The Charlie Kirk Show - Back To War? + The Teacher Union Menace

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00:01:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 It's Monday, May 4th.

00:01:20.000 May the 4th be with you, of course, for all you Star Wars.

00:01:23.000 Don't do that.

00:01:24.000 Don't do this to me.

00:01:26.000 The studio was intent that I bring it up.

00:01:29.000 I am, so apologies, Blake.

00:01:32.000 Apologies to all of you out there who are not Star Wars fans.

00:01:35.000 I am not really a Star Wars fan.

00:01:37.000 I've never, I mean, I like the originals.

00:01:38.000 Just fine.

00:01:39.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:01:40.000 It was good.

00:01:41.000 It was more justifiable to be a Star Wars nut when there were six movies and maybe three and a half of them were good.

00:01:48.000 Three.

00:01:48.000 Yeah, three.

00:01:49.000 Three movies were good.

00:01:51.000 And then you could like the games and whatever and the Legos.

00:01:54.000 But now there's endless Disney Star Wars slop and 90% of it is bad.

00:01:59.000 90% of it is terrible.

00:02:01.000 Six movies are good, says Caboose in our studio.

00:02:04.000 Fine.

00:02:05.000 I would probably go with four and a half.

00:02:08.000 Um,.

00:02:09.000 So it is May 4th.

00:02:11.000 I am feeling a little bit under the weather today, so bear with me.

00:02:15.000 It's going around.

00:02:16.000 What can I say?

00:02:17.000 But toughen it out.

00:02:19.000 Excited to be here, and there's lots of news to go over.

00:02:22.000 Of course, over the weekend, it feels like there's always a lot of news, and then we catch up on it on the Monday.

00:02:28.000 We are here at the Y Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona, and it's a beautiful thing.

00:02:32.000 But over the weekend, Trump announced via True Social that he was going to start opening the straight, escorting.

00:02:42.000 Countries that are, quote unquote, victims of circumstance.

00:02:46.000 And he's calling it Operation Freedom, where they're going to be leading and guiding ships through the Strait of Hormuz to sort of ease maybe the economic fallout from the Strait being closed.

00:02:57.000 Obviously, about 20 to 30 percent of the world's energy flows through the Strait of Hormuz.

00:03:03.000 And just before the show began, we started hearing rumors that Iran was firing back after this announcement from the president.

00:03:12.000 So, what do we have?

00:03:13.000 We have the UAE says that four missiles have been shot at the UAE, four cruise missiles, three were intercepted, one dropped into the sea.

00:03:23.000 But we are also getting confirmations that there is a fire at the Fujairah oil industry zone. 0.69

00:03:31.000 So, it goes by FOIS, caused by a drone strike coming from Iran.

00:03:37.000 And UAE is issuing safety alerts.

00:03:42.000 Basically, this is now an open question.

00:03:45.000 Does this violate the ceasefire?

00:03:47.000 Are we about to see a return to kinetic hostilities led by the U.S. military in the region?

00:03:54.000 We are told there are about 15,000 service members activated right now in this moment.

00:04:00.000 There were also reports, unconfirmed, I believe, at this point, that a South Korean tanker was hit by a mine in the Strait.

00:04:10.000 So we're looking for confirmation on that.

00:04:12.000 But this then is, it seems like, a return to the storylines of about a month ago, Blake, or three weeks ago, where we could be at the precipice of active military strikes against Iran once more.

00:04:26.000 We could see more strikes.

00:04:28.000 We could see attempts, if they're launching stuff at the UAE, that could very much be signaling.

00:04:34.000 Ships shouldn't join this attempt to run the blockade.

00:04:36.000 They're trying to show they can still shoot missiles that can hit things, trying to spook them.

00:04:41.000 So we might see an escalation where the U.S. tries to induce ships to come along. 0.79

00:04:45.000 Iran might try to hit them.

00:04:47.000 If they do, then they might see strikes. 0.51

00:04:49.000 You know, we're seeing why this has proven such an intractable and difficult conflict, which is it's been difficult for us to actually shut down Iran's ability to launch missiles. 0.98

00:05:01.000 We haven't knocked down that regime. 0.96

00:05:04.000 The blockade does seem to be having some effect, but it hasn't.

00:05:07.000 Cause the regime to collapse.

00:05:08.000 It's difficult to destroy a country by blockade, even when it's an island, as we've seen with Cuba.

00:05:13.000 Yeah, well, so the major effect, I think, of the blockade is economic, right?

00:05:18.000 The 40% of Iran's GDP has been wiped off the books in just the last two months.

00:05:25.000 And there is an issue when you stop oil production.

00:05:28.000 So essentially, what is happening in Iran is that they are still pumping, because if you stop pumping, you can cause permanent damage to the wells.

00:05:36.000 They might not ever come back, actually, in the same way that they were.

00:05:40.000 So either you lose them altogether or Future production is greatly degraded.

00:05:44.000 So, what they have to now do, since they're not able to get any of their oil out, is they're trying to find storage in Iran.

00:05:51.000 So, you're trying to find places where you can actually store the oil.

00:05:55.000 And once you run out of that, then you have to stop production.

00:05:58.000 And there's another issue is that when the oil is going out, obviously you're getting revenue in.

00:06:03.000 Well, if you stop getting revenue in, and this represents the vast majority of the Iranian economy, then essentially you're going to run out of the ability to pay your troops.

00:06:12.000 So, they are looking at about 20 days out.

00:06:15.000 From running out of money, according to estimates, to be able to pay their troops.

00:06:18.000 The question is, will that stop the IRGC?

00:06:21.000 Will you get mass defections?

00:06:24.000 Will they just kind of tough it out, grin and bear it?

00:06:27.000 The line that everybody likes to use is that they have a high pain threshold and can tolerate a long term, drawn out, painful situation.

00:06:35.000 What I will say is, I think we've seen a lot of very optimistic estimates that they can't last another day, they can't last another week, and we're.

00:06:48.000 Almost two and a half months into this and hasn't fallen yet.

00:06:53.000 So I think we're seeing why it was, we're frankly seeing why Charlie issued so many warnings about a conflict like this.

00:07:00.000 Yeah, I mean, this was the great white whale of the neocon establishment as they wanted to take out the Iranian regime.

00:07:07.000 This is why we are always skeptical about it.

00:07:09.000 This is why we didn't, you know, beat the drums of war over at the Charlie Kirk show.

00:07:15.000 It's because this is a, A very, as you say, intractable potential problem.

00:07:21.000 How do you finish this off if they're willing to just sort of grin and bear it and lose their economy in order to not lose face and to maintain their dignity and their sovereignty?

00:07:31.000 And remember that they control the vast majority of the shoreline of the Strait of Hormuz.

00:07:37.000 They're claiming it as their own.

00:07:38.000 Ultimately, they're sort of feckless, but if all they have to do is wait it out, then that becomes a massive problem.

00:07:43.000 So we obviously root for success, but we're also very honest about the fact that.

00:07:49.000 There doesn't seem to be a quick, easy, obvious route out of this conflict as we currently see it.

00:07:56.000 There, yeah, we're controlling things.

00:07:58.000 We destroyed their navy. 0.76

00:07:59.000 We destroyed their military.

00:08:00.000 Their missile capacity to shoot them and to produce them is greatly degraded.

00:08:05.000 But at what point do we just have to keep this going?

00:08:09.000 Is this like a forever quagmire where we just have to blockade the strait and energy prices around the globe remain inflated?

00:08:17.000 So that's a huge, huge question.

00:08:19.000 And we don't have an answer to it yet.

00:08:22.000 And this is why we were always, I would say, warning about this conflict.

00:08:27.000 This is why I think Charlie was accurate to be warning about this conflict. 0.99

00:08:32.000 You know, there's a lot of talk about whether Iran is a rational actor. 0.98

00:08:36.000 Are they making decisions rationally?

00:08:39.000 This was obviously first and foremost the discussion about nuclear weapons, but now it becomes obviously it would be in their best interest to get a truce, to get a peace just for economic reasons.

00:08:52.000 Are they rational in that sense?

00:08:54.000 I'm not so sure that they're going to behave rationally when it comes to this because they believe that they have the leverage.

00:09:00.000 And we talk about leverage, they think they have the leverage because they can stand this.

00:09:06.000 This conflict is longer potentially than the patience of the American people.

00:09:09.000 And what we'll say is also there's going to be, because we've been around this for several months, there's going to be people, I think, adjacent to the White House, maybe in the White House, who will tell the president if you do this one thing, if you take this one step that's more aggressive, put boots on the ground, seize Karg Island, you'll be able to end the war.

00:09:29.000 One, be skeptical of that.

