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00:01:52.000I went through the lifelong fixing of that uh the, the abandonment and the, the quit culture that it's taught in that.
00:02:00.000I joined the Marine Corps to 12 years in the Marine Corps um, and when I retired from the Marine Corps, there was something tugging at my soul, like I had a greater purpose that I needed to fulfill and that's to help other men find their masculine heart.
00:02:15.000And uh, Spencer doesn't talk about it much, but you are a wounded veteran and you got your leg blown off and you haven't let that stop you.
00:02:23.000I know you don't like talking about it, but I think it's an important part of your biography and you don't let it be part of your biography, which I find to be admirable.
00:02:30.000And so then you left the Marine Corps.
00:02:33.000You kind of got working into private security, detail correct and you kind of came into our circle and we were driving last summer and you basically are like we need to do a men's summit and I was like Spencer, i've thought about it, what would be different?
00:02:56.000We did a pilot in Montana, we did a pilot in Texas.
00:02:59.000The first group we took 20 men between the ages of 16 and I think the oldest we had there was 54 up to grass range Montana, lots of elevation, and we put them through Probably the hardest 72 hours of their life they would ever experience.
00:03:16.000Over the three days, they maybe got eight hours of sleep, less than 2,000 calories for the three days.
00:03:21.000They walked over 70 miles and not one person left there complaining for the simple reason that they got to see what they were made of.
00:03:31.000They had a challenge and it was extremely hard.
00:03:33.000And most of them wanted to quit in the moment, but they weren't given the opportunity to quit.
00:03:38.000And they rose to it and they left different men.
00:03:41.000And to this day, you know, that was August of last year, we're still seeing the results of that.
00:03:47.000I want to talk more about the amount of planning and the amount of study you put in to develop what really could be called as a curriculum, which is a multi-day immersion experience.
00:03:59.000But we have another men's summit coming up at Turning Point USA, and that is in February, right?
00:04:04.000And there are spots available, but you have to go through an application process, and the interest is off the charts.
00:04:11.000And if people are interested, we're going to talk about this throughout our conversation.
00:04:19.000And there's just a form, fill it out, and our team will be in touch with you.
00:04:23.000And so talk about, you know, just kind of some of the philosophy because the men's summit is different than other summits we do at Turning Point USA.
00:05:24.000It's created for them to be broken down and see that they are not A, great at everything.
00:05:31.000And for reasons, because they're in teams.
00:05:35.000The team and the strong individual thing often gets misunderstood.
00:05:40.000We think, oh, I've got to be a part of a strong team, but I can be a weak individual in that strong team and they'll just carry me through.
00:05:46.000What we're trying to create is strong individuals who can go into a team and pull their weight and be a better asset to that team than if they weren't.
00:05:56.000And one of the things that you intentionally try to do is you want to break them, but in a confine or in a context where they then can rebuild themselves to a higher purpose, correct?
00:06:48.000And by the third day, when they think that they have nothing left to give, is when they truly start to shine and they start to see what they're capable of.
00:06:56.000And I would imagine one of the things you have learned by just putting this on a little bit, I mean, you knew it beforehand, is we are far tougher than we think we are.
00:07:06.000You know, most of our capabilities are limited by our thoughts and our doubts and our fears.
00:07:11.000And I think a lot of that ties into the social media revolution as well because we started seeing all these fitness gurus on social media saying, oh, I can do this, you can't.
00:07:22.000And people really started dumping on themselves and stopped trying to be great.
00:07:28.000I was reading a book the other day, and it was talking about how men are so eager to put another man's last name on their back and look at them as a superhero and idol, especially with the sports culture.
00:07:37.000Why not wear a jersey that has your own name and push yourself to be great?
00:07:43.000If you were to define masculinity, let's just say properly develop masculinity, how would you do that?
00:08:08.000He has to know when to talk and know when to listen.
00:08:11.000And the latter being the most important.
00:08:13.000I think masculinity has gotten such a bad tone because there is, you know, what you would call toxic masculinity, people who have taken it too far because they lack masculinity as a judge.
