The Charlie Kirk Show - September 29, 2023


Battle Lines in Ukraine and the Senate with Sen. Rand Paul and Kash Patel


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Rand Paul and Kash Patel join Charlie Kirk on the Charlie Kirk Show to discuss the $250,000 wire transfer to Joe Biden's Delaware home from a Chinese bank, and why the DOJ will never indict Joe Biden for bribery and fraud.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk show.
00:00:01.000 Senator Rand Paul and Kash Patel.
00:00:04.000 We talk about all sorts of different things, most specifically Ukraine with Senator Rand Paul and the funding and the cronyism around that.
00:00:10.000 And then also with Kash Patel, we focus on the fourth branch of government.
00:00:16.000 Why won't Republicans do anything?
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00:01:27.000 Joining us now is Kash Patel.
00:01:29.000 Cash, your book is finally out.
00:01:30.000 Is that right?
00:01:31.000 It's here.
00:01:32.000 Government gangsters hit the top 10 thanks to Donald Trump's book launched.
00:01:35.000 It's awesome.
00:01:36.000 Well, very good.
00:01:37.000 It's been a long time coming.
00:01:38.000 So there's an impeachment inquiry right now happening.
00:01:38.000 All right.
00:01:42.000 This is taking too long.
00:01:43.000 And we've got people that are testifying that are saying we don't know if we have the goods.
00:01:47.000 This is exhausting.
00:01:48.000 Cash, what's going on here?
00:01:50.000 That's exactly what I've been saying.
00:01:52.000 I said, we don't have the bandwidth as a nation to wait for Congress to cobble together headlines in the media.
00:01:58.000 We need the documents and receipts.
00:01:59.000 You guys supposedly subpoenaed them a year ago or nine months ago, and we still don't have them.
00:02:04.000 And you have three people testifying at the impeachment inquiry today, and it's not a knock on them.
00:02:11.000 I have no idea who the other two government people are.
00:02:11.000 I've heard of one of them.
00:02:14.000 Why aren't you starting with Hunter Biden and Devin Archer and the whistleblowers?
00:02:18.000 And why aren't you putting out this document?
00:02:20.000 Why am I just learning today that you had an email where Hunter Biden directly commits his father to the bribery and fraud scandal?
00:02:28.000 You've been playing into the hands of the fake news when they say, what evidence?
00:02:31.000 If you've had it, where is it?
00:02:33.000 Yeah.
00:02:34.000 So what the $250,000 wire transfer, walk us through this, Cash, and the details associated with this, because I mean, if this is not like smoking gun evidence, I really don't know what is.
00:02:46.000 Yeah, and I love how the Democrats make up new laws.
00:02:49.000 I mean, they do it all the time in their two-tier system of justice when they say what evidence.
00:02:53.000 And they're like, well, Joe Biden didn't get any monetary benefit.
00:02:56.000 Let's just say they're right about that.
00:02:58.000 The way bribery works is you don't have to be the recipient of the funds.
00:03:02.000 As a former federal prosecutor, I kind of know this.
00:03:04.000 As long as you participate in the scheme to defraud and leverage someone with a bribery scandal and you are benefited or your family or your friends or your business is benefited, you are guilty of bribery.
00:03:17.000 This $250,000 mark alone is guilt for Joe Biden himself of bribery, let alone Hunter and his brother and their daughters and their sisters and everyone else in on the scheme.
00:03:29.000 But this DOJ is never going to prosecute him.
00:03:32.000 They've probably already leaked this information, which is why the Washington Post is now calling for Joe Biden to go quietly into the sunset so they can parachute in Gavin Newsome.
00:03:41.000 Let's play Cut 104.
00:03:42.000 Oversight Chair James Comer has just released a bombshell piece of evidence that could be the nail in the coffin for Biden's career.
00:03:50.000 A $250,000 wire transfer from China directly to Joe Biden's home address in Delaware while he was running for president.
00:04:00.000 In August 2019, just months after Joe Biden announced his candidacy, the Chinese sent a quarter of a million dollars electronically to Joe Biden's Wilmington, Delaware address.
00:04:11.000 Hunter Biden received the money in his checking account, and his checking account listed his father's primary residence.
00:04:18.000 Primary residence there.
00:04:19.000 I mean, not to mention all the text messages.
00:04:21.000 I want half of your salary, 10% for the big guy.
