The Charlie Kirk Show - Before You Decide On the Big Beautiful Bill, Listen To This

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk show, Stephen Miller, he throws it down.

00:00:07.000 You are going to love this conversation with the legendary, the great Stephen Miller.

00:00:13.000 That's right, Stephen Miller, all about the big, beautiful bill.

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00:01:58.000 Stephen, my friend, thank you for joining.

00:02:00.000 How are you doing today?

00:02:01.000 Thank you.

00:02:02.000 It's great to be on.

00:02:02.000 And let me also just congratulate you, Charlie, on your extraordinary success.

00:02:06.000 You've been such a critical element of the success of the MAGA movement, building this durable framework for pocketless governance.

00:02:15.000 And so I hope your audience appreciates how much we appreciate you.

00:02:18.000 Well, thank you, Stephen.

00:02:19.000 And we have reciprocal respect here.

00:02:22.000 And I hope everyone in the audience understands that Stephen in the White House every single day is holding down the anchor.

00:02:32.000 Stephen Miller is in the meetings.

00:02:35.000 He is talking about more deportations.

00:02:37.000 He is going through the entire list of what did we campaign on, what did we promise, and are we delivering it?

00:02:43.000 And you deserve a ton of credit there.

00:02:45.000 Stephen, we have some time, and I want to build momentum behind this big, beautiful bill, because I think some people are losing the profundity and the significance.

00:02:56.000 of what this bill will actually accomplish.

00:02:59.000 What is, in your opinion, the legislative history, the historical significance behind this bill, and what does it mean for the conservative project more broadly?

00:03:10.000 Yes, it's such an excellent question.

00:03:13.000 And let me start for your audience as they know me as well.

00:03:15.000 There's a little bit, and I normally wouldn't do this, but a little bit of extra context on myself.

00:03:19.000 I started working in the conservative movement like you, Charlie, when I was still a kid.

00:03:25.000 I was in high school.

00:03:27.000 I went to war with my administration and teachers at Santa Monica Public High School over radical left-wing indoctrination.

00:03:35.000 Carried on the fight at Duke University.

00:03:39.000 Fought relentlessly to defend the innocence of the Duke lacrosse players.

00:03:42.000 My first boss on Capitol Hill was Michelle Bachman, Minnesota. 0.95

00:03:46.000 We were Tea Party before there was a Tea Party. 0.77

00:03:50.000 I spent my entire adult life in this movement.

00:03:54.000 In the summer of 2015, I started working for President Trump, recognizing instantly that this was the man who was going to finally be able to create a winning formula for populist, nationalist, conservative governance, that he was going to be our antidote to the corruption, to the failures, to the sinister machinations of our failed elites.

00:04:24.000 And the ruling class, which is why they spent 10 years trying to destroy him.

00:04:28.000 That's what brings us to this moment.

00:04:30.000 I have waited my entire life.

00:04:33.000 And if I was older, it would be – I would say I'd been waiting for 100 years because there's never been a bill like this bill since there has been a conservative movement.

00:04:44.000 This represents the culmination in the case of the MAGA movement of 10 years of hard work.

00:04:50.000 This bill would have been unthinkable.

00:04:52.000 In 2017, in the Paul Ryan era, in this bill is the codification of President Trump's most important campaign promises.

00:05:02.000 It is done through a process known as reconciliation, which allows us to enact them into law with 50 votes, not 60. No Democrats are involved.

00:05:11.000 There's no trading with Democrats.

00:05:12.000 No Democrats are involved in the writing or crafting of this bill, nor is it written by the Appropriations Committee.

00:05:18.000 This bill is written by the most conservative lawmakers.

00:05:21.000 In Congress, people like Jim Jordan.

00:05:24.000 It's written out of the policy-making committees by the Republican members there.

00:05:30.000 So, for example, as has been much discussed, it fully funds the deportation agenda.

00:05:36.000 It fully funds massive expansion to the number of ICE deportation officers, ICE beds, ICE deportation flights, and the complete physical, permanent physical ceiling of the entire southwest border.

00:05:50.000 All of that money, all of that funding is provided up front.

00:05:54.000 This was a 10-year plan.

00:05:55.000 In other words, going back to 2017, when Paul Ryan didn't give us the money for the immigration project, for 10 years, we thought, given the chance to do it again, we would put all of the immigration money in the first bill out of the chute up front.

00:06:12.000 That's what this bill does.

00:06:15.000 And also, significant additional There's language in here cracking down on nationwide injunctions.

00:06:24.000 There's language in here raising the fees on foreigners coming to our country so that we can protect the American taxpayer.

00:06:30.000 There's language in here expanding the mission of the Defense Department to seal and protect the U.S. border.

00:06:36.000 And I could go on.

00:06:37.000 Of course, the bill also includes in it every single tax promise that President Trump made on the campaign trail.

00:06:44.000 But in particular, the pocket of this tax promise is To forge that deep alliance with the working class of this country.

00:06:51.000 No tax on tips.

00:06:52.000 No tax on social security.

00:06:53.000 No tax on overtime.

00:06:55.000 Look, if Ronald Reagan had just done no tax on tips, they'd still be giving speeches about it today at the Reagan Library.

00:07:01.000 That's true.

00:07:02.000 They'd have a whole week at the Reagan Library just devoted to that time that Ronald Reagan did no tax on tips.

00:07:07.000 There'd be whole statues.

00:07:08.000 There'd be museum displays.

00:07:09.000 They'd have entire industries built.

00:07:11.000 Off of just telling the story of the time Reagan did no tax on tips.

