The Charlie Kirk Show - Banned from Twitter and the Fight to Free @ALX

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00:00:08.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk show, we talk to someone who has been digitally assassinated by Twitter.

00:00:14.000 His identity no longer exists, but we have him here today.

00:00:18.000 He was retweeted by the president over seven times, and he is an incredible story.

00:00:22.000 At ALX, Alex LaRusso is here.

00:00:24.000 We talk social media tech bias and so much more.

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00:01:12.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:12.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:16.000 We have discussed at length tech bias, censorship, and the power that social media companies have over the discussion happening in America, political speech, and quite honestly, how digital and social media companies can almost digitally assassinate people.

00:01:36.000 They can topple governments.

00:01:38.000 They have a massive amount of authority over what people think and how they communicate.

00:01:46.000 You heard me talk previously about a friend of mine, Alex LaRusso, who works at Turning Point USA in a variety of different ways, who was very active on Twitter, retweeted by the President of the United States multiple times, grew his Twitter to over 100,000 followers.

00:02:04.000 And then one day, his Twitter just got deleted, disappeared.

00:02:08.000 And I'm honored to have Alex, who's also known as ALX formerly on Twitter, here with us today.

00:02:14.000 Nice to be here.

00:02:14.000 Hey, Alex.

00:02:15.000 Thank you for the opportunity to share my story about what happened.

00:02:19.000 So Alex, we've been working together for a little time now.

00:02:23.000 And you work very hard.

00:02:26.000 The president loved your material.

00:02:27.000 You gained a lot of notoriety.

00:02:29.000 And what happened to you was just outrageous and immoral and wrong.

00:02:33.000 Tell us about it.

00:02:35.000 Okay, so it was right after a tweet by Joe Biden's campaign.

00:02:43.000 They sent out a tweet saying, make your own avatar in support of Vice President Biden.

00:02:51.000 So being the internet troll that I am at sometimes, I thought it would be funny to make a meme out of that where I put President Xi of China in for where you were supposed to put yourself saying I support Vice President Biden.

00:03:10.000 So I put that in and about 10 minutes later, I received a notification saying that my account has been suspended from Twitter.

00:03:20.000 And so they didn't email me or give me any specific reason.

00:03:25.000 They just told me that I was suspended with no other reason.

00:03:29.000 So initially, I thought it was that meme that I posted, and that's what everyone else assumed.

00:03:35.000 There were a few articles.

00:03:36.000 They also said that that was the reason.

00:03:40.000 So we tried to communicate with Twitter and we tried to appeal the suspension, tried to find out what was going on.

00:03:47.000 And it turns out that they had suspended me because I had an account suspended in the past.

00:03:53.000 So I had an account suspended in the past about two years ago.

00:03:58.000 And they never really gave any background on it.

00:04:02.000 So the account that I was using at ALX, that was just not affected by the suspension, like the initial suspension that I had two years ago, which frankly I kind of slipped my mind.

00:04:15.000 So I was continuing to use that account.

00:04:17.000 I was retweeted by the president, like you mentioned, about seven times, and I was growing exponentially.

00:04:22.000 It's a massive deal.

00:04:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:04:24.000 And for them to go back and find something from two years ago where they gave me no background and say that we're going to take you off Twitter because of this, mind you, they normally give a warning.

00:04:40.000 I went back and they actually said that I was suspended initially for having, what they say, multiple accounts for malicious purposes.

00:04:50.000 So I looked into that violation and they didn't really give any specifics about what that meant.

00:04:56.000 I did have a couple of accounts, but for example, I made an account to help my small business that I worked at two years ago.

00:05:07.000 It was called Emerald Meats.

00:05:08.000 It was a butcher shop.

00:05:09.000 So I wouldn't call that malicious, maybe to vegans, but I don't think that's malicious at all.

00:05:16.000 I also had a Twitter account when I was in high school where it was a Spanish Twitter account where I'd get extra credit for tweeting in Spanish.

00:05:24.000 So that was another account that I had.

00:05:26.000 I don't consider any of these to be malicious purposes.

00:05:30.000 So for them to take every account that I had down in the past except for a few, like the other one at ALX, which I just continued to use, is frankly, it's kind of disturbing how they can just go back.

00:05:44.000 Yeah, let's talk about this.

00:05:45.000 So you're a real human being, Alex LaRusso.

00:05:48.000 Yes.

00:05:49.000 And you would probably spend eight, nine hours a day on Twitter?

00:05:53.000 Probably more.

00:05:54.000 I have my screen time on after a friend asked me that same question, and it turns out about 12, 13 hours sometimes.

00:06:01.000 And it wasn't unproductive.

00:06:03.000 I want to make our audience clear.

00:06:05.000 ALX, Alex, in front of me right now, he's one of the most brilliant minds digitally.

00:06:09.000 He understands trends, how to spread information, how to counter message.

00:06:13.000 So it wasn't like you were just flipping through errantly.

00:06:16.000 And so 12 hours a day for years, and it just disappears.

00:06:21.000 And so I want to just talk about the immorality of this.

00:06:21.000 Yes.

00:06:24.000 And then we'll get into the technical stuff, which is important.

00:06:26.000 But how can a company just delete something you spend so much time on?

00:06:31.000 Yeah, so that's a good question because a lot of people talk about how it's technically your property when it becomes when you create it.

00:06:39.000 You're thinking of the tweets.

00:06:41.000 So you're not an employee of Twitter.

00:06:43.000 Yeah.

00:06:43.000 Exactly.

00:06:44.000 So you're creating the content on their platform, which they claim to be.

00:06:48.000 So technically, I would think that that would be your intellectual property, your thoughts, your work, everything going into that.

00:06:55.000 So for them to just take it away without any sort of specific explanation or even warning at all, like, it is immoral because it's taking away a piece of you.

00:07:10.000 Exactly.

00:07:11.000 And that's not an overstatement.

00:07:12.000 It's almost...

00:07:14.000 It's almost, and I don't want to be overly hyperbolic here, but it's like chopping off an arm.

00:07:20.000 Yeah.

00:07:21.000 I mean, it's something that meant something to you that was useful to you, that was part of your identity.

00:07:26.000 And especially in these times where, like, I'm in an industry where viral politics, it's very, very useful and almost impossible to not have a Twitter account in these times.

