Tiffany Justice is the new President of Heritage Action, the nation's largest pro-American student organization. She is also the Co-Founder of Moms for Liberty, a hate group that has been labeled by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a "Hate Group."
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00:01:26.000But first, we have a little bit of housekeeping because we have a very special guest that joined us.
00:01:34.000But you have brought a very special guest with us.
00:01:36.000So why don't you introduce Tiffany for us?
00:01:39.000Yeah, we have the head of everything political over at Heritage, Heritage Action.
00:01:44.000So those of you that know Heritage Foundation, probably one of the longest standing brands within the conservative movement that was loved, beloved by President Reagan, that was beloved by Rush Limbaugh, that obviously is great partner.
00:01:59.000They've had action for many, many years, but the new leader is Tiffany Justice, who is here with us on campus today.
00:02:06.000And we're just working through all the things.
00:02:59.000Yeah, really excited to join Heritage and to inspire by the work that you guys do at Turning Point Action, right?
00:03:05.000A lot of federal lobbying that Heritage Action has done, some state lobbying that they've done since 2019, but really expanding the portfolio now and making sure that we're getting out the vote.
00:03:15.000Americans want to be empowered to take our country back.
00:03:18.000So excited to kind of emulate some of what Turning Point Action has done across the country at Heritage Action.
00:03:23.000And that's what's really critical is everyone has to be focused on nothing will matter.
00:03:27.000Nothing will get done if we don't get out the vote and actually win.
00:03:30.000As we saw last Tuesday when we had some dramatic losses because not enough GO TV was done on our side in specific states where we don't necessarily operate full-time, but those are places that need a lot of help.
00:03:44.000Yeah, blown away by the amount of money that Democrats spent in the House of Delegate Races in Virginia, like 68 million to Republicans 25.
00:03:51.000So something has to change and Heritage Action is going to help to try to change it.
00:03:54.000And a lot of people, like on a very basic level, I think our audience would get this, but you know, if you're kind of a normie, you're just out there, you're not really political, understanding the difference between a C3 and like a C4, for example, Turning Point USA, C3.
00:04:08.000So a lot of people will just say Turning Point USA, assuming that it covers all the bases.
00:04:13.000But Turning Point Action is where we do our ballot chasing.
00:04:17.000It's where we do our scorecards, where we endorse candidates.
00:04:20.000It's completely different and separate from Turning Point USA.
00:04:24.000Yeah, I mean, I would say about Heritage and Foundation in Action.
00:04:27.000I think of the Heritage Foundation as like the chef that makes a beautiful meal, all these amazing policies that they write over at Heritage Foundation.
00:04:33.000But if you don't have power, if you're not winning elections and that's how you get power, then you can't put any of the policies into place.
00:06:09.000I also encourage knowing what went into the revolution.
00:06:13.000I've advocated for Albion's seat on this show before.
00:06:15.000That's kind of about the different groups of people who settled America in the colonial period from England.
00:06:22.000They were very different groups, and they shaped America.
00:06:25.000For the revolution itself, one that I liked, it came out around 1990, and it was the radicalism of the American Revolution.
00:06:33.000And obviously, as conservatives, we like the revolution, yet we also have to admit it is like it was a very radical, it was a revolution.
00:06:42.000It basically toppled a monarchical government.
00:06:44.000It installed the first major kind of, you know, Charlie hates the word democracy, but we founded democratic-ish governments in a lot of these states.
00:06:52.000And that hadn't been seen in the West for 2,000 years.
00:06:58.000And there was stuff going on during the revolution where they were just, you know, you'd overthrow your royal governor and have this super radical state constitution, which now these constitutions would seem conservative to us if we still have them.
00:07:11.000But for the time, hugely, hugely, I'm looking at my list here.
00:07:19.000Another thing, just for the war itself, Empire of Liberty was like, I think the either Oxford or Cambridge History of the United States, it's a whole big series.
00:07:27.000But their book on the American Revolution is like a just decent one on the actual revolutionary period.
00:07:33.000I think The Glorious Cause is also their book about the war itself.
00:07:42.000If you're a big Tory, some people really like, there's like old, like extremely conservative books that argue the revolution was a mistake and the loyalists should have won.
00:08:01.000I think one of the things, and we talk about this all the time, I actually talked about this with Charlie a lot behind closed doors, was that there isn't enough education around the anti-Federalist papers.