00:07:15.000 Isn't that right, Charlie?

00:07:16.000 Without a doubt.

00:07:17.000 I mean, that alone is a—it's such a major political accomplishment.

00:07:21.000 The Senate passes a ceremonial hundred to nothing.

00:07:24.000 Everyone agrees on no tax on tips, and no one has delivered it.

00:07:27.000 So, Stephen, our audience wants more deportations.

00:07:30.000 Our audience wants to see the campaign promise and campaign mandate fulfilled.

00:07:36.000 How will this bill allow us to have permanent border security?

00:07:45.000 Yeah, so in terms of the defense and the saving of Western civilization, this bill is a now or never movement.

00:07:54.000 For those who say, well, split it up into a bunch of different bills, you still understand what that would mean.

00:08:00.000 First, you would immediately change it from a 50-vote threshold to a 60-vote threshold.

00:08:04.000 I'm not here to justify or explain Senate rules.

00:08:08.000 I'm here to tell you, And the reality is, under the rules of the Senate, you split it up.

00:08:15.000 Each individual provision that is now included in the big, beautiful bill that passes 50 votes would require a 60-vote threshold, which would mean none of them would be enacted into law, but particularly the immigration provisions.

00:08:27.000 Furthermore, not all members, and I don't want to be too specific here, but not all members of the Republican Party have the same view about all of these issues.

00:08:36.000 By including the immigration language, With the tax cuts, with the welfare reform, it creates a coalition.

00:08:44.000 Politics is all about coalitions.

00:08:46.000 It creates a coalition across the Republican Party to enact this legislation into law, again, which is 50 votes.

00:08:53.000 The three major constraints on deportations are personnel, prisons, and planes.

00:08:59.000 Personnel, prisons, and planes.

00:09:01.000 ICE prisons, also known as ICE beds, ICE attention centers, ICE officers, personnel, planes, deportation planes.

00:09:07.000 So, like the most fundamental level, this bill is the largest ever increase in those three categories.

00:09:14.000 You know, just on the point about ICE officers, as an example.

00:09:18.000 So, ICE was created after 9 /11 to secure immigration system, at least for a very brief and fleeting period of time, though it was never acted upon.

00:09:27.000 There was an understanding that foreign migration was the principal national security threat.

00:09:32.000 Uncontrolled, unvetted, unchecked foreign migration created the conditions for terrorism. 0.53

00:09:38.000 So we created ICE.

00:09:39.000 ICE has received no increase in personnel since its creation.

00:09:44.000 That's remarkable.

00:09:59.000 Yes, more than 20 years ago.

00:10:03.000 Think about it.

00:10:04.000 Every other government agency grows by default.

00:10:07.000 I hope everyone understands this, right?

00:10:08.000 We get more TSA agents.

00:10:10.000 We get more bureaucrats.

00:10:11.000 We get more mid-level managers.

00:10:12.000 We get more Department of Education.

00:10:14.000 We get more DEI officers.

00:10:16.000 We get more diversity czars. 0.64

00:10:18.000 But, Stephen, you're telling me the one part of government that we can all agree not to grow is the one that we need the most.

00:10:26.000 Yes, it's been strangled on purpose for 20-plus years.

00:10:30.000 Yes, and the – so just speaking on a personal level, a big part of my own life's work, and of course it is President Trump's vision, boldness, leadership, and stewardship of the part of this, the point of this being possible, has been to just increase the number of ICE officers.

00:10:45.000 The appropriators have never agreed to do it in a generation, and this bill is the largest increase of any federal agency in a single bill.

00:10:58.000 But this time, not for the bureaucrats, not for the lefties, but for ICE officers.

00:11:02.000 So we're going to clean double the number of ICE deportation officers, but do many other things to expand deportations, giving a larger role for the military, fully funding 287G so that state and local governments can get involved in deportations, fully funding the National Guard immigration mission, and I could go on and on and on.

00:11:19.000 So that alone would be the biggest conservative policy win in our lifetimes, just that provision.

00:11:26.000 You cannot pass that as a standalone.

00:11:29.000 That is not possible as a standalone.

00:11:31.000 So understand, when you hear certain libertarians campaigning against this bill, they're not stupid.

00:11:38.000 There are certain libertarians in the House and Senate who are trying to take down this bill.

00:11:42.000 They're not stupid.

00:11:43.000 They understand.

00:11:44.000 They just don't care.

00:11:45.000 I want to be very clear with you.

00:11:47.000 They don't care.

00:11:48.000 Immigration has never mattered to them.

00:11:50.000 It will never matter to them.

00:11:52.000 Deportations have never mattered to them.

00:11:53.000 It will never matter to them.

00:11:54.000 You will never live a day in your life where a libertarian cares as much about immigration and sovereignty as they do about the Congressional Budget Office.

00:12:03.000 That day will never come.

00:12:05.000 It will never happen.

00:12:06.000 It's up to you.

00:12:07.000 It is up to you listening to my voice today to vindicate President Trump's 10 years of effort and sacrifice.

00:12:15.000 To save the sovereignty of this country.

00:12:18.000 And I'll say one other thing.

00:12:19.000 If conservatives want to be able to govern this country, they have to stop being afraid of winning.

00:12:27.000 History is set by winners.

00:12:30.000 President Trump is a winner.

00:12:32.000 President Trump survived two assassination attempts.

00:12:35.000 President Trump was shot in the head.

00:12:38.000 President Trump survived an effort in multiple jurisdictions to incarcerate him for life.