00:08:39.000I would say it is mainly the control issue, not knowing how to, A, control your emotions, control that aggression, seeing yourself as superior to someone else based off of just how you can act.
00:08:52.000But masculinity as its raw form is great.
00:09:06.000You can look at anything around and you can find a strong man.
00:09:09.000Buildings are being built by strong men.
00:09:13.000Battles are being fought by strong men.
00:09:16.000And don't get me wrong, there's strong women out there too.
00:09:18.000I just don't talk about anything with women because I've never been one and I don't ever plan on being one.
00:09:23.000So it's not my right to tell them what they are.
00:09:26.000But I have six daughters, but I can tell you those six daughters are going to know what a real man is and what real masculinity is.
00:09:32.000And it's my job to make sure that men see that because they're looking for husbands someday.
00:09:38.000Yeah, and I mean, a society needs to be balanced between the masculine and the feminine.
00:09:43.000And we are lectured about what happens when societies get quote unquote too masculine.
00:09:47.000You get Hitler, you get Mussolini, you get Mao.
00:09:49.000Why don't we ever talk about what happens when a society gets too feminine?
00:09:53.000And that could be equally as dystopian, by the way, equally as dysfunctional, equally, if not greater, in its chaos.
00:10:00.000And the scales have tipped so far in the hyper-feminine direction that it's laced in our language, in our literature of hyper-emotive focus, of very focused on not duty and sacrifice, but your own state of mind.
00:10:17.000I'm not saying that is exclusively feminine, but that is certainly more feminine than it is masculine in its proper context.
00:10:24.000And so then society starts to get off kilter.
00:10:26.000And when you get off kilter, you try to seek equilibrium.
00:10:29.000And so far, society has struggled to do that.
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00:13:49.000If you have a man that is strong physically and mentally, and he's willing to stand up and take action, that could be dangerous if you're trying to cripple a society.
00:14:00.000So do you think that there very well could be an agenda by the current regime that makes their aims and ambitions for totalitarianism easier if men become more like women?
00:14:15.000I think you're villainizing a gender or a masculine man just so he can't come out against you.
00:14:25.000If you say that a man has toxic masculinity because he doesn't tolerate homosexuality or trans or whatever, and then everybody starts to hate him, then he's the villain.
00:15:30.000They're more likely to go to jail, more likely to drop out of school.
00:15:36.000The statistics for fatherless children is setting them up for failure.
00:15:41.000There's a good book out there called Tender Warrior by Stu Weber, and he kind of puts the four different pillars of a man's heart together of what a man truly is.
00:15:49.000A man needs to be a king, so he needs to lead his family.
00:16:14.000The man surrounds himself with other friends that are like-minded so they can keep each other accountable.
00:16:19.000And I think that's the key with our program: we're setting men up to discover what they are, but we're also providing avenues for them to be held accountable by each other.
00:16:40.000And adventure, that kind of call to adventure that men so desperately need.
00:16:44.000The first thing Abram heard from God is get up and leave, basically.
00:16:48.000Get out of your father's home and go into adventure.
00:16:50.000We're called for adventure, but also to develop families.
00:16:55.000And I want to talk about just some more of the societal carnage, which is the rise in suicide, depression, 107,000 drug overdoses last year.
00:17:09.000They are depressed, but they are a small percentage compared to the volume of men that are engaging in self-destructive and self-inflicted behaviors.
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00:18:20.000What we should actually be seeking is true joy.
00:18:22.000And what brings joy as a man is doing those things we talked about, being a king, being a warrior, being a leader, having a wife, raising a family, teaching them what's right and what's wrong.
00:18:34.000And there's going to be struggles in there.
00:18:37.000We as men are taught now that we should be happy all the time.
00:18:41.000And if there are struggles, find a way to get out of it, whether it's with alcohol or if it's with drugs or if it's being promiscuous with other people or being unfaithful.
00:18:54.000And so you think, therefore, that sort of philosophical derailment from what built the West, then it ends with, I can't get enough pleasure to get me out of my pain, therefore I'll just kill myself.
