The Charlie Kirk Show - August 29, 2020


Awake Not 'Woke' Christianity with Pastor David Engelhardt


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Pastor David Englehart from King's Church in New York City joins us to talk about what it means to be a Woke Christian in the 21st century, and why it's important to be woke in the church.

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00:00:08.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:09.000 Happy Saturday.
00:00:10.000 What a big week.
00:00:11.000 I'm excited to share with you a phenomenal conversation I had with Pastor David Engelhart from King's Church in New York City.
00:00:19.000 We talk about woke Christianity, what's going on right now in America's churches and so much more.
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00:00:39.000 Pastor David Engelhart is here, everybody.
00:00:41.000 Buckle up.
00:00:42.000 Here we go.
00:00:44.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:46.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:48.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:51.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:55.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:56.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:57.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:05.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:01:17.000 Hey, everybody.
00:01:18.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show. 0.95
00:01:20.000 Super thrilled to have with me David Engelhart in the Belly of the Beast, you could say, in New York City, fighting for Christianity.
00:01:27.000 His church is scheduled to open very, very soon.
00:01:31.000 And David, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:34.000 Tell us a little about what you've been going through, and then I want to dive into just some of the kind of, let's say, more interesting topics of woke Christianity.
00:01:42.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:44.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:01:45.000 Appreciate you having me on.
00:01:47.000 Certainly an honor to be here.
00:01:48.000 Absolutely loved your speech at the RNC.
00:01:51.000 Thank you.
00:01:52.000 Especially the statement of Trump is really being a defender of Western civilization.
00:01:58.000 And we know Christianity is a central part of that.
00:02:01.000 And so, man, I'm just so encouraged by what you're doing through Turning Point and really was encouraged by your speech.
00:02:07.000 So me, I'm a New York City lawyer pastor.
00:02:10.000 I pastored for, I was in ministry for about 10 years before I went to law school.
00:02:15.000 And I have a law practice here in the Trump building on Wall Street.
00:02:18.000 And I have a church just a few blocks away, a church plant that is just a couple of years new.
00:02:25.000 And so we've been living this life that is both engaged in culture and also engaged in faith and attempting to bring our faith into culture in a significant way, which is why thematically our church is called King's Church, because we believe that we don't just have a priestly role like this Sunday morning, I'm praying, you know, I'm bowing.
00:02:44.000 All those things are essential and important, but there's also a kingly role to engage in culture, to be salt and life as Jesus called us to and not hide our Christianity just in private because we know Christ was a public figure.
00:02:59.000 He wasn't a private figure.
00:03:00.000 He's a fact, right?
00:03:01.000 His resurrection is a fact.
00:03:03.000 And to bring all of those things and encourage people to do, to speak about that, like you've been really doing, frankly, over the last couple of years, really encouraging Christian.
00:03:11.000 And I know me and a lot of my pastor friends have been emboldened by your encouragement, even over the past few months.
00:03:17.000 So I appreciate that too.
00:03:18.000 Thank you.
00:03:19.000 Yeah, thank you.
00:03:20.000 So you have some opinions and some perspective on Christianity when it comes to BLM Incorporated.
00:03:25.000 A lot of the biggest churches in New York City, I'm not going to say any names, they have been embracing BLM Incorporated.
00:03:31.000 They've been mobilizing their congregation towards that.
00:03:33.000 It's not just New York City, it's all across the country.
00:03:36.000 Do you think that what BLM is espousing, do you think that's consistent with Christian theology?
00:03:44.000 Yeah, let me answer that two ways.
00:03:45.000 The first way is let me just say that I just think it's honorable that you wouldn't call out churches specific or pastor specific, right?
00:03:53.000 Because we have this kind of hierarchical thing in Christianity, where if you're not a pastor, you don't call out pastors.
00:03:58.000 But we have the opposite in Galatians chapter 1, 2, 3, that Peter, excuse me, that Paul says to Peter, listen, I'm going to specifically call you out for publicly disparaging the truth.
00:04:11.000 And actually, if you read the book of Galatians, what Paul is doing, he's saying, you're creating divisions in the body of Christ right now.
