The Charlie Kirk Show - Big Fani's Biggest Flub Yet

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00:00:01.000 The latest updates with the Fannie Willis case in Georgia.

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00:01:25.000 So much news to cover.

00:01:26.000 So Mr. Blake is going to help us get through all of it.

00:01:29.000 Indeed.

00:01:30.000 Blake, welcome back.

00:01:31.000 So, Blake, we're going to start today with the Fannie Willis continuing saga.

00:01:36.000 This is pretty amazing what's going on.

00:01:38.000 This is just, this is what we talked last night about TV and whether anyone's watching TV shows.

00:01:43.000 And it's like, why would you watch a procedural drama?

00:01:46.000 Why would you watch some crummy show they make in Hollywood when you can just follow Fanny Willis news or any of the other political stories going on?

00:01:53.000 It's amazing.

00:01:54.000 It's almost richer than some sort of TV sitcom. 0.99

00:01:58.000 You know, when Fanny's first indictment dropped, it was bad and was full of stupid stuff, but I don't think any of us expected how ridiculous it would be. 0.98

00:02:05.000 Where, you know, okay, then, oh, this attorney says you were having this relationship with your co-counsel. 0.99

00:02:12.000 And then she goes to the church and does the whole like, this is a racist attack on me.

00:02:18.000 And now it's now this.

00:02:19.000 So I'll stop burying the lead here.

00:02:21.000 We have a new affidavit filed today.

00:02:24.000 This is actually from Trump's own legal team.

00:02:26.000 This has mostly been happening from his co-defendants who have been taking the lead, but this is from the Trump team itself.

00:02:32.000 They hired a private investigator who's knowledgeable, or so he testifies, in the techniques police use for assessing cell phone data.

00:02:42.000 And they were able to get cell phone data from Nathan Wade's cell phone.

00:02:46.000 And they assessed it, doing all of that geofencing stuff, the same stuff they did to catch all those January 6th defendants, actually.

00:02:53.000 And they look at where is he making calls, where is he making text messages?

00:02:58.000 Where is he physically traveling?

00:03:01.000 And they say, based on this, that in the first 11 months of 2021, so this is before he was hired as a special counsel on Fannie Willis's team.

00:03:12.000 He allegedly made about 2,000 phone calls to Fannie Willis and exchanged more than 12,000 text messages.

00:03:23.000 Come on.

00:03:23.000 2,000 phone calls?

00:03:24.000 2,000 phone calls.

00:03:26.000 Do you think you make that many phone calls in a year?

00:03:28.000 I mean, I'm just trying to think.

00:03:29.000 I don't think I do, to be honest.

00:03:30.000 Maybe I'm the weirdo here, but yeah, that's about let me do the math.

00:03:33.000 That's an extraordinary month.

00:03:35.000 First 11 months.

00:03:35.000 That's 330 days.

00:03:36.000 He called her five times a day.

00:03:38.000 Five times a day.

00:03:39.000 More than that.

00:03:40.000 That's like, it's probably even six times a day.

00:03:42.000 Yeah, 5.4 times a day.

00:03:44.000 And yeah, and then, you know, six times that for the text messages, which are easy to send.

00:03:48.000 And then the best part, though, is they have this PowerPoint that they have, they're describing the affidavit, and they're really digging into what he's doing.

00:03:57.000 So this is September 11th to 12th.

00:04:00.000 Deeper analysis in the attached affidavit of Mr. Wade's cell phone tracking from September 11th, 2021 to September 12th reveals the following activity.

00:04:11.000 Leaving the Doraville area where he lives at approximately 10.15 p.m., traveling directly to and arriving within the geofence, so a location area they've calculated in the dogwood address at approximately 10.45 p.m.

00:04:26.000 Leaving the Dogwood address at approximately 3.28 a.m.

00:04:31.000 They're obviously just doing work together.