00:12:44.000 President Trump is a winner.

00:12:45.000 The conservative movement needs to be able to take yes for an answer to accept winning.

00:12:53.000 And then you make a huge, historic, successful victory, and then you go on to the next victory and the next victory and the next victory.

00:13:00.000 Deep, deep, deep down inside, somewhere in the traumatized conservative psyche, amongst some, not all, amongst some, but enough, is an allergy to winning, a great fear of winning.

00:13:11.000 There's a desire deep inside.

00:13:13.000 They would rather sit on a panel complaining about a bill than celebrating a victory.

00:13:20.000 And that instinct is everything that MAGA is allergic to.

00:13:25.000 The MAGA movement, among many other things, is that understanding that to save this country, you have to be able to govern this country.

00:13:33.000 And all of these procedural hurdles that are being thrown in the way, all of these highly technical bureaucratic complaints, which, by the way, are all fictional, all false.

00:13:41.000 You know, fake scores of tax cuts and everything else are all born not from policy disagreement, but from a fear of winning.

00:13:49.000 And that is what we must overcome more than anything else, or we will lose the country.

00:13:53.000 There is so much truth to this.

00:13:55.000 I hope everyone understands.

00:13:56.000 The most important thing that we can do to fulfill the mandate is reestablish our sovereignty.

00:14:01.000 Tax on remittances, $1,000 upfront fee just to apply for asylum.

00:14:06.000 I'm changing the asylum process, fully funding ICE.

00:14:09.000 Isn't it amazing how D.C., they become such fiscal conservatives when it comes to ICE?

00:14:13.000 We're able to grow every other department of the federal government, but ICE has no growth.

00:14:18.000 I wonder why.

00:14:19.000 Because the main core, the life force of the globalist project is open borders.

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00:15:46.000 Okay, so Stephen, Senator Ron Johnson, Senator Rand Paul say we're not going to vote for this because it raises the debt ceiling and it does not cut enough spending.

00:15:56.000 Let me play cut 413.

00:15:57.000 This is Senator Ron Johnson who said this on the show yesterday.

00:16:00.000 Play cut 413.

00:16:01.000 Well, first of all, I know we're not going to meet the moment with one bill.

00:16:04.000 We won't.

00:16:05.000 The House didn't do it.

00:16:07.000 We won't if we quick rush this thing through.

00:16:08.000 So we've got to split this up.

00:16:10.000 Focus on the areas of agreement, border defense.

00:16:13.000 Take the spending reductions the House has given us that they've agreed to.

00:16:17.000 Extend current tax law.

00:16:18.000 Take the automatic tax increase off the table.

00:16:21.000 That was a blunder in the Tax Cutting Jobs Act.

00:16:24.000 We should have scored that in current policy.

00:16:26.000 We weren't smart enough to do that.

00:16:28.000 Increase the debt ceiling for about a year.

00:16:30.000 Keep the pressure on.

00:16:31.000 I've got to convince President Trump that is to his advantage.

00:16:35.000 He wants to balance the budget.

00:16:36.000 That's what he said.

00:16:37.000 Well, we're not even coming close to putting ourselves on a path to balance the budget.

00:16:40.000 He needs that leverage as well.

00:16:42.000 We'll never default on the debt, ever.

00:16:44.000 We've got more than enough revenue to service our debt.

00:16:46.000 We will increase the debt ceiling, but we ought to do it in increments to keep the Okay, Stephen, what is your response here to Senator Ron Johnson?

00:16:54.000 So, on the debt ceiling, the only way to raise the debt ceiling without So as the first point, if you take the debt ceiling out of this bill, the only way to avoid a catastrophic default, which would cause a surge of interest rates and therefore a surge in deficits and a giant debt explosion, would be to make a deal with Chuck Schumer, and that deal would come with Significantly higher taxes,

00:17:24.000 a huge bailout for California, many other terrible policies.

00:17:28.000 So it would be a huge loss for conservatives.

00:17:30.000 Now, the second point that he makes is, why don't we just split this up into a lot of different votes and everything else?

00:17:35.000 If you've been watching, so we've been working on this legislation, far from being rushed, since December, we've been working on this legislation, so it'll be almost a year of effort.

00:17:47.000 If you split up the debt ceiling into smaller tranches, It will shut down the entire legislative project.

00:17:55.000 We will just spend every month and every session till the end of time going through these internal procedural issues.

00:18:05.000 We will inevitably come up short more than once and have to go to Chuck Schumer begging and pleading to bail us out on the debt ceiling.

00:18:12.000 We have the chance now, as Republicans, to raise the debt ceiling together.

00:18:19.000 Without simultaneous concessions.

00:18:21.000 So that's the argument.

00:18:23.000 No concessions.

00:18:23.000 Attached to the strongest set of conservative policy reforms.

00:18:26.000 Otherwise, Chuck Schumer would hold the debt ceiling hostage, and then we have to do all this other stuff we don't want to do.

00:18:32.000 So the other question I have here, Stephen.

00:18:35.000 I think that's smart.

00:18:36.000 Nightmare list.

00:18:37.000 It's very pragmatic.

00:18:38.000 What do you have to say to the contention that this bill does not cut enough spending?

00:18:44.000 That it is not a big enough cut?

00:18:46.000 What is your response to that?

00:18:48.000 So first, facts just off the top.

00:18:51.000 According even to the highly flawed Congressional Budget Office score, the bill cuts $1.6-plus trillion in federal spending, including the largest welfare reform in history, far larger, by the way, than the much-vaunted welfare reform from the Gingrich era in the 90s.