00:04:19.000 You're saying there's this one caste, the Jewish people, and that's kind of the higher caste. 0.52
00:04:23.000 And then you have this lower caste. 0.87
00:04:24.000 That's what I see is happening with the Black Lives Matter movement: they're literally creating a new caste system. 0.98
00:04:31.000 And there are certain acts that you do that are acts of penitence or acts of sanctification. 1.00
00:04:37.000 They're symbolic acts that make you righteous according to a secular model, an educational model.
00:04:44.000 And that's been picked up by all kinds of churches in New York City, Hillsong, and all of these kind of four-corner churches.
00:04:51.000 And you have pastors like Carl Lentz literally saying that the church of Jesus Christ is one of the greatest propagators of racism in the United States.
00:05:00.000 He said it last week in public.
00:05:02.000 Now, I don't want to call out the private sin of an individual.
00:05:05.000 We don't do that.
00:05:06.000 But when you're publicly saying that the church of Jesus Christ is one of the greatest propagators of racism, it's just fundamentally flawed.
00:05:13.000 I mean, it is the church that instigated the abolition movement.
00:05:17.000 It is the church that is the reconciliation factor of the world.
00:05:21.000 And this is the kind of craziness that Paul was going, really, if you read Galatians, ballistic about, because he was seeing this massive division in the body of Christ.
00:05:31.000 So, yeah, I mean, listen, destruction of the nuclear family, right?
00:05:36.000 Pro, all of sexual progressivism, really anti-West. 0.77
00:05:41.000 How can any of those precepts be pro-Christianity?
00:05:44.000 I just, it's maddening. 1.00
00:05:46.000 Yeah, it's just, I had to look it up myself.
00:05:48.000 That's why I was just peeking at my phone really quick.
00:05:50.000 And I'm going to text Carl.
00:05:52.000 I'm going to just call him out and say this is pathologically untrue.
00:05:54.000 I try to do these things privately, and I am not a minister.
00:05:58.000 I'm not a pastor.
00:05:59.000 So I just call out these pastors that, and I don't want to say I know what drives them, but I can suspect some of them, they're part of this whole kind of feel-good Christianity, kind of comfortable Christianity kind of posture.
00:06:11.000 And I want to applaud you for standing out against this.
00:06:14.000 And I know there's a cost to that, but you'll be rewarded ritually and otherwise, both now and in the future.
00:06:21.000 But what I find to be really troubling is how theologically just baseless it is to even focus.
00:06:29.000 First of all, the church has been the ambassador for goodness and the creator of Western civilization, the idea of e pluribus unum, liberty, who is the liberty giver, God, Christ.
00:06:38.000 The entire civilization we live in that has been created around the idea of natural rights is from the Bible.
00:06:43.000 And so for a pastor to say something like that is just so incredibly pathologically untrue.
00:06:48.000 It's hard to even be able to have that as a starting point.
00:06:52.000 Additionally, where exactly I want to find the scripture and the verse that they think that we should start valuing people based on the color of their skin, which is exactly the opening argument of BLM, is that skin color matters more than action, worldview, values, or any sort of spiritual, let's say, spiritual viewpoint.
00:07:14.000 What is your perspective on that?
00:07:16.000 Yeah, I think that's a great question.
00:07:18.000 Listen, the fundamental precept that they have adopted, and I don't even know that they know that they've adopted it.
00:07:25.000 Listen, when you hang out with a certain sect of people, you start to adopt their ideas.
00:07:32.000 Whether or not they've been expressly educated in those ideas, I don't even know if they know that.
00:07:36.000 But when they say publicly that we need to treat COVID like, excuse me, we need to create racism like COVID.
00:07:43.000 We need to assume that everyone has it.
00:07:46.000 This is what Paul said last week.
00:07:48.000 We need to treat racism like COVID in church, Charlie.
00:07:52.000 Not secular people, people in church.
00:07:54.000 Listen, 2 Corinthians chapter 5 says this.
00:07:58.000 We are to regard no one as according to the flesh anymore.
00:08:02.000 We all know the second scripture, which is famous, because we're a new creation in Christ Jesus.
00:08:06.000 Amen.
00:08:07.000 So fundamentally, they're saying we're actually called to regard you not according to the spirit, but according not to a current sin, but a sin that is 150 years down the line.