00:04:24.000 I mean, why are Republicans wasting time at this impeachment inquiry?
00:04:27.000 Why don't we just go ahead with this?
00:04:29.000 Cash, what am I missing here?
00:04:31.000 You're not missing anything, but the Republicans are politicizing the greatest amount of evidence we've ever seen showing Joe Biden's corruption, bribery, and fraud scandal.
00:04:41.000 And why they're doing it is I think they're wed to the media.
00:04:43.000 They're wed to this idea of somehow they're going to defeat the mainstream media and get glorified in conservative media circles for breaking through.
00:04:50.000 But like you just laid out, this evidence is never going to be is rock solid when it comes to fraud cases, but it's never going to be acted on by Chris Ray and Merrick Garland, who've created the two-tier system of justice.
00:05:03.000 And what Congress has is the inherent contempt of Congress powers.
00:05:06.000 It was created for this scenario.
00:05:08.000 When these individuals violate congressional subpoenas and they are the ones who are supposed to be policing our country, you go police them.
00:05:16.000 But of course, Kevin McCarthy and company is not going to use the inherent powers of Congress to do anything.
00:05:21.000 They're not going to refer it to a DOJ for anything.
00:05:24.000 And I don't know, next week we'll be hearing from 17 other witnesses that we've never heard of. 0.98
00:05:28.000 And maybe we'll get another email about a half a million dollar payment, which we should have gotten eight months ago if they just enforced the damn subpoenas. 0.93
00:05:35.000 Yeah, why haven't they enforced the subpoenas? 0.97
00:05:37.000 What is that all about?
00:05:39.000 I cannot begin to tell you a reason that's plausible for that, other than the Republican will and leadership has told them they can't do that.
00:05:48.000 Have we enforced any subpoenas?
00:05:51.000 No, zero.
00:05:52.000 We've issued, I think, 10.
00:05:54.000 You know, when we issued 17 during RussiaGate, when Devin and I were running RussiaGate, we fenced money and overnight on 17 subpoenas, we got 2,000 pages of documentation.
00:06:05.000 That means we withheld a little pocket of money.
00:06:06.000 We didn't defund the whole organization.
00:06:08.000 Why doesn't this government and Congress take Chris Ray's government-funded G5 private jet away from him?
00:06:14.000 That's about 50 to 100 grand a pop.
00:06:17.000 Why don't we do that?
00:06:18.000 I bet you you'd get documents tomorrow.
00:06:19.000 They're allowing them to redact.
00:06:21.000 They've ceded their entire constitutional oversight to Chris Ray and Merrick Garland, the number one in two government gangsters, as I write about in my book.
00:06:21.000 They've seceded.
00:06:29.000 And they're not using their levels of Congress to countermand being run over by a truck.
00:06:35.000 And I don't see it changing.
00:06:36.000 So just to reiterate, the Republican Congress has not enforced a single subpoena.
00:06:36.000 Yeah.
00:06:40.000 So people get subpoenas, they could just ignore them effectively.
00:06:44.000 It's the opposite of what happened with the January 6th committee.
00:06:44.000 Right.
00:06:47.000 Correct.
00:06:48.000 Where they were unbelievably aggressive and contempt of Congress and nonstop phone calls.
00:06:48.000 Yeah.
00:06:54.000 So why do the Democrats fight and Republicans surrender?
00:06:57.000 What's that all about?
00:06:59.000 It seems to be an unfortunate common track record.
00:07:02.000 They keep thinking, oh, we'll do it the right way in the good way.
00:07:05.000 And the funny thing is we always do it the right way in the good way, but we never take advantage of the full suite of tools.
00:07:10.000 The Democrats do it unlawful, unethically.
00:07:12.000 Like about January 6th, I was the first guy subpoenaed on that committee.
00:07:15.000 Cost me a quarter million dollars.
00:07:17.000 But they didn't waste time with phone calls and letters and mother may eyes.
00:07:20.000 They just went after it.
00:07:22.000 And it's lawful to do it if you have a basis in doing so.
00:07:26.000 And they do with Chris Ray and Merrick Garland.
00:07:28.000 And their focus is Biden, Biden, Biden, Biden.
00:07:31.000 All roads lead to Joe Biden.
00:07:32.000 But that's what the Democrats want us to do.