00:07:38.000 The President of the United States uses Twitter a lot.

00:07:42.000 How am I going to have my work seen by the President of the United States?

00:07:46.000 Appeals were made.

00:07:47.000 I sent private messages, and I'm incredibly irritated with how I was treated.

00:07:53.000 And that's not even about you.

00:07:55.000 Because I'm one of the most engaged Twitter accounts on the planet.

00:07:58.000 I don't say that braggadociously.

00:07:59.000 I'm just, if I can't get them to respond, there's something very wrong.

00:08:04.000 And I have 1.7 million Twitter followers.

00:08:07.000 I've tweeted 42,700 times.

00:08:09.000 I've had an account since 2011.

00:08:12.000 I've spent probably tens of thousands of hours on Twitter pouring into that platform, thinking about funny, insightful, wise things, you know, to be able to, hopefully wise things to say.

00:08:23.000 And when I went up the food chain to try to appeal your decision, I was told you know why you were suspended.

00:08:29.000 Do you know why you were suspended, ALX?

00:08:31.000 I frankly do not.

00:08:32.000 And the interface that we had that they claimed was when you appeal a Twitter suspension, you fill out a form, and then they send you back an automated email.

00:08:42.000 The automated email essentially read like, again, an automated email, like they didn't even read my appeal.

00:08:49.000 So they just said, sorry, you violated our terms and your account will not be reinstated.

00:08:55.000 So that's not a reason why.

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00:09:51.000 So you can't go on Twitter and if you even dare, they're monitoring emails and IP addresses and they're hawking you.

00:09:57.000 Yes.

00:09:58.000 So there's no way you can create a new Twitter.

00:10:00.000 No.

00:10:00.000 Are you the only one that's been banned?

00:10:02.000 Oh, no.

00:10:03.000 There's been a whole host, even this week.

00:10:06.000 The President of the United States, if he was not the President of the United States, he would have had already multiple strikes against his account.

00:10:15.000 To use a Google term. 0.51

00:10:16.000 So yesterday, they were talking about how the Chaz protesters were basically, that trend was migrating to Washington, D.C. 0.82

00:10:27.000 And they were saying, oh, we want to take our own autonomous zone into D.C.

00:10:30.000 So the president said, if they do that, they will be met with force.

00:10:34.000 Twitter says that violated their rules.

00:10:36.000 The president of the United States is telling protesters, as the media is calling them, that they cannot establish their own police-free, law-free zone within the nation's capital.

00:10:48.000 I think that's frankly dangerous.

00:10:50.000 But if he was a private citizen that wasn't the president of the United States, that tweet would have been removed.

00:10:56.000 And also this week, a famous meme stern that the president...

00:11:01.000 Carpe Donkum.

00:11:03.000 Yes, Carpe Donkum.

00:11:04.000 Why did they ban him?

00:11:05.000 So it's actually kind of complicated.

00:11:07.000 So initially, they thought it was the meme of the two toddlers that went viral last week that the president also tweeted that they labeled manipulated media because he was making a point where CNN and other mainstream media outlets cover a narrative inaccurately and try and purvey their own message when that's not what actually happened.

00:11:31.000 So he had the CNN Chiron, obviously Photoshopped.

00:11:35.000 It had the watermark of Carpe Donkum's account right there.

00:11:38.000 Clearly a joke and clearly a meme.

00:11:40.000 So it was manipulated media, blah, blah, blah.

00:11:43.000 So that was a whole thing.

00:11:45.000 And then it turns out it was removed for copyright violations.

00:11:49.000 And that was, I think it was a week ago when that happened.

00:11:51.000 So Carpe was banned yesterday for too many DMCA violations, which Twitter never even tells them.

00:11:58.000 What's a DMCA?

00:11:59.000 Just walk our audience to that.

00:12:01.000 So it's the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

00:12:04.000 And that's when if somebody makes a claim that they have their property in a video, that they'll take it down because that's a violation of Twitter's rules.

00:12:14.000 So I guess normally what happens is you just say, okay, you agree to read their terms and say, okay, I'll take down the tweet.

00:12:21.000 And that's normally what happens.

00:12:23.000 So Twitter never really tells you how many you get.

00:12:27.000 It's a very secretive process.

00:12:29.000 Exactly.

00:12:29.000 So you have these authoritarian 20-something tyrants that were educated at the same universities that we fight against at Turning Point USA.

00:12:36.000 They hate me.

00:12:37.000 They hate Trump. 0.97

00:12:38.000 They hate America.

00:12:39.000 A lot of them hate themselves that have incredible authority and power to just make someone disappear.

00:12:50.000 And all that work, I mean, I think I put a lot of work into my Twitter account.

00:12:55.000 You see some of the edits that Carpe Dongtum makes.

00:12:58.000 And these are dozens of hours of work in some of this content.

00:13:01.000 Yeah, and it's not unseen.

00:13:04.000 The president loves his work, and I'm not even sure if he's heard about it yet, but I'm sure he's going to be upset when it happens.

00:13:12.000 Everyone in the administration, everyone in the movement loves his work.

00:13:15.000 Memes are funny.

00:13:17.000 And I also think it's an unfair target on his back because the people who have higher audiences, they're more likely to get a copyright violation.

00:13:27.000 So say someone with 20 followers tweets 100 times as many copyrighted material as Carpe Dongtum does.

00:13:35.000 They're not going to get their stuff taken down because the President of the United States isn't tweeting.

00:13:39.000 Now, are these rules applied equally, left versus right?

00:13:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:43.000 So they are not definitely applied.

00:13:45.000 Here's some examples.

00:13:47.000 Ice Cube posted manipulated media, didn't he?

00:13:51.000 Yes.

00:13:51.000 That wrongly claimed Derek Chauvin with the Make America Greggen hat.

00:13:54.000 That one comes to mind.

00:13:56.000 So, yeah.

00:13:56.000 Yep.

00:13:58.000 So those ones, maybe they'll get marked as that.

00:14:02.000 And this draws me back to the example of what happened during the Covington Catholic Kids incident.

00:14:09.000 So there were hundreds of death threats online.

00:14:13.000 Not only is it against Twitter's rules to make.

00:14:15.000 Kathy Griffin, I think, said something right now.

