The Charlie Kirk Show - Be A Man! With Spencer Mozingo

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody today in the Charlie Kirk show an entire hour with Spencer Mozingo who runs the amazing men's summit at Turning Point USA.

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00:01:26.000 The Wonderfulandrewandtodd.com joining us now is the director of our men's summit.

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00:01:38.000 Yes, thank you Charlie, for having me.

00:01:39.000 You bet Spencer Mozingo Spencer, introduce yourself.

00:01:43.000 So been uh through every aspect of life that you could go through, trying to find out what true masculinity is.

00:01:50.000 I grew up in a fatherless home.

00:01:52.000 I went through the lifelong fixing of that uh the, the abandonment and the, the quit culture that it's taught in that.

00:02:00.000 I joined the Marine Corps to 12 years in the Marine Corps um, and when I retired from the Marine Corps, there was something tugging at my soul, like I had a greater purpose that I needed to fulfill and that's to help other men find their masculine heart.

00:02:13.000 And that's what brought us here.

00:02:15.000 And uh, Spencer doesn't talk about it much, but you are a wounded veteran and you got your leg blown off and you haven't let that stop you.

00:02:23.000 I know you don't like talking about it, but I think it's an important part of your biography and you don't let it be part of your biography, which I find to be admirable.

00:02:30.000 And so then you left the Marine Corps.

00:02:33.000 You kind of got working into private security, detail correct and you kind of came into our circle and we were driving last summer and you basically are like we need to do a men's summit and I was like Spencer, i've thought about it, what would be different?

00:02:46.000 And you had a great answer.

00:02:47.000 And then the lord works in mysterious ways.

00:02:49.000 One of our donors loved the idea and I said, let's pilot it.

00:02:53.000 And you guys did two pilots this last fall.

00:02:55.000 Tell us about it.

00:02:56.000 We did so.

00:02:56.000 We did a pilot in Montana, we did a pilot in Texas.

00:02:59.000 The first group we took 20 men between the ages of 16 and I think the oldest we had there was 54 up to grass range Montana, lots of elevation, and we put them through Probably the hardest 72 hours of their life they would ever experience.

00:03:16.000 Over the three days, they maybe got eight hours of sleep, less than 2,000 calories for the three days.

00:03:21.000 They walked over 70 miles and not one person left there complaining for the simple reason that they got to see what they were made of.

00:03:31.000 They had a challenge and it was extremely hard.

00:03:33.000 And most of them wanted to quit in the moment, but they weren't given the opportunity to quit.

00:03:38.000 And they rose to it and they left different men.

00:03:41.000 And to this day, you know, that was August of last year, we're still seeing the results of that.

00:03:47.000 I want to talk more about the amount of planning and the amount of study you put in to develop what really could be called as a curriculum, which is a multi-day immersion experience.

00:03:59.000 But we have another men's summit coming up at Turning Point USA, and that is in February, right?

00:04:04.000 And there are spots available, but you have to go through an application process, and the interest is off the charts.

00:04:11.000 And if people are interested, we're going to talk about this throughout our conversation.

00:04:14.000 It's tpfaith.com/slash men's, correct? 0.94

00:04:18.000 Correct.

00:04:19.000 And there's just a form, fill it out, and our team will be in touch with you.

00:04:23.000 And so talk about, you know, just kind of some of the philosophy because the men's summit is different than other summits we do at Turning Point USA.

00:04:31.000 No big stages, right?

00:04:33.000 No massive speakers.

00:04:35.000 No, you've said from the beginning, we have to put these men in the wild.

00:04:39.000 We have to challenge them.

00:04:40.000 What's the importance of challenge when trying to develop young men?

00:04:43.000 Well, we have to strip down all the luxuries, first of all.

00:04:46.000 We have to get them out of the comfort zone.

00:04:48.000 We have to get away the technology.

00:04:51.000 We have to keep them away from the carnal pleasures and get them back to basically what a man is.

00:04:57.000 And that's stripping them down to, I am made of something.

00:05:01.000 I have a purpose.

00:05:03.000 I need to figure out what that is.

00:05:05.000 And it's most often found through challenge.

00:05:08.000 You can find great things through success, but you find a lot more out about yourself through struggle and failure and everything else.

00:05:15.000 And they get both.

