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00:02:35.000He is talking about more deportations.
00:02:37.000He is going through the entire list of what did we campaign on, what did we promise, and are we delivering it?
00:02:43.000And you deserve a ton of credit there.
00:02:45.000Stephen, we have some time, and I want to build momentum behind this big, beautiful bill, because I think some people are losing the profundity and the significance.
00:02:56.000of what this bill will actually accomplish.
00:02:59.000What is, in your opinion, the legislative history, the historical significance behind this bill, and what does it mean for the conservative project more broadly?
00:03:27.000I went to war with my administration and teachers at Santa Monica Public High School over radical left-wing indoctrination.
00:03:35.000Carried on the fight at Duke University.
00:03:39.000Fought relentlessly to defend the innocence of the Duke lacrosse players.
00:03:42.000My first boss on Capitol Hill was Michelle Bachman, Minnesota.
00:03:46.000We were Tea Party before there was a Tea Party.
00:03:50.000I spent my entire adult life in this movement.
00:03:54.000In the summer of 2015, I started working for President Trump, recognizing instantly that this was the man who was going to finally be able to create a winning formula for populist, nationalist, conservative governance, that he was going to be our antidote to the corruption, to the failures, to the sinister machinations of our failed elites.
00:04:24.000And the ruling class, which is why they spent 10 years trying to destroy him.
00:04:33.000And if I was older, it would be – I would say I'd been waiting for 100 years because there's never been a bill like this bill since there has been a conservative movement.
00:04:44.000This represents the culmination in the case of the MAGA movement of 10 years of hard work.
00:04:50.000This bill would have been unthinkable.
00:04:52.000In 2017, in the Paul Ryan era, in this bill is the codification of President Trump's most important campaign promises.
00:05:02.000It is done through a process known as reconciliation, which allows us to enact them into law with 50 votes, not 60. No Democrats are involved.
00:05:24.000It's written out of the policy-making committees by the Republican members there.
00:05:30.000So, for example, as has been much discussed, it fully funds the deportation agenda.
00:05:36.000It fully funds massive expansion to the number of ICE deportation officers, ICE beds, ICE deportation flights, and the complete physical, permanent physical ceiling of the entire southwest border.
00:05:50.000All of that money, all of that funding is provided up front.
00:05:55.000In other words, going back to 2017, when Paul Ryan didn't give us the money for the immigration project, for 10 years, we thought, given the chance to do it again, we would put all of the immigration money in the first bill out of the chute up front.
00:07:17.000I mean, that alone is a—it's such a major political accomplishment.
00:07:21.000The Senate passes a ceremonial hundred to nothing.
00:07:24.000Everyone agrees on no tax on tips, and no one has delivered it.
00:07:27.000So, Stephen, our audience wants more deportations.
00:07:30.000Our audience wants to see the campaign promise and campaign mandate fulfilled.
00:07:36.000How will this bill allow us to have permanent border security?
00:07:45.000Yeah, so in terms of the defense and the saving of Western civilization, this bill is a now or never movement.
00:07:54.000For those who say, well, split it up into a bunch of different bills, you still understand what that would mean.
00:08:00.000First, you would immediately change it from a 50-vote threshold to a 60-vote threshold.
00:08:04.000I'm not here to justify or explain Senate rules.
00:08:08.000I'm here to tell you, And the reality is, under the rules of the Senate, you split it up.
00:08:15.000Each individual provision that is now included in the big, beautiful bill that passes 50 votes would require a 60-vote threshold, which would mean none of them would be enacted into law, but particularly the immigration provisions.
00:08:27.000Furthermore, not all members, and I don't want to be too specific here, but not all members of the Republican Party have the same view about all of these issues.
00:08:36.000By including the immigration language, With the tax cuts, with the welfare reform, it creates a coalition.
00:09:01.000ICE prisons, also known as ICE beds, ICE attention centers, ICE officers, personnel, planes, deportation planes.
00:09:07.000So, like the most fundamental level, this bill is the largest ever increase in those three categories.
00:09:14.000You know, just on the point about ICE officers, as an example.
00:09:18.000So, ICE was created after 9 /11 to secure immigration system, at least for a very brief and fleeting period of time, though it was never acted upon.
00:09:27.000There was an understanding that foreign migration was the principal national security threat.
00:09:32.000Uncontrolled, unvetted, unchecked foreign migration created the conditions for terrorism.
00:10:18.000But, Stephen, you're telling me the one part of government that we can all agree not to grow is the one that we need the most.
