The Charlie Kirk Show - January 21, 2026


Banish the Word "Inevitable" ft. Dr. Larry Arnn


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Dr. Larry Arn is the President of Hillsdale College and a great friend of Charlie's. Dr. Arn and Charlie have been friends for a long time and have been through a lot together. He has a great perspective on what it means to be a liberal in the 21st century and what it takes to live up to the expectations of the progressive dream. He is also a student at Hillsdale and has been involved with the pro-American student organization, Turning Point USA, since the early 1980s.

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00:01:09.000 All right, hour two is underway at the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:11.000 Welcome back.
00:01:12.000 We are honored by the presence of a great man, great patriot, great friend of Charlie's and turning point, and that is the president of Hillsdale College, Dr. Larry Arn.
00:01:22.000 Welcome back, sir.
00:01:23.000 Great to be with you.
00:01:24.000 Honored, as always, to have you, to have your friendship and your partnership, and to have your thoughts when it comes to this show, because we are sort of a news of the day.
00:01:33.000 We cover these changing themes, the world events.
00:01:36.000 And one of the things that we were talking about in hour one was you sort of have two storylines that I think are going to prove tectonic.
00:01:48.000 You have Virginia is now Democrat-run.
00:01:52.000 Governor Youngkin is no more.
00:01:53.000 We've got Spanberger and the Democrat.
00:01:56.000 She's got, I mean, it's a trifecta, right?
00:01:58.000 They've got the legislature and they've got the governor's banchet.
00:02:01.000 They're going full Marxist instantly.
00:02:03.000 Trump lost that state by six points.
00:02:05.000 That's six points, but they're acting like full-on California.
00:02:08.000 Simultaneously, you've got a storyline in Davos where they're signaling a green light to China.
00:02:15.000 Yeah.
00:02:16.000 And it might be easy for us to sort of blackpill on this.
00:02:21.000 And I guess there is a question, you know, a larger question overarching all of this, which is, are liberal Western democracies prone or is it inevitable this slide into a malaise, into leftism?
00:02:35.000 So there's a lot there, Dr. Arn, but you're the only one I could think of that could handle all of those questions all at once.
00:02:41.000 There you go.
00:02:42.000 Well, the first thing is that every person should banish the idea of inevitability in human affairs from their life.
00:02:51.000 Perfect.
00:02:53.000 One of the themes you learn if you study the very great Winston Churchill is it's not trends that matter, it's choices.
00:03:01.000 And you just think of the amazing reversals that have happened in the world.
00:03:06.000 I mean, Trump is such a reversal, right?
00:03:08.000 It's the reason he's hated because remember, these movements, China is part of the movement, and the European Union is part of the movement.
00:03:17.000 And the liberalism in Western liberal democracies, it's progressivism, and that's part of that's an offshoot of German historicism.
00:03:26.000 And its thought is history is going somewhere.
00:03:31.000 We can know what that is, and we can serve it.
00:03:35.000 And where it's going is the transformation of everything under our control.
00:03:40.000 That's what they believe.
00:03:42.000 That's one of the biggest ideological movements.
00:03:47.000 If anybody wants to read that, Hillsdale College has a constitution course with a constitutional reader.
00:03:53.000 Every kid has got to take it.
00:03:54.000 You can get it.
00:03:57.000 The last third of it is the writing of the early American progressives.
00:04:02.000 And what they believed was this is inevitable.
00:04:06.000 This is going to happen.
00:04:08.000 And it's the only promise because we now know, by the way, that we don't really know anything objectively, and we know that there is no God.
00:04:20.000 And so the old idea of the laws of nature and nature's God, they reject that.
00:04:27.000 And so this is their effort to give meaning to lives that they think fundamentally don't have any.
00:04:36.000 And so, yeah, it's fierce, right?
00:04:40.000 They believe in it.
00:04:41.000 They believe in it as bringing meaning to their lives.
00:04:46.000 And that means they won't lightly reform.
00:04:49.000 Now, why are they not, is it not inevitable?
00:04:55.000 Well, first of all, it won't work.
00:04:57.000 It can't work.
00:04:59.000 A human being is a thing.
00:05:02.000 I was just in there watching Charlie's children eat their breakfast.
00:05:07.000 And what delightful kids.
00:05:10.000 Charlie married above himself, and he was a heck of a guy.
00:05:14.000 Still, he managed to do that.
00:05:17.000 So that's nature, right?
00:05:20.000 She mourns her husband, and she loves those kids.
00:05:24.000 And the energy it takes to raise those kids, that's nature.
00:05:28.000 Actually, the word nature comes from a Latin word that means birth.
00:05:31.000 That cannot go away except toward destruction.
00:05:37.000 So, and in America, in Virginia, I mean, first of all, who lives in Northern Virginia and what do they do for a living?