00:14:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:17.000 Her, among many other blue check marks on Twitter. 0.98

00:14:21.000 Blue check marks are verified according to verified accounts, yes.

00:14:25.000 You and I know the terminology, not everyone does.

00:14:27.000 So they're celebrities.

00:14:29.000 And so during Covington, they had so many death threats.

00:14:35.000 A lot of them stayed on Twitter for hours.

00:14:37.000 One of them was even reported, and then they got an email back saying, sorry, this didn't violate our terms.

00:14:43.000 So these attacks ranged from encouraging school shootings to burning down the school to even having an image of a wood chipper saying MAGA hat kids going through the wood chipper screaming.

00:14:55.000 So it's funny. 0.87

00:14:58.000 So the person in charge of the area of the company that enforces these rules, Vahaya God, I think her name is, she was actually asked on Joe Rogan's podcast by Tim Poole why these tweets or why these people were still on the platform.

00:15:16.000 So her excuse was that they were actioned but not in the way that Tim Poole would like them to be.

00:15:21.000 AKA, they still maintained their verified status and they still got to keep their account.

00:15:27.000 So what happened is one of even just one of these accounts made multiple of that threats and all together.

00:15:33.000 Yeah, against high school kids.

00:15:33.000 Against children.

00:15:35.000 And all Twitter did was make them delete that tweet.

00:15:38.000 There was a very interesting episode on Rogan where he dove into this and I thought the answers were so lackluster, to be honest with you.

00:15:45.000 Was just so corporate and so rehearsed, and the rules are so unequally applied.

00:15:52.000 I mean, you see how the left is able to basically use Twitter as their own medium, as their own source of communication and their own source of camaraderie.

00:16:04.000 It's outrageous.

00:16:05.000 And you have the quote right there.

00:16:06.000 Yeah, so she said after he asked why they weren't permanently suspended, she said it's a very rare occasion where we'll outright suspend someone without any sort of warning or any sort of ability to understand what happened.

00:16:19.000 And Tim pressed her on that because he was actually targeted by Antifa.

00:16:24.000 I believe he was doxxed, and he was reaching out to Twitter saying, why aren't you taking this down?

00:16:30.000 This is my personal information.

00:16:31.000 So he kept pressing her, and she said, we want people to understand what they did wrong, give them an opportunity not to do it again.

00:16:38.000 And it's a big thing, again, to kick someone off the platform.

00:16:42.000 I take that very seriously.

00:16:44.000 So I want to make sure when someone violates our rules, they understand what happened and they are given an opportunity to know, you know, get back on the platform and change their behavior.

00:16:53.000 So I would love to ask her where that was in my instance, where I wasn't given anything.

00:16:57.000 You weren't giving any notification. 0.97

00:16:59.000 She just lied.

00:16:59.000 At all.

00:17:00.000 And even when I, in my appeal, I reached out and I said, look, I think it was a misunderstanding.

00:17:08.000 I would love to explain what happened.

00:17:10.000 I'd love to have you guys explain what you think happened.

00:17:14.000 And so I can, again, using her words, understand what I did so I don't do what apparently they think is violating the rules.

00:17:23.000 So those are her words and not mine.

00:17:25.000 And she's heading the Trust and Safety Council, which is in charge of enforcing those policies.

00:17:32.000 So if that's the head of that area of the company, why are what she's saying in public different from her actions? 0.86

00:17:40.000 Well, I think Twitter has truly become a left-wing organizing tool.

00:17:45.000 And they've made it.

00:17:47.000 I mean, they have gone so outside the realm of normalcy recently.

00:17:52.000 And Jack Dorsey, what has he been saying?

00:17:56.000 So Jack Dorsey, he's been kind of quiet.

00:17:59.000 CEO of Twitter, so he's been kind of quiet in a sense where he's not going on a full-out public campaign against the president or against conservatives.

00:18:12.000 But when, like in certain instances, when the president's ad, one of the president's ads got taken down, that was a George Floyd memorial ad.

00:18:21.000 I guess one of the pictures was the property of a photojournalist that claimed copyright.

00:18:28.000 So they took it down.

00:18:30.000 And Trump tweeted that it was wrong and illegal and censorship.

00:18:33.000 And he quoted it.

00:18:34.000 Jack Dorsey, the CEO of Twitter, did, and said that it was a lie and that it was copyright violation.

00:18:40.000 So he's been inserting his bias on Twitter, but I mean, he hasn't been as vocal as some of the other people.

00:18:49.000 I mean, his employees have been outrageous.

00:18:51.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:18:52.000 There's been death threats against other people in the administration.

00:18:57.000 I remember seeing there was someone who was tweeting every time Dan Scavino, who is the social media director at the White House, every time he was tweeting, this guy would be replying.

00:19:08.000 This is a Twitter employee, saying that they can't wait until they get arrested and that they were coming for the White House next and that they all deserve to be locked up and in jail, Scovino, Trump, and everyone in his administration.

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00:20:28.000 So can you help for some of our older listeners explain the significance of this?

00:20:33.000 And so I struggle with this because they're like, oh, so what, Twitter or Facebook?

00:20:37.000 Like, what's the big deal?

00:20:38.000 I mean, the only way I could possibly explain it is imagine a world where all of a sudden the TV companies could decide that Fox News can no longer be shown.

00:20:52.000 Like it just disappears.

00:20:54.000 I want you to imagine that.

00:20:55.000 How angry would you be if all of a sudden you can't watch Tucker?

00:20:58.000 Like that's the equivalent of what happens every single day on Twitter is these tech tyrants just push the button and they decide, nope, you can't do it.

00:21:07.000 Now what I can understand though, Alex, is they say they're a platform, but they act like a publisher.

00:21:15.000 Correct.

00:21:16.000 Yeah, so they and they're also given special protections by our government under section 230 of the Communications and Decency Act.

00:21:24.000 So in good faith that they're acting as a platform which they're not allowed to make editorial judgments and just take out what they don't like.

00:21:35.000 They're supposed to be, that would be a publisher.

00:21:38.000 So there's supposed to be a platform where people are able to talk.

00:21:41.000 You gave the example of like a TV station.

00:21:44.000 I'd like to say maybe even say like a telephone company.

00:21:48.000 Yeah, what if they just disconnect your line if you've all of a sudden you say MAGA?

00:21:51.000 Exactly.

