The Charlie Kirk Show - Banned from Fordham University, Austin Tong Fights Back

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00:00:08.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:09.000 Wow.

00:00:10.000 You are going to be blown away by this interview we have today.

00:00:13.000 For weeks, I talked about a young man that has been banned from university because he commemorated a slaughter of innocent civilians in his home country, China.

00:00:22.000 He's standing up and now suing Fordham University.

00:00:26.000 He's articulate.

00:00:27.000 He loves our country, honestly, as an immigrant to our country more than most of our own natural-born citizens do.

00:00:32.000 His name is Austin Tong.

00:00:34.000 He is suing Fordham University.

00:00:36.000 And you're not going to believe this story.

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00:00:54.000 Austin Tong, he's a Chinese American immigrant.

00:00:58.000 He came here when he's six years old.

00:01:00.000 They tried to kick him out of school.

00:01:02.000 He's fighting back and he is suing all because he said something that the university disagreed with.

00:01:07.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:01:09.000 Time to fight.

00:01:10.000 Here we go.

00:01:12.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:01:14.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

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00:01:19.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

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00:01:23.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:24.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:01:26.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:01:31.000 Turning point USA.

00:01:33.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

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00:01:44.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:44.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:47.000 I have been talking for weeks about an outrageous story.

00:01:52.000 A young man from Fordham University did an Instagram post commemorating Tiananmen Square.

00:01:59.000 If you know anything about Tiananmen Square, it's when the Maoists decided to try to continue their brutalization of innocent civilians.

00:02:06.000 And it was a freedom of speech retaliation by the citizens of China.

00:02:11.000 A young man posted in commemoration of that.

00:02:15.000 And the people that run Fordham University decided that individual should no longer be allowed to attend that school.

00:02:23.000 That young man joins us right now, Austin Tong.

00:02:26.000 Austin, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:30.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:02:30.000 Thank you for having me.

00:02:31.000 It's really a big pleasure.

00:02:34.000 You bet.

00:02:35.000 So tell us your story.

00:02:36.000 Tell us what you posted and why you posted it.

00:02:40.000 Walk us through this outrageous story.

00:02:43.000 So what happened was on June 3rd, I posted about Officer David Dorn, who was sadly killed.

00:02:50.000 He shouldn't have died.

00:02:51.000 I was very angry and not happy about what happened, which is nobody cared about him. 0.94

00:02:55.000 And I found that very hypocritical. 0.99

00:02:57.000 So I posted a picture of him and I said, they are a bunch of hypocrites, which they are. 0.99

00:03:03.000 And that got a little backlash. 0.98

00:03:04.000 People weren't happy about that.

00:03:06.000 And it was mostly the bad people from my school.

00:03:09.000 And the next day, I had a post, which was myself in my backyard with my legally owned AR-15, a rifle.

00:03:18.000 And I said, don't tread on me, a hashtag 198964, which for the people who didn't pass history class, that's something that happened many years ago that really matters in a lot of hearts of many people, especially people who care about democracy, which the bad people don't care about.

00:03:34.000 And obviously, Fordham doesn't care about.

00:03:37.000 And that got a huge backlash the same day.

00:03:40.000 And when I saw that, you know, without the need to explain, I still explained that it has nothing to do with recent events.

00:03:46.000 The two posts aren't even connected.

00:03:48.000 It was just, you know, June 4th was the day of the anniversary.

00:03:52.000 And I was proud to have the rifle.

00:03:55.000 I was proud to express myself.

00:03:57.000 And I was very appreciative of the rights we have in this country.

00:03:59.000 And that's what happened.

00:04:00.000 And I explained the comments.

00:04:01.000 I said that, you know, it's just my appreciation we have the right to bear arms in this country.

00:04:06.000 And with everything that's unfolded since then, it's also the First Amendment that we should appreciate.

00:04:11.000 And that's something you talk about, Charlie, almost every day.

00:04:14.000 And what happened was, despite my explanation, the Fordham University even commented on my post.

00:04:20.000 I don't know if that's give me credit, but they commented on the post.

00:04:23.000 And then that night, around 10 o'clock, okay, and everyone's either sleeping or enjoying with their family.

00:04:30.000 I got a call from Fordham University.

00:04:32.000 I got a call from them saying, we're outside your door.

00:04:36.000 And that's what happened.

00:04:37.000 And I was like, what's going on?

00:04:39.000 I wasn't sure who was that.

00:04:40.000 He said, he's the public safety of the school and he wants to check up.

00:04:45.000 And yeah, I was shaking my head.

00:04:47.000 I was shocked.

00:04:48.000 We were completely shocked.

00:04:49.000 And that's the right word.

00:04:50.000 It was shocking.

00:04:52.000 And what happened was, you know, not sure why, without a criminal mindset, I was, we're good people.