00:04:33.000 And then traveling directly to towers near his Marietta residence in East Cobb and arriving at 4 or 5 a.m. and text Fannie Willis at 4.20 a.m.

00:04:42.000 It was obviously they were just trying to, she needed his help on some Rico cases.

00:04:47.000 Or maybe they're fans of like European soccer.

00:04:49.000 They have to watch that, you know, really morning game.

00:04:51.000 You got to make it.

00:04:52.000 Manchester United is 3 a.m.

00:04:54.000 There's a lot of possible justifications.

00:04:56.000 Midnight Scrabble.

00:04:57.000 Yeah.

00:04:57.000 Or maybe they were just burning the midnight oil to get Trump because obviously nobody was really super committed.

00:05:04.000 No one could understand how intense this is.

00:05:08.000 And maybe that is only over time in a convenient, completely professional manner.

00:05:13.000 It only blossomed into romance later.

00:05:15.000 So what is the significance of this?

00:05:16.000 Because this means perjury, doesn't it?

00:05:18.000 Exactly.

00:05:19.000 So if the judge interprets this, as I think most people do, as very strong evidence that they were engaged in an intimate personal relationship before what they've been testifying, then that would mean they both perjured themselves in this case.

00:05:36.000 And it really means the very funny thing is, is a lot of analysts say that, you know, even if they'd been in a relationship in some capacity, it might have gotten by this because it wouldn't necessarily prove the prosecution itself was unethical.

00:05:51.000 But once you're perjuring yourself in this case, they would just both have to be removed and possibly indicted.

00:05:57.000 So yeah, so then what is the timeline?

00:06:00.000 Because these motions keep on getting filed.

00:06:02.000 And I mean, it's just getting worse for Fannie Willis at this point.

00:06:04.000 It's getting worse and worse.

00:06:05.000 I don't think we have a specific timeline on when the judge is going to rule on this.

00:06:09.000 It would presumably be soon because there's a trial they have to get on with if he's going to keep them on the case.

00:06:15.000 So I would imagine we'll get a ruling on this within a matter of weeks.

00:06:19.000 Does another county have to take the case? 0.59

00:06:21.000 How does this work?

00:06:22.000 So assuming they keep the prosecution going, what would happen is first, he could just strike Fanny herself from it and Wade.

00:06:30.000 And then in theory, they could have another prosecutor take it up on their own.

00:06:35.000 A more likely possibility is that because it's the DA and it would kind of taint her whole office.

00:06:42.000 And so they would say, your office is dismissed from this case, which this has happened before.

00:06:47.000 And instead, they would have to bring in a neighboring office to do this.

00:06:51.000 So you might have the DeKalb County guy do it or the...

00:06:54.000 If they want to, though, right?

00:06:56.000 If they want to.

00:06:56.000 And what really matters is that would totally throw off the timeline and it would probably push it past election.

00:07:03.000 What if the DeKalb guy is also corrupt?

00:07:05.000 I mean, the point is that they're going to find, this is a very high-profile case.

00:07:08.000 Let's go to Cut 27, MSNBC, trying to explain this away, CUT 27.

00:07:13.000 So if the romantic relationship between Mr. Wade and Ms. Willis began before he was hired by her in Fulton County, then the affidavit that he submitted might be false.

00:07:27.000 And not only would that affidavit be false, Katty, Ms. Willis propounded that affidavit, provided that affidavit to the court in support of her contention that the relationship started subsequently.

00:07:41.000 By the way, if a supervisor is having a relationship with a subordinate, regardless of when it starts, that's reason for the subordinate or the supervisor to step away from the case.

00:07:54.000 So basically, he's saying that this is bad.

00:07:57.000 This is dead.

00:07:58.000 That's MSNBC mumbo jumbo.

00:08:00.000 And the best part is it's just built up slowly over time.

00:08:03.000 When it first dropped a few months ago, I think all of us raised our eyebrow and just thought, okay, is this real?