00:21:52.000 So a picture for older listeners, maybe picture you're having a conversation with a friend and you just say something that the owners of the telephone company don't like and they disconnect the line permanently and they don't even tell you why.

00:22:07.000 So that could be an explanation of just how jarring it is.

00:22:14.000 And even further, like I explained earlier, how in my career path, it's almost necessary to have a Twitter account.

00:22:22.000 So not only are you shutting down conversation, but you're like shutting down entire careers.

00:22:27.000 So, and I also imagine for our older listeners, you board American Airlines and you're in seat 18A and you have the Wall Street Journal in your briefcase and you open it up and all of a sudden a flight attendant says, sir, you're going to have to leave the aircraft.

00:22:42.000 We don't allow Wall Street Journal readers get out.

00:22:44.000 You say, what do you mean?

00:22:45.000 I have to get to Tucson.

00:22:48.000 Why someone would be going to Tucson?

00:22:49.000 I'm kidding.

00:22:50.000 We love our friends in Tucson.

00:22:51.000 Kidding, of course.

00:22:52.000 No, there's a big Phoenix-Tucon rivalry.

00:22:55.000 But I have to get to Boston.

00:22:56.000 How about that?

00:22:57.000 I have to get to Boston.

00:22:59.000 And why though?

00:23:01.000 I'm kidding.

00:23:02.000 Going to Boston.

00:23:03.000 Good place.

00:23:04.000 And I have to get there.

00:23:06.000 This is the only flight.

00:23:08.000 I have to get there for a very specific purpose for my job.

00:23:11.000 Sir, we don't allow people that read the Wall Street Journal to go to Boston.

00:23:15.000 And they take you off the aircraft.

00:23:17.000 You're strength.

00:23:17.000 Exactly.

00:23:18.000 You have no way to get there.

00:23:20.000 And all of a sudden you try to rebook the flight.

00:23:22.000 They say, sorry, Wall Street Journal readers are not allowed on our aircraft.

00:23:26.000 But they might say, no, you violated our terms of service at American Airlines.

00:23:30.000 What are you talking about?

00:23:31.000 You know what you did.

00:23:32.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:23:33.000 That's a similar analogy.

00:23:34.000 Yeah.

00:23:35.000 Yeah, and there's.

00:23:36.000 And you're banned from the airline forever.

00:23:38.000 Exactly.

00:23:39.000 And there's a limited amount of airlines, too.

00:23:41.000 Just like there's even a smaller amount of tech companies.

00:23:45.000 And there's like six airlines, three major ones.

00:23:48.000 There's basically two or three tech companies.

00:23:51.000 There's only two real conversational tech companies, and that's Facebook and Twitter and Instagram.

00:23:51.000 Exactly.

00:23:55.000 But Facebook and Instagram are the same company.

00:23:56.000 Yeah, and they're all different.

00:23:57.000 YouTube is not a conversational.

00:23:59.000 It's a much more front-facing.

00:24:00.000 Exactly.

00:24:01.000 Yeah.

00:24:02.000 So, I mean, exactly.

00:24:04.000 That's a good example to use for practical use.

00:24:07.000 But again, like we said, there's a smaller amount of tech companies, and it just impacts everyone in a different way.

00:24:13.000 So let's talk about this philosophically.

00:24:16.000 There's a lot of people that are financed by these tech companies, by the way.

00:24:19.000 A lot of these people talk about this stuff.

00:24:21.000 And I am a free market guy.

00:24:22.000 I love the beauty of the market.

00:24:25.000 However, I'm a patriot before I'm a capitalist.

00:24:28.000 Very important to prioritize that.

00:24:30.000 I love my country before I love Milton Friedman.

00:24:34.000 I love Milton Friedman.

00:24:35.000 I'm not saying I don't dislike him.

00:24:36.000 I know that. 1.00

00:24:37.000 So explain this to me, ALX.

00:24:40.000 There are conservatives that say we should do nothing.

00:24:42.000 There was an individual on television the other day who said, it's a bad idea to go after the tech companies.

00:24:47.000 Now, whether he's getting money or not from the tech companies, we actually found out there was an article that showed how many of these people receive money from the tech companies.

00:24:53.000 And any conservative group that gets money from these tech companies, I'm very suspicious.

00:24:58.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:24:59.000 Right?

00:25:00.000 I mean, in my book, it's like you're getting money from a power that wants to reconfigure America.

00:25:05.000 So what do you think the policy approach should be here?

00:25:09.000 So for anyone that says that we should do nothing and say that they're a private company, I'd like to ask them what they would think about a company that falsely advertises their services.

00:25:21.000 Because if Twitter is advertising themselves as a public platform where they and it says this in their terms of service that they love to cite, that they do not take any content into account when they terms like bias and saying political leanings.

00:25:39.000 And actually, Jack Dorsey, I believe, testified under oath that they don't take any different actions against people of political leanings.

00:25:47.000 So I'd love to talk to people about what they think about false advertising.

00:25:54.000 That's a very interesting point.

00:25:55.000 Go deeper there.

00:25:56.000 Yeah.

00:25:57.000 So say you wanted to purchase a product.

00:26:00.000 You saw an infomercial on TV and they detailed what this product gave you.

00:26:05.000 And then you got the product and it was completely different from what they detailed on TV.

00:26:10.000 Deceptive trade practices.

00:26:11.000 Exactly.

00:26:12.000 Exactly.

00:26:12.000 Would you complain or would you say, well, it's a private company.

00:26:16.000 I just gave them my money and my time and whatever.

00:26:19.000 And that's okay.

00:26:21.000 I got gypped.

00:26:22.000 Does that sound like what you guys are advocating for?

00:26:25.000 Or I don't understand why it's okay in this instance, but it wouldn't be okay in that instance.

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00:27:44.000 Well, and so what's interesting is that there is a broad agreement outside of the absolute free market fundamentalists who say, oh, yeah, deceptive trade practices will sort themselves out through regulation.

00:27:56.000 And look, I do believe regulation is a wonderful comp I think competition is a great regulation.

00:28:00.000 Let me put it that way.

00:28:01.000 I misphrased it at the beginning.

00:28:02.000 Competition is generally a really good regulation that when you have people competing against each other, you're going to have better products.

00:28:08.000 I think that's generally true.

00:28:10.000 I don't think that's law, though.

