The Charlie Kirk Show - Biden's Miraculous Mail In Ballot Margins EXPOSED with Daniel Horowitz

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00:03:17.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

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00:03:24.000 We are here with Daniel Horowitz, who is one of the smartest people on the planet.

00:03:28.000 I love reading everything he publishes.

00:03:30.000 It's always thoughtful and very interesting.

00:03:33.000 And Daniel, if my memory serves me correctly, we were on Life, Liberty, and Leven together.

00:03:37.000 I can't believe it.

00:03:38.000 It was a couple of years ago.

00:03:39.000 It's the last time we were there together.

00:03:41.000 And my gosh, how the world has changed since then.

00:03:44.000 You were warning then about everything we're living through.

00:03:46.000 Unfortunately, you're correct.

00:03:48.000 I wish you would have been wrong.

00:03:49.000 You have an amazing story that says a new analysis shows Biden winning nearly impossible margins on mail and ballots in Pennsylvania.

00:03:57.000 It's a great article.

00:03:59.000 We've referenced this three or four times on our radio program and our podcast.

00:04:03.000 Walk us through it.

00:04:04.000 Sure.

00:04:05.000 I mean, the important thing about all this, like any criminal case you put together, is that you look at all the circumstantial evidence.

00:04:11.000 Some cases are smoke.

00:04:12.000 You don't have the fire yet, but you have definitive fire in a general sense.

00:04:17.000 And in a specific sense, you see the smoke.

00:04:19.000 You put it together and you know there's something awry.

00:04:22.000 And basically, to begin with, we know the entire mail-in regime was built upon a series of decisions that were made not pursuant to law.

00:04:31.000 So the entire notion that you could have over two and a half million more mail-in ballots in a given state won election and then somehow have rejection rates 127th the level of where it was when you had fewer ballots.

00:04:45.000 You know right away, wait a minute, that doesn't really seem to add up.

00:04:49.000 But then when you delve into it, you see very specifically, it not only doesn't add up from a political science perspective, it's very contradictory.

00:05:00.000 And it all has the same common thread, the only common thread through all the contradictions.

00:05:05.000 And that is the mail-ins really didn't like Trump and they really liked Biden, even relative to other people in the same party.

00:05:16.000 So Biden seemed to always do better than other Democrats and mail-ins.

00:05:21.000 And Trump seemed to do worse, even relative to other Republicans.

00:05:26.000 And that's very important because everyone agrees that generally speaking, Democrats mailed out more mail-in ballots and Biden would get more mail-ins.

00:05:34.000 But I think what's important to realize is that none of us are asserting that Trump carried Pennsylvania or Wisconsin by 10, 15 points.

00:05:42.000 No, we're saying the same way they're trying to show Biden ahead by a half a percentage or so.

00:05:48.000 Really, Trump was on the other end by a half a percent or percent.

00:05:51.000 So you understand, Charlie, there's a big difference between winning 65% of the statewide mail-ins versus 77%.

00:05:59.000 So that's the general proposition.

00:06:01.000 The specifics we're seeing here is this: it's simple math.

00:06:05.000 Hats off to the Secretary of State of Pennsylvania for actually breaking down the ballot returns based on Election Day versus mail-ins.

00:06:16.000 And what you'll find is: if you already know the components of that sum, how many ballots Trump got for Election Day, how many for mail-ins.

00:06:28.000 And we also know the percentage breakdown of who mailed in mail-in ballots based on independent or non-affiliated Republican and Democrat.

00:06:41.000 It's simple math, simple arithmetic based on the numbers we know.

00:06:45.000 So I want to make it very clear: this is hard data.

00:06:48.000 Okay, this is not speculative.

00:06:51.000 In order to get the result that Biden got in total, he would have had to have gotten more than 80% of the independent vote, more than 21% of the Republican mail-in vote, meaning registered Republicans, registered indies, and 95% of Democrats.

00:07:11.000 And the problem with that is, from a political science standpoint, in the states where Democrats didn't really need to win, meaning either they were very blue or very red, you'd never, you didn't find that.

00:07:24.000 You could, you, you look at, for example, let's take the Republicans.

00:07:28.000 You want to tell me there's a little bit of a liberal bias in mail-in voters.

00:07:34.000 I could hear that.

00:07:36.000 Even within Republicans, maybe.

00:07:39.000 But there is no evidence of crossover Republicans.

00:07:42.000 I think we all saw that from the exit polling data lead up to the election.

00:07:46.000 There was a lot of talk that Trump was losing a lot of Republicans.

00:07:50.000 He might have bled a little bit with independents, not with Republicans.

00:07:50.000 Not true.

00:07:53.000 They actually turned out in record numbers for him.

00:07:56.000 The notion that he's going to get record numbers of Republicans as the average of total mail-in and election day.

00:08:03.000 But if you isolate mail-ins, 21% of registered Republicans went for Biden, that doesn't add up, nor does the 80% indies.

00:08:15.000 And actually, it's a little bit more than that because the 80% number wouldn't have gotten him to the break-even point that he got maybe 82%.

00:08:22.000 According to exit polls, in totality, Biden got about 53, 55% of independent vote.

00:08:30.000 You would have to have some sort of spread of Biden getting 35-40% of election day indies and 80-82% of mail-in independents.

00:08:41.000 Again, you could say there's a little bit more of a liberal bias, but these are the things that people who do auditing and accounting, these are the type of numbers you look for.

00:08:50.000 But let me just take it to the hammer here.

00:08:54.000 Where I think what brings this out completely is this: you look down ballot.

00:08:59.000 There's a lot of talk in several states about Biden-only mail-in ballots, which are very suspicious.

00:09:08.000 Now, people debate over them.

00:09:09.000 Well, look, there's a lot of people that they're not into the down ballot things.

00:09:13.000 The presidential race is the hot ticket.

00:09:16.000 That's what everyone focuses on.

00:09:19.000 And I guess implicit in that is an admission from the left that Democrats are more low-information voters.

00:09:25.000 So more of their dudes only fill out the presidential box.

00:09:28.000 All right.

00:09:29.000 I mean, maybe they're right about that.

00:09:30.000 Democrats tend to be more low info, and they probably have that.

00:09:35.000 Where more Democrats only fill out presidential ballot than Republicans do.

00:09:40.000 The problem is, if you look at the Pennsylvania situation, it basically takes out all those variables.

00:09:47.000 So there was a race for state auditor and a separate race for state treasurer.

00:09:52.000 Very obscure Republicans that nobody ever heard of first-time candidates.

00:09:56.000 They actually won.

00:09:56.000 They flipped the seats.

00:09:58.000 They won with fewer votes than Trump, supposedly losing.

00:10:03.000 Now, okay, you could say there's less of a universe because fewer people fill out the down-the-ballot things.

00:10:08.000 Well, what's interesting is this: both of those Republicans, even though they got fewer votes in total than Trump, they got more raw votes than Trump on mail-ins, fewer substantially on election day.

00:10:24.000 Hold that thought.

00:10:24.000 All right, well, you know, maybe people logically, you would think, and I know I felt this personally on election day.

00:10:32.000 You wait there for an hour, you feel very pressured, you feel like you might want to make room for the next person.

00:10:37.000 You're there for an hour.

00:10:39.000 Maybe you're not going to sit and read the ballot questions.

00:10:42.000 You're less careful to fill them out.

00:10:44.000 Okay, I got my Trump.

00:10:45.000 If you're a Democrat, I got my Biden.

00:10:47.000 Okay, got that there.

00:10:48.000 But if you're filling out a ballot in the comfort of your home, you got all the time in the world.

00:10:53.000 Maybe you could look up on the internet who is this auditor person I never heard of.

00:10:58.000 And maybe that's why there's more down-the-ballot votes, more Republican voters on through mail-ins filled out down the ballot than election day Republicans.

00:11:12.000 You switch to the attorneys general race where the Democrat won.

00:11:16.000 Dan Shapiro is not as well known as Trump and Biden, but he's very well known.

00:11:21.000 I mean, he's been all over the place in Pennsylvania, much more so than the auditor and treasurer.

00:11:25.000 So, well, wait a minute.

00:11:26.000 I mean, if the down-the-ballot dudes did better in mail-ins, you would sure as heck expect Dan Shapiro, who overall won by the largest margin statewide of anyone, presidential auditor, treasurer.

00:11:42.000 You would expect him to really do much better relative to Biden and mail-ins.

00:11:46.000 Nope, there it's the opposite.

00:11:49.000 There, it turns out that he did better than Biden with election day votes.

00:11:56.000 But when it comes to mail-ins, Biden did better than even Dan Shapiro did.

00:12:02.000 You put, and I know that took a little bit of time to put together, but this is kind of that circumstantial evidence.

00:12:07.000 You put it all together that certainly, once we know that they're not matching the signatures, and we know that they had the curable ballots, but just in Allegheny and Philadelphia, and we know that they kicked after Republican inspectors even after the court said you have to do it, dude.

00:12:22.000 Where there's fire and there's smoke, there's even more fire.

00:12:26.000 What could explain this?

00:12:28.000 Because you have this unbelievable.

00:12:29.000 I mean, you're walking through this article, and everyone to check it out.

00:12:31.000 New analysis shows Biden winning by it's magical, right?

00:12:34.000 This is Houdini.

00:12:35.000 This is there's there's no way that this happens organically.

00:12:39.000 What you just walked us through here.

00:12:41.000 And what could possibly explain this?

