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00:04:12.000You don't have the fire yet, but you have definitive fire in a general sense.
00:04:17.000And in a specific sense, you see the smoke.
00:04:19.000You put it together and you know there's something awry.
00:04:22.000And basically, to begin with, we know the entire mail-in regime was built upon a series of decisions that were made not pursuant to law.
00:04:31.000So the entire notion that you could have over two and a half million more mail-in ballots in a given state won election and then somehow have rejection rates 127th the level of where it was when you had fewer ballots.
00:04:45.000You know right away, wait a minute, that doesn't really seem to add up.
00:04:49.000But then when you delve into it, you see very specifically, it not only doesn't add up from a political science perspective, it's very contradictory.
00:05:00.000And it all has the same common thread, the only common thread through all the contradictions.
00:05:05.000And that is the mail-ins really didn't like Trump and they really liked Biden, even relative to other people in the same party.
00:05:16.000So Biden seemed to always do better than other Democrats and mail-ins.
00:05:21.000And Trump seemed to do worse, even relative to other Republicans.
00:05:26.000And that's very important because everyone agrees that generally speaking, Democrats mailed out more mail-in ballots and Biden would get more mail-ins.
00:05:34.000But I think what's important to realize is that none of us are asserting that Trump carried Pennsylvania or Wisconsin by 10, 15 points.
00:05:42.000No, we're saying the same way they're trying to show Biden ahead by a half a percentage or so.
00:05:48.000Really, Trump was on the other end by a half a percent or percent.
00:05:51.000So you understand, Charlie, there's a big difference between winning 65% of the statewide mail-ins versus 77%.
00:06:01.000The specifics we're seeing here is this: it's simple math.
00:06:05.000Hats off to the Secretary of State of Pennsylvania for actually breaking down the ballot returns based on Election Day versus mail-ins.
00:06:16.000And what you'll find is: if you already know the components of that sum, how many ballots Trump got for Election Day, how many for mail-ins.
00:06:28.000And we also know the percentage breakdown of who mailed in mail-in ballots based on independent or non-affiliated Republican and Democrat.
00:06:41.000It's simple math, simple arithmetic based on the numbers we know.
00:06:45.000So I want to make it very clear: this is hard data.
00:06:51.000In order to get the result that Biden got in total, he would have had to have gotten more than 80% of the independent vote, more than 21% of the Republican mail-in vote, meaning registered Republicans, registered indies, and 95% of Democrats.
00:07:11.000And the problem with that is, from a political science standpoint, in the states where Democrats didn't really need to win, meaning either they were very blue or very red, you'd never, you didn't find that.
00:07:24.000You could, you, you look at, for example, let's take the Republicans.
00:07:28.000You want to tell me there's a little bit of a liberal bias in mail-in voters.
00:07:53.000They actually turned out in record numbers for him.
00:07:56.000The notion that he's going to get record numbers of Republicans as the average of total mail-in and election day.
00:08:03.000But if you isolate mail-ins, 21% of registered Republicans went for Biden, that doesn't add up, nor does the 80% indies.
00:08:15.000And actually, it's a little bit more than that because the 80% number wouldn't have gotten him to the break-even point that he got maybe 82%.
00:08:22.000According to exit polls, in totality, Biden got about 53, 55% of independent vote.
00:08:30.000You would have to have some sort of spread of Biden getting 35-40% of election day indies and 80-82% of mail-in independents.
00:08:41.000Again, you could say there's a little bit more of a liberal bias, but these are the things that people who do auditing and accounting, these are the type of numbers you look for.
00:08:50.000But let me just take it to the hammer here.
00:08:54.000Where I think what brings this out completely is this: you look down ballot.
00:08:59.000There's a lot of talk in several states about Biden-only mail-in ballots, which are very suspicious.
00:09:58.000They won with fewer votes than Trump, supposedly losing.
00:10:03.000Now, okay, you could say there's less of a universe because fewer people fill out the down-the-ballot things.
00:10:08.000Well, what's interesting is this: both of those Republicans, even though they got fewer votes in total than Trump, they got more raw votes than Trump on mail-ins, fewer substantially on election day.
00:10:48.000But if you're filling out a ballot in the comfort of your home, you got all the time in the world.
00:10:53.000Maybe you could look up on the internet who is this auditor person I never heard of.
00:10:58.000And maybe that's why there's more down-the-ballot votes, more Republican voters on through mail-ins filled out down the ballot than election day Republicans.
00:11:12.000You switch to the attorneys general race where the Democrat won.
00:11:16.000Dan Shapiro is not as well known as Trump and Biden, but he's very well known.