00:09:30.000 And two, we ask every young person who comes on this show how their friends feel about this.

00:09:35.000 And every single time they've said, It's very unpopular.

00:09:38.000 Yeah.

00:09:40.000 Spent a lot of political capital on this conflict, and, you know, hopefully it ends well, but it's very unclear.

00:09:49.000 Very unclear at the present moment.

00:09:50.000 All right.

00:09:51.000 So, May Day.

00:09:53.000 Blake, I don't know what you know about May Day, but. 0.94

00:09:55.000 It's a commie day.

00:09:56.000 It's a commie day. 0.55

00:09:57.000 It's actually the International Workers' Day, which is code for communism.

00:10:03.000 And listen, we like workers as much as the other guy, but, like, you know, Don't fall for the nice sounding slogans, Workers' Day.

00:10:11.000 Oh, it sounds like I'm a worker.

00:10:13.000 I support that.

00:10:14.000 No, this is, you know, absolutely from far left progressive groups.

00:10:20.000 And basically, what happened was it was a Workers Over Billionaires coalition called for a nationwide day of action with the slogan, No School.

00:10:29.000 Interesting that they put that first.

00:10:30.000 No school, no work, no shopping, involving protests, rallies, walkouts, and an economic blackout aimed at issues like workers' rights.

00:10:39.000 Educational funding, opposition to certain policies, and basically anything anti Trump.

00:10:44.000 Okay.

00:10:45.000 But this made a lot of news because over 20 school districts, mostly the largest ones in the country, participated in this walkout.

00:10:54.000 They claimed it was because there were not going to be teachers and administrators there to take care of the students.

00:11:01.000 But then you find out a lot of these students are getting busts to the protests directly.

00:11:06.000 So there was a full effort to get young people, high schoolers that don't know what the heck they're talking about.

00:11:13.000 Candidly about most of these issues, to hold up anti Trump signs, anti ICE signs, and to just basically take a day off of school.

00:11:20.000 And there you can see them right there.

00:11:23.000 Blake, you find out there's student groups like the Sunrise Movement and labor coalitions, and then you find out the teachers' unions, which we talked about recently, the NAE affiliates were behind all of this.

00:11:37.000 Instead of training your kids in reading, writing, and arithmetic, they're teaching them how to hate Trump.

00:11:44.000 Well, yeah, I mean, that's the chief goal of a huge number of public school teachers, well, I should say private school ones across the country as well.

00:11:52.000 But that for a lot of teachers, the chief role of their profession is ideological training, ideological inculcation, and they're manifestly allowed to do this.

00:12:04.000 We were just discussing in the break how Harmony Dillon's DOJ, they're investigating, I think, at least a couple dozen Illinois school districts over gender ideology.

00:12:14.000 And it's just, it's pretty simple, which is just, did they allow.

00:12:17.000 Parents to have their children opt out of hearing pro LGBT, pro trans propaganda in their classrooms.

00:12:26.000 And apparently, they just, a lot of them weren't.

00:12:28.000 It wouldn't shock me at all if they weren't.

00:12:30.000 That if you're in public schools, if you're in the school system, you're constantly bombarded with propaganda about race stuff, gender stuff, anti Trump stuff, anti capitalism stuff.

00:12:43.000 And they're weaponizing this more and more to just literally just say, oh, we're going to get kids to leave school because it's important to.

00:12:50.000 Train kids in activism.

00:12:52.000 It's important to train kids to participate in democracy.

00:12:54.000 This is the rhetoric they'll use.

00:12:55.000 And it's really just, we want to use children as ideological foot soldiers. 0.71

00:13:00.000 And before we move on, I should just point out not only is May Day a commie holiday, it's specifically a commie holiday to commemorate a left wing bombing in Chicago, the Haymarket bombing. 0.66

00:13:12.000 They started a series of marches on the 1st, and on today, May 4th, they blew up some police officers. 0.78

00:13:17.000 And that is what they wanted to commemorate with May Day.

00:13:21.000 We've got some video here for you.

00:13:22.000 Sat 1.

00:13:23.000 I think it's a really cool way for us to show our students that they can take their power back and feel empowered for the day.

00:13:29.000 We are organizing our school so that the K-6 students are also going to be able to march.

00:13:33.000 We're going to be doing sign making, art projects, maybe a banner build with the students.

00:13:39.000 And my students are learning, this land is your land.

00:13:41.000 They're going to sing that along the way and some other chance.

00:13:44.000 Our seventh and eighth graders are going to be going on a field trip downtown to the Union Park rally at 1 o'clock.

00:13:49.000 It's really important that we build our power as workers.

00:13:51.000 I'm excited to share that with my students so they can see workers building their own power.

00:13:57.000 Kept talking about taking your power back and building your own power, and which is funny kindergartners, which is funny because these left wingers hate electricity, so they're actually making the power go out.

00:14:08.000 Yeah, well, it's just very interesting that they're using school time to make protest signs, which is very indoctrinating, very wrong on multiple levels.

00:14:18.000 This is a street journalist, Nate Friedman.

00:14:21.000 I followed his work a little bit, and he does some fantastic street interviews.

00:14:25.000 Here's SOT 5.

00:14:26.000 Yeah, we see kids getting off the bus right now.

00:14:29.000 These kids are being bussed into protests, United States of America.

00:14:32.000 Are kids being brought to the protest here today?

00:14:34.000 There are students who will be attending.

00:14:36.000 We have around 2,000, a little over 2,000.

00:14:38.000 2,000 kids.

00:14:38.000 How many different schools?

00:14:40.000 Oh my gosh, there's a lot of them.

00:14:41.000 How long have you been briefed about here today?

00:14:43.000 Has it been like weeks of preparation, months?

00:14:45.000 We've been preparing.

00:14:46.000 All the signs professionally printed here by the PSL, which is funded by Soros through, you know, you've got Progress Unity Fund, you've got the Justice and Education Fund through Singham.

00:14:55.000 Here, I'm standing right here.

00:14:56.000 You can see behind me.

00:14:57.000 This is what's happening.

00:15:02.000 Your tax dollars.

00:15:03.000 Are being used to bust kids to a protest.

00:15:06.000 Do a day of action, a civic day of action for students so students can learn about their civil rights and unfortunately that are currently being eroded by our current U.S. government.

00:15:17.000 Yeah, so, you know, Nate does a good job of identifying the financing that goes into this.

00:15:23.000 Neville Singham, obviously, who is a billionaire that lives in China, he's funding a bunch of this stuff.

00:15:29.000 You do have the Soros funding, professionally made signs.

00:15:32.000 You've got young people getting indoctrinated.

00:15:34.000 You hear that Mexican music in the background.

00:15:36.000 I think that was Chicago.

00:15:38.000 By the way, which is just wild.

00:15:40.000 It's your people's music, Andrew.

00:15:41.000 Yeah, well, listen, I can't stand that stuff if I'm being honest.

00:15:44.000 It just sounds all the same to me.

00:15:46.000 It's like horns blaring.

00:15:47.000 It sounds all the same.

00:15:48.000 It's like country music.

00:15:48.000 Oh, I'm going to get angry emails again.

00:15:52.000 I like country music.

00:15:52.000 I grew up with it, though.

00:15:53.000 I come from rancher stock, so it's a whole different thing for me.

00:15:56.000 But the point is, evil never sleeps.

00:16:01.000 And the second you think you're making progress in the country in any way, shape, or form, you've got these people that will continually pump millions, if not more, tens of millions into indoctrinating people.

00:16:15.000 Young kids to go protest what they don't even know.

00:16:18.000 I mean, for a lot of you out there, the easiest comparison if someone told you you can't go to church anymore, you can't be Christian anymore, how would you react to it?

00:16:27.000 That is the frame you need to think of for a lot of these people in terms of doing left wing marches, doing left wing politics.

00:16:33.000 It really is their religion.

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00:17:47.000 Okay, I'm told we have Brandon Gil ready, Congressman out of Texas.

00:17:51.000 Welcome back to the show, Congressman.

00:17:52.000 It's good to be here.

00:17:53.000 Thanks for having me.

00:17:54.000 Man, you've been on fire lately and really been fun to watch some of what you've been doing, whether it's the congressional testimony on abortion, which we're going to play that clip in a second, talking about immigration, talking about domestic issues.

00:18:07.000 You've been laser focused.

00:18:09.000 In the segment before, we were talking about these May Day protests where you got 20 plus school districts, major school districts in the biggest metropolitan areas of the country walking out.

00:18:19.000 And one of the things you've been talking about as well, Congressman, is this scourge of political violence, the rise of political violence.

00:18:25.000 And so I'm going to play a clip.