00:12:44.000 Well, I mean, just off the bat, there's no way that you could have 27 times or 27 times greater acceptance rate with 10 times greater number of mail-in ballots.

00:12:58.000 When all Nate Silver was warning about this, New York Times did a whole article in the lead up to the election.

00:13:03.000 They were quoting studies that there's three times the rejection rate among first-timers who aren't used to filling out absentee ballots.

00:13:11.000 There's just, I mean, you put it all together.

00:13:12.000 We, we, we know there's no way.

00:13:14.000 And the only answer is, and unless someone has a better answer, is that you had a bunch of ballots.

00:13:20.000 And I'm not saying all 2.6 million mail-ins were fraudulent.

00:13:23.000 A lot of Democrats legitimately voted through mail.

00:13:26.000 But again, we're not talking about 2.6 million fraud.

00:13:29.000 We're talking about 100, 200,000 ballots that were harvested and handed in by third-party officials and organizations that had Biden-only ballots and not Trump ballots.

00:13:44.000 And that's how you have a scenario where Biden does so much better than Trump, even relative to all the down the ballot candidates, inversely so between the Democrat Attorney General and Republican auditor and treasurer.

00:14:01.000 I think there's multiple parts of that.

00:14:03.000 There was the voter registration part of it, which was actually registering faulty voters.

00:14:07.000 90-plus-year-olds saw a massive spike in voter registration in Pennsylvania, a 1,774% increase in voter registration in Pennsylvania.

00:14:15.000 Then there's the ballot laundering practices where it's just the interception, filling out and cleaning of the ballots.

00:14:21.000 So you put them in these massive drop boxes that were funded by the Center for Technology and Civic Life.

00:14:26.000 Then I think there were shenanigans in the vote counting process, actually the tabulation, vote seers that weren't allowed access, all of this.

00:14:33.000 Daniel, you're one of the most rational, one of the most reasoned-based writers and thinkers out there.

00:14:40.000 Everything you do is rooted in reason, which is why I like reading what you write.

00:14:44.000 There's not a lot of conjecture.

00:14:45.000 Is it fair to say this election was stolen?

00:14:48.000 I would say yes.

00:14:49.000 And the reason is this: it's not like we're coming out of nowhere.

00:14:53.000 This was done in broad daylight, meaning the foundation for this, and let's leave the whole Dominion part out of it.

00:15:00.000 Let's just even, I'm not even getting to that.

00:15:02.000 The foundation of this, there's election law fraud and this ballot fraud.

00:15:07.000 The election law fraud we saw up front.

00:15:09.000 I mean, you just had executives in these states aided and abetted by lower courts.

00:15:18.000 And by the way, this is important because a lot of people are like, oh, how dare you get the federal, the Supreme Court involved in a federal question.

00:15:23.000 Well, the reason why you don't have matching signatures in Pennsylvania is because the League of Women Voters went to the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, which is a federal court, and that got the Secretary of State to create this settlement where they didn't do it.

00:15:36.000 Well, I mean, it's the Supreme Court's got to clean up the mess of their lower court. 0.74

00:15:40.000 They created an environment for them to do this out in the open.

00:15:44.000 So, it's not like we're conjecturing and speculating.

00:15:47.000 Well, maybe they had this crazy fraud.

00:15:49.000 Mail-ins have been known to be fraudulent since McClellan's time in 1864.

00:15:54.000 I mean, heck, the Washington Post wrote a article on that in the summer, you know, when this wasn't viewed as what would determine the election.

00:16:04.000 And now that you have an entire electorate put on an unverifiable mail-in system, it's obvious it was.

00:16:13.000 And I'll tell you this: you know, whenever it's Trump at stake, so it automatically becomes super political and no one's going to think about it rationally.

00:16:20.000 Anyone who supports Trump is going to say it's stolen.

00:16:22.000 Anyone who doesn't say it's says not.

00:16:25.000 But you take a look at systemically the mail-in ballots, even where the presidential election wasn't in contention.

00:16:32.000 Look at New York.

00:16:33.000 They're still counting it.

00:16:35.000 They still don't have races determined.

00:16:38.000 You have judges there, county judges in District 22.

00:16:42.000 That's Claudia Tenney's district, saying we have a major problem here.

00:16:45.000 Okay, this is not, this is not even Republican judges.

00:16:49.000 This is not in the states that matter.

00:16:51.000 This is in New York, where the mail-ins broke the system.

00:16:55.000 I mean, that was done openly.

00:16:57.000 We openly know there's been fraud like this in the inner cities for years.

00:17:01.000 So you marry the two, you marry the desire, which we know is there, the organizations, which we know are out there, with the open opportunity that state Supreme Courts, lower federal courts, and various secretaries of states and governors accorded them.

00:17:17.000 It flows like butter.

00:17:18.000 And I think, Charlie, the only question is, how deep does it run?

00:17:23.000 But if you look at the margins and you look at what they are alleging that Biden achieved through those very mail-ins, it is pretty safe to say that he likely won Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by at least those margins that he supposedly lost them by.

00:17:45.000 And so what's stunning is that typically in elections, things work in patterns.

00:17:50.000 They work in waves.

00:17:52.000 You're able to see certain trends emerge.

00:17:54.000 One of the things that fascinates me the most about politics is how someone that lives in Parkersburg, West Virginia, will think very similar to someone that lives 2,000 miles away in northern Minnesota.

00:18:05.000 They have similar demographics.

00:18:07.000 They have similar ways of viewing information.

00:18:09.000 They have similar patterns to life and similar values.

00:18:12.000 What makes no sense whatsoever is how regionally it seems that President Trump was able to win historically and decisively.

00:18:20.000 The best example of this is Florida, Florida that had almost all their votes in by 9:30 Eastern.

00:18:25.000 They have a phenomenal governor, Governor Ron DeSantis, who's a total hero and a friend of mine.

00:18:29.000 He deserves recognition.

00:18:31.000 And at the last count, it looks like that Donald Trump will win Florida by 3.8 points, which is a blowout by Florida standards.

00:18:38.000 I mean, that is a, that's like winning California by 25 points, just to give you an idea.

00:18:43.000 That is an unbelievable blowout in Florida.

00:18:46.000 Greater than Obama in 2008.

00:18:48.000 That's correct.

00:18:49.000 Think about that.

00:18:50.000 Trump won Florida more decisively than Obama did in 2008 against a weak candidate, McCain, and a referendum on the Republicans, war weariness, all that sort of stuff.

00:18:59.000 How is it possible that Georgia was lost?

00:19:01.000 I cannot process it.

00:19:02.000 You win North Carolina by 100,000 votes.

00:19:05.000 You win Florida decisively.

00:19:06.000 Alabama, you win by 30 points, whatever it was.

00:19:09.000 Tennessee, you win regionally, there was this wave, except in Georgia.

00:19:13.000 The same thing in Pennsylvania.

00:19:15.000 President Trump did unbelievably well in Ohio, really well, eight and a half points, I think, at the last tabulation.

00:19:21.000 He did super well in Iowa, seven points.

00:19:24.000 Yet, for whatever reason, it was Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

00:19:27.000 So let me play devil's advocate, if I can, really quick.

00:19:30.000 They say it's because Joe Biden focused on those states.

00:19:34.000 It's because he ran ads there and he didn't care about those other states.

00:19:38.000 How is that incorrect?

00:19:39.000 Well, he did focus on them, all right.

00:19:41.000 But he didn't have a ground game much, but he had an underground game, and that's what we see.

00:19:46.000 Look, we might have thought Ohio was safe Republican.

00:19:50.000 That was not from the polling data.

00:19:52.000 That was the polling data had it about even there.

00:19:55.000 They absolutely did run there.

00:19:57.000 He ran.

00:19:58.000 He visited there.

00:20:01.000 He visited Iowa until pretty late.

00:20:04.000 The common threat of Florida, Iowa, and Ohio is that Republicans fully shut down.

00:20:10.000 the ballot harvesting.

00:20:12.000 So, I mean, Ron wasn't having any of that garbage in Florida, but in Ohio, even where you have a very weak Republican, but the Attorney General had a very hard-fought victory in the Supreme Court.

00:20:21.000 It took about four years to clean the rolls. 0.58

00:20:24.000 If you remember, Supreme Court, it was one of the most landmark rulings we've had recently on election law.

00:20:30.000 They've had that there in Iowa.

00:20:31.000 They didn't have any of the problems.

00:20:33.000 So you look at the Rust Belt and it's very asymmetrical.

00:20:37.000 And let me flesh this out.

00:20:40.000 So going into election night, a lot of us were saying, look, we already knew he was going to win Iowa and Ohio.

00:20:48.000 We knew the polls were wrong.

00:20:50.000 But like, if he only wins those states by 2-3, you're going to have a problem.

00:20:54.000 But he wound up winning Ohio.

00:20:57.000 Like, let me just say this.

00:20:58.000 He won Mahoning County.

00:21:00.000 That's Youngstown. 0.86

00:21:01.000 That is the FDR coalition.

00:21:03.000 He did very well in it last time, came close.

00:21:05.000 He flipped it.

00:21:07.000 It would shock the consciousness of anyone five years ago to say, you're going to have a Republican win Youngstown.

00:21:14.000 Barack Obama won it by about 35 points.

00:21:17.000 Mahoning, Youngstown is eerie.

00:21:20.000 That little dividing line there in Pennsylvania, Western CA.

00:21:25.000 It's irrelevant, except for college football is the only difference where Eastern Ohio views themselves as different.

00:21:31.000 But to me, it doesn't make sense.

