Dr. Larry Arn is the President of Hillsdale College and a great friend of Charlie's. Dr. Arn and Charlie have been friends for a long time and have been through a lot together. He has a great perspective on what it means to be a liberal in the 21st century and what it takes to live up to the expectations of the progressive dream. He is also a student at Hillsdale and has been involved with the pro-American student organization, Turning Point USA, since the early 1980s.
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00:01:09.000All right, hour two is underway at the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:12.000We are honored by the presence of a great man, great patriot, great friend of Charlie's and turning point, and that is the president of Hillsdale College, Dr. Larry Arn.
00:01:24.000Honored, as always, to have you, to have your friendship and your partnership, and to have your thoughts when it comes to this show, because we are sort of a news of the day.
00:01:33.000We cover these changing themes, the world events.
00:01:36.000And one of the things that we were talking about in hour one was you sort of have two storylines that I think are going to prove tectonic.
00:01:48.000You have Virginia is now Democrat-run.
00:02:16.000And it might be easy for us to sort of blackpill on this.
00:02:21.000And I guess there is a question, you know, a larger question overarching all of this, which is, are liberal Western democracies prone or is it inevitable this slide into a malaise, into leftism?
00:02:35.000So there's a lot there, Dr. Arn, but you're the only one I could think of that could handle all of those questions all at once.
00:02:53.000One of the themes you learn if you study the very great Winston Churchill is it's not trends that matter, it's choices.
00:03:01.000And you just think of the amazing reversals that have happened in the world.
00:03:06.000I mean, Trump is such a reversal, right?
00:03:08.000It's the reason he's hated because remember, these movements, China is part of the movement, and the European Union is part of the movement.
00:03:17.000And the liberalism in Western liberal democracies, it's progressivism, and that's part of that's an offshoot of German historicism.
00:03:26.000And its thought is history is going somewhere.
00:03:31.000We can know what that is, and we can serve it.
00:03:35.000And where it's going is the transformation of everything under our control.
00:04:08.000And it's the only promise because we now know, by the way, that we don't really know anything objectively, and we know that there is no God.
00:04:20.000And so the old idea of the laws of nature and nature's God, they reject that.
00:04:27.000And so this is their effort to give meaning to lives that they think fundamentally don't have any.
00:05:59.000When Donald Trump says drain the swamp, he says something revolutionary.
00:06:04.000He's talking about, I even think he knows it, but it certainly is what it means.
00:06:11.000He's talking about returning to a form of government that is more limited, that is more local, and that places responsibility in individual hands and community hands.
00:06:25.000If you just take a snapshot of the government of the United States anytime before 1930 and compare it to a snapshot today, you will see that the government is much larger as a percentage of the economy.
00:06:37.000It's gone since 1930, it's gone from 12% to 51%.
00:06:58.000So we have a centralized form employing millions of people with interest and groups wedded to it, including lots of economic interest, but all kinds of interest.
00:07:12.000And it gets its moral energy from this thing, we can recreate the world.
00:07:21.000I just talked about Charlie's children, and you just talked about a bill that sex is not natural, is what it says.
00:07:30.000But come to find out, every living person comes from that process, and it took two.
00:07:38.000Now, pretty soon, I wouldn't be surprised, if we don't get the ability to manufacture people, then we will further look at people as manufactured items instead of Creatures blessed with divine reason.
00:08:17.000And C.S. Lewis, it will frighten you to death because it just shows that this effort.
00:08:27.000I mean, what is distinctive about Adolf Hitler?
00:08:31.000He's the first person to build a modern factory for the slaughter and processing of human beings and a transportation system to go with it.
00:09:16.000It's like, I've been saying this for years, and I believe it right now.
00:09:20.000The great crises in American history are the Revolutionary War, one by the skin of our teeth, and the Civil War, one by the skin of our teeth, and this one.
00:09:28.000And we don't know how it's going to come out.
