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00:02:03.000Man, Charlie, I'll tell you, because, like, normally I'm a little modest to talk about stuff that I am involved in, but I've had a flood.
00:02:10.000The movie came out last Friday, and so it's been out just for the weekend, really, and I have had a flood of, you know, messages sent to me that this thing is incredible, this film is going to save the republic.
00:02:25.000The point of the film, honestly, was to show what happened in Soviet Union in churches and in schools, and to say we're seeing similar stuff here in the United States now with woke.
00:02:36.000We're saying that communism is not coming, it's here, and that we have to wake up and deal with that.
00:02:42.000So we made a film because, you know, books do a lot, shows do a lot, interviews do a lot.
00:02:48.000Social media does a lot, but a film really can reach people, and it's high action.
00:02:51.000It's extremely high production quality.
00:02:56.000It's hard to stop watching it once you start.
00:02:58.000I've seen it a bunch of times, and every time I have to get through it because I can't put it down, and it's just—I think it's a really fantastic vehicle to tell America exactly what is now, frankly, on our ballot, which is communism's here.
00:03:21.000And I tell you, James, this person that came up to me in Albuquerque, you'd think that he just saw The Godfather for the first time, right?
00:03:28.000I mean, he's like, Charlie, you gotta check this out.
00:03:36.000When it comes knocking at your door, it doesn't say, hi, I'm here to impoverish, enslave, and murder you.
00:03:42.000It says, I'm here to liberate you from oppression.
00:03:47.000You take over the colleges of education, then you take over all the teachers, then you take over all the students, and thus you get the future.
00:03:54.000He said the ultimate objective of having government school was to destroy Christianity.
00:04:39.000What about the Soviet Union stuck out for you for the need to participate and help make this film?
00:04:45.000Well, I wanted to help participate, make the film, because I have a lot of ability to connect what's going on with communist regimes of the past to the woke regime of the present.
00:05:13.000She did her mission in Soviet Union or sorry, in Russia immediately after Soviet Union collapsed in the 1990s.
00:05:20.000So she had all this firsthand experience picking up what was going on.
00:05:26.000In the Soviet Union, right after it collapsed, and in particular what she was struck by was, even though they had had 70 years of trying to hammer Christian belief out of the Russian people, virtually all of them, very, very few, would say that they were atheists.
00:05:41.000They virtually all said that they retained their Christianity in private, that they, you know, still believed in God.
00:05:47.000And she wanted to kind of understand what had happened, particularly with the religious persecution of the Russians during Soviet Union.
00:05:54.000So her vision was to put together a film that showed that aspect of Soviet life and then compare it to what's going on in the U.S.
00:06:02.000And she asked me if I would be involved, if I would come and do, you know, some talking head stuff at first.
00:06:06.000It was a small role and then We did a big long interview one day and it expanded, but just trying to connect those dots that she had, then she had started to connect to the woke movement and put a lot of depth and color to it was why I wanted to be involved.
00:06:19.000So we're going to kind of just bounce around here, but I want to encourage people to go to SalemNow.com.
00:06:23.000Salem, which of course we're very close with and we do a great job together.
00:06:45.000What is the connection for someone that is not in the weeds as much as they should between being woke, as Kamala Harris would say, you gotta be woke, you gotta be woke, and communism?
00:07:59.000He said that the entire movement of history is the conflict of classes.
00:08:04.000And he gives a lot of examples, you know, basically like slave owner versus slave and so on.
00:08:09.000And he says, or in a word, oppressor versus oppressed.
00:08:12.000So when you see this manipulation of waking up to believing society is organized, around oppressor versus oppressed dynamics and that the oppressed have to wake up and transform society to a new model that's going to be socialist or anti-racist or queer or whatever it happens to be feminist.
00:08:31.000You are very likely dealing with something that is in the field of Marxism.
00:08:35.000And in this case, I've spent the past five years of my career nailing down that the origin point of virtually everything we see in the woke ideology comes straight out of communism, repackaged to attack the soft spots of the West.
00:08:50.000We are so vulnerable to communism and to wokeism.
00:08:54.000The film says it's not coming, but it's here.
00:08:57.000And in some ways, this election, improperly framed, is a referendum.