00:08:10.000So one of the things that I would say that is a huge mistake that conservatives make is they there's a lot of books written about the Federalist Papers.
00:08:19.000There's a lot of books that comment on the Federalist Papers, the authors, many heroes of the Revolution.
00:08:26.000There are many heroes that were the writers behind the names in the anti-Federalist papers.
00:08:31.000There's not actually a ton of books written on commentary in the anti-Federalist papers, but they really shape what the arguments for and against, which there are many good arguments that were made about the mistakes and potential pitfalls of a federal government that were made by the anti-Federalists at that time.
00:08:49.000And they're not really complicated, although there's some simplified versions of books that say, here's a simplified way to explain the arguments that are made in the anti-federalist papers, especially Patrick Henry and so on.
00:09:01.000I cannot encourage enough, especially young people, to also study anti-Federalist literature, especially in private schools, charter schools, public school teachers that are teaching.
00:09:13.000They just gloss over or they don't even comment on any of these things at all.
00:09:18.000And there's a lot of really important subjects that are in there that are discussed that frame a lot of the problems that we see today.
00:09:26.000I just remembered one that was very funny because you mentioned the anti-federalists.
00:09:30.000There's a book, it's a bit later than the era you're asking about, but I like it.
00:09:34.000It's called Fears of a Setting Sun: The Disillusionment of America's Founders.
00:09:39.000And it's just, it's an interesting one to read because if you read it, it turns out if you look at the founders in 1805, they're all blackpilled.
00:09:53.000They think it's not going to work out.
00:09:54.000That's some great perspective to have because these great men who we know they founded this tremendous country that had so much success, they were blackpilled.
00:10:04.000And so if they, you know, if their country got through that era where they thought it was so terrible, we can get through periods that we think are terrible too.
00:12:18.000So Tyler has actually been working with them.
00:12:20.000Well, I've talked to a number of individuals, and there's some just like we have, and just for our Americans that are at home, just like we have some good Republicans.
00:12:29.000There are good Republicans and there are bad Republicans and the party's broad-based.
00:12:34.000There's some good conservatives, Conservative Party leaders and better Conservative Party leaders that we see across Canada that I think are leaning more towards the things that we like.
00:12:46.000I can't speak highly enough of Danielle Smith, although I'm sure Canadians have different, varying opinions.
00:12:53.000I mean, Danielle Smith, I think, actually cares enough so much that she has been in contact, the Premier of Alberta, which to put into kind of conceptually is kind of like all-encompassing senator for slash governor almost for Canada for their individual areas.
00:13:13.000And so she has been an incredible supporter of what we do at Turning Point and has been at the forefront of having conversations to represent, I think, the more conservative wing from an elected position.
00:13:25.000And I know that there are a great number of individuals who have engaged with the Conservative Party in Saskatchewan that have done a great job.
00:13:34.000And I think those two nation states within Canada, Alberta and Saskatchewan are the future.
00:13:41.000And I think that the Conservative Party, my opinion is this, is that if the Conservative Party were smart, they would consolidate their efforts into those two areas and then spend time with the Conservative activists to grow from there and really wield power,
00:13:58.000as we talk about power, against the establishment to try to actually expand their talking points that I think are more successful, which again, Canada combated the complete shutdown of their country during COVID.
00:14:12.000It was like the worst parts of the United States, just to put it in perspective.
00:14:16.000And I'm sure you have some opinions on that, Sarah.
00:14:19.000And there's a number of other different things that obviously happen at the governmental level, the policy level that are terrible that most of the resource-driven individuals that live in the central parts of Canada disagree with, particularly on the oil and the oil basin that exists within Alberta.
00:14:36.000There's a lot of oil, by the way, in Canada.
00:14:52.000I would say to any conservative movement across the Western world is if you are not tapping into the populist energy of your party, you're going to miss the boat.
00:15:01.000That's where, Sarah, I'm sure that you probably find yourself more about a strong nation, probably limited immigration.
00:15:10.000Those are the taproots of energy when it comes to conservative activists.
00:15:15.000And if you're not going there because you're afraid that it's, you know, the country's not ready for it, I would just say look at France.
00:15:22.000Look at what do we, we've got the Netherlands, look at the UK, what's happening in the UK right now.
