The Charlie Kirk Show - Biden's Collapsing Hispanic Support + Making the Pro-Life Pitch with Michael Knowles

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:03.000 We are talking about the Biden administration's collapsing support amongst Hispanics and black voters.

00:00:10.000 A new poll out of Washington explains it in grave detail.

00:00:15.000 If you're a Biden administration staffer, if you're Biden himself, he's going to be looking at these numbers in shock and despair.

00:00:22.000 I can promise you that we break it down number by number, poll by excruciating poll from McLaughlin and Associates.

00:00:30.000 It shines new light that I promise you haven't seen yet.

00:00:32.000 Also, we have Michael Knowles from Daily Wire on the show to talk about Catholics.

00:00:38.000 Why are they lagging behind on the pro-life issue?

00:00:42.000 We also talk about Elon Musk bringing Trump back onto the platform and so much more.

00:00:46.000 A really, really fascinating discussion with Michael, who also gives his best pro-life pitch for those of you in the audience who want to hear it.

00:00:53.000 So much to cover, so little time.

00:00:55.000 Buckle up.

00:00:56.000 Here we go.

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00:01:39.000 This is Andrew Colvett filling in for Charlie, who is on vacation.

00:01:44.000 Goodness gracious, did that man need a vacation worse than ever?

00:01:47.000 He's still tweeting.

00:01:48.000 I'm seeing notes from him right now.

00:01:50.000 He's sending us tweets.

00:01:50.000 He's like, tweet this up, tweet this up.

00:01:53.000 So, you know, Charlie's obviously still plugged in.

00:01:56.000 He's still getting his news.

00:01:58.000 Charlie, if you're listening, please hang out with your wife right now.

00:02:01.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:02:03.000 They have an amazing relationship.

00:02:04.000 We're so happy for them.

00:02:05.000 They have their one-year anniversary.

00:02:08.000 This will be an annual trip.

00:02:09.000 So set your calendars this week in May.

00:02:12.000 Charlie and Erica take time to themselves.

00:02:14.000 But yeah, Charlie is still plugged in, but he does need to relax and rest.

00:02:19.000 The man works harder than anybody you will ever probably meet.

00:02:23.000 It's pretty insane the pace he keeps up and he keeps all of us on our toes, makes us all better.

00:02:28.000 So that is always a good thing.

00:02:30.000 Folks, in the interim, we've been doing some research here about the black and Hispanic voting base.

00:02:40.000 There's an article here from Paul Bedard, Washington Secrets, columnist for the Washington Examiner.

00:02:46.000 It's headlined, Biden on the Verge of Losing Hispanic Black Base.

00:02:51.000 So there's some new polling that's out of McLaughlin and Associates, which is a GOP polling firm, but they are very good at what they do.

00:03:04.000 So, you know, the piece does a fairly good job here.

00:03:09.000 And Paul Bedard is a great columnist with the examiner.

00:03:13.000 But starting under former President Trump, we started seeing this erosion of the blue-collar Hispanic and black voters.

00:03:22.000 Now, much ink has been spilled, much cable time has been devoted to the erosion of the white working class base.

00:03:30.000 This is the, if you want to say it, it's a JD Vance voter in Ohio and West Virginia, Indiana, and the Midwest, right?

00:03:39.000 These are the former union diehards that would vote Democrat, the blue-dobbed Democrats, but they would stick with the Democrat Party.

00:03:49.000 We saw that erosion with Trump.

00:03:50.000 Now, much has been made of that move.

00:03:54.000 But what's happening right now is I would call it a tectonic political realignment.

00:04:04.000 And we're seeing it because blue-collar working class Hispanics and black voters are starting to trick, not even trickle, but to gush, says Bedard, giving Republicans not only a good chance, but a probable, likely slam-dunk chance in both the houses, both houses of Congress to quickly lock down their own ruling majority.

00:04:26.000 So this is a quote from the pollsters Jim and John McLaughlin.

00:04:29.000 Most distressing for Democrats is that Joe Biden's ratings are eroding in his political base, creating a path for Republicans to maximize their base, win the center.

00:04:40.000 Okay, that's key.

00:04:41.000 Maximize their base, win the center, and attract Democrat voters.