00:09:05.000Yeah, in fact, I've been a little bit glib, I suppose, but I go around and I've been thanking Vice President Harris for putting the national conversation about communism in our faces.
00:09:20.000The Harris-Waltz ticket is a clearly Marxist ticket.
00:09:23.000Elon Musk said so controversially on Twitter the other day, and the way they shot back is almost a signature that it's communist.
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00:11:51.000Queer is, by definition, according to David Halperin, who defined it in 1995, whatever is opposed to the normal, the legitimate, and the dominant.
00:12:02.000So it is actively being opposed to normalcy and legitimacy.
00:12:07.000So the reason I bring this up is that the entire Democrat campaign has embraced the word weird as a pejorative against J.D.
00:12:15.000Vance and Donald Trump, positing that there is a normal.
00:12:18.000And that's very strange coming from a organization or from a political party that doesn't believe that there is an objective normal.
00:12:27.000I mean, this is a this is a maneuver by projection, right?
00:12:30.000So it's very clear to everybody who's had their eyes open for the last two years, which means not necessarily much of the Democratic voting base.
00:12:38.000But the people who have had their eyes open, there's drag queens all over the place, there's kind of chaos reigning in our cities, things are very weird.
00:12:44.000We're hearing about, you know, what's coming across the border, it seems, why is this being allowed?
00:12:49.000We hear about all the weird ties that are going Weird is their brand, right?
00:12:54.000They've been very weird for a long time and now they're trying to do a big fat switcheroo and to project that weird concept onto MAGA and Trump and Vance in particular they chose as their target.
00:13:09.000And they've tried to do this gigantic psychological operation to get us to believe that those people are weird.
00:13:14.000And so by comparison, obviously, the Democrats are the ones with normal views.
00:13:19.000And it's a classic communist inversion of reality that we're watching in order to distract from their own weirdness and to try to claim the mantle of normalcy for their new progressive normal.
00:13:29.000In the art world, they would call this socialist realism.
00:13:32.000There's actually an entire art movement that happened through Soviet Union in order to depict The movement of the the proletariat toward liberation or toward communism and it was it was meant to make that look like what the real norm of society is and it was against the law.
00:13:48.000As a matter of fact, the Soviet Union used it as its art as its chosen art methodology.
00:13:53.000It was against the law to depict reality as it was where people were suffering or something bad was happening.
00:13:57.000All the characters had to be transparently two-dimensionally good or evil.
00:14:01.000or one dimensionally good or evil. And they everything had to be, you know, for the glory
00:14:05.000of building socialism and the process of building the new man. And that's what we're actually
00:14:09.000watching with this weird is a thrust of socialist realism as a movement in order to propagandize
00:14:15.000for a, in my opinion, Marxist regime. It's pure projection because based on their own rules,
00:14:21.000there are no rules and there is no objective normal and that it's OK if a dude is in a thong
00:14:25.000because he's living authentically dancing in front of kids.
00:14:29.000And the whole idea of queering is the war against the legitimate.
00:14:34.000And so wouldn't being weird also be of a value?
00:14:37.000These are the very same people that welcome Dylan Mulvaney into the White House.
00:14:41.000The same people that allow Drag Queen Story Hour.
00:14:44.000And it is about... It's worse than projection.
00:14:51.000Like I said, this is actually an attack on normal.
00:14:53.000And what people need to understand about queer is that queer could be defined also in not Halperin's terms, but my terms, the way I've defined it at times, is it's being opposed to limiting principles on principle.
00:15:06.000So anything that tells them no, It's not okay.
00:15:09.000But what they do is these nasty inversions, right?
00:15:12.000So they'll say, well, why are you so interested in what other people are doing with their sexuality?
00:15:16.000Or why are you so interested in children's genitals regarding the mutilation of the trans medicine stuff?
00:15:22.000All of a sudden, they try to put it on you because what they're admitting is they know that the behavior they're engaging in is actually weird, but they're trying to make you feel weird or you look weird.
00:15:41.000Oh, by the way, if your 14-year-old uses a different pronoun, I'm going to kidnap them.
00:15:45.000Dr. Lindsey, is it fair to say that in Minnesota, your kid can be kidnapped from you if you do not subscribe to the Trans Agenda?