00:15:26.000The UK is so buttoned up, it makes Canada look like a third world backwater or something.
00:15:34.000I mean, that's just the way the UK is.
00:15:36.000And yet, Nigel Farage and reform is rising in the polling, rising in the ranks.
00:15:42.000And Canada needs to follow that, not be afraid.
00:15:44.000The conservative movement needs to embrace the populist energy that's happening because you're either going to go populist left or populist right right now.
00:15:51.000The whole entire Western world is either going to go one way or the other.
00:15:54.000If you are shunning that side of your party, icing them out, you're going to miss the activist energy.
00:15:59.000All right, Tyler, why don't you close this up?
00:16:01.000So I'll close this by saying this is the biggest missed opportunity: whether you're in Canada or the UK or the United States, it doesn't really matter anywhere in the Western world.
00:16:09.000If you are not identifying the voters and chasing votes, you're not going to be able to, again, we talk about power.
00:16:15.000This is part of the reason why I wanted Tiffany on here right with us: that power is consolidated in what you can do with it.
00:16:21.000The big missed opportunity of this last election cycle, similar to what we just saw that happened to us in the United States, is in Canada, there was like this energy flux, expectation to win, and then Pierre lost his own election.
00:16:51.000If you do not have the tools, you do not have the resources, you do not consolidate, and I completely agree with you around populist messaging, the energy, the ideas that get people up off the couch and out of their seats to actually win, you're not going to win any place.
00:17:06.000Yeah, Pierre wasn't able to get people to get behind him.
00:17:09.000I mean, there was a huge pushback against a lot of the trans stuff that was happening.
00:17:12.000If Pierre had really embraced it and spoken to his customers, the voters, and said, I'm going to push back against this, I think he would have done better.
00:17:18.000And he didn't have the ground troops to actually win.
00:17:19.000And he didn't have the ground troops to win.
00:17:21.000I want to weigh in real quick on this, just because I follow a lot of Canadian politics.
00:17:27.000I follow too many countries' politics.
00:17:29.000So the Canadian Conservative Party, in general, I like to sum it up for people in the U.S. is it's like it's like a conservative party that just cut all social conservative questions out of itself.
00:17:41.000Like social conservatives exist in Canada, but they have zero, zero political influence at all.
00:17:47.000Like what I like to point to, I would talk to Charlie about this, is in Canada, they have no pro-life movement.
00:17:53.000There's no restrictions on abortion at all.
00:17:55.000You can get abortion pretty much until birth.
00:17:58.000Like a fetus just has no legal existence whatsoever until it is born in Canada.
00:18:04.000It's basically them and North Korea on that front.
00:18:07.000And that's kind of a good symbol for how Canada approaches all of those questions.
00:18:12.000And, you know, the argument would be, well, this makes them more electable.
00:18:17.000So what you've had with the Conservative Party of Canada is they thought, okay, if we're liberal on all social questions and basically pro-immigration as well, like, I guess you can be more electable.
00:18:29.000And they had a conservative prime minister before Trudeau.
00:18:33.000But now, like, the country has changed to the point where, honestly, I look at Canada and I wonder what its future as a country is.
00:18:40.000Their level of immigration the last five years has been way above ours, basically the highest of pretty much any large country in human history in terms of how many people they brought in.
00:18:51.000It's actually messed up the country in a lot of ways.
00:18:54.000Their economy has gotten really messed up where problems we have in the U.S., where housing prices are going up too much, much worse in Canada, even though they have nothing but space.
00:19:05.000They've really mangled the country in a lot of ways.
00:19:07.000And I think the Conservative Party of Canada has some responsibility for that.
00:19:11.000But it's a weird country in a lot of ways.
00:19:14.000I could do a whole hour on all the ways Canada is bizarre.
00:19:42.000And I actually think that one of the unique things that President Trump has done is by putting pressure on Canada actually helps, I think, long-term drive conservatives together.
00:19:52.000Well, maybe long-term, but the short term was that I don't think he helped Pierre's political Pierre wasn't ready for it, right?
00:20:00.000President Trump threw a Hail Mary pass down the field in a Hail Mary situation for Pierre because clearly Pierre wasn't competent enough to win his own election.
00:20:09.000So it's like, President Trump, hold on.