00:05:16.000 They get a lot of struggle and they get a lot of failure.

00:05:19.000 No one can go through the summit and say, oh, I didn't fail anything because it's hard.

00:05:23.000 It's created to fail.

00:05:24.000 It's created for them to be broken down and see that they are not A, great at everything. 1.00

00:05:31.000 And for reasons, because they're in teams.

00:05:35.000 The team and the strong individual thing often gets misunderstood.

00:05:40.000 We think, oh, I've got to be a part of a strong team, but I can be a weak individual in that strong team and they'll just carry me through.

00:05:46.000 What we're trying to create is strong individuals who can go into a team and pull their weight and be a better asset to that team than if they weren't.

00:05:56.000 And one of the things that you intentionally try to do is you want to break them, but in a confine or in a context where they then can rebuild themselves to a higher purpose, correct?

00:06:12.000 Yeah, we want to strip them down.

00:06:14.000 I think it would be a better way of putting it. 0.94

00:06:15.000 We want to take away their defense systems.

00:06:18.000 The, oh, I can do this because I've seen it on a video game and I've been capable of doing that.

00:06:23.000 Or I work out at the gym 45 minutes.

00:06:26.000 I can handle anything.

00:06:26.000 We get a lot of that ego gets in the way.

00:06:29.000 So by reducing the calories and putting them through these intense physical evolutions, help strip away those comfort zones.

00:06:36.000 Think about the word hangry.

00:06:38.000 When people say they're hangry, they're getting in an adverse mood because of lack of food.

00:06:42.000 This is hangry just times a thousand.

00:06:45.000 When people get tired, their mood changes.

00:06:47.000 So we're adding all of that together.

00:06:48.000 And by the third day, when they think that they have nothing left to give, is when they truly start to shine and they start to see what they're capable of.

00:06:56.000 And I would imagine one of the things you have learned by just putting this on a little bit, I mean, you knew it beforehand, is we are far tougher than we think we are.

00:07:05.000 100%.

00:07:06.000 You know, most of our capabilities are limited by our thoughts and our doubts and our fears.

00:07:11.000 And I think a lot of that ties into the social media revolution as well because we started seeing all these fitness gurus on social media saying, oh, I can do this, you can't.

00:07:22.000 And people really started dumping on themselves and stopped trying to be great.

00:07:28.000 I was reading a book the other day, and it was talking about how men are so eager to put another man's last name on their back and look at them as a superhero and idol, especially with the sports culture.

00:07:37.000 Why not wear a jersey that has your own name and push yourself to be great?

00:07:43.000 If you were to define masculinity, let's just say properly develop masculinity, how would you do that?

00:07:51.000 Balance.

00:07:52.000 I think it comes into a lot of balance.

00:07:56.000 A man that exhibits true masculinity, he has to be strong and sensitive at the same time.

00:08:02.000 He has to be able to discipline and understand.

00:08:06.000 He has to be able to give grace.

00:08:08.000 He has to know when to talk and know when to listen.

00:08:11.000 And the latter being the most important.

00:08:13.000 I think masculinity has gotten such a bad tone because there is, you know, what you would call toxic masculinity, people who have taken it too far because they lack masculinity as a judge.

00:08:23.000 So what would that, let me interrupt.

00:08:24.000 What would that be?

00:08:25.000 Would that just be inability to control your aggression, overbearing physicality?

00:08:32.000 They call it toxic masculinity, but there are times when you could, you don't possess self-control or discipline.

00:08:38.000 Would that be...

00:08:39.000 I would say it is mainly the control issue, not knowing how to, A, control your emotions, control that aggression, seeing yourself as superior to someone else based off of just how you can act.

00:08:52.000 But masculinity as its raw form is great.

00:08:56.000 It's also necessary.

00:08:58.000 Very necessary. 1.00

00:08:59.000 What happens if a culture gets too feminine? 1.00

00:09:04.000 Things will start to shut down.

00:09:06.000 You can look at anything around and you can find a strong man.

00:09:09.000 Buildings are being built by strong men.

00:09:13.000 Battles are being fought by strong men. 0.97

00:09:16.000 And don't get me wrong, there's strong women out there too.

00:09:18.000 I just don't talk about anything with women because I've never been one and I don't ever plan on being one. 0.98

00:09:23.000 So it's not my right to tell them what they are.