00:18:26.000 This was some of our Turning Point Frontlines journalists.

00:18:30.000 I believe it's in Los Angeles.

00:18:32.000 And they get accosted instantly.

00:18:35.000 And Charlie's name is invoked.

00:18:37.000 I'll play it for you.

00:18:38.000 top 14.

00:19:03.000 Congressman, what do you think when you see just that level of vitriol in our country?

00:19:08.000 I mean, first of all, it's kind of amazing how deranged you have to be to start shouting at college students about somebody who's already been assassinated.

00:19:18.000 I think that's a level of kind of darkness that most Americans aren't used to in our political system.

00:19:25.000 But there is a Scourge of political violence and it is rising in the United States and it is predominantly coming from the left.

00:19:33.000 Multiple shows, polls have shown that.

00:19:35.000 Multiple polls have shown that more leftists, people who identify as very liberal, have an affinity for political violence than those who identify as very conservative.

00:19:47.000 And the difference is astounding.

00:19:49.000 It's about 25% of very liberal versus about 3% of people who identify as very conservative.

00:19:55.000 So it's incredibly skewed towards the left.

00:19:59.000 But this is something, this is becoming kind of the new political environment that conservatives.

00:20:04.000 Or operating under one where, whenever you go to a college campus, you expect from the very beginning that you're going to have not only protesters, but people coming to disrupt you and at times engage in just blatant acts of violence.

00:20:19.000 It's sad that we've gotten to this point, but this is something that is coming from the left.

00:20:23.000 It is endlessly.

00:20:25.000 I mean, you and I were both at Dartmouth at the same time.

00:20:29.000 I think we were both there at the time when they ran over.

00:20:32.000 You might remember when they ran over our pro life display with a car.

00:20:35.000 To channel a 15 year old memory.

00:20:38.000 It's very much, and actually, we were saying just before you came on these May Day protests established to commemorate a day where left wing anarchists threw bombs at police in Charlie's hometown in Chicago.

00:20:50.000 There's this long history of left wing street violence, left wing agitation, let's just say left wing hate.

00:20:58.000 And it's bubbling up and it's getting a lot of endorsement from their movement leaders and from their political leaders.

00:21:06.000 It is.

00:21:06.000 And, you know, I think that it's something that there is a long history there.

00:21:10.000 I mean, think about the political left in the United States, they are the inheritors of an ideological movement who has roots in the violence and bloodshed of the French Revolution that then developed throughout revolutions in Europe over the 19th century that was given further sort of political movement in the Russian Revolution.

00:21:35.000 I mean, this is an ideology that.

00:21:38.000 For most of its history, at least as its intellectual inheritance, has been rooted in violence and has been violently manifested over time.

00:21:49.000 For so long in the United States, though, we've been able to sort of operate against a left wing movement that did stay away from acts of political violence.

00:22:01.000 I mean, that is something that is somewhat novel as part of the American experiment, at least in modern history.

00:22:08.000 But that is something that the left has embraced over the past several hundred years as a political movement.

00:22:16.000 And it's a major problem.

00:22:18.000 I mean, this is what most countries deal with, and we're getting to deal with it here in the United States as well. 1.00

00:22:24.000 Yeah, Congressman, something we talk about on the show is the Brazilification, if you will, of the United States from the increased immigration from the third world. 1.00

00:22:32.000 It seems like we're losing our moorings, our connections to the founding documents and our founding creeds. 1.00

00:22:39.000 The values that have made America great for so long.

00:22:42.000 And you've been on top of this topic as well.

00:22:45.000 It's hard not to see a connection between the changing demographics, the fraying at the edges of the social contract.

00:22:58.000 How connected do you see those two things being?

00:23:01.000 Just the mass invasion level of immigration since especially the 1990s.

00:23:07.000 And now you're starting to, those chickens are coming home to roost, it seems like, in some sense. 0.73

00:23:11.000 Or am I misplaced?

00:23:13.000 Am I. Am I misidentifying some of these root causes?

00:23:17.000 No, I think that's right.

00:23:19.000 You know, there's something that I know you guys have talked about, and conservatives are now starting to talk quite a bit about, and it's called social trust.

00:23:26.000 And it's the idea that you can have some basic level of trust with people within a society that you don't even know, that you have no real connection to other than that you share certain cultural bonds.

00:23:39.000 And that's something that we've enjoyed for so long in the United States.

00:23:43.000 And that's because we've had a similar heritage and we share a similar conception of American history and a shared vision of where America is to go in the future, that we have shared basic moral and religious principles.

00:23:57.000 With each other, and that creates a cohesive society where you don't typically have to deal with either political violence or issues like Somalis defrauding you because we all have a basic agreement that we don't do that to one another, even if we don't know each other.

00:24:13.000 And I think that social trust is something that's really easy to take for granted because it's not something that you see or you don't see the opposite in daily life, it's something that's just kind of there.

00:24:26.000 But it's one of those intangible building blocks of civilization.

00:24:30.000 That is eroded by mass migration. 0.94

00:24:33.000 Whenever you bring people in from low trust civilization, low trust societies, where, for take Somalia as an example, where the common method of dealing with government to the extent government exists in Somalia is to try and get as much as you possibly can, 0.75

00:24:50.000 where there's very little reciprocal agreement between the people of Somalia and the government of Somalia, where there isn't really a body politic that believes that it owes anything to anybody else. 0.98

00:25:04.000 Whenever you bring those people into the United States and they bring those third world low trust customs, you should expect to see that to happen in the United States. 0.99

00:25:12.000 And that's one of the key reasons why you see the Somali community in Minnesota that has a massively high welfare usage while at the same time defrauding taxpayers to just an absurd degree. 1.00

00:25:25.000 And I think that that's a lot more common. 1.00

00:25:27.000 And there was a Daily Wire story this morning.

00:25:29.000 And then I think we're going to find out that behavior is a lot more common in the United States.

00:25:34.000 We actually have the reporter Luke is going to be joining the show tomorrow.

00:25:38.000 Uh, at 1 p.m. Eastern, so if you guys want to hear a deep, deep dive on that story, we're going to be covering it tomorrow.

00:25:44.000 It really is sad, as you said.

00:25:45.000 It used to be the discussion was that among the left, they would complain, Oh, the United States doesn't have a strong radical labor movement, doesn't have a strong Antifa left wing street violence.

00:25:58.000 And one of the things they also complained about was Americans were too self reliant.

00:26:02.000 It was in the past, it was difficult to get them to sign up for programs.

00:26:07.000 Well, they have solved that problem.

00:26:09.000 We import people from abroad just so we can sign them up.

00:26:11.000 For programs they don't qualify for.

00:26:14.000 And it's a stark reflection of decline.

00:26:17.000 But we are very glad to have congressmen like yourself who will speak honestly about it because for a long time it was difficult to have that as well.

00:26:24.000 Yeah.

00:26:25.000 And there's a new working paper out of UCLA by political psychologist Samuel Pratt.

00:26:30.000 And I'm just getting deep into it.

00:26:32.000 But basically, it's this idea of he's identifying the fact that really what you need is about 5% of the population to be true believers. 1.00

00:26:41.000 These would be the Hassan Pikers. 0.99

00:26:42.000 And then you get this additional 20% of the population. 0.99

00:26:46.000 That are sort of moderately sympathetic to these radical ideas, but then they give it license, right?

00:26:52.000 They create the permission structure.

00:26:54.000 This is why Hassan Pike are doing these interviews in the New York Times and kind of generating sympathy from the additional 20%.

00:27:05.000 That's really what it takes to get a revolution 5% radicals plus 20%.

00:27:11.000 And they tend to be these people that are the demographic profile of these high scorers is really precise.

00:27:17.000 They tend to be young, female, non white.

00:27:20.000 And politically liberal. 1.00

00:27:21.000 Well, so we have a massive problem, I think, on multiple issues here, Congressman, but we have a radicalization problem with young women. 1.00

00:27:31.000 A lot of them do tend to be white, but non white as well. 0.65

00:27:35.000 And then you have a young cohort that has been brought into this country that's finding political common cause with this radical fraction.

00:27:44.000 And so you get about 25 to 30% of the population that's truly radicalized or giving permission to the radicals.

00:27:52.000 And that's why you have Hassan Piker, who has called for political violence against conservatives, being interviewed in the illustrious pages of the New York Times.

00:28:00.000 All right, just a couple quick updates on the strikes that we mentioned earlier.

00:28:06.000 UAE is reporting a fifth missile strike or attempted strike on them, and they're telling their population to bunker in, stay in safe places.

00:28:16.000 And there's a couple news reports that the IDF is preparing for a rapid transition to a full state of war.