00:10:26.000Yes, it's been strangled on purpose for 20-plus years.
00:10:30.000Yes, and the – so just speaking on a personal level, a big part of my own life's work, and of course it is President Trump's vision, boldness, leadership, and stewardship of the part of this, the point of this being possible, has been to just increase the number of ICE officers.
00:10:45.000The appropriators have never agreed to do it in a generation, and this bill is the largest increase of any federal agency in a single bill.
00:10:58.000But this time, not for the bureaucrats, not for the lefties, but for ICE officers.
00:11:02.000So we're going to clean double the number of ICE deportation officers, but do many other things to expand deportations, giving a larger role for the military, fully funding 287G so that state and local governments can get involved in deportations, fully funding the National Guard immigration mission, and I could go on and on and on.
00:11:19.000So that alone would be the biggest conservative policy win in our lifetimes, just that provision.
00:11:54.000You will never live a day in your life where a libertarian cares as much about immigration and sovereignty as they do about the Congressional Budget Office.
00:12:45.000The conservative movement needs to be able to take yes for an answer to accept winning.
00:12:53.000And then you make a huge, historic, successful victory, and then you go on to the next victory and the next victory and the next victory.
00:13:00.000Deep, deep, deep down inside, somewhere in the traumatized conservative psyche, amongst some, not all, amongst some, but enough, is an allergy to winning, a great fear of winning.
00:13:13.000They would rather sit on a panel complaining about a bill than celebrating a victory.
00:13:20.000And that instinct is everything that MAGA is allergic to.
00:13:25.000The MAGA movement, among many other things, is that understanding that to save this country, you have to be able to govern this country.
00:13:33.000And all of these procedural hurdles that are being thrown in the way, all of these highly technical bureaucratic complaints, which, by the way, are all fictional, all false.
00:13:41.000You know, fake scores of tax cuts and everything else are all born not from policy disagreement, but from a fear of winning.
00:13:49.000And that is what we must overcome more than anything else, or we will lose the country.
00:15:46.000Okay, so Stephen, Senator Ron Johnson, Senator Rand Paul say we're not going to vote for this because it raises the debt ceiling and it does not cut enough spending.
00:16:42.000We'll never default on the debt, ever.
00:16:44.000We've got more than enough revenue to service our debt.
00:16:46.000We will increase the debt ceiling, but we ought to do it in increments to keep the Okay, Stephen, what is your response here to Senator Ron Johnson?
00:16:54.000So, on the debt ceiling, the only way to raise the debt ceiling without So as the first point, if you take the debt ceiling out of this bill, the only way to avoid a catastrophic default, which would cause a surge of interest rates and therefore a surge in deficits and a giant debt explosion, would be to make a deal with Chuck Schumer, and that deal would come with Significantly higher taxes,
00:17:24.000a huge bailout for California, many other terrible policies.
00:17:28.000So it would be a huge loss for conservatives.
00:17:30.000Now, the second point that he makes is, why don't we just split this up into a lot of different votes and everything else?
00:17:35.000If you've been watching, so we've been working on this legislation, far from being rushed, since December, we've been working on this legislation, so it'll be almost a year of effort.
00:17:47.000If you split up the debt ceiling into smaller tranches, It will shut down the entire legislative project.
00:17:55.000We will just spend every month and every session till the end of time going through these internal procedural issues.
00:18:05.000We will inevitably come up short more than once and have to go to Chuck Schumer begging and pleading to bail us out on the debt ceiling.
00:18:12.000We have the chance now, as Republicans, to raise the debt ceiling together.
00:18:51.000According even to the highly flawed Congressional Budget Office score, the bill cuts $1.6-plus trillion in federal spending, including the largest welfare reform in history, far larger, by the way, than the much-vaunted welfare reform from the Gingrich era in the 90s.
00:19:07.000So a full welfare reform attached to Medicaid and food stamps.
00:19:11.000It's the biggest welfare reform in history.
00:19:12.000And then again, $1.7 trillion, $1.6 or so trillion in spending cuts.
00:19:17.000Now, with respect to the CBO score, that score solely is referring to the tax cut.
00:19:26.000So this is – there's been a deliberate bad faith substitution argument that's been made here where you have certain people, some libertarians making bad faith arguments saying, oh, the CBO says it's going to explode the debt.
00:19:39.000The CBO says it's going to explode the deficit, and then therefore because there's all this pork in the bill.
00:19:47.000Every single provision is just one campaign pledge, one promise, one campaign vow after another.