00:09:26.000 But I have six daughters, but I can tell you those six daughters are going to know what a real man is and what real masculinity is.

00:09:32.000 And it's my job to make sure that men see that because they're looking for husbands someday. 0.99

00:09:38.000 Yeah, and I mean, a society needs to be balanced between the masculine and the feminine.

00:09:43.000 And we are lectured about what happens when societies get quote unquote too masculine.

00:09:47.000 You get Hitler, you get Mussolini, you get Mao.

00:09:49.000 Why don't we ever talk about what happens when a society gets too feminine? 1.00

00:09:53.000 And that could be equally as dystopian, by the way, equally as dysfunctional, equally, if not greater, in its chaos.

00:10:00.000 And the scales have tipped so far in the hyper-feminine direction that it's laced in our language, in our literature of hyper-emotive focus, of very focused on not duty and sacrifice, but your own state of mind.

00:10:17.000 I'm not saying that is exclusively feminine, but that is certainly more feminine than it is masculine in its proper context.

00:10:24.000 And so then society starts to get off kilter.

00:10:26.000 And when you get off kilter, you try to seek equilibrium.

00:10:29.000 And so far, society has struggled to do that.

00:10:32.000 Spencer Mozingo is here.

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00:11:52.000 Let's play cut 31, which is just a little taste from the pilots of the men's summit put on by Spencer and his team.

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00:12:08.000 Now in 2022, masculinity is being redefined.

00:12:11.000 Toxic masculinity. 0.99

00:12:13.000 The gist, masculinity is poison. 0.99

00:12:22.000 This is what men need. 0.99

00:12:23.000 This is what young men need.

00:12:24.000 This is what y'all need.

00:12:26.000 You got to put the fire to these gentlemen because they will rise out of that ash.

00:12:31.000 But if it wasn't hard, it wouldn't work.

00:12:57.000 What limit can we reach tomorrow?

00:13:00.000 Mentally, physically, spiritually.

00:13:02.000 And when you go home, you have all this stuff in your tool belt.

00:13:08.000 How is God breaking you now to prepare you for the future?

00:13:11.000 Life is going to be hard.

00:13:13.000 How is God using that?

00:13:14.000 How is he breaking you to prepare you for your purpose?

00:13:18.000 We're going to do this a million times.

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00:13:41.000 So, Spencer, I think it's fair to say that there is a war on masculinity.

00:13:46.000 Correct.

00:13:47.000 Why?

00:13:48.000 Because they're dangerous.

00:13:49.000 If you have a man that is strong physically and mentally, and he's willing to stand up and take action, that could be dangerous if you're trying to cripple a society.

00:14:00.000 So do you think that there very well could be an agenda by the current regime that makes their aims and ambitions for totalitarianism easier if men become more like women? 0.99

00:14:15.000 100%.

00:14:15.000 I think you're villainizing a gender or a masculine man just so he can't come out against you.

00:14:25.000 If you say that a man has toxic masculinity because he doesn't tolerate homosexuality or trans or whatever, and then everybody starts to hate him, then he's the villain.

00:14:35.000 He's no longer the hero.

00:14:36.000 So in order for you to be the hero, you have to create a worse villain than you are.

00:14:40.000 And that's what they're doing to current masculinity.

00:14:44.000 Walk us through some of the immediate consequences that we're seeing with the decline of masculinity. 0.73

00:14:50.000 Well, the first one is the fact that we have 500 genders.

00:14:53.000 I think that's a very interesting observation.

00:14:56.000 The identity crisis because we said, okay, well, it's not okay to be a man anymore.

00:15:01.000 So, what am I supposed to be?

00:15:04.000 Should I be a woman or should I just not have a gender at all?

00:15:07.000 That's become an issue. 0.98

00:15:08.000 Second one is fatherless children.

00:15:11.000 One in four kids in the United States is fatherless.

00:15:14.000 That's no biological father, no stepfather being raised by a single mother.

00:15:18.000 Totally absent.

00:15:19.000 And that causes lots of issues.

00:15:20.000 And the number's higher if you count transient fathers, meaning ones that come in and out, but they're not stable.

00:15:25.000 Correct.

00:15:25.000 It's 50 plus percent if you count that.

00:15:28.000 And it's causing a lot of our issues.

00:15:30.000 They're more likely to go to jail, more likely to drop out of school.