00:07:34.000 They want us to politically nuke Biden because even they know he can't be their candidate going up against Donald Trump.
00:07:40.000 And we're taking the bait so far.
00:07:42.000 So, but does it have anything to do with that we don't control both the White House and the House of Representatives, that we don't have unified government?
00:07:48.000 It makes it harder to enforce subpoenas, or is that just not a very good argument?
00:07:53.000 To me, it's not.
00:07:55.000 That defines the coordinate, co-equal role of the three branches of government.
00:08:00.000 One does not rely on the other to enforce its constitutional mandate.
00:08:04.000 Congress is constitutional oversight.
00:08:06.000 We've heard it over and over again: constitutional oversight.
00:08:09.000 The agencies and departments report to Congress, not the other way around, unless and until you have an executive branch that runs roughshod over them like this one is doing.
00:08:18.000 And I can't believe the amount of people on the Republican conservative side that are saying, oh, we'll let the FBI and DOJ tell us what we want and inform us how they want to be informed.
00:08:29.000 And we won't get that information to the American people.
00:08:31.000 That's the critical failure.
00:08:33.000 Not educating Americans so that another election is rigged yet again by the FBI and DOJ.
00:08:38.000 Yeah, and so just so I'm clear, have Republicans cut any of Christopher Wray's budget since they've taken Congress?
00:08:45.000 Not one cent, not one dime, not anything from DOJ and their fleet of cars and their boondoggles.
00:08:52.000 And Chris Ray wants, just so we're clear, Chris Ray has put in a budgeting proposal to build a new FBI headquarters in Maryland that's twice the size of the Pentagon.
00:09:01.000 And a bunch of Republicans are okay with that.
00:09:04.000 Yeah, they're enthusiastic.
00:09:05.000 So just, yeah, Republicans haven't cut a penny out of Merrick Garland or Chris Frey.
00:09:11.000 So 9:30 is looming, and we're hearing about all these funding fights.
00:09:19.000 Are you hearing, do you have any hope that Republicans will actually be able to defund any of these agencies?
00:09:24.000 They could.
00:09:26.000 I guess I have hope, but that's not really a, you know, how we say in DOD.
00:09:30.000 That's not really a line of effort you can execute on.
00:09:34.000 We have the power of the first in the House of Representatives.
00:09:38.000 That's the most important thing to me right now is the budgeting cycle.
00:09:41.000 And we're about to, you know, probably cave on the CR and give out away more money to Ukraine.
00:09:46.000 And it's funny how we can print $120 billion to Ukraine, but we can't take away $5 million from a law enforcement agency in the FBI and DOJ that are breaking the law on a daily basis.
00:09:56.000 I don't understand that logic.
00:09:58.000 Yeah, it makes you wonder how much blackmail the intel agencies have on Senate Republicans.
00:10:02.000 Makes you blackmail is the way that bad actors are able to control major institutions.
00:10:12.000 It's yeah, blackmail and gold bars.
00:10:15.000 Oh, and gold bars.
00:10:16.000 Yes, of course, obviously.
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00:11:23.000 Cash, walk us through this New York ruling.
00:11:26.000 They could potentially confiscate Trump Tower and take all of Trump's assets.
00:11:31.000 This is not a covered enough story.
00:11:32.000 They could just take all the wealth from Donald Trump.
00:11:35.000 It's unbelievable.
00:11:36.000 Yeah, it's another example of lawfare now at the state civil level.
00:11:40.000 They've done it at the federal, criminal, state, criminal, and now a judge who has unilaterally decided without a jury that, one, Donald Trump's establishment in Mar-a-Lago is worth a few pennies rather than what its actual value is, is using lawfare to nik Donald Trump.
00:11:57.000 And it's not surprising, but essentially he could go in there and just take away his licenses and his properties and his ability to do business.
00:12:04.000 Now, this is going to get appealed.
00:12:06.000 Of course, it's going to get appealed.
00:12:08.000 But this shows you the level they're willing to go to and the radical left and the extremes that they have and how far away we Republicans are utilizing our law authority.
00:12:19.000 No, we don't do it at all.
00:12:20.000 So, Cash, why don't we have the Arkansas Attorney General sue for fraud for the Clinton Foundation?
00:12:25.000 Why haven't we done that?
00:12:27.000 Arthur Biden, his mistress was there at some point.