00:19:52.000The only new spending in the bill is to secure the homeland of the United States and save American sovereignty, fully paid for, by the way, by increased visa fees on foreigners.
00:20:02.000But the CBO score is just what they say is the cost of extending the 2017 Trump tax cut.
00:20:08.000For my entire life, every conservative fiscal voice has understood.
00:20:14.000That not raising taxes doesn't cost anything.
00:20:17.000In other words, keeping the current tax rate in place has no cost associated with it.
00:20:46.000That kind of process requires significant public buy-in because you're talking about changing benefit programs that people, rightly or wrongly, rely on and depend upon.
00:20:56.000It requires significant public education.
00:21:01.000We would be committing the same error in a different direction as Barack Obama did when he campaigned on dealing with the Wall Street We're good to
00:21:35.000It's a big switch on the American people, a bad faith switch.
00:21:39.000So yes, this bill will include very significant, very important welfare reforms and deep positive spending cuts.
00:21:48.000But it is a fundamentally bad faith argument to say the tax cut and border bill is now a health care bill.
00:21:55.000So the response, though, that some people would say is that why don't you do two reconciliation bills, one in 25?
00:22:04.000And one in 26. What would your response to that be, Stephen?
00:22:08.000If we have a big win right now and we have the win that are back, then absolutely, we will do another reconciliation bill and another reconciliation bill.
00:22:16.000And by the way, not having the debt ceiling on the future reconciliation bill by doing it in this bill will make it far easier to pass the next bill and the next bill and the next bill to keep reforming government, to keep delivering conservative policy wins.
00:22:33.000First week, the first couple weeks of the Trump presidency, when we did the big, beautiful bill version of executive orders, where every campaign promise that we could do was done, where we ended DEI, we ended CRT, we ended gender madness, we got the transgender troops out of the military, we sealed the border shut, all of those things.
00:22:53.000I don't remember anyone, any commentators on the right, saying, "Oh, no, no, no, no, you can't do all your promises." Also, quickly, you've got to titrate it out.
00:23:04.000The reconciliation bill is a chance in one fell swoop without beating Democrat votes, so without a filibuster, to be able to codify the very campaign promises that we have done by executive order.
00:23:19.000So people keep saying, well, why don't you put the executive orders into law?
00:23:54.000It expands and makes permanent tax cuts, and it fundamentally reforms welfare.
00:24:00.000And the most significant policy provision, which pays for itself the visa fees, is sealing the southern border.
00:24:08.000Do you ever notice how the power always seems to go out right when you need it most, whether it's a heat wave, a summer storm, a tornado, or maybe just too many people running the AC at once?
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00:25:17.000Okay, Stephen, response to people say, well, the bond market is a little shaky and wobbly on the bill.
00:25:24.000And then finally, I want you again to say that this would be one of the greatest legislative accomplishments in the Republican Party history.
00:25:32.000Any response to Rand Paul's contention the bond market is not responding very favorably here?
00:25:37.000The number one thing that the bond market needs to see is predictability and certainty in our tax rates.
00:25:44.000Including, by the way, the 100% expensive provision for new factories, fulfilling the president's manufacturing reshoring pledge, so that we can begin to realize the full potential of massive economic growth, both through job creation and reshoring, which will then increase revenues, create confidence, create certainty, that combined with tariffs.
00:26:05.000We're already now seeing projections, even with the current rates at $3 trillion in tariff revenue, that will provide the bond market certainty.
00:26:12.000A giant tax cliff combined with a giant debt cliff is the worst thing for bond markets.
00:26:18.000As far as, again, how significant and historic this bill is, the 2017 Trump tax cuts were rightly hailed as one of the conservative – one of the conservative women's great victories.
00:26:27.000How much greater would we say that victory was if it also included full funding for the border?
00:26:35.000What if it also defunded transgender surgeries nationwide?
00:26:39.000What if it also had the first ever endowment tax on America's corrupt institutions of higher learning?
00:26:45.000What if that bill also had no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security?
00:26:49.000What if that bill also created the strongest framework for energy deregulation in American history?
00:26:55.000What if that bill also created the first ever In other words, one policy went after another, plus the tax cuts.
00:27:10.000Nothing like this has ever been done before in the history of the conservative movement.
00:27:18.000And it saddens me that there have been attempts to misportray it so severely.
00:27:23.000And that doesn't mean that we can't agree.
00:27:26.000Yes, let's keep finding ways to reduce the budget deficit.
00:27:28.000Let's keep finding ways to cut spending.