00:28:12.000 I don't think that's a, I think that's a very important thing.

00:28:14.000 I think that's a general rule.

00:28:17.000 However, when you have people, and this is where I differentiate with just absolute fundamentalist libertarians, so I think that there are companies that, and individuals, that do seek to deceive, and that there is a role to make sure they don't seek to deceive.

00:28:35.000 And people say, oh, buyer beware and all that.

00:28:39.000 Maybe you lose me at that a little bit, right?

00:28:42.000 But whether or not you lose it, those laws are on the books.

00:28:44.000 So whether or not you believe that or not, that exists.

00:28:48.000 So if we're concerned, like Elizabeth Warren and all these people, they set up the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau under Barack Obama to go after companies that were doing huge robocalls and going after seniors, right?

00:29:02.000 They were predatory in nature, payday lending or whatever it is, right?

00:29:06.000 And they said, this is the worst thing ever.

00:29:07.000 They're deceiving themselves.

00:29:09.000 They say they're going to be coming to fix your car, but they never show up, like whatever, right?

00:29:14.000 This is total scheming.

00:29:15.000 And you see, if you watch the DOJ website every other day, they're indicting people on this stuff all the time, right?

00:29:21.000 I mean, there's huge crackdowns on deceptive business practices.

00:29:26.000 So make the case.

00:29:27.000 How are these tech companies making deceptive business practices?

00:29:30.000 I believe so.

00:29:31.000 And even when people say that, oh, you agreed to their terms of service, well, actually, when I signed up for Twitter, it was about like 10 years ago.

00:29:38.000 So their terms of service have changed quite a bit.

00:29:41.000 And I know each time they update them, they send the email where they said, we changed our terms of service or whatever.

00:29:49.000 And this has been over the period of 10 years.

00:29:51.000 And they've made them more vague.

00:29:53.000 So yes, I do think they've been deceptive, especially when we have so many instances of this.

00:30:00.000 So I think they should, which President Trump is already doing, and I think it should go into legislation.

00:30:08.000 Looking more into their Section 230 immunity.

00:30:13.000 Because if they're not acting like the platform that they were given that immunity to be, and they call themselves a platform, but they behave like a publisher.

00:30:24.000 So how can they possibly be a platform if they're funding shows?

00:30:27.000 That's a good question.

00:30:28.000 Yeah.

00:30:29.000 It doesn't seem like they're funding shows.

00:30:33.000 Yeah.

00:30:34.000 There are Facebook-funded watch pages.

00:30:36.000 There are Google-funded programs.

00:30:38.000 There are Twitter Periscope-funded programs, too.

00:30:42.000 How is that not a platform?

00:30:44.000 Yeah, it seems to be.

00:30:45.000 They're Snapchat-funded content.

00:30:46.000 Yeah.

00:30:47.000 Seems to be a publisher to me.

00:30:49.000 Right.

00:30:50.000 So why are they not treated as such?

00:30:53.000 So how would any other publisher be treated in that instance?

00:30:57.000 They could be held accountable.

00:31:00.000 So the government gave them this sweetheart deal, basically, in good faith, because the internet is a big place.

00:31:11.000 The reason it was given is because they can't remove every piece of illegal content.

00:31:16.000 And that kind of gave them a crutch in the sense where now they're sending all of their people who look into this stuff and say we're going to take this content down.

00:31:26.000 Since they're not going to be held accountable for leaving up the illegal content, that means they're shifting their attention to the content that they want to remove.

00:31:35.000 And they'll maybe remove the illegal content when enough public pressure gets to it.

00:31:42.000 But to take the counter argument, Alex, is that people would say, you get rid of 230.

00:31:47.000 These tech companies will be basically inoperable.

00:31:50.000 That it'll lose its competitive advantage.

00:31:53.000 And we want innovation.

00:31:56.000 What's your response to that?

00:31:57.000 Like, you won't be able to post what you want to post.

00:32:01.000 Well, I mean, that's where the tech companies have to come to the table, is my opinion.

00:32:06.000 If they want to keep their Section 230 immunity, maybe they should come to the table and make the argument why they deserve to keep it.

00:32:14.000 And maybe they should come to the table and have a conversation about why they're not behaving like a platform.

00:32:21.000 So I think that's where we're at at this point.

00:32:26.000 Even Trump said that he would love to shut down Twitter.

00:32:30.000 I don't necessarily agree with that.

00:32:31.000 And I don't think that he would actually do it.

00:32:34.000 I think he was just saying.

00:32:36.000 I think he was setting up the rules of engagement.

00:32:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:39.000 I mean, it's a good negotiating position when you start with shutting it down.

00:32:42.000 And anything less might be a win.

00:32:43.000 Yeah, and exactly.

00:32:45.000 It's smart from a negotiating perspective.

00:32:46.000 And you say it might be inoperable.

00:32:49.000 Well, again, why is that my problem?

00:32:51.000 I'm banned from the platform.

00:32:52.000 Why do I care if Twitter can't operate under these new rules?

00:32:55.000 Again, that's their problem.

00:32:57.000 So do you think platform access is a civil right?

00:33:00.000 For sure, because I think in a digital age where everyone lives online, everyone gets their news online, everyone communicates online.

00:33:08.000 So why shouldn't everyone be able to have a voice online?

00:33:14.000 That's the way people communicate.

00:33:16.000 And saying, even like First Amendment rights, I know they're not the government, and then First Amendment protects against the government.

00:33:23.000 But for example, if you don't agree with a law that the government, well, I'll give this as an example, the coronavirus lockdowns.

00:33:32.000 So it was technically illegal to protest these because you had stay-at-home orders.

00:33:38.000 So if it's illegal to protest in person, I can protest online and say I disagree with these.

00:33:44.000 So I basically would have my right to assemble online or voice my opinion online and petition a government, a massive government.

00:33:53.000 I'd have that taken away.

00:33:54.000 How else are we going to petition our leaders in Washington, D.C. who are all on that platform?

00:33:59.000 What am I going to do?

00:34:01.000 Fly to Washington, D.C. when I'm supposed to be a stay-at-home order and hold the sign in front of the Capitol building at this point.

00:34:08.000 Yeah, so the First Amendment guarantees the protection of your right to petition your government to be able to, without any rights or redresses, to be able to go and gain support for your own purposes.