00:08:18.000 And I don't know about you, but my pet grandparents came here.
00:08:21.000 My grandfather was a cop and a B cop in New York City.
00:08:24.000 They came here after the Civil War, right?
00:08:26.000 But you're still implicated.
00:08:28.000 Yeah, well, and here's why it's even more troubling.
00:08:30.000 And again, this doesn't make me a good person.
00:08:32.000 I want to be very clear, but this idea of institutional sin is awful, but it's also just so imprecise.
00:08:37.000 My family, and again, I'm not saying this as like, oh, I'm such a good person because of it, because I'm a different individual of it, but my family fought in the American Civil War on the union side.
00:08:45.000 So what kind of racism, intergenerational racist sin, am I supposed to be burdening?
00:08:51.000 By the way, I say this as saying that does not necessarily give me a free pass to all of a sudden say, I'm allowed to do whatever I want to do.
00:08:58.000 No, every individual is their own vessel in the eyes of God, right?
00:09:02.000 This idea of intergenerational sin is against everything the Christian doctrine stands for, right?
00:09:10.000 And it's interesting because Christ said this.
00:09:14.000 His teaching will turn father against son, right?
00:09:17.000 What does that really mean?
00:09:17.000 What's the deeper meaning there?
00:09:19.000 Is that just because you're blood related to somebody does not mean that you can save your son for you or you can save your father, right?
00:09:28.000 You have to have your own individual salvation journey or admission of Christ being the savior of the world and your own personal savior.
00:09:37.000 Your family members can't do that for you.
00:09:39.000 That seems to be lost.
00:09:41.000 We're now kind of getting back to this idea that, quite honestly, predated Christ of a caste system.
00:09:47.000 Who you are is not actually how you act.
00:09:51.000 It doesn't matter about your worldview or your spirituality, but it's the color of your skin.
00:09:55.000 This is 5,000-year-old tribalism. 0.72
00:09:57.000 Right.
00:09:58.000 Yeah, listen, there's a scripture in the Old Testament that says, in the new covenant, it's a prophecy referring to our now state in Christ in Christendom.
00:10:06.000 The fathers who eat sour grapes, their sons' teeth shall not be set on edge.
00:10:12.000 Now, if you grew up in the country like I did and you ate like a sour piece of fruit or, you know, you've had done it before, there's that like gritty edge, weird teeth that you think and you get it under your teeth.
00:10:22.000 The prophecy about the new covenant that we live in is literally the opposite of this systemic racism thing that you live under the blanket of racism.
00:10:32.000 And it's not just Hillsong, it's the evangelical church is getting these marching orders from people that have separated themselves from the scripture and taken on this new ideology.
00:10:44.000 And this is how crazy it is.
00:10:45.000 I was watching this video by this lady, Dr. Anita Phillips, and she said, you know, I tried to figure out Black Lives Matter plus evangelicalism.
00:10:53.000 How am I going to figure this out?
00:10:54.000 She said, and I, and the Lord said to me, step away from your scripture, step back from the Bible.
00:11:00.000 And then I discovered, right?
00:11:02.000 First of all, you're like, okay, you're already dancing in a land of heresy.
00:11:06.000 Let's hear what you discovered. 0.83
00:11:07.000 I discovered that there were these Nordic tribes and there was this God that made them and now he judges them. 0.99
00:11:13.000 And that's why Christians or white Christians are so judgmental.
00:11:16.000 And then I discovered this African tribe and the God came down and lived with the African people and gave them all of the things they need and he was communally with them. 0.85
00:11:27.000 Then this is how I discovered why black people understand Black Lives Matter and white people are so judgmental.
00:11:32.000 Mark says this.
00:11:34.000 This lady, Dr. Anita Phillips, that Christine Kane, who frankly is one of the most popular female speakers in evangelicalism, hosted, there was a ton of people in my church.
00:11:43.000 Listen, my own mom called me and she was like, I'm really confused by this.
00:11:47.000 So I listened to the hour and a half message, and it's not until an hour and 10 in, Charlie, that she says the answer was to step away from the scripture.
00:11:56.000 Exactly.
00:11:57.000 Look, our epistemology is founded in the scripture.