00:12:30.000 You know, you and I have led the effort about having state attorney generals in Arkansas or anywhere, Missouri, elsewhere, come in and battle the Biden administration and battle for Republicans.
00:12:40.000 And nobody wants to do it.
00:12:42.000 And not one single state attorney general.
00:12:44.000 And we've got, I think, 26 of them at my last count, Charlie, that could bring crimes, that could bring civil actions, that could bring so much criminality to the forefront.
00:12:54.000 They don't want to do it.
00:12:55.000 And they have a lawful basis of doing it.
00:12:57.000 They're just like, eh, I don't want to do it.
00:12:58.000 D.C. will do it.
00:13:00.000 And I think they're all part of the con job and part of the rig job, in my opinion.
00:13:04.000 That certainly seems to be the case.
00:13:06.000 Very, very little fight and just a lot of complacency as the country's taken over.
00:13:11.000 Yeah, we have zero, to my understanding, DAs or Republicans that are actively investigating or suing Joe Biden.
00:13:19.000 Okay, I want to talk about the Hunter Biden investigation.
00:13:21.000 What is the latest here, Cash?
00:13:23.000 Well, we've talked about how he got that sweetheart deal.
00:13:27.000 But what people are overlooking is that to get that deal, and I know this having handled about a thousand gun cases as a public defender and prosecutor, you have to get the specific permission of the attorney general to get diversion in a gun case.
00:13:41.000 That obliterates the narrative that Merrick Garland said, I'm not having any say in this matter whatsoever.
00:13:47.000 We are letting career prosecutors execute this.
00:13:50.000 The reason I bring that up is because he's lied about the Biden administration's involvement in the prosecution of Donald Trump.
00:13:56.000 When Donald Trump was being prosecuted because Joe Biden waived executive privilege, of course, Merrick Garland talked to the White House and they were in on it together.
00:14:04.000 And what should happen when a plea deal explodes, implos, whatever word you want to use, like the Hunter Biden case, is you bring the full suite of charges.
00:14:13.000 That's what happens when you prosecute people and they don't accept a plea.
00:14:17.000 That's what happens in 100 of 100 cases.
00:14:20.000 But for some reason, we let the statute of limitations lapse because Merrick Garland has a two-tier system of justice.
00:14:26.000 And we also failed to bring FARA charges, bribery charges, fraud charges.
00:14:31.000 All of these things have been worked on for five years.
00:14:34.000 And they got buried by Bill Barr.
00:14:36.000 Bill Barr is the number one government gangster that could have brought these charges and sat on them and sat on justice and is out there running around in the lethargic manner, blaming Donald Trump for everything because the rhino entrenchment class will pay him to do so. 0.76
00:14:50.000 These people are all government gangsters.
00:14:52.000 It's not a Republican or Democrat thing.
00:14:53.000 That's a theme of my book.
00:14:55.000 And they're doing nothing.
00:14:56.000 And our Congress is doing not enough to expose that corruption.
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00:15:01.000 Great work, Cash.
00:15:02.000 Congratulations.
00:15:03.000 Thanks so much.
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00:15:46.000 Joining us now is Senator Rand Paul, who is doing a heroic and important job in the U.S. Senate, holding the line the best he can against sending more money to Ukraine.
00:15:57.000 Senator, thank you so much for joining the program.
00:15:59.000 Senator, tell us the latest in the U.S. Senate.
00:16:02.000 How much money have we sent to Ukraine, and what are you doing to try to stop the funding of this proxy war?
00:16:08.000 You know, a little over $113 billion.
00:16:12.000 We know where at least some of it went, but we haven't been able to get an inspector general.
00:16:16.000 The Democrats refuse, and many Republicans complicit refuse to hire an inspector general.
00:16:23.000 I've suggested that the inspector general that's been overseeing Afghan aid and military payments in Afghanistan for about a decade, he's got a team of 100 accountants and economists and lawyers.
00:16:34.000 They know what they're doing in a war zone.
00:16:37.000 They actually have a budget.
00:16:38.000 We could actually transfer them over to Ukraine.
00:16:40.000 And the Democrats and the pro-war Republicans all have rejected this.
00:16:45.000 They don't want us to look and see where the money is spent.
00:16:47.000 But even 60 Minutes revealed recently that about a third of the money is going to pay government salaries and government pensions.