00:19:07.000 So a full welfare reform attached to Medicaid and food stamps.

00:19:11.000 It's the biggest welfare reform in history.

00:19:12.000 And then again, $1.7 trillion, $1.6 or so trillion in spending cuts.

00:19:17.000 Now, with respect to the CBO score, that score solely is referring to the tax cut.

00:19:26.000 So this is – there's been a deliberate bad faith substitution argument that's been made here where you have certain people, some libertarians making bad faith arguments saying, oh, the CBO says it's going to explode the debt.

00:19:39.000 The CBO says it's going to explode the deficit, and then therefore because there's all this pork in the bill.

00:19:44.000 No.

00:19:44.000 There's no pork in the bill.

00:19:46.000 The bill has been public for weeks.

00:19:47.000 Every single provision is just one campaign pledge, one promise, one campaign vow after another.

00:19:52.000 The only new spending in the bill is to secure the homeland of the United States and save American sovereignty, fully paid for, by the way, by increased visa fees on foreigners.

00:20:02.000 But the CBO score is just what they say is the cost of extending the 2017 Trump tax cut.

00:20:08.000 For my entire life, every conservative fiscal voice has understood.

00:20:14.000 That not raising taxes doesn't cost anything.

00:20:17.000 In other words, keeping the current tax rate in place has no cost associated with it.

00:20:21.000 So that is a budget gimmick.

00:20:24.000 The bill cuts spending.

00:20:25.000 Now for people who would say they'd like to add more spending cuts, here's a very important point.

00:20:29.000 There'll be a process in the Senate.

00:20:30.000 We will see what comes out of that process.

00:20:33.000 This bill was never sold to the American people, not in the campaign, not in the transition, as the one great big chance.

00:20:43.000 to permanently solve America's debt problems.

00:20:46.000 That kind of process requires significant public buy-in because you're talking about changing benefit programs that people, rightly or wrongly, rely on and depend upon.

00:20:56.000 It requires significant public education.

00:20:58.000 It requires multiple steps.

00:21:01.000 We would be committing the same error in a different direction as Barack Obama did when he campaigned on dealing with the Wall Street We're good to

00:21:34.000 go.

00:21:35.000 It's a big switch on the American people, a bad faith switch.

00:21:39.000 So yes, this bill will include very significant, very important welfare reforms and deep positive spending cuts.

00:21:48.000 But it is a fundamentally bad faith argument to say the tax cut and border bill is now a health care bill.

00:21:55.000 So the response, though, that some people would say is that why don't you do two reconciliation bills, one in 25?

00:22:04.000 And one in 26. What would your response to that be, Stephen?

00:22:08.000 If we have a big win right now and we have the win that are back, then absolutely, we will do another reconciliation bill and another reconciliation bill.

00:22:16.000 And by the way, not having the debt ceiling on the future reconciliation bill by doing it in this bill will make it far easier to pass the next bill and the next bill and the next bill to keep reforming government, to keep delivering conservative policy wins.

00:22:30.000 I want to make one other point.

00:22:31.000 Remember the first day?

00:22:33.000 First week, the first couple weeks of the Trump presidency, when we did the big, beautiful bill version of executive orders, where every campaign promise that we could do was done, where we ended DEI, we ended CRT, we ended gender madness, we got the transgender troops out of the military, we sealed the border shut, all of those things. 0.58

00:22:53.000 I don't remember anyone, any commentators on the right, saying, "Oh, no, no, no, no, you can't do all your promises." Also, quickly, you've got to titrate it out.

00:23:03.000 Do three promises a year.

00:23:04.000 The reconciliation bill is a chance in one fell swoop without beating Democrat votes, so without a filibuster, to be able to codify the very campaign promises that we have done by executive order.

00:23:19.000 So people keep saying, well, why don't you put the executive orders into law?

00:23:21.000 That's what this bill literally does.

00:23:25.000 And one last point.

00:23:26.000 This bill is not a spending bill.

00:23:29.000 This might shock some in your audience who've been following the commentary online.

00:23:32.000 How much money is this bill appropriate to the Department of Education?

00:23:35.000 Zero dollars.

00:23:36.000 How much is it appropriate to left-wing NGOs?

00:23:38.000 Zero dollars.

00:23:40.000 How much does it give the Department of Labor?

00:23:41.000 Zero dollars.

00:23:42.000 Department of Commerce?

00:23:43.000 Zero dollars.

00:23:45.000 The federal workforce?

00:23:46.000 Zero dollars.

00:23:47.000 It's not a spending bill.

00:23:49.000 It does not fund the government.

00:23:50.000 It has two major fiscal provisions.

00:23:54.000 It expands and makes permanent tax cuts, and it fundamentally reforms welfare.

00:24:00.000 And the most significant policy provision, which pays for itself the visa fees, is sealing the southern border.

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00:25:17.000 Okay, Stephen, response to people say, well, the bond market is a little shaky and wobbly on the bill.

00:25:24.000 And then finally, I want you again to say that this would be one of the greatest legislative accomplishments in the Republican Party history.

00:25:32.000 Any response to Rand Paul's contention the bond market is not responding very favorably here?

00:25:37.000 The number one thing that the bond market needs to see is predictability and certainty in our tax rates.

00:25:44.000 Including, by the way, the 100% expensive provision for new factories, fulfilling the president's manufacturing reshoring pledge, so that we can begin to realize the full potential of massive economic growth, both through job creation and reshoring, which will then increase revenues, create confidence, create certainty, that combined with tariffs.

