The Charlie Kirk Show - "Beneath Sheep's Clothing": How Communism Penetrates Modern America

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00:00:01.000 James Lindsay joins the program all about woke communism.

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00:01:36.000 Dr. James Lindsay is with us.

00:01:38.000 Dr. Lindsay, welcome back to the program.

00:01:40.000 Hey Charlie, how you doing?

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00:01:42.000 So, lots to discuss this hour, but I want to make sure we plug the movie that you're involved in.

00:01:48.000 I had somebody come up to me in Albuquerque and he said, Charlie, you got to check out this movie, Beneath Sheep's Clothing.

00:01:54.000 It's unbelievable.

00:01:55.000 This guy was just like on fire.

00:01:56.000 I don't know if he works on the team or he saw a preview.

00:01:58.000 I mean, he was like an evangelist for this film.

00:02:01.000 Dr. Lindsay, tell us all about it.

00:02:03.000 Man, Charlie, I'll tell you, because, like, normally I'm a little modest to talk about stuff that I am involved in, but I've had a flood.

00:02:10.000 The movie came out last Friday, and so it's been out just for the weekend, really, and I have had a flood of, you know, messages sent to me that this thing is incredible, this film is going to save the republic.

00:02:20.000 Everybody has to see this.

00:02:21.000 I've never seen a response like this.

00:02:23.000 So it's really exciting.

00:02:25.000 The point of the film, honestly, was to show what happened in Soviet Union in churches and in schools, and to say we're seeing similar stuff here in the United States now with woke.

00:02:36.000 We're saying that communism is not coming, it's here, and that we have to wake up and deal with that.

00:02:42.000 So we made a film because, you know, books do a lot, shows do a lot, interviews do a lot.

00:02:48.000 Social media does a lot, but a film really can reach people, and it's high action.

00:02:51.000 It's extremely high production quality.

00:02:54.000 It's really engaging.

00:02:56.000 It's hard to stop watching it once you start.

00:02:58.000 I've seen it a bunch of times, and every time I have to get through it because I can't put it down, and it's just—I think it's a really fantastic vehicle to tell America exactly what is now, frankly, on our ballot, which is communism's here.

00:03:13.000 That's exactly right.

00:03:14.000 So let's play the trailer here, and the film is Beneath Sheep's Clothing.

00:03:19.000 People can find it at SalemNow.com.

00:03:21.000 And I tell you, James, this person that came up to me in Albuquerque, you'd think that he just saw The Godfather for the first time, right?

00:03:28.000 I mean, he's like, Charlie, you gotta check this out.

00:03:30.000 And so, I echo that.

00:03:32.000 Let's play cut 74.

00:03:33.000 Here's the thing about communism. 0.59

00:03:36.000 When it comes knocking at your door, it doesn't say, hi, I'm here to impoverish, enslave, and murder you.

00:03:42.000 It says, I'm here to liberate you from oppression.

00:03:47.000 You take over the colleges of education, then you take over all the teachers, then you take over all the students, and thus you get the future.

00:03:54.000 He said the ultimate objective of having government school was to destroy Christianity.

00:03:59.000 Those were his words.

00:04:00.000 People's war means to destroy the opposing country through unconventional methods. 0.94

00:04:07.000 And Khrushchev bragged about it.

00:04:09.000 We'll take America without firing a shot. 0.98

00:04:12.000 In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of American students without being challenged.

00:04:19.000 The result?

00:04:20.000 The result you can see here.

00:04:23.000 So that's just a little taste.

00:04:24.000 That was Yuri Bezmenov at the end of that clip there.

00:04:27.000 So James, I'm curious on a personal basis.

00:04:29.000 Typically, your emphasis is Mao.

00:04:32.000 I mean, you always pepper around the communist buffet of the 20th century, the horror show. 0.90

00:04:38.000 Why the Soviet Union?

00:04:39.000 What about the Soviet Union stuck out for you for the need to participate and help make this film?

00:04:45.000 Well, I wanted to help participate, make the film, because I have a lot of ability to connect what's going on with communist regimes of the past to the woke regime of the present.