00:20:12.000I'm going to push back on that one, Tyler.
00:20:15.000I think Pierre was going to win that election, and then Trump kind of went on his Annex Canada digression.
00:20:21.000And the truth is, Canada's national identity for a lot of people is being not America or being America, but more liberal.
00:20:29.000And that was, I don't think we had a shot after that.
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00:23:23.000What I'm concerned about is I've been noticing this week, and you've talked about it.
00:23:27.000I've heard it on other podcasts, that there are some things that I think are fair to say that the White House has been making missteps with the base and the younger viewers in particular.
00:23:38.000And I think that really shows Charlie's absence because I feel like he would have had some influence on it and he could have conveyed the base, you know, kind of the way he did with the Epstein thing.
00:23:49.000He could have conveyed the base's position and perhaps been listened to.
00:23:53.000And I'm wondering what TPUSA feels that it can do without Charlie and what it is doing to continue his influence with the White House and Congress to explain what, you know, what the base and the younger voters want.
00:24:09.000And I'm also wondering who TPUSA feels it has and who the government has to speak to the youth vote and successfully convey that to the government.
00:24:34.000Because we flooded the country with 30 million illegal immigrants who were taking houses that ought by right go to American citizens.
00:24:42.000And at the same time, we weren't building enough new houses to begin with, even for the population that we had.
00:24:48.000So what we're doing is trying to make it easier to build houses, trying to make it easier to build factories and things like that so that people have good jobs.
00:24:55.000We're also getting all of those illegal aliens out of our country.
00:24:59.000And you're already seeing it start to pay some dividends.
00:25:03.000So, and love your question because it also is my question every single week is what can the administration do for young people now that Charlie is gone because Charlie is our biggest advocate.
00:25:13.000And I think JD Vance has been kind of the mouthpiece for that in honoring Charlie, both in that interview that he just did, but also looking back to Ole Miss just a couple weeks ago with Vice President Vance and Erica Kirk, too.
00:25:27.000And at turning point, we're continuing the work.
00:25:30.000But the biggest thing, and Charlie said this all the time, we talked about in hour one of today's show, is the biggest thing to help young people in the short term is deportations to drive H1B.
00:25:43.000And so JD Vance understood everything that Charlie stood for when it came to young people.
00:25:48.000And I think he's doing it pretty incredible.
00:25:49.000Yeah, JD has stepped up in a huge way to be that.
00:25:52.000And I think a lot of people, we had Chris Ruffo on last week who was saying that JD is basically the guy that can really, you know, do that.
00:26:01.000He can sort of, you know, unite some of these warring factions within the conservative movement.
00:26:24.000However, two days later, Kash Patel says, oh, we've just struck a deal with the Chinese Communist Party to stop all these precursors to fentanyl coming in the country, which, by the way, if you really care about young people, you want to make sure that 100,000 young people every year aren't dying of fentanyl overdoses.
00:26:40.000And so you got to, I really do believe that we have to trust a couple things here.
00:26:44.000And Charlie would have said the same thing.
00:26:46.000He said the same thing when we were bombing Iran, right?
00:26:51.000I believe that he's got the best interests at heart of the United States and for our people.
00:26:55.000And that includes young people, but he's got a lot of competing interests.
00:26:58.000So we have to keep yelling and screaming and making our voices heard.
00:27:02.000And I just want to tell you one last thing here is a lot of those relationships that Charlie was so good at within the admin, within the conservative movement, working and talking to and texting and all this back channeling stuff that was happening.
00:27:16.000I will just tell you that a lot of those people, when Charlie was assassinated, they ended up coming to a lot of us.
00:27:23.000And I know Tyler's in comms with a bunch of them.
00:27:28.000And so those relationships, excuse me, those relationships remain intact in some really important ways.
00:27:33.000And we're certainly still making our voices heard.
00:27:37.000And we're still making sure that the things that Charlie was fighting for, this Gen Z economic moonshot, this revival for the economics of young people, making sure that they have a stake in the American dream, those conversations are still going.
00:27:49.000And one last thing: when you talk about deportations, all this stuff, you got to understand we are climbing out of a hole that's very, very deep.
00:28:57.000Now you have modern monetary theory, which is a somewhat, well, it's very modern.
00:29:02.000We can say that you can just print money forever and there's actually no downside to it.