00:04:46.000 So if you're Biden, this is what you're staring down the barrel of right now.

00:04:52.000 Biden only gets 82% of his 2020 vote, 82% of his 2020 vote.

00:05:00.000 And that's only 84% among Democrats.

00:05:02.000 So he's only doing slightly better with partisan Democrats than he is with his overall base, which is a distressing, distressing signal.

00:05:10.000 So if we're going to break this down one level more, okay, the base is upset with their president.

00:05:20.000 25% of Biden 2020 voters disapprove of his job.

00:05:25.000 And get this.

00:05:27.000 Biden's disapproval is 27% of self-proclaimed liberals.

00:05:33.000 This is the disapproval rating.

00:05:34.000 19% among Democrats, which is a slightly more partisan, hardened, partisan group.

00:05:39.000 25% among African Americans.

00:05:42.000 So that means basically he's got 75% of the African American vote, which is a huge slip.

00:05:50.000 His disapproval rating is 40% among urban voters.

00:05:56.000 And this is where it gets really, really juicy.

00:05:58.000 57% among women.

00:06:01.000 I mean, that's like, that's earth-shattering.

00:06:05.000 If you're a Democrat political operative, you're looking at that number, 57% among women disapproval rating, and you are having a panic attack.

00:06:16.000 You are wringing your like that.

00:06:20.000 Democrats tend to win the female vote.

00:06:24.000 I have to say it's partly because women tend to be more relationally based, more emotional in their decision making.

00:06:32.000 I'm not trying to be negative or make a, I'm not being critical of women out there.

00:06:39.000 This is the way God just made us, and we celebrate the sexes and the strengths and the differences.

00:06:45.000 Democrats tend to appeal to emotions, purely emotions, and they tend to win that.

00:06:50.000 So when you see a number that says 57% of women do not support or disapprove of Joe Biden's job ratings, that is a fire alarm, folks.

00:07:04.000 But it gets even worse.

00:07:07.000 61% among suburban voters disapprove.

00:07:12.000 61% of suburban voters disapprove.

00:07:15.000 And guess what?

00:07:16.000 61% of Hispanic voters disapprove.

00:07:22.000 Let me tell you that again.

00:07:23.000 61% of suburban voters disapprove and 61% of Hispanic voters disapprove.

00:07:31.000 So if you take that, that Joe Biden has 82% of his 2020 votes still support him.

00:07:37.000 82%.

00:07:38.000 That is down to 66,420,000 votes out of his supposed 81,000 ballots cast for him.

00:07:48.000 And we all know that there was shenanigans here.

00:07:52.000 The 2000 Mules documentary has proven that.

00:07:56.000 So, this is another very, very troubling question.

00:08:02.000 So, you got to pollsters what pollsters do, and we've had Rich Barris on the show multiple times for the show.

00:08:07.000 He's great at this.

00:08:08.000 But what pollsters do is they break down the same question, they ask it in a number of different directions to make sure that they're getting solid, solid statistics.

00:08:17.000 Now, Jim McLaughlin noted in this piece with Bedard that when voters were asked about the direction of the country, for example, 37% of blacks and 62% of Hispanics said the United States was heading in the wrong direction.

00:08:30.000 Now, what's interesting about this is this all comes on the backdrop of the Roe leak from Dobbs, where Alito's majority opinion five to four looks like Roe is on the ropes, it's going to be overturned.

00:08:49.000 But the question is: will this animate the Democrat base?

00:08:53.000 This is the assumption.

00:08:54.000 This is what we're assuming.

00:08:57.000 The assumption is about the reason behind the leak in the first place.

00:09:04.000 We're assuming that they leaked it to animate the base and to help them in a midterms, which is looking increasingly like it's going to be a bloodbath for the Democrats.

00:09:17.000 Now, Fox had an interesting piece on this this morning where they were trying to assess, and they had voters in North Carolina cut 69.

00:09:30.000 So, this is about Democrat turnout.

00:09:33.000 And we're asking the question: is the Roe leak really going to animate the Democrat base?

00:09:38.000 Let's play this cut from Fox Cut 69.

00:09:41.000 Of the five contests so far, overall turnout is up 9% when compared to 2018.

00:09:48.000 And 2018 was a big turnout year for Democrats.