00:05:48.000 And so, just remember, gradually and over a long time, this kind of thing has been deeply entrenched in the American government.
00:05:58.000 And there's an effort.
00:05:59.000 When Donald Trump says drain the swamp, he says something revolutionary.
00:06:04.000 He's talking about, I even think he knows it, but it certainly is what it means.
00:06:11.000 He's talking about returning to a form of government that is more limited, that is more local, and that places responsibility in individual hands and community hands.
00:06:25.000 If you just take a snapshot of the government of the United States anytime before 1930 and compare it to a snapshot today, you will see that the government is much larger as a percentage of the economy.
00:06:37.000 It's gone since 1930, it's gone from 12% to 51%.
00:06:44.000 And it is much more centralized.
00:06:46.000 The federal government has gone of that 12%, the federal government was about 23%.
00:06:52.000 Now of the 51%, it's about 63%.
00:06:56.000 And then it passes money down, right?
00:06:58.000 So we have a centralized form employing millions of people with interest and groups wedded to it, including lots of economic interest, but all kinds of interest.
00:07:12.000 And it gets its moral energy from this thing, we can recreate the world.
00:07:18.000 I mean, the family.
00:07:21.000 I just talked about Charlie's children, and you just talked about a bill that sex is not natural, is what it says.
00:07:30.000 But come to find out, every living person comes from that process, and it took two.
00:07:38.000 Now, pretty soon, I wouldn't be surprised, if we don't get the ability to manufacture people, then we will further look at people as manufactured items instead of Creatures blessed with divine reason.
00:07:58.000 So, yeah, that's where it's going.
00:08:00.000 And that, and because it won't work, I mean, are you got that hideous strength?
00:08:08.000 Mentioned a minute ago, right?
00:08:10.000 Blake's got the book.
00:08:10.000 It was one of the four books they added.
00:08:12.000 I did my ads.
00:08:13.000 So, the totalitarian novels course.
00:08:15.000 So, I read it over Christmas.
00:08:16.000 It's the only one I hadn't read.
00:08:17.000 And C.S. Lewis, it will frighten you to death because it just shows that this effort.
00:08:27.000 I mean, what is distinctive about Adolf Hitler?
00:08:31.000 He's the first person to build a modern factory for the slaughter and processing of human beings and a transportation system to go with it. 0.97
00:08:42.000 Nobody ever did that before.
00:08:44.000 Why would he do that?
00:08:45.000 He wanted to perfect the world according to his will.
00:08:51.000 And, you know, we know, and Christians know, but read the classic books.
00:08:59.000 They know, too.
00:09:00.000 The pagan ones included. 0.58
00:09:03.000 Heaven is not on this earth.
00:09:05.000 And if you try to make it so, you'll turn it into hell.
00:09:09.000 So, yeah, that's what the fight is about.
00:09:12.000 And it's a fundamental fight.
00:09:16.000 It's like, I've been saying this for years, and I believe it right now.
00:09:20.000 The great crises in American history are the Revolutionary War, one by the skin of our teeth, and the Civil War, one by the skin of our teeth, and this one.
00:09:28.000 And we don't know how it's going to come out.
00:09:30.000 But the reason I think that is because the Declaration of Independence presents a view of nature that is universal and eternal and says that we have our rights under that, never rightly to be taken away.
00:09:45.000 And that's a fixity, right?
00:09:47.000 And it gives rise to a constitution.
00:09:50.000 Those are the two things we're arguing about today.
00:09:52.000 And those are characteristic two things we argue about in every fundamental controversy.
00:09:57.000 So you're juxtaposing Hegel's dialectic with sort of a natural law from the creator.
00:10:05.000 Right.
00:10:05.000 Right.
00:10:06.000 And I love that because I think the Europeans are really into Hegel. 0.92
00:10:12.000 And the American way is really into the revolution, you know, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
00:10:20.000 Aristotle.
00:10:21.000 Yes.
00:10:22.000 And the Bible.
00:10:22.000 Basically, they are having this collision of philosophies that underlies these geopolitical arguments, tariffs, China, sexes.
00:10:33.000 It's very well said, Doctor.
00:10:35.000 I'm not surprised.
00:10:38.000 President Trump walked into a catch-22 when taking office.
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00:11:41.000 You feared, or at least proposed, that one of the most logical outcomes was that Europe was going to go with China.
00:11:49.000 Yeah.
00:11:49.000 Yeah.
00:11:51.000 We just set up this dichotomy between Hegel and the Declaration of Independence, laws of nature and nature's God.
00:11:59.000 America is on one side of that philosophical argument.
00:12:02.000 Europe seems to be on the other.
00:12:05.000 Did that inform that thought, or was it more of a surface level their deindustrialization, their lack of military might?
00:12:13.000 No, it's what are the implications?