00:08:09.000 It seems like a big pail, Mary.

00:08:11.000 And there weren't receipts in the first filing they made, but now they've got, they just keep getting more and more.

00:08:16.000 And these Willis and Wade just come off. 0.94

00:08:21.000 If this is true, if they really just have them dead to rights like this, they come off as very dumb because they really had to slip their own heads into this trap. 0.94

00:08:31.000 Fanny Willis says, no weapon against her shall prosper. 1.00

00:08:35.000 I mean, I think she's like, this is quite something.

00:08:36.000 Play cut 28.

00:08:38.000 No weapon formed against you shall prosper.

00:08:41.000 They did not say the weapons will not form.

00:08:44.000 And that's the part I didn't hear until recently.

00:08:47.000 Just because they won't prosper, it doesn't mean that they won't form.

00:08:51.000 Even if you feel like everything you are doing in your life is the right thing.

00:08:57.000 And you're making mistakes all along the way, but you're trying.

00:09:00.000 You should not think that those weapons will not form.

00:09:04.000 The other lesson that I've learned in this three years is God ordains those weapons.

00:09:10.000 He puts those weapons in your life to form against you.

00:09:13.000 You become in your maturity to understand he does it for a reason, and it's to grow you and it's to make you stronger and it is to prepare you.

00:09:23.000 It's a sermon by Pastor Willis.

00:09:25.000 Pastor Willis, she's, I don't know, you probably could do the she's like a walking violation of like half the Ten Commandments that we know of. 1.00

00:09:32.000 Well, you know, we're all sinners, Charlie, and some of us are no sinners than others.

00:09:37.000 However, if you have no repentance for your sins and you try to own them as if they're attacks from weapons formed against you, I have very, very little compassion for you.

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00:10:51.000 There's some new polls out that show that European optimism is fading.

00:10:55.000 Exactly.

00:10:57.000 So several things.

00:10:58.000 So first of all, we're still going hard at it.

00:11:01.000 We just filed several hundred new sanctions in the wake of Nivalny's death. 0.99

00:11:06.000 I'm sure they'll work just like the last one. 0.99

00:11:08.000 Hold on.

00:11:08.000 Can you explain what these are?

00:11:09.000 Because, I mean, I thought we already did a maximum pressure campaign against Russia.

00:11:12.000 There's more stuff we could do.

00:11:13.000 You know, it's like Spinal Tap.

00:11:14.000 You can just take it, it goes up to 11.

00:11:16.000 You just take it another time.

00:11:18.000 What are these sanctions?

00:11:19.000 Are these are like bad names at you?

00:11:21.000 They say it's targeting more than 500 additional people and entities.

00:11:25.000 So they're just adding a ton of extra people to the list of sanctions.

00:11:28.000 So they start with Putin, maybe all of his core government people, and they're just expanding it out further and further and further.

00:11:35.000 And of course, that's noteworthy because the other thing that's going on with regards to Russia is you're getting more and more justification of just outright seizing the assets of everyone from Russia.

00:11:46.000 They're talking about, you know, they froze billions of dollars in Russian assets after the invasion.

00:11:51.000 Now the talk in Europe especially is we should literally confiscate all those assets, unfreeze them, and just take them and then give them to Ukraine, which would be a pretty big step. 0.79

00:12:02.000 Like consider with Iran. 0.70

00:12:03.000 We've been in conflict with Iran 30 years and we never did that. 0.96

00:12:06.000 It was always frozen. 0.91

00:12:07.000 It was always diplomatic bait to maybe get them to the table.

00:12:12.000 When you're seizing it, you're really, you know, you're crossing a threshold to, I mean, you can't really undo it.

00:12:18.000 It's a good thing to further kill the dollar.

00:12:20.000 Why would anyone trade in dollars if that's it would definitely be a big problem?

00:12:25.000 And one of the possibilities is they realize that's happening anyway.

00:12:28.000 And so you might as well do it.