00:15:36.000 The statistics for fatherless children is setting them up for failure.

00:15:41.000 There's a good book out there called Tender Warrior by Stu Weber, and he kind of puts the four different pillars of a man's heart together of what a man truly is.

00:15:49.000 A man needs to be a king, so he needs to lead his family. 0.96

00:15:51.000 He needs to set the example.

00:15:53.000 He needs to provide discipline when it's needed and love when it's needed.

00:15:56.000 He needs to be a warrior.

00:15:58.000 A warrior fights for what's right.

00:15:59.000 He fights for that truth.

00:16:00.000 He fights for the virtue.

00:16:02.000 He doesn't back down just because somebody doesn't like it.

00:16:05.000 The next one is the mentor.

00:16:08.000 A man mentors other men.

00:16:10.000 He teaches them in the way that they need to be.

00:16:12.000 He's setting the example.

00:16:13.000 And the last one is a friend.

00:16:14.000 The man surrounds himself with other friends that are like-minded so they can keep each other accountable.

00:16:19.000 And I think that's the key with our program: we're setting men up to discover what they are, but we're also providing avenues for them to be held accountable by each other.

00:16:31.000 And you go through each one of those.

00:16:34.000 There is a deliberate campaign to deteriorate community.

00:16:39.000 Correct.

00:16:40.000 And adventure, that kind of call to adventure that men so desperately need.

00:16:44.000 The first thing Abram heard from God is get up and leave, basically.

00:16:48.000 Get out of your father's home and go into adventure.

00:16:50.000 We're called for adventure, but also to develop families.

00:16:55.000 And I want to talk about just some more of the societal carnage, which is the rise in suicide, depression, 107,000 drug overdoses last year.

00:17:05.000 The vast majority are men.

00:17:07.000 I mean, women do commit suicide. 1.00

00:17:09.000 They are depressed, but they are a small percentage compared to the volume of men that are engaging in self-destructive and self-inflicted behaviors.

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00:17:59.000 Spencer, why are so many young men killing themselves?

00:18:02.000 I think it comes down to what we were talking about earlier when it's the carnal pleasures versus other aspects of life.

00:18:10.000 So we're always told to pursue happiness because happiness is going to make us happy.

00:18:14.000 Find the things to make you happy, whether it's drinking, gambling, doing whatever you want.

00:18:19.000 But that's not the case.

00:18:20.000 What we should actually be seeking is true joy.

00:18:22.000 And what brings joy as a man is doing those things we talked about, being a king, being a warrior, being a leader, having a wife, raising a family, teaching them what's right and what's wrong.

00:18:33.000 That's what brings joy in life.

00:18:34.000 And there's going to be struggles in there.

00:18:37.000 We as men are taught now that we should be happy all the time.

00:18:41.000 And if there are struggles, find a way to get out of it, whether it's with alcohol or if it's with drugs or if it's being promiscuous with other people or being unfaithful.

00:18:50.000 Find that new happiness.

00:18:51.000 Don't hang in there and fight for it.

00:18:54.000 And so you think, therefore, that sort of philosophical derailment from what built the West, then it ends with, I can't get enough pleasure to get me out of my pain, therefore I'll just kill myself.

00:19:07.000 That we lack problem-solving skills as men now because we've tried to shelter from the hard stuff.

00:19:13.000 And that's exactly what we're doing at the summit.

00:19:15.000 We're putting through intentional, hard things to show men that they're strong enough to conquer anything.

00:19:21.000 If you can make it through the summit, you can make it through anything in life.

00:19:25.000 And everyone we've had has almost made it through the summit, other than people who just didn't want to be there.

00:19:33.000 But men need that balance.

00:19:38.000 They need to understand, I'm a man, life's going to be hard.

00:19:42.000 I'm strong enough to get through it.

00:19:44.000 But we also need to humble ourselves as men and say, you know what, if I need to talk to someone, it's okay.

00:19:49.000 I don't need to turn to alcohol.

00:19:50.000 I don't need to keep it internal.

00:19:52.000 It's okay to have that balance like I was talking about earlier and just say, something's not right.

00:19:57.000 I should probably get this checked out.

00:19:59.000 Testosterone rates are down nearly 80% in the last 20 years.

00:20:03.000 Why do you think that is?