00:29:07.000All I will say is there are many countries that have attempted that, and I don't know of any that have gotten away with it.
00:29:13.000And I want to remind everyone too: I don't know if we've done a good enough job of this, and I don't know if the administration has done enough of this.
00:29:20.000They need all of our help to say, remember when we were coming into the Trump administration, that the word on the street was that we were heading into a massive recession, the biggest one since the Obama recession, and that that was going to happen, and the entire economy was going to crash, that the stock market was going to crash.
00:29:38.000Remember all this that was happening at the beginning of last year?
00:29:42.000And we have to give credit where credit's due is that the Trump administration stabilized that situation.
00:29:48.000And of course, we still have massive problems for young people on how affordability is going to look for the next two decades.
00:29:58.000The question you have to ask yourself is: Trump, are you going to trust the Trump administration turn into maybe a JD Vance administration to fix that?
00:30:05.000Are you going to trust more of the Joe Biden-style policies and Gabo Newsome and Mom Donnie to do that for you?
00:30:12.000We just have to make that pitch very clear.
00:30:14.000We have a new clip here, apparently, 388.
00:30:18.000The White House wants to cut a bunch of red tape, especially the kind that holds up houses from being built.
00:30:24.000With the argument being that the current housing inventory has been flooded for several years with illegal immigrants, new houses plus deportations could free up a lot of existing homes and apartments, according to Vice President Vance.
00:30:51.000Yeah, and I just want to say the most important thing that we can do for young people in America is to empower them to vote and to get their friends to vote.
00:30:58.000I mean, you know, and to run for office, right?
00:31:00.000I mean, that is truly how long term we're going to be able to have better policies for the future of families in America.
00:31:37.000If you haven't heard about it, the USS Liberty was an incident in the late 1960s where it was a kind of U.S. like spy ship, sort of a signal monitoring ship.
00:31:48.000It would sit in international waters and it would monitor communications.
00:31:52.000And during the six-day war between Israel and its Arab neighbors, it was near Israel and Egypt monitoring the situation.
00:31:59.000And it gets attacked by Israeli fighter jets.
00:32:02.000It's strafed, and I think it's hit by a few bombs or torpedoes.
00:32:07.000And about 30, I think 34 U.S. sailors actually are killed.
00:32:53.000I guess what I would say is I don't know why it wouldn't be an accident.
00:32:58.000It wouldn't make a lot of sense for Israel to just bomb an American ship as a hostile act just because I've never understood the argument that it would be intentional.
00:33:08.000And I would add, sorry, let me continue.
00:33:11.000And so on top of that, like they paid us, I'm looking here, in 1968, they paid out $3 million in compensation.
00:33:21.000In 1969, another year later, they gave another $3 million in compensation.
00:33:25.000And then they paid $6 million in 1980.
00:33:27.000Those don't sound like a lot today, but we've had a lot of inflation since then.
00:33:31.000So it's actually almost $100 million that we got in terms of payouts related to that.
00:33:38.000So it's not like they just ignored it.
00:33:40.000It's not like they covered up that it ever happened.
00:33:43.000There were major payouts to the people affected by this.
00:33:46.000And just in the end, it was an event that happened 60 years ago.
00:33:51.000It is not a guiding thing to how we should conduct our foreign policy today.
00:33:55.000We're friends with, like, we're pretty close friends with Vietnam, and we went and lost that war to them, you know, around the same time.
00:34:03.000And it's just, it's brought up a lot because people want a justification to dislike Israel and to fan, frankly, anti-Semitism.
00:34:31.000Did you have something to add, Tiffany?
00:34:32.000No, I think it was an interesting question.
00:34:34.000I guess I would ask why the question was asked in the first, like, what's the problem?
00:34:36.000Yeah, I didn't realize people were talking about it again.
00:34:38.000I've definitely heard other people bring it up throughout the years.
00:34:42.000I will say one interesting thing is that Dennis Prager actually wrote a letter and he was kind of going through some of the claims made about Israel.
00:34:51.000And I think he was trying to kind of deal with it in a very rational way.
00:34:55.000And so this was a letter that he wrote before he got injured in October 2024.
00:35:01.000And he basically explained that his position had changed.
00:35:04.000He mentions that terrible mistakes happen in every war.
00:35:07.000And initially, he thought the Liberty attack might have been another one of those mistakes.