00:12:30.000 Dedolarization.

00:12:31.000 Yeah.

00:12:32.000 Now, the poll, this is a poll of a wide number of Europeans all across, and they asked people in lots of different European countries, basically, what do you think the outcome of the war will be?

00:12:42.000 And notably, an average of about 10% across all these different countries believe that Ukraine will win the war ultimately.

00:12:51.000 It's about 15 to 20% who think Russia will win.

00:12:54.000 A large portion just think there will be some sort of compromise peace, which is a cop-out answer, of course, because you could really frame even a compromise peace as a win for one or the other.

00:13:04.000 But it really just shows that the sort of narrow Washington view where some of these people think that Ukraine is going to smash the Russians and capture Moscow is just not going to happen, or even just take Crimea.

00:13:18.000 That's just not going to happen.

00:13:19.000 And most people realize that.

00:13:21.000 They realize, at best, we're dumping billions of dollars to sustain a stalemate, which is going to kill a ton of people, require more money in the future to keep going, and probably end in something approaching a defeat anyway.

00:13:35.000 When, again, you can go back to the start of this conflict and the deal we could have negotiated then, right at the outset, would almost certainly be better than the one we would have to negotiate now.

00:13:45.000 Yeah, so let's kind of go a step back.

00:13:48.000 If we were to seize the assets, we've frozen them.

00:13:51.000 We haven't seized them.

00:13:53.000 Exactly. 0.66

00:13:53.000 And if we then send it to Ukraine, that would further de-dollarization. 0.66

00:13:58.000 Can anyone define what does Ukrainian success look like?

00:14:00.000 Does that include Crimea?

00:14:02.000 That's one of the biggest problems is the most die-hard ones do believe they should take all the land they've lost to Russia in the last decade, which includes Crimea.

00:14:12.000 It includes the Donbass.

00:14:13.000 It includes large areas where by general consensus, the people there do not want to be a part of Ukraine.

00:14:22.000 That's the biggest thing about Crimea is you can nitpick with, well, you can disagree with Russia's seizure of it outside normal international law by force, whatever.

00:14:31.000 But it is massive consensus that that place wanted to be in Russia.

00:14:36.000 And the fact that it was in Ukraine was substantially a historical fluke.

00:14:39.000 The Russian Navy was headquartered there.

00:14:41.000 The Russian Navy was headquartered there.

00:14:42.000 It was settled by Russians.

00:14:44.000 They acquired it at a different time.

00:14:46.000 It was literally in Ukraine as a sort of sentimental thing that Nikita Khrushchev did because he liked Ukraine.

00:14:53.000 He'd run Ukraine during the famines.

00:14:55.000 And so, you know, it was bad that they seized it by force.

00:15:00.000 That's not what we want countries to be doing. 0.74

00:15:03.000 But it would not be a great thing to just grab it and give it back to Ukraine.

00:15:08.000 And it would be an extremely impossible, right? 0.67

00:15:10.000 Probably impossible.

00:15:11.000 And military is there.

00:15:12.000 And we would worry that they would actually use nuclear weapons over that sort of thing. 0.74

00:15:16.000 So if that's their threshold for victory, they're committing Ukraine to essentially a suicidal path. 0.50

00:15:23.000 And what we're seeing, you see more and more now, if you just follow Twitter statements and all that stuff that comes out of Ukraine, and it's very hard to read, especially if you don't know the language, but it seems more and more that the war is not going well.

00:15:37.000 You have a lot of recriminations between members of the government, stuff they tried to paper over.

00:15:41.000 You have the mayor of Kiev coming out and saying, you know, I've never really talked to Zelensky this entire war.

00:15:49.000 The mayor of the biggest city in Ukraine.

00:15:50.000 That they're both in the same city.

00:15:52.000 And yeah, and they're both in the same war and they just don't talk to each other.

00:15:55.000 Not a good relationship.

00:15:56.000 How's that possible?