00:20:05.000 Food, more than likely.

00:20:07.000 The food we're eating is everything's GMO now.

00:20:11.000 We've shoved all of our meat with antibiotics.

00:20:13.000 We've created vegetables that shouldn't be vegetables.

00:20:16.000 We spray it with all kinds of stuff to make sure it lasts 15 days in the store.

00:20:20.000 And then we wonder why everybody's sick.

00:20:22.000 Do you think there's any other factors?

00:20:23.000 Do you think that lowering, basically relentlessly berating and beating young men, do you think that might play a role?

00:20:31.000 Is there a societal or cultural factor, or is it just all, you think, biochemical?

00:20:35.000 I think the lazy culture could be a part of it as well.

00:20:37.000 We stopped doing the things that require testosterone, lifting heavy weights, running long distances, carrying weight, physical activity.

00:20:45.000 So it stopped producing it as a society.

00:20:47.000 I think that's more than acceptable to assume.

00:20:50.000 It's one of the great mysteries.

00:20:52.000 I don't think it's much of a mystery, but let's just say it's a mystery of our time.

00:20:55.000 And almost no one talks about it, about how testosterone rates in the 80s were 80% higher than they are today.

00:21:02.000 Right.

00:21:03.000 I think nobody's talking about it because we don't want to talk about men's problems because we don't want men.

00:21:08.000 There's studies out there saying that men are not needed at all. 0.95

00:21:12.000 And I were to assume that if they could find a way to complete the reproductive process without a man completely, they would try to kill all men. 0.83

00:21:20.000 You think that's part of the agenda? 0.97

00:21:22.000 I do.

00:21:23.000 Because we don't want strong people who can stand up for what's right because that's an issue.

00:21:30.000 It makes totalitarianism far more simple.

00:21:34.000 We were talking about the balance between the feminine and the masculine. 0.99

00:21:38.000 The thing I hear from women all the time is, I can't find a strong man. 1.00

00:21:42.000 They're all weak. 1.00

00:21:43.000 They're cowards. 1.00

00:21:44.000 They're addicted. 1.00

00:21:47.000 It's not just men who want men to be strong.

00:21:51.000 It's women that are asking the question, where are the strong men?

00:21:55.000 Yeah, because they want strong husbands and they want strong fathers for their kids. 0.99

00:21:59.000 It's human nature. 1.00

00:22:01.000 It's biological to want that.

00:22:02.000 You don't want the guy who's going to sit there and play video games for 20 hours a day. 1.00

00:22:07.000 But the feminists and others have villainized the male again to where everybody thinks that nobody wants a strong man. 1.00

00:22:16.000 But that's not the case.

00:22:17.000 And I think that it comes down to just needing to stand up for what's right and stand up for masculinity on both sides.

00:22:24.000 Men need to stand up for masculinity, but so do the women that want it. 0.99

00:22:29.000 In your calculation, where does faith play a role in all of this?

00:22:33.000 From the beginning, creation.

00:22:35.000 We were created in God's image.

00:22:37.000 We were created a specific way.

00:22:39.000 We were created as men.

00:22:41.000 John Eldridge had a really good book probably 20-some years ago called Wild at Heart.

00:22:45.000 It ties man into creation.

00:22:48.000 And you'd be hard-pressed to find an individual who can go out into the wilderness and not be content.

00:22:53.000 And I mean, and Michael Easter's touched on this in his book, too, Comfort Crisis that you recommended.

00:22:59.000 And it won the book of the year for me, by the way.

00:23:01.000 Of all the books, yeah, out of 35 books I read, not a lot of books because one of our team members said it wasn't a lot to read 35 books.

00:23:08.000 So I only read 35 books.

00:23:10.000 But it was the best book I read last year where there is this inexplicable element to our species that needs to be in the wild, especially men.

00:23:22.000 Across multiple religions and even atheists, the naturalists, they all kind of agree on the same thing, that there's a connection between man and nature.

00:23:30.000 There's healing aspects, there's peace aspects, and there's rejuvenation aspects.

00:23:36.000 It was created for us to have dominion over all of it.

00:23:40.000 That's right.

00:23:41.000 We're not subservient or equal to nature.

00:23:43.000 No, we are not.

00:23:44.000 We hold dominion over it.

00:23:46.000 It's there for us.