00:11:21.000I mean, he's been all over the place in Pennsylvania, much more so than the auditor and treasurer.
00:11:26.000I mean, if the down-the-ballot dudes did better in mail-ins, you would sure as heck expect Dan Shapiro, who overall won by the largest margin statewide of anyone, presidential auditor, treasurer.
00:11:42.000You would expect him to really do much better relative to Biden and mail-ins.
00:11:49.000There, it turns out that he did better than Biden with election day votes.
00:11:56.000But when it comes to mail-ins, Biden did better than even Dan Shapiro did.
00:12:02.000You put, and I know that took a little bit of time to put together, but this is kind of that circumstantial evidence.
00:12:07.000You put it all together that certainly, once we know that they're not matching the signatures, and we know that they had the curable ballots, but just in Allegheny and Philadelphia, and we know that they kicked after Republican inspectors even after the court said you have to do it, dude.
00:12:22.000Where there's fire and there's smoke, there's even more fire.
00:12:44.000Well, I mean, just off the bat, there's no way that you could have 27 times or 27 times greater acceptance rate with 10 times greater number of mail-in ballots.
00:12:58.000When all Nate Silver was warning about this, New York Times did a whole article in the lead up to the election.
00:13:03.000They were quoting studies that there's three times the rejection rate among first-timers who aren't used to filling out absentee ballots.
00:13:11.000There's just, I mean, you put it all together.
00:13:14.000And the only answer is, and unless someone has a better answer, is that you had a bunch of ballots.
00:13:20.000And I'm not saying all 2.6 million mail-ins were fraudulent.
00:13:23.000A lot of Democrats legitimately voted through mail.
00:13:26.000But again, we're not talking about 2.6 million fraud.
00:13:29.000We're talking about 100, 200,000 ballots that were harvested and handed in by third-party officials and organizations that had Biden-only ballots and not Trump ballots.
00:13:44.000And that's how you have a scenario where Biden does so much better than Trump, even relative to all the down the ballot candidates, inversely so between the Democrat Attorney General and Republican auditor and treasurer.
00:14:01.000I think there's multiple parts of that.
00:14:03.000There was the voter registration part of it, which was actually registering faulty voters.
00:14:07.00090-plus-year-olds saw a massive spike in voter registration in Pennsylvania, a 1,774% increase in voter registration in Pennsylvania.
00:14:15.000Then there's the ballot laundering practices where it's just the interception, filling out and cleaning of the ballots.
00:14:21.000So you put them in these massive drop boxes that were funded by the Center for Technology and Civic Life.
00:14:26.000Then I think there were shenanigans in the vote counting process, actually the tabulation, vote seers that weren't allowed access, all of this.
00:14:33.000Daniel, you're one of the most rational, one of the most reasoned-based writers and thinkers out there.
00:14:40.000Everything you do is rooted in reason, which is why I like reading what you write.
00:14:49.000And the reason is this: it's not like we're coming out of nowhere.
00:14:53.000This was done in broad daylight, meaning the foundation for this, and let's leave the whole Dominion part out of it.
00:15:00.000Let's just even, I'm not even getting to that.
00:15:02.000The foundation of this, there's election law fraud and this ballot fraud.
00:15:07.000The election law fraud we saw up front.
00:15:09.000I mean, you just had executives in these states aided and abetted by lower courts.
00:15:18.000And by the way, this is important because a lot of people are like, oh, how dare you get the federal, the Supreme Court involved in a federal question.
00:15:23.000Well, the reason why you don't have matching signatures in Pennsylvania is because the League of Women Voters went to the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, which is a federal court, and that got the Secretary of State to create this settlement where they didn't do it.
00:15:36.000Well, I mean, it's the Supreme Court's got to clean up the mess of their lower court.
00:15:40.000They created an environment for them to do this out in the open.
00:15:44.000So, it's not like we're conjecturing and speculating.
00:15:47.000Well, maybe they had this crazy fraud.
00:15:49.000Mail-ins have been known to be fraudulent since McClellan's time in 1864.
00:15:54.000I mean, heck, the Washington Post wrote a article on that in the summer, you know, when this wasn't viewed as what would determine the election.
00:16:04.000And now that you have an entire electorate put on an unverifiable mail-in system, it's obvious it was.
00:16:13.000And I'll tell you this: you know, whenever it's Trump at stake, so it automatically becomes super political and no one's going to think about it rationally.
00:16:20.000Anyone who supports Trump is going to say it's stolen.
00:16:57.000We openly know there's been fraud like this in the inner cities for years.