00:35:11.000However, he is now, quote, persuaded that the strike on the Liberty was probably deliberate.
00:35:16.000He states in that letter that the attack, quote, if everything said about the attack on the Liberty is true, it appears to him been a criminal war crime.
00:35:23.000And he expressed frustration that he doesn't understand why both the American and Israeli governments covered it up at the time and have never since explained why it happened.
00:35:31.000Now, that POV differs from a lot of the official narratives, but that's coming from Dennis Brager, who is about as Jewish as it gets.
00:35:41.000And so I'm just saying, to Blake's other point, you know, it was 60 years ago.
00:35:45.000Why does it have to be a guiding light about how we conduct ourselves now?
00:35:50.000And if even Dennis Breger, who is, you know, like I said, hard-carrying Jewish guy, written the books of the Torah, the five books of the Torah, I think he's writing his fifth commentary on even now from being bedridden.
00:37:51.000Can't even begin to imagine what the challenges have been like.
00:37:56.000I have to think it's much like the disciples questioning God's timing when Jesus left them.
00:38:04.000And yet they picked up the ball, built on the foundation, and here we are 2,000 years later with millions and billions in the kingdom of God because of what they did.
00:38:17.000And you guys are like, Thank you, Avery.
00:38:22.000I wanted to ask, I know this election last week is I don't think you can really take that much from it, but to some extent, it is obviously a little discouraging.
00:38:37.000I'm one that wants us to win everything.
00:38:45.000But so we've got 2026 coming up, and TPUSA and TPUSA action, in my opinion, gave us the wind for 2024.
00:39:01.000I know others have played a vital role, but what you guys did, Tyler, was just incredible.
00:39:12.000What I need to hear today is some encouragement that um, there's a a good plan being uh put in place to hopefully maybe mobilize this tremendous army with all of the new TP USA chapters and yeah, everything else that is going to give us a victory that we
00:39:45.000Otherwise MAGA and Trump is going to have a lambda to those last two years and we can't afford that.
00:39:55.000Do you want to address Avery's concerns?
00:39:56.000Yeah, so Avery, first off, thank you for that and thank you for the support.
00:40:00.000I mean, obviously for the entire audience, the power behind the Charlie Kirk show was that we were able to mobilize tens of thousands of people, really hundreds of thousands of people, maybe millions, if you look at our TikTok and everything else to help change the narrative, change the game for 2024.
00:40:18.000Actually, that's why we're so excited that Tiffany's here with us on campus.
00:40:21.000I mean, I can literally showcase to you the work that we're doing right now, not just for 2026, but 2028, 2030, 2032, is we're talking about everything 10 years out and working our way backwards, working with the biggest and most impactful organizations across the country to be able to put the boots on the ground where we need them in the right places.
00:40:41.000And this is the biggest problem, the challenge that we've talked about.
00:40:43.000Charlie talked about this incessantly.
00:40:45.000And we will start talking about this a lot more this year now that the clock is ticking through 2026, is we're going to be talking about just the same way that Charlie was talking about all last year of how the right has not done a good enough job at organizing bodies and putting people where we need them most impactfully, start to finish across the country.
00:41:08.000And so the thing that we've been discussing all morning, and I will be into the late evening here as we work with Tiffany, is that we have a place to go and strategic targets that matter the most.
00:41:22.000And I don't know if you want to talk a little bit about that, Tiffany, about kind of the focuses and bringing people together.
00:41:28.000Yeah, I'm just so excited to work with Turning Point Action.
00:41:30.000I think you're right that Turning Point was a huge, was the factor that helped us to win in 24 and helped put President Trump in the White House.
00:41:38.000And so at Heritage Action, as I said, we do a lot of federal work, a lot of state work.
00:41:56.000When we started in this space, and Tyler can attest, it was like dog eat dog.
00:42:01.000They didn't want us getting in, invading their terrain.
00:42:04.000They were worried about donors, all this stuff.
00:42:06.000So to have Heritage Action and Turning Point Action cooperating on this is just like such a huge advancement in the space.
00:42:14.000I just want to give you guys both credit for that.
00:42:16.000And what I've seen just from my limited time in politics from a mom before, so I'm in it for the right reasons, is the fact that there are a lot of people that get involved and suck money out of the ecosphere of politics.