00:04:58.000 We saw him.

00:04:59.000 He was outside.

00:05:00.000 And then it was two public safety officers.

00:05:03.000 And one of them came in.

00:05:05.000 And what happened was he questioned me on the firearm.

00:05:08.000 He questioned me and he asked me about all of this.

00:05:11.000 He said, why did I post my intentions?

00:05:14.000 He was a nice gentleman, to be fair, but really, what happened was really a traumatizing moment.

00:05:20.000 Okay.

00:05:20.000 You wouldn't expect that to happen in America.

00:05:22.000 And police wouldn't even do that, not to say a private university.

00:05:26.000 And, you know, I had to write a report on what happened.

00:05:30.000 I had to write a report, like a police report.

00:05:33.000 And I had to give him the receipt of the gun to prove everything, which was interesting, very interesting, right?

00:05:42.000 And what's more interesting is he said to me, okay, and for people who don't know about this, I was charged with threat intimidation and hate crime and bias.

00:05:52.000 Okay, that's the final, the result of it.

00:05:57.000 But he told me, the public safety of the school told me that I was not a threat and I was not intimidating in the meeting, okay, when he was at my house.

00:06:06.000 He told me that.

00:06:07.000 And he represents the school.

00:06:09.000 So what does that mean for the school? 0.99

00:06:10.000 They're liars. 1.00

00:06:11.000 They're crooked. 1.00

00:06:12.000 And that's what happened.

00:06:13.000 And obviously, beyond the gun that they were going at, it's probably some political ties to certain people that might not like what I posted.

00:06:22.000 And what happened was right after he left, okay, I thought everything was fine.

00:06:28.000 And then he called me, the public safety officer.

00:06:30.000 He called me.

00:06:31.000 And he said, Austin, you should take down the posts.

00:06:34.000 And I said, which one?

00:06:35.000 I said, the gun one or the officer one.

00:06:38.000 And he said, both.

00:06:39.000 I said, I have my free speech.

00:06:41.000 You can't do that.

00:06:42.000 Right?

00:06:42.000 We have that in this country, supposedly, right?

00:06:44.000 And he said, yes, you do, but I'm representing a university and we would suggest you do that.

00:06:51.000 And we wouldn't want, you know, the people, you know, he thought, he said, those people are mean, whatever, whatever.

00:06:58.000 And at the time, you know, was it worth it for an Instagram post, two Instagram posts?

00:07:04.000 But, you know, that just tells you, Charlie, what they mean.

00:07:06.000 It's not a concern about safety or security with the rifle, which I was completely like a fine gentleman in the picture.

00:07:14.000 Okay.

00:07:14.000 I was smiling.

00:07:15.000 You saw the picture.

00:07:16.000 My hair was nice.

00:07:16.000 Everything was nice.

00:07:18.000 And it was great.

00:07:20.000 But I thought to myself and my family, we didn't want to have trouble.

00:07:24.000 Okay.

00:07:24.000 So we were very cordial for the whole process until now we're fighting.

00:07:29.000 But what happened was we took it down and life went on despite the traumatized.

00:07:34.000 And what happened was two days later, we got a call from the dean of students, Keith Eldridge, who's a real beauty.

00:07:42.000 And his name is everywhere now.

00:07:44.000 But we really made him famous, but now we'll make him a defendant in court.

00:07:48.000 Okay, that's what's going to happen.

00:07:50.000 And we had that.

00:07:51.000 And he called me saying, Austin, I'm calling you because we're going to sanction you to a disciplinary hearing.

00:07:59.000 And he said, we usually don't call people.

00:08:02.000 He said, we call you because we wouldn't suggest you posting it everywhere without a heads up.

00:08:08.000 Like he was scared that I will post.

00:08:10.000 If it's a good thing he's doing, he wouldn't be scared.

00:08:13.000 He's guilty, okay?

00:08:14.000 He was guilty from the beginning.

00:08:16.000 All of them are.

00:08:17.000 And, you know, at the time, I was thinking, it's so unfair.

00:08:20.000 It's illegal.

00:08:21.000 Why am I having a hearing for something I've posted online, not even on campus, in my backyard, and it's totally legal.

00:08:28.000 And the FBI didn't even come to me, okay?

00:08:30.000 Or the Instagram police didn't come to me and they came to me.

00:08:33.000 Okay.

00:08:34.000 And what happened was we had a hearing after a few days.

00:08:36.000 I have the letter.

00:08:37.000 It's everywhere.

00:08:39.000 And what happened was before I even spoke during the hearing, which was on Zoom, and before I even spoke about my side, he was very conclusive about what they think, which is I'm a danger.

00:08:52.000 And it's not a danger on the gun.

00:08:55.000 Okay.