00:12:15.000 Well, China is a top-down society.
00:12:19.000 It's a heavily modified form of Marxism.
00:12:23.000 You know, Marx with Chinese characteristics, they've always said.
00:12:27.000 What it is, is despotism.
00:12:31.000 And that means the party decides and people obey.
00:12:38.000 They're very clever at it.
00:12:40.000 They've liberated it enough so they can grow and produce. 0.95
00:12:44.000 And they, you know, they talk about education.
00:12:48.000 What you learn in Chinese schools, first of all, you learn a lot.
00:12:50.000 They're very competitive.
00:12:53.000 But the second thing you learn is the Chinese people have been afflicted by the West.
00:12:57.000 We're the great victim people.
00:13:01.000 And so they grow up thinking that.
00:13:04.000 A little bit like the way children learned in Germany for a long time in Europe.
00:13:12.000 And the people seem a little too ready to put up with a lot out of their government, but on the other hand, tens of millions of them have been killed by the government, and so they got reasons.
00:13:21.000 And they make a pretty good living these days, better than they used to.
00:13:25.000 So that's China, and it's thriving.
00:13:27.000 Well, what is the European Union?
00:13:32.000 Is it real accountability of the government to the people?
00:13:37.000 They have enormous powers, but people are elected from all those many countries to run a parliament, and people don't go and vote in those elections because they don't really feel part of it.
00:13:52.000 And so, I mean, there's a guy named Daniel Hannan who was a very good member of the European Parliament, and Nigel Farage was a member for a while too.
00:14:00.000 And just read them, read their speeches there about how this is not really a sensible, a sense, a system of accountability to the people.
00:14:11.000 And remember, there isn't a people.
00:14:14.000 There are many peoples.
00:14:16.000 And they don't speak the same language.
00:14:19.000 And so it's this bureaucratic state with this tissue of legislature to control it that doesn't really control it.
00:14:27.000 And so what's not to like about China to that bunch of people?
00:14:35.000 And I've thought that for years.
00:14:36.000 And, you know, my wife is English, and we follow the English news and grieve over it a lot lately.
00:14:42.000 And, you know, they're going to censor the internet and they're going to, you know, they're doing all that stuff.
00:14:50.000 Replacement immigration. 0.84
00:14:51.000 Yeah, I know.
00:14:52.000 Islamization.
00:14:53.000 And they don't.
00:14:54.000 And I think they think they can manage all that.
00:14:59.000 But they don't.
00:15:01.000 China seems to me highly competent in important ways.
00:15:07.000 I mean, they got a bigger navy than we got, and they're building ships much faster.
00:15:11.000 And see, part of this thing about Europe flirting with them is China in some direct measures of power is waxing.
00:15:19.000 We don't know how good their military is.
00:15:21.000 It hasn't been tested, but it's big.
00:15:24.000 And only a fool would not take it seriously.
00:15:27.000 And so, yeah, I had a Hungarian minister.
00:15:35.000 I won't say his name.
00:15:36.000 Good guy, very good guy.
00:15:38.000 And he's, Hungary, you know, has got a good government by my lights, Orban, and he was in Orban's cabinet at the time.
00:15:49.000 And he gave a talk about how the European Union was dangerous to Hungary and to the world.
00:15:58.000 And it seemed true to me, the talk.
00:16:00.000 And then I'm talking to him later, and I said, I understand that you have welcomed the belt and road of China into Hungary. 0.50
00:16:08.000 He said, oh, yeah, we had to.
00:16:12.000 And I said, why?
00:16:14.000 He said, Poland has it and won't share. 1.00
00:16:20.000 And we're an elected government, and we need prosperity, and we got to trade.
00:16:25.000 And who is around for us to trade with?
00:16:29.000 There's the European Union, of which we're part, and which fines us a million dollars a week, I think, or a day for our immigration policies.
00:16:40.000 And there's Russia.
00:16:42.000 We have a lot of experience with Russia.
00:16:44.000 We don't really trust them.
00:16:46.000 So China is this third more distant party. 0.77
00:16:49.000 And this guy, who's got no sympathy whatsoever with communism, thinks it's an achievement to get the belt and road in Hungary as it is in Poland.
00:17:00.000 Well, it'll be in France.
00:17:03.000 France has not had any growth to speak of forever.
00:17:06.000 And it's a very, and, you know, the more conservative parties, which are all called alt-right, are waxing in France.
00:17:19.000 But are the people really going to get to choose?
00:17:23.000 That's a question.
00:17:26.000 So yeah, it's a very dangerous picture.
00:17:30.000 And, you know, back at home, there might be some limit to the energy of Donald Trump, but we haven't found it yet.
00:17:40.000 And then, on the other hand, he's got three years.
00:17:44.000 And typically, presidents are weaker after the midterms, although he's a freak and a force of nature.