00:17:01.000So you marry the two, you marry the desire, which we know is there, the organizations, which we know are out there, with the open opportunity that state Supreme Courts, lower federal courts, and various secretaries of states and governors accorded them.
00:17:18.000And I think, Charlie, the only question is, how deep does it run?
00:17:23.000But if you look at the margins and you look at what they are alleging that Biden achieved through those very mail-ins, it is pretty safe to say that he likely won Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by at least those margins that he supposedly lost them by.
00:17:45.000And so what's stunning is that typically in elections, things work in patterns.
00:17:52.000You're able to see certain trends emerge.
00:17:54.000One of the things that fascinates me the most about politics is how someone that lives in Parkersburg, West Virginia, will think very similar to someone that lives 2,000 miles away in northern Minnesota.
00:18:50.000Trump won Florida more decisively than Obama did in 2008 against a weak candidate, McCain, and a referendum on the Republicans, war weariness, all that sort of stuff.
00:18:59.000How is it possible that Georgia was lost?
00:20:12.000So, I mean, Ron wasn't having any of that garbage in Florida, but in Ohio, even where you have a very weak Republican, but the Attorney General had a very hard-fought victory in the Supreme Court.
00:20:21.000It took about four years to clean the rolls.
00:20:24.000If you remember, Supreme Court, it was one of the most landmark rulings we've had recently on election law.
00:23:21.000But even if you take it out, Trump still would have won Florida.
00:23:25.000Meaning, if you would have given Biden's, if you would give Biden Hillary's margin in Miami-Dade, Trump still would have won by more than he won last time.
00:23:34.000So that tells you, yes, we know the bleeding in Tampa suburbs, Hillsborough, Duval and Jacksonville.
00:24:13.000While Republicans flipped two congressional seats and five state legislative seats there, but the difference is those weren't in the Twin Cities metro where Biden blew out Obama's margins.
00:24:40.000And I could go on to New Mexico is a similar thing.
00:24:42.000I'm not saying that Trump won New Mexico, but that the notion that he lost it by 11, Trump's two big things are non-college educated and Hispanics, he did much better.
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00:26:52.000Well, and Minnesota is very perplexing because if you remember, the Iron Range mayors all came out for Donald Trump, that Duluth, northeastern part of Minnesota was extremely pro-Trump.
00:27:04.000We're supposed to believe that Trump lost Minnesota by seven points.
00:27:59.000That's one of those Trump Obama towns.
00:28:04.000But despite Trump doing a rally in Erie, Pennsylvania the week before, we're supposed to believe that Joe Biden, who never visited there at all whatsoever in Erie, Pennsylvania, did better there.
00:28:15.000What with all that evidence presented to us, and you and I both believing that this election is stolen, what is the remedy at this point forward?
00:28:23.000What is the best way to expose this through all the standards of evidence that is needed in a court of law?
00:28:32.000You know, I don't think you could do it in a court of law in that amount of time because to put together a judicial case, you need, I mean, a criminal case like this would take a year to put together.
00:28:43.000I do think the court cases are important to fuel the political solution, which we could talk about, just in the sense of telling us what the law is.
00:28:52.000And I think I know Ken Paxon's lawsuit is asking to push off the safe harbor date, but I think fundamentally what it's about when they write it in there is declatory judgment of just saying, look, tell us what the law is.
00:29:06.000Fundamentally, these ballots that were cast in those four states through mail-ins, were they done through unlawful means?
00:29:25.000But what that should do is fuel the Republicans who control the legislatures in all four states to not just have the backbenchers try to eke out one committee hearing per state, but it's already late in the game.
00:29:40.000They should have been doing this for weeks already.
00:29:43.000And leadership in all their respective states should have supported it.
00:29:46.000And really, as Mark Levin was pushing, they should have passed a concurrent resolution before the election, which would have given them more just moral authority rather than like, oh, you don't like the election results.
00:29:57.000She said, look, I mean, we didn't authorize this.
00:30:05.000And see, it sounds dramatic to say, I'm going to appoint Trump electors, but I think if they would take what I gave over to you in 20 minutes and flesh this out day in and day out on televised hearings and have a united Republican Party, it would reach the point where it would make sense for the people to do what you did in 1876.
00:30:44.000The Senate wouldn't sign off on Tilden.
00:30:47.000And what you would do is, and I'm not trying to say I necessarily would favor this, but let me just give your audience some sense of how that would work out.
00:30:54.000They're like, all right, the Republican Hayes is going to be president.
00:30:58.000So they had a commission and they had to make a political compromise.
00:31:01.000It's in the 11th hour, right before the inauguration.