00:09:52.000 Democratic turnout so far is down 12%.

00:09:55.000 Republican turnout apparently is up 24% in these five states.

00:10:00.000 There's a fellow in Texas, John Kuvilan, I think has got a name right who tracks a lot of this stuff.

00:10:05.000 He's looking at the early voting in North Carolina, and apparently, over an eight-day period since the Roe v. Wade leak came out, he sees no change in Democratic enthusiasm to try and vote in North Carolina, even after the leak from the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:10:23.000 All right, so that's he's saying Bill Hammer is saying that this pollster is seeing zero change, zero change in the enthusiasm for Democrats in the aftermath of the Dobbs decision leak from Justice Alito.

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00:12:24.000 I was saying something that I take as sort of an obvious presumption: that it was probably a liberal leaker that leaked the draft opinion from Dobbs, the majority opinion from written by Justice Samuel Alito.

00:12:42.000 There's been many people on the conservative side that agree with this.

00:12:47.000 We got Senator Ted Cruz who said that it's probably, if he had a guess, he has zero evidence that he would think that this was probably from one of the three liberal justices, one of their 12 law clerks.

00:12:59.000 I believe he said that he thought it was Kagan, calling her the most hardened left-wing partisan on the bench.

00:13:07.000 Obviously, that's before Katanji Brown Jackson takes over.

00:13:14.000 Now, I'd be remiss if I didn't educate you all a little bit more on some of the other opinions.

00:13:19.000 Now, an NPR reporter says the leading theory, quote unquote, on SCOTUS leak is a conservative clerk.

00:13:28.000 A clerk for this, I'm reading from The Hill, a clerk for a conservative justice, is the leading theory amid intense speculation about who released a draft opinion authored by Justice Samuel Alito, showing the court is set to overturn Roe v. Wade, according to legal affairs correspondent Nina Totemberg of NPR.

00:13:46.000 So, again, they think it's a conservative.

00:13:48.000 They're beginning to point the finger back.

00:13:49.000 Now, you might be asking, why would on earth they would think it would be a conservative?

00:13:55.000 The prevailing wisdom on the right, of course, is that it would have been a liberal clerk that leaked the draft opinion in order to animate the base.

00:14:02.000 That's not happening, at least first indications.

00:14:04.000 Now, time's not up.

00:14:06.000 The decision to overturn Roe has not happened.

00:14:10.000 But we haven't seen the types of reaction from the American electorate that one might have expected.

00:14:17.000 Now, you might say, well, hey, look, they're firebombing pro-life facilities in Wisconsin.

00:14:23.000 They're breaking into churches in LA and New York, anywhere in between.

00:14:29.000 I mean, there's a massive uprising, right?

00:14:31.000 This political crisis.

00:14:32.000 Well, I want to present to you the idea that that's probably AstroTurf.

00:14:36.000 This is dark money groups, and we've done, I think, a pretty great job on this show of exposing that.

00:14:41.000 There's dark money groups that are pouring money in to civil rights groups in an effort to make it appear like there's a massive reaction to Roe getting overturned.

00:14:53.000 But we just heard that there's not an enthusiasm bump at all, at least preliminary indications.

00:15:00.000 So, why do you think a conservative would leak this?

00:15:07.000 Well, Tottenberg said on NBC ABC's this week that the prevailing theory is that a conservative clerk released the decision in an attempt to lock in the five justices who voted to support overturning Roe as Chief Justice John Roberts, reportedly attempts to pull his colleagues toward a more moderate position.

00:15:26.000 That has never ever occurred before, Tottenberg said of the leak.

00:15:30.000 That could only, in all likelihood, have come from a justice.

00:15:33.000 That I think is less likely, or perhaps one of the clerks.

00:15:37.000 The only one that makes sense is it came from somebody who was afraid that this majority might not hold.

00:15:42.000 It's an interesting theory.

00:15:44.000 And I, instead of Decrying it as pure nonsense.

00:15:50.000 I want to give it a little air here.

00:15:55.000 We heard from Justice Clarence Thomas right after this.

00:16:00.000 There was a piece in Breitbart where he said that the court would not be bullied.

00:16:05.000 The court would not be bullied.