00:17:51.000 He might not be.
00:17:52.000 You never know what he's going to do.
00:17:55.000 And, you know, it could be that, you know, and what the hope is, and what the expectation is, by the way, in the official press, is he's peaking right now.
00:18:07.000 And it'll be downhill from here.
00:18:09.000 And who can do what he did?
00:18:13.000 Once we get rid of him, we'll be in control again.
00:18:17.000 That's their thinking.
00:18:18.000 They're confident.
00:18:19.000 And that this thing in Virginia is not surprising.
00:18:24.000 They're going to make hay while the sun shines, and they expect it to keep shining.
00:18:29.000 And yeah, and that means that what?
00:18:31.000 That means, but see, I don't, you know, it's a very good idea to study Winston Churchill because you'll be quick to see that it might be a desperate situation and quick to see that's why we're here.
00:18:48.000 Let's do something about it.
00:18:50.000 And unfortunately, maybe quick to see that even the most heroic figure, there's no permanent wins and there's no permanent defeats.
00:18:57.000 So Winston Churchill did save Britain, but we have to cover Britain all the time now. 0.67
00:19:01.000 And there's a new problem where I don't think Churchill would have ever thought that Islam taking over Britain was a likely future for his country, yet there are people who fought in that war who now have to see that happening. 0.92
00:19:16.000 Well, my wife's father was left Dunkirk Beach the last day anybody did.
00:19:22.000 Then he was in Singapore and he was captured by the Japanese and became a POW of the Japanese.
00:19:29.000 He was a camp commander.
00:19:30.000 That's a brutal.
00:19:33.000 And his father before him fought in all the battles of the Somme in the First World War.
00:19:39.000 Those are people who sacrificed, right?
00:19:41.000 But here's something for us all to know, you know, like Charlie Kirk believed in babies.
00:19:47.000 And I do too.
00:19:48.000 Got to have some babies. 1.00
00:19:48.000 You've got to get married and have some babies. 1.00
00:19:50.000 Because now you're meeting the test of life, right?
00:19:54.000 Because everybody has to meet the test of making a living, trying to live well, but then now you've got to do it with some other people.
00:19:54.000 Fully.
00:20:00.000 But here's a lesson that comes from that.
00:20:03.000 We have to do what we can do to prepare the world for the next generation. 0.99
00:20:07.000 But we don't get to live for them.
00:20:10.000 You see, like the institutions of America, they are made.
00:20:15.000 Here's a great story.
00:20:16.000 Thomas Jefferson, who was a very great man and also once in a while kind of a ding bat, he writes a letter to James Madison, his friend, close colleague, and says, Madison is getting ready to help write the Constitution of what became the Constitution of the United States.
00:20:37.000 And Jefferson writes and says that every contract and every law, including this Constitution you're writing, should sunset every human generation, every 33 years.
00:20:51.000 The earth belongs to the living, he says.
00:20:54.000 And Madison writes him back and says, you know, it actually is a specific function of the Constitution to set up an institution that prevails across generations.
00:21:06.000 And Jefferson did what he commonly did.
00:21:08.000 He wrote back and said, yeah, I guess you're right.
00:21:11.000 But the truth is, we should, first of all, we need to preserve our institutions.
00:21:17.000 They're the longest surviving written Constitution in all of human history, and it has worked.
00:21:22.000 We have to restore it.
00:21:23.000 And the list of things to do is simple.
00:21:26.000 First of all, the word decentralized is crucial to everything that needs to be done to the government.
00:21:31.000 We need to return power as close to the people as possible. 0.81
00:21:35.000 And then the federal government should be in supreme control of things that are simply national.
00:21:42.000 Congress should start making the laws again.
00:21:46.000 Now they make about 10 or 15 percent of them.
00:21:48.000 And the rest are made in the bureaucracy.
00:21:50.000 Or by executive order.
00:21:52.000 That's really, I think, the big secret with when President Trump demands getting rid of the filibuster.
00:21:57.000 It's that it's practically a call to say, make Congress real again.
00:22:01.000 Because it's so fake because they can't pass anything with 60 votes.
00:22:01.000 Yeah.
00:22:04.000 And see, the filibuster, I actually support the filibuster.
00:22:08.000 Just return to what it in fact is.
00:22:10.000 What it was was an argument, was a policy in the Senate only, that if you've got something pertinent to say, we don't vote till everybody said it.
00:22:24.000 That means you've got to be on the floor talking, and it's got to be pertinent.
00:22:28.000 This has been an absolute treat, Dr. Arne.
00:22:30.000 Thank you.
00:22:31.000 I would love for you to.
00:22:32.000 But I really, I'm hanging on every word here about getting us back to what Congress was supposed to be.
00:22:38.000 So I want to let you finish your thought here.