00:16:55.000 Quite a bit of it's going in grants to small businesses to keep small businesses afloat.
00:17:00.000 But this is just a crazy notion.
00:17:02.000 Now this week, they're saying that they will close our government down if we don't give them more money for Ukraine.
00:17:08.000 And the Biden administration has said, you know what?
00:17:11.000 We consider the Ukraine government to be essential.
00:17:14.000 So those government workers in Ukraine will be paid, but U.S. government workers will not be paid during a shutdown.
00:17:20.000 That is just, I think, the height of gall and something we should all reject.
00:17:25.000 There's so much to unpack here, Senator, but let's really focus on the money.
00:17:29.000 And I just want to compliment you, Senator.
00:17:31.000 When we were doing all this nation rebuilding in Afghanistan, you were one of the few people in the U.S. Senate that asked the question, why do we have electric vehicle charging stations in Afghanistan?
00:17:40.000 Why are we building hundreds of millions of dollars for this hotel just to then torpedo it?
00:17:46.000 I mean, the amount of waste that happens with our foreign adventures, it blows the mind.
00:17:52.000 So $113 billion that we know of.
00:17:54.000 I just want to make sure that I understood you correctly.
00:17:57.000 We don't have an inspector general or an auditor understanding the details of where this money is going.
00:18:03.000 I mean, that's really shocking, to be honest.
00:18:07.000 It's appalling.
00:18:09.000 For the last over a year, I've been asking for an inspector general, and I've told them the one we should use already exists, already has a budget.
00:18:17.000 I didn't even propose any more money.
00:18:18.000 I just said take the money he's using for Afghanistan and change his mission to Ukraine.
00:18:24.000 And they reject it.
00:18:27.000 Really, it's both parties, though.
00:18:28.000 It's the pro-war Republicans and all of the Democrats reject it.
00:18:32.000 So some of the Democrats put forward, well, let's let Biden pick an inspector general.
00:18:36.000 And the problem with that is they'd have to go through background checks.
00:18:40.000 It might take him four months to find the right person, four months for background checks.
00:18:44.000 It could be a year from now.
00:18:45.000 And, you know, who knows where the war will be at that point?
00:18:48.000 So it'll take a while.
00:18:49.000 But even that was rejected.
00:18:51.000 So mine was rejected by like 60 or 70 to 30.
00:18:55.000 And then that one was rejected.
00:18:56.000 It needed 60 votes, and I think it got 52 votes instead.
00:19:00.000 So, yeah, it's amazing.
00:19:02.000 These people are ready to shovel the money and even more money out the door.
00:19:05.000 They're ready to fund all these government workers in Ukraine, defend Ukraine's border, pay for 56,000 firemen and policemen in Ukraine, and yet they're not even willing to have an inspector general.
00:19:16.000 They ought to all be fired and sent home for this kind of oversight or lack of oversight.
00:19:21.000 So is there any evidence to suggest that American contractors or crony insiders are making off on this, Senator?
00:19:29.000 I mean, we know this in previous kind of foreign war gaming, right?
00:19:33.000 Afghanistan, Iraq.
00:19:36.000 Is there any evidence to suggest that the insiders in D.C. are making a lot of money off of this?
00:19:41.000 We know that there is still some semblance of media in Ukraine.
00:19:46.000 We know Zelenskyy's banned a lot of media, but we also know that the media over there has discovered people on the take, Ukrainians on the take, and that they've been forced to fire 24 people two weeks ago, a general a month ago.
00:19:59.000 I mean, there have been people fired, but only under duress and only under pressure from what remains of scrutiny over there.
00:20:07.000 But historically, Ukraine has been known as one of the most corrupt countries on the planet, maybe only exceeded by Russia.
00:20:13.000 So you have two corrupt regimes.
00:20:16.000 And you also have a country now where the president of that country has declared there won't be any elections.
00:20:22.000 So there will not be an election for presidency.
00:20:24.000 He said no elections.
00:20:26.000 And that to me, I mean, particularly for all these blowhards on CNN talking about democracy and make the world safe for democracy, they're not even a democracy.
00:20:35.000 They're a regime run by a guy who canceled the elections, who's canceled opposing parties and actually has invaded the churches as well as tried to restrict priests from their freedom of speech as well.
00:20:48.000 So this is a real mistake, but the bottom line is we don't have any money.