00:04:54.000 But actually, this was Julie Bieling.

00:04:56.000 That's the woman at the beginning of the trailer. 0.95

00:04:58.000 It's her documentary.

00:05:00.000 She's the director, and it's based off of a book she wrote by the same title.

00:05:04.000 And so she actually Uh, it has a master's degree, a double master's degree in Russian literature and Russian history.

00:05:10.000 And she did her mission.

00:05:13.000 She's Mormon. 0.96

00:05:13.000 She did her mission in Soviet Union or sorry, in Russia immediately after Soviet Union collapsed in the 1990s. 0.96

00:05:20.000 So she had all this firsthand experience picking up what was going on.

00:05:26.000 In the Soviet Union, right after it collapsed, and in particular what she was struck by was, even though they had had 70 years of trying to hammer Christian belief out of the Russian people, virtually all of them, very, very few, would say that they were atheists.

00:05:41.000 They virtually all said that they retained their Christianity in private, that they, you know, still believed in God.

00:05:47.000 And she wanted to kind of understand what had happened, particularly with the religious persecution of the Russians during Soviet Union.

00:05:54.000 So her vision was to put together a film that showed that aspect of Soviet life and then compare it to what's going on in the U.S.

00:06:02.000 And she asked me if I would be involved, if I would come and do, you know, some talking head stuff at first.

00:06:06.000 It was a small role and then We did a big long interview one day and it expanded, but just trying to connect those dots that she had, then she had started to connect to the woke movement and put a lot of depth and color to it was why I wanted to be involved.

00:06:19.000 So we're going to kind of just bounce around here, but I want to encourage people to go to SalemNow.com.

00:06:23.000 Salem, which of course we're very close with and we do a great job together.

00:06:27.000 They're terrific.

00:06:28.000 So James, for the uninitiated in the audience, They say, wait a second, hold on.

00:06:32.000 Being woke in communism?

00:06:34.000 Those are two different things.

00:06:35.000 I mean, woke is about opening your eyes to the lenses of impression.

00:06:39.000 It's to see the police brutality and the colonialist implications.

00:06:43.000 Communism is like killing fields.

00:06:45.000 What is the connection for someone that is not in the weeds as much as they should between being woke, as Kamala Harris would say, you gotta be woke, you gotta be woke, and communism?

00:06:57.000 In fact, let me tee this up for you.

00:06:59.000 Play cut 75.

00:07:01.000 You know, we have to stay woke.

00:07:03.000 Like, everybody needs to be woke.

00:07:08.000 And you can talk about if you're the wokest or woker, but just stay more woke than less woke.

00:07:16.000 All right, so woke, that means woke up, right?

00:07:22.000 It means awake.

00:07:23.000 Well, what did you wake up to?

00:07:24.000 Well, you woke up to that the world is made out of systems of oppression.

00:07:28.000 In other words, it's an oppressor versus oppressed dynamic.

00:07:30.000 Maybe it's economic, rich versus poor, or producers versus workers.

00:07:35.000 But maybe it's race.

00:07:36.000 Maybe it's white versus people of color. 1.00

00:07:38.000 Maybe it's sex. 0.99

00:07:39.000 Maybe it's normal versus sexually deviant. 0.92

00:07:42.000 Maybe it's male versus female.

00:07:45.000 You could imagine a million different lines of oppressor versus oppressed, right?

00:07:48.000 So that's woke.

00:07:49.000 We all agree that that's woke.

00:07:51.000 The identity politics is woke.

00:07:53.000 Well, let's just go back to the very first page of the Communist Manifesto, which was written by Karl Marx in 1848.

00:07:58.000 What did he say?

00:07:59.000 He said that the entire movement of history is the conflict of classes.

00:08:04.000 And he gives a lot of examples, you know, basically like slave owner versus slave and so on.

00:08:09.000 And he says, or in a word, oppressor versus oppressed.

00:08:12.000 So when you see this manipulation of waking up to believing society is organized, around oppressor versus oppressed dynamics and that the oppressed have to wake up and transform society to a new model that's going to be socialist or anti-racist or queer or whatever it happens to be feminist.