00:09:30.000But the reason I think that is because the Declaration of Independence presents a view of nature that is universal and eternal and says that we have our rights under that, never rightly to be taken away.
00:10:38.000President Trump walked into a catch-22 when taking office.
00:10:41.000Do nothing, and America would be staring at a ticking debt bomb, the kind of crisis that could cripple our future.
00:10:46.000Instead, he's taken action with strong policies to slow the train and buy us some time.
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00:11:41.000You feared, or at least proposed, that one of the most logical outcomes was that Europe was going to go with China.
00:13:04.000A little bit like the way children learned in Germany for a long time in Europe.
00:13:12.000And the people seem a little too ready to put up with a lot out of their government, but on the other hand, tens of millions of them have been killed by the government, and so they got reasons.
00:13:21.000And they make a pretty good living these days, better than they used to.
00:13:32.000Is it real accountability of the government to the people?
00:13:37.000They have enormous powers, but people are elected from all those many countries to run a parliament, and people don't go and vote in those elections because they don't really feel part of it.
00:13:52.000And so, I mean, there's a guy named Daniel Hannan who was a very good member of the European Parliament, and Nigel Farage was a member for a while too.
00:14:00.000And just read them, read their speeches there about how this is not really a sensible, a sense, a system of accountability to the people.
00:16:14.000He said, Poland has it and won't share.
00:16:20.000And we're an elected government, and we need prosperity, and we got to trade.
00:16:25.000And who is around for us to trade with?
00:16:29.000There's the European Union, of which we're part, and which fines us a million dollars a week, I think, or a day for our immigration policies.
00:16:46.000So China is this third more distant party.
00:16:49.000And this guy, who's got no sympathy whatsoever with communism, thinks it's an achievement to get the belt and road in Hungary as it is in Poland.
00:17:55.000And, you know, it could be that, you know, and what the hope is, and what the expectation is, by the way, in the official press, is he's peaking right now.
00:18:31.000That means, but see, I don't, you know, it's a very good idea to study Winston Churchill because you'll be quick to see that it might be a desperate situation and quick to see that's why we're here.
00:18:50.000And unfortunately, maybe quick to see that even the most heroic figure, there's no permanent wins and there's no permanent defeats.
00:18:57.000So Winston Churchill did save Britain, but we have to cover Britain all the time now.
00:19:01.000And there's a new problem where I don't think Churchill would have ever thought that Islam taking over Britain was a likely future for his country, yet there are people who fought in that war who now have to see that happening.
00:19:16.000Well, my wife's father was left Dunkirk Beach the last day anybody did.
00:19:22.000Then he was in Singapore and he was captured by the Japanese and became a POW of the Japanese.
00:20:16.000Thomas Jefferson, who was a very great man and also once in a while kind of a ding bat, he writes a letter to James Madison, his friend, close colleague, and says, Madison is getting ready to help write the Constitution of what became the Constitution of the United States.
00:20:37.000And Jefferson writes and says that every contract and every law, including this Constitution you're writing, should sunset every human generation, every 33 years.
00:20:51.000The earth belongs to the living, he says.
00:20:54.000And Madison writes him back and says, you know, it actually is a specific function of the Constitution to set up an institution that prevails across generations.
00:21:06.000And Jefferson did what he commonly did.
00:21:08.000He wrote back and said, yeah, I guess you're right.
00:21:11.000But the truth is, we should, first of all, we need to preserve our institutions.
00:21:17.000They're the longest surviving written Constitution in all of human history, and it has worked.
00:22:10.000What it was was an argument, was a policy in the Senate only, that if you've got something pertinent to say, we don't vote till everybody said it.
00:22:24.000That means you've got to be on the floor talking, and it's got to be pertinent.
00:22:28.000This has been an absolute treat, Dr. Arne.
00:24:36.000And we have a 250-year birthday that you are taking part in directly.
00:24:43.000You're consulting the Commission, and you guys have videos you're doing with the White House.