00:23:48.000 And that's why we need to spend more time in it.

00:23:51.000 It brings us peace.

00:23:52.000 It brings us struggles.

00:23:54.000 And humility.

00:23:55.000 It definitely can bring a lot of humility.

00:23:58.000 The elements can be unforgiving.

00:24:01.000 Right.

00:24:03.000 But if you expose yourself to enough tough elements, you become tougher and those elements are no longer as tough.

00:24:11.000 Why is that very simple truism become so rare?

00:24:17.000 That is the end-all question.

00:24:19.000 It's basic conditioning.

00:24:20.000 You know, we look at it from a physical fitness aspect.

00:24:23.000 We condition ourselves by running so that we can accomplish a specific task, but we don't apply it to general life.

00:24:30.000 We don't condition ourselves to encounter hard times because we are programmed to understand that everything's supposed to be easy.

00:24:37.000 I'm supposed to have it my way.

00:24:38.000 I'm supposed to have it the Amazon way tomorrow without the work.

00:24:42.000 But that's not the case.

00:24:44.000 If you want something, you have to work for it.

00:24:46.000 And if you want it that bad, you have to work for it that much harder.

00:24:50.000 And so many young men are lacking, or they've never been taught the meaning of the word duty.

00:24:58.000 What does duty mean to a man or a young man who has his life properly oriented?

00:25:05.000 It can mean multiple things.

00:25:07.000 And this is one of those, I look at Israel's mandatory national service.

00:25:13.000 Idea.

00:25:14.000 And I think that it would be great for us as well because it's that duty.

00:25:19.000 I have a distinct duty.

00:25:20.000 My 12 years in the Marine Corps, I had a distinct purpose.

00:25:23.000 I knew exactly what I had to do.

00:25:25.000 I knew why I was doing it.

00:25:26.000 September 11th happened when I was in ninth grade.

00:25:29.000 That's why I joined the Marine Corps.

00:25:30.000 And every day I was there, I never questioned what was my purpose in life until the day I left.

00:25:36.000 And then for almost five years, I walked around wondering, why am I here?

00:25:45.000 What is my goal in life?

00:25:46.000 What is my duty?

00:25:48.000 And it comes down back to the pleasures.

00:25:50.000 Stop looking for the quick fix and start trying to find your purpose.

00:25:53.000 Going back to God created the world for us and nature for us.

00:25:56.000 He also created us with a distinct purpose, and we need to be trained to look for that.

00:26:00.000 That's part of the programming at the summit is helping men go on a path of discovering what they were made for.

00:26:06.000 And tell us some of those success stories of young men that have been transformed in the positive sense in that way.

00:26:12.000 So we've had men go back and have, I guess they would call them social media influencers.

00:26:17.000 They started talking about real topics and standing up for truth.

00:26:20.000 We've had men leave there and go back and be successful at their jobs, take on new careers, experience growth in their current professions.

00:26:28.000 We've had guys leave there, go back to their church, take over men's groups that are leading them to create authentic, masculine men's devotional groups at churches based in doing hard things, talking about hard topics, standing up for what's right.

00:26:42.000 This is so lacking in our culture and in our country right now for so many different reasons.

00:26:49.000 But, you know, when a young man is asking for his, what is my purpose?

00:26:52.000 What's my place?

00:26:54.000 This is really an interesting thing where modernity has given us more of everything except happiness and joy.

00:27:00.000 Everything.

00:27:01.000 You know, our homes are twice as big, filled with twice as much junk, and they're half as big.

00:27:06.000 The families are half as big.

00:27:08.000 And this is the first generation that I believe in history has widespread institutional existential despair.

00:27:15.000 It's never happened before.

00:27:17.000 Why is that happening?

00:27:19.000 We've broken down the society norms of the past.

00:27:24.000 You know, there used to be a saying that it takes a community to raise a child.

00:27:27.000 That was the same thing for everything else.

00:27:30.000 You look at the different stages of masculinity, and I read this in a book.

00:27:33.000 I can't remember which one, but it did a really good job of explaining it.

00:27:37.000 A man goes through multiple phases.

00:27:38.000 He goes through that boyhood phase where he's looking for that attaboy from his father.

00:27:43.000 And then he goes into kind of that warrior phase where he's looking for a battle to fight.