00:26:05.000 We're already now seeing projections, even with the current rates at $3 trillion in tariff revenue, that will provide the bond market certainty.

00:26:12.000 A giant tax cliff combined with a giant debt cliff is the worst thing for bond markets.

00:26:18.000 As far as, again, how significant and historic this bill is, the 2017 Trump tax cuts were rightly hailed as one of the conservative – one of the conservative women's great victories.

00:26:27.000 How much greater would we say that victory was if it also included full funding for the border?

00:26:35.000 What if it also defunded transgender surgeries nationwide?

00:26:39.000 What if it also had the first ever endowment tax on America's corrupt institutions of higher learning?

00:26:45.000 What if that bill also had no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security?

00:26:49.000 What if that bill also created the strongest framework for energy deregulation in American history?

00:26:55.000 What if that bill also created the first ever In other words, one policy went after another, plus the tax cuts.

00:27:10.000 Nothing like this has ever been done before in the history of the conservative movement.

00:27:14.000 This bill is electric.

00:27:16.000 It is that good.

00:27:18.000 And it saddens me that there have been attempts to misportray it so severely.

00:27:23.000 And that doesn't mean that we can't agree.

00:27:26.000 Yes, let's keep finding ways to reduce the budget deficit.

00:27:28.000 Let's keep finding ways to cut spending.

00:27:30.000 Let's keep finding ways to lower our debt trajectory.

00:27:34.000 But a rational person should be able to say, wow, it is amazing that this bill accomplishes the full tax agenda, the full border agenda, the full immigration agenda, the full energy agenda, large portions of the trans and de-wokifying agenda. 0.85

00:27:51.000 Large portions of the higher ed agenda.

00:27:53.000 Also cancels the Green New Deal.

00:27:55.000 Also cancels the student loan bailout.

00:27:57.000 Also has the largest welfare reform in history.

00:27:59.000 You can acknowledge all of that.

00:28:00.000 And then if you want to be an even greater fiscal hawk, say, but I'd like to cut more.

00:28:05.000 But to pretend this bill includes pork, there's no pork in the bill.

00:28:08.000 It's been public for weeks.

00:28:10.000 And the only provisions you will find in the bill are campaign promises.

00:28:14.000 And Stephen, the other component of this that I think is important, and you mentioned this though.

00:28:18.000 Guys, we have a budget that we have to do later this year that Congress will vote on and another reconciliation bill next year and another budget.

00:28:26.000 And so there are other opportunities to get more spending reforms, to do more rescission.

00:28:32.000 By the way, we're going to have Impoundment Act stuff that's coming up in the Supreme Court.

00:28:36.000 There are another stabs to go after this.

00:28:39.000 But let's also be very clear.

00:28:41.000 All government funding expires in September 30th.

00:28:43.000 Yes.

00:28:43.000 All government funding expires in September 3rd.

00:28:45.000 By the way, as proof, After we pass this bill, guess what still happens?

00:28:53.000 Funding for the federal bureaucracy goes to zero on September 30th.

00:28:57.000 Again, that would probably surprise some of your listeners who've been following the online commentary.

00:29:01.000 They say, wait, how's that possible?

00:29:02.000 I heard it was a spending bill.

00:29:03.000 How's funding going to run out in September?

00:29:05.000 Because it's not a spending bill.

00:29:07.000 And the people who told you it was a spending bill lied to you.

00:29:10.000 And the question you should be asking yourself – But being addicted to a losing cycle is what will relegate the conservative movement to a future of failure.

00:29:29.000 And that's the cycle we have to break.

00:29:31.000 Okay, final question here, Stephen.

00:29:34.000 Some people on the Internet are clamoring about this artificial intelligence amendment to it or some sort of saying that local and state governments cannot regulate AI.

00:29:43.000 What is the truth or the fix?

00:29:45.000 here regarding this.

00:29:47.000 This is receiving a lot of attention.

00:29:49.000 Yeah, so this is something that David Sachs has talked a lot about.

00:29:52.000 Now, I wouldn't I wouldn't claim that this this.

00:29:58.000 But it's an example of another conservative policy win.

00:30:01.000 So one of the biggest problems that we have as a nation is that California, because of its size, can set the rules for the entire country because companies have to do business there.

00:30:09.000 So they set a fuel emission standard that all the car companies have to abide by that standard.

00:30:13.000 That's exactly right.

00:30:14.000 They say they're not going to allow energy infrastructure.

00:30:16.000 then no one in the country can get energy shipped from our coast through California so they basically bully dominate and intimidate freedom for the rest of the country this provision presents California from setting an AI standard that will then be the standard for every other state in the country so if California mandates DEI affirmative action racial

00:30:43.000 I have not heard anyone make that argument, and that's exactly right, because almost all these AI companies are headquartered in California, so they could pseudo-nationalize the entire country if Gavin Newsom all of a sudden says, actually, no, in your large language models, you have to say that men can become pregnant.

00:30:57.000 You have to be able to say that white people are terrible.

00:31:00.000 Yes, they will be able to effectively nationalize AI policy for the entire nation through San Francisco.

00:31:07.000 That's why this language was included.

00:31:08.000 Again, people can say it's not essential to the framework of this bill, but it's another example of a conservative policy win inside the bill.

00:31:15.000 Are you optimistic this is going to pass?

00:31:17.000 I am optimistic, very optimistic, because fundamentally, I have faith in the power of the Trump voter.

00:31:26.000 Yes.