00:34:24.000 Do you think that it is a suppression of First Amendment rights if you're not able to do that where the conversation is happening?

00:34:31.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:34:33.000 Like I said, we live in a digital age.

00:34:35.000 So that's what you said.

00:34:36.000 The conversation is happening online.

00:34:38.000 There are protests in the streets still, but these have turned into riots in recent times.

00:34:46.000 But I think it's more effective online.

00:34:49.000 Like you see a trending hashtag or whatever.

00:34:51.000 That's the equivalent of a protest, in my opinion.

00:34:54.000 So if a law passes or whatever and a bunch of people online are tweeting about it, that's where the conversation is happening.

00:35:02.000 Maybe you don't have the time or you don't have the energy to set up a massive protest.

00:35:10.000 So if something happens, you can immediately tweet about it, voice your opinion.

00:35:14.000 So can everyone else.

00:35:15.000 And then you get a direct result when it makes the news.

00:35:19.000 That's much different and much more efficient than maybe planning a protest in Washington, D.C. in a week.

00:35:27.000 And maybe it will get covered on local stations or something.

00:35:31.000 So you've been personally impacted by Twitter.

00:35:34.000 Let's talk about Google for a second.

00:35:36.000 Do you think Google or the federal government are more powerful?

00:35:39.000 Oh, Google for sure.

00:35:40.000 Do you think Google's more powerful than the federal government?

00:35:43.000 Why?

00:35:43.000 Yeah.

00:35:45.000 Well, I'm not sure the exact percentage, but I'm pretty sure it was over 90% of all ads across the internet are by Google.

00:35:54.000 93% of all search results.

00:35:56.000 Oh, yeah, that too.

00:35:57.000 So advertisements control what everyone sees, and search results control what everyone basically thinks.

00:36:06.000 Say, if you want to gain an opinion on a certain subject, what do you do?

00:36:09.000 You Google it.

00:36:10.000 So Google is able to shape public opinion, basically.

00:36:16.000 I remember there's actually a good example of this that was going on during the election.

00:36:22.000 So during the 2016 election, Google actually changed the definition of fascist.

00:36:28.000 So if you Googled fascist, it would say like something to do with right-wing politics.

00:36:36.000 And if you went to the Merriam-Webster definition, it had no mention of right-wing.

00:36:41.000 Fascist literally means bundle of sticks.

00:36:42.000 Yeah.

00:36:44.000 If you go back to the Italian definition, it's just the truth.

00:36:44.000 Yes.

00:36:47.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:36:48.000 So that's one way where people were basically saying, oh, Donald Trump is a fascist.

00:36:54.000 Here's my Google definition stating it's a right-wing authoritarian government style. 0.95

00:36:59.000 So Donald Trump is a fascist because it's right-wing.

00:37:01.000 So there's one way in which they're able to shape mass public opinion. 0.93

00:37:06.000 With no basis in truth.

00:37:07.000 Exactly. 0.96

00:37:09.000 Google also, I mean, Google could topple a government if they want to.

00:37:13.000 I mean, Google could say, believe this, don't believe that.

00:37:16.000 And I think we're actually experiencing something that's quasi-hypnotic.

00:37:21.000 Because when I go to YouTube, when I open up my Gmail or whatever, and yes, I still do use Gmail too much, not because it's free, because if you think it's free, you're actually the product, not the consumer.

00:37:32.000 Yes.

00:37:33.000 It's just actually a very easy-to-use platform, to be honest.

00:37:37.000 I should probably gravitate away from that.

00:37:40.000 When I go to YouTube and all these, everywhere it says, Black Lives Matter, learn about systemic racism.

00:37:46.000 I can't avoid it right now.

00:37:48.000 And the government doesn't have that power.

00:37:51.000 The government is just kind of, I mean, the government has the power to lock you up.

00:37:55.000 I'll give you that.

00:37:57.000 The power the government has is to ruin you financially, ruin you criminally, and all that.

00:38:02.000 But I will say this: if you are accused of the worst possible thing in the world, still in our system, you do get a jury of your peers in representation.

00:38:11.000 It's true.

00:38:12.000 Do you get representation against the tech companies?

00:38:14.000 No, you don't.

00:38:16.000 You don't have to process, right?

00:38:17.000 Exactly.

00:38:18.000 And they think it's a private company, and they'll use that argument.

00:38:22.000 But what does our country say about monopolies?

00:38:25.000 And that's the real question.

00:38:26.000 Well, and so the monopoly laws were not written for monopolies like this, though.

00:38:31.000 Yeah.

00:38:32.000 The monopoly laws were written for early 20th century vertical monopolizations that were gouging prices of consumers.

00:38:39.000 They were not written for massive tech companies to say, oh, our product's free and always will be.

00:38:44.000 Hold on a second.

00:38:45.000 It's the most expensive product I've ever used.

00:38:48.000 It's just counting my free, you know, you're in the monopolization of cultural change.

00:38:53.000 And it's not good social revolution.

00:38:55.000 Oh, yeah.

00:38:57.000 You know, I just think Google is, it's come to a point.

00:39:02.000 The only explanation I can possibly tie it to maybe a government is, say, where China has state-run propaganda.

00:39:11.000 So like you said, oh, I go to YouTube and Black Lives Matter ads pop up.

00:39:14.000 No, it's not just an ad, it's half the screen. 0.58

00:39:17.000 So that, to me, seems like it's what I would call state-approved stuff comparing Google to a government.

00:39:17.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:25.000 Yeah, that's very interesting.

00:39:27.000 And even further, I remember during the coronavirus when it first started happening, how the WHO was not too reliable.

00:39:37.000 So I do remember YouTube when they updated their terms of service saying that they're going to start taking down any videos that aren't in agreement with the WHO.

00:39:47.000 World Health Organization.

00:39:48.000 Yes.

00:39:49.000 Which is the Wuhan Health Organization.

00:39:52.000 Yeah, precisely, because I mean, they've been back and forth.

00:39:56.000 So they came out very early on and they said that the coronavirus was not contagious and that there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission, according to China.

00:40:06.000 Obviously a lie.

00:40:07.000 Yes.

00:40:08.000 So at that time, if I published a video on YouTube and say even one of the Chinese doctors who turned out to be whistleblowers and were disappeared by the Chinese government.