00:28:23.000 Thousands of American soldiers and security officials are on standby in Israel as well.

00:28:28.000 So, hopefully, this all doesn't materialize and we get back to a state of detente and stay with the blockade.

00:28:37.000 But we are monitoring this.

00:28:38.000 And as the show goes on, we'll keep a lookout to see how much of an escalation we see.

00:28:43.000 We are joined by Congressman Brandon Gill out of the great state of Texas.

00:28:47.000 Congressman, you went viral for this incredible.

00:28:53.000 I guess you were questioning a witness on the Hill, and you asked a very simple question, which I can't remember anybody ever asking, and it was brilliant.

00:29:04.000 And you asked, What is your favorite form of abortion?

00:29:07.000 Like, you prefer the suction, the dismemberment, all this.

00:29:10.000 And man, it was, I think, the single most powerful pro life video that I have seen in some time.

00:29:18.000 So we're going to play it for the audience here and get your response on the other side.

00:29:21.000 Sot 7. 0.71

00:29:22.000 You're an advocate for abortion, for abortion policy.

00:29:25.000 What's your favorite type of abortion?

00:29:27.000 Read through a couple different methods, and I want to get your take on how much you like these. 0.98

00:29:33.000 The first type is called a suction abortion.

00:29:36.000 This is when the cervix is dilated, and a strong suction, 29 times the power of a household vacuum cleaner, tears the baby's body apart and sucks it through the hose into a container.

00:29:49.000 Do you prefer that method?

00:29:51.000 I stand by my former testimony.

00:29:53.000 This one is called dilation and curetage.

00:29:57.000 After dilation of the cervix, a sharp looped knife is inserted into the uterus.

00:30:01.000 The baby's body is cut into pieces and extracted, often by suction.

00:30:07.000 Do you prefer that method?

00:30:08.000 You don't want to talk about abortion itself.

00:30:10.000 Why is that?

00:30:11.000 I would prefer to talk about the reason that the committee called the hearings.

00:30:14.000 Is it because it's uncomfortable to talk about or should be uncomfortable?

00:30:18.000 Yeah.

00:30:20.000 I feel bad because it cut back to us chuckling at what you said, but obviously it's very horrifying what you were describing.

00:30:28.000 She didn't want to talk about it.

00:30:30.000 Most people don't want to talk about it.

00:30:31.000 And that gets at something very important.

00:30:33.000 They don't want to talk about it because it is ghastly, it's horrifying, and most importantly, it's evil.

00:30:37.000 Yeah, it is barbaric and cruel and gruesome and evil.

00:30:42.000 And, you know, if you look at the left's movement on abortion, I mean, not that long ago, the leftist mantra was abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.

00:30:51.000 Even then, they admitted by saying it should be rare that there's something wrong with abortion, there's something off about it.

00:30:58.000 But we've gotten to the point really in the last probably five or 10 years where the left's view of abortion is that this is now a positive good, this is something that should be celebrated, that we should be shouting our abortions.

00:31:10.000 I think we ought to ask them and we ought to approach abortion advocates very, very clearly and ask them if you do think that abortion is such a great thing, why don't you tell me about it?

00:31:20.000 Explain to me how this procedure, where we're crushing a little baby's skull in the womb and sucking it out with an extremely powerful vacuum cleaner, is a good thing.

00:31:29.000 Why don't you tell me about that process?

00:31:32.000 And I think if you ask them about it in a straightforward way, most of them get really uncomfortable because it's disgusting, it's sick, and it's evil, just like that lady did.

00:31:42.000 She did not want to talk about abortion as a procedure because I think even she realizes there's something wrong with it.

00:31:48.000 Yeah.

00:31:49.000 You know, you think about.

00:31:51.000 And this is something Charlie and I would talk about actually a lot is connecting these two concepts.

00:31:56.000 We don't necessarily think of immigration and abortion as connected.

00:32:00.000 But when you consider that some estimates have it that a third of Gen Z was aborted, and you think about the fact that since the passage of Roe, we're talking 60 million plus babies, Americans.

00:32:14.000 And over that time, we've probably imported about, I don't know, about a similar number.

00:32:20.000 I think it's in the 70s millions of.

00:32:22.000 Of foreigners. 0.84

00:32:24.000 And you just think, you know, did we abort an entire American generation and replace them with foreigners? 0.99

00:32:29.000 And this, you know, the fraying of the social compact and of our social trust and social cohesion. 0.98

00:32:37.000 I don't want to make this too spiritual because sometimes we go there and sometimes we're not, but it does feel like we are sort of, we've done this to ourselves.

00:32:46.000 It's a judgment that happens to a country when you allow the scourge of something so evil and diabolical to take root the way it has. 0.97

00:32:55.000 I think we certainly haven't, and the numbers you just laid out show that we did in many ways slaughter our own people and replace them with foreigners who are now having control over our elections, have control over the social contract in the United States, and we are bearing the brunt of that. 0.98

00:33:14.000 You know, abortion is one of those things that is, you know, I believe in God, and I believe that our tolerance for abortion is something that the United States is going to have to pay for. 0.93

00:33:28.000 That this is a spiritual war that we're in, that this is not, that there's something uniquely evil about butchering little babies in the womb who are entirely innocent babies that we have an obligation, not only as parents, of course, but also as a society to protect and nurture and raise in our country.

00:33:52.000 And to perversely turn that obligation on its head and so grotesquely slaughter them, I think is something the country is.

00:34:01.000 Is and it will and is paying for.

00:34:05.000 Yeah, well said, Congressman.

00:34:07.000 As we look towards November, you're one of these voices.

00:34:12.000 And the reason I say you've been on fire lately is I feel like you've done a really good job of focusing domestically.

00:34:19.000 Time and time again, the polling shows it.

00:34:22.000 They want affordability, they want us to focus domestically.

00:34:26.000 The American people are still dealing with the pricing, this expensive nature of American life.

00:34:32.000 Post Biden, the feeling is that we haven't done enough about it.

00:34:36.000 What's your view of things heading into November?

00:34:39.000 How do we narrow that generic polling gap?

00:34:42.000 How do we make sure the midterms are not a bloodbath?

00:34:45.000 Final minute to you, sir.

00:34:46.000 Well, it absolutely is about focusing on domestic issues, which, by the way, were the issues that catapulted the president to the presidency last election cycle that brought together kind of a new coalition of Republican voters.

00:35:00.000 It's because they were focused on things that impact the day to day life of the American people, like mass migration.

00:35:07.000 Like inflation, which is driven by runaway government spending, like the price of oil and the cost of living, health care, fraud.

00:35:17.000 I mean, these are something that you can see in your daily life.

00:35:20.000 And those are the issues that I think the American people are begging us to focus on in Washington.

00:35:25.000 Now, foreign policy is important.

00:35:27.000 It's extremely important.

00:35:29.000 And in the long term, it will impact our day to day lives.

00:35:32.000 But I think the American people want to know that we are focused here at home and not on large, long scale projects abroad.

00:35:40.000 And if we can do that, our ideas do win.

00:35:42.000 They beat the left every time.

00:35:44.000 That's why we won last cycle.

00:35:46.000 But I think we've got to show them that that's where our focus is.

00:35:48.000 And we've got to do that legislatively.

00:35:51.000 As well, not just from executive order. 1.00

00:35:55.000 The American people want legislation.

00:35:57.000 Congressman Brandon Gill, rising star on the right.

00:36:01.000 We're keeping a close eye on him.

00:36:02.000 Thank you, Congressman.

00:36:03.000 We'll have you on again soon.

00:36:04.000 Thanks.

00:36:07.000 We've got Sean Davis, co founder of the Federalist, CEO of the Federalist, one of the go to spots to get your news and analysis.

00:36:15.000 Sean, welcome back to the show.

00:36:17.000 Great to be back.

00:36:18.000 Thank you for having me.

00:36:19.000 Yeah, I mean, I was telling you, I've got some sort of stomach.

00:36:21.000 Bug, and apparently it's going around your family too.

00:36:24.000 So, as miserable as I am today, I can just say, Stay healthy.

00:36:29.000 You know, hug your wife, hug your kids, but maybe just not right now.

00:36:32.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:36:33.000 Like, take care of yourself, Sean.

00:36:37.000 Anyways, I'm going to give you guys an update.

00:36:39.000 And, Sean, I think it's going to roll into our first topic here.

00:36:42.000 Trump vows Iran will be blown off the face of the earth if they intervene in Project Freedom.

00:36:48.000 Obviously, President Trump of the weekend said, Project Freedom, we're going to be escorting ships through the strait.

00:36:53.000 You know, countries that have nothing to do with the conflict, that are victims of circumstance.