00:31:05.000They weren't going to hold another election, but they realized the election was screwed up and you had to make a compromise.
00:31:10.000And they agreed upon Hayes being the president, but they gave the Democrats the biggest thing they wanted, which was an end of Reconstruction.
00:31:17.000And I think the equivalent of that today would be, and I'm not saying I agree with only this.
00:31:25.000Okay, Biden could be president, but we get the equivalent of ending Reconstruction, which could be ending COVID fascism.
00:31:33.000It could be speaking to this very issue, end mail and ballot and ballot harvesting and having universal photo ID and proof of citizenship to register, the list of five things we want.
00:31:47.000But the problem, Charlie, and you know, this is my passion, and every issue gets back to this, in that we only have 10% of Republicans, 10 to 20% in a given state, elected Republicans, that believe in their position or their presumed position as strongly as 100% of the Democrats believe in theirs.
00:32:10.000So the problem is we're never unfortunately going to get to that point because the Democrats don't have a reason to deal with us and negotiate and have a grand compromise because they get it for free.
00:32:20.000Because if this came to the Senate, how many would withhold certification?
00:32:56.000But I mean, Charlie, this is the same reason why Republicans control 31 state legislatures and 24 trifectos, and COVID fascism in West Virginia and Ohio looks like it does in California.
00:33:08.000I mean, there's not much of a difference.
00:33:11.000This is why criminals are being released in Houston like they are in New York.
00:33:16.000I mean, we have a broken Republican Party.
00:33:19.000And I think that's really what this whole saga unfortunately reveals.
00:34:00.000But Daniel, if we do not get clarity on what happened here, I think that our leaders are underestimating what's going to happen next.
00:34:09.000I was just with a group of very successful CEOs, self-made business people that all love Trump and they're all conservative, about 90 of them.
00:34:20.000Every single one of them believe it was stolen.
00:34:23.000Half of them think Trump is serving a second term.
00:34:45.000And it's not even the way that the left did it, where it's like, you're not my president, where it was just kind of this pent up anger that I wish we wouldn't have lost.
00:34:51.000It'll be actual resentment that you shouldn't even be there.
00:34:56.000Can you talk about the significance of this as far as just keeping our country together?
00:35:00.000See, what a lot of these Republicans don't realize is this reckoning was a come-in for a long time.
00:35:08.000It's ironically Trump that held it together.
00:35:10.000I mean, one of the reasons, if there's one thing I resented about Trump, it was actually because I wanted this moment to come earlier.
00:35:18.000And his presence kind of excited the base and rejuvenated the Republican Party, which I felt in the long run was just too irremediably broken.
00:35:27.000And it would just, you know, we'd be back in this position.
00:35:30.000If, you know, when he rides off into the sunset, which of course he's not going to go away in that sense, but I mean, presumably Biden will wind up assuming the office.
00:35:40.000They don't realize they think they could just go back to the Romney Republican Party.
00:35:46.000That's not going to, I mean, people, once they got the stake, they're not going back to the veggies.
00:35:50.000And that's just not, that's not going to happen.
00:35:52.000So I think before the country, just in terms of the Republican Party, they don't seem to understand you could insult people into voting Republican.
00:36:02.000You could patronize them and threaten them.
00:36:04.000And you might even have good arguments, but I mean, it's not going to, it's not going to work.
00:36:09.000They're not, they're not going to put that baby back together.
00:36:16.000This is a broader problem that, and I think this will especially happen if the Supreme Court does give a declarator judgment that these ballots were kind of unlawful, but work it out in the political process, which is fine.
00:36:32.000But like I told you, because of the timing and really because just Republicans suck.
00:39:29.000I'm just telling you those for sure, but unfortunately, it's more than half of them.
00:39:35.000No, I know, but this is a great testing moment where we should start saying if all these other lawsuits and things fall apart, by January, don't go the way we want them to.
00:39:44.000By January 1st or 2nd, we should say any Republican that votes to certify this election in the Senate should be kicked out of the party.
00:40:16.000And I think it'll only expose further kind of the weakness of the Republicans.
00:40:20.000And so what you're saying, though, is that Lindsey Graham could be holding hearings right now to inform other senators to now block the certification on January 6th.
00:40:32.000And I don't know why it hasn't been done for a month.
00:40:34.000And again, just like a lot of people have already mentioned it was the duty of the state legislatures to get to the bottom of this.
00:40:40.000I would say people forget it's the duty of Congress because remember that ultimately the framers had to find a unified federal body to be that last step, right?
00:40:53.000Because I mean, you have a bunch of electors getting together in 50 different states.