00:08:31.000 You are very likely dealing with something that is in the field of Marxism.

00:08:35.000 And in this case, I've spent the past five years of my career nailing down that the origin point of virtually everything we see in the woke ideology comes straight out of communism, repackaged to attack the soft spots of the West.

00:08:50.000 We are so vulnerable to communism and to wokeism.

00:08:54.000 The film says it's not coming, but it's here.

00:08:57.000 And in some ways, this election, improperly framed, is a referendum.

00:09:05.000 Yeah, in fact, I've been a little bit glib, I suppose, but I go around and I've been thanking Vice President Harris for putting the national conversation about communism in our faces.

00:09:20.000 The Harris-Waltz ticket is a clearly Marxist ticket.

00:09:23.000 Elon Musk said so controversially on Twitter the other day, and the way they shot back is almost a signature that it's communist.

00:09:29.000 They said, oh, that's not right.

00:09:30.000 Elon Musk doesn't understand communism.

00:09:32.000 So, I mean, that's almost always how they tell you.

00:09:34.000 That's exactly what it is.

00:09:35.000 So we can guess that in a few weeks, it'll be, of course, it's communist.

00:09:39.000 And here's why it's a good thing.

00:09:40.000 Here's why maybe we do need a little more communism.

00:09:43.000 And so I'm grateful that it's now coming to light.

00:09:48.000 And I think we're about to have this national conversation.

00:09:50.000 So let me ask you from a framing.

00:09:52.000 If you were advising President Trump, would you say in a debate, you need to call her a communist?

00:09:56.000 Do you think the American people are ready for that?

00:09:58.000 Yes, and he needs to be able to say why it is with the oppressor versus oppressed line

00:10:03.000 from the manifesto.

00:10:04.000 And I don't say this as a hypothetical.

00:10:06.000 I'm thinking of the short pieces of conversation I have with him here or there.

00:10:11.000 What advice I'd give because it's totally true. 0.53

00:10:13.000 My only concern, James, and you would know this better than I would travel in the country

00:10:16.000 because you speak about communism.

00:10:18.000 Do some people just kind of repel when they hear, you know, you're just kind of a right 0.76

00:10:22.000 wing blowhard?

00:10:23.000 I don't know.

00:10:24.000 I think people are seeing things they've never seen before.

00:10:25.000 But it doesn't really matter as much because it's true.

00:10:29.000 She is a communist.

00:10:30.000 She is a Marxist.

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00:11:36.000 So James, you have defined in the past queer as being not within the normal.

00:11:43.000 Is that fair to say?

00:11:46.000 Can you give the definition of queer in like 20 seconds?

00:11:49.000 Yeah, that's actually not enough.

00:11:51.000 Queer is, by definition, according to David Halperin, who defined it in 1995, whatever is opposed to the normal, the legitimate, and the dominant.

00:12:02.000 So it is actively being opposed to normalcy and legitimacy.

00:12:07.000 So the reason I bring this up is that the entire Democrat campaign has embraced the word weird as a pejorative against J.D.

00:12:15.000 Vance and Donald Trump, positing that there is a normal.

00:12:18.000 And that's very strange coming from a organization or from a political party that doesn't believe that there is an objective normal.

00:12:25.000 Help me understand that.

00:12:27.000 I mean, this is a this is a maneuver by projection, right?

00:12:30.000 So it's very clear to everybody who's had their eyes open for the last two years, which means not necessarily much of the Democratic voting base.

00:12:38.000 But the people who have had their eyes open, there's drag queens all over the place, there's kind of chaos reigning in our cities, things are very weird. 1.00

00:12:44.000 We're hearing about, you know, what's coming across the border, it seems, why is this being allowed?

00:12:48.000 That's weird.

00:12:49.000 We hear about all the weird ties that are going Weird is their brand, right?

00:12:54.000 They've been very weird for a long time and now they're trying to do a big fat switcheroo and to project that weird concept onto MAGA and Trump and Vance in particular they chose as their target.

00:13:09.000 And they've tried to do this gigantic psychological operation to get us to believe that those people are weird.