00:15:53.000I know that certainly the law that got passed in California was on the bill in Washington.
00:15:58.000And so if Minnesota, I'm not up with their legal stature, if they have passed that same statute or the mirror image statute, then the answer is absolutely yes.
00:16:08.000These bills that they're passing in these hardcore blue states, and I remind your listeners that the Communist Party USA was founded in Minnesota, by the way, of all the states that it could have been.
00:16:18.000These bills are designed to do exactly that, to be able to kidnap kids from parents who don't affirm the new woke ideology, you know, down to the last jot and tittle.
00:16:45.000Giving resources based on equity, understanding that we fight for equality, but we also need to fight for equity, understanding not everyone starts out at the same place.
00:16:55.000So there's a big difference between equality and equity.
00:16:59.000Equality suggests often everybody should get the same thing.
00:17:06.000Well, that often assumes everybody started out in the same place.
00:17:11.000As opposed to equity, which is everyone should end up in the same place.
00:17:16.000And if you then understand not everybody started out in the same place, you understand some people need more.
00:17:28.000We are watching Kamala Harris, Communist Harris, repeat a doctrine from the early 1920s of Soviet Union.
00:17:36.000I told you recently when we were together at the Believers Summit that I've been reading Lenin and Stalin kind of in depth for the first time, and it's sort of because of this film that I kind of got involved in wanting to look into that.
00:17:48.000And it turns out that the one of the second most important program,
00:17:52.000according to Stalin in 1923, the Soviet Union was to under undergo
00:17:57.000was what we would call DEI. I can't say anything in Russian.
00:18:15.000You can actually type those into Google Translate and see the impossible to pronounce words yourself.
00:18:19.000Diversity is literally just the importation of the Soviet project.
00:18:24.000Actual equality is what they called equity, instead of calling it equity.
00:18:28.000And it means exactly what Kamala Harris just said.
00:18:30.000It meant not just economic equity, but also cultural equity.
00:18:34.000And then indigenization meant using the The various different nationalities and ethnic groups of the Soviet Union, and bringing them in and showing them that their real expression of citizenship would be through socialism.
00:18:50.000If you actually read about what Stalin and Lenin wanted in the early 1920s for that project, which they said was the second most important project for the Soviet Union to undertake, It's exactly the diversity, equity and inclusion project that we have happening today.
00:19:04.000So what you're just hearing Kamala Harris repackaging in, you know, modern English, what was a Soviet project considered of highest or second highest priority 100 years ago.
00:19:15.000So, the goal of communism, they first must eliminate the family, church, and or religious life, and private property.
00:19:30.000How does wokeism or communism aim to eliminate or deteriorate the family?
00:19:35.000Let me clarify real quick first that the reason that they go after family, religion, and property so eagerly is because what they're actually after is your soul, which they seek to transform into being communist.
00:19:47.000And those are the things that protect it.
00:19:49.000So your family grounds you in who you are.
00:19:52.000And so they have to split you away like any other cult would do, split you away from your family so that you don't have your indigenous, if you will, to your family identity anymore.
00:20:01.000And they do that by feeding you doctrines that you are part of the new vanguard of history, frankly, you're moving history forward, and your parents are polluted with old values.
00:20:11.000This was the Smash the Four Olds campaign in China's Cultural Revolution, for example, they did the same thing.
00:20:17.000In Soviet Union, and what we have today is that you get your kids hopped up, especially on new visions of racial equality, not like the old, the bad old racist days and of get them hopped up on new visions of gender and sexual identities that their parents won't understand.
00:20:35.000And like we talked about with the law in Minnesota, California, Washington, and lots of these other hard Democrat states, what we're actually seeing is that they're taking that now and flipping it around so that the state can intervene and actually remove The child from parental care, if they don't affirm what they're being taught at school and being told their parents probably won't like to drive even a deeper wedge.
00:20:58.000At a very low level, though, even common core math, which nobody in the world understands at all, made it so that parents couldn't do their homework with their kids.
00:21:06.000So that bonding of, you know, mom or dad helping you with your math homework because it's hard to learn math, that's gone.
00:21:12.000That's absolutely gone because the parents aren't allowed to use their methods.