00:41:46.000If the shoe were on the other foot, if the mail-ins were our thing, Democrats would have made it clear on November 4th.
00:41:55.000Forget about the state legislatures, but in the Senate, had they had the Senate, Republicans in the House, Trump is not the legitimate winner.
00:42:02.000He won it through the fraudulent mail-ins.
00:42:05.000We will decline to certify him as the winner.
00:42:08.000And if they would have had the power in 2016 to do that, they would have done that.
00:42:12.000In 2004, they tried with Ohio in the House.
00:42:15.000They didn't control the House back then, but they did have a point of order and they did contest it.
00:42:20.000And there was a little bit of a debate.
00:42:22.000You have, I think, two hours of debate.
00:42:24.000If you get a senator to sign your protest and they protested Ohio.
00:42:33.000And I think like, I just want to say a word, if you have a moment about the Georgia runoff.
00:42:40.000I just, there's a very, very sharp debate.
00:42:45.000And certainly on social media, I guess, even within, let's say, MAGA type of conservatives and Trump space over what to do with the Georgia runoffs.
00:43:44.000At least with a Republican, you could get your foot in the door and have your entire constituency get on their case on every issue every day between election day.
00:43:55.000But the problem is these very conservative commentators that are very passionate about the need to vote Republican, but I don't, and I'm fine with that in a vacuum, if that's your position.
00:44:07.000I respect that and that there's what to be said about it.
00:44:10.000But if you're that close with Leffler and Purdue and these, and you know, it's not just them, it's really most of them.
00:44:17.000Where are you every doggone day using that influence?
00:44:49.000And they voted to give a tech visa handout to these very companies while we have an election problem, a COVID fascism problem, a crime insurrection mob violence problem.
00:45:30.000This argument of ultimately, if you have a ballot in front of you, okay, you know, damn or Republican, what I do, I think that's a straw man if none of us do anything else aside from that stupid election, which takes three seconds to fill out.
00:45:44.000What are we doing every day for two years between the elections?
00:45:47.000Either, you know, pressuring them stronger to get better on the issues or fundamentally reforming the party, the way we view issues, our entire approach to politics.
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00:47:22.000Not about the social issues you and I care about.
00:47:24.000Not about stopping crime, not about stopping the mobs.
00:47:27.000For them, they look at senators as owned and operated enterprises of their corporate crusade.
00:47:33.000And you and I are free enterprise guys.
00:47:34.000We like private property, but we also don't like corporate tyranny when all of a sudden our public policy is created by for corporations at the expense of middle class workers.
00:47:44.000These lockdowns have been the greatest handout to corporate America in history, absent the hotel, airline, and cruise industry, but they'll get all their money, by the way.
00:47:54.000So they're going to be made new and all their smaller competitors will get wiped out.
00:47:57.000So long term, the hotel, restaurant, and cruise industry will be stronger in five years on the corporate level, like the ruling class level.
00:48:05.000So even they're exempt from this, but the data companies, the package delivery companies, that's what I call Amazon.
00:48:11.000They're just a package delivery company.
00:48:41.000And these people don't realize this because normal people and conservatives and people of faith, like both of us, are going to all of a sudden say, wait a second, we have put so much work into you.
00:48:51.000And yes, the guy that sometimes say stuff you don't like and tweet stuff you don't, that makes you wince, but he got more done in four years when he came onto the scene than you guys have done in 40 years.
00:49:05.000I'm going to all of a sudden basically beat the drum.
00:49:07.000Every Republic, this will be the defining test will be what Republicans in the United States Senate vote to certify this election on January 6th.
00:50:22.000We never forced the issue because, see, sometimes when you really confront each other, you have to start making a compromise, which in my view needs to be some sort of national divorce.
00:50:32.000And I don't necessarily mean like literally a two-state solution, but in a way where we could live agreeably in various states.
00:50:38.000Democrats already have this in their states.
00:51:18.000I mean, yeah, he's going to do his Iran thing and kiss up Tyran and Castro.
00:51:22.000There's not much you can do about that.
00:51:23.000But on domestic policy, which is really most of what's destroying our life now, Republicans are going to control 31 state legislatures and 24 states with the trifecta.
00:51:34.000A lot of those states have super majorities.
00:51:37.000In some like the Great Plains, the Democrats are wiped off the map.
00:51:40.000There's two Democrats left in the South Dakota legislature.
00:51:43.000And my point is this: you look at West Virginia, Republicans have greater majorities in the legislature than Democrats have in California.
00:51:53.000Yet, I listened to the Republican governor there, Jim Justice.
00:51:57.000He gave a speech about if only if masks only save one life.