00:08:56.000 I'm a danger psychologically or politically in their eyes because I posted something commemorating and honoring what happened many years ago for democracy. 0.89

00:09:06.000 And also David Dorne, who frankly, I mean, I said they're hypocrites, but really they're just evil because obviously they think that if I post that, I'm a white supremacist. 0.84

00:09:16.000 How does that even make sense? 0.97

00:09:17.000 But that's what happened.

00:09:19.000 And before all of that, he was very conclusive.

00:09:22.000 And then I made a statement telling him very cordially, okay?

00:09:26.000 And I said, you know, this is just my appreciation of the rights.

00:09:29.000 And don't tread on me does not mean I'm going to do violent things.

00:09:34.000 It's a phrase people use for against big government.

00:09:38.000 And that's exactly what I was doing.

00:09:40.000 And that's what we think.

00:09:41.000 But they were acting like the big government.

00:09:44.000 And they were threatened not by my gun, not by my smile.

00:09:48.000 They were threatened that I was against possibly the interest that they're tied with.

00:09:53.000 And, you know, what happened was I made a very long statement.

00:09:57.000 And despite so, he made very weird annotations.

00:10:00.000 Okay.

00:10:01.000 He was like, you know, maybe your intentions weren't bad, but you've made an impact.

00:10:06.000 Have you heard about that?

00:10:08.000 Have you heard about that kind of analogy?

00:10:10.000 I said, no.

00:10:11.000 I said, I can't control what they think.

00:10:14.000 The Constitution and the free speech codes of Fordham University protect me.

00:10:19.000 And who cares about what they think?

00:10:21.000 And even so, I explained myself.

00:10:23.000 And despite so, I was still charged. 0.99

00:10:26.000 After a month of waiting, Charlie, I had to wait a month for them to come out with their stupid results, which was totally legal. 0.99

00:10:32.000 Not just the results, but the hearing. 0.99

00:10:33.000 It was totally legal.

00:10:35.000 And it was traumatizing.

00:10:37.000 Okay.

00:10:37.000 I'm 21 years old.

00:10:39.000 Yeah.

00:10:39.000 What were the findings?

00:10:40.000 Are you allowed back on school?

00:10:43.000 So I was banned from campus.

00:10:45.000 Okay.

00:10:46.000 I had to take implicit bias training.

00:10:49.000 And I call that political re-education.

00:10:51.000 That doesn't really sound like a Catholic school to me.

00:10:54.000 Okay.

00:10:54.000 It's a Catholic school.

00:10:55.000 And actually, you know, President Trump, he went to the school for two years.

00:10:58.000 And he made a better decision than me.

00:11:00.000 He left.

00:11:01.000 And I didn't leave.

00:11:03.000 But I'm stuck in this right now.

00:11:04.000 And it was traumatizing.

00:11:06.000 Okay.

00:11:06.000 I was studying for grad school.

00:11:08.000 I was a rising senior.

00:11:10.000 And professionally, academically, everything was going fine.

00:11:14.000 And then they hit me with this.

00:11:15.000 But you know, now we're hitting them back hard.

00:11:17.000 I'm on the Charlie Kirk show.

00:11:19.000 And that's what happened.

00:11:21.000 He charged me without any explanation why.

00:11:24.000 He charged me with, like I said, hate crime bias and threats, intimidations.

00:11:29.000 Threats who?

00:11:30.000 Threats their power maybe.

00:11:31.000 And what happened was I'm back from campus.

00:11:34.000 Okay.

00:11:35.000 The re-education course, which I have to meet with the multicultural director of the school, who is also a real beauty.

00:11:42.000 I don't really want to meet him.

00:11:43.000 And, you know, that's why I'm fighting back.

00:11:45.000 I don't want to meet him.

00:11:46.000 And what happened was I have to apologize to the school for hurting the feelings.

00:11:51.000 I'm not kidding about that.

00:11:52.000 Now I have to apologize to the school.

00:11:54.000 No, no way.

00:11:56.000 No way I'm apologizing.

00:11:57.000 And I have to give you credit because I watched all of your videos and you really changed my mindset a lot.

00:12:04.000 So a lot of what I'm saying is thanks to your education.

00:12:08.000 And frankly, your education is free.

00:12:10.000 And there isn't.

00:12:13.000 And so they're robbers.

00:12:15.000 Thank you for saying that.

00:12:17.000 And no, really, it's true.

00:12:20.000 And, you know, what happened was I didn't back down, as you can see.

00:12:25.000 And I wrote a public letter to Joseph McShane, the principal of the school.

00:12:31.000 And they didn't respond to that.

00:12:33.000 And I had many groups come to me to help, like FHIR, like NRA, Fox News, a lot of Instagrammers, and like Vince Dow, everyone.

00:12:42.000 And they all came to me.