00:40:20.000 So if I, I, an American, had some sort of intelligence stating that it was contagious and I put that on YouTube, would YouTube take that down if they had that rule in place at the time?

00:40:34.000 They took down the video of the two doctors from Bakersfield, the Reverend, California, that were just telling the truth.

00:40:40.000 Nine million views like that, and they just take it down.

00:40:40.000 Yep.

00:40:42.000 Yep.

00:40:43.000 Yet I have found materially false information on YouTube about me, about other things that they will not take down.

00:40:50.000 Harassment, too, that violate their terms of service.

00:40:53.000 So Alex, this is one of the biggest issues for our generation.

00:40:58.000 Would you say?

00:40:59.000 Oh, yes, for sure.

00:41:00.000 And especially going forward, because you have to think all of these tech CEOs are operating in a world where they didn't grow up online.

00:41:08.000 So Jack Dorsey, I could ask Jack Dorsey what he did when he was in college or high school.

00:41:14.000 He probably did some stuff he regrets.

00:41:16.000 Now, if I told him that he did something wrong when he was 20 or what other people said he was wrong, and then I asked him, okay, would you love to be permanently, your opportunities in the future permanently taken away because of that?

00:41:32.000 So you have to think in this sense, everyone's growing up online.

00:41:38.000 So like I said, I signed up for Twitter like 10 years ago.

00:41:41.000 I've spent like 10 years of my life on that platform, whereas Jack Dorsey just kind of created it.

00:41:46.000 And he, I think, joined when he was, what, 30-something, whenever he started the company.

00:41:52.000 So they're not in the right mindset to be taking action against people, a whole generation that's growing up online.

00:42:00.000 They're interacting with their peers online.

00:42:02.000 I'm afraid, though.

00:42:03.000 Alex, in the couple minutes we have remaining, I'm afraid that the digital manipulation is so severe right now.

00:42:11.000 And we're doing an amazing job at Turning Point to try to educate people and enlighten them.

00:42:16.000 But when we're dealing with Snapchat, Instagram, and YouTube, half of the YouTube homepage, which, by the way, they're losing tens of millions of dollars in revenue from this because those are, unless someone's financing it, those are insanely expensive.

00:42:30.000 That's your prime territory.

00:42:32.000 That's like if you own a billboard company.

00:42:34.000 That's right there.

00:42:36.000 In the huge sector of the most busy highway in New York, you're like, oh, we're just going to put a black square there.

00:42:41.000 I mean, they must be losing money on it.

00:42:41.000 Right?

00:42:45.000 I guess that's the question then.

00:42:46.000 But I hope adults start taking this seriously because our lawmakers are not fighting on this.

00:42:53.000 They're not.

00:42:54.000 There's a few that are.

00:42:55.000 Matt Gates, Josh Hawley, they really get it.

00:42:57.000 Senator Cotton, who was actually just affected.

00:42:59.000 He's been terrific.

00:43:00.000 Cotton has just been taking real tough fights.

00:43:02.000 But most Republicans, just so people listening to this podcast understand, most Republicans are financed by the tech companies.

00:43:09.000 They take money from Facebook, they take money from Google, or they take money from lobbyists who represent them.

00:43:13.000 So if you think just because you're supporting Republicans that you're going to get reform here, you're wrong.

00:43:18.000 In fact, a lot of the Republicans hide behind the tech company-financed think tanks and like, oh, well, we can't do anything because we're free market people.

00:43:28.000 Got it.

00:43:29.000 Let me make the argument for you.

00:43:31.000 George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, the heroes of our country that were sitting around a table, what concerned them most?

00:43:40.000 I would say the threat of tyranny.

00:43:42.000 Bingo.

00:43:43.000 It wasn't the threat of government.

00:43:45.000 Now, mind you, it was the threat of government because the answer to threat of tyranny was government at the time.

00:43:51.000 Yeah.

00:43:52.000 So, however, it wasn't necessarily anti-government sentiment.

00:43:56.000 It was just that we have studied human history and the most egregious form of tyranny and power was government.

00:44:05.000 Now, I know that sounds obviously, to us, self-evident, but fast forward 250 years, more or less, less than that.

00:44:12.000 Yeah, it's about right, 240, 250 years.

00:44:14.000 Here we are now.

00:44:16.000 Founding fathers sitting around a table are worried about tyranny.

00:44:19.000 Wouldn't you think they'd be worried about tyranny in all forms?

00:44:21.000 Oh, for sure.

00:44:22.000 It's not like, oh, we're really worried about that government tyranny, but not the other government tyranny, not the other type of tyranny.

00:44:27.000 That might be corporate tyranny.

00:44:29.000 Now, mind you, Republicans are inactive on this issue because they say we can't do anything because of the market.

00:44:34.000 But then I ask yourself the question, if something gets more powerful than our government, is that not a reason to act?

00:44:41.000 Now, I'm not saying you have to eliminate that power, but there has to be some form of recalibration and rebalancing, right?

00:44:47.000 Oh, for sure.

00:44:48.000 Yeah, and like I said earlier, maybe legislation in the future would not necessarily be the answer if it dismantled them completely to the point where they couldn't operate, and which, again, is why they have to keep their end of the bargain.

00:45:07.000 If they want to continue to operate in this country, they need to keep their end of the bargain and allow themselves to keep platforms.

00:45:14.000 And just imagine, imagine for a second one of these tech companies was owned, operated, and staffed by conservatives.

00:45:22.000 And we were just kicking leftists off the platform, which we wouldn't do because we're decent people.

00:45:27.000 Do you think that would be tolerated for a second by the media?

00:45:30.000 For sure, no.

00:45:32.000 I would give an example.

00:45:34.000 If someone who supported Black Lives Matter or any other organization had any sort of ban or censorship, there would be a trending hashtag immediately and it would be reversed.

00:45:49.000 And the tech company would actually probably come up with an apology and they'd probably verify them instantly, actually.

00:45:57.000 Well, so that's what I think it comes down to is that you're a victim of tyranny.

00:46:01.000 ALX, Alex.

00:46:02.000 And don't play a victim.

00:46:03.000 We don't do that stuff.

00:46:04.000 But you are.

00:46:05.000 But you're not going to feel sorry for me.

00:46:07.000 That's not what we're here.

00:46:08.000 Yeah.