00:52:57.000If we had Republicans that were worth more than a bucket of spit, you could have easily a third of the country that could be as MAGA as California is loony.
00:53:11.000And that is, those are people like Christine Noam and Ron DeSantis.
00:53:14.000And what ends up happening is they actually get more popular is that they actually persuade more people.
00:53:20.000And that is how Republican states actually become more Republican.
00:53:23.000When you have people like Governor Bergham or Kim Reynolds or Mike DeWine, all of a sudden they do mask mandates and they shut down their states, you become less popular.
00:53:33.000Ron DeSantis will win reelection in 2022 by maybe eight to 10 points in a state that used to be a competitive state.
00:53:42.000Because when you go drive through Winter Park or you go drive through Sarasota, all of a sudden, even the suburban moms are like, my kids are in school.
00:53:52.000If I'm scared, I'm going to stay at home.
00:53:53.000I'm not going to see the older people in my life, but he has got us back to life quicker than anyone else.
00:54:00.000And that's Ron DeSantis, who's just maligned by the media every single day.
00:54:04.000And what I'm hopeful for, though, Daniel, and I want your comments on this, is that I think that we're those of us that believe in the conservative movement, those of us that were part of the Tea Party move in 2010, where all of a sudden our ideas were given this huge platform.
00:54:18.000And then all of a sudden we saw what Boehner and all these people were really all about.
00:54:28.000And I hope people see the jarring contrast.
00:54:31.000Why do we keep mentioning Ron DeSantis?
00:54:34.000Because the problem is we can't find other names.
00:54:38.000I mean, there's 27 Republican governors and there's only two of them that are decent on the issue of our time, which literally affects our life more than anything it has.
00:55:27.000the overwhelming majority of your elected Republicans echoing, parroting, and implementing everything the left says, even on the most radical issues of our time.
00:55:45.000And again, I don't want to presuppose Biden as president, but I think if we're just talking in terms of planning forward, it wouldn't be that way if we were in charge.
00:55:53.000But unfortunately, the Republicans are the way they are.
00:55:55.000But there are actually a lot of opportunities.
00:55:58.000And the thing is, Obama won a much bigger mandate than Biden.
00:56:45.000I mean, they'll be out of favor with the electorate within six weeks when you no longer have Trump as the false flag for these suburban voters.
00:56:59.000That's the challenge because the problem we had last time is that all of the energy we created got jujitsued into this black hole of the GOP.
00:57:12.000It went into electing every Republican is anti-Biden.
00:57:17.000There's no principled Republican like a Republican hopelessly out of power.
00:57:28.000Never mind all of the opportunities they had to deal with it mechanically, but rhetorically during the campaign, they'll countenance our ideas and our rhetoric.
00:57:38.000And ironically, Charlie, here's the deal.
00:57:40.000It's the dudes that get the money from the chamber types that have the money to buy the name recognition to put out our stuff so they can then get in and do the opposite.
00:57:50.000And we elect the same Republican clowns, rinse and repeat the same cycle every decade.
00:57:58.000How do we finally change the vicious cycle and force a point where either you fundamentally reform the Republican Party or you start a new party, which I will just tell you, Charlie, if all of our colleagues would be on board with that, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
00:58:15.000You take the energy that's out there with Trump being shafted by Republicans now.
00:58:21.000Typically, people were reluctant to go down this route because they're like, well, I don't want three parties and you split the vote and Democrats win.
00:58:29.000I will tell you, if the people that complain about that would join in this, well, you'd have two parties because Bill Crystals don't exist in the real world.
00:58:40.000I mean, you don't have, there's no constituency for that.
00:58:43.000I mean, you have donors for that, but in large numbers, you don't have a constituency for we empower the Republican Party's existence.
00:58:53.000So, I'm just saying we need a do or die moment where either we come up with a way to finally take over the party, which in all honesty, I've worked at for 10 years and I don't really, and I don't say this in jest.
00:59:08.000I mean, the reason why I'm pushing a new party is because I've tried with the primaries.
00:59:34.000We all need to, I think people like you and I need to get together in a constitutional convention style meeting where we pray together and we recognize what we are doing and that includes myself.
00:59:45.000I'm speaking to myself is not working.
01:00:08.000And I'm not saying this is Trump's fault.
01:00:10.000I'm saying, Charlie, you could elect Ron DeSantis as president.
01:00:16.000But in the current framework of the Republican Party, he might be a little bit more intellectually coherent than Trump, but you're not going to, you're not going to change the issue.
01:00:30.000You're not going to be more successfully across the board than Trump was because you're going to have the same problems that basically the higher you get, the crap rises to the top.