00:24:48.000I meant to get into more of that, but we went into some deep waters.
00:24:51.000But I think that was so important, Dr. Arn, especially setting up that first piece of what makes America's philosophical starting point so distinct from the European starting point and how that still plays out in our geopolitics and in our trade and in immigration.
00:25:07.000I think that was really important, Dr. Arne.
00:25:13.000And one other thing I learned from Hillsdale, and this is from the Constitution Course, is that our system intentionally sets up power to be spread out over geography and over time.
00:27:48.000And you highlighted the fact that we have potentially a million, million point five CCP citizens, so Chinese citizens that are going to be eligible to vote in 2028, 2030, and beyond.
00:28:03.000Yeah, you know, we've been having this necessary conversation about immigration policy in America, but we really look at it primarily through the lens of the economy, crime on our streets, et cetera.
00:28:16.000This book is about the weaponization of migration and how foreign governments and adversaries have weaponized our immigration system.
00:28:23.000And what you're referring to is in the case of China, how they are using so-called birthright citizenship, and they've created a model on an industrial scale to, I argue, subvert the country.
00:28:38.000Well, birthright citizenship, of course, is the idea that if you are born in the United States, you get automatic citizenship.
00:28:46.000It doesn't matter if your parents walked across the border, if your parents were here on vacation, you give birth here, you're an American citizen.
00:28:53.000Our federal government has absolutely no idea how many people do this every year because when you get a birth certificate in the United States, they don't ask for the citizenship of the parents.
00:29:05.000They don't have any of that information.
00:29:07.000So we literally have no clue how much this has been happening in the country.
00:29:12.000What I point out is that the Chinese do.
00:29:14.000The Chinese have actually tracked and have pretty strong estimates on how many Chinese nationals have done this in the United States.
00:29:22.000And the number, at least to me, is absolutely shocking.
00:29:26.000The Chinese government says over the last 13 years, roughly 100,000 Chinese nationals have done this a year over the course of the last 13 years.
00:29:36.000So you're talking about a million, more than a million people.
00:30:27.000And we are completely oblivious that this is going on.
00:30:30.000Peter, so they've run these ads, yeah, these advertisements basically in the People's Daily about it.
00:30:36.000Do we see any evidence of them building up any plan, for example, to encourage them to using this in a strategic way?
00:30:46.000Like, for example, deploying these Chinese citizens in specific states to swing specific elections?
00:30:52.000Or are they just, are they sort of passively encouraging this, or are they seeing the direct uses of individual, of these voter blobs in specific elections?
00:31:13.000You also have this large industry that the Chinese government allows to operate whereby there are agencies, primarily in California, that say to CCP officials, pay us $50,000.
00:31:26.000We'll teach you how to get into the United States.
00:31:29.000We will set you up at a nice place to stay.
00:31:59.000So, the wave of this is going to start hitting in 2028, 2030.
00:32:04.000So, that's when we're first going to see this instituted.
00:32:08.000And there's another side of this, guys.
00:32:10.000There's the Chinese nationals that fly here, give birth, and get citizenship that way.
00:32:16.000There's the added problem, and this really sounds like out of science fiction, but it's true, involving surrogacy.
00:32:23.000And these are Chinese nationals, men, who donate their sperm.
00:32:27.000They find a carrier, as they call it, a woman in the United States, to conceive the child, carry the child.
00:32:35.000Then that child is taken back to China, where again, they've got U.S. citizenship.
00:32:40.000In this case, they're born to an American mother, but they are raised by the father and/or parents back in China.
00:32:47.000Again, we have no idea how often this takes place.
00:32:51.000What we do know is, based on our research, that in Southern California alone, there are 107 Chinese-owned surrogacy companies that are doing this.
00:33:02.000So, you can imagine the scale that we might be dealing with here.
00:33:05.000I want to repeat one of these facts because I think people might underestimate how this is.
00:33:09.000There's Xu Bo is one of these Chinese billionaires.