00:46:08.000 Right?

00:46:09.000 For sure.

00:46:09.000 We don't do that.

00:46:10.000 I think it's unbelievably destructive.

00:46:12.000 The whole like, oh, I'm awful.

00:46:14.000 Okay, so yeah, something bad happened to you.

00:46:15.000 Let's move on.

00:46:16.000 Right?

00:46:16.000 No, we're still fighting for you and all that, but we don't do the whole oppression Olympics thing.

00:46:20.000 Leave that to the left.

00:46:21.000 However, you are a legitimate victim in this sense.

00:46:23.000 And by a completely autocratic, tyrannical force.

00:46:30.000 The fundamentalists in the Republican Party don't actually believe their free market fundamentalism.

00:46:34.000 They just use that as an excuse because they get money.

00:46:37.000 They're financed by big tech companies.

00:46:39.000 And I just ask the question for everyone listening to this.

00:46:44.000 First of all, if you think it's not coming for you, you're wrong.

00:46:46.000 I want everyone listening to this to email me, freedom at charlieclirk.com, your instances of when you get biased and censored and you guys get deplatformed.

00:46:54.000 The emails we've got are unbelievable, by the way.

00:46:55.000 They're incredible.

00:46:56.000 I read every single one.

00:46:58.000 I wish I could respond to more of them.

00:46:59.000 They're absolutely unbelievable.

00:47:00.000 I want to hear the stories.

00:47:01.000 And people say, I can't like your posts.

00:47:03.000 I can't follow it.

00:47:04.000 I subscribe to your podcast.

00:47:05.000 I have to resubscribe all the time.

00:47:07.000 I hear these things.

00:47:07.000 It's like incredible.

00:47:09.000 So it's really about the idea of freedom versus tyranny, isn't it?

00:47:14.000 Because you right now, Alex, you are not free because you can't communicate on this specific platform, private or public.

00:47:24.000 Is that correct?

00:47:24.000 Yep, that's correct.

00:47:26.000 And so your freedom has been restricted.

00:47:30.000 Isn't that government's job to protect your freedom?

00:47:32.000 I would say so, yeah.

00:47:34.000 And we live in a free country, so if I can't be free, then what is my government really doing?

00:47:39.000 And they hide behind a very nuanced legal protection where they say, well, it's the same as if you say no shirts, no shoes, no service.

00:47:46.000 And they say, well, because they violated the terms of service.

00:47:48.000 First of all, they're always changing.

00:47:49.000 They're unequally applied.

00:47:51.000 Whereas no shirts, no shoes, no service, you can see very clearly.

00:47:54.000 And you get a warning, like, please, sir, go put a shirt on or else we're going to have to escort you out.

00:47:54.000 Exactly.

00:47:58.000 Whereas this is just this amorphous thing, and you're shopping in the 7-Eleven, and they handcuff you and kick you out, and you're never allowed back in.

00:48:05.000 Exactly.

00:48:05.000 Yep.

00:48:06.000 Right?

00:48:07.000 And you're like, I was wearing the shirts and the shoes, man.

00:48:09.000 We don't want to hear it.

00:48:11.000 But that's basically the legal protection that they're hiding behind.

00:48:13.000 It's a very, it's a simple way to encapsulate it.

00:48:17.000 However, when someone gets kicked off these platforms, the ideas get kicked off.

00:48:21.000 It becomes less likely that we have a diverse conversation, ideologically diverse conversation, which is what the left wants.

00:48:28.000 And this should horrify everyone listening to this.

00:48:31.000 This is how absolute totalitarianism begins because it's already happening.

00:48:35.000 And whether that totalitarianism is from Google Inc. or federal government Inc., it really is kind of irrelevant.

00:48:42.000 I mean, it's actually terrifying.

00:48:46.000 And just the sense that our tech is in a young stage, I'd say.

00:48:52.000 Social media has only been around for, what, 10, 15 years.

00:48:55.000 Just think of 10 years in the future, how much more powerful they'll get.

00:49:00.000 Oh, they're not slowing down.

00:49:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:49:02.000 And their profits are record high.

00:49:04.000 And they're only hiring more diabolical, committed Marxists.

00:49:08.000 And the federal government, if there was an actual power struggle between the federal government and these tech companies, the federal government would lose.

00:49:17.000 The only thing the federal government has is a standing army.

00:49:20.000 But Google and Twitter and Facebook could completely mass propagandize people to believe something that is so untrue.

00:49:27.000 Federal government doesn't have that power.

00:49:28.000 It just doesn't.

00:49:29.000 Exactly.

00:49:30.000 In closing ALX, how could people support you?

00:49:34.000 Right now I'm on a new platform called Parlor.

00:49:37.000 I use it too.

00:49:38.000 Yes, it's very good.

00:49:40.000 It's at ALX on Parlor.

00:49:42.000 And I'm also on Instagram at ALXThe Lord.

00:49:47.000 Until you got kicked off, right?

00:49:49.000 For now, yes.

00:49:50.000 I hope that's not the case.

00:49:52.000 Everyone can email us or questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:49:54.000 Go to charliekirk.com slash support if you guys want to become a monthly donor to help support the show.

00:50:00.000 Helps us get people like Alex.

00:50:02.000 How old are you, Alex?

00:50:03.000 I'm 24.

00:50:04.000 24 years old.

00:50:05.000 And you've been digitally annihilated.

00:50:08.000 People need to know that you can literally have an identity destroyed, assassinated.

00:50:13.000 And very little you can do about it, but you're going to be strong.

00:50:17.000 You'll rise up.

00:50:18.000 You'll be okay.

00:50:19.000 Yes, I will.

00:50:20.000 Thanks for coming on the show, Alex.

00:50:21.000 Thank you for having me.

00:50:25.000 If you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com, tpusa.com.

00:50:30.000 Get engaged, get involved, chip in some money if you can.

00:50:32.000 Spend more money on cultural engagement than you spend on coffee every single year.

00:50:37.000 That is my challenge for you.

00:50:38.000 Pray on that, think on that, meditate on that.

00:50:40.000 Type in Charlie Kirk Show right now to your podcast provider.

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00:50:56.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:50:58.000 Thank you guys so much.

00:50:59.000 God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 26, 2020

Banned from Twitter and the Fight to Free @ALX

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