01:00:43.000So you start off in the counties and maybe 30, 40% of county Republicans are good.
01:00:49.000You go to the state house, maybe about 30% of state house Republicans are good, but none of them are in leadership.
01:01:48.000I think we all know the rot is a lot deeper than that.
01:01:52.000I think that I think that the idea of party fracturing is inevitable.
01:01:57.000The only thing that I disagree with, though, is I think the Democrats should and will do it first.
01:02:02.000I think that they actually have a fault line that they've been completely ignoring philosophically.
01:02:07.000I actually think we can learn something from Trump that he should have capitalized on more, which is the number one issue that is underneath all of this, Daniel.
01:02:15.000And it's an issue that conservatives quite honestly ignored.
01:02:22.000And that is the money and politics issue.
01:02:24.000Normal people can understand this, that massive corporations purchase politicians for their political gain, to access to advantageous public policy, to be able to get laws, tax codes written in their favor.
01:02:40.000And the one reason why Trump was so attractive, despite everything they threw at him, is that he had this appearance, and it was true that he could not be bought.
01:02:48.000It's the number one thing that you would hear from grassroots conservatives and people that are first-time Trump voters is that he can't be bought.
01:02:55.000Now, Bernie Sanders had a similar type of appeal, awful public policy ideas.
01:02:59.000But one of the reasons that Bernie Sanders had a crossover with Trump is this idea that they could not be bought.
01:03:04.000One of the worst things that we did as conservatives is we embraced this deluge of corporate money post-Citizens United.
01:03:11.000Yeah, it's one of the worst things that we did.
01:03:12.000We started doing deals with the devil, all of a sudden, getting hundreds of millions of dollars from crony corporate interests that wanted to pander to China, keep the borders open, and then bow down to big tech.
01:03:22.000And then now we're living through this set of circumstances where our entire party has a laundry list of favors that they owe to some lobbyist or corporate master that does not have America's best interests at heart.
01:03:34.000And I actually think what's really promising and the direction the party is heading is a citizen-based party that has grassroots funded, that denies corporate money.
01:03:44.000And let me give you a little bit of hope, though.
01:03:46.000Matt Gates comes out and says, I'm not taking PAC money.
01:03:52.000And interestingly enough, only he and AOC, Rashida Talib, Ayana Presley, and Elon Omar are saying that.
01:03:58.000Now, the left, they have a built-in advantage because the left, they think of they're like the board from Star Trek.
01:04:04.000They think as a body, everyone puts in $5.
01:04:07.000That is my, that is their tithe, right?
01:04:10.000So, you know, you'll tithe to a synagogue, I tithe to a church.
01:04:13.000Like, we just think that's what we do.
01:04:15.000To them, they tithe to the Democrat Party, right?
01:04:17.000That is their church, that is their religion.
01:04:19.000So it's just easier for them to be able to raise small dollar donors.
01:04:22.000But I'm excited because we are starting to see a younger, more based, positive Republican that's different than the Tea Party wave, though.
01:05:08.000Because I think, and I'm trying to remember, it was this guy, David Shore, who's a really young whiz kid, strategist for Obama.
01:05:15.000He recently did an amazing interview, very insightful from a leftist perspective of where he sees the country.
01:05:22.000And he was very, he's a socialist, and he was very concerned that the Democrats are embracing the cultural Marxism, you know, like the open the borders and the criminal stuff and the transgender stuff.
01:05:34.000And he thinks that, you know, the fiscal socialism sells in his mind, and he thinks they're ruining it.
01:05:41.000And he was great seeing it from him because, you know, we always said he was like, you know, the Democrat base is actually more center.
01:05:49.000The vote, the actual Democrat voters are more to the center of where their party apparatus is.
01:05:53.000Whereas with Republicans, it's the opposite.
01:05:56.000And a lot of that's because the donors.
01:06:07.000And I think just to put a finer point on what you're saying with money and politics, it's also the focus and the money is driving that focus.
01:06:16.000And that's this whole tax cut business.
01:06:18.000Now, you and I, we understand the economics.
01:06:21.000We understand it's stupid to raise taxes.
01:06:25.000But I once wrote a whole thesis called Low Tax Socialism.
01:06:30.000And what Republicans have enabled in the last couple of decades is something very interesting.
01:06:36.000They've allowed the corporations to get off on the cheap, meaning Democrats have 100 things they want to do.
01:06:44.000Republicans bail them out from the two things that the corporations don't like about the Democrats, and then they could turn around and enforce cultural Marxism against us on the cheap without having to worry about empowering the Democrats because they'll destroy them.