00:36:58.000 Iran has now, it seems, responded with strikes over at the UAE, apparently five missiles at this point.

00:37:06.000 I don't think anything's landed, but a drone did cause a fire at one facility.

00:37:13.000 Now we're getting told by CENTCOM that U.S. forces have sunk six Iranian small boats near the Strait of Hormuz.

00:37:23.000 Directly in trying to challenge Operation Freedom.

00:37:28.000 It says, CENTCON commander Admiral Brad Cooper said on the call that Iran historically has deployed between 20 and 40 small boats when harassing vessels in the strait.

00:37:37.000 Today we saw just six and eliminated them quickly.

00:37:41.000 The question is, you know, I guess more of a political one because you're a political animal here, Sean.

00:37:48.000 It's what does this mean for the president's aspirations here in Iran if we're trying to escort ships through the strait?

00:37:58.000 That are, you know, third party, neutral third party country vessels.

00:38:02.000 And Iran is still trying to act like they have military control of the strait.

00:38:07.000 Yeah, it's a real problem because we're in this kind of like, seems like we're at war, but kind of not really at war.

00:38:16.000 I would liken it to you're in the backseat with a sibling on a road trip playing the not touching, can't get mad game.

00:38:23.000 So it's enough to tick your parents off, but like not enough for them to go back there and stop the car and turn this thing around.

00:38:28.000 It's just like a very low level of annoying and really unhelpful.

00:38:33.000 It's what I'm here for.

00:38:35.000 Yeah.

00:38:36.000 And so it, but it creates this situation where we can't really say the war's over, the war's done, because the ramifications of the straight being completely jacked up is that gas is still ridiculously unaffordable.

00:38:51.000 You know, where I am, it's north of $4 a gallon.

00:38:54.000 And that's at Sam's Club, by the way, which is usually 10% to 20% cheaper than everywhere else.

00:39:01.000 It's a real, real problem for the midterms, especially when, number one, you ran on lowering gas prices and making things affordable.

00:39:09.000 And then, two, you ran on getting the economy back up and running.

00:39:11.000 And the thing about really high fuel and energy prices is that it flows through everything.

00:39:17.000 It makes everything more expensive.

00:39:19.000 Fertilizer is more expensive.

00:39:20.000 Weed killer is more expensive.

00:39:21.000 Shipping is more expensive.

00:39:23.000 So it means food, everything that has to get delivered is more expensive.

00:39:26.000 Everyone knows it.

00:39:28.000 And so, you know, my view is the sooner we get this thing wrapped up, the better.

00:39:32.000 The problem is starting wars is easy and ending them is really difficult because the enemy gets a vote. 0.86

00:39:38.000 And when it's over, and Iran has apparently just decided it's going to play the not touching can't get mad game for as long as it feels like it can sustain it. 0.87

00:39:46.000 And hope that maybe they'll get a new Congress or maybe they'll get a new president in a couple years and then they'll get everything they wanted in the first place, probably including nukes. 0.75

00:39:55.000 So we're in this weird, like, stalemate waiting game of, you know, fake chicken going on.

00:40:01.000 And I honestly, at this point, I just don't see how it ends.

00:40:05.000 So, do you think, in terms of the political costs that it's exacting, do you think what's worse, what's bigger, the sense of the direct costs, which is that?

00:40:18.000 As you say, gas prices are higher.

00:40:19.000 There seems to be some economic stuff.

00:40:22.000 The war has not been going great.

00:40:23.000 And if it started to go great or if it ended, it would recede.

00:40:27.000 Versus another trend that I think we've seen, which is people who just feel, I voted for Trump because I thought he would not go to war with Iran.

00:40:35.000 I thought he was a peace president who would avoid conflict.

00:40:38.000 And they feel let down over this, betrayed over this.

00:40:42.000 And those people conceivably might not come back even if the regime collapsed tomorrow.

00:40:46.000 How do you feel about that question?

00:40:48.000 Yeah, I feel like those are like kind of two different groups.

00:40:51.000 I think you definitely had people who were ideologically motivated or who maybe hadn't been politically involved, but they thought that Trump was going to be the guy to come in to be different and clean stuff up, whether it's Epstein, no more wars, whatever.

00:41:04.000 I think this has done significant damage, perhaps irreparable damage for Trump among that group of, I would say, probably under 30 men, not particularly that involved in politics, who were super jacked up for him.

00:41:18.000 They were probably more excited to vote for him than anyone.

00:41:21.000 They thought things were going to be different.

00:41:24.000 Now, I think that group is totally disillusioned.

00:41:26.000 I don't think they're going to go vote for Democrats.

00:41:28.000 I think they're just going to go back to not caring anymore.

00:41:31.000 So I think that was very damaging there.

00:41:34.000 I think the other group of voters you talked about, I think they can come back.

00:41:39.000 Now, I don't think the war is suddenly going to get more popular.

00:41:42.000 That's generally not how these things work.

00:41:45.000 They start out super popular, everyone rallies around the flag.

00:41:48.000 And then if you win, that's great.

00:41:50.000 We move on.

00:41:51.000 I feel like Desert Storm was a really good.

00:41:54.000 Version of this or example of it back in 1991.

00:41:57.000 Now, George H.W. Bush ended up losing because of the economy, and he had this charismatic upstart from the South and Bill Clinton.

00:42:04.000 So I don't think the war is going to become more popular.

00:42:06.000 I think the best case at this scenario is that it just kind of evaporates from the memory.

00:42:12.000 People can get back to normal.

00:42:14.000 They don't really think about it anymore, and then we're back to normal.

00:42:17.000 So I think that's the best case scenario.

00:42:19.000 I was very, very hopeful after that presidential primetime address from Trump a couple weeks ago.

00:42:24.000 That this thing was getting wrapped up, that we were going to get gas prices down quickly.

00:42:29.000 That didn't look like it was the case.

00:42:30.000 It seems to just be lingering on like a nasty stomach bug.

00:42:35.000 Oh, gosh.

00:42:36.000 Why do you got to bring that up, Sean?

00:42:39.000 You know, those are the two, I would say, constants that I hear, Sean, is that nothing's changed.

00:42:45.000 It feels like the same old, same old.

00:42:46.000 They voted for President Trump thinking that things were going to be vastly different, that there was going to be this economic revival and golden age.

00:42:55.000 And that just doesn't.

00:42:56.000 Seem for most people to have materialized, right?

00:42:59.000 It's energy costs are high now.

00:43:01.000 You have healthcare costs remain high, affordability, housing, all these things.

00:43:06.000 Ultimately, I think that is the silver bullet here is if you could get the economy back rip roaring, and it seems like that becomes then this albatross across the neck of the United States and across the Republican Party is that the Strait of Hormuz being closed is simply going to be a drag on everything.

00:43:30.000 So, can you have one without the other?

00:43:32.000 I really don't think you can.

00:43:33.000 I think that thing has to get wrapped up again with energy prices and availability being the.

00:43:39.000 Foundation of economy.

00:43:41.000 There's no short term fix to that.

00:43:42.000 Now, obviously, over time, if we do a lot more development here, we take the handcuffs off energy developers and let them go to town in America.

00:43:52.000 Over time, I think the Strait of Hormuz will probably end up being economically irrelevant for the United States.

00:43:58.000 That's not something that's going to happen before November.

00:44:00.000 It's not going to happen before 2028.

00:44:02.000 That takes years and years and years to happen.

00:44:05.000 And it takes a certain amount of consistency in government and political leadership. 0.89

00:44:09.000 So I think the only solution at this point is that the Iran war just like.

00:44:14.000 The straight needs to be fixed, and we need to be out there.

00:44:16.000 And then Trump can be laser focused on the economy and making things affordable, which we know he can do because he did it during the first term.

00:44:23.000 I did a quick scan, Sean, and everything I mean, everything from Citizen Free Press to Drudge to Breitbart to you guys it's all about the strikes that are happening.

00:44:34.000 Everybody's fearing that this is going to really destabilize global markets.

00:44:38.000 It's going to get us back into a war, a kinetic war.

00:44:44.000 It's tough to overstate.

00:44:45.000 It feels like we've been waiting on this for a while, and nobody's.

00:44:48.000 We haven't seen any big headlines for a couple weeks, really, since the blockade was announced.

00:44:53.000 The question is politically do you think that there is a way to pivot this for the president to make a win out of this?

00:45:01.000 I just want to give people hope, really, is kind of what I'm getting at, because right now the generic polling shows us down about five or six points.

00:45:10.000 We should say that.

00:45:10.000 Which is not so bad.

00:45:12.000 There's less swing districts than there ever has been before.

00:45:15.000 We've got this.