00:22:40.000 Yeah, well, the laws are not.
00:22:42.000 Senator Lee, a buddy of mine from Utah, keeps a cabinet, and it's about this wide, and it's, you know, four and a half feet tall.
00:22:51.000 It's got three bays.
00:22:53.000 And what it's full of is the laws passed in the last two-year Congress.
00:22:59.000 And that means more pages than anyone will ever read.
00:23:02.000 No one has ever read it all.
00:23:04.000 No one ever will.
00:23:05.000 Well, 80% or 85% of those laws are made in the bureaucracy.
00:23:11.000 And that's why the government can be so big and intrude into so much.
00:23:15.000 So one of the things we've got to do is reform that.
00:23:18.000 And that's a big job.
00:23:20.000 And we have to win a series of elections committed to the doing of that.
00:23:27.000 And it doesn't mean that the regulations have to go away.
00:23:30.000 There's not so many and not so federal.
00:23:32.000 It doesn't mean that the, you know, first of all, the infrastructure of America is in a bad way, and the government has never been bigger.
00:23:40.000 What's it spending money on?
00:23:43.000 And so, you know, we have to, they're just worlds to conquer.
00:23:51.000 We are the people who have a pattern.
00:23:54.000 We had success doing this.
00:23:57.000 And I'll just say one last thought.
00:24:00.000 The American people came across an ocean, half knowing where they were going, knowing next to nothing about it.
00:24:10.000 They established the first free and representative government in human history, and they settled an entire continent.
00:24:19.000 By the way, the extent of which they didn't know for 30 years after the country was founded.
00:24:26.000 And they extended that kind of government all the way across.
00:24:30.000 There's never been anything like that.
00:24:32.000 It's wonderful.
00:24:34.000 And so we should fight for it.
00:24:36.000 And we have a 250-year birthday that you are taking part in directly.
00:24:43.000 You're consulting the Commission, and you guys have videos you're doing with the White House.
00:24:48.000 I meant to get into more of that, but we went into some deep waters.
00:24:51.000 But I think that was so important, Dr. Arn, especially setting up that first piece of what makes America's philosophical starting point so distinct from the European starting point and how that still plays out in our geopolitics and in our trade and in immigration.
00:25:07.000 I think that was really important, Dr. Arne.
00:25:10.000 I really do.
00:25:10.000 And I hope people listen to that.
00:25:13.000 And one other thing I learned from Hillsdale, and this is from the Constitution Course, is that our system intentionally sets up power to be spread out over geography and over time.
00:25:27.000 And so we have to win more elections.
00:25:30.000 We have to string some wins together if we're going to get real reform.
00:25:33.000 But Dr. Larry Arn, you are a treasurer, a national treasurer, and a dear friend.
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00:27:00.000 I'm so excited.
00:27:01.000 We thought we were going to do this yesterday, but now we're doing it today.
00:27:03.000 And that's Peter Schweitzer, his new book, The Invisible Coup.
00:27:08.000 Peter, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:27:10.000 It's great to have you, and congratulations on your new book.
00:27:13.000 Oh, great.
00:27:14.000 Thank you.
00:27:14.000 It's great to be with you guys.
00:27:16.000 And I mean, I don't know, you're putting me in a bind here following Larry Arne.
00:27:20.000 That's going to be really hard to get to that standard.
00:27:23.000 I tried to have you on yesterday.
00:27:24.000 We had some sort of scheduling faux pie.
00:27:26.000 I thought it was, anyway, it doesn't matter.
00:27:28.000 We're glad to have you here.
00:27:30.000 You are one of the great researchers.
00:27:32.000 You're so good at getting a thread, pulling on it, and then it reveals this huge, scandalous truth.
00:27:42.000 I saw that it went it went viral on the internet over the weekend.
00:27:46.000 Breitbart had a big piece on it.
00:27:48.000 And you highlighted the fact that we have potentially a million, million point five CCP citizens, so Chinese citizens that are going to be eligible to vote in 2028, 2030, and beyond.
00:28:01.000 Tell us about this.
00:28:03.000 Yeah, you know, we've been having this necessary conversation about immigration policy in America, but we really look at it primarily through the lens of the economy, crime on our streets, et cetera.
00:28:14.000 And that's very, very important.
00:28:16.000 This book is about the weaponization of migration and how foreign governments and adversaries have weaponized our immigration system.
00:28:23.000 And what you're referring to is in the case of China, how they are using so-called birthright citizenship, and they've created a model on an industrial scale to, I argue, subvert the country. 0.95
00:28:37.000 So what do I mean?
00:28:38.000 Well, birthright citizenship, of course, is the idea that if you are born in the United States, you get automatic citizenship.
00:28:46.000 It doesn't matter if your parents walked across the border, if your parents were here on vacation, you give birth here, you're an American citizen.