00:15:57.000 And you have generals criticizing Zelensky.

00:16:00.000 You have generals getting fired.

00:16:01.000 And you have a lot of stuff about their manpower situation is actually really, really bad.

00:16:06.000 It's about to get worse this spring.

00:16:08.000 As it thaws, the fighting season will continue.

00:16:10.000 Yeah.

00:16:10.000 And it's going to be a bloodbath.

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00:18:09.000 Joining us now is Will Sharf, one of President Trump's attorneys.

00:18:12.000 Will, welcome to the program.

00:18:13.000 Will, your reaction to the, well, I'm not sure if you were involved in this filing, but bombshell filing out of Georgia, Will, your reaction.

00:18:20.000 Yeah, just when you think this Fonnie Willis prosecution in Georgia couldn't get any crazier, you have a morning like this morning.

00:18:28.000 Our team down there filed an affidavit from a highly experienced criminal investigator whose analysis of Nathan Wade, that's Fonnie Willis's special prosecutor/slash lover, the analysis of his cell phone shows that in 2021, which is before this investigation started, Nathan Wade and Fonnie Willis had over 2,000 phone calls,

00:18:52.000 a little less than 12,000 text messages that on dozens of occasions, Wade was at Fonnie Willis's sort of secret condo, including overnight stays.

00:19:03.000 Now, both Fonnie Willis and Nathan Wade denied on the stand that their relationship predated the prosecution of President Trump and his co-defendants.

00:19:13.000 This data strongly seems to indicate that both of them perjured themselves in open court when they testified, that this relationship, this romantic relationship, clearly predated the prosecution.

00:19:25.000 And to me, that just raises the specter of corruption that has infected this entire prosecution from the start and that I believe will ultimately or should ultimately result in its dismissal altogether.

00:19:38.000 And this is what I asked this question earlier of Blake, who's here today helping co-pilot.

00:19:44.000 Will, what happens then if this goes to another county?

00:19:46.000 What is the process?

00:19:48.000 Have you ever been involved in cases where that has been the case?

00:19:51.000 I mean, it'll depend on how the judge decides to treat this, but he could easily disqualify both Wade and Willis from continuing in their roles as prosecutors, in which case a different prosecutor would be appointed to take over, who might take a very different view of the underlying facts and the charges that have been brought.

00:20:11.000 The other option, though, is an outright dismissal of this whole case.

00:20:15.000 Where you have prosecutorial misconduct and lies and corruption infecting a case from its initiation, as I believe that we're seeing here, a judge would be well within his rights just to dismiss the case altogether.

00:20:29.000 And I think, given the evidence that's mounting against Willis and Wade and just this entire prosecution, I don't want to say that's likely, but it certainly is a lot more likely today than it appeared to be just a couple weeks ago.

00:20:42.000 So, Will, on timeline, I know you mentioned this, I just want to make sure I'm clear.

00:20:47.000 Betting odds are that Donald Trump will not be in a Georgia courtroom before November.

00:20:52.000 Do you think that still remains true?

00:20:53.000 You know, I hate making predictions like this, Charlie, but I think the chances of this case going to trial on any sort of timeline that could impact the presidential election are diminishing by the day.

00:21:05.000 And with each passing revelation, with each new hit on this prosecution, hit against this prosecution, I think that likelihood continues to decrease.

00:21:14.000 And we've seen that in other cases as well.

00:21:16.000 The federal documents case in Florida, for instance, we were told that was going to be rushed to trial.

00:21:22.000 But given the scope of discovery, the number of pretrial motions that we filed, including within the last day, I think the likelihood of that case going to trial has been significantly diminished.

00:21:34.000 Likewise, in Washington, D.C., where our arguments on presidential immunity have resulted in an absolute stay, what's called a coin-based stay of lower court proceedings in that case.

00:21:45.000 So, time and time again, we've heard that Donald Trump is not going to be able to campaign effectively.