00:12:43.000 And then we made this a sensation.

00:12:45.000 And then I have a great lawyer team right now, the JMPLP.

00:12:49.000 They're very great lawyers.

00:12:51.000 And we're fighting back.

00:12:52.000 And we filed a lawsuit.

00:12:54.000 Well, good for you.

00:12:55.000 God bless you.

00:12:55.000 I have a couple questions.

00:12:58.000 So you're not allowed on campus.

00:12:59.000 They're putting through this Maoist re-education program.

00:13:03.000 The first question I have, you're an immigrant, aren't you?

00:13:06.000 A Chinese immigrant?

00:13:08.000 I am.

00:13:08.000 So they're very insensitive.

00:13:10.000 They should take the training.

00:13:12.000 Yeah.

00:13:13.000 So explain to us, did you grow up in China?

00:13:16.000 Are your parents from China?

00:13:18.000 Can you walk us through that?

00:13:19.000 Right.

00:13:20.000 So I came here when I was six to the United States, to New York.

00:13:24.000 Okay.

00:13:25.000 And my parents came a little before me.

00:13:28.000 And I still speak very good Mandarin.

00:13:31.000 Okay.

00:13:32.000 And I still have the cultural background, but I'm very proud to be a U.S. citizen.

00:13:37.000 And I'm proud of my heritage. 0.93

00:13:38.000 But apparently, both of those things, being American or being Chinese, it's offensive to Fordham University because they probably side with dictatorships rather than people. 0.81

00:13:48.000 Yeah, so you take a stand in pro-Tian Square, which basically means pro-democracy, pro-speech, pro-people. 0.95

00:13:58.000 The three T's you can't mention in China are Taiwan, Tiananmen Square, and Tibet.

00:14:02.000 You can't do that.

00:14:03.000 They lose their mind.

00:14:04.000 Do you think that had something to do with this, Austin?

00:14:06.000 Do you think that Fordham is upset that you mentioned Tiananmen Square?

00:14:10.000 And maybe there's a Chinese connection here we're missing?

00:14:14.000 Well, you know, I'm not a lawyer.

00:14:15.000 I'm not God.

00:14:16.000 I can't see through the things that I can't see, but I have good intuition.

00:14:20.000 Okay.

00:14:20.000 And I think we all do.

00:14:22.000 And that's pretty much an answer.

00:14:25.000 Okay.

00:14:25.000 I do think they possibly have financial, political ties to things they shouldn't have.

00:14:32.000 And for sure, that's a big reason because they said I'm not a threat.

00:14:37.000 Then why did they charge me as a threat?

00:14:39.000 And they also, I missed the point.

00:14:41.000 They said they won't punish me if I take down the posts.

00:14:44.000 They punish me anyway.

00:14:46.000 So all of that doesn't add up unless they have some money going into their pockets.

00:14:51.000 And that's probably what's going on.

00:14:53.000 And that's the CCP way. 0.82

00:14:55.000 And it's disgusting.

00:14:57.000 And so let's, so what are you suing on?

00:14:59.000 What are the grounds you're suing on?

00:15:01.000 This is a private institution, right?

00:15:04.000 What is your complaint?

00:15:07.000 Right.

00:15:07.000 So, you know, they're a private university, but they're not completely unbound by the constitution because they have public funding.

00:15:14.000 Okay.

00:15:15.000 So we're suing them on many things.

00:15:18.000 For now, we're suing them on the punishments I have, which is totally illegal.

00:15:22.000 And can you believe I'm paying tuition to be punished and being banned from campus?

00:15:26.000 So I'm paying for this.

00:15:28.000 It's not a good deal.

00:15:29.000 As Trump says, it's not a good deal.

00:15:32.000 And we're suing them on Article 78 in the New York Supreme Court for now.

00:15:37.000 We're going to have additional things come up, big things, and everyone will hear about them.

00:15:42.000 And frankly, we're probably suing them on more than just free speech.

00:15:46.000 I think there was a hate crime going on against me, not me against them.

00:15:52.000 And they were against their own code of speech, which is a breach of contract.

00:15:57.000 I learned that in the legal class of Fordham, which is helpful.

00:16:00.000 And also, I have a marketing major in Fordham, and I'm using that.

00:16:05.000 So, you know, but I'm just saying this: it's defamation, it's screwing up my rest of my youth, and that's why I'm fighting right now because they screwed up my life.

00:16:15.000 And what can I do besides YOLO?

00:16:17.000 We have to fight back.

00:16:19.000 And we're going to sue them on everything that we can.

00:16:22.000 And we're going to sue not just them, also the president of the school, McShane, and also the dean, Keith Eldridge, because these people need to be taught a lesson because they always hide behind the schools.

00:16:33.000 And you know that these people need to be held accountable.