00:28:53.000 Our federal government has absolutely no idea how many people do this every year because when you get a birth certificate in the United States, they don't ask for the citizenship of the parents.
00:29:05.000 They don't have any of that information.
00:29:07.000 So we literally have no clue how much this has been happening in the country.
00:29:12.000 What I point out is that the Chinese do.
00:29:14.000 The Chinese have actually tracked and have pretty strong estimates on how many Chinese nationals have done this in the United States.
00:29:22.000 And the number, at least to me, is absolutely shocking.
00:29:26.000 The Chinese government says over the last 13 years, roughly 100,000 Chinese nationals have done this a year over the course of the last 13 years.
00:29:36.000 So you're talking about a million, more than a million people.
00:29:40.000 So what does that mean?
00:29:41.000 That means that you have a million people in China that were born here.
00:29:47.000 Their parents flew here for the purposes of giving birth.
00:29:50.000 The child is born here.
00:29:51.000 They're given citizenship.
00:29:53.000 They fly them back to China where they are raised in CCP schools.
00:29:58.000 They get government propaganda.
00:29:59.000 Their parents are primarily from the Chinese elite.
00:30:02.000 But when they turn 18, they're going to be able to vote.
00:30:06.000 They're going to be able to donate to political campaigns.
00:30:08.000 They're going to be able to get government jobs.
00:30:10.000 It's a massive, massive national security problem.
00:30:13.000 And the Chinese government has encouraged this and pushed it.
00:30:17.000 They've run articles in the People's Daily, which is their major newspaper, telling members of the Chinese elite, you can do this.
00:30:26.000 You have a right to do this.
00:30:27.000 And we are completely oblivious that this is going on.
00:30:30.000 Peter, so they've run these ads, yeah, these advertisements basically in the People's Daily about it.
00:30:36.000 Do we see any evidence of them building up any plan, for example, to encourage them to using this in a strategic way?
00:30:46.000 Like, for example, deploying these Chinese citizens in specific states to swing specific elections?
00:30:52.000 Or are they just, are they sort of passively encouraging this, or are they seeing the direct uses of individual, of these voter blobs in specific elections?
00:31:00.000 No, that's a great question.
00:31:01.000 So they've run ads in People's Daily, but the People Daily has also run newspaper articles.
00:31:06.000 I quote from them in The Invisible Coup, where the Chinese government says, you have a right to do this.
00:31:12.000 We encourage you to do this.
00:31:13.000 You also have this large industry that the Chinese government allows to operate whereby there are agencies, primarily in California, that say to CCP officials, pay us $50,000.
00:31:26.000 We'll teach you how to get into the United States.
00:31:29.000 We will set you up at a nice place to stay.
00:31:32.000 We'll set up a hospital.
00:31:33.000 Your child will be born.
00:31:35.000 We make sure that they get the citizenship.
00:31:37.000 And then we'll arrange for you to fly back.
00:31:39.000 So, it's a massive industry.
00:31:41.000 They did this for a while in Hong Kong in the early 2000s.
00:31:46.000 Hong Kong, obviously, smaller than the United States.
00:31:48.000 The government of Hong Kong at that time was more independent.
00:31:52.000 They realized what was going on and they stopped it and said, no more birthright citizenship from mainland China.
00:31:52.000 They stopped it.
00:31:59.000 So, the wave of this is going to start hitting in 2028, 2030.
00:32:04.000 So, that's when we're first going to see this instituted.
00:32:08.000 And there's another side of this, guys.
00:32:10.000 There's the Chinese nationals that fly here, give birth, and get citizenship that way.
00:32:16.000 There's the added problem, and this really sounds like out of science fiction, but it's true, involving surrogacy.
00:32:23.000 And these are Chinese nationals, men, who donate their sperm. 0.99
00:32:27.000 They find a carrier, as they call it, a woman in the United States, to conceive the child, carry the child. 0.98
00:32:35.000 Then that child is taken back to China, where again, they've got U.S. citizenship.
00:32:40.000 In this case, they're born to an American mother, but they are raised by the father and/or parents back in China.
00:32:47.000 Again, we have no idea how often this takes place.
00:32:51.000 What we do know is, based on our research, that in Southern California alone, there are 107 Chinese-owned surrogacy companies that are doing this.
00:33:02.000 So, you can imagine the scale that we might be dealing with here.
00:33:05.000 I want to repeat one of these facts because I think people might underestimate how this is.
00:33:09.000 There's Xu Bo is one of these Chinese billionaires.
00:33:14.000 He is, I think it's a mobile gaming company that he created.
00:33:18.000 He is reported to have more than 100 biological children born through these surrogates.
00:33:26.000 According to the Wall Street, the Wall Street Journal.
00:33:29.000 He supposedly seeks to have at least 50 high-quality sons who can take over businesses, his businesses, and I guess American businesses as well.