00:33:14.000He is, I think it's a mobile gaming company that he created.
00:33:18.000He is reported to have more than 100 biological children born through these surrogates.
00:33:26.000According to the Wall Street, the Wall Street Journal.
00:33:29.000He supposedly seeks to have at least 50 high-quality sons who can take over businesses, his businesses, and I guess American businesses as well.
00:33:39.000There's a certain kind of insane maximalism you can see with some of these Chinese billionaires, dozens, hundreds of kids.
00:33:45.000It's interesting too, Peter, because I was just following somebody who researches fertility rates.
00:33:51.000And actually, China's fertility rate is collapsing, which is a fascinating parallel story that's going on here.
00:33:58.000This particular researcher puts it at about 0.93 per couple, which is far, far below replacement level.
00:34:05.000Obviously, they're having as many children in China as they were in 1776.
00:34:10.000That was sort of the big headline from so you got to go back hundreds of years to get this level of fertility, which is collapsing.
00:34:19.000It's collapsing around the world, but especially in China.
00:34:22.000So, it's interesting that simultaneous with that, you have this move of birth tourism to create U.S. citizen, Chinese CCP-trained U.S. citizens.
00:34:30.000So, it's just I don't know what to make of that exactly, but it is a fascinating detail.
00:34:37.000And it relates to the decision that the Chinese government made to have this one China policy, which they finally lifted just about 10 years ago.
00:34:46.000It was enacted in 1980, and it basically said they were fearful of overpopulation.
00:34:51.000So, they told people in China, you can only have one child because we need to limit population growth in China.
00:34:58.000Well, if you tell a largely rural peasant community that you can only have one child, they want to have a boy.
00:35:07.000They want a strong boy who can do all the farm work.
00:35:10.000So, what has happened in China is you have this massive demographic disparity where you have literally several hundred million men between the age of say 30 and 45 that have no prospects of finding a Chinese woman because they were all aborted with this one child policy.
00:35:30.000So, the surrogacy program and the program of Finding an American carrier, a woman, to carry your child, get citizenship for them, bring them back to China.
00:35:42.000And then, by the way, when your child, who's a U.S. citizen, turns 18, they can get you as the parent permanent resident status.
00:35:52.000But the bottom line is: this is a direct consequence of the policies that they carried out with the One China policy.
00:35:58.000And what's troubling is: what do you do with a situation like a country like China that is having these demographic problems, which may have economic problems in the future, that is creating this large reservoir of people living in their own country who can vote in American elections that could be subject to coercion, threats, et cetera?
00:36:19.000It's an enormous problem that we have not even paid attention to.
00:36:23.000That's one of the reasons I wrote the book.
00:36:25.000Well, you know, it kind of begs the question because we're going to be doing oral arguments on the birthright citizenship case in front of the Supreme Court.
00:36:33.000That's going to be happening in spring, so April timeframe.
00:36:38.000And then probably a decision in summer.
00:36:41.000But then if you know that the system is being rigged, it's being manipulated by Chinese birth tourists, or maybe other countries are involved.
00:36:53.000You know, you think of the anchor baby phenomenon is usually a Latin American thing.
00:36:56.000But listen, if you know that the system is being rigged, then you should be able to block the naturalization of some of these people or reverse it, denaturalize and deport.
00:37:07.000Whether or not we have the political will or the political fortitude to do those things, it certainly seems like a logical next step.
00:37:13.000The invisible coup, and it's fantastic.
00:37:17.000I mean, there's so many insights here.
00:37:18.000I think we're just touching at one element of it, but the subtitle is How American Elites and Foreign Powers Use Immigration as a Weapon.
00:37:27.000But now we have this whole China angle, Peter Schweitzer.
00:37:31.000And we've got, we have a clip from Ursula that would probably be worth playing here.
00:37:39.000It is, okay, so this is 298 from Ursula von der Leyen at Davos, 298.