00:21:33.000 He just about didn't make it in Youngstown last time.

00:21:37.000 This time he flipped it, but then you went backwards in Erie.

00:21:40.000 The Erie Youngstown thing makes no sense to me.

00:21:44.000 Broadly speaking, you look at the upper Midwest and the Rust Belt.

00:21:47.000 It makes no sense.

00:21:49.000 And then, you know, obviously in Cleveland, you know, the black turnout is down.

00:21:56.000 Trump shaves off a few points from that too.

00:21:59.000 And then suddenly, exactly where they need it in Atlanta, in Wisconsin, Milwaukee, and Detroit.

00:22:09.000 And look, you know, you want to tell me it was a little bit more leaning red in Ohio, fine, but the polls had it dead even.

00:22:15.000 It wasn't like saying it's Idaho or something.

00:22:17.000 And if anything, the polls, you know, the WSB poll had Trump up for in Georgia.

00:22:23.000 So in other words, the RCP average did not have Trump doing better in Ohio than Georgia.

00:22:28.000 That's the reality.

00:22:29.000 They're about the same deal.

00:22:31.000 But then let me add another thing in there too.

00:22:34.000 You look at Minnesota, and I'll never forget, I thought Trump would flip it.

00:22:38.000 And the reason is this: Minnesota, Trump lost it by just 1.4 percentage last time.

00:22:45.000 There's been a realignment there. 0.53

00:22:46.000 It's very much non-college educated whites. 0.85

00:22:49.000 And like I never had him winning New Hampshire, very college educated. 0.99

00:22:54.000 Even though that was the closest margin last time, I felt he would lose it.

00:22:58.000 We know he was bleeding in the suburbs, but that was already baked into the cake.

00:23:02.000 You said Florida.

00:23:03.000 Florida is a great example.

00:23:06.000 What we did is we did an analysis and looked at Miami-Dade County.

00:23:09.000 There was a revolution there.

00:23:11.000 Trump did worse than typical Republicans among the Cubans four years ago. 0.94

00:23:16.000 And then now he did better than ever.

00:23:18.000 But so you might say, oh, that's different.

00:23:20.000 Miami-Dade had that whole flip.

00:23:21.000 But even if you take it out, Trump still would have won Florida.

00:23:25.000 Meaning, if you would have given Biden's, if you would give Biden Hillary's margin in Miami-Dade, Trump still would have won by more than he won last time.

00:23:34.000 So that tells you, yes, we know the bleeding in Tampa suburbs, Hillsborough, Duval and Jacksonville.

00:23:41.000 That was accounted for.

00:23:43.000 We understood that, but he still won.

00:23:45.000 So that equivalent in the Milwaukee suburbs, in the Detroit suburbs, in the Pennsylvania suburbs, that was baked into the cake already.

00:23:54.000 But the notion that somehow you would slide backwards.

00:23:57.000 So again, he won by 1.4, okay?

00:24:00.000 Lost it by 1.4 in Minnesota.

00:24:02.000 This time, we are to believe he lost Minnesota by more than seven points back to pre-realignment Romney.

00:24:10.000 That's Romney's margin of loss there.

00:24:13.000 While Republicans flipped two congressional seats and five state legislative seats there, but the difference is those weren't in the Twin Cities metro where Biden blew out Obama's margins.

00:24:28.000 And that state wasn't.

00:24:29.000 He was, well, that was not a focal point state.

00:24:32.000 That was a little bit more like the gravy on top.

00:24:34.000 Trump didn't need to win it.

00:24:35.000 And they got it there too.

00:24:37.000 So you see what I'm saying?

00:24:38.000 They didn't focus in there.

00:24:40.000 And I could go on to New Mexico is a similar thing. 0.55

00:24:42.000 I'm not saying that Trump won New Mexico, but that the notion that he lost it by 11, Trump's two big things are non-college educated and Hispanics, he did much better.

00:24:53.000 That's what New Mexico is all about.

00:24:54.000 I'm not saying he won it, but he slid backwards while Republicans flipped a house seat and flipped some seats in the legislature there.

00:25:02.000 It just, it doesn't add up.

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00:26:52.000 Well, and Minnesota is very perplexing because if you remember, the Iron Range mayors all came out for Donald Trump, that Duluth, northeastern part of Minnesota was extremely pro-Trump.

00:27:04.000 We're supposed to believe that Trump lost Minnesota by seven points.

00:27:08.000 No way. 1.00

00:27:09.000 And we have documented evidence, thanks to James O'Keefe, of ballot harvesting in the Somali community. 1.00

00:27:15.000 That's what they do. 1.00

00:27:17.000 And by the way, there was no arrests, no investigations. 0.92

00:27:21.000 Our FBI is completely useless.

00:27:23.000 Our Department of Justice might as well not exist.

00:27:25.000 We don't even have a justice system anymore in our country.

00:27:28.000 And so, Daniel, we win Ohio by eight.

00:27:32.000 We win Iowa by seven, Florida by nearly four.

00:27:37.000 And so the dividing line argument is perfect because Mohonig County, I know a lot of people that grew up there.

00:27:42.000 My dear friend Tom Patrick grew up in Youngstown, Ohio, and that was a Democrat stronghold.

00:27:47.000 They passed down their Catholicism, they passed down their Democrat values and their love of Ohio State football.

00:27:52.000 That's it.

00:27:53.000 Erie, Pennsylvania is the same way.

00:27:55.000 Erie, Pennsylvania is a steel town.

00:27:58.000 It was deindustrialized.

00:27:59.000 That's one of those Trump Obama towns.

00:28:04.000 But despite Trump doing a rally in Erie, Pennsylvania the week before, we're supposed to believe that Joe Biden, who never visited there at all whatsoever in Erie, Pennsylvania, did better there.

00:28:15.000 What with all that evidence presented to us, and you and I both believing that this election is stolen, what is the remedy at this point forward?

00:28:23.000 What is the best way to expose this through all the standards of evidence that is needed in a court of law?

00:28:30.000 What's the best way to proceed?

00:28:32.000 You know, I don't think you could do it in a court of law in that amount of time because to put together a judicial case, you need, I mean, a criminal case like this would take a year to put together.

00:28:43.000 I do think the court cases are important to fuel the political solution, which we could talk about, just in the sense of telling us what the law is.

00:28:52.000 And I think I know Ken Paxon's lawsuit is asking to push off the safe harbor date, but I think fundamentally what it's about when they write it in there is declatory judgment of just saying, look, tell us what the law is.

00:29:06.000 Fundamentally, these ballots that were cast in those four states through mail-ins, were they done through unlawful means?

00:29:14.000 And the answer really should be yes.

00:29:15.000 And I think it's important, at least a court saying that.

00:29:18.000 Now, what are they going to do with it?

00:29:19.000 You know, me, I'm not into judicial supremacism.

00:29:22.000 And I don't think they could just say, oh, I think Trump won.

00:29:24.000 No, nothing.

00:29:25.000 But what that should do is fuel the Republicans who control the legislatures in all four states to not just have the backbenchers try to eke out one committee hearing per state, but it's already late in the game.

00:29:40.000 They should have been doing this for weeks already.

00:29:43.000 And leadership in all their respective states should have supported it.

00:29:46.000 And really, as Mark Levin was pushing, they should have passed a concurrent resolution before the election, which would have given them more just moral authority rather than like, oh, you don't like the election results.

00:29:57.000 She said, look, I mean, we didn't authorize this.

00:30:00.000 These are unilateral changes.

00:30:01.000 These votes are non-void.

00:30:03.000 And you appoint your.

00:30:05.000 And see, it sounds dramatic to say, I'm going to appoint Trump electors, but I think if they would take what I gave over to you in 20 minutes and flesh this out day in and day out on televised hearings and have a united Republican Party, it would reach the point where it would make sense for the people to do what you did in 1876.

00:30:25.000 And it's actually very similar.

00:30:28.000 Back then, as today, Republicans controlled the Senate, Democrats controlled the House.

00:30:34.000 Each one believed as strongly in their position as the other one did.

00:30:39.000 They had competing slates of electors.

00:30:42.000 The House wouldn't sign off on Hayes.

00:30:44.000 The Senate wouldn't sign off on Tilden.

00:30:47.000 And what you would do is, and I'm not trying to say I necessarily would favor this, but let me just give your audience some sense of how that would work out.

00:30:54.000 They're like, all right, the Republican Hayes is going to be president.

00:30:58.000 So they had a commission and they had to make a political compromise.

00:31:01.000 It's in the 11th hour, right before the inauguration.

00:31:05.000 They weren't going to hold another election, but they realized the election was screwed up and you had to make a compromise. 0.56

00:31:10.000 And they agreed upon Hayes being the president, but they gave the Democrats the biggest thing they wanted, which was an end of Reconstruction. 0.57

00:31:17.000 And I think the equivalent of that today would be, and I'm not saying I agree with only this. 0.60

00:31:23.000 I'm just throwing out one thing. 0.61

00:31:25.000 Okay, Biden could be president, but we get the equivalent of ending Reconstruction, which could be ending COVID fascism.

00:31:33.000 It could be speaking to this very issue, end mail and ballot and ballot harvesting and having universal photo ID and proof of citizenship to register, the list of five things we want.

00:31:47.000 But the problem, Charlie, and you know, this is my passion, and every issue gets back to this, in that we only have 10% of Republicans, 10 to 20% in a given state, elected Republicans, that believe in their position or their presumed position as strongly as 100% of the Democrats believe in theirs.