00:21:16.000Yeah, the whole idea of Common Core is that there's a new math that your parents can't be involved in, so you must go to the state to understand the new math.
00:21:26.000Are you worried about the future of the U.S.
00:22:55.000And what the experiments of the Soviet Union and China taught communists is that, especially even stronger in the Christian West, it doesn't work to try to smash people's religion out of them.
00:23:06.000The Soviet experiments couldn't do it.
00:23:08.000Even with the most brutal force, like in the Potesti prison in Romania, they couldn't force people out of their faith.
00:23:16.000And so instead you have to subvert their beliefs.
00:23:18.000You have to set up a false church that teaches communist doctrine as though it's Christianity.
00:23:24.000And that means you have a subverted faith that's teaching the faith the wrong way.
00:23:28.000We've seen a million examples of clips.
00:23:30.000I think there's one going viral again today of some lady doing this.
00:23:33.000And the fact of the matter is, or maybe it's a guy posing as a lady, I can't tell, Who knows these days.
00:23:39.000So what you have to do is you have to be discerning.
00:23:41.000You have to get very square in your theology, be very discerning, and it's up to pastors who are leading their churches to get very clear on what is required to be biblically grounded in their faith and biblically accurate in their faith.
00:23:55.000And then it's their responsibility to teach and shepherd their flocks exactly that way and not To just, you know, kind of have this anything goes Christianity where everything's about kind of a soft affirmation and everybody's, you know, good doing you do you, whatever, whatever they want to do.
00:24:14.000Yeah, this whole idea of who am I to judge, live and let live.
00:24:18.000So, the current game in front of us is the question of how do you defeat communists in a domestic political sense?
00:24:27.000You have rules that you've developed for this, James.
00:24:31.000What are they, and what are the best ways to defeat an overwhelmingly powerful communist political operation?
00:24:40.000Well, I mean, the first rule is really simple, and it's actually biblical, which is, like I just said, you've got to get discerning.
00:24:45.000You've got to be able to start to pull apart this manipulated language that you understand when they use words like democracy or inclusion, that they don't mean what you think when they use words like transform or transformative, that your red flag goes up so that you can start to You know clarify or demystify yourself from their misuses of language that they use to reorganize society without people realizing.
00:25:10.000That's the first rule is you have to become informed and then after you get informed you have to get involved.
00:25:16.000You have to figure out what your talents are and you have to get started.
00:25:20.000But when Jesus in Matthew chapter 10 sends his disciples out, he doesn't send them out just to be discerning.
00:25:26.000He says that you also have to be gentle.
00:25:28.000We're up against a A very scary beast of a machine.
00:25:33.000And we can see, for example, very clearly in the UK, which has flipped extraordinarily quickly into totalitarianism, that if you go out without remembering what gentleness looks like in your organizing and in your activities, that it's just going to be used as a pretext to stamp on you and take more power, which, of course, accelerates this dynamic of society spinning off the rails.
00:25:56.000Don't think for a second they don't want that to be here.
00:25:59.000So we've got to be clear, we've got to be active, and we've got to be smart and, in fact, gentle in how we go forward.
00:26:21.000I can sit here and tell you, and maybe many of your listeners are actually going through this right now, I've told you things, right?
00:26:28.000But if I don't show you, that's why I wanted to play the stupid Russian words through my phone that I can't pronounce.
00:26:33.000Because if I show you, like, look, here's where Stalin said, this is the second most important aspect of the party.
00:26:39.000Or if I tell you, you know, Well, you know, Herbert Marcuse in the 1960s wrote that we're going to have a repressive tolerance or a liberating tolerance regime, which means that we're going to support the left wing and we're going to crush the right wing.
00:26:51.000You might not believe me, but if I show you that document and show it like there it is right there in print and here's the significance of this person, or if I show you the document called Politics of Education, which is a book, By Paul O'Frady, where he says that you're going through, becoming woke means going through a literal rebirth and a personal Easter, he calls it.
00:27:09.000And then he has a whole paragraph saying, in fact, the Easter of commemorative rhetoric, in other words, a Christian Easter, Easter is dead, he says, with no hope of resurrection.
00:27:18.000You have to die and be reborn to walk with the oppressed.