00:13:14.000 And so by comparison, obviously, the Democrats are the ones with normal views.

00:13:19.000 And it's a classic communist inversion of reality that we're watching in order to distract from their own weirdness and to try to claim the mantle of normalcy for their new progressive normal.

00:13:29.000 In the art world, they would call this socialist realism.

00:13:32.000 There's actually an entire art movement that happened through Soviet Union in order to depict The movement of the the proletariat toward liberation or toward communism and it was it was meant to make that look like what the real norm of society is and it was against the law.

00:13:48.000 As a matter of fact, the Soviet Union used it as its art as its chosen art methodology.

00:13:53.000 It was against the law to depict reality as it was where people were suffering or something bad was happening.

00:13:57.000 All the characters had to be transparently two-dimensionally good or evil.

00:14:01.000 or one dimensionally good or evil. And they everything had to be, you know, for the glory

00:14:05.000 of building socialism and the process of building the new man. And that's what we're actually

00:14:09.000 watching with this weird is a thrust of socialist realism as a movement in order to propagandize

00:14:15.000 for a, in my opinion, Marxist regime. It's pure projection because based on their own rules,

00:14:21.000 there are no rules and there is no objective normal and that it's OK if a dude is in a thong

00:14:25.000 because he's living authentically dancing in front of kids.

00:14:29.000 And the whole idea of queering is the war against the legitimate. 0.94

00:14:34.000 And so wouldn't being weird also be of a value?

00:14:37.000 These are the very same people that welcome Dylan Mulvaney into the White House.

00:14:41.000 The same people that allow Drag Queen Story Hour.

00:14:44.000 And it is about... It's worse than projection.

00:14:48.000 It's pathological.

00:14:50.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:14:50.000 It's an inversion.

00:14:51.000 Like I said, this is actually an attack on normal.

00:14:53.000 And what people need to understand about queer is that queer could be defined also in not Halperin's terms, but my terms, the way I've defined it at times, is it's being opposed to limiting principles on principle.

00:15:06.000 So anything that tells them no, It's not okay.

00:15:09.000 But what they do is these nasty inversions, right?

00:15:12.000 So they'll say, well, why are you so interested in what other people are doing with their sexuality? 0.56

00:15:16.000 Or why are you so interested in children's genitals regarding the mutilation of the trans medicine stuff? 0.80

00:15:22.000 All of a sudden, they try to put it on you because what they're admitting is they know that the behavior they're engaging in is actually weird, but they're trying to make you feel weird or you look weird.

00:15:33.000 That's so smart.

00:15:34.000 It's because Tim Walz says, you know, mind your own business, J.D.

00:15:37.000 By the way, what's your vaccination status?

00:15:40.000 Mind your own business. 0.97

00:15:41.000 Oh, by the way, if your 14-year-old uses a different pronoun, I'm going to kidnap them. 0.99

00:15:45.000 Dr. Lindsey, is it fair to say that in Minnesota, your kid can be kidnapped from you if you do not subscribe to the Trans Agenda?

00:15:53.000 I know that certainly the law that got passed in California was on the bill in Washington.

00:15:58.000 And so if Minnesota, I'm not up with their legal stature, if they have passed that same statute or the mirror image statute, then the answer is absolutely yes.

00:16:08.000 These bills that they're passing in these hardcore blue states, and I remind your listeners that the Communist Party USA was founded in Minnesota, by the way, of all the states that it could have been.

00:16:18.000 These bills are designed to do exactly that, to be able to kidnap kids from parents who don't affirm the new woke ideology, you know, down to the last jot and tittle.

00:16:28.000 James Lindsay is here.

00:16:29.000 Check out SalemNow.com for wolf in sheep's clothing.

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00:16:35.000 Okay, I want to play Cut79 here.

00:16:37.000 This is Kamala Harris, who is a communist.

00:16:39.000 That's right.

00:16:39.000 Every time you hear her name, you should think Communist Harris.

00:16:43.000 Communist Harris.

00:16:44.000 Play Cut79.

00:16:45.000 Giving resources based on equity, understanding that we fight for equality, but we also need to fight for equity, understanding not everyone starts out at the same place.