00:37:46.0001971 was the year of the so-called Nixon shock and the decision to de-link the U.S. dollar from gold.
00:37:57.000In an instant, the foundations of the Bretton Woods system and the entire global economic order set up after the war effectively collapsed.
00:38:10.000But it also had two major effects: it inadvertently created the conditions for what would become a truly global order.
00:38:21.000The seismic change we are going through today is an opportunity, in fact, a necessity to build a new form of Europe.
00:38:32.000It kind of got cut off there, but a new form of Europe.
00:38:36.000And then you have Macron welcoming Chinese direct investment.
00:38:41.000We had Dr. Larry Yarn on before you, and he said he's long predicted that Europe would run to China the second that we called the bill due on some of their freeloading.
00:38:54.000You've studied China and the way that they do institutional capture, the way they use economic warfare to insinuate themselves, whether that be into mineral deposits and rare earth minerals, mines, ports.
00:39:10.000What is your warning or your note to Europe as they consider as they're flirting with the CCP here?
00:39:17.000Well, I think in my mind, the key word is flirting.
00:39:20.000They may go down this path, but I think it's going to be an enormous mistake because they're going to find if they don't like Donald Trump needling them about not carrying their weight, wait until Xi Jinping or a Chinese leader is mad to them about some trade policy or some issue that they're carrying out or there are too many vocal anti-China protests taking place in Berlin and China wants them to halt.
00:39:47.000But what you're seeing is this global battle taking place.
00:39:50.000A lot of the things that Donald Trump is doing on the global stage are actually connected to the China threat.
00:39:57.000He recognizes, for example, that the fentanyl crisis in the United States is primarily driven by China, not by the Mexican drug cartels.
00:40:06.000As I laid out in a previous book, the Mexican drug cartels are really the junior partners here because at every stage in the fentanyl trail, from the precursor chemicals to when it's sold on our streets to when the money is laundered by the drug cartels, that all runs through China.
00:40:24.000He recognized the importance that Venezuela represented as a outpost for China to operate in Latin America and how Venezuela was pressuring other countries, for example, like Mexico, to fall further into the Chinese orbit.
00:40:40.000So I think this battle is taking place.
00:40:42.000The good news is China is a massive threat.
00:40:45.000They do believe they are already at war with us.
00:40:47.000They call it disintegration warfare, and they're prepared to do a whole host of things short of a shooting war to achieve their objectives.
00:40:56.000But the future is with the United States.
00:40:58.000They have a massive demographic problem.
00:41:01.000They have made this sort of market-Leninism system work where they have kind of free markets, but it's dictated and controlled by the government.
00:41:12.000But that is not going to work in the era of technological innovation in areas like AI.
00:41:18.000I'm very confident if we adopt a program that allows us to work effectively in this area, we're going to kick their ass.
00:42:11.000You know what's an interesting piece of this, Peter?
00:42:13.000I was reading that as Trump and the Trump administration has been shutting down some of these fentanyl flows into the interior of the United States, that precursor product and that product in general has to find another place to go.
00:42:28.000And there's now early indications that a lot of that fentanyl is starting to flow into markets in Europe.
00:42:34.000And so, you know, Europe's going to be confronting the same fentanyl crisis that we've been confronting as we shut it down here.
00:42:54.000Look, the bottom line, what people have to understand is Xi Jinping, the president of China, he cut his political teeth.
00:43:00.000His movement to the national political stage was in Fujian province, where he was the political leader.
00:43:06.000Fujian province is ground zero for Chinese organized crime.
00:43:11.000He and his family and other CCP leaders have deep ties to Chinese organized crime.
00:43:16.000These are the criminal networks that introduced fentanyl to the drug cartels and said, we can boost your profits 30 times, move away from cocaine and start delivering this stuff.
00:43:29.000They will shift to other venues if they can't sell it in the United States because this is part of the way that the CCP operates this alliance they have with Chinese organizations.
00:43:38.000And they want to destroy the West in general.