00:32:10.000 So the problem is we're never unfortunately going to get to that point because the Democrats don't have a reason to deal with us and negotiate and have a grand compromise because they get it for free.

00:32:20.000 Because if this came to the Senate, how many would withhold certification?

00:32:25.000 Five, eight?

00:32:27.000 I mean, it's nowhere close to 51 or the 53 votes they currently have officially.

00:32:33.000 And again, you can't reinvent the wheel in one shot.

00:32:35.000 It would have had to have been done the last few weeks.

00:32:38.000 The state legislature is banging away.

00:32:40.000 People would be convinced by this.

00:32:42.000 There's so much more where this comes from.

00:32:44.000 And then I think it would have made sense.

00:32:46.000 And then once you have their electors, then it becomes ultimately, it's really between the House and the Senate.

00:32:52.000 That's the final step of the process.

00:32:56.000 But I mean, Charlie, this is the same reason why Republicans control 31 state legislatures and 24 trifectos, and COVID fascism in West Virginia and Ohio looks like it does in California.

00:33:08.000 I mean, there's not much of a difference.

00:33:11.000 This is why criminals are being released in Houston like they are in New York.

00:33:16.000 I mean, we have a broken Republican Party.

00:33:19.000 And I think that's really what this whole saga unfortunately reveals.

00:33:23.000 No, you're exactly right.

00:33:25.000 And also, there's so many Republicans that are running to the hills not talking about this, which is why you deserve a lot of credit.

00:33:30.000 And so does the great one for actually highlighting this and diving into this.

00:33:34.000 So, Daniel, just playing this out, if we are not successful in being able to prove this, and you're right, time is a constraint.

00:33:40.000 The only date that is in the Constitution from this point forward is January 20th.

00:33:44.000 These meetings of electors can be moved.

00:33:47.000 That's all a bunch of nonsense.

00:33:48.000 But usually you have months to put together a lawsuit.

00:33:52.000 You have a lot of time.

00:33:54.000 Now, January 6th might actually be the counting of the electors.

00:33:57.000 That might be a legitimate date.

00:34:00.000 But Daniel, if we do not get clarity on what happened here, I think that our leaders are underestimating what's going to happen next.

00:34:09.000 I was just with a group of very successful CEOs, self-made business people that all love Trump and they're all conservative, about 90 of them.

00:34:20.000 Every single one of them believe it was stolen.

00:34:23.000 Half of them think Trump is serving a second term.

00:34:26.000 Half.

00:34:26.000 They think that it's just happening.

00:34:30.000 And so we're headed to somewhere very dangerous where you're not going to trust any elections.

00:34:37.000 You're not going to trust anything our leaders say.

00:34:39.000 It'll be a shadow.

00:34:40.000 It'll be a complete and total mirage government.

00:34:42.000 Like, yeah, okay, whatever.

00:34:43.000 You're not the legitimate ruler.

00:34:45.000 And it's not even the way that the left did it, where it's like, you're not my president, where it was just kind of this pent up anger that I wish we wouldn't have lost.

00:34:51.000 It'll be actual resentment that you shouldn't even be there.

00:34:56.000 Can you talk about the significance of this as far as just keeping our country together?

00:35:00.000 See, what a lot of these Republicans don't realize is this reckoning was a come-in for a long time.

00:35:08.000 It's ironically Trump that held it together.

00:35:10.000 I mean, one of the reasons, if there's one thing I resented about Trump, it was actually because I wanted this moment to come earlier.

00:35:18.000 And his presence kind of excited the base and rejuvenated the Republican Party, which I felt in the long run was just too irremediably broken.

00:35:27.000 And it would just, you know, we'd be back in this position.

00:35:30.000 If, you know, when he rides off into the sunset, which of course he's not going to go away in that sense, but I mean, presumably Biden will wind up assuming the office.

00:35:40.000 They don't realize they think they could just go back to the Romney Republican Party.

00:35:46.000 That's not going to, I mean, people, once they got the stake, they're not going back to the veggies.

00:35:50.000 And that's just not, that's not going to happen.

00:35:52.000 So I think before the country, just in terms of the Republican Party, they don't seem to understand you could insult people into voting Republican.

00:36:02.000 You could patronize them and threaten them.

00:36:04.000 And you might even have good arguments, but I mean, it's not going to, it's not going to work.

00:36:09.000 They're not, they're not going to put that baby back together.

00:36:13.000 And I think, look, you're right.

00:36:16.000 This is a broader problem that, and I think this will especially happen if the Supreme Court does give a declarator judgment that these ballots were kind of unlawful, but work it out in the political process, which is fine. 0.99

00:36:32.000 But like I told you, because of the timing and really because just Republicans suck. 0.97

00:36:36.000 I mean, that's really what it is. 0.99

00:36:38.000 I want to make that very clear.

00:36:40.000 You said January 6th matters.

00:36:42.000 It does.

00:36:42.000 You're right.

00:36:43.000 That's the final step.

00:36:45.000 That's the certification.

00:36:46.000 People think it's the electors meeting in their state houses on December 14th.

00:36:50.000 I mean, this is what 1876 was all about.

00:36:50.000 It's not true.

00:36:53.000 It was the Senate Republicans and the House Democrats would not sign off on it.

00:36:58.000 That was the stalemate.

00:36:59.000 They had to create a commission.

00:37:00.000 They had two more months back then to March.

00:37:03.000 That could be done.

00:37:04.000 I mean, Senate Republicans could stop Biden.

00:37:06.000 I mean, that could be done even without the state legislators creating a slate.

00:37:12.000 They could just challenge the results and say, we're not certifying Biden.

00:37:15.000 To be clear, that can happen.

00:37:17.000 They won't do it.

00:37:18.000 And I think.

00:37:19.000 So the Senate can stop the certification on January 6th.

00:37:25.000 Well, let me be clear.

00:37:27.000 I'm not talking about stopping the process.

00:37:28.000 They could vote not to certify or decline to affirmatively certify it.

00:37:32.000 I mean, that's the thing.

00:37:33.000 The House will get it because that's not a state delegation vote.

00:37:37.000 It's not, you know, when like the 12th Amendment, when no one gets a majority, that's going to be a simple vote.

00:37:42.000 Democrats have the votes.

00:37:43.000 They'll vote it out of the House.

00:37:44.000 The Senate will not.

00:37:46.000 I mean, the Senate could say, we believe Trump won.

00:37:49.000 We're not certifying it.

00:37:51.000 That's what 1876, that's what happened then.

00:37:55.000 And so then you get to a constitutional stalemate, basically.

00:38:00.000 A stalemate where you have to appoint a commission and negotiate.

00:38:04.000 You have to, I mean, everyone calls it a corrupt bargain. 0.72

00:38:07.000 And I'm certainly not blessing the tragic Jim Crow things that came out of the end of Reconstruction and everything. 0.74

00:38:14.000 But from a political standpoint, I mean, they did work it out that one got the presidency and one got the biggest issue they wanted.

00:38:21.000 And I think more than even not wanting Biden as president, I think we want the situation fixed.

00:38:30.000 And it would be nice if we could come together and say, okay, Biden will be president, but these five election anomalies are over with.

00:38:38.000 So that at least in the future, we could strive to win and trust elections.

00:38:43.000 But again, we can't even strive to that because Republicans are fragging the effort.

00:38:49.000 So Democrats are just sitting back and laughing.

00:38:51.000 It's a bunch of wackos like Charlie and Daniel and not the real smart conservatives. 0.90

00:38:58.000 I could tell you this, though. 1.00

00:38:59.000 Here's what's going to happen.

00:39:00.000 I thought it was just the House that had to certify.

00:39:02.000 I don't know why I was under that belief.

00:39:03.000 No, it's both.

00:39:05.000 So, and is it majoritarian or is it two-thirds vote that is needed?

00:39:08.000 No, majority, straight majority.

00:39:10.000 So Dems easily have it, but Republicans officially, in other words, you need 51 votes in the Senate to certify Biden as the winner.

00:39:20.000 No, I get that.

00:39:21.000 And so if you count Romney and Murkowski and Collins and all the typical turncoats.

00:39:27.000 To me, but it's much more than that.

00:39:29.000 I'm just telling you those for sure, but unfortunately, it's more than half of them.

00:39:35.000 No, I know, but this is a great testing moment where we should start saying if all these other lawsuits and things fall apart, by January, don't go the way we want them to.

00:39:44.000 By January 1st or 2nd, we should say any Republican that votes to certify this election in the Senate should be kicked out of the party.

00:39:50.000 That should be the official position.

00:39:52.000 Exactly.

00:39:53.000 And everyone's focusing on Mo Brooks from Alabama.

00:39:55.000 He's saying he's going to protest in the House.

00:39:57.000 And God bless him for saying that.

00:39:59.000 But let's keep our focus.

00:40:01.000 They ultimately don't have the votes. 0.57

00:40:03.000 Now, it would gum up the works.

00:40:05.000 They would challenge each state delegation.

00:40:07.000 It would take hours.

00:40:08.000 But eventually, where you stop it is in the Senate where they do officially have a majority.

00:40:13.000 Yeah.

00:40:14.000 And so we do have a majority.

00:40:16.000 And I think it'll only expose further kind of the weakness of the Republicans.

00:40:20.000 And so what you're saying, though, is that Lindsey Graham could be holding hearings right now to inform other senators to now block the certification on January 6th.

00:40:31.000 Is that right?

00:40:32.000 Absolutely.