00:16:55.000 So there's a big difference between equality and equity.

00:16:59.000 Equality suggests often everybody should get the same thing.

00:17:06.000 Well, that often assumes everybody started out in the same place.

00:17:11.000 As opposed to equity, which is everyone should end up in the same place.

00:17:16.000 And if you then understand not everybody started out in the same place, you understand some people need more.

00:17:23.000 So we all end up in the same place.

00:17:26.000 James Lindsay, what is going on here?

00:17:28.000 We are watching Kamala Harris, Communist Harris, repeat a doctrine from the early 1920s of Soviet Union.

00:17:36.000 I told you recently when we were together at the Believers Summit that I've been reading Lenin and Stalin kind of in depth for the first time, and it's sort of because of this film that I kind of got involved in wanting to look into that.

00:17:48.000 And it turns out that the one of the second most important program,

00:17:52.000 according to Stalin in 1923, the Soviet Union was to under undergo

00:17:57.000 was what we would call DEI. I can't say anything in Russian.

00:18:00.000 So I hope this comes through.

00:18:01.000 I'm going to let my phone pronounce it in Russian to you, but, uh,

00:18:04.000 so I don't know if that came through or not, but yeah, diversity,

00:18:12.000 actual equality in indigenization.

00:18:15.000 You can actually type those into Google Translate and see the impossible to pronounce words yourself.

00:18:19.000 Diversity is literally just the importation of the Soviet project.

00:18:24.000 Actual equality is what they called equity, instead of calling it equity.

00:18:28.000 And it means exactly what Kamala Harris just said.

00:18:30.000 It meant not just economic equity, but also cultural equity.

00:18:34.000 And then indigenization meant using the The various different nationalities and ethnic groups of the Soviet Union, and bringing them in and showing them that their real expression of citizenship would be through socialism.

00:18:50.000 If you actually read about what Stalin and Lenin wanted in the early 1920s for that project, which they said was the second most important project for the Soviet Union to undertake, It's exactly the diversity, equity and inclusion project that we have happening today.

00:19:04.000 So what you're just hearing Kamala Harris repackaging in, you know, modern English, what was a Soviet project considered of highest or second highest priority 100 years ago.

00:19:15.000 So, the goal of communism, they first must eliminate the family, church, and or religious life, and private property.

00:19:25.000 Let's go one by one.

00:19:28.000 Let's start with the family.

00:19:30.000 How does wokeism or communism aim to eliminate or deteriorate the family?

00:19:35.000 Let me clarify real quick first that the reason that they go after family, religion, and property so eagerly is because what they're actually after is your soul, which they seek to transform into being communist.

00:19:47.000 And those are the things that protect it.

00:19:49.000 So your family grounds you in who you are.

00:19:52.000 And so they have to split you away like any other cult would do, split you away from your family so that you don't have your indigenous, if you will, to your family identity anymore. 0.82

00:20:01.000 And they do that by feeding you doctrines that you are part of the new vanguard of history, frankly, you're moving history forward, and your parents are polluted with old values.

00:20:11.000 This was the Smash the Four Olds campaign in China's Cultural Revolution, for example, they did the same thing.

00:20:17.000 In Soviet Union, and what we have today is that you get your kids hopped up, especially on new visions of racial equality, not like the old, the bad old racist days and of get them hopped up on new visions of gender and sexual identities that their parents won't understand.

00:20:33.000 And then you drive wedges.

00:20:35.000 And like we talked about with the law in Minnesota, California, Washington, and lots of these other hard Democrat states, what we're actually seeing is that they're taking that now and flipping it around so that the state can intervene and actually remove The child from parental care, if they don't affirm what they're being taught at school and being told their parents probably won't like to drive even a deeper wedge.

00:20:58.000 At a very low level, though, even common core math, which nobody in the world understands at all, made it so that parents couldn't do their homework with their kids.

00:21:06.000 So that bonding of, you know, mom or dad helping you with your math homework because it's hard to learn math, that's gone.

00:21:12.000 That's absolutely gone because the parents aren't allowed to use their methods.

00:21:15.000 That's right.