00:45:16.000 Uh, voting rights act gutting that happened by the Supreme Court.

00:45:19.000 A bunch of states are going to be redoing their maps.

00:45:21.000 Where's the hope?

00:45:22.000 I suppose.

00:45:23.000 Oh man, there's always hope.

00:45:24.000 I mean, we've got what six months roughly, which is an eternity in politics.

00:45:30.000 We have Trump has done a ton of amazing stuff, like the border is completely secured.

00:45:36.000 Um, he's going after completely fraudulent places like SPLC.

00:45:40.000 We're finally getting some accountability for Russiagate hoaxers.

00:45:43.000 Um, I think very, very good things are happening with Trump.

00:45:47.000 And so, I don't think it's all bad news, especially when you consider we still have six months.

00:45:52.000 I think the pivot just has to be we got to end stuff over there. 0.97

00:45:55.000 They need to figure out the straight so that Iran's not just taking pot shots at everyone and grinding the global economy to a halt. 0.99

00:46:03.000 And then we're actually off to the races. 0.97

00:46:05.000 And I think it's the best news, actually, for us as Republicans is that we're running against Democrats. 0.98

00:46:12.000 This party is absolutely insane.

00:46:15.000 Their big guy right now, the guy they're really excited about, is a candidate in Maine.

00:46:19.000 Who had a Nazi tattoo on his chest, which is just, you could, if you put that in a writer's room, they would make you leave because it's a little too on the nose.

00:46:28.000 But we have Democrats just being super excited about a dude with a Nazi tattoo.

00:46:33.000 They're not running on anything other than, hey, we're not Trump, we're not Republicans.

00:46:38.000 So I think if Republicans in Congress, and I actually think they're the biggest impediment right now to Republicans in Congress getting returned to Congress, it's not Trump, it's Republicans.

00:46:49.000 If they can get in there and get their acting gear and pass the Safe America Act, I think you will have a Ton of base enthusiasm.

00:46:55.000 You'll know the elections are secure.

00:46:56.000 You know, they're not going to get robbed by completely bogus mail in voting or mass illegal voting.

00:47:02.000 So I don't think it's all bad news at all.

00:47:03.000 I think we have a ton of options.

00:47:06.000 In front of us for winning this thing.

00:47:08.000 Sean, what about?

00:47:09.000 I think you're right about the Save America Act being an enthusiasm boost if we can get that over the line.

00:47:13.000 I don't see a lot of hope for it outside of maybe a reconciliation pass if they can figure out how to get that through the Senate parliamentarian.

00:47:21.000 But what about mass deportations?

00:47:24.000 Now, if you go and talk to your average base activist, they'll say something.

00:47:29.000 If you see this on X or whatever, now we don't even get mass deportations or whatever.

00:47:33.000 You talk to Tom Homan, he disagrees with you on that.

00:47:35.000 But what is your feeling about the.

00:47:39.000 Administration's posture towards that.

00:47:41.000 I'm a big believer that we need to keep hammering that.

00:47:44.000 I don't care that it riles up the left.

00:47:46.000 It also riles up our base.

00:47:47.000 And this is a turnout election.

00:47:49.000 And so we want mass deportations. 1.00

00:47:51.000 There's way too many illegals in this country. 1.00

00:47:53.000 What's your take on that? 0.96

00:47:54.000 And do you see the, are you concerned that the administration is wavering in their stance?

00:47:59.000 I think there's definitely an internal battle going on within the administration.

00:48:04.000 I think Homan has always been representative of the let's get rid of the worst of the worst type.

00:48:11.000 Point of view.

00:48:11.000 I think Stephen Miller probably, Greg Bavino, who's no longer there, I think we're probably among the no, no, no.

00:48:17.000 If they're illegal, they all need to go.

00:48:19.000 Point of view.

00:48:20.000 So I think the battle is there is still going on.

00:48:24.000 I think the numbers need to go up.

00:48:26.000 So whether you look at it and you're like, well, we've had too many mass deportations or the optics are bad, the numbers need to go up.

00:48:33.000 Okay. 0.94

00:48:34.000 So America does not belong to people who came here illegally, to people who are getting illegal benefits, to people who are driving up housing costs. 0.99

00:48:41.000 To people who are driving up food costs, America does not belong to them.

00:48:44.000 It belongs to Americans and their posterity.

00:48:46.000 So I think whatever is required to get those numbers up, we in the Bay should be demanding.

00:48:51.000 I mean, I remember watching that convention in 2024 and seeing the signs that said mass deportations now.

00:48:56.000 That was a big part of Trump's poll.

00:49:00.000 The immigration stuff has always been kind of his North Star. 0.93

00:49:04.000 Even going back to before 2015, before he was ever running for president, this was a guy who wanted better trade deals and he wanted the illegals out of America. 0.87

00:49:13.000 And so I don't think the battle is over for that within the administration. 0.52

00:49:18.000 I do think kind of the home in, let's focus on the worst of the worst.

00:49:22.000 I think that side does have the upper hand at the moment. 0.57

00:49:27.000 Do you get any indication on where Secretary Molin stands in this?

00:49:31.000 Oh, I think he's a problem.

00:49:33.000 I think he's a problem.

00:49:35.000 I never in a million years thought I would say this because I was not a big fan of her at all.

00:49:40.000 I think Noam was a better DHS secretary, I think she was a better fit for it.

00:49:44.000 Mullen, unfortunately, I think is a little squishy on it.

00:49:48.000 I don't think he's particularly concerned with mass deportation.

00:49:51.000 He probably sides a lot more with the so called business community that just wants cheap, free labor.

00:49:58.000 So I think Mullen's a problem, absolutely.

00:50:01.000 Sean, I want to, and I'm going to hold out hope on Mullen, but your sentiment is shared by many.

00:50:08.000 I want to throw this graphic up.

00:50:09.000 This is from End Wokeness, and he did a graph comparing estimated illegal population.

00:50:15.000 Per state, which is that purplish blue bar.

00:50:18.000 And then the red bar is Trump's 2024 margin of victory.

00:50:22.000 So if you look at Texas, this is why we need mass deportations. 0.89

00:50:25.000 You've got 2.9 million illegals. 0.60

00:50:28.000 Trump won that state by 1.5 million votes.

00:50:30.000 In Florida, there's 1.5 million illegals.

00:50:33.000 Trump won that state by 1.4 million.

00:50:36.000 So in state after state, Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Nevada, there are far more illegal immigrants in those states than Trump's margin of victory.

00:50:45.000 And if you want to see what their The Democrats' plans are in one single graph, that's the graph.

00:50:51.000 Sean Davis from The Federalist, thank you, my friend.

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00:52:10.000 So we have a new guest on the show.

00:52:12.000 I'm excited to get to know her, but this story that her org has published is just eye watering, the stats.

00:52:20.000 We've been kind of zeroing in.

00:52:21.000 There's been a little bit of a repeat theme on the show, Blake, about teachers' unions and what these public schools are doing, especially their unions.

00:52:28.000 It's really like we have an activist, a well funded activist, communist basically, core of this country, and they're diverting tons of money.

00:52:39.000 Here to help us explain that is Nikki Neely.

00:52:43.000 She's The founder and I believe she's the founder and CEO.

00:52:49.000 Yes, founder and president.

00:52:50.000 There you go.

00:52:50.000 Defending Education.

00:52:51.000 You can check them out at defendinged.org.

00:52:54.000 Nikki Neely, welcome to the show.

00:52:55.000 For having me.

00:52:57.000 Yeah, so this just blew my mind.

00:52:59.000 I saw this report on Fox, but if you add up, this is what you guys came up with: is that if you add up the NEA and the AFT, the two biggest teachers' unions in the country, then you look at their national spend as well as their local, state, Affiliates, they have been pumping over a billion dollars into political causes since 2015.

00:53:23.000 So basically, in one decade, they've spent over a billion dollars trying to push this country to the left.

00:53:30.000 Tell us what you discovered in this research.

00:53:32.000 Yeah, we went through publicly available documents.

00:53:35.000 All unions, which are basically a highly regulated industry, have to file these forms at the federal level, at the state level.

00:53:40.000 And so the numbers speak for themselves.

00:53:42.000 I mean, these are dues that have been taken out of the pockets, out of the salaries of hardworking teachers.

00:53:48.000 Many of whom likely do not know that this is how their money is being spent, nor agree with some of the spending.

00:53:53.000 I mean, but this is hundreds of millions of dollars, you know, 670, I think, at the federal level, about 340 at the local level, being spent on garbage priorities.

00:54:03.000 I mean, some of these things that we found $106 million through the California Teachers Association PACs, $32 million to Senate Majority PAC.

00:54:12.000 That's the left of center one, of course.