00:40:32.000 And I don't know why it hasn't been done for a month.

00:40:34.000 And again, just like a lot of people have already mentioned it was the duty of the state legislatures to get to the bottom of this.

00:40:40.000 I would say people forget it's the duty of Congress because remember that ultimately the framers had to find a unified federal body to be that last step, right?

00:40:53.000 Because I mean, you have a bunch of electors getting together in 50 different states.

00:40:58.000 Well, what if there's a problem?

00:41:00.000 What if there's a contested thing?

00:41:02.000 It's a federal union.

00:41:03.000 Now, they didn't want Congress picking the president.

00:41:06.000 You know, that was one construction they had in the Constitutional Convention.

00:41:09.000 Maybe like they vote and select the president.

00:41:12.000 No, you vote in the states, but ultimately they are the ones that sign off on that.

00:41:18.000 Remember, Mike Pence as the VP is the one who presides ironically in the House over that certification process.

00:41:27.000 And he could say, look, we're taking the Republican slate.

00:41:31.000 Now, Democrats would have to vote it down and they would have the votes.

00:41:36.000 But if all the Republicans in the House would do it, that's something to look at.

00:41:40.000 And then ultimately, it has to go to the Senate.

00:41:42.000 And I'll tell you this much, Charlie.

00:41:46.000 If the shoe were on the other foot, if the mail-ins were our thing, Democrats would have made it clear on November 4th.

00:41:55.000 Forget about the state legislatures, but in the Senate, had they had the Senate, Republicans in the House, Trump is not the legitimate winner.

00:42:02.000 He won it through the fraudulent mail-ins.

00:42:05.000 We will decline to certify him as the winner.

00:42:08.000 And if they would have had the power in 2016 to do that, they would have done that.

00:42:12.000 In 2004, they tried with Ohio in the House.

00:42:15.000 They didn't control the House back then, but they did have a point of order and they did contest it.

00:42:20.000 And there was a little bit of a debate.

00:42:22.000 You have, I think, two hours of debate.

00:42:24.000 If you get a senator to sign your protest and they protested Ohio.

00:42:29.000 I mean, they fight.

00:42:30.000 They fight for their causes.

00:42:33.000 And I think like, I just want to say a word, if you have a moment about the Georgia runoff.

00:42:40.000 I just, there's a very, very sharp debate.

00:42:45.000 And certainly on social media, I guess, even within, let's say, MAGA type of conservatives and Trump space over what to do with the Georgia runoffs.

00:42:56.000 And I have a third position on it.

00:42:58.000 You know, so some are like, well, you always have to vote Republican at all costs.

00:43:01.000 How dare you give it to the Democrats?

00:43:03.000 Others are like, it's time to send them a message.

00:43:05.000 And my point is, it doesn't matter.

00:43:08.000 You know, you vote for the Republicans, it won't matter.

00:43:10.000 You send them the message, they won't get the message anyway.

00:43:14.000 The broader thing is, broadly, what are we all going to do together about having a movement and a party that actually fights for us? 0.50

00:43:23.000 Let me say this: there's one very legitimate argument to always voting for crappy Republicans over the Democrat, no matter what.

00:43:31.000 Except the problem is that argument doesn't apply to the people propagating it.

00:43:36.000 And that is this.

00:43:37.000 See, with a Democrat, talk to the hand.

00:43:40.000 They're never going to listen to you.

00:43:41.000 You can't pressure them.

00:43:42.000 You can't influence them.

00:43:43.000 I mean, that's it.

00:43:44.000 At least with a Republican, you could get your foot in the door and have your entire constituency get on their case on every issue every day between election day.

00:43:55.000 But the problem is these very conservative commentators that are very passionate about the need to vote Republican, but I don't, and I'm fine with that in a vacuum, if that's your position.

00:44:07.000 I respect that and that there's what to be said about it.

00:44:10.000 But if you're that close with Leffler and Purdue and these, and you know, it's not just them, it's really most of them.

00:44:17.000 Where are you every doggone day using that influence?

00:44:21.000 You're right.

00:44:23.000 We want them in so you can influence them, but I'm not seeing it.

00:44:26.000 So, for example, just this week as we're debating this, they go.

00:44:30.000 I mean, tech is slaughtering us.

00:44:31.000 I think you were out ahead of the curve on that issue before I was.

00:44:35.000 You really warned about that.

00:44:36.000 Like, dude, we're not going to win.

00:44:38.000 We can't win anything.

00:44:40.000 I can't get a single COVID data mask piece published.

00:44:44.000 It's a no-fly zone.

00:44:46.000 It's a Chernobyl.

00:44:47.000 You cannot get the truth out.

00:44:49.000 And they voted to give a tech visa handout to these very companies while we have an election problem, a COVID fascism problem, a crime insurrection mob violence problem.

00:45:01.000 And this is where their brains are.

00:45:03.000 And I don't see the statements from Leffler and Purdue and any of these other guys.

00:45:07.000 Like, indulge us, at least while you're running for office, like they used to lie and then get in and do nothing.

00:45:13.000 Like, the best they say is Democrats are socialists.

00:45:15.000 They want to abolish the police.

00:45:16.000 I'm for the American dream. 1.00

00:45:18.000 But they're not speaking to the damn issues. 0.99

00:45:22.000 Like, that's what bothers me. 0.99

00:45:23.000 Like, at least make pretend like you're going to do something, but like, we don't even force that upon them.

00:45:29.000 So you can see what I'm saying. 0.99

00:45:30.000 This argument of ultimately, if you have a ballot in front of you, okay, you know, damn or Republican, what I do, I think that's a straw man if none of us do anything else aside from that stupid election, which takes three seconds to fill out. 0.99

00:45:44.000 What are we doing every day for two years between the elections? 0.98

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00:47:07.000 The reason that none of that happens is because the people that control the apparatus are corporate types.

00:47:12.000 They're chamber of commerce types that, quite honestly, they look at politics as a factor into their business model.

00:47:19.000 It's not about the country.

00:47:20.000 It's not about patriotism.

00:47:21.000 It's not about culture.

00:47:22.000 Not about the social issues you and I care about.

00:47:24.000 Not about stopping crime, not about stopping the mobs.

00:47:27.000 For them, they look at senators as owned and operated enterprises of their corporate crusade.

00:47:33.000 And you and I are free enterprise guys.

00:47:34.000 We like private property, but we also don't like corporate tyranny when all of a sudden our public policy is created by for corporations at the expense of middle class workers.

00:47:43.000 You look at these lockdowns.

00:47:44.000 These lockdowns have been the greatest handout to corporate America in history, absent the hotel, airline, and cruise industry, but they'll get all their money, by the way.

00:47:53.000 They'll get stimulus money anyway.

00:47:54.000 So they're going to be made new and all their smaller competitors will get wiped out.

00:47:57.000 So long term, the hotel, restaurant, and cruise industry will be stronger in five years on the corporate level, like the ruling class level.

00:48:05.000 So even they're exempt from this, but the data companies, the package delivery companies, that's what I call Amazon.

00:48:11.000 They're just a package delivery company.

00:48:12.000 They don't make anything.

00:48:13.000 They just process.

00:48:14.000 They're a fulfillment company.

00:48:15.000 They figure out how to do packages.

00:48:17.000 And now Jeff Bezos is wealthier than Caligula ever was when he ran the Roman Empire and probably just as morally compromised.

00:48:23.000 And yet what the Republicans are, you hit it perfectly.

00:48:27.000 The people that run the Republican Party, they actually don't care.

00:48:30.000 They don't.

00:48:31.000 They do not care about the stuff we care about.

00:48:33.000 God bless Mitch McConnell for judges.

00:48:35.000 I want Loffler and Purdue to stop the Democrat mob.

00:48:38.000 I want all of that.

00:48:39.000 But there is going to be an uprising.

00:48:41.000 And these people don't realize this because normal people and conservatives and people of faith, like both of us, are going to all of a sudden say, wait a second, we have put so much work into you.

00:48:51.000 And yes, the guy that sometimes say stuff you don't like and tweet stuff you don't, that makes you wince, but he got more done in four years when he came onto the scene than you guys have done in 40 years.

00:49:03.000 And this is a great testing moment.

00:49:05.000 I'm going to all of a sudden basically beat the drum.

00:49:07.000 Every Republic, this will be the defining test will be what Republicans in the United States Senate vote to certify this election on January 6th.

00:49:15.000 That is now the new test.

00:49:16.000 Roll call. 1.00

00:49:17.000 Come on, Lindsey Graham. 1.00

00:49:18.000 You want a conservative to come donate for you. 1.00

00:49:19.000 Are you going to go certify this election?

00:49:21.000 Mitch McConnell, you're in a tough race.

00:49:23.000 Joni Ernst, Steve Daines, friends of mine, are you going to vote to certify this election?

00:49:27.000 The answer should be no.

00:49:28.000 To your point, we probably won't get it.

00:49:30.000 By the way, Mitch McConnell can refuse to bring the motion to the floor.

00:49:33.000 Mitch McConnell could say, I'm not going to vote on it.

00:49:35.000 Not going to happen.

00:49:36.000 Yeah, remember, they don't have the power to get Trump in that already because they don't have the House.

00:49:41.000 But like you said, you put it very well.

00:49:43.000 It's not a matter of an affirmative vote.

00:49:46.000 It's just you downright have to get Biden certified and they could just like, yeah, we protest.

00:49:51.000 I mean, which is why in 1876, they never even had a vote because they knew each side would oppose each other.