00:33:39.000 There's a certain kind of insane maximalism you can see with some of these Chinese billionaires, dozens, hundreds of kids. 0.97
00:33:45.000 It's interesting too, Peter, because I was just following somebody who researches fertility rates.
00:33:51.000 And actually, China's fertility rate is collapsing, which is a fascinating parallel story that's going on here.
00:33:58.000 This particular researcher puts it at about 0.93 per couple, which is far, far below replacement level.
00:34:05.000 Obviously, they're having as many children in China as they were in 1776.
00:34:10.000 That was sort of the big headline from so you got to go back hundreds of years to get this level of fertility, which is collapsing.
00:34:19.000 It's collapsing around the world, but especially in China. 0.97
00:34:22.000 So, it's interesting that simultaneous with that, you have this move of birth tourism to create U.S. citizen, Chinese CCP-trained U.S. citizens.
00:34:30.000 So, it's just I don't know what to make of that exactly, but it is a fascinating detail.
00:34:35.000 No, that's a great, great point.
00:34:37.000 And it relates to the decision that the Chinese government made to have this one China policy, which they finally lifted just about 10 years ago.
00:34:46.000 It was enacted in 1980, and it basically said they were fearful of overpopulation.
00:34:51.000 So, they told people in China, you can only have one child because we need to limit population growth in China.
00:34:58.000 Well, if you tell a largely rural peasant community that you can only have one child, they want to have a boy. 0.60
00:35:07.000 They want a strong boy who can do all the farm work.
00:35:10.000 So, what has happened in China is you have this massive demographic disparity where you have literally several hundred million men between the age of say 30 and 45 that have no prospects of finding a Chinese woman because they were all aborted with this one child policy. 0.60
00:35:30.000 So, the surrogacy program and the program of Finding an American carrier, a woman, to carry your child, get citizenship for them, bring them back to China. 0.88
00:35:42.000 And then, by the way, when your child, who's a U.S. citizen, turns 18, they can get you as the parent permanent resident status.
00:35:50.000 So there's that added benefit.
00:35:52.000 But the bottom line is: this is a direct consequence of the policies that they carried out with the One China policy.
00:35:58.000 And what's troubling is: what do you do with a situation like a country like China that is having these demographic problems, which may have economic problems in the future, that is creating this large reservoir of people living in their own country who can vote in American elections that could be subject to coercion, threats, et cetera?
00:36:19.000 It's an enormous problem that we have not even paid attention to.
00:36:23.000 That's one of the reasons I wrote the book.
00:36:25.000 Well, you know, it kind of begs the question because we're going to be doing oral arguments on the birthright citizenship case in front of the Supreme Court.
00:36:33.000 That's going to be happening in spring, so April timeframe.
00:36:38.000 And then probably a decision in summer.
00:36:41.000 But then if you know that the system is being rigged, it's being manipulated by Chinese birth tourists, or maybe other countries are involved.
00:36:51.000 I'm certain that's true.
00:36:53.000 You know, you think of the anchor baby phenomenon is usually a Latin American thing.
00:36:56.000 But listen, if you know that the system is being rigged, then you should be able to block the naturalization of some of these people or reverse it, denaturalize and deport.
00:37:07.000 Whether or not we have the political will or the political fortitude to do those things, it certainly seems like a logical next step.
00:37:13.000 The invisible coup, and it's fantastic.
00:37:17.000 I mean, there's so many insights here.
00:37:18.000 I think we're just touching at one element of it, but the subtitle is How American Elites and Foreign Powers Use Immigration as a Weapon. 0.58
00:37:27.000 But now we have this whole China angle, Peter Schweitzer.
00:37:31.000 And we've got, we have a clip from Ursula that would probably be worth playing here.
00:37:37.000 I just love saying the name Ursula.
00:37:39.000 It is, okay, so this is 298 from Ursula von der Leyen at Davos, 298.
00:37:46.000 1971 was the year of the so-called Nixon shock and the decision to de-link the U.S. dollar from gold.
00:37:57.000 In an instant, the foundations of the Bretton Woods system and the entire global economic order set up after the war effectively collapsed.
00:38:10.000 But it also had two major effects: it inadvertently created the conditions for what would become a truly global order.
00:38:21.000 The seismic change we are going through today is an opportunity, in fact, a necessity to build a new form of Europe.
00:38:32.000 It kind of got cut off there, but a new form of Europe.
00:38:36.000 And then you have Macron welcoming Chinese direct investment.
00:38:41.000 We had Dr. Larry Yarn on before you, and he said he's long predicted that Europe would run to China the second that we called the bill due on some of their freeloading.
00:38:53.000 What is your warrant?