00:54:14.000 $25 million to the House Majority PAC.

00:54:16.000 And now that we're staring down the barrel of this highly contested, super important midterm, The fact that they are taking money out of the pockets of teachers to go and advance their priorities, elect their people, is something that's horrifying.

00:54:27.000 I mean, Trevor Project, Planned Parenthood, it is a laundry list of the worst of the worst of the hard left progressive activists.

00:54:35.000 Jeez.

00:54:36.000 So I just, I kind of have like a big overarching question where we know that these values don't align with, let's say, 50% of the country, probably more though.

00:54:45.000 The Trevor Project, of course, like these are sexualizing young kids, they're pro trans, they're gender mutilation, all this stuff. 0.86

00:54:54.000 Just force feeding LGBTQ propaganda down our throats.

00:54:59.000 Why are we putting up with this? 1.00

00:55:02.000 Yeah.

00:55:02.000 I mean, I think a lot of this is just that teachers don't know, right?

00:55:04.000 The money is deducted and they assume that this is going to go towards negotiating with their district for better hours, for more support in the classroom, for more money to go towards classroom supplies.

00:55:14.000 They don't know that this is how their money is being used against them.

00:55:17.000 And this really is a weaponization of their dues.

00:55:20.000 You know, a couple of years ago, we had that Supreme Court decision in Janice where union dues were no longer automatically deducted.

00:55:26.000 But I think still a lot of union members don't know that they can opt out of some of these things.

00:55:30.000 And, you know, would they spend their money better?

00:55:32.000 Would they use it to support a candidate that they align with, a nonprofit?

00:55:36.000 Profit they align with, probably.

00:55:37.000 Do they expect that over a million and a half dollars would go towards Bill and Hillary Clinton through the Clinton Global Initiative, the Clinton Victory Fund, and the Bill and Clinton Foundation?

00:55:47.000 Almost certainly not.

00:55:48.000 The NAACP, $2.8 million.

00:55:51.000 Like these are organizations that have been putting a false narrative about American parents and teachers and our country forward for the past decade.

00:56:00.000 And this is how it's being spent.

00:56:01.000 Nikki, I have a question about that Janice decision.

00:56:04.000 So I know some of the people that were hard at work behind the scenes on that.

00:56:07.000 It was a huge.

00:56:08.000 Landmark ruling.

00:56:10.000 I'm just curious though, if you're a teacher in a public school union, would you opt out or would there be social consequences, right?

00:56:19.000 If your union understands that you're not on the team, couldn't that end up negatively impacting your career prospects?

00:56:27.000 Yes, I think that's right.

00:56:28.000 I think there has been a little bit of fear mongering going on.

00:56:31.000 We also then saw in 2018, 2019, in the wake of the decision, unions make the decision to, all right, well, we can't automatically take the dues out.

00:56:38.000 We'll just run union members in school board elections.

00:56:42.000 So, that they will then approve the collective bargaining agreements that we want.

00:56:45.000 And that's why my organization has tracked collective bargaining agreements in places like Minnesota and places like Colorado, California, where it's race based hiring, it's race based promotion.

00:56:56.000 I mean, nakedly illegal things.

00:56:58.000 But when you have a bunch of yes men that you've elected and put a ton of money behind, I mean, I'm from Chicago originally.

00:57:03.000 That's why we have Brandon Johnson right now, because the Chicago Teachers Union got out the vote the day of, and that made all the difference. 0.92

00:57:09.000 They're not stupid, they're wickedly smart, and they are horrifyingly effective.

00:57:13.000 It really is one of the most underappreciated sources of dysfunction in American life, which is a very large pool of employees. 0.95

00:57:23.000 They're publicly unionized, they're public, they're negotiating with elected officials.

00:57:28.000 And so in city after city, they can be the biggest political heft to get someone elected.

00:57:33.000 And then they're not negotiating with an adversary, they're negotiating with someone who is dependent on them.

00:57:39.000 And it's utterly wrecked city after city.

00:57:42.000 And I think this got talked about by Republicans a bit more.

00:57:45.000 A decade ago, but the problem never really went away.

00:57:48.000 It's actually gotten significantly worse.

00:57:50.000 Yeah.

00:57:50.000 And, you know, while teachers' unions don't speak for all teachers, clearly, I mean, you look at sort of the number of actual teachers that are enrolled in these unions, that number has been declining.

00:57:59.000 People have been neglecting to, you know, declining to join.

00:58:02.000 They have been stepping away, but they have been able, the unions have been able to kind of maintain the size, the top level numbers, because they now encourage paraprofessionals to join.

00:58:10.000 They encourage parents to join.

00:58:12.000 They are trying to make money however they can.

00:58:14.000 And we have access to a lot of union documents, their training materials, different webinars, et cetera, that they offer.

00:58:20.000 We have obtained a ton of emails from union members through public records requests.

00:58:24.000 They are the disinformation superhighway, spouting all this anti Americanism, the anti ICE walkouts, the anti Semitism.

00:58:31.000 That's how it's getting from coast to coast into some of these small towns.

00:58:35.000 And they still have a boatload of money to play with, which is horrifying.

00:58:39.000 Yeah.

00:58:39.000 You know, I recently moved to Arizona where Governor Ducey passed the school choice bill, you know, before Hobbs was in.

00:58:49.000 And I will tell you, I didn't appreciate this before I started putting my own kids through school, but it feels like, at least in Arizona, and I'm sure there's things I don't understand or I'm not aware about, but it feels like it has defanged the power of the public school teachers' unions in a pretty profound way because there is actual choice.

00:59:10.000 You've got this spirit of entrepreneurialism in the private school area, right?

00:59:17.000 There's a school voucher, $7,500 a year.

00:59:20.000 So a lot of these schools charge around that.

00:59:23.000 To put your kid in those schools.

00:59:25.000 But there's classical education schools.

00:59:27.000 There's kind of hybrid schools.

00:59:30.000 There's all kinds of new options bubbling up outside of the public school monopoly that used to be here.

00:59:39.000 And I just can't help but think if you could somehow get that kind of a law passed nationwide, that you would absolutely defang the power that Randy Weingarten is exerting over our politics and our students.

00:59:53.000 And you see this Mayday walkout, we covered it in hour one.

00:59:56.000 Where they're encouraging activism and sign making from like kindergartners to go protest ice.

01:00:02.000 Yeah, and I just want to flag this actually because this is an example.

01:00:06.000 So they had a, they canceled schools in a bunch of cities in North Carolina last Friday because they were walking to Raleigh to protest.

01:00:12.000 And their list of demands from the people, these unionized teachers who are marching, is spend $20,000 per student, which one has no connection to how strong education is.

01:00:24.000 In fact, it's inverted, if anything.

01:00:26.000 And two is really just, Pay us more.

01:00:28.000 They demand a 25% raise for all school employees.

01:00:31.000 They demand to eliminate all school choice.

01:00:34.000 Looking out for the kids here, eliminate school choice.

01:00:37.000 And then they also demand fair maps.

01:00:39.000 So they want to pass, they want to gerrymander the state in a more left wing direction, protect voting rights, restore checks and balances in state government.

01:00:48.000 And so basically, they throw in, give us more money.

01:00:52.000 We'll say it's for the kids, but then get rid of school choice and also elect more Democrats.

01:00:56.000 So just think about this.

01:00:58.000 A bunch of adults go tell a bunch of kids to walk out and demand more money.

01:01:01.000 And they canceled school, which you as a taxpayer have to pay for, even if you don't use those schools.

01:01:06.000 You were paying for activism.

01:01:08.000 We give a lot of attention to Soros and Neville Singham and all these guys that were behind some of this in some ways, but this is your tax dollars subsidizing the radicalization of a whole generation.

01:01:20.000 Nikki, your thoughts.

01:01:21.000 These are our children, right?

01:01:22.000 I mean, they are enlisting my children as human soldiers in their social justice war, which is entirely inappropriate.

01:01:29.000 So, to your earlier point, I think, yes, choice.

01:01:32.000 Makes everything better.

01:01:34.000 It makes the public schools better because they know families will vote with their feet.

01:01:37.000 They will be out and they will lose out on that per pupil funding if they are not sticking to the plot.

01:01:42.000 And so I think this is the kind of thing, thank goodness for President Trump adding that federal school choice tax credit into the big beautiful bill, because this is going to put a lot of pressure on public schools.

01:01:51.000 Get in line or you're going to lose everybody altogether.

01:01:53.000 Nikki, I would love for your insights on this.

01:01:55.000 And you mentioned President Trump's executive order on this, but school choice, you said that parents will vote with their feet.

01:02:02.000 And I totally agree.