00:16:07.000 And they would not be swayed by activists storming the homes of conservative justices.

00:16:15.000 So maybe, maybe, maybe the theory is not a terrible one.

00:16:19.000 I still think that it is not nearly as compelling as a liberal clerk leaking this in order to galvanize the left wing of this country, trying to intimidate and bully justices, conservative justices like Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Amy Coney Barrett.

00:16:41.000 That to me is still the most compelling, the compelling presentation here.

00:16:45.000 However, to this NPR reporter's point, maybe it has hardened their position.

00:16:52.000 So, two things can be true at once.

00:16:53.000 I still think it's a liberal leaker that misunderstood the mood of the country, but it might have also hardened the justices that had their name on this.

00:17:07.000 Maybe something could have happened had the leak not happened.

00:17:09.000 Maybe some vote trading would have happened.

00:17:10.000 Maybe John Roberts would have been successful in moderating the position of the court.

00:17:15.000 Nevertheless, here we are.

00:17:17.000 I think these justices are going to hold their positions.

00:17:20.000 I think this, I think, Roe will be overturned.

00:17:23.000 And I think it was a liberal who leaked it.

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00:18:34.000 Michael, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:18:37.000 It is great to be with you, man.

00:18:39.000 Thanks for having me.

00:18:40.000 Well, it's great to have you on the show all the time.

00:18:43.000 I mean, it's great to have an apostate Catholic be able to explain these horrendous poll numbers.

00:18:51.000 I was like, Michael, you got some splaining to do, my friend.

00:18:54.000 Got some splaying.

00:18:55.000 Catholics, according to Pew, you've got 48% of Catholics that believe that abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

00:19:03.000 So that's 48 to 47%.

00:19:06.000 What the heck is going on right now?

00:19:08.000 Well, it's very sad, but the reason that you see that is because Joe Biden calls himself a Catholic.

00:19:16.000 Nancy Pelosi calls herself a Catholic.

00:19:19.000 The Cuomo family has called themselves Catholics.

00:19:22.000 They don't assent to the teachings of the Catholic Church, but they were raised Catholic.

00:19:27.000 Maybe they went to church on Sunday sometimes.

00:19:29.000 And so they take it on as a kind of cultural identity.

00:19:33.000 In a similar way that Jews will do this, Jews, being an ethnicity and a religion, will say, I'm Jewish, even if they don't believe anything about the Jewish religion and they don't follow any of the practices.

00:19:44.000 I have a sort of personal connection to this in that I was raised a cradle Catholic.

00:19:50.000 We have infant baptism.

00:19:51.000 That's one of the reasons that people will keep this identity, even if they don't actually practice the religion.

00:19:56.000 And I went away.

00:19:57.000 I fell away from the faith for about 10 years.

00:19:59.000 And I came back to it.

00:20:01.000 And I came back to it in a very gradual way.

00:20:04.000 And I came back to it through certain Protestant thinkers and through certain actually not even not Christian thinkers.

00:20:11.000 And then I was convinced God exists.

00:20:13.000 And then I was convinced Jesus is who he says he is.

00:20:15.000 And then I was convinced that the Catholic Church really is the Catholic Church.

00:20:18.000 And so I came back to it with all the zeal of a revert, all the zeal of a convert.

00:20:22.000 And it drives me crazy because if take, for example, Joe Biden, who says he's Catholic, he goes, I believe he receives communion at Mass.

00:20:31.000 He is in a state of grave and unrepentant sin.

00:20:36.000 He is supporting abortion in a very public way.

00:20:39.000 He is committing the sin of scandal.

00:20:41.000 He is committing all sorts of sins.

00:20:43.000 And the scandal here is that he's leading the flock astray.

00:20:48.000 And it's a real risk.

00:20:51.000 You know, when Christ says it's not going to go very well for those of you who lead the little ones astray, it's millstones and all of that.

00:21:00.000 That's what we're talking about here.

00:21:01.000 We're actually not even really talking about abortion, though.

00:21:04.000 That verse is often applied to abortion.

00:21:06.000 We're really talking about the sin of scandal.

00:21:07.000 And so the statistic you read is extraordinarily disheartening that roughly half of Catholics, half of self-identified Catholics reject the teaching of the Catholic Church.