00:20:52.000 We have to borrow the money from China to send it to Ukraine.
00:20:55.000 It's beyond any sort of rational explanation.
00:20:59.000 Senator, I want to get into some of the geopolitics here.
00:21:01.000 You're one of the few people in the U.S. Senate that asks the question, why are we not trying to broker peace?
00:21:06.000 And also, why are we trying to get closer and closer towards a kinetic hot war against Russia?
00:21:13.000 Senator, why does Washington, D.C. hate Russia as much as they do?
00:21:18.000 I'm not saying we have to like Russia. 0.95
00:21:19.000 They're a corrupt country. 0.91
00:21:20.000 They're not a free society.
00:21:21.000 But why is it the Intel agencies, the fourth branch of government, and a majority of Senate Republicans and Senate Democrats, why are they so insistent on fighting Russia?
00:21:30.000 In the words of Senator Mitch McConnell, quote, it's the most important thing happening right now, equipping the Ukrainians against the Russians. 0.58
00:21:38.000 Can you help explain this to me, Senator?
00:21:40.000 Because not spending time in D.C., I don't understand how they can come to this conclusion.
00:21:45.000 I think they mistake the world for being a black and white world where there's good and evil, and we need to be always on the side of good.
00:21:52.000 And the world's a much more murky place.
00:21:54.000 There's both good and evil on the Russian side and good and evil on the Ukraine side. 0.98
00:21:58.000 There's good and evil in China, frankly. 1.00
00:22:01.000 And so when we have national policy or we do things, we should be aware of the unintended consequences of it.
00:22:08.000 You know, some of the brinksmanship that led up to World War II were putting an embargo on Japan, sanctions on Japan, things like this.
00:22:16.000 And none of that justifies Pearl Harbor, but some of it explains that we pushed and pushed and pushed.
00:22:22.000 Actually, I'm reading a good book right now called The Declassification Engine by Matthew Connolly.
00:22:28.000 And in it, he talks about how with the war, there were many of FDR's closest advisors who were giddy after the attack.
00:22:35.000 I mean, can you imagine how sad it is?
00:22:37.000 We lose thousands of people at Pearl Harbor, and they're jumping for joy because we finally got into the war.
00:22:43.000 And that's the sickness that still pervades some in Washington who would claim they aren't for it, but would actually welcome some sort of expansion of the war.
00:22:53.000 People like me fear that Russia will be boxed into a situation, become desperate, and bomb a Polish city.
00:23:00.000 And then all of a sudden, all the force of NATO is involved and NATO troops are in Ukraine, and this becomes a massive war.
00:23:08.000 And I don't know, even with your enemies, you need to continue to have conversations.
00:23:12.000 I'm for continuing to have arms negotiations with both the Chinese and the Russians.
00:23:16.000 I think they should never end.
00:23:18.000 They should be continuous.
00:23:20.000 But we have many people up here thinking, oh, we'll just sanction these people and they'll learn.
00:23:24.000 They think that they're like teenagers to be scolded.
00:23:27.000 And all of a sudden, they'll learn.
00:23:28.000 Instead, it's sort of the opposite.
00:23:30.000 They're like teenagers in the way that they resist being scolded and they do the opposite of what their parents tell them.
00:23:35.000 And they don't want to be parented by the United States.
00:23:38.000 And so I don't know.
00:23:39.000 There are more mature thinkers up here, but the vast majority, the bipartisan Senate leadership, are really of one mind.
00:23:47.000 And that is that there's no problem with this. 0.98
00:23:49.000 We're just buying bullets to shoot Russians. 1.00
00:23:52.000 But in the end, I think there's a great deal of danger this could escalate.
00:23:56.000 Well, the hope I have, Senator, is that the American people have quickly turned against funding this proxy war.
00:24:03.000 And even you're starting to see it in the U.S. House of Representatives grow and grow and grow.
00:24:07.000 Senator, in some of your private conversations or one-off kind of dialogues that you have, are you seeing a little bit of a weakening of the gusto amongst Senate Republicans to keep this money train going?
00:24:19.000 Are you starting to see people ask more questions?
00:24:22.000 You know, are you starting to see people say, you know, maybe this is not, I mean, publicly, you know, Senator McConnell and Senator Cornyn, they seem as enthusiastic as ever.