00:49:57.000 Republicans controlled the Senate.

00:49:58.000 It's exactly like it was now.

00:50:00.000 But again, back then, the Republicans believed in their constituents and their views the way the Democrats did.

00:50:06.000 And that's how you had a stalemate.

00:50:07.000 We can't even get, see, ironically, everyone's like, there's so much bitter partisanship.

00:50:12.000 It's like a civil war in the country.

00:50:14.000 Actually, we have more acrimony.

00:50:16.000 We have more acrimony in the country because we've never had that crossing of the swords.

00:50:16.000 Listen to this.

00:50:22.000 We never forced the issue because, see, sometimes when you really confront each other, you have to start making a compromise, which in my view needs to be some sort of national divorce.

00:50:32.000 And I don't necessarily mean like literally a two-state solution, but in a way where we could live agreeably in various states.

00:50:38.000 Democrats already have this in their states.

00:50:40.000 They do whatever the heck they want. 0.99

00:50:42.000 They have illegal aliens come in and do whatever they want.

00:50:45.000 So we should be able to have sanctuaries for Americans and American values and liberties under coronavascism.

00:50:50.000 But we don't because Republicans don't, they don't force Democrats to a point where they feel they need to make those concessions.

00:50:58.000 Why should they?

00:51:00.000 They're out there championing their cause.

00:51:02.000 They're agreeing with them.

00:51:02.000 Like I recently heard a speech, and I think this is very important.

00:51:06.000 And it's very important for your activists.

00:51:07.000 You have a lot of good ones.

00:51:09.000 If Biden becomes president, you know, theoretically, there should be a lot of good things that we can do.

00:51:16.000 Now, foreign policy is tough.

00:51:18.000 I mean, yeah, he's going to do his Iran thing and kiss up Tyran and Castro.

00:51:22.000 There's not much you can do about that.

00:51:23.000 But on domestic policy, which is really most of what's destroying our life now, Republicans are going to control 31 state legislatures and 24 states with the trifecta.

00:51:34.000 A lot of those states have super majorities.

00:51:37.000 In some like the Great Plains, the Democrats are wiped off the map.

00:51:40.000 There's two Democrats left in the South Dakota legislature.

00:51:43.000 And my point is this: you look at West Virginia, Republicans have greater majorities in the legislature than Democrats have in California.

00:51:53.000 Yet, I listened to the Republican governor there, Jim Justice.

00:51:57.000 He gave a speech about if only if masks only save one life.

00:52:02.000 He literally sounded like Cuomo.

00:52:04.000 And this is West freaking Virginia, where Trump carried every county both times.

00:52:10.000 And, you know, I live in Maryland. 0.98

00:52:12.000 It's a cesspool.

00:52:14.000 And I'm looking for a place where I could live.

00:52:16.000 And I'd say, look, the Pennsylvania panhandle is, well, that may be, but Pennsylvania panhandle is an hour and a half away from me.

00:52:23.000 But they have the same COVID fascism as Maryland does.

00:52:27.000 So I don't want to hear this.

00:52:28.000 Well, Daniel, this is the difference between 52 and 48 seats in the Georgia Romans.

00:52:32.000 I'll do better for you.

00:52:33.000 I'll show you places where they have 70, 80% majorities in both houses, the governor, the attorney general, the lieutenant governor.

00:52:41.000 And it's like, what's your excuse there?

00:52:44.000 You're joining in with that.

00:52:46.000 I mean, you're promulgating the same stuff the left is.

00:52:49.000 And this is the big lie about the, oh, it's the filibuster.

00:52:53.000 Oh, we need the house.

00:52:54.000 Oh, we need this.

00:52:55.000 They have it in a bunch of states. 0.65

00:52:57.000 If we had Republicans that were worth more than a bucket of spit, you could have easily a third of the country that could be as MAGA as California is loony.

00:53:11.000 And that is, those are people like Christine Noam and Ron DeSantis.

00:53:14.000 And what ends up happening is they actually get more popular is that they actually persuade more people.

00:53:20.000 And that is how Republican states actually become more Republican.

00:53:23.000 When you have people like Governor Bergham or Kim Reynolds or Mike DeWine, all of a sudden they do mask mandates and they shut down their states, you become less popular.

00:53:33.000 Ron DeSantis will win reelection in 2022 by maybe eight to 10 points in a state that used to be a competitive state.

00:53:41.000 Why?

00:53:42.000 Because when you go drive through Winter Park or you go drive through Sarasota, all of a sudden, even the suburban moms are like, my kids are in school.

00:53:49.000 My businesses are open.

00:53:50.000 I know what this virus can do.

00:53:52.000 If I'm scared, I'm going to stay at home.

00:53:53.000 I'm not going to see the older people in my life, but he has got us back to life quicker than anyone else.

00:54:00.000 And that's Ron DeSantis, who's just maligned by the media every single day.

00:54:04.000 And what I'm hopeful for, though, Daniel, and I want your comments on this, is that I think that we're those of us that believe in the conservative movement, those of us that were part of the Tea Party move in 2010, where all of a sudden our ideas were given this huge platform.

00:54:18.000 And then all of a sudden we saw what Boehner and all these people were really all about.

00:54:21.000 I actually think we're in charge.

00:54:23.000 I actually think that the establishment is weaker than they ever have been.

00:54:27.000 I hope you're right.

00:54:28.000 And I hope people see the jarring contrast.

00:54:31.000 Why do we keep mentioning Ron DeSantis?

00:54:34.000 Because the problem is we can't find other names.

00:54:38.000 I mean, there's 27 Republican governors and there's only two of them that are decent on the issue of our time, which literally affects our life more than anything it has.

00:54:47.000 That's correct.

00:54:48.000 You know, you only have Ron DeSantis, who's the one that's pushing an anti-BLM Antifa mob violence bill that's dealing with that.

00:54:57.000 I mean, you look at him and the gulf between him and a Doug Ducey, Brian Kemp, and I'm not even getting to a DeWine.

00:55:08.000 I mean, like, that's like a whole nother level is greater than the gulf between them and the Democrats.

00:55:14.000 And we can't continue this game of this schizophrenic party.

00:55:19.000 You know, it's like, it's like going to battle with a gun where the bullet comes out the other side every time you fire it.

00:55:25.000 You can have.

00:55:27.000 the overwhelming majority of your elected Republicans echoing, parroting, and implementing everything the left says, even on the most radical issues of our time.

00:55:36.000 Like you can't go on like that.

00:55:38.000 So I think our lesson, you brought up the Tea Party.

00:55:40.000 And I think here's my concern.

00:55:43.000 And this is we're at a crossroads.

00:55:45.000 And again, I don't want to presuppose Biden as president, but I think if we're just talking in terms of planning forward, it wouldn't be that way if we were in charge.

00:55:53.000 But unfortunately, the Republicans are the way they are.

00:55:55.000 But there are actually a lot of opportunities.

00:55:58.000 And the thing is, Obama won a much bigger mandate than Biden.

00:56:04.000 He legitimately won.

00:56:05.000 A lot of people legitimately voted for him.

00:56:08.000 They liked him.

00:56:09.000 They liked his persona.

00:56:11.000 They thought he was, you know, going to be some fresh change.

00:56:15.000 Nobody voted for Biden.

00:56:17.000 Obviously, a lot of the extra votes are fraudulent.

00:56:19.000 A lot of the real votes were really, they just didn't like Trump's persona.

00:56:23.000 They certainly don't like the radical, you know, anarchist ideas of the left.

00:56:30.000 And Democrats have no self-awareness and they can't control themselves.

00:56:34.000 Even Obama fell out of favor within a couple months in that spring of 2009 very quickly.

00:56:41.000 And Republicans won a historic election based on that.

00:56:44.000 We're going to have that opportunity.

00:56:45.000 I mean, they'll be out of favor with the electorate within six weeks when you no longer have Trump as the false flag for these suburban voters. 0.76

00:56:52.000 Oh, I hate Trump.

00:56:53.000 Okay, well, fine.

00:56:54.000 Now you have the policies to deal with.

00:56:56.000 Freeze frame.

00:56:58.000 What do we do then?

00:56:59.000 That's the challenge because the problem we had last time is that all of the energy we created got jujitsued into this black hole of the GOP.

00:57:12.000 It went into electing every Republican is anti-Biden.

00:57:17.000 There's no principled Republican like a Republican hopelessly out of power.

00:57:21.000 They all sound like us.

00:57:23.000 They're all going to say the same things.

00:57:24.000 Oh, look at what Biden's doing.

00:57:25.000 Look what the Democrats are doing.

00:57:27.000 Look what they want to do.

00:57:28.000 Never mind all of the opportunities they had to deal with it mechanically, but rhetorically during the campaign, they'll countenance our ideas and our rhetoric.

00:57:38.000 And ironically, Charlie, here's the deal.

00:57:40.000 It's the dudes that get the money from the chamber types that have the money to buy the name recognition to put out our stuff so they can then get in and do the opposite. 0.94

00:57:50.000 And we elect the same Republican clowns, rinse and repeat the same cycle every decade. 0.84

00:57:56.000 This is our challenge.

00:57:58.000 How do we finally change the vicious cycle and force a point where either you fundamentally reform the Republican Party or you start a new party, which I will just tell you, Charlie, if all of our colleagues would be on board with that, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:58:15.000 You take the energy that's out there with Trump being shafted by Republicans now.

00:58:21.000 Typically, people were reluctant to go down this route because they're like, well, I don't want three parties and you split the vote and Democrats win.