00:21:18.000 It puts them at risk because if they are receiving the Eucharist while they are in a state of grave mortal sin, they're eating their own damnation, to quote St. Paul.

00:21:26.000 But also it leads the church astray.

00:21:28.000 And so this is where the bishops really need to step in.

00:21:31.000 It is incumbent upon the bishops.

00:21:32.000 And there are a lot of good bishops out there, believe it or not, who have spoken out on this, but there are a lot of cowardly bishops too.

00:21:39.000 When I did my blank book about five years ago, I did a blank book, Reasons to Vote for Democrats.

00:21:44.000 I mentioned this to a priest friend of mine.

00:21:46.000 He said, Michael, I think I'm going to write my own version called the Wisdom of the U.S. Council of Catholic Bishops.

00:21:53.000 And so often they won't speak out.

00:21:55.000 They won't stand up.

00:21:56.000 And they really have to.

00:21:57.000 It's important for the flock at large, but it's important even for the souls of these apostates, the souls of these people who are rejecting the teaching of the church and really imperiling their future.

00:22:10.000 No, we haven't heard it from that angle, but I think you're absolutely right.

00:22:14.000 I mean, there is the issue of the unborn children.

00:22:17.000 But thankfully, my theology is such that if those unborn children are murdered, that they will be with the Lord in heaven.

00:22:27.000 I believe that with all my heart.

00:22:28.000 That being said, you're talking about the people that are adults, right?

00:22:32.000 I mean, doesn't the Catholic Church have something like the age of 12 is the, it's like before and after the age of 12 as well.

00:22:37.000 There's an age of reason.

00:22:39.000 I thought it was age seven, but your mileage may vary.

00:22:42.000 But yes.

00:22:42.000 I'm not sure.

00:22:44.000 Our adolescence is getting prolonged and all.

00:22:47.000 It's going to be 25 soon enough.

00:22:49.000 Exactly, right.

00:22:50.000 But, you know, yes, you're not really morally culpable when you're too young to make moral decisions is the idea.

00:22:57.000 But, you know, I hope that you're right, Andrew.

00:22:59.000 I hope that the unborn babies who are killed through abortion, I can hope and I can pray and I can trust in God's extraordinary mercy.

00:23:07.000 But for a Christian here, the fear is that these babies have not been baptized.

00:23:12.000 The fear is that they still have the stain of original sin.

00:23:14.000 And so from a theological perspective, there is a real worry here.

00:23:19.000 I mean, obviously, it's awful what's happening to the babies.

00:23:22.000 Just the physical aspect of it is just so awful and unthinkable.

00:23:26.000 But there's a spiritual fear here as well.

00:23:28.000 And it's why the issue, I suppose, is so urgent.

00:23:31.000 Yeah, I mean, I think I lean on the side of I'm going to trust in God's incredible grace and mercy here for a child that was robbed of its chance of life because of the scourge of abortion on this land.

00:23:44.000 You know, but to your earlier point, Michael, this becomes a cultural endemic issue because we have people that are claiming to be people of faith, and yet they are not living up to one of the most fundamental bedrock issues I think a person of faith can come to grips with.

00:24:02.000 I mean, you and I are both parents.

00:24:05.000 It's when you go through that issue, when you go through that process of having a child, if you pair that with your faith, I just simply cannot grasp somebody being on the other end of this issue.

00:24:15.000 And I don't mean to be hardened to people that are in the midst of wrestling through this.

00:24:18.000 We had somebody on the show earlier, the matter of life director, Tracy Robinson, who she herself went to church and she was sort of in the mushy middle.

00:24:27.000 She didn't want to tell other people what to believe.

00:24:29.000 She was converted to basically now an activist in the pro-life movement because she heard a compelling argument for pro-life.

00:24:38.000 Michael, to put you on the spot, I hate to do it, but I kind of love to do it.

00:24:42.000 Give me, if people listening out there and they want to know why Michael Knowles is pro-life, what is your most compelling argument for pro-life?

00:24:50.000 Well, I had a similar story, actually.

00:24:52.000 I supported abortion for probably 10 years, probably my, maybe not quite that long, my teenage years.

00:24:58.000 And then I had a conversation with a bioethicist and she convinced me that I was wrong.