00:27:30.000Let's keep finding ways to lower our debt trajectory.
00:27:34.000But a rational person should be able to say, wow, it is amazing that this bill accomplishes the full tax agenda, the full border agenda, the full immigration agenda, the full energy agenda, large portions of the trans and de-wokifying agenda.
00:27:51.000Large portions of the higher ed agenda.
00:28:10.000And the only provisions you will find in the bill are campaign promises.
00:28:14.000And Stephen, the other component of this that I think is important, and you mentioned this though.
00:28:18.000Guys, we have a budget that we have to do later this year that Congress will vote on and another reconciliation bill next year and another budget.
00:28:26.000And so there are other opportunities to get more spending reforms, to do more rescission.
00:28:32.000By the way, we're going to have Impoundment Act stuff that's coming up in the Supreme Court.
00:28:36.000There are another stabs to go after this.
00:29:07.000And the people who told you it was a spending bill lied to you.
00:29:10.000And the question you should be asking yourself – But being addicted to a losing cycle is what will relegate the conservative movement to a future of failure.
00:29:29.000And that's the cycle we have to break.
00:29:34.000Some people on the Internet are clamoring about this artificial intelligence amendment to it or some sort of saying that local and state governments cannot regulate AI.
00:29:49.000Yeah, so this is something that David Sachs has talked a lot about.
00:29:52.000Now, I wouldn't I wouldn't claim that this this.
00:29:58.000But it's an example of another conservative policy win.
00:30:01.000So one of the biggest problems that we have as a nation is that California, because of its size, can set the rules for the entire country because companies have to do business there.
00:30:09.000So they set a fuel emission standard that all the car companies have to abide by that standard.
00:30:14.000They say they're not going to allow energy infrastructure.
00:30:16.000then no one in the country can get energy shipped from our coast through California so they basically bully dominate and intimidate freedom for the rest of the country this provision presents California from setting an AI standard that will then be the standard for every other state in the country so if California mandates DEI affirmative action racial
00:30:43.000I have not heard anyone make that argument, and that's exactly right, because almost all these AI companies are headquartered in California, so they could pseudo-nationalize the entire country if Gavin Newsom all of a sudden says, actually, no, in your large language models, you have to say that men can become pregnant.
00:30:57.000You have to be able to say that white people are terrible.
00:31:00.000Yes, they will be able to effectively nationalize AI policy for the entire nation through San Francisco.
00:31:07.000That's why this language was included.
00:31:08.000Again, people can say it's not essential to the framework of this bill, but it's another example of a conservative policy win inside the bill.
00:31:15.000Are you optimistic this is going to pass?
00:31:17.000I am optimistic, very optimistic, because fundamentally, I have faith in the power of the Trump voter.
00:32:40.000There's so much good stuff in the Big Beautiful Bill.
00:32:43.000It's just simultaneously so upsetting that we're in such a bind because we're broke due to blowing money eternally on stupid stuff the last 40 years.
00:32:54.000And so it just kind of puts us in this bind.
00:32:56.000But there is so much good stuff here, everybody, that will liberate the American economy, that will grow, that will drill baby drill and no tax on tips and tax on remittances and deportation agenda and build the wall.
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00:34:00.000Joining us now is Senator Jim Banks, phenomenal senator from the state of Indiana.
00:34:06.000Senator, thank you for taking the time today.
00:34:08.000Look, we're all focused on the big, beautiful bill.
00:34:10.000Elon Musk is saying some pretty harsh things about it, but there's things in the bill that we've been talking about that are so important for the MAGA agenda.
00:34:18.000What is your response to Elon Musk, and is he having any impact on your colleagues?
00:34:24.000Yeah, Charlotte, we've got to pass this bill.
00:34:26.000If we don't pass it, $3,000 on average that every family will be taxed if we don't extend the Trump tax cuts on working class families, the individual rates.
00:34:43.000The small business rates from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.
00:35:46.000And will that include defenses against a potential drone invasion by the Chinese Communist Party?
00:35:52.000We're seeing sophisticated drone technology and weaponry be used, for example, of Will the Golden Dome fortify our defenses against a potential drone incursion against the United States?
00:36:07.000Yeah, the Golden Dome will do that in a big way.
00:36:10.000I mean, you think about the Iron Dome and what it does to protect Israel.
00:36:16.000And President Trump, really the first time since Reagan talked about this in the 80s, President Trump is delivering on it with the Golden Dome.
00:36:25.000Indiana is going to play a big role in it.