00:27:21.000And then the forward, it says literally that the point of this is to build the kingdom of God here on earth in solidarity with the oppressed.
00:27:28.000When I show you, that's what the actual document says and tell you the significance of that.
00:27:33.000When you see the drag queen in front of children, rather than hearing that maybe it happened, you see the horror on the child's face, then you can actually understand what's going on.
00:27:42.000The quote from the queer theorist that says that the goal is to lead children into an emotional crisis and structure the environment around them to resolve it productively.
00:28:57.000So you can see the possibility of a world that's unburdened from its own history.
00:29:02.000Which is exactly what Mao Zedong did when he launched the campaign of smash the four olds, the four old characteristics of Chinese society.
00:29:10.000They were going to make a new China that was going to be unburdened by what had been in the past of China.
00:29:15.000This is what the Soviets, the Bolsheviks did when they took over power in Russia, is that they were going to make The new Russia.
00:29:21.000They're gonna make the new man, as a matter of fact.
00:29:23.000People could become unburdened by what has been, so that they could see what could possibly be, in the terms of a socialist utopia.
00:29:31.000So, when she says that, I assume, given that her father was a Marxist, I assume she knows what she's saying, and I don't buy her idiot valley-speak schtick one bit.
00:29:42.000I think she's far more smart and far more savvy than conservatives have given her credit for, and she is an outright Marxist.
00:29:49.000It is very, very clear in her language, and that's what the Democrats want to nominate for president right now, which is kind of horrifying.
00:29:55.000James, do you think you fell out of a coconut tree?
00:29:58.000No, but I think that's a Marxist sentiment too, right?
00:30:00.000It's because the whole idea of Marxism is, as Marx actually said himself in his 18th premiere of Louis Bonaparte, he said that, you know, men make their own historical conditions, but they don't make them as they please.
00:30:14.000They make them according to the historical conditions that are present in the system that they're in.
00:30:18.000And so, he says that the weight of all of the past generations lives, or haunts, or weighs on, I think as it is, weighs on the brains of the living like a nightmare.
00:30:28.000And so, you didn't fall out of a coconut tree means you didn't come from nowhere in the time that you're in.
00:30:36.000You came into a world that was built off of an entire historical tradition, an entire transformation of history.
00:30:42.000So, you have to pick up where you are and go forward.
00:30:45.000Everything the woman says almost is Marxist.
00:30:47.000Yeah, that famous coconut tree she's cackling into the mic says, what do you think you fell out of coconut tree?
00:31:05.000Yeah, you are in this historical context that you find yourself in, what Marx called your historical conditions.
00:31:12.000Those historical conditions are the product of the society, and they tend to brainwash people to reproduce them.
00:31:19.000But it's possible to wake up and to avoid your social production, as it's called.
00:31:24.000It's called the theory of social production or theory of social reproduction.
00:31:28.000You can avoid being dragged through reproducing history generation after generation, by awakening to the fact that there's an oppressor-oppressed
00:31:37.000dynamic, and you are part of that oppressed,
00:31:39.000so you have an insight into how society is actually not for everybody,
00:31:43.000it's not fair, it's not socialist, it denies our social nature,
00:31:48.000or our anti-racist nature, or our queer nature, and you can actually get to work.
00:31:53.000The phrase is do the work, which is the work, the same work that the Hammer and Sickle were supposed to do in Soviet Russia or in China.
00:32:01.000And you can do the work to transform society into a new way of being that will be, you know, some socialist utopia.
00:32:08.000James, remind the audience how to find the film and the call to action, please.
00:32:12.000Yeah, the film is called Beneath Sheep's Clothing.
00:32:14.000The website for it is beneathsheepsclothing.movie, all written as one big word.
00:32:19.000It's on Watch Salem now, presently as well, so you can go get the films there.
00:32:26.000I encourage you to not just watch it, but share it on social media, share it with a friend, but also see if you can put together, you know, get some of your left-leaning or Democrat friends to watch this, because this isn't a question of left versus right.
00:32:39.000This isn't a question of Republican versus Democrat.
00:33:02.000Email us freedom at charliekirk.com to repeat.
00:33:05.000If Kamala Harris, the current vice president, becomes president, it will be the most advanced communism has ever come in the history of our country.