00:25:03.000 I made all the stupid, popular pro-abortion arguments that you will always hear.

00:25:08.000 They were in that book, Freakonomics.

00:25:09.000 People would say, well, yes, oh, yes.

00:25:12.000 Not only is the baby not a baby, but if we have more abortion, you know, we'll have less welfare.

00:25:16.000 If we have, we'll have less crime, you know, all these sorts of ghastly arguments.

00:25:20.000 And so I was reciting them to this pro-life bioethicist, and she said, okay, Michael, which of those arguments cannot also be an argument for killing young black men in the inner cities?

00:25:32.000 Which one?

00:25:34.000 Well, and I didn't have an answer here.

00:25:37.000 Of course, the problem with abortion is much more fundamental than any statistical issue or predictions of crimes that people haven't committed.

00:25:47.000 The issue of abortion is, is the baby a baby or is the baby not a baby?

00:25:52.000 We know that the baby is a baby.

00:25:54.000 We know that he's human.

00:25:55.000 We know that he's alive.

00:25:57.000 We know that he is unique.

00:25:59.000 We know that he has unique DNA.

00:26:01.000 And therefore, he's a human being entitled to all the same rights that every other human being has.

00:26:07.000 And furthermore, in a world in which a mother can kill her own child and where that is encouraged and celebrated, there is nothing that people will not do.

00:26:19.000 When some people were shocked that a Supreme Court clerk leaked, allegedly, you know, a clerk leaked this opinion for the Dobbs case.

00:26:27.000 They said, I can't believe this would ever happen.

00:26:29.000 The upsetting of norms and standards.

00:26:31.000 I said, what do you, of course they did this.

00:26:32.000 These are the sort of people who kill babies.

00:26:34.000 Of course they're going to upend a norm and a standard.

00:26:37.000 If you can kill a little baby, there's no end to what you cannot do.

00:26:41.000 But then furthermore, I think one other argument that's worth considering is to take the, from the perspective of rights, there's no question.

00:26:49.000 Abortion is completely unacceptable.

00:26:51.000 The baby does have the right to life.

00:26:53.000 That's obvious.

00:26:54.000 But what about the perspective of duty?

00:26:57.000 What about the perspective of obligation?

00:26:59.000 Let's say I open my door one day and I see a disgusting, dirty, filthy bum just on my doorstep, just a rotten, nasty stranger.

00:27:07.000 I don't know him from Adam and he's dying of thirst.

00:27:10.000 He's not just thirsty.

00:27:11.000 He's dying of thirst.

00:27:13.000 I've got water in my home.

00:27:15.000 Do I have an obligation to give him water?

00:27:17.000 I could just say, hey, it's my water.

00:27:19.000 It's my property to give or withhold as I so choose.

00:27:23.000 But I think I do have an obligation.

00:27:25.000 I think that man, even though I don't know him, even though he's a dirty, rotten derelict's bum, he's probably high on drugs.

00:27:30.000 Think he actually has a claim on my water.

00:27:33.000 If he's dying of exposure and there's no other house around for 20 miles, I think that I have an obligation to take him in a little.

00:27:39.000 You know, we're gonna have some protections.

00:27:40.000 Maybe I'll have my gun out or something like that in case he tries to rob me.

00:27:43.000 They want to get rid of that right, too.

00:27:44.000 But yeah, that's right.

00:27:45.000 They're gonna get rid of that one also.

00:27:47.000 But I think I have an obligation.

00:27:49.000 I think he has a legitimate claim on me because we're not just free-floating atoms born primarily to entitlement and rights.

00:27:56.000 We live in a political community.

00:27:57.000 We're born to mothers in a family, in a community, in a nation, and we do have obligations to one another.

00:28:03.000 And so, if you would extend that grace of handing a glass of water to the bum, how much more so must you give of yourself, of your resources, of your time and your energy and your property to your own child?

00:28:14.000 I think that's a really compelling, really compelling case, Michael.

00:28:18.000 Well said and bravo.

00:28:20.000 I mean, I think one of the other arguments that really frustrates me is when you see these radical activists on the streets like ripping fake paper-mâché babies out of their, you know, their lower extremities and slamming the baby's head on the ground and saying it's my right to do this, and I'm going to kill the baby.