00:16:37.000 Yes.

00:16:38.000 And I'm so pleased someone is finally fighting these people on their terrain.

00:16:43.000 You are taking a very courageous stand by doing what you're doing.

00:16:47.000 These tyrants are basically betting on the idea that you will just sit down and obey.

00:16:54.000 So you filed your lawsuit officially.

00:16:56.000 I'm sure your lawyers believe you have a good chance and you have a great legal team.

00:17:00.000 I'm familiar with that.

00:17:01.000 And they wouldn't take the case if they didn't think you had a chance.

00:17:05.000 Have they tried to calm this down?

00:17:06.000 Have they tried to tell, hey, Austin, maybe we can come meet in the middle?

00:17:10.000 Or what is their reaction now? 0.98

00:17:12.000 They're very arrogant. 1.00

00:17:14.000 They're robbers. 1.00

00:17:14.000 They're thieves. 1.00

00:17:15.000 They're crooked. 1.00

00:17:16.000 I can say all kinds of adjectives, but I wouldn't.

00:17:19.000 And they even restricted their Instagram comments.

00:17:22.000 So I think that's pretty obvious what they're thinking.

00:17:25.000 And they're not backing down so far.

00:17:27.000 So I do think this will be a very long lawsuit.

00:17:30.000 Okay.

00:17:31.000 I personally think I'm not a lawyer, but I think that because they've had a terrible record in the past, which maybe you covered in free speech.

00:17:40.000 And a lot of them, they were backing down.

00:17:42.000 A lot of them, they are, you know, scared.

00:17:45.000 But that's why we're suing the people too.

00:17:46.000 So maybe they'll be more scared.

00:17:48.000 But we have to keep putting pressure on them.

00:17:50.000 And hopefully, the Trump government intervenes because obviously they violated the executive order that President Trump passed, which is on free speech in campuses.

00:18:02.000 So hopefully this thing goes the opposite of their benefit.

00:18:09.000 As soon as we're done here, I'm going to tweet out that President Trump should defund Fordham because if there's ever an example of free speech rights being violated, he should just completely defund it. 0.98

00:18:20.000 So you are an immigrant from China to America. 0.95

00:18:24.000 You care more about what our country stands for than our own natural-born Americans.

00:18:30.000 Do you find the people that were at Fordham that were really upset?

00:18:34.000 Were they immigrants or are they mostly white liberals from the Northeast?

00:18:38.000 And I don't mean to generalize.

00:18:40.000 I'm just curious.

00:18:42.000 Well, I think that's a good answer.

00:18:44.000 It's not a generalization.

00:18:45.000 That was mostly true.

00:18:48.000 And they're the bad people.

00:18:49.000 I've been calling them the bad people.

00:18:50.000 And we're fighting for them too.

00:18:52.000 And you're fighting for these people too, because they can't see the appreciation of what they have in this country.

00:18:58.000 And it was them, okay, when I posted it.

00:19:00.000 They called me a white supremacist. 0.99

00:19:02.000 They told me to die. 0.99

00:19:03.000 They told me, look, I'm more yellow than anyone else. 0.87

00:19:06.000 Okay. 1.00

00:19:07.000 And they call me white, which is not a bad thing. 1.00

00:19:10.000 Okay.

00:19:11.000 And white supremacy is the farthest thing we can have in this.

00:19:14.000 This is freedom.

00:19:15.000 This is appreciation.

00:19:17.000 This is being grateful in a time when the country is going to hell.

00:19:20.000 Okay.

00:19:21.000 And I do feel that what I did is not just a personal statement.

00:19:24.000 It's also a response responsibility as a citizen to voice a different opinion against the mob.

00:19:30.000 And that's who they are.

00:19:32.000 So I love this country more than they do.

00:19:35.000 And they don't like this country.

00:19:36.000 Frankly, they should get out of here.

00:19:38.000 Yes, you do.

00:19:39.000 You actually believe in what you, I mean, you had a legally acquired firearm.

00:19:43.000 You didn't threaten anyone.

00:19:45.000 Fordham is not the government.

00:19:47.000 And they sent, I just want to reiterate what you said, Austin.

00:19:50.000 They sent some sort of federale to your home to basically investigate you as if it's a Roger Stone raid, right?

00:19:58.000 At 10 p.m. at night.

00:20:00.000 And then you were nice enough to actually show him the certification of your firearm legally acquired.

00:20:06.000 And you said he was a nice guy.

00:20:07.000 That's fine.

00:20:08.000 I'm sure some of these people are nice, but he was still an instrument for tyranny.

00:20:12.000 And then he goes and calls you and tells you to take down the posts.

00:20:16.000 And then they put you through some tribunal, right?

00:20:19.000 Some sort of Maoist re-educational tribunal.