00:12:01.000 Our ontology, our literal being is founded in the scripture.
00:12:04.000 We don't find it from academia, besides the fact how incredibly shallow it is to say, I took the thousand, you know, polyatheistic religions and I decided that this one, that's listen, it's communism.
00:12:17.000 The God that comes down, lives with you communally, and then just gives you everything you need.
00:12:21.000 How is that not just communism wrapped up in some kind of strange pseudo-religion?
00:12:27.000 If you go extra scriptural to try to find religious or spiritual meaning, you inevitably will go in one of two ways.
00:12:33.000 You'll be confused and you'll go in a state of chaos because scripture is order, scripture is truth, or you will then get into nihilism and hedonism, or then you will get into Marxism and communism, right?
00:12:45.000 So, this individual that you mentioned, Dr. Phillips, you said, Ayana Phillips?
00:12:50.000 Nita Phillips is her name.
00:12:52.000 I should probably know this, but yeah.
00:12:55.000 Anyway, it's my world, so I know about her.
00:12:57.000 I'm a happier person because I don't know who she is, but I know exactly the type of viewpoint that she espouses and that she expresses.
00:13:05.000 The issue is, and you just hit it perfectly: bad theology leads to bad politics, right?
00:13:10.000 And so, since she also, now she removes herself from theology in the Bible, like, well, I have so much of a greater understanding of Nordic versus African.
00:13:18.000 Hold on a second.
00:13:20.000 Christ transcends all of that, and the scriptures are just as true today as they were 1,000 years ago or 1,500 years ago.
00:13:28.000 So, what is the root of this?
00:13:29.000 And can you dive deeper into how these churches, and I know these pastors, and I'm just texting with them.
00:13:36.000 I'm like, what are you doing?
00:13:38.000 I mean, you think that all of a sudden you've got it figured out at this moment in time?
00:13:42.000 And can you add some clarity to that?
00:13:45.000 Yeah, I'd be happy to.
00:13:47.000 So, I'm going to use the word sensuality here, and I don't mean to conflate it with sexuality.
00:13:52.000 I mean sensory, right?
00:13:54.000 When things are about the way it feels, the way it looks, the way it sounds, the way it tastes, right?
00:14:00.000 And that's a part of our human experience.
00:14:02.000 Senses are a part of our experience.
00:14:04.000 But when that takes precedent over the way we think, which is the other half of how we live, that takes precedence.
00:14:12.000 Then we literally go down the road of having been deceived by our senses.
00:14:16.000 And we have a church, frankly, that's getting A pluses on sensory experiences, right?
00:14:22.000 We're more focused on lights than we are on licentiousness.
00:14:26.000 We're more focused on our biceps, frankly, than we are on the Bible.
00:14:29.000 And so, when we have a church that's focused on that, we lose the mind.
00:14:33.000 Acts, I think, 17, it says that the Bereans were incredibly noble because everything Paul taught them, they took it to the scripture to decide if it was true or not.
00:14:44.000 Listen, most people don't even read their Bible, let alone check to see if their pastor, what he's saying, is true or not.
00:14:51.000 So, in Galatians, you have this picture of a people that have turned towards acts of the flesh.
00:14:58.000 They're hyper-focused on these symbolic acts, circumcision specifically. 0.80
00:15:04.000 And the Judaizer saying, You guys need to do these symbolic acts of the flesh to prove that you are with us.
00:15:10.000 And Paul's like, you've completely lost your theology. 0.98
00:15:13.000 Oh, foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you? 0.99
00:15:16.000 And check this out, Charlie. 1.00
00:15:18.000 That word in context, foolish, means you who are a shallow in analysis. 0.99
00:15:24.000 So, we have a church that has become shallow in analysis. 0.99
00:15:28.000 They've thrown away fathers.
00:15:30.000 They've thrown away the ability to think deeply.
00:15:33.000 And it's all about hilarious jokes, ultra-tight genes, and looking cool and celebrity.
00:15:38.000 And listen, I have some ultra-tight genes that I should probably throw out.
00:15:42.000 And so, I get it.
00:15:42.000 But the point is when we throw out the mind and the brain and the ability to think, which is a gift from God, the reason I hate to jump this, jump to here, but the reason I hate the word woke is because it's wrong structurally.