00:24:30.000 Are you starting to see some weakening, though, amongst some of the more persuadable members of the Senate in either political party?
00:24:38.000 Well, among those of the senators who are like weather vanes and they are testing the wind daily, they're starting to know the winds are against them.
00:24:46.000 The polling now shows 70% of Republicans think we shouldn't be sending further aid.
00:24:51.000 Some of it just simply for fiscally conservative reasons that I make, that we don't have the money and we're having to borrow it to send there.
00:24:57.000 But I think it is shifting.
00:24:59.000 It's still a minority, though.
00:25:00.000 We're a small minority.
00:25:01.000 Often it was Mike Lee and I only, but now it's grown to maybe five or ten of us.
00:25:07.000 Josh Hawley and JD Vance have been outspoken on this.
00:25:10.000 He's been great.
00:25:11.000 And so, and there's several others that are with us, but there might be 10 that are outspoken.
00:25:16.000 But it's still sort of the opposite up here.
00:25:18.000 We've got 20 or 30 percent who have questions about more aid to Ukraine.
00:25:23.000 And yet among the public, it's 70% of Republicans and growing that are sick and tired of this.
00:25:29.000 And they see our border being overrun, that we're not willing to spend a dime or do anything to change policy on our border.
00:25:35.000 But we're sending billions of dollars over there to protect the borders of Ukraine.
00:25:40.000 Yeah, and I mean, I love the kind of weather vein analogy because they're just trying to test to see where things are.
00:25:47.000 The voters are decisively against this.
00:25:50.000 I believe firmly that because of the language that certain current and former senators have done, like Lindsey Graham and John McCain, we actually helped provoke the Russian invasion.
00:26:01.000 This is considered to be a thought crime.
00:26:03.000 You're not allowed to say this.
00:26:04.000 America's government is always right, but we were talking about expanding Ukraine into NATO.
00:26:10.000 We were antagonizing Russia. 0.85
00:26:12.000 Senator, can you build this out for us a little bit?
00:26:14.000 I think it's very important to talk about how we actually were complicit, potentially even responsible for creating this conflict in eastern Ukraine.
00:26:24.000 The problem with this discussion and why it's always they come at you with which pitchforks is that they believe that any explanation of why an adversary reacted in a certain way is somehow justification.
00:26:38.000 And I say it repeatedly to preface this, nothing justifies the invasion of Russia into Ukraine.
00:26:44.000 But you can explain the provocation.
00:26:46.000 And the provocation was this.
00:26:48.000 Russia has said for decades, and we promised back in the early 1990s, that when Germany united and Germany became part of NATO, that we wouldn't go one inch further into Eastern Europe.
00:26:59.000 And yet we did.
00:27:00.000 We kept adding and adding.
00:27:02.000 And as we added former Soviet republics into NATO, or we threatened to, such as Ukraine and Georgia, the Russians got their backup and continue and continue to say that that's one thing that's unacceptable.
00:27:15.000 And in fact, you can kind of argue that Russia's invasion of Georgia was to make them on a war footing and unacceptable for NATO membership.
00:27:25.000 Part of NATO membership is you can't really be in the middle of a civil war when you become a NATO member.
00:27:30.000 It also may have been the provocation that says, hey, we're going to go ahead and invade eastern Ukraine as well because it makes them less palatable to be admitted immediately into NATO.
00:27:41.000 But it certainly is a provocation.
00:27:43.000 Kissinger has mentioned this.
00:27:44.000 Others have mentioned this.
00:27:46.000 But to get to peace, we also need to realize that most wars end with a negotiated peace settlement.
00:27:52.000 Almost no wars end unconditionally.
00:27:55.000 But in the U.S., we've been programmed to think it ends like World War II.
00:27:58.000 You drop an atomic bomb, and then there's an unconditional peace, or unconditional surrender.
00:28:05.000 But I don't think that's going to happen.
00:28:07.000 And right now, Ukraine is saying, Zelensky is saying, he will not negotiate.
00:28:10.000 There'll be no ceasefire and no stopping to the killing until Russia leaves not only eastern Ukraine, but also Crimea, as it's been since 2014.
00:28:20.000 I think that's unlikely and means the killing goes on longer.
00:28:22.000 That's right.
00:28:23.000 And then if we supply unlimited arms, then there's also no incentive for them to negotiate.
00:28:28.000 But somebody's got to start soon.