00:31:26.000 More than anything else, I have faith in the power of the Trump voter.

00:31:29.000 The people who waited in line, the people whose hearts fell to their stomachs in Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:31:35.000 And then left with joy when he stood up and raised his fist.

00:31:38.000 The people who've been going through rain, sleet, and snow for 10 years.

00:31:41.000 The people who endured alongside President Trump every prosecution, every hoax, every witch hunt.

00:31:49.000 At this moment of culmination, of victory for the movement, I have faith in them to demand their members stand with President Trump.

00:31:59.000 The man who has led this movement to one hardship after another.

00:32:05.000 For 10 years to bring us to the precipice of this victory.

00:32:09.000 Stephen, thank you so much.

00:32:10.000 We have your back 100%.

00:32:11.000 I think you made a phenomenal case for why we need to get this bill done.

00:32:15.000 It is more than 80% of the pie.

00:32:18.000 And we're going to balance this budget in subsequent reconciliations and budget.

00:32:22.000 It still cuts over $1.6 trillion.

00:32:25.000 And Stephen, you made a great case.

00:32:27.000 Credit to you.

00:32:28.000 Thank you for the time.

00:32:28.000 Thank you for being generous.

00:32:29.000 We're going to clip this and send it everywhere.

00:32:31.000 And anybody, before you make up your mind on the Big Beautiful Bill, listen to this whole conversation.

00:32:35.000 Stephen, thank you so much.

00:32:36.000 Thank you.

00:32:37.000 Blake made a great point in our chat.

00:32:39.000 I think this is so great.

00:32:40.000 There's so much good stuff in the Big Beautiful Bill.

00:32:43.000 It's just simultaneously so upsetting that we're in such a bind because we're broke due to blowing money eternally on stupid stuff the last 40 years.

00:32:52.000 It's a great point.

00:32:54.000 And so it just kind of puts us in this bind.

00:32:56.000 But there is so much good stuff here, everybody, that will liberate the American economy, that will grow, that will drill baby drill and no tax on tips and tax on remittances and deportation agenda and build the wall.

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00:34:00.000 Joining us now is Senator Jim Banks, phenomenal senator from the state of Indiana.

00:34:06.000 Senator, thank you for taking the time today.

00:34:08.000 Look, we're all focused on the big, beautiful bill.

00:34:10.000 Elon Musk is saying some pretty harsh things about it, but there's things in the bill that we've been talking about that are so important for the MAGA agenda.

00:34:18.000 What is your response to Elon Musk, and is he having any impact on your colleagues?

00:34:23.000 Please, Senator.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, Charlotte, we've got to pass this bill.

00:34:26.000 If we don't pass it, $3,000 on average that every family will be taxed if we don't extend the Trump tax cuts on working class families, the individual rates.

00:34:43.000 The small business rates from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.

00:34:49.000 That's what this is all about.

00:34:51.000 And then funding the mass deportation effort, securing the border, modernizing our military so that we can keep up with the China threat. 0.98

00:34:59.000 This really is the big, beautiful bill because it pushes the Trump agenda that the American people voted for.

00:35:07.000 That's exactly what we promised on the campaign trail, and it's what we're going to deliver with the bill.

00:35:12.000 I understand.

00:35:13.000 Some of the- The complaints about the bill, a $37 trillion national debt, we have to address it.

00:35:20.000 President Trump is serious about balancing the budget, but this isn't where you do that.

00:35:25.000 You do that in the spending fights, the appropriations fights that come later in the summer.

00:35:31.000 The big, beautiful bill is about keeping taxes low for the working-class voters of America that elected Donald Trump.

00:35:38.000 That's why we have to pass this bill ASAP.

00:35:41.000 Let's talk more about the priorities here, including the Golden Dome.

00:35:44.000 Why does America need a Golden Dome?

00:35:46.000 And will that include defenses against a potential drone invasion by the Chinese Communist Party?

00:35:52.000 We're seeing sophisticated drone technology and weaponry be used, for example, of Will the Golden Dome fortify our defenses against a potential drone incursion against the United States?

00:36:07.000 Yeah, the Golden Dome will do that in a big way.

00:36:10.000 I mean, you think about the Iron Dome and what it does to protect Israel.

00:36:13.000 The Golden Dome is America's version.

00:36:16.000 And President Trump, really the first time since Reagan talked about this in the 80s, President Trump is delivering on it with the Golden Dome.

00:36:25.000 Indiana is going to play a big role in it.

00:36:27.000 We're going to help build it at companies in Indiana and at a Navy base in southern Indiana called Crane Navy Base is going to play a big role in it.

00:36:35.000 But what it will do to make.

00:36:48.000 That's really significant because it's a deterrent.

00:36:51.000 It pushes them back and it takes some of their loud talk and some of their demands off the table when we know that we can defend against anything that they put up in the air after us.

00:37:02.000 So it's really significant.

00:37:04.000 It'll keep America safe and secure for a long time to come.

00:37:07.000 And it delivers on another one of President Trump's campaign promises, I'm proud to support it and the big beautiful bill.

00:37:15.000 Funds it.

00:37:16.000 It puts a major down payment on the Golden Dome, the first to start building it, to get it going.

00:37:23.000 And it's a significant reason, another significant reason why we got to pass this bill as soon as we can to extend the tax cuts on working class families, to fund the mass deportation effort, to get these criminal, illegal immigrants out of this country like the terrorist in Boulder, Colorado last weekend should have been deported, but he overstayed his visa.

00:37:49.000 the big, beautiful bill will fund the deportation effort of terrorists and criminals just like that one.