00:42:25.000And, you know, we're here to invest in the American people and making sure that we're getting, as Tyler says all the time, more paper into the ballot box.
00:42:33.000And that's the one piece that is probably most impactful is that if we can just by two or three or four percentage points, make the conservative movement more impactful with every dollar that's spent and get that out to GO TV, get out the vote operations, chasing ballots, then you win significantly.
00:42:51.000I mean, we're not talking three or four percent more elections.
00:42:53.000We're talking about 30 or 40 percent more elections.
00:43:40.000I think this is actually a better blade question.
00:43:42.000Truthfully, guys, I don't even have a definition for Zionism.
00:43:47.000Yeah, it's can I give just a religious background as being like the most targeted person, probably against the most recent conspiracy theories and stuff.
00:43:59.000There is a significant amount of Christians within Christendom that believe that in the Bible, there is an importance with Zionism as it pertains to the second coming of Jesus.
00:44:14.000There are a lot of religious Zionists that study religious Zionism, which is different than status Zionism.
00:44:22.000And there are a lot of, there's a ton of in-between that goes between this.
00:44:29.000That's the way that I think Charlie would actually lean into and start describing this conversation.
00:44:36.000It makes it, it's kind of unfair because I think a lot of people attack people for being Zionists that are theological Zionists that believe in the second coming and what the gathering of Israel, as members of my church talk about, that talk about the lost 10 tribes, how that impacts and is talked about things that are in the New Testament.
00:44:58.000And that's really important to, again, Jesus coming back.
00:45:02.000And it actually puts a really awkward position for a lot of people who are theologians that talk about Zionism that generally believe how important that is versus, again, the statistical idea of establishing the state of Israel.
00:45:15.000Now, that's not to say that people don't believe that the state of Israel is really important to that theological position.
00:45:22.000It just is never really discussed when people are lobbying back and forth this idea of Christian Zionism and why that's impactful.
00:45:30.000And no one, not very many people that I've seen, have adequately spoken to that issue in a way that's really important for people to understand the actual debate.
00:45:39.000You can have disagreements with the state of Israel while also supporting the theological idea of Zionism and the second coming of Jesus Christ.
00:45:49.000And that's to me where my position is and how I've described and explained it.
00:45:53.000But you never hear that debate for the most part on social media.
00:45:57.000It's back and forth lobbying, you know, hurls of that end up being people accusing people of being anti-Semitic or vice versa, the other side of being overly pro-Zionist or pro-you know, Israel first is the new thing or mega, make Israel great again type stuff.
00:46:15.000And that, and again, it's missing the whole point where there's a theological argument.
00:46:22.000So just the original question is just what is Christian Zionism?
00:46:26.000So Zionism, what it in its simplest term means is Zionism is support for having a homeland for Jewish people in the historic ancient land of the Jews.
00:46:43.000So Israel, basically, Palestine, whatever you want to call it.
00:46:50.000Now, that has manifested as specifically the state of Israel for a variety of events, but it was originally just created as let us settle there and sort of the political stuff evolved out of that.
00:47:02.000So in the present day, Christian Zionism would basically be supporting Jewish people having a homeland in the Holy Land.
00:47:14.000There's a bunch of different reasons Jews supported it because there are religious Jews who believe that the return to Israel is a religious commandment.
00:47:23.000It's a manifestation of God's will for them.
00:47:25.000There are non-religious Jews who just support it for secular reasons.
00:47:29.000They believe that the Jewish people should have a homeland to get away from anti-Semitism, to just have a homeland because nations should have homelands, things like that.
00:47:43.000So a common one we heard on the show was just there's lines in the Bible, you know, the Lord will bless those who bless Israel.
00:47:51.000And so they would transmute that to today with the Jewish people and the state that they have, Christians should support it the same way they should support Christian peoples.
00:48:01.000There's also, as Tyler mentioned, some believe there's an eschatological element related to the end of the world, that like Israel existing will fulfill requirements for the end times.
00:48:12.000I will say I hear about that reason a lot more from people who don't like Israel than I actually hear about it from other evangelical Zionists.
00:48:27.000But I don't feel for the average Christian Zionist that's really the thing driving it.
00:48:32.000And then another thing is just some people support it for like ordinary political reasons.