00:21:16.000 Yeah, the whole idea of Common Core is that there's a new math that your parents can't be involved in, so you must go to the state to understand the new math.

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00:22:29.000 So the church, you've done a lot of commentary on the church, James.

00:22:32.000 I think you touch on this a little bit in the film, is that right?

00:22:34.000 Yeah, a lot.

00:22:37.000 A lot, good.

00:22:38.000 So the state of the American church is that, you said this at our Believer's Summit, they've been subverted.

00:22:45.000 I know you mentioned this previously.

00:22:48.000 What is the best way then to excommunicate woke communism from the church and from religion?

00:22:54.000 You're right.

00:22:55.000 And what the experiments of the Soviet Union and China taught communists is that, especially even stronger in the Christian West, it doesn't work to try to smash people's religion out of them.

00:23:06.000 The Soviet experiments couldn't do it.

00:23:08.000 Even with the most brutal force, like in the Potesti prison in Romania, they couldn't force people out of their faith.

00:23:15.000 It just doesn't work.

00:23:16.000 And so instead you have to subvert their beliefs.

00:23:18.000 You have to set up a false church that teaches communist doctrine as though it's Christianity. 0.85

00:23:24.000 And that means you have a subverted faith that's teaching the faith the wrong way.

00:23:28.000 We've seen a million examples of clips.

00:23:30.000 I think there's one going viral again today of some lady doing this. 1.00

00:23:33.000 And the fact of the matter is, or maybe it's a guy posing as a lady, I can't tell, Who knows these days.

00:23:39.000 So what you have to do is you have to be discerning.

00:23:41.000 You have to get very square in your theology, be very discerning, and it's up to pastors who are leading their churches to get very clear on what is required to be biblically grounded in their faith and biblically accurate in their faith.

00:23:55.000 And then it's their responsibility to teach and shepherd their flocks exactly that way and not To just, you know, kind of have this anything goes Christianity where everything's about kind of a soft affirmation and everybody's, you know, good doing you do you, whatever, whatever they want to do.

00:24:14.000 Yeah, this whole idea of who am I to judge, live and let live.

00:24:18.000 So, the current game in front of us is the question of how do you defeat communists in a domestic political sense?

00:24:27.000 You have rules that you've developed for this, James.

00:24:31.000 What are they, and what are the best ways to defeat an overwhelmingly powerful communist political operation?

00:24:40.000 Well, I mean, the first rule is really simple, and it's actually biblical, which is, like I just said, you've got to get discerning.

00:24:45.000 You've got to be able to start to pull apart this manipulated language that you understand when they use words like democracy or inclusion, that they don't mean what you think when they use words like transform or transformative, that your red flag goes up so that you can start to You know clarify or demystify yourself from their misuses of language that they use to reorganize society without people realizing.

00:25:10.000 That's the first rule is you have to become informed and then after you get informed you have to get involved.

00:25:15.000 You have to get off of the couch.

00:25:16.000 You have to figure out what your talents are and you have to get started.

00:25:20.000 But when Jesus in Matthew chapter 10 sends his disciples out, he doesn't send them out just to be discerning.

00:25:26.000 He says that you also have to be gentle.

00:25:28.000 We're up against a A very scary beast of a machine.

00:25:33.000 And we can see, for example, very clearly in the UK, which has flipped extraordinarily quickly into totalitarianism, that if you go out without remembering what gentleness looks like in your organizing and in your activities, that it's just going to be used as a pretext to stamp on you and take more power, which, of course, accelerates this dynamic of society spinning off the rails.

00:25:56.000 Don't think for a second they don't want that to be here.

00:25:59.000 So we've got to be clear, we've got to be active, and we've got to be smart and, in fact, gentle in how we go forward.

00:26:09.000 Firm, but gentle.

00:26:10.000 We can't be pushed over, obviously.

00:26:12.000 We can't tolerate the intolerable.

00:26:13.000 What is the significance, and I got this from you, it's so simple, of showing not telling when you're fighting a communist?

00:26:20.000 Oh, that's so important.