00:15:56.000 It's wrong etymologically.
00:15:57.000 It's wrong philologically.
00:15:59.000 I'm not currently woke.
00:16:00.000 I'm currently awake, right?
00:16:03.000 I'm not eating a sandwich.
00:16:04.000 I ate a sandwich previously.
00:16:07.000 Words are incredibly important and they create the definition and the world we live in.
00:16:12.000 John chapter one, in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.
00:16:17.000 All things were created through him and without him, nothing was created that was created.
00:16:22.000 So the words literally create the reality that we live in.
00:16:26.000 And these guys are redefining language. 0.99
00:16:29.000 They're saying when you say black lives matter, if you don't say black lives matter, you hate black people. 0.99
00:16:34.000 What are you talking about? 0.99
00:16:35.000 Like, how are you changing the etymology?
00:16:38.000 So again, lack of analysis.
00:16:40.000 Frankly, lack of fathers, lack of an older voice that has experience, that has knowledge, and it's dangerous. 0.96
00:16:48.000 I'm very impressed by your analysis, I have to say. 0.97
00:16:50.000 It's very refreshing.
00:16:52.000 And you're exactly right.
00:16:54.000 So can you help make sense for our Christian viewers right now, some of these pastors that are indifferent on these issues because they're afraid they're going to be called bad names?
00:17:02.000 And I want you to get even deeper into kind of what you consider to be a continuity of the type of Christianity that has been diving into this.
00:17:10.000 So it seems, you mentioned one church in particular.
00:17:13.000 I know those people.
00:17:14.000 I went to that church as a visitor and love the worship.
00:17:18.000 And I've heard some really good things.
00:17:20.000 And I'm not going to discount that they have done, you know, no good for the kingdom.
00:17:26.000 However, I think that there's...
00:17:27.000 There are pastors there that I love.
00:17:28.000 There's guys there that are incredible theologians.
00:17:31.000 So you definitely don't want to discount a few groups.
00:17:33.000 But can you maybe help me through this?
00:17:37.000 Do you think it's the more, it's the churches that have the heavier emphasis on the spirit and the Pentecostal tradition that are more likely to get into this?
00:17:43.000 Or do you think there's no correlation there?
00:17:45.000 Well, so I've always found that truth lies in tension, right?
00:17:50.000 So when I see people that are hyper-focused on experiences of, let's call them the body or sensual experiences, sensory experiences, there is absolutely every time a proclivity to throw out structure and order.
00:18:04.000 But then I go to the guys that are ultra-structured and ultra-ordered.
00:18:08.000 And then you're like, where's the life, guys?
00:18:10.000 Like I'm blowing dust off the books because we're missing, we need to have both things living in tension, which makes it challenging because it says of Jesus that he's full of grace and full of truth.
00:18:22.000 It doesn't say he's half grace and he's half truth, that he has this paradoxical fullness that we don't quite understand.
00:18:31.000 But it challenges the guys that are on, like, I want to experience something.
00:18:35.000 I want to be charismatic.
00:18:36.000 I want to have encounters with God, which I think are essential.
00:18:40.000 And it should also challenge the guys that are like, I'm a Brean.
00:18:43.000 I'm sitting in my room.
00:18:44.000 I'm reading books all the time.
00:18:46.000 I love what G.K. Chesterton says about morality.
00:18:48.000 He says, morality is like art.
00:18:50.000 You have to draw a line somewhere.
00:18:52.000 And so for pastors who are out there thinking like, man, I haven't engaged this idea yet.
00:18:57.000 I haven't talked about this.
00:18:59.000 My encouragement is, guys, we have to draw a line somewhere.
00:19:03.000 And when there's a new theology coming in saying that we are all racist, that we are all like that the church has been the primary propagator or one of the, let me be clear on my language, one of the primary propagators of racism in America.
00:19:17.000 Guys, we got to stand up and say that's not true.
00:19:20.000 You know, Charlie, I was telling one of your guys about a church split that I had in my church through all of this craziness. 0.93
00:19:27.000 And it was in part because I refused to post the black square. 0.98
00:19:32.000 I refused to say the magical language.