00:36:27.000We're going to help build it at companies in Indiana and at a Navy base in southern Indiana called Crane Navy Base is going to play a big role in it.
00:36:48.000That's really significant because it's a deterrent.
00:36:51.000It pushes them back and it takes some of their loud talk and some of their demands off the table when we know that we can defend against anything that they put up in the air after us.
00:37:16.000It puts a major down payment on the Golden Dome, the first to start building it, to get it going.
00:37:23.000And it's a significant reason, another significant reason why we got to pass this bill as soon as we can to extend the tax cuts on working class families, to fund the mass deportation effort, to get these criminal, illegal immigrants out of this country like the terrorist in Boulder, Colorado last weekend should have been deported, but he overstayed his visa.
00:37:49.000the big, beautiful bill will fund the deportation effort of terrorists and criminals just like that one.
00:37:55.000So there's so much about this bill that the good far outweighs the bad.
00:38:00.000And that's why we have to pass it, send it to President Trump to sign it and then move on.
00:38:05.000I mean, Charlie, this is a big part about this is the first reconciliation.
00:38:17.000And then we can do the next one that can focus more on cutting spending and cutting a lot of the bad things that the Biden administration did to this country.
00:38:25.000Let's move on quickly to the next one.
00:40:21.000There are so many other elements here.
00:40:26.00010,000 new ICE agents, eliminates the Medicaid for illegal aliens, mandates voter ID for federal elections, stop Chinese ownership of U.S. land, revives the Keystone XL pipeline, tax breaks for adoption in large families.
00:40:40.000The deeper we go into this bill, the more good that we realize.
00:40:45.000Also, my understanding is that there's some opportunities in this bill to stop corporations from getting subsidies for taxes they didn't pay, basically bleeding U.S. taxpayers to help foreign companies.
00:40:55.000I mean, apparently there's some loophole where foreign companies are getting refunds from the federal government by using some sort of import-export scheme.
00:41:06.000Yeah, it's so absurd you can't explain it.
00:41:08.000I mean, when President Trump talks about It means closing loopholes that subsidize foreign countries and jobs in foreign countries to the detriment of jobs in America.
00:41:20.000So this really is an America first bill.
00:41:24.000It's the one big, beautiful bill that President Trump promised on the campaign trail.
00:41:28.000You listed so many good things about it.
00:41:31.000But at the end of the day, Charlie, I mean, I can't...
00:41:34.000To those on my side of the aisle, those Republicans, those critics of this bill, Do you really want working class families, the mechanics, factory workers, teachers, police officers, the men and women who go to work every day, you want to stick them with an extra $3,000 in taxes when they have such a hard time already making ends meet today?
00:41:59.000Do you really want And that's why we have to pass this bill as fast as we can to Senate to the president.
00:42:23.000We need to pass the big, beautiful bill, period.
00:42:25.000And just to add more contextualization there.
00:42:28.000Because this was in my show notes sent to me by somebody.
00:42:30.000They said apparently there was some foreign loophole where I guess cigarette companies are able to get refunds from the federal government.
00:42:58.000I mean, it's so important to the men and women who gave President Trump a historic election victory, a historic mandate, the popular vote.
00:43:09.000The working-class voters who are Republican now because of Donald Trump, they're counting on us to pass this bill to make sure that the biggest tax increase in American history doesn't occur on our watch and out of their pocketbooks.
00:43:41.000I was wrestling on kind of what we're going to call this organization, and my dad came up with a list of names, and all of a sudden he said, turning point.
00:44:28.000We were considered, and not just being an outsider, it is incomprehensible odds that we are up against.
00:44:33.000Show some of these pictures in the chat, guys.
00:44:36.000And Bill Montgomery, may he rest in peace, great man and great mentor, was one of the few people, that was a picture of Bill and I, I think I got a lot of pictures with Bill, unfortunately, at the Republican National Convention in 2012, where I basically had to smuggle myself in to that convention.
00:44:55.000That's where I met the great Foster Fries, and may he also rest in peace, where I gave him the first stairwell pitch.
00:45:04.000And he told me his name in a very comical way, and he ended up writing us a $10,000 check, which might as well have been $100 million at the time.
00:45:12.000That was the startup funding to allow us to get a website.
00:45:17.000And for 10 years straight, I made a promise to myself, and I kept that promise, that I might not be the smartest, I might not have the best college education, or any at all, but I will outwork you.
00:45:32.000You see, when I first entered the political space, I had a misconception.