00:27:47.000 Then he transitions into that lover stage where he's looking for a woman to fight that battle for.

00:27:53.000 Then he goes into being the king where he has the responsibility.

00:27:55.000 And then he goes into the sage aspect.

00:27:57.000 And I put a lot of emphasis on the sage because that's when he takes all those life experiences and starts passing it down.

00:28:03.000 We made these really big houses with these really tall fences so we didn't have to pass anything along to our neighbors or to our communities.

00:28:10.000 We stopped being communities and started being individual families in a community.

00:28:15.000 If we want to bring that back, we got to tear down the fences, not physically, but metaphorically.

00:28:20.000 We have to start having conversations.

00:28:22.000 Old men need to start talking to younger men, et cetera, et cetera. 0.99

00:28:26.000 We need mentors.

00:28:26.000 We need mentees, and we need to set the example for future generations.

00:28:30.000 It's such an incredible crisis.

00:28:31.000 We're trying to do our part at Turning Point USA to go about solving it or at least trying to remedy it.

00:28:38.000 And again, people could check it out, tpfaith.com slash mens.

00:28:42.000 But it's more institutional, and I hate this word, but it's more systemic than I think people realize or are willing to recognize.

00:28:50.000 It's the most suicidal, depressed, alcohol, and drug-addicted generation in history.

00:28:55.000 And I don't hear enough people at all talk about it.

00:28:58.000 They act as if this generation is lazy and titled and spoiled.

00:29:01.000 It's like, well, maybe you guys handed down a country that's completely broken.

00:29:04.000 And now you have 40 million people experiencing existential despair.

00:29:09.000 Spencer, other thoughts you have about the philosophy that you are implementing at our men's summit?

00:29:15.000 It's essential.

00:29:16.000 I think that's what it comes down to.

00:29:19.000 I firmly believe that 2023 is going to be the revival of the masculine heart.

00:29:23.000 That's where men are going to start to take a stand.

00:29:25.000 And it's essential.

00:29:27.000 In order for the country to be saved, the church needs to be saved.

00:29:29.000 In order for the church to be saved, men need to stand up and start being men. 0.99

00:29:34.000 Have you noticed how feminine American churches have become? 0.97

00:29:37.000 Very.

00:29:37.000 We've come into a real pandemic of skinny jeans and sweaters and whatnot at the church and donut breakfasts for dads and not enough masculine sport at the church, not enough stuff to draw men.

00:29:53.000 I think it's like one in three women go to church on Sundays without their husband.

00:29:58.000 I believe that.

00:29:59.000 Because there's nothing appealing to the man.

00:30:01.000 But we're going to fix that.

00:30:02.000 We're going to change that.

00:30:03.000 There's lots of options that the churches can do to get a man to want to be there.

00:30:08.000 Such as.

00:30:09.000 Such as hard things.

00:30:11.000 Almost a lot of men will go to the gym every day of the week.

00:30:15.000 Why not do something at your church that's physical that'll bring the men there?

00:30:19.000 Most men will stop and help somebody in need.

00:30:22.000 It's just something they feel tugging on their heart.

00:30:24.000 Why not create an opportunity for your men to do that at your church?

00:30:26.000 Why does everything have to be around donuts and reading books and talking about feelings? 0.98

00:30:32.000 Yeah, circular conversations about a devotional written by a woman, which is great for women. 1.00

00:30:37.000 Correct.

00:30:38.000 Men don't want to do that. 0.99

00:30:39.000 Correct.

00:30:40.000 We have got to create programs that show men it's okay to be a warrior.

00:30:44.000 It's okay to fight.

00:30:44.000 It's okay to stand up for the truth.

00:30:46.000 It's okay to have aggression.

00:30:49.000 It's okay to use it in a proper way.

00:30:52.000 It's okay to love fiercely.

00:30:54.000 It's okay to do hard things.

00:30:56.000 It's okay to be strong.

00:30:58.000 There are three types of people: there's infants, there's the defenders of infants and predators.

00:31:02.000 And when your men do not become defenders of infants and they stay as infants, the predators are able to roam free.

00:31:09.000 Correct.

00:31:09.000 And we're living through part of that.

00:31:11.000 We are.

00:31:13.000 It's the man's responsibility to protect those that can't protect themselves and viciously go after the predators.

00:31:20.000 100%.