00:19:07.000That we lack problem-solving skills as men now because we've tried to shelter from the hard stuff.
00:19:13.000And that's exactly what we're doing at the summit.
00:19:15.000We're putting through intentional, hard things to show men that they're strong enough to conquer anything.
00:19:21.000If you can make it through the summit, you can make it through anything in life.
00:19:25.000And everyone we've had has almost made it through the summit, other than people who just didn't want to be there.
00:21:03.000I think nobody's talking about it because we don't want to talk about men's problems because we don't want men.
00:21:08.000There's studies out there saying that men are not needed at all.
00:21:12.000And I were to assume that if they could find a way to complete the reproductive process without a man completely, they would try to kill all men.
00:23:10.000But it was the best book I read last year where there is this inexplicable element to our species that needs to be in the wild, especially men.
00:23:22.000Across multiple religions and even atheists, the naturalists, they all kind of agree on the same thing, that there's a connection between man and nature.
00:23:30.000There's healing aspects, there's peace aspects, and there's rejuvenation aspects.
00:23:36.000It was created for us to have dominion over all of it.
00:25:48.000And it comes down back to the pleasures.
00:25:50.000Stop looking for the quick fix and start trying to find your purpose.
00:25:53.000Going back to God created the world for us and nature for us.
00:25:56.000He also created us with a distinct purpose, and we need to be trained to look for that.
00:26:00.000That's part of the programming at the summit is helping men go on a path of discovering what they were made for.
00:26:06.000And tell us some of those success stories of young men that have been transformed in the positive sense in that way.
00:26:12.000So we've had men go back and have, I guess they would call them social media influencers.
00:26:17.000They started talking about real topics and standing up for truth.
00:26:20.000We've had men leave there and go back and be successful at their jobs, take on new careers, experience growth in their current professions.
00:26:28.000We've had guys leave there, go back to their church, take over men's groups that are leading them to create authentic, masculine men's devotional groups at churches based in doing hard things, talking about hard topics, standing up for what's right.
00:26:42.000This is so lacking in our culture and in our country right now for so many different reasons.
00:26:49.000But, you know, when a young man is asking for his, what is my purpose?
00:27:38.000He goes through that boyhood phase where he's looking for that attaboy from his father.
00:27:43.000And then he goes into kind of that warrior phase where he's looking for a battle to fight.
00:27:47.000Then he transitions into that lover stage where he's looking for a woman to fight that battle for.
00:27:53.000Then he goes into being the king where he has the responsibility.
00:27:55.000And then he goes into the sage aspect.
00:27:57.000And I put a lot of emphasis on the sage because that's when he takes all those life experiences and starts passing it down.
00:28:03.000We made these really big houses with these really tall fences so we didn't have to pass anything along to our neighbors or to our communities.
00:28:10.000We stopped being communities and started being individual families in a community.
00:28:15.000If we want to bring that back, we got to tear down the fences, not physically, but metaphorically.
00:28:20.000We have to start having conversations.
00:28:22.000Old men need to start talking to younger men, et cetera, et cetera.
00:29:37.000We've come into a real pandemic of skinny jeans and sweaters and whatnot at the church and donut breakfasts for dads and not enough masculine sport at the church, not enough stuff to draw men.
00:29:53.000I think it's like one in three women go to church on Sundays without their husband.
00:31:54.000No one's going to be in my way, a.k.a. men.
00:31:56.000So, I mean, I hate to get too deep into this, but I think it's totally right that if I was trying to control the world, I'd want testosterone rates to go down.
00:32:16.000And so one of the goals that we have, and I know you have as you're spearheading this project, is we want to try to get thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of men to reorient their life anchored in truth with courage, bravery, and duty.
00:33:34.000When I got out of the Marine Corps, I went into oil and gas and then a plastics company and started a nonprofit and failed at a nonprofit and every other thing because I was seeking fulfillment in what society told me was correct.
00:34:19.000It is contained in a way that the young men in your life or just men in general, if you're hearing this, if you want to challenge yourself and become a deeper person, go to tpfaith.com/slash mens.