00:21:50.000 Thus far, events have proven those predictions wrong.

00:21:53.000 President Trump is campaigning in a highly effective manner, as evidenced by just about every poll that shows him trouncing Joe Biden if the election were held today.

00:22:03.000 So, Will, we have not had you on the program, I believe.

00:22:05.000 You know, all this stuff blurs together since the seizure of Donald Trump's business empire.

00:22:09.000 I believe we haven't had you on since then.

00:22:12.000 This is playing into this lawfare-type regime.

00:22:15.000 I don't know if you're particularly on that case, but can you just riff on the unprecedented nature of being able to take somebody's business empire away?

00:22:24.000 There was a brilliant tweet.

00:22:26.000 I need to find the attribution.

00:22:28.000 I always want to give credit where credit's due, where Donald Trump pays back banks with interest and he gets his business empire taken away from him.

00:22:38.000 But students don't pay back their student loans and they get them forgiven anyway.

00:22:42.000 So, Will, what is your take on what happened in the state of New York?

00:22:47.000 Yeah, look, I think this is probably the first fraud case, the first supposed fraud case in American history, where the parties that were allegedly defrauded testified on behalf of the defendant.

00:22:57.000 You know, Deutsche Bank, all the lenders, all the insurers that were involved in these transactions, they all said that they were paid in time and on full, that Trump was a great client, that they appreciated the business and that they would do business with him again.

00:23:11.000 I mean, that's the basic upshot of their testimony in that New York trial.

00:23:15.000 So, the idea that there was any kind of fraud here, much less a culpable fraud, much less a fraud that would result in hundreds of millions of dollars in so-called civil remedies, it's just it doesn't pass the smell test.

00:23:27.000 And I think that really speaks to how this entire campaign of lawfare against President Trump is really much more about politics and interfering with his ability to campaign for office than it has ever been about the rule of law, than it has ever been about the way these sorts of cases are supposed to go.

00:23:46.000 We're going to appeal that judgment, obviously.

00:23:48.000 I think we have very strong grounds for appeal there.

00:23:51.000 And it's worth noting that on two prior occasions in that very case, the New York Appellate Division has smacked down Judge Ngor on ruling that he exceeded his authority or made bad legal judgments.

00:24:02.000 I think we're going to see more of that in the coming weeks and months.

00:24:06.000 But we're certainly excited to get that case up on appeal and hopefully win on appeal.

00:24:11.000 Blake, you have a question for Will.

00:24:12.000 Yeah.

00:24:12.000 Hi, Will.

00:24:13.000 So we've talked a lot about the timeline of will Trump be convicted or will he be on trial next fall when the election's going.

00:24:22.000 But I think we're looking more and more at the alternative, which is what if Trump's October surprise, his late boost, is could we get court rulings the other way?

00:24:30.000 Could we get appeals courts reversing the New York judgment?

00:24:33.000 Could we get the Supreme Court saying Jack Smith overstepped his bounds?

00:24:38.000 Do you know the timeline on that?

00:24:40.000 Is there a good chance we'd be able to get a ruling like that before election?

00:24:44.000 So we have two issues in front of the Supreme Court right now.

00:24:47.000 One is the Colorado ballot access case.

00:24:50.000 We're expecting a ruling on that just about any day, and we expect that the Supreme Court will rule that President Trump can be on the ballot.

00:24:58.000 The other issue we have in front of the Supreme Court right now is we've requested a stay of the D.C. prosecution pending resolution through the appellate courts of our presidential immunity arguments.

00:25:09.000 Hypothetically, if the Supreme Court were to grant the stay that we've asked for, then this case would likely reach the Supreme Court next fall once the new term starts in October.

00:25:21.000 And I wouldn't bet on that dynamic occurring, but that's certainly a possibility.

00:25:27.000 Our only ask of really all the courts in all of these different cases is that President Trump and his litigation be treated the way that any other party would be treated in the courts normally.