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00:29:35.000 Washington Post reports, scoop.
00:29:38.000 Glenn Youngkin 2024 now taking shape as donors and Republicans grow alarmed.
00:29:45.000 The so-called Red Vest Retreat, October 17th and 18th in Virginia Beach.
00:29:51.000 Billionaire backer Tomas Peterfy assures, quote, money would be there.
00:29:56.000 Bill Barr telling him to put his oar in.
00:30:00.000 Having a hard time believing this.
00:30:02.000 I actually like Glenn Youngkin.
00:30:04.000 He's a little too moderate for my taste, but I actually think he's very smart.
00:30:09.000 I don't think he's going to do it.
00:30:11.000 He has seen how all these other candidates have just been smoked.
00:30:14.000 He very well might be doing this summit as just a way to raise money for the Texas, not Texas, I'm sorry, the Virginia House of Representatives races or the House of Delegates races.
00:30:25.000 And honestly, he's the best Republican we can have for Virginia.
00:30:29.000 Governor Young, let me give you some unsolicited advice.
00:30:33.000 Do not do this.
00:30:35.000 It will not go well for you.
00:30:36.000 No matter how many donors tell you it's going to go well for you, no matter how much money is promised to you, no matter how many consultants come to you, do not do this.
00:30:43.000 I like you.
00:30:43.000 I like what you're doing.
00:30:44.000 You're a strong Republican, especially since you're in the state of Virginia.
00:30:49.000 Don't do this to yourself.
00:30:50.000 Don't become a mockery.
00:30:51.000 Don't become an end of a joke.
00:30:53.000 Don't become all those different things.
00:30:56.000 The consultants are all saying, come and run.
00:31:00.000 Again, the people who tell you that you can win are the people who get a paycheck even if you don't.
00:31:07.000 They win no matter what, but you lose.
00:31:11.000 Even if somebody were to put up a billion dollars behind Glenn Youngkin, it doesn't matter.
00:31:17.000 Even if someone were to put up $2 billion, Trump is going to be the nominee.
00:31:22.000 But boy, this is a really sad story.
00:31:26.000 What is the buried lead of Glenn Youngkin even thinking about running?
00:31:29.000 What is the buried lead?
00:31:33.000 We were on this early.
00:31:37.000 The rise and fall of the presidential candidacy of Governor Ron DeSantis.
00:31:42.000 He was supposed to be the guy.
00:31:46.000 I mean, you want to talk about if you had a stock chart of Governor Ron DeSantis in January versus now?
00:31:53.000 Have we seen a stock plummet as far?
00:31:58.000 I mean, maybe Governor Scott Walker.
00:32:01.000 And they don't understand Trump is not a candidate.
00:32:03.000 Trump has become a movement.
00:32:06.000 And I wish Governor DeSantis has been a terrific governor.
00:32:09.000 Glenn Young has been a good governor.
00:32:11.000 Go back and be a governor.
00:32:13.000 Run your state.
00:32:14.000 Not everything has to be about ladder climbing.
00:32:18.000 And, you know, some people will say, well, Charlie, you sound scared of Yunkin.
00:32:21.000 No, I really don't as a Trump supporter.
00:32:24.000 I don't.
00:32:25.000 Trump will eat you for lunch. 1.00
00:32:28.000 He will obliterate you. 1.00
00:32:30.000 He will shred you. 0.98
00:32:31.000 It doesn't go well for anybody in a Republican primary.
00:32:34.000 I don't care if you're 6'7 and you've been in private equity and you have a bunch of your own money.
00:32:40.000 I don't want you to make the same DeSantis error.
00:32:43.000 It weakens our bench.
00:32:45.000 Much rather have you focus on governing Virginia, win back the House of Delegates, be a strong conservative governor for the future.
00:32:52.000 Maybe even Glenn Young running for a U.S. Senate seat and flipping one of those Virginia senators like Tim Kaine.
00:32:59.000 That would be great.
00:33:01.000 Having Glenn Young in the U.S. Senate and flipping one of those Virginians, he can obviously win statewide.
00:33:06.000 He's very, very well liked.
00:33:09.000 Don't run against Trump.
00:33:10.000 It's not going to end well for you.
00:33:11.000 It's bad for the country.
00:33:13.000 We'll see if he listens.
00:33:17.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:33:18.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:33:21.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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