00:37:55.000 So there's so much about this bill that the good far outweighs the bad.

00:38:00.000 And that's why we have to pass it, send it to President Trump to sign it and then move on.

00:38:05.000 I mean, Charlie, this is a big part about this is the first reconciliation.

00:38:17.000 And then we can do the next one that can focus more on cutting spending and cutting a lot of the bad things that the Biden administration did to this country.

00:38:25.000 Let's move on quickly to the next one.

00:38:27.000 And this still does cut spending.

00:38:29.000 It doesn't cut what all of us would want as enough.

00:38:32.000 The bond market is still a little shaky, but it still does cut spending.

00:38:35.000 That's very important.

00:38:36.000 So people don't know that Medicaid is really perverse in its incentive structures.

00:38:43.000 We want to be able to say, if you are able-bodied, get off the couch.

00:38:47.000 I assume the Senate is looking very closely at the Medicaid component in particular.

00:38:53.000 What are your thoughts?

00:38:54.000 Yeah, I think this is good policy, and it's really good politics.

00:38:59.000 I mean, you think about all of the estimates are that somewhere between 5 and 6 million Americans.

00:39:05.000 WHO ARE ABLE-BODIED, WHO AREN'T TAKING CARE OF A SICK KID OR A SICK MOM, BUT ARE SITTING AT HOME, NOT WORKING AND STILL GETTING MEDICAID. 0.54

00:39:23.000 It gives them more worth and more satisfaction.

00:39:27.000 It gives them a better life and a better lifestyle.

00:39:30.000 So this is really good for America. 0.74

00:39:32.000 And then another million and a half illegals who are on Medicaid who shouldn't receive Medicaid. 0.69

00:39:38.000 Charlie, I think about my dad all the time.

00:39:40.000 He's a retired...

00:39:43.000 And he can't believe it.

00:39:45.000 He can't believe it when I tell him that there are 5 million Americans who are sitting at home Who don't go to work, but they can work.

00:39:52.000 My dad went and worked in a factory all of his work in life and made axles.

00:39:57.000 And then there are people who are sitting at home and they get a free paycheck.

00:40:01.000 So there's something gross about that.

00:40:04.000 There's something completely unfair about it.

00:40:07.000 And work requirements on Medicaid is a big way to fix it.

00:40:11.000 And it turns out it saves hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:40:15.000 I think $700 billion it will save.

00:40:21.000 There are so many other elements here.

00:40:26.000 10,000 new ICE agents, eliminates the Medicaid for illegal aliens, mandates voter ID for federal elections, stop Chinese ownership of U.S. land, revives the Keystone XL pipeline, tax breaks for adoption in large families. 0.75

00:40:40.000 The deeper we go into this bill, the more good that we realize.

00:40:45.000 Also, my understanding is that there's some opportunities in this bill to stop corporations from getting subsidies for taxes they didn't pay, basically bleeding U.S. taxpayers to help foreign companies.

00:40:55.000 I mean, apparently there's some loophole where foreign companies are getting refunds from the federal government by using some sort of import-export scheme.

00:41:03.000 Senator, can you explain this?

00:41:06.000 Yeah, it's so absurd you can't explain it.

00:41:08.000 I mean, when President Trump talks about It means closing loopholes that subsidize foreign countries and jobs in foreign countries to the detriment of jobs in America.

00:41:20.000 So this really is an America first bill.

00:41:24.000 It's the one big, beautiful bill that President Trump promised on the campaign trail.

00:41:28.000 You listed so many good things about it.

00:41:31.000 But at the end of the day, Charlie, I mean, I can't...

00:41:34.000 To those on my side of the aisle, those Republicans, those critics of this bill, Do you really want working class families, the mechanics, factory workers, teachers, police officers, the men and women who go to work every day, you want to stick them with an extra $3,000 in taxes when they have such a hard time already making ends meet today?

00:41:59.000 Do you really want And that's why we have to pass this bill as fast as we can to Senate to the president.

00:42:21.000 It gets our economy going.

00:42:23.000 We need to pass the big, beautiful bill, period.

00:42:25.000 And just to add more contextualization there.

00:42:28.000 Because this was in my show notes sent to me by somebody.

00:42:30.000 They said apparently there was some foreign loophole where I guess cigarette companies are able to get refunds from the federal government.

00:42:39.000 It ends all that.

00:42:40.000 It puts American companies first.

00:42:41.000 Just one of many, many accomplishments and victories.

00:42:45.000 No tax on tips.

00:42:46.000 American companies first.

00:42:47.000 ICE agents, you name it.

00:42:49.000 Senator, 30 seconds.

00:42:51.000 Are you optimistic your colleagues are going to step up to the plate and pass the big, beautiful bill?

00:42:55.000 We have to.

00:42:56.000 We have to pass this bill.

00:42:58.000 I mean, it's so important to the men and women who gave President Trump a historic election victory, a historic mandate, the popular vote.

00:43:09.000 The working-class voters who are Republican now because of Donald Trump, they're counting on us to pass this bill to make sure that the biggest tax increase in American history doesn't occur on our watch and out of their pocketbooks.

00:43:22.000 Senator, thank you so much.

00:43:23.000 Get your senators across the line.

00:43:25.000 We must pass the big, beautiful bill.

00:43:26.000 Thank you so much.

00:43:27.000 Thank you.

00:43:29.000 13 years ago, I was in a car driving to Rockford, Illinois, and this journey started.

00:43:37.000 It was June 5th, 2012.