00:58:29.000 I will tell you, if the people that complain about that would join in this, well, you'd have two parties because Bill Crystals don't exist in the real world.

00:58:40.000 I mean, you don't have, there's no constituency for that.

00:58:43.000 I mean, you have donors for that, but in large numbers, you don't have a constituency for we empower the Republican Party's existence.

00:58:53.000 So, I'm just saying we need a do or die moment where either we come up with a way to finally take over the party, which in all honesty, I've worked at for 10 years and I don't really, and I don't say this in jest.

00:59:08.000 I mean, the reason why I'm pushing a new party is because I've tried with the primaries.

00:59:14.000 They have more money.

00:59:15.000 They say our candidates are the liberals and theirs are the conservatives.

00:59:15.000 They lie.

00:59:19.000 They have more name ID and money and they wind up winning, rinse and repeat.

00:59:22.000 They play the game.

00:59:23.000 They control the party.

00:59:25.000 Maybe if you go to state conventions instead of popular primaries, it's something to look at.

00:59:30.000 My point is, I'm open to all ideas.

00:59:34.000 We all need to, I think people like you and I need to get together in a constitutional convention style meeting where we pray together and we recognize what we are doing and that includes myself.

00:59:45.000 I'm speaking to myself is not working.

00:59:49.000 We have more tyranny than ever.

00:59:51.000 We have more anarchy than ever.

00:59:52.000 We have more debt than ever.

00:59:54.000 We have more dependency than ever.

00:59:55.000 I mean, on very few measures outside of foreign policy, are we in a good position domestically?

01:00:03.000 We have more criminal aliens not deported than ever.

01:00:06.000 We're not making progress.

01:00:08.000 And I'm not saying this is Trump's fault.

01:00:10.000 I'm saying, Charlie, you could elect Ron DeSantis as president.

01:00:16.000 But in the current framework of the Republican Party, he might be a little bit more intellectually coherent than Trump, but you're not going to, you're not going to change the issue. 0.95

01:00:30.000 You're not going to be more successfully across the board than Trump was because you're going to have the same problems that basically the higher you get, the crap rises to the top.

01:00:43.000 So you start off in the counties and maybe 30, 40% of county Republicans are good.

01:00:49.000 You go to the state house, maybe about 30% of state house Republicans are good, but none of them are in leadership.

01:00:57.000 Very few are in leadership.

01:00:58.000 You go to the state Senate, it's more like one-fifth of the Republicans are good.

01:01:02.000 You go to the House, U.S. House.

01:01:06.000 I don't know.

01:01:07.000 What do you think?

01:01:07.000 There's about 200 Republicans, 10, 15%.

01:01:10.000 You know, you're Mo Brooks of the world, your Andy Biggs, your whatever.

01:01:14.000 I mean, there aren't many of them.

01:01:17.000 You go to the Senate.

01:01:18.000 Help me out here, Charlie.

01:01:19.000 Senate and governor.

01:01:21.000 Two out of 27 governors out of 53 Republican senators.

01:01:26.000 I mean, I'm just saying this is the problem.

01:01:28.000 It's not a matter of when I was younger.

01:01:30.000 I'm a little older than you, Charlie.

01:01:32.000 So I was doing this a little bit like in the Lincoln Chafee, Jim Jeffers, days, the Arlen Spector, the previous decade, right?

01:01:38.000 So when I started out, I thought it was like fundamentally, okay, you got 45 good Republicans, 47.

01:01:44.000 It's like five or so rhinos. 0.55

01:01:46.000 Let's work on some primaries.

01:01:48.000 I think we all know the rot is a lot deeper than that.

01:01:52.000 I think that I think that the idea of party fracturing is inevitable.

01:01:57.000 The only thing that I disagree with, though, is I think the Democrats should and will do it first.

01:02:02.000 I think that they actually have a fault line that they've been completely ignoring philosophically.

01:02:07.000 I actually think we can learn something from Trump that he should have capitalized on more, which is the number one issue that is underneath all of this, Daniel.

01:02:15.000 And it's an issue that conservatives quite honestly ignored.

01:02:22.000 And that is the money and politics issue.

01:02:24.000 Normal people can understand this, that massive corporations purchase politicians for their political gain, to access to advantageous public policy, to be able to get laws, tax codes written in their favor.

01:02:36.000 It's not anything market-based.

01:02:38.000 It is favoritism-based.

01:02:40.000 And the one reason why Trump was so attractive, despite everything they threw at him, is that he had this appearance, and it was true that he could not be bought.

01:02:48.000 It's the number one thing that you would hear from grassroots conservatives and people that are first-time Trump voters is that he can't be bought.

01:02:55.000 Now, Bernie Sanders had a similar type of appeal, awful public policy ideas.

01:02:59.000 But one of the reasons that Bernie Sanders had a crossover with Trump is this idea that they could not be bought.

01:03:04.000 One of the worst things that we did as conservatives is we embraced this deluge of corporate money post-Citizens United.

01:03:11.000 Yeah, it's one of the worst things that we did.

01:03:12.000 We started doing deals with the devil, all of a sudden, getting hundreds of millions of dollars from crony corporate interests that wanted to pander to China, keep the borders open, and then bow down to big tech.

01:03:22.000 And then now we're living through this set of circumstances where our entire party has a laundry list of favors that they owe to some lobbyist or corporate master that does not have America's best interests at heart.

01:03:34.000 And I actually think what's really promising and the direction the party is heading is a citizen-based party that has grassroots funded, that denies corporate money.

01:03:44.000 And let me give you a little bit of hope, though.

01:03:46.000 Matt Gates comes out and says, I'm not taking PAC money.

01:03:49.000 First Republican to do so.

01:03:50.000 No one has followed suit.

01:03:52.000 And interestingly enough, only he and AOC, Rashida Talib, Ayana Presley, and Elon Omar are saying that.

01:03:58.000 Now, the left, they have a built-in advantage because the left, they think of they're like the board from Star Trek.

01:04:04.000 They think as a body, everyone puts in $5.

01:04:07.000 That is my, that is their tithe, right?

01:04:10.000 So, you know, you'll tithe to a synagogue, I tithe to a church.

01:04:13.000 Like, we just think that's what we do.

01:04:15.000 To them, they tithe to the Democrat Party, right?

01:04:17.000 That is their church, that is their religion.

01:04:19.000 So it's just easier for them to be able to raise small dollar donors.

01:04:22.000 But I'm excited because we are starting to see a younger, more based, positive Republican that's different than the Tea Party wave, though.

01:04:31.000 It's the Josh Hawley types.

01:04:33.000 It is, you know, it is Matt Gates.

01:04:35.000 It is Madison Cawthorne from North Carolina.

01:04:37.000 But nothing will change, Daniel, to your point, until we fix the money and politics issue.

01:04:41.000 Nothing.

01:04:42.000 And it's different than they want. 0.61

01:04:44.000 They want taxpayer-funded elections. 0.99

01:04:45.000 They want all this crap. 0.99

01:04:46.000 That's not what I'm saying. 0.99

01:04:47.000 What I'm saying, though, is that it's not healthy when Goldman Sachs can come in and bring in $5 million to your race.

01:04:52.000 That's not good for the country.

01:04:53.000 It's not.

01:04:54.000 It's purchasing of politicians.

01:04:55.000 I'm not saying you make it illegal.

01:04:57.000 I'm just pinpointing the problem.

01:04:59.000 And in closing, what are your thoughts on that as a basic?

01:05:02.000 So I would say that is really where the money is.

01:05:06.000 That's the fulcrum of this.

01:05:08.000 Because I think, and I'm trying to remember, it was this guy, David Shore, who's a really young whiz kid, strategist for Obama.

01:05:15.000 He recently did an amazing interview, very insightful from a leftist perspective of where he sees the country.

01:05:22.000 And he was very, he's a socialist, and he was very concerned that the Democrats are embracing the cultural Marxism, you know, like the open the borders and the criminal stuff and the transgender stuff. 0.64

01:05:34.000 And he thinks that, you know, the fiscal socialism sells in his mind, and he thinks they're ruining it. 0.61

01:05:41.000 And he was great seeing it from him because, you know, we always said he was like, you know, the Democrat base is actually more center.

01:05:49.000 The vote, the actual Democrat voters are more to the center of where their party apparatus is.

01:05:53.000 Whereas with Republicans, it's the opposite.

01:05:56.000 And a lot of that's because the donors.

01:05:57.000 I mean, it's really the donors.

01:05:59.000 Like, you know, where do you get there's no money in the Constitution and in sovereignty and in traditional values.

01:06:05.000 There's no money there.

01:06:06.000 That's part of the problem.

01:06:07.000 And I think just to put a finer point on what you're saying with money and politics, it's also the focus and the money is driving that focus.

01:06:16.000 And that's this whole tax cut business.

01:06:18.000 Now, you and I, we understand the economics. 1.00

01:06:21.000 We understand it's stupid to raise taxes. 0.99

01:06:23.000 We get it. 0.97

01:06:25.000 But I once wrote a whole thesis called Low Tax Socialism.

01:06:30.000 And what Republicans have enabled in the last couple of decades is something very interesting.

01:06:36.000 They've allowed the corporations to get off on the cheap, meaning Democrats have 100 things they want to do.

01:06:44.000 Republicans bail them out from the two things that the corporations don't like about the Democrats, and then they could turn around and enforce cultural Marxism against us on the cheap without having to worry about empowering the Democrats because they'll destroy them.