00:19:35.000 Again, it's the exact same thing as Galatians chapter three.
00:19:38.000 Symbolic acts to prove you are a part of the real community.
00:19:43.000 That's so good.
00:19:44.000 You do this act. 1.00
00:19:45.000 You put the black square, you raise the fist. 0.99
00:19:47.000 If not, you're a second-class citizen.
00:19:50.000 You are a lower class than us, and you shouldn't be disparaged.
00:19:53.000 Well, and Galatians 3 also says the law is a school teacher to Christ.
00:19:57.000 And I love that because with what we're doing, we bring a lot of people to Christ through talking about political structures, through moral human action, not discounting the grace of Jesus Christ, but also not throwing out the law altogether, right?
00:20:13.000 And if that is the case, it's and so theologically, do you think that some of these churches have no emphasis at all on the law, almost no Old Testament teaching at all, and just kind of only focus on Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, maybe a little bit of Acts?
00:20:26.000 Do you think there's something to that?
00:20:28.000 Yeah, yeah, I think you're exactly right, Charlie.
00:20:31.000 Listen, the term is antinomian.
00:20:33.000 That's the theological term we use.
00:20:36.000 Antinomian is anti-law.
00:20:38.000 So it's like the Ten Commandments don't even matter anymore.
00:20:40.000 And I've actually heard people say we don't need to care about the Ten Commandments.
00:20:44.000 And you're like, hold on.
00:20:45.000 You mean like not killing?
00:20:47.000 Like we don't need to care about that anymore because grace covers it.
00:20:50.000 But if you follow that line of argument, it is antinomian because we are focused more upon this idea of salvation.
00:20:59.000 Like I get people to say the prayer, my church gets bigger, but we don't deal with the law, which means we don't have a school teacher. 0.92
00:21:05.000 So again, back to the point of Galatians, oh, you foolish Galatians, oh, you who are shallow in analysis because you've never been trained by the law how to behave. 0.95
00:21:15.000 Yes, that's exactly right. 0.93
00:21:17.000 And the law can be, the law can be a harder message to communicate at a mega church on 34th Street in Midtown Manhattan, right?
00:21:26.000 When you're saying, no, there's actually rules and the law is there for a reason.
00:21:32.000 There is therefore a reason.
00:21:35.000 And I actually think it makes the gospel taste sweeter when you are able to understand the law, right?
00:21:40.000 But God did not give us the law because he hated us.
00:21:43.000 Actually, if you follow these rules, you actually live a more fulfilling life.
00:21:46.000 He was not the fun police.
00:21:47.000 If you follow the Ten Commandments, you actually live a very rich and prosperous life.
00:21:54.000 And that's, when I say it's less sweet, it's actually what happens when the salt loses its saltiness, right?
00:21:59.000 And I think you can't understand the harmony of the gospels or the entire picture of what Christ was doing without understanding the Old Testament, without understanding when Christ was tried, it was Deuteronomy, if I'm not mistaken, he was referencing, right?
00:22:16.000 And understanding the references to Daniel and the fulfilling of the prophecy.
00:22:21.000 If you just focus myopically on Christ's life, burial, death, and resurrection, which we'd love, that is the most important thing.
00:22:27.000 You build a whole church around that.
00:22:29.000 I actually don't think you get the entire picture.
00:22:32.000 And I would make an argument, the churches that do that are far more likely than to kind of dive into this kind of humanistic political activism.
00:22:40.000 Is that fair?
00:22:41.000 Yeah, listen, I think it's more than fair.
00:22:43.000 Jesus said to the Pharisees, like, you don't know the word of God or the power thereof.
00:22:47.000 He said, you search the scriptures seeking to find life, but it is them that testify to me.
00:22:52.000 He said to the Pharisees, you're a blockade to the way of life, and you yourself have not entered in.
00:22:59.000 And he's basing it upon their misunderstanding of the Old Testament scriptures that Matthew 4, he's saying is the word of God.
00:23:06.000 So Genesis, we have this picture of God setting man and woman in this garden of Eden, this place of absolute flourishing, of bounty.
00:23:15.000 And we have to be able to say, that's the original intention of God, this bordered place of flourishing that he wants me to live in.