00:28:37.000 You have this MSNBC, I guess, analyst or whatever come on and say, you know, I'm going to sleep with the leaker.

00:28:45.000 And then if it's a conservative, I'm going to abort the baby and let them know.

00:28:48.000 If, you know, I mean, the disgusting, grotesque expression of this issue is it's almost difficult to comprehend when you're on this side of the issue.

00:28:59.000 You know, and finally, this is one of the things I'll say is that they make this claim that we are going to force them to have children.

00:29:06.000 We're forcing these poor women to have children.

00:29:09.000 We're going to mandate, turn them into birthing factories.

00:29:13.000 And I, you know, it's, it's like the most obvious explanation is before them and they can't see it.

00:29:19.000 Nobody is forcing you to have sex.

00:29:21.000 Nobody is forcing you to engage in intercourse when you know damn well that could result in a human life.

00:29:28.000 But furthermore, they say that the people who oppose abortion are pro-forced birth.

00:29:35.000 Do they know how an abortion works?

00:29:36.000 Do they know what an abortion is?

00:29:38.000 Do they think the baby just disappears in the womb?

00:29:41.000 Abortion entails giving birth.

00:29:45.000 Just like you'd give birth to a living baby, if an abortionist goes in and kills the baby in the womb, you still have to give birth to that baby.

00:29:52.000 So what the abortion side is always trying to do is pretend that the baby is not really a baby and just say, oh, it never happened.

00:29:59.000 The baby was never conceived.

00:30:01.000 Okay, you'll go in.

00:30:01.000 You'll have this procedure.

00:30:03.000 Everything will go back to normal.

00:30:04.000 You can't deny the fact of the baby.

00:30:06.000 The baby is already there.

00:30:07.000 The question is not what should have happened six weeks ago, two months ago.

00:30:11.000 The question is, what are we going to do now?

00:30:13.000 And the only question before you is, are you going to kill that baby or are you going to permit it its right to life and either raise it or give it up for adoption?

00:30:21.000 Those are your only two choices.

00:30:22.000 And I think we know which one is good.

00:30:24.000 And I think we know which one is evil.

00:30:26.000 I think we do.

00:30:27.000 And I think what the Democrats are going to see that's going to really surprise them is that the minority voters that they've taken for granted for so long, immigrants that are now legal citizens can vote, they're going to react and reject this white liberal Washington elite bubble presumption that they're just going to champion abortion everywhere and it's going to go fine for them.

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00:31:51.000 Michael, you are what I would call one of the advocates for free speech.

00:31:55.000 When Elon took back over, you might have had the spiciest Twitter handle in the entire platform for about a week.

00:32:01.000 I mean, you often are running for top billing there, but you were really going after it.

00:32:07.000 I mean, you were taking on the trans stuff.

00:32:11.000 We have all the stuff that Charlie got banned for, you know, indefinitely suspended, we'll say.

00:32:18.000 So I want to play this cut.

00:32:19.000 I've been waiting to get to it all day.

00:32:21.000 Twitter, Elon Musk talking about Trump.

00:32:24.000 Clut 70.

00:32:25.000 Let's play it.

00:32:26.000 I do think that it was not correct to ban Donald Trump.

00:32:34.000 I think that was a mistake.

00:32:36.000 I think it was a morally bad decision, to be clear.

00:32:40.000 And foolish in the extreme.

00:32:43.000 So that was not a statement that left too much room for ambiguity.

00:32:48.000 You could see him almost going back and back and back saying, I just want this to be extremely clear.

00:32:52.000 Like, I think this was a crappy decision.

00:32:54.000 What's your take on Elon saying Trump would be welcome back to the platform?

00:32:59.000 Well, it's a smart business decision.

00:33:01.000 And as Elon points out, it's the right thing to do.

00:33:03.000 I think that's why he keeps reiterating it, is he's saying, look, I think it was a bad decision for the business.

00:33:08.000 I think it was a bad decision politically.

00:33:10.000 And morally, I think it's bad too.

00:33:12.000 And this was what was so offensive about kicking Trump off of Twitter is that you've got a handful of oligarchs in Silicon Valley controlling 90% plus of the flow of information around our country.