00:48:36.000An argument I gave to Charlie, one of the best reasons to support Israel is just they are a like Western, modern, democratic, fundamentally culturally European country that is constantly surrounded and under attack by violent third world Islamism.
00:48:56.000And those third world Islamists, Hamas, the people who would go door to door murdering people in Israel would also be happy to go door to door murdering people in Vienna or in London or in Washington, D.C.
00:49:07.000And a lot of left-wingers would seal clap about how much they love that if they saw that happening.
00:49:12.000And so a reason to support them would just be: okay, we oppose third world Islamism, and so we would support a nation that is under attack by it.
00:50:03.000Christian Zionism is a term I never even really heard before recently, which is something, I mean, I'd heard of Zionism certainly, but now it's sort of, you said, hurled insults back and forth.
00:50:13.000I think it's a term that's been hurled a lot more lately.
00:50:16.000Well, it's important to understand, too, the left is using that term to attack the right.
00:50:22.000And so when people on our side adopt it, like even a huge tiny minority adopt that, they're actually helping, again, the left is really good at phraseologies.
00:50:35.000They did this, like it was Christian nationalism, remember?
00:50:38.000And now it's Christian Zionism as part of that.
00:50:41.000And that's actually coming from a little bit of a more radicalized side on their side that the moderate Democrats are trying to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't attack in that way because they're actually bleeding a ton of members of the Jewish faith.
00:50:54.000And again, part of this is that you have a number of individuals who are Jewish that are now becoming more Republican, becoming more conservative.
00:51:02.000We're seeing this broad base across the country.
00:51:05.000And that really starts to impact states like New Jersey and other places.
00:51:10.000And so it is wholly politically, forget everything else other than what we know about the left is when they brand people certain ways and they utilize these terms, it's for their own benefit.
00:51:21.000And helping the left do that is wholly politically stupid.
00:51:28.000Especially when, you know, again, I don't think the Israel issue is on the minds of most Americans.
00:51:35.000Like we're talking about this this week, especially about young people.
00:51:38.000It's not on the minds of, it's not your top three issues.
00:51:41.000Your top three issues right now is focus on America first, which is putting food on the table, paying your rent/slash mortgage, and where are my kids going to go to school and are they going to be protected from criminals?
00:51:53.000Yeah, there is no doubt that the left has very much enjoyed the fractures and the division that they're seeing on the right.
00:51:59.000And if we could all work as hard on elections and getting the vote out as we do and fighting with each other, we would be a bunch of people.
00:52:07.000Let's focus our energies on winning elections.
00:52:10.000Listen, sometimes you got to have these debates.
00:52:11.000Sometimes you got to have them out in the open.
00:52:13.000And I think at the end of this debate, I hope that we end up in a stronger, more unified place.
00:52:18.000And hopefully, listen, coalitions, they shift and they morph and they change over time.
00:52:23.000And sometimes that comes through important debates.
00:52:25.000And so I'm not afraid of the debate, but I do hope, to Tiffany's point, that we can really focus our attention moving forward on winning.
00:52:33.000And this is the benefit that's coming out of all this is like Christianity is, and people rediscovering their faith is huge.
00:52:41.000And so people trying to take away from that with issues that are sub-issues, again, I don't think are as helpful.
00:52:47.000And again, there's a lot of fracturing within the Christian.
00:52:51.000I mean, I think this is really at its core where the fight exists is that people that believe different things within different Christian sects.
00:52:59.000And it's like, that is, that has always been a battle in America.
00:53:04.000America has been known as the place where, you know, different elements of Christian faiths have fought it out and they've had their differences, but then they've come together and they've respected one another and they've built society that's the best society in the world.
00:53:20.000And so, again, we cannot allow the differences in opinions, even within our own core faith systems, to fracture us.
00:53:32.000I think that the argument that is being made by a lot of people is like, hey, we can have mutual respect for one another that we disagree on a lot of things faith-based.
00:53:55.000That is a really important part to what makes us successful.
00:53:58.000Focus on building things that are positive within your own faith-based core and show others why your faith is the most, the things that you believe are the most important.
00:54:09.000And maybe take a page from the left in 2004, Jared Polis and the blueprint and say, let's check some of these issues at the door and understand that winning is the most important thing that we can do in order to take our country back.
00:54:20.000You're not going to take your country back if you disagree.