00:23:23.000 And if I don't have a border in my life, that's moral, like with my wife, if I can do whatever I want or she can do whatever I want.
00:23:29.000 Guess what?
00:23:30.000 There's going to be no flourishing at the Engelhardt house.
00:23:33.000 You know what I mean?
00:23:34.000 Yeah, that's very well said.
00:23:36.000 So in a couple, we have a couple minutes remaining.
00:23:38.000 Can you talk about a call to action for Christians that are uneasy about these topics and issues that are just being propagated by their pastors all across the country?
00:23:47.000 What can you guide them to? 0.65
00:23:49.000 Give them some theological confidence that they can articulate that the BLM Incorporated movement as it is today, right, which is a political insurgence movement that is about dividing people on skin color is actually against the doctrine of Jesus Christ. 0.67
00:24:03.000 Yeah. 0.75
00:24:03.000 Listen, I think the first thing is that the voice needs to be lifted. 0.75
00:24:08.000 And there's some kind of, you know, let's call it a dark omen that we have all these people walking around with masks on today.
00:24:14.000 It's like that their voice should almost be silenced.
00:24:17.000 The primary way to stand up is to begin to speak.
00:24:20.000 And there's been a cap on the evangelical church to make Christianity all about private preference, right?
00:24:27.000 And Jesus is a public figure.
00:24:30.000 The resurrection was witnessed by 500 people, right?
00:24:33.000 It's a public fact that cannot be hidden.
00:24:36.000 So in the sense of what to do first is you have to lift your voice up.
00:24:40.000 Like you have to stop being silenced by the pressure. 0.52
00:24:45.000 When I open my Instagram account, when I look at my Twitter, the primary voices are, well, not from, but like on mainstream media are all be silence, listen what we have to say, say the flag, put up the black square.
00:24:57.000 If you don't, there's something wrong with you.
00:24:59.000 If Christians today would raise their voice and begin to say, I refuse for you to say that I'm a racist.
00:25:07.000 I love my black brothers and sisters.
00:25:09.000 I love people of different skin colors.
00:25:12.000 We're actually one in Christ Jesus.
00:25:14.000 He's reconciled us in Christ.
00:25:17.000 How dare you say that?
00:25:19.000 People actually need to start raising their voice against the litany of lies that are coming out.
00:25:25.000 We have to do it.
00:25:26.000 And it says clearly, and I'm paraphrasing, and you know the scripture better than I do, neither slave nor Greek nor Jew, we are all free in Jesus Christ, right?
00:25:36.000 And that was Paul writing saying like, guys, all these tribal lines somewhat irrelevant in the dominion of Christ, right?
00:25:43.000 In the kingdom that he has established here.
00:25:45.000 Because prior to Christ, everything was tribal.
00:25:48.000 Everything was civilizational, right? 0.50
00:25:50.000 And it transcended all of that.
00:25:52.000 And then our country, which they want to destroy, actually was inspired by that teaching.
00:25:57.000 The country that, and this is what really bothers me about what you said about, you know, about Carl.
00:26:01.000 It was the church that created the movement to end slavery.
00:26:05.000 It was the church that created the movement for common law.
00:26:07.000 And so that really bothers me.
00:26:08.000 David, we have a hard, hard stop here.
00:26:10.000 How can people find out more about you?
00:26:12.000 I want to have you back on the show.
00:26:13.000 I love your enthusiasm and I want to come visit your church in New York.
00:26:16.000 How can people follow you on social media and support you?
00:26:18.000 Yeah.
00:26:19.000 Yeah.
00:26:20.000 Our website is kcnyc.org.
00:26:22.000 I preach every week.
00:26:23.000 So there's that Instagram at Engelhart underscore ESQ.
00:26:28.000 And listen, would love to support Charlie.
00:26:30.000 I'd love to do it.
00:26:32.000 I love what you're doing and you're standing not just for political rightness, but for righteousness and honored to be able to be on the team.
00:26:41.000 I'm very impressed, man.
00:26:42.000 So honored to meet you.
00:26:43.000 Thank you for coming on.
00:26:44.000 We have your back and keep standing.
00:26:45.000 We really appreciate it.
00:26:46.000 Thank you.
00:26:47.000 Appreciate it.
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