00:26:21.000 I can sit here and tell you, and maybe many of your listeners are actually going through this right now, I've told you things, right? 0.96

00:26:28.000 But if I don't show you, that's why I wanted to play the stupid Russian words through my phone that I can't pronounce. 0.87

00:26:33.000 Because if I show you, like, look, here's where Stalin said, this is the second most important aspect of the party. 0.82

00:26:39.000 Or if I tell you, you know, Well, you know, Herbert Marcuse in the 1960s wrote that we're going to have a repressive tolerance or a liberating tolerance regime, which means that we're going to support the left wing and we're going to crush the right wing.

00:26:51.000 You might not believe me, but if I show you that document and show it like there it is right there in print and here's the significance of this person, or if I show you the document called Politics of Education, which is a book, By Paul O'Frady, where he says that you're going through, becoming woke means going through a literal rebirth and a personal Easter, he calls it.

00:27:09.000 And then he has a whole paragraph saying, in fact, the Easter of commemorative rhetoric, in other words, a Christian Easter, Easter is dead, he says, with no hope of resurrection.

00:27:18.000 You have to die and be reborn to walk with the oppressed. 0.59

00:27:21.000 And then the forward, it says literally that the point of this is to build the kingdom of God here on earth in solidarity with the oppressed.

00:27:28.000 When I show you, that's what the actual document says and tell you the significance of that.

00:27:32.000 It changes everything.

00:27:33.000 When you see the drag queen in front of children, rather than hearing that maybe it happened, you see the horror on the child's face, then you can actually understand what's going on. 0.85

00:27:42.000 The quote from the queer theorist that says that the goal is to lead children into an emotional crisis and structure the environment around them to resolve it productively.

00:27:51.000 His name is Kevin Kumashiro.

00:27:52.000 The paper is called Against Repetition.

00:27:54.000 You can go see it with your own eyes for yourself.

00:27:56.000 When you see it, it's It's actually believable.

00:28:00.000 But until you see it, you'd think nobody could possibly say or believe that.

00:28:06.000 You must be unburdened by what has been.

00:28:07.000 What is it, James?

00:28:08.000 How do you say it?

00:28:09.000 We must be able to see what can be unburdened by what has been.

00:28:14.000 I gotta get that memorized.

00:28:16.000 This clip together we had at the Belieber Summit has been seen well over 10 million times, James.

00:28:20.000 I don't know if you know that.

00:28:21.000 It's really going viral.

00:28:22.000 I'm sure people are messaging you about it.

00:28:24.000 It's really great.

00:28:25.000 Play cut 76.

00:28:26.000 President Harris will say repeatedly, what is the quote?

00:28:29.000 The quote is that we can see what can be unburdened by what has been.

00:28:35.000 I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been.

00:28:38.000 You know?

00:28:40.000 What can be unburdened by what has been?

00:28:43.000 What can be?

00:28:46.000 Unburdened by what has been.

00:28:48.000 Is that word salad or Marxism?

00:28:50.000 It's Marxism.

00:28:50.000 That is, in fact, not at all word salad.

00:28:53.000 It's a Marxist incantation, as a matter of fact.

00:28:55.000 It's like a spell.

00:28:57.000 So you can see the possibility of a world that's unburdened from its own history.

00:29:02.000 Which is exactly what Mao Zedong did when he launched the campaign of smash the four olds, the four old characteristics of Chinese society. 0.97

00:29:10.000 They were going to make a new China that was going to be unburdened by what had been in the past of China. 0.95

00:29:15.000 This is what the Soviets, the Bolsheviks did when they took over power in Russia, is that they were going to make The new Russia. 0.91

00:29:21.000 They're gonna make the new man, as a matter of fact.

00:29:23.000 People could become unburdened by what has been, so that they could see what could possibly be, in the terms of a socialist utopia. 0.98

00:29:31.000 So, when she says that, I assume, given that her father was a Marxist, I assume she knows what she's saying, and I don't buy her idiot valley-speak schtick one bit. 0.90

00:29:42.000 I think she's far more smart and far more savvy than conservatives have given her credit for, and she is an outright Marxist. 0.97

00:29:49.000 It is very, very clear in her language, and that's what the Democrats want to nominate for president right now, which is kind of horrifying.