00:31:21.000 But we've made them villains.

00:31:24.000 We've got rid of the masculine man.

00:31:26.000 It's all part of an agenda to get rid of the men.

00:31:30.000 When you don't have people standing in your way, it's easy to do whatever you want.

00:31:35.000 Like being pro-there's a lot of truth to that.

00:31:39.000 Say that again.

00:31:40.000 When you don't have people standing in your way, it's easy to do whatever you want.

00:31:43.000 Correct.

00:31:44.000 100%.

00:31:45.000 You could put that on a t-shirt.

00:31:47.000 Maybe we will.

00:31:49.000 That is the roadmap for authoritarianism right there.

00:31:53.000 It is.

00:31:54.000 No one's going to be in my way, a.k.a. men.

00:31:56.000 So, I mean, I hate to get too deep into this, but I think it's totally right that if I was trying to control the world, I'd want testosterone rates to go down.

00:32:04.000 Yes.

00:32:05.000 Why not do it through something that people eat every day with their food or water?

00:32:10.000 Who knows what's in tap water anymore?

00:32:12.000 Yeah, we don't really know why the rates are going up.

00:32:14.000 We just don't know they are.

00:32:15.000 Right.

00:32:16.000 And so one of the goals that we have, and I know you have as you're spearheading this project, is we want to try to get thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of men to reorient their life anchored in truth with courage, bravery, and duty.

00:32:28.000 Yes.

00:32:29.000 And stand for action.

00:32:31.000 It's one thing to go through the summit and experience this masculine awakening and just keep it for yourself and do self-improvement.

00:32:39.000 But one of our biggest things is calling men to action.

00:32:42.000 Go back and do something with it.

00:32:44.000 Mentor other men.

00:32:45.000 You know, find those young boys in your community that don't have a father and be a father to them.

00:32:50.000 Show them the things they need to know.

00:32:51.000 Show them what it is to be a man.

00:32:53.000 Go stand up for what you believe in.

00:32:55.000 Run for office.

00:32:57.000 Go to church.

00:32:58.000 Say, hey, I want to start a men's group and this is what it's going to look like.

00:33:02.000 Most of the time, the answer will be yes.

00:33:04.000 But men stop taking the initiative, so then women had to step in and fill the positions. 0.71

00:33:09.000 And if I talk to a lot of women, they don't want to. 0.99

00:33:11.000 They're more comfortable with most of these times having men do it. 0.94

00:33:15.000 It's just the men are missing.

00:33:16.000 Correct.

00:33:18.000 We were all created, man and woman, in their own way.

00:33:21.000 And so those created things feel right.

00:33:24.000 When we operate outside of those, we find that lack of joy or the lack of contentment, kind of with the purpose.

00:33:30.000 Yeah, the balance is out of whack, right?

00:33:32.000 The equilibrium has been lost.

00:33:34.000 When I got out of the Marine Corps, I went into oil and gas and then a plastics company and started a nonprofit and failed at a nonprofit and every other thing because I was seeking fulfillment in what society told me was correct.

00:33:47.000 I need to make a lot of money.

00:33:48.000 I need to make some sort of status and then I would be happy.

00:33:51.000 But never was I content until I started pursuing what I was created for.

00:33:55.000 This is what I was created for.

00:33:57.000 Yeah, in some ways, Spencer's purpose is to help young men find their purpose.

00:34:01.000 Right.

00:34:02.000 That's a big mission.

00:34:03.000 Yeah, it is.

00:34:03.000 tpfaith.com slash men's.

00:34:05.000 Spencer will have you back on.

00:34:06.000 We're going to keep promoting it.

00:34:08.000 This is going to be one of the most popular things Turning Point does and one of the most important.

00:34:13.000 And I got to tell you, the team, they take it super seriously.

00:34:16.000 It's safe, but it's challenging.

00:34:18.000 It's out in the wild.

00:34:19.000 It is contained in a way that the young men in your life or just men in general, if you're hearing this, if you want to challenge yourself and become a deeper person, go to tpfaith.com/slash mens.

00:34:29.000 Spencer, thanks so much.

00:34:30.000 Thank you.

00:34:31.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:33.000 Email me your thoughts as always.

00:34:34.000 Freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:36.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:34:38.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 25, 2023

Be A Man! With Spencer Mozingo

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