00:25:39.000 We're not asking for special treatment.

00:25:41.000 We're just asking that the courts don't treat President Trump differently just because he's a presidential candidate.

00:25:47.000 In contrast to that, Jack Smith and his team have constantly urged that these cases need to move to trial on a fundamentally political timeline.

00:25:57.000 And that's just wrong.

00:25:58.000 It violates Department of Justice policy.

00:26:00.000 It violates longstanding processes.

00:26:03.000 And that's why I think courts have been so reluctant to side with Smith on these scheduling issues.

00:26:09.000 Just because judges smell a rat and they know what's going on just isn't the way things are normally done.

00:26:14.000 So to answer your question directly, the issue that could be in front of the court next fall is presidential immunity.

00:26:22.000 It could also obviously reach the court sooner than that, depending on how they deal with our stay application.

00:26:27.000 That's another judgment or another ruling that we're looking for in the coming days and weeks.

00:26:33.000 Will, I want you to remind our audience the elements and the details of the Alvin Bragg case.

00:26:37.000 That's going to sneak up on us pretty quick here.

00:26:39.000 It has been scheduled.

00:26:41.000 Again, it's easy for people, including myself, to confuse these cases.

00:26:46.000 Eugene Kerr, New York Civil, Eugene Carroll, New York civil case.

00:26:50.000 We have Letitia James.

00:26:52.000 We have Alvin Bragg.

00:26:53.000 Remind our audience the details of this one that's coming up in just a couple of weeks.

00:26:57.000 Yeah, look, it's easy to confuse all this stuff just because there's never been this sort of coordinated campaign of lawfare against a single individual in American history.

00:27:07.000 It's really outrageous what's going on.

00:27:09.000 And maintaining that big picture view of what's being done to President Trump, I think is very important.

00:27:14.000 Alvin Bragg brought a case against President Trump for supposed business records violations that he's tied into supposed federal election violations. 0.88

00:27:26.000 Basically, the story there is that in the lead up to the 2016 election, the Trump organization paid Michael Cohen, their then lawyer, who's a known perjurer and just an absolute liar. 0.70

00:27:40.000 They paid Michael Cohen money.

00:27:42.000 He then made payments to Stormy Daniels to prevent her from speaking publicly about some of her allegations.

00:27:49.000 Now, Bragg is alleging that those payments, which were booked as legal expenses, since they were payments to one of their lawyers, should have actually been booked as campaign expenses as an in-kind to the Trump campaign.

00:28:02.000 Now, the Biden Department of Justice, which is obviously no friend of President Trump's, looked at this exact same case and declined to prosecute because they didn't see a case there.

00:28:12.000 What happened then was that the number three at the Biden DOJ, a guy named Matthew Colangelo, quit his job at DOJ and went to become an assistant in Alvin Bragg's office, after which we see this prosecution kick off in New York.

00:28:26.000 So, this all leads back to Joe Biden at the end of the day.

00:28:29.000 And it's all an effort, as you said before, Charlie, to interfere with President Trump's ability to run to force him to stand trial at the height of election season.

00:28:38.000 That case is currently scheduled.

00:28:40.000 The trial there is currently scheduled to begin in late March, late next month.

00:28:45.000 But again, that case is largely reliant on the testimony of a known perjurer, Michael Cohen.

00:28:51.000 I think the evidentiary issues there are profound.

00:28:54.000 I think the legal issues there are profound.

00:28:56.000 The strength of that case has been derided by legal experts across the political spectrum as just extraordinarily weak.

00:29:04.000 So we're hopeful on that case and really the entire litigation portfolio at this point that we'll get some positive results.

00:29:11.000 But the fact that President Trump is being forced to stand trial as he closes out this primary election and prepares for the general, it's just absurd.

00:29:20.000 Will, I'm thrilled you're on Trump's legal team.