00:38:54.000 You've studied China and the way that they do institutional capture, the way they use economic warfare to insinuate themselves, whether that be into mineral deposits and rare earth minerals, mines, ports.
00:39:10.000 What is your warning or your note to Europe as they consider as they're flirting with the CCP here?
00:39:17.000 Well, I think in my mind, the key word is flirting.
00:39:20.000 They may go down this path, but I think it's going to be an enormous mistake because they're going to find if they don't like Donald Trump needling them about not carrying their weight, wait until Xi Jinping or a Chinese leader is mad to them about some trade policy or some issue that they're carrying out or there are too many vocal anti-China protests taking place in Berlin and China wants them to halt.
00:39:47.000 But what you're seeing is this global battle taking place.
00:39:50.000 A lot of the things that Donald Trump is doing on the global stage are actually connected to the China threat.
00:39:57.000 He recognizes, for example, that the fentanyl crisis in the United States is primarily driven by China, not by the Mexican drug cartels.
00:40:06.000 As I laid out in a previous book, the Mexican drug cartels are really the junior partners here because at every stage in the fentanyl trail, from the precursor chemicals to when it's sold on our streets to when the money is laundered by the drug cartels, that all runs through China.
00:40:22.000 Trump recognizes that.
00:40:24.000 He recognized the importance that Venezuela represented as a outpost for China to operate in Latin America and how Venezuela was pressuring other countries, for example, like Mexico, to fall further into the Chinese orbit.
00:40:40.000 So I think this battle is taking place.
00:40:42.000 The good news is China is a massive threat. 1.00
00:40:45.000 They do believe they are already at war with us.
00:40:47.000 They call it disintegration warfare, and they're prepared to do a whole host of things short of a shooting war to achieve their objectives.
00:40:56.000 But the future is with the United States.
00:40:58.000 They have a massive demographic problem.
00:41:01.000 They have made this sort of market-Leninism system work where they have kind of free markets, but it's dictated and controlled by the government.
00:41:12.000 But that is not going to work in the era of technological innovation in areas like AI.
00:41:18.000 I'm very confident if we adopt a program that allows us to work effectively in this area, we're going to kick their ass.
00:41:25.000 And they know that.
00:41:26.000 So they have got to come up with partnerships and alliances to try to compete with the United States.
00:41:32.000 Europe, I think, right now, is trying to signal that they want to stand up to Trump on Greenland and on some of these other issues.
00:41:40.000 But I'm pretty confident that there will be an agreement struck and China will not make the gains that they're hoping to make. 0.95
00:41:47.000 They're not a good partner really for anybody.
00:41:50.000 Anybody that partners with China is going to end up with economic disparity, political manipulation, and attempted control.
00:41:59.000 It's not the kind of bargain that any country wants to make as far as I'm concerned.
00:42:04.000 Yeah, you're making a deal with the devil.
00:42:06.000 And you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
00:42:09.000 I think that's a good example of it.
00:42:11.000 You know what's an interesting piece of this, Peter?
00:42:13.000 I was reading that as Trump and the Trump administration has been shutting down some of these fentanyl flows into the interior of the United States, that precursor product and that product in general has to find another place to go.
00:42:28.000 And there's now early indications that a lot of that fentanyl is starting to flow into markets in Europe.
00:42:34.000 And so, you know, Europe's going to be confronting the same fentanyl crisis that we've been confronting as we shut it down here.
00:42:41.000 It's going to find a home.
00:42:42.000 It's going to find a market.
00:42:43.000 And just because Trump's on China's rear on that to get them to stop doesn't mean they're going to stop completely. 0.63
00:42:50.000 So I don't know if you have any intel on that.
00:42:52.000 Yeah, no, you're exactly right.
00:42:54.000 Look, the bottom line, what people have to understand is Xi Jinping, the president of China, he cut his political teeth.
00:43:00.000 His movement to the national political stage was in Fujian province, where he was the political leader.
00:43:06.000 Fujian province is ground zero for Chinese organized crime. 0.95
00:43:11.000 He and his family and other CCP leaders have deep ties to Chinese organized crime.
00:43:16.000 These are the criminal networks that introduced fentanyl to the drug cartels and said, we can boost your profits 30 times, move away from cocaine and start delivering this stuff.
00:43:27.000 And you are exactly right.
00:43:29.000 They will shift to other venues if they can't sell it in the United States because this is part of the way that the CCP operates this alliance they have with Chinese organizations.
00:43:38.000 And they want to destroy the West in general. 0.52
00:43:41.000 They want to destabilize us.
00:43:42.000 They're going to poison us and get us addicted to fentanyl if they can.
00:43:45.000 The Invisible coup, Peter Schweitzer, great work, my friend.
00:43:48.000 That was phenomenal.
00:43:49.000 Thank you so much.
00:43:50.000 Congratulations.
00:43:51.000 Thanks for having me.