00:20:22.000 Your parents grew up in China, right?

00:20:25.000 They lived probably through the Cultural Revolution or right after it, right?

00:20:29.000 They are familiar with Mao's little red book.

00:20:31.000 They know the Red Guard.

00:20:33.000 They must just be so confused by this, Austin, right?

00:20:37.000 I mean, they must say like, what is going on in this country?

00:20:42.000 I think you really made a great point, Charlie.

00:20:45.000 And that's the perspective of immigrants. 0.92

00:20:47.000 And the people that the left says they care about, which is immigrants, they don't care about us, okay?

00:20:53.000 Frankly, this is a lesson for me. 0.76

00:20:55.000 They don't care about me or anyone else.

00:20:57.000 They brand you something they don't like.

00:20:59.000 And it is a confusing time for myself, my parents.

00:21:02.000 And that is confusing.

00:21:03.000 It's a sad, traumatizing time. 0.98

00:21:06.000 And for all immigrants, because most immigrants come from countries where they don't have the freedoms in the countries that they have here. 1.00

00:21:14.000 And they really crush that. 1.00

00:21:17.000 What's going on in this country right now is a revolution that's tearing down the culture of this country.

00:21:22.000 It's tearing down the constitution.

00:21:24.000 And all in the name of social justice, I don't see justice being done.

00:21:27.000 We need justice against them.

00:21:28.000 We need to cancel them.

00:21:29.000 Okay.

00:21:30.000 So it's very confusing.

00:21:32.000 And when before all of this, I was watching your show.

00:21:37.000 I was a viewer.

00:21:38.000 Okay.

00:21:38.000 Now I'm experiencing this.

00:21:40.000 I really feel it.

00:21:41.000 And I feel it's a disgrace because they shouldn't be doing this.

00:21:45.000 They're tearing down the freedoms that give them the freedom to tear down this country.

00:21:50.000 Okay.

00:21:50.000 And that's probably the most shameful thing that anyone can say.

00:21:54.000 Amen.

00:21:55.000 And you're doing the next incredible heroic thing is you're actually fighting these tyrants.

00:22:01.000 How easy would it have been, Austin, to sit down and obey, go through their re-education program, go take a knee, plead for mercy, get your degree, and then go back into it?

00:22:11.000 Did that cross your radar at all?

00:22:15.000 What compels you to fight?

00:22:17.000 And I appreciate the kind words.

00:22:18.000 Thank you.

00:22:19.000 But you're a fighter now.

00:22:20.000 You're a fighter not just for yourself, but for what's good and right in our country.

00:22:23.000 And our listeners and our viewers are going to look to you as inspiration.

00:22:27.000 Why did you decide to fight?

00:22:30.000 Well, you know, I'm not a hero.

00:22:32.000 I'm just a regular guy.

00:22:33.000 Okay.

00:22:34.000 And in the beginning, when they said, if you take down the posts, we won't charge you anything because you're not a threat.

00:22:40.000 You know, you're a good guy.

00:22:41.000 And they told me that.

00:22:42.000 I thought, okay, let's just back down.

00:22:44.000 And that's probably the worst thing you can do for whoever's listening to this.

00:22:48.000 That's the worst thing you can do.

00:22:49.000 You got to be like Charlie and maybe like Austin, but you can't be like that.

00:22:52.000 Okay.

00:22:53.000 And what happened is if you do that, if I did that, if I go by their terms, if I apologize, that'll all be my record.

00:23:01.000 And as a person that's graduating from a very good business school, I mean, it's good for what they produce, me, but for what they have in the record, it's terrible.

00:23:10.000 But for me, I had a bright future coming up and they just covered it, okay, with dirt.

00:23:17.000 And if you do that, you know, you're going to be ruined for the rest of your life.

00:23:21.000 Everyone's going to know you're a racist.

00:23:23.000 All the jobs that you seek will know you're not someone to hire.

00:23:27.000 So don't do that.

00:23:28.000 If you do that, you think you're getting away with it.

00:23:30.000 You're not getting away with it.

00:23:31.000 They're getting away with it.

00:23:32.000 You just got to fight back.

00:23:33.000 And that's what I'm doing.

00:23:34.000 I'm betting the rest of my youth into this.

00:23:37.000 Okay.

00:23:37.000 And it's not just for myself now.

00:23:40.000 And it's not just for my lawyer team now.

00:23:43.000 For all people, all Americans, all college students, people from across the world who are so confused by this because they think America is a free country, which is deteriorating right now.

00:23:53.000 So, this is a fight for, yeah, right.

00:23:55.000 I hope this can be a president, a legal president for the country.

00:24:00.000 Well, Austin, I'm going to do what I can through Divest You at Turning Point to get every donor to pull their gifts from Fordham University.

00:24:08.000 I mean, what an unacceptable set of circumstances.

00:24:11.000 And I don't mean to belabor this point at all, but I want to repeat exactly what's happening here for impact. 1.00

00:24:17.000 You're a Chinese immigrant who came here at six years old.

00:24:20.000 You got very good grades and went to Fordham University.

00:24:22.000 You minded your own business. 0.99

00:24:24.000 You made a singular post to commemorate the death of a black police officer and called the general community that didn't mourn him a hypocrite. 0.88

00:24:31.000 Then, to commemorate something that happened to your country of origination, Tiananmen Square, when people were slaughtered, you commemorated it, which is a pro-democracy moment.

00:24:41.000 And you happen to hold a legally acquired AR-15.

00:24:44.000 Nothing controversial about that at all.

00:24:47.000 Because of that, they send in the Gestapo or the Red Guard to go after you.

00:24:53.000 They search your firearm, they write you up, and they say, in order for you to still stay at our university, you must apologize, go through a tribunal, and all this.

00:25:00.000 And even worse, they kick you off campus and you're not allowed.

00:25:03.000 And what you do in response is you say, This is not why I came to this country.

00:25:09.000 I'm suing you.

00:25:11.000 That's pretty awesome, Austin.

00:25:12.000 How can people help you?

00:25:14.000 Well, people can speak up.

00:25:17.000 People have to stand up for themselves.

00:25:19.000 And people should know more about this.

00:25:21.000 People should know that they're not alone.

00:25:24.000 And I meant to be a hero, but now I'm here for everyone.

00:25:29.000 And people need to speak up.

00:25:30.000 That's all I can say.

00:25:31.000 If everyone spoke up a little more about their opinions, they don't back down, this country will be in much better shape.

00:25:37.000 And frankly, what's just as scary as the virus is the lack of talking by people.

00:25:43.000 People are, you can't be the silent majority anymore.

00:25:45.000 You got to speak up.

00:25:46.000 And that doesn't matter if you're a Democrat or Republican.

00:25:49.000 You just got to speak up.

00:25:50.000 And that's the American way.

00:25:51.000 And that's all I can say: how you can help me and help everyone in the country.

00:25:56.000 Well, we are 100% behind you, Austin.

00:25:59.000 And, you know, I think the university, they're going to try all their tricks they can to get this thing thrown out in court.

00:26:06.000 However, a public pressure campaign of people listening to this right now, they haven't turned off comments on everything.

00:26:12.000 To all my listeners and viewers, email Fordham.

00:26:15.000 It's Fordham.edu.

00:26:16.000 Go to their website and flood their inbox and talk about the tyranny that they are doing to Austin.

00:26:21.000 Be relentless.

00:26:22.000 Be respectful, but be relentless because this is autocratic behavior.

00:26:27.000 And what really, you know, it's really interesting, Austin, in the couple minutes we have remaining, I've been studying how Mao came to power.

00:26:35.000 And your parents grew up in this.

00:26:37.000 If they didn't have, you know, and I don't know the age of your parents, but they were probably right around.

00:26:42.000 If they didn't have the little red book, you could get in a lot of trouble. 0.87

00:26:45.000 If you dare disagree with Mao, they put a bullet in your head.

00:26:49.000 And here they come to seek freedom and opportunity so that their child can then go be stomped out by Maoist tactics.

00:26:55.000 I mean, this is something that Americans better wake up to very quickly.

00:27:00.000 And you're a hero.

00:27:01.000 And I know you don't want that label, but that's fine.

00:27:03.000 I'm going to say it anyway.

00:27:04.000 Because I can't tell you how many people that would have just took down, just took it themselves. 0.99

00:27:09.000 And here you are, an immigrant to our country.

00:27:11.000 We need more immigrants like you, by the way, that actually love our country.

00:27:13.000 Like, what a concept that actually stand and fight.

00:27:17.000 Any closing thoughts, Austin, about the direction of the country politically and where you think what would happen if good people decide not to fight?

00:27:27.000 We need good people to fight.

00:27:29.000 We need more Charlie Kirks and Austins.

00:27:32.000 I have to say this.

00:27:34.000 Don't say ever that what happens in other countries won't happen in America.

00:27:39.000 Okay, this has been my mind for a while.

00:27:42.000 Why we have everything we have in this country right now is because people are fighting, people were fighting for the constitutional rights that they have in this country.

00:27:51.000 And that's why we have everything we have now.

00:27:54.000 It's not because it's granted for free.

00:27:56.000 Freedom is not free.

00:27:58.000 And people have to realize that.

00:27:59.000 And that's all I can say.

00:28:00.000 You got to stand up for your country.

00:28:02.000 And standing for your country first starts with standing up for yourself.

00:28:05.000 And we got to keep doing that.

00:28:07.000 Amen.

00:28:08.000 I know I talk about on the podcast, Austin.

00:28:11.000 Find the tyrant in your life and find up against that tyrant.

00:28:15.000 And for the people watching this that are a little bit in the middle, like, I don't know if I can fight, you're putting everything on the line.

00:28:22.000 You're deciding to sue your university.

00:28:24.000 Your name is now a national news name.

00:28:26.000 It's a partisan name for doing nothing wrong.

00:28:28.000 And they were the ones that did something wrong.

00:28:30.000 And I hope that our listeners draw inspiration.

00:28:32.000 But also, everyone listening or watching to this, communicate with either a tweet, a Facebook post, or an email to Fordham.

00:28:40.000 You must have so much incoming to this university right now.

00:28:43.000 Rally the support so that they hear from decent and reasonable Americans about how they have become basically a Maoist institution.

00:28:51.000 Austin, is there any social media way that people can contact you or support you?

00:28:55.000 Is there any way that our listeners can follow and learn more about your lawsuit?

00:28:59.000 Yes, they can follow me on Twitter or Instagram.

00:29:03.000 My Instagram is a funny name.

00:29:04.000 It's Comrade Meow.

00:29:06.000 It's a cute name.

00:29:07.000 Comrade Meow.

00:29:08.000 Meow as an a cat.

00:29:10.000 Comrade Meow.

00:29:11.000 Meow. 0.92

00:29:12.000 M-E-O-W. 0.74

00:29:14.000 So not Comrade Mao, but Comrade Meow.

00:29:17.000 Comrade Meow.

00:29:18.000 And that's a slap to them. 0.74

00:29:20.000 And it's funny.

00:29:21.000 And I like it.

00:29:22.000 And it's not scary at all.

00:29:23.000 I don't know why Fordham is being such a, I can't say the word, I'll say, such a little baby.

00:29:31.000 So I'll say that.

00:29:32.000 And you can follow me on Twitter, which is real Austin Tong.

00:29:35.000 I want to make it Comrade Meow, but someone already took it, unfortunately.

00:29:39.000 Comrade Meow, not Comrade Mao, but Comrade Meow.

00:29:43.000 Fordham is just one example of the tyranny in our country.

00:29:47.000 You know, Austin, can you finish by one thing?

00:29:51.000 Can you tell us about Tiananmen Square?

00:29:52.000 A lot of people don't know it.

00:29:53.000 One man stood up against a tank and it changed a lot, didn't it?

00:29:57.000 Yes.

00:29:58.000 It's a sign that Americans and Westerners have never seen before because they're privileged to be in a country that gives them freedom.

00:30:08.000 And that picture and everything we're doing, everything that's happened is a wake-up call, even if it's many years ago.

00:30:15.000 It's a wake-up call every day for Americans to preserve their rights and stand up against tyranny, as you say.

00:30:21.000 And we have to remember that.

00:30:23.000 Maybe you are the man standing up against the tank.

00:30:25.000 That changed a lot.

00:30:27.000 So you're an inspiration.

00:30:28.000 So keep fighting.

00:30:30.000 Austin, we have your back.

00:30:31.000 It is Comrade Meow on Instagram.

00:30:33.000 Everyone follow it and contact Fordham.

00:30:35.000 Those apparatchiks must be contacted.

00:30:38.000 Keep fighting.

00:30:38.000 We have your back.

00:30:39.000 Thank you, Austin.

00:30:40.000 God bless you.

00:30:41.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:30:41.000 You too.

00:30:44.000 What an incredible interview with Austin Tong.

00:30:46.000 I was inspired, honestly, by interviewing him.

00:30:48.000 If you guys want to get involved with Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com, tpusa.com.

00:30:53.000 Email me your thoughts at freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:30:56.000 Stand and fight right now, everybody.

00:30:58.000 If that interview with Austin Tong does not make you animated to do something, email me at freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:31:04.000 Your thoughts on that interview.

00:31:06.000 Contact Fordham.

00:31:07.000 Do something about it.

00:31:09.000 For 10 people that can show me that you have contacted Fordham, I am going to give you a signed copy of the New York Times bestseller, The MAGA Doctrine.

00:31:17.000 It is despicable what this school is making this young man go through.

00:31:21.000 They are anti-immigrant.

00:31:22.000 They're anti-other cultures. 0.98

00:31:24.000 I think Fordham is a xenophobic institution that is run by white liberals that want to destroy America. 0.85

00:31:30.000 Austin Tong is fighting for America more than most Americans are.

00:31:34.000 Thank you guys for listening to us.

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00:31:47.000 You guys are going to love it.

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00:31:49.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:31:50.000 Time to fight.

00:31:52.000 God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 10, 2020

Banned from Fordham University, Austin Tong Fights Back

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