00:29:22.000 You know, it might just be a causation correlation thing, but as soon as you joined, you know, things started to get really good.

00:29:29.000 So maybe you're a good luck charm or maybe you're contributing a lot.

00:29:32.000 I think it's the latter.

00:29:34.000 Will, thank you so much.

00:29:36.000 We're not tired of winning yet, Charlie.

00:29:37.000 We have a lot more wins to wrap up.

00:29:39.000 So, Will is the guy you want in your corner if the feds ever come after you.

00:29:42.000 Will, thanks so much.

00:29:44.000 Thank you.

00:29:45.000 Thanks a lot, Charlie.

00:29:48.000 The South Carolina primary is tomorrow.

00:29:51.000 And if you did not know any better, you would think that Donald Trump is from the state of South Carolina.

00:29:57.000 Certainly not Haley.

00:29:59.000 It's absolutely hilarious what we're getting.

00:30:01.000 They haven't even cast the votes yet.

00:30:03.000 I'm starting to wonder if she's going to lose by 50 or something.

00:30:08.000 So, Blake, what are some of the polling, the kind of reporting going into South Carolina?

00:30:15.000 I think my favorite was: I just checked Politico this morning, and they have this headline.

00:30:19.000 This is an actual headline right on the front page of Politico: She abandoned us.

00:30:25.000 Haley's South Carolina problem isn't just Trump.

00:30:29.000 The former South Carolina governor largely ignored the state's grassroots activist base.

00:30:33.000 And it's just an entire article of people in South Carolina saying, you know, they point out Nikki Haley's from here, but at this point, not really.

00:30:41.000 No one really cares.

00:30:41.000 Is that where we're at?

00:30:43.000 I think they open with this fact.

00:30:45.000 This is a quote from the article.

00:30:46.000 Since leaving the governor's office, Haley has largely ignored the state's grassroots activists, according to interviews with more than a dozen GOP operatives across South Carolina.

00:30:56.000 One striking illustration came in December when a junior-level staffer on Haley's campaign sent the South Carolina GOP an email asking how to find out about county party events so that Haley could begin sending surrogates to them.

00:31:11.000 This is the woman who once governed the state, and they're just totally detached from it.

00:31:16.000 And there was another poll from Winthrop University last month.

00:31:20.000 Haley has a favorability, not overall in South Carolina.

00:31:23.000 This is her favorability among South Carolina Republicans, 56%.

00:31:28.000 56%.

00:31:29.000 56%.

00:31:31.000 Favorability.

00:31:32.000 Now, it just goes to show how the Republican Party has dramatically changed in the last decade.

00:31:38.000 She was once kind of the heir apparent to the conservative movement. 0.96

00:31:42.000 Yes, and, you know, she's not overall, she is a lot more conservative than certainly some of the people who've been put forward to us as the alternative.

00:31:51.000 She's very hawkish, but the GOP was hawkish for a long time.

00:31:54.000 And just a lot of people did not evolve away from that, unfortunately.

00:31:58.000 Because I think if she had, we'd be more favorable to her.

00:32:01.000 There's still stuff we don't care for.

00:32:03.000 She was very much always had that temptation to submit to some of the Democrats' kind of like latest issue of the moment propaganda.

00:32:13.000 And then now she tries to awkwardly walk that back by making weird answers on what the Civil War was about.

00:32:19.000 It's definitely damaged her, not just because of the specific answers, but I think a lot of people have started to really see her as calculating, always trying to say the thing that will just let her become president eventually.

00:32:31.000 And it's really soured her.

00:32:32.000 And then in contrast, she just doesn't have that relationship with the base.

00:32:35.000 And there's no substitute for just putting in the time, putting in the effort, putting in the face-to-face communication.

00:32:43.000 And there's another line here.

00:32:44.000 More than a decade after she last won over conservative voters here, Haley has become a stranger at state and local party events.

00:32:51.000 She avoids silver elephant dinners.

00:32:53.