00:33:25.000 Our country is supposed to be at least a republic.

00:33:28.000 In a republic, the way you govern yourself is by talking.

00:33:31.000 You persuade one another, you have debates.

00:33:33.000 And so if you've got three oligarchs who are all extremely left-wing controlling all the speech, that's not just like they control some aspect of society.

00:33:41.000 They control the entire political order.

00:33:43.000 And then to go to the extreme of actually censoring the duly elected sitting president of the United States, we're talking about January 7th, the guy was still in office for two more weeks, and they took it upon themselves to kick him out of the public square.

00:33:58.000 That's a revolution.

00:33:59.000 I mean, that is a political revolution taking place in virtual reality.

00:34:04.000 And so Elon recognized not only is that bad business, that's a threat to the political order, and it's morally, extraordinarily wrong.

00:34:11.000 And I think he's trying to entice the big guy to come back on the platform and get the ratings up again.

00:34:16.000 There's some speculation about whether or not this could even happen, right?

00:34:19.000 Because Trump has Truth Social Now, which was basically rolled into a SPAC, which took it public.

00:34:25.000 These are sort of they call them blank checks entities.

00:34:30.000 There is speculation that there are clauses in that contract that prohibit him from coming back onto Twitter.

00:34:37.000 Now, we don't know that.

00:34:38.000 It's just all speculation.

00:34:39.000 There's experts weighing in.

00:34:40.000 Regardless, the question then becomes, what happens in 2024 when he presumably runs for office again?

00:34:48.000 Will he come back to Twitter?

00:34:50.000 What's the over-under on that?

00:34:52.000 I think that if he wants to run for president, he probably has to.

00:34:56.000 It was his most effective messaging platform.

00:34:59.000 Everyone is dying for him to come back.

00:35:01.000 Frankly, it's probably a good thing that the president will not be on Twitter for 2022 because 2022 right now is all about Biden.

00:35:10.000 It's not a presidential year.

00:35:11.000 It's a bunch of down-the-ballot sort of candidates.

00:35:14.000 And so if we can focus on what a complete disaster Biden is, I think it's going to be an absolute landslide for Republicans.

00:35:20.000 If Trump comes back on Twitter, everything's going to be about Trump again.

00:35:24.000 2024, it's a completely different story.

00:35:26.000 As of right now, President Trump says he's going to run for re-election.

00:35:29.000 So if he's going to run for re-election, then the guy needs access to platforms.

00:35:35.000 The guy can't be shut out of the public square.

00:35:37.000 And there will be the side benefit, and it will be extremely entertaining.

00:35:42.000 Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right.

00:35:44.000 You know, you bring up a very good point.

00:35:46.000 Is Trump being off Twitter for now good for 2022?

00:35:50.000 I mean, I think the calculus is different going into 2022 versus 24 simply because this is about other candidates, not Trump.

00:35:59.000 I mean, I think that's a really, really smart point.

00:36:01.000 Okay, sum it up for us.

00:36:04.000 How bad is 2022 going to be for the Democrats?

00:36:08.000 They're not above water on any issue.

00:36:11.000 They're underwater on every single issue, the economy, immigration, foreign policy, inflation, on and on and on.

00:36:16.000 They're underwater on all of public health, even now, which was the one issue they previously had.

00:36:20.000 But if you look at Joe Biden's approval rating, he's only got net approval in four states.

00:36:24.000 That means in 46 states, the guy is underwater.

00:36:27.000 If we keep it focused on him and all their terrible policies, it's going to be a tidal wave.

00:36:32.000 Man, I think you're right.

00:36:34.000 I hope you're right.

00:36:34.000 If we can get this election integrity thing under wraps, I think you're really right.

00:36:39.000 But, you know, we still have to play the game.

00:36:43.000 We still have to play it again.

00:36:44.000 That's why they make us go out and vote.

00:36:46.000 Michael Knowles, The Daily Wire, The Michael Knowles Show.

00:36:49.000 Thank you, my friend, for coming on.

00:36:51.000 It's been an honor.

00:36:52.000 Great to be with you as always.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 12, 2022

Biden's Collapsing Hispanic Support + Making the Pro-Life Pitch with Michael Knowles

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