00:43:41.000 I was wrestling on kind of what we're going to call this organization, and my dad came up with a list of names, and all of a sudden he said, turning point.

00:43:48.000 I said, that's the one.

00:43:50.000 Spoke at a Tea Party rally out in Rockford, and the journey started.

00:43:54.000 No money, no connections, and no idea what I was doing.

00:43:58.000 Started to barnstorm Illinois and in the Midwest, speaking at every possible Tea Party rally I could.

00:44:03.000 That was the garage that we literally started.

00:44:07.000 In Lamont, Illinois, I had burning desire.

00:44:09.000 Looking back at it, I wanted to grow this thing more than anything imaginable.

00:44:15.000 I poured every part of my being into this.

00:44:19.000 As Napoleon Hill would say, conceive, believe, work, achieve.

00:44:23.000 CBWA was the daily mantra that I would have.

00:44:27.000 Nobody believed in us.

00:44:28.000 We were considered, and not just being an outsider, it is incomprehensible odds that we are up against.

00:44:33.000 Show some of these pictures in the chat, guys.

00:44:36.000 And Bill Montgomery, may he rest in peace, great man and great mentor, was one of the few people, that was a picture of Bill and I, I think I got a lot of pictures with Bill, unfortunately, at the Republican National Convention in 2012, where I basically had to smuggle myself in to that convention.

00:44:55.000 That's where I met the great Foster Fries, and may he also rest in peace, where I gave him the first stairwell pitch.

00:45:01.000 I said, Will you give us some money?

00:45:04.000 And he told me his name in a very comical way, and he ended up writing us a $10,000 check, which might as well have been $100 million at the time.

00:45:12.000 That was the startup funding to allow us to get a website.

00:45:17.000 And for 10 years straight, I made a promise to myself, and I kept that promise, that I might not be the smartest, I might not have the best college education, or any at all, but I will outwork you.

00:45:32.000 You see, when I first entered the political space, I had a misconception.

00:45:37.000 I thought everybody worked hard.

00:45:39.000 I thought in the world everybody had a burning desire to succeed.

00:45:42.000 I thought that was largely universal.

00:45:44.000 Of course, that was my youthful naivete.

00:45:47.000 Little did I realize that most people are just kind of meandering through life.

00:45:51.000 As Thoreau would say, the mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.

00:45:56.000 So I realized that not everyone wanted to take red-eye flights.

00:45:59.000 Not everyone wanted to do Fox News hits on Thanksgiving.

00:46:01.000 And not everyone wanted to do Friday night radio hits.

00:46:04.000 Not everyone wanted to wake up, as I did, over a hundred times at 3 a.m. or 4 a.m. to go do Fox and Friends first.

00:46:13.000 People thought I was nuts, but I said, I'm going to outwork you.

00:46:15.000 We've got to make this thing happen.

00:46:16.000 We've got to save the Republic.

00:46:17.000 We've got to save Western civilization.

00:46:19.000 And the movement grew and our team increased.

00:46:25.000 And oh my goodness, the first trial that we had were other conservative organizations and libertarian organizations trying to attack us.

00:46:33.000 Because we were the new kids on the block.

00:46:34.000 Who were we?

00:46:35.000 What were we trying to do?

00:46:37.000 The asymmetric warfare from many organizations that are just, you know, they pale in comparison now.

00:46:42.000 Trying to sabotage us.

00:46:43.000 We're going to take Charlie Kirk out.

00:46:45.000 It wasn't the left.

00:46:46.000 It wasn't the media.

00:46:47.000 It was other conservatives that tried to take us out.

00:46:50.000 But boy, did we persevere.

00:46:52.000 We kept our head down and we kept on working with grittiness and with fortitude.

00:46:56.000 That was one of our first events ever at University of Wisconsin-Madison.

00:46:59.000 Three members, three people attended our event.

00:47:02.000 It was three more than I ever would have expected.

00:47:04.000 And I would travel the Midwest in my Volkswagen.

00:47:06.000 If I could speak to ten people, I would do it.

00:47:08.000 If I could speak to five people, I would do it.

00:47:10.000 Everywhere imaginable, I would be just trying to get the message of Turning Point USA out.

00:47:15.000 And now 13 years later, hundreds of thousands of student members, thousands of high school and college chapters.

00:47:21.000 We have TPUSA Faith.

00:47:22.000 We have Turning Point Action.

00:47:23.000 We're chasing ballots.

00:47:24.000 We have billions of views online.

00:47:26.000 We have 400,000 donors to Turning Point USA.

00:47:32.000 This relationship with the President of the United States played a role in this massive movement.

00:47:36.000 And let's be honest, without President Trump, our increase would never have been possible.

00:47:40.000 We would have been big.

00:47:41.000 We would not be where we are today.

00:47:42.000 And Don Jr. deserves credit.

00:47:44.000 And J.D. Vance deserves credit.

00:47:46.000 And President Trump.

00:47:47.000 And now here we are today.

00:47:48.000 We are the biggest conservative organization, period.

00:47:52.000 Not just Young, but the biggest conservative organization.

00:47:55.000 And no one really comes even close.

00:47:57.000 The media has trouble even saying that.

00:47:59.000 They think we're just a youth organization.

00:48:01.000 We're actually much bigger.

00:48:02.000 And I say that with a great deal of heaviness and humility and weight because with great privilege comes phenomenal responsibility.

00:48:12.000 Now we are 13 years old.

00:48:14.000 We are a teenager defying all the odds and only made possible.

00:48:19.000 Thanks.

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