00:29:55.000 James, do you think you fell out of a coconut tree?

00:29:58.000 No, but I think that's a Marxist sentiment too, right?

00:30:00.000 It's because the whole idea of Marxism is, as Marx actually said himself in his 18th premiere of Louis Bonaparte, he said that, you know, men make their own historical conditions, but they don't make them as they please.

00:30:14.000 They make them according to the historical conditions that are present in the system that they're in.

00:30:18.000 And so, he says that the weight of all of the past generations lives, or haunts, or weighs on, I think as it is, weighs on the brains of the living like a nightmare.

00:30:28.000 And so, you didn't fall out of a coconut tree means you didn't come from nowhere in the time that you're in.

00:30:36.000 You came into a world that was built off of an entire historical tradition, an entire transformation of history.

00:30:42.000 So, you have to pick up where you are and go forward.

00:30:45.000 Everything the woman says almost is Marxist.

00:30:47.000 Yeah, that famous coconut tree she's cackling into the mic says, what do you think you fell out of coconut tree? 0.98

00:30:52.000 People exist in the context.

00:30:53.000 Therefore, James, you're not a sovereign individual with your own agency and choices and action.

00:30:58.000 That it's about deconstructing colonialism or getting rid of racism or white supremacy.

00:31:02.000 Can you connect those dots, James?

00:31:04.000 It's very, very important.

00:31:05.000 Yeah, you are in this historical context that you find yourself in, what Marx called your historical conditions.

00:31:12.000 Those historical conditions are the product of the society, and they tend to brainwash people to reproduce them.

00:31:19.000 But it's possible to wake up and to avoid your social production, as it's called.

00:31:24.000 It's called the theory of social production or theory of social reproduction.

00:31:28.000 You can avoid being dragged through reproducing history generation after generation, by awakening to the fact that there's an oppressor-oppressed

00:31:37.000 dynamic, and you are part of that oppressed,

00:31:39.000 so you have an insight into how society is actually not for everybody,

00:31:43.000 it's not fair, it's not socialist, it denies our social nature,

00:31:48.000 or our anti-racist nature, or our queer nature, and you can actually get to work.

00:31:53.000 The phrase is do the work, which is the work, the same work that the Hammer and Sickle were supposed to do in Soviet Russia or in China.

00:32:01.000 And you can do the work to transform society into a new way of being that will be, you know, some socialist utopia.

00:32:08.000 James, remind the audience how to find the film and the call to action, please.

00:32:12.000 Yeah, the film is called Beneath Sheep's Clothing.

00:32:14.000 The website for it is beneathsheepsclothing.movie, all written as one big word.

00:32:19.000 It's on Watch Salem now, presently as well, so you can go get the films there.

00:32:24.000 I encourage everybody to go see this.

00:32:26.000 I encourage you to not just watch it, but share it on social media, share it with a friend, but also see if you can put together, you know, get some of your left-leaning or Democrat friends to watch this, because this isn't a question of left versus right.

00:32:39.000 This isn't a question of Republican versus Democrat.

00:32:42.000 This is America versus communism.

00:32:44.000 And we need to wake up as many people as we possibly can.

00:32:47.000 We're hearing from a lot of Democrats and leftists, traditionally right now, who are saying, wait a minute, communism's not good.

00:32:54.000 Well, they need to have the dots connected.

00:32:55.000 So show them the film.

00:32:57.000 James Lindsay, thank you so much.

00:32:58.000 SalemNow.com.

00:32:59.000 That was a great discussion.

00:33:00.000 Thanks, man.

00:33:00.000 Talk to you soon.

00:33:01.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:33:02.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com to repeat.

00:33:05.000 If Kamala Harris, the current vice president, becomes president, it will be the most advanced communism has ever come in the history of our country.

00:33:14.000 Communism's not coming.

00:33:15.000 Communism is here.

00:33:17.000 She is a communist, and communism is on the ballot.

00:33:20.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:21.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:24.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 14, 2024

"Beneath Sheep's Clothing": How Communism Penetrates Modern America

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