01:02:03.000 You see that in Interstate migration from blue states to red states.

01:02:07.000 You see that anytime people are given freedom, they leave dysfunction and head for, you know, function, basically.

01:02:15.000 They leave chaos and they head for order.

01:02:17.000 Wouldn't we see that on the national level with schools if parents were given more choice?

01:02:23.000 And it's very telling that these teachers' unions are fighting tooth and nail to block that.

01:02:28.000 Yes, exactly.

01:02:29.000 You would exactly, you would completely see families leave.

01:02:31.000 And that's why, I mean, looking, digging into some of these spending numbers, $7.5 million spent to oppose choice in Kentucky.

01:02:39.000 $4.5 million to oppose choice in Nebraska, $4 million to oppose choice in Maine.

01:02:44.000 I mean, this is what they want.

01:02:45.000 They want a captured audience that they can siphon money out of.

01:02:48.000 And frankly, I mean, clearly that they can adopt our children because schools have not.

01:02:53.000 I mean, before the pandemic as well as after, they have our children, you know, your parents, you know, they have our kids for seven or eight hours a day.

01:02:59.000 Are they spending that time making up the COVID inspired learning loss or the learning loss forced by school closures because of the unions?

01:03:07.000 No, they are spending in identity politics.

01:03:08.000 They're spending on big feelings and social emotional learning.

01:03:11.000 And so our kids are not learning reading, writing, and arithmetic.

01:03:14.000 They are learning about marching.

01:03:15.000 They are learning about abortion. 0.55

01:03:16.000 They are learning that they were born in the wrong body.

01:03:18.000 They are learning everything but.

01:03:19.000 And that is the reason that families want to leave.

01:03:22.000 So it's, I mean, the fact that they are trying to keep our kids there and consign them to a lifetime of failure to me is disgusting.

01:03:29.000 Yeah.

01:03:29.000 And you said here that, you know, this should dispel the myth that, you know, unions basically have the best interests of the students in mind.

01:03:39.000 I think this is very clear.

01:03:40.000 It's a whole racket and we're funding it.

01:03:44.000 It just feels to me like if people understood that this is essentially a one party system, that Democrats run your public education.

01:03:53.000 In this country, I mean, we've got to fix this.

01:03:56.000 I think more fundamentally than anything, like this feels like one of those root cause issues in the country.

01:04:01.000 But, like you said, so much of the dysfunction comes directly from this point.

01:04:05.000 I completely agree.

01:04:06.000 So, the question then is, Nikki, what do we do about it?

01:04:09.000 Yeah, I think the president's federal school choice tax credit is a great starting point.

01:04:14.000 Right now, we're watching pressure being put on a lot of Democrat governors who have not signed into the program to actually join.

01:04:19.000 I mean, they are leaving money on the table.

01:04:21.000 We have children who will be able to attend private school more easily in states like Florida and Virginia.

01:04:26.000 Where those governors have signed on, but not in New York, not in Illinois, not in California.

01:04:31.000 Why would you do that to the poorest children who are most in need of a solid education?

01:04:35.000 What are the details in that school choice?

01:04:38.000 How does it work and how much money is available to parents if their governor signs on?

01:04:42.000 Yeah, so the governor signs on, and then there will be scholarship granting organizations that will be approved by the states.

01:04:49.000 Those rules are being sorted out by Treasury right now, but families will be able to go to a scholarship granting organization.

01:04:56.000 And it is important also that families will be able to put money in.

01:05:00.000 Even if they don't have children, other people will be able to put money in.

01:05:03.000 If they say, you know what, I want kids in my state to be able to have a better opportunity, a better education.

01:05:08.000 So we're going to look at having these scholarship granting organizations sitting on hundreds of millions of dollars, billions of dollars, and being able to give those out to students who are most needy.

01:05:16.000 And so I think, you know, the original plan that was passed in the big, beautiful bill was relatively modest.

01:05:22.000 But as we have seen in states like Arizona, even when it's only a few thousand dollars, the school market adjusts accordingly.

01:05:28.000 And so, you know, will it be easy to, will you have enough cash to send a kid to $60,000 a year or two?

01:05:35.000 You know, a super Tony private school?

01:05:38.000 No, but will you have $8,000 that will almost completely offset the cost of your Catholic school or Jewish day school tuition?

01:05:44.000 Yes, you will.

01:05:46.000 And I think with that pressure, with knowing that families are going to be able to find other alternatives, it puts a huge amount of pressure on public schools to rein in their crazy a little bit, for principals to know what their teachers are teaching, for teachers to say, is this the kind of classroom lesson that would create a firestorm and make a lot of families step out of the program or leave the school altogether?

01:06:06.000 So I think it really starts to impose significant discipline.

01:06:09.000 Even without money.

01:06:10.000 That's such a good point.

01:06:12.000 That's such a good point.

01:06:13.000 The competition, just providing competition, will force public schools to get a little less crazy because they understand that they're going to create a PR nightmare, optics nightmare.

01:06:22.000 Parents will leave, they'll vote with their feet, and then they lose money.

01:06:26.000 It helps a bit.

01:06:27.000 And another thing, I think the key point of movement in obviously blue states, we're limited in what we can do, but in every red state, you can set a lot of policies.

01:06:36.000 You can limit collective bargaining or entirely abolish it.

01:06:40.000 You can also, and this is worth mentioning, a lot of these, if cities are being completely captured by these teacher cabals, you can just scale back the independence of cities. 0.91

01:06:51.000 Red states can basically do whatever they want with their cities. 0.98

01:06:54.000 And it's an underrated power for them to utilize.

01:06:56.000 Yeah, I mean, you've seen Abbott do that a little bit.

01:06:58.000 100%.

01:06:59.000 And Florida's done it.

01:07:00.000 You want to, we view our red states as the laboratories for why our system of government works.

01:07:05.000 We've really been laying that out over the past few years where we've seen endless people leave blue states.

01:07:11.000 Move to red states, immediately start complaining that it's not a blue state.

01:07:14.000 But they're making, they're voting with their feet, and we can really, we want the Trump administration to do what it can.

01:07:22.000 We want what we can get in blue states.

01:07:24.000 But the number one place to take action is a red state. 0.88

01:07:26.000 You should be lobbying your legislatures, lobbying your governors to make sure we don't let this cabal take over and ruin things because they can kill a city.

01:07:35.000 They can kill a state if they're left unchecked.

01:07:38.000 Yeah, and I want to give a shout out to Turning Point Academy, Turning Point Education.

01:07:41.000 We're working with.

01:07:42.000 Schools all across the country to help them, especially private schools, classical education schools, Christian schools, to fight back against this teacher cabal.

01:07:53.000 I mean, Randy Weingartner, I mean, she's a total radical.

01:07:56.000 These people that run this, I mean, and we had a guest on recently, Nikki, where they were talking about how the teachers' unions are basically working against teachers reporting sexual abuse in classrooms, the right to know they're fighting these things.

01:08:11.000 It's gotten too insane.

01:08:13.000 This stuff is so destructive to our culture and our country.

01:08:16.000 So, I really appreciate the work that you're doing at your org, Defending Ed.

01:08:21.000 Like, tell us about it.

01:08:22.000 Last minute here, how can people follow you and get involved?

01:08:24.000 Our website is defendinged.org.

01:08:26.000 We've been around for five years.

01:08:27.000 So, we attract all of the woke stuff in education.

01:08:30.000 We started out in K 12, we extended last year into higher ed.

01:08:33.000 I used to work with you guys a long time ago when I ran a campus free speech group.

01:08:36.000 So, it's so fun.

01:08:37.000 I mean, you know, the problems that we're seeing on campus are not staying on campus, they're trickling down to K 12 schools, be it the bad curriculum, the critical race theory that we're seeing in colleges of education now is manifesting in K 12.

01:08:48.000 But also at the same time, bad problems in K 12, lack of civics education, hatred of our country.

01:08:54.000 That is showing up on college campuses, too.

01:08:56.000 So we have a tip line.

01:08:58.000 We encourage people to send us information.

01:09:00.000 They can do so anonymously.

01:09:01.000 We love to file public records requests.

01:09:03.000 I also love to sue universities and school districts.

01:09:05.000 So we regularly file civil rights complaints.

01:09:07.000 You know, there's no rest for the wicked, but we're always happy to anonymize and protect families who come to us with information.

01:09:13.000 That's great.

01:09:14.000 DefendingEd.org, check it out.

01:09:16.000 Nikki Neely, thank you for your time today and thank you for the research.

01:09:19.000 Blown the lid on a billion dollars spent on far left political causes.

01:09:27.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 04, 2026

Back To War? + The Teacher Union Menace

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