01:07:00.000And what Republicans did, which was a big mistake, conservatism-free markets, and I think you've alluded to this.
01:07:16.000So, you know, in Europe, you have high-tax socialism, and I actually think it's better.
01:07:21.000The people are brainwashed, but that's where they are, but they have skin in the game.
01:07:25.000So, you have that 45% tax bracket that comes in very low at like 90,000 income in France, and they don't have all these deductions to lower your effective tax rate.
01:07:37.000The people feel the pain if that's what you want.
01:07:41.000Here, we found a great way with the Federal Reserve to basically, once we start with the deficit spending, you could just buy off everyone on the cheap.
01:07:50.000Taxes are relatively low for most people at a corporate and individual level.
01:07:58.000They shoot at the regulations that the big corporations don't like, which often their problem, but then they leave out others that are more affected small businesses, or they support policies like COVID fascism, which is the ultimate regulatory market distortion against small businesses.
01:08:15.000And then that's when they could turn around and say, Aha, now we got you.
01:08:21.000We got our tax cuts, we got our thing, so we don't have to fear the Democrats.
01:08:25.000Now, we could turn around and promote mass release of criminals, promote open borders, promote all the visa stuff, promote all the wokeness.
01:08:35.000And I think we also have to be more strategic when we deal with the money, with be more strategic with our issues.
01:08:43.000And you can have Republicans 100% righteous on taxes, but then horrible on every other fiscal and certainly social issue, because then you actually enable that.
01:08:56.000That's what we need to work on in the current years.
01:09:00.000I have no problem going to the corporations and saying, Hey, we're going to stand back and allow Democrats to raise back the corporate rate to maybe 30%.
01:09:11.000I don't think it's a good idea, but I'm just saying we have to do battle with them.
01:09:17.000And we're under a greater existential threat than just tax rates.
01:09:21.000What they're able to do with COVID fascism is greater than any tax or anything.
01:09:27.000And, you know, that's the way to do it.
01:09:31.000And also, frankly, not just the corporations, but the people as well.
01:09:34.000You know, a lot of these suburban households, let's face it, you know, taxes, unless you're earning a tremendous amount of money.
01:09:52.000We've had it for a while, except we have it with deficit spending because we control the dollar, which is why we have a worse COVID policy than Europe does.
01:10:02.000Most countries in Europe are not as tyrannical as America.
01:10:06.000And the reason is because they can't afford that.
01:10:08.000We just dump trillions of dollars at people.
01:10:24.000You know, this is how you get a more left-wing.
01:10:28.000You know, sometimes we could be so principled in a vacuum that you get a worse left-wing outcome than you'll ever get.
01:10:35.000So, we can't be imbalanced in our approach.
01:10:38.000You have to look at everything like, you know, I'm sympathetic to, hey, let's attract talent from the world, but you got to be careful.
01:10:46.000You can't allow China and India through Bill Gates starting in the 80s to monopolize it and culturally gerrymander our people out of jobs and then spawn trade theft and espionage based on that, like we're seeing with the whole, you know, Christine Fang business, you know, starting with the student visas, the 400,000 a year.
01:11:06.000This is the mistake our people have made.
01:11:26.000They have products that people are going to continue to buy.
01:11:29.000Jeff Bezos will only get wealthier with more dollars being infused into the market.
01:11:33.000Inflation is actually, it's a tax on working people into a gift to the rich.
01:11:38.000And this is exactly where the socialists are going to get their power is they're going to jerk they're going to demagogue a situation that cronyism has created.
01:12:29.000I can't find my own articles on Google because I've written so many and I can't often like, I try to like type in words that I know are in there and I can't find it.
01:12:47.000You could build a nuclear bomb, but you don't have a delivery system.
01:12:50.000This is the problem we have with that.
01:12:53.000This is why I think the NDAA is exactly the place to fight this.
01:12:58.000And of course, very few Republicans want to fight Section 230.
01:13:01.000I think we need to start fighting it on a state level, frankly, too.
01:13:05.000And I think maybe this is something to work with the DeSantis of the world and to start to go after big tech with the clamping down of freedom of speech.
01:13:16.000Because I think the mistake that I made early on is I saw the first generation of censorship and it was like, all right, it's kind of subtle.
01:13:55.000I mean, so it took, I had to see it myself.
01:13:58.000And I just, I don't see how we even, anything you and I want to do requires communication, whether it's a new party, whether it's a reform party, whether it's an issue focus, whether it's a grassroots campaign.
01:14:13.000Well, maybe we'll get together and have a bunch of Facebook pages to fight the lockdowns and organize.
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