01:07:00.000 And what Republicans did, which was a big mistake, conservatism-free markets, and I think you've alluded to this.

01:07:07.000 It's a full package.

01:07:09.000 Stop the split the baby conservatism.

01:07:12.000 It has to come together.

01:07:13.000 You can have low-tax socialism.

01:07:16.000 So, you know, in Europe, you have high-tax socialism, and I actually think it's better.

01:07:21.000 The people are brainwashed, but that's where they are, but they have skin in the game.

01:07:25.000 So, you have that 45% tax bracket that comes in very low at like 90,000 income in France, and they don't have all these deductions to lower your effective tax rate.

01:07:35.000 So, you got to feel the pain.

01:07:37.000 The people feel the pain if that's what you want.

01:07:41.000 Here, we found a great way with the Federal Reserve to basically, once we start with the deficit spending, you could just buy off everyone on the cheap.

01:07:50.000 Taxes are relatively low for most people at a corporate and individual level.

01:07:56.000 So, everyone's happy.

01:07:58.000 They shoot at the regulations that the big corporations don't like, which often their problem, but then they leave out others that are more affected small businesses, or they support policies like COVID fascism, which is the ultimate regulatory market distortion against small businesses.

01:08:15.000 And then that's when they could turn around and say, Aha, now we got you.

01:08:21.000 We got our tax cuts, we got our thing, so we don't have to fear the Democrats.

01:08:25.000 Now, we could turn around and promote mass release of criminals, promote open borders, promote all the visa stuff, promote all the wokeness.

01:08:35.000 And I think we also have to be more strategic when we deal with the money, with be more strategic with our issues. 0.64

01:08:43.000 And you can have Republicans 100% righteous on taxes, but then horrible on every other fiscal and certainly social issue, because then you actually enable that.

01:08:56.000 That's what we need to work on in the current years.

01:09:00.000 I have no problem going to the corporations and saying, Hey, we're going to stand back and allow Democrats to raise back the corporate rate to maybe 30%.

01:09:11.000 I don't think it's a good idea, but I'm just saying we have to do battle with them.

01:09:17.000 And we're under a greater existential threat than just tax rates.

01:09:21.000 What they're able to do with COVID fascism is greater than any tax or anything.

01:09:27.000 And, you know, that's the way to do it.

01:09:31.000 And also, frankly, not just the corporations, but the people as well.

01:09:34.000 You know, a lot of these suburban households, let's face it, you know, taxes, unless you're earning a tremendous amount of money.

01:09:42.000 I'm not trying to put people down.

01:09:44.000 I know you had the property taxes, sale taxes, people pay a lot in taxes, but it's nothing like other countries.

01:09:50.000 We have Europe socialism in America.

01:09:52.000 We've had it for a while, except we have it with deficit spending because we control the dollar, which is why we have a worse COVID policy than Europe does.

01:10:02.000 Most countries in Europe are not as tyrannical as America.

01:10:06.000 And the reason is because they can't afford that.

01:10:08.000 We just dump trillions of dollars at people.

01:10:10.000 But you know what?

01:10:11.000 I want people to pay for it.

01:10:13.000 You want lockdown?

01:10:14.000 I want you to have the Anne-Frank style lockdown.

01:10:17.000 I want you to do it, but you can't do it.

01:10:19.000 So, what we did is we dumped trillions of dollars.

01:10:21.000 Here's your checks.

01:10:22.000 Here's your PPP. 1.00

01:10:23.000 That's crap. 1.00

01:10:24.000 You know, this is how you get a more left-wing. 0.99

01:10:28.000 You know, sometimes we could be so principled in a vacuum that you get a worse left-wing outcome than you'll ever get.

01:10:35.000 So, we can't be imbalanced in our approach.

01:10:38.000 You have to look at everything like, you know, I'm sympathetic to, hey, let's attract talent from the world, but you got to be careful. 0.51

01:10:46.000 You can't allow China and India through Bill Gates starting in the 80s to monopolize it and culturally gerrymander our people out of jobs and then spawn trade theft and espionage based on that, like we're seeing with the whole, you know, Christine Fang business, you know, starting with the student visas, the 400,000 a year. 0.76

01:11:06.000 This is the mistake our people have made. 0.88

01:11:08.000 They're eating us alive.

01:11:10.000 As Karl Marx said, we're going to make the capitalists pay for the rope to hang themselves.

01:11:16.000 We got to move away from that.

01:11:17.000 Lennon said the best way to destroy the middle class is through taxation and inflation.

01:11:21.000 What we have is hyper corporate tyranny that actually does quite well with inflation.

01:11:25.000 They own land.

01:11:26.000 They have products that people are going to continue to buy.

01:11:29.000 Jeff Bezos will only get wealthier with more dollars being infused into the market.

01:11:33.000 Inflation is actually, it's a tax on working people into a gift to the rich.

01:11:38.000 And this is exactly where the socialists are going to get their power is they're going to jerk they're going to demagogue a situation that cronyism has created.

01:11:45.000 And our corporate Republicans don't understand this.

01:11:47.000 And Daniel, I appreciate the kind words where you said about the tech issue.

01:11:51.000 I felt like I was getting in everyone's ear for years.

01:11:55.000 When you and I did Life Liberty Live In, we did a whole segment on tech tyranny.

01:11:58.000 And, you know, Mark pushed back a little bit.

01:12:00.000 We had a good conversation about it because it really wasn't like in vogue.

01:12:03.000 This was back in 2018.

01:12:05.000 And now we're all living through this pseudo-dystopian nightmare.

01:12:08.000 In closing, what is your thought on the tech issue?

01:12:10.000 They own almost all of our politicians except Josh Holly, Ted Caruse, and a few others.

01:12:14.000 In closing, what's your take on that?

01:12:16.000 Nothing matters until we deal with that.

01:12:17.000 I mean, you and I can't get our stuff out.

01:12:21.000 I mean, they control the airwaves, they control the podcasting, they control the written content.

01:12:26.000 They control every delivery system.

01:12:29.000 I can't find my own articles on Google because I've written so many and I can't often like, I try to like type in words that I know are in there and I can't find it.

01:12:38.000 You can't get our information out.

01:12:41.000 I mean, that's the problem.

01:12:42.000 We're always like, we're conservatives.

01:12:44.000 We'll make smarter arguments.

01:12:45.000 Well, where's your delivery system?

01:12:47.000 You could build a nuclear bomb, but you don't have a delivery system.

01:12:50.000 This is the problem we have with that.

01:12:53.000 This is why I think the NDAA is exactly the place to fight this.

01:12:58.000 And of course, very few Republicans want to fight Section 230.

01:13:01.000 I think we need to start fighting it on a state level, frankly, too.

01:13:05.000 And I think maybe this is something to work with the DeSantis of the world and to start to go after big tech with the clamping down of freedom of speech.

01:13:16.000 Because I think the mistake that I made early on is I saw the first generation of censorship and it was like, all right, it's kind of subtle.

01:13:23.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:23.000 It's kind of now it's like it is a straight up no-fly zone.

01:13:27.000 Like, you know, if you say, hey, like, you know, you had a mask mandate for six months and cases are going up.

01:13:34.000 So like, what's the deal?

01:13:36.000 That them fighting words there.

01:13:38.000 That's like putting up an al-Qaeda decapitation video, which of course you could put up.

01:13:42.000 Like, you know, that, that's what it is.

01:13:43.000 You can't get around that.

01:13:45.000 Like, that's what we're seeing.

01:13:47.000 I would put up videos and Trump would retweet them and it would get 300 views on YouTube.

01:13:53.000 And it just didn't make any sense.

01:13:55.000 I mean, so it took, I had to see it myself.

01:13:58.000 And I just, I don't see how we even, anything you and I want to do requires communication, whether it's a new party, whether it's a reform party, whether it's an issue focus, whether it's a grassroots campaign.

01:14:13.000 Well, maybe we'll get together and have a bunch of Facebook pages to fight the lockdowns and organize.

01:14:18.000 Oh, whoops.

01:14:19.000 Oh, wait, we can't.

01:14:20.000 You can't do that.

01:14:23.000 It's checkmate.

01:14:24.000 I mean, they got us.

01:14:25.000 They got us because again, those organizations got what they wanted from us.

01:14:32.000 We gave it to them for free because we were so into the free market that now we don't have any free market left.

01:14:40.000 Daniel, you're a good American.

01:14:41.000 Your podcast, I'm supposed to plug it.

01:14:43.000 What's it called?

01:14:44.000 See our podcast on Blaze TV.

01:14:47.000 You can find the iTunes Stitcher anywhere you see podcasts.

01:14:50.000 See our podcast with Daniel Horowitz.

01:14:52.000 That's Conservative Review.

01:14:53.000 We review what's important to conservatives every day.

01:14:56.000 Now, do me a favor.

01:14:57.000 Come back very soon.

01:14:58.000 You're very smart.

01:14:59.000 And I usually cut off podcasts before this.

01:15:01.000 So you're a smart guy.

01:15:03.000 I really appreciate it.

01:15:04.000 Really appreciate it.

01:15:05.000 That was very.

01:15:07.000 Speak to you soon.

01:15:07.000 God bless you.

01:15:08.000 Thanks.

01:15:08.000 Take care.

01:15:12.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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01:15:21.000 Email us your questions, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:15:25.000 Thank you guys so much for listening.

01:15:26.000 God bless.

01:15:27.000 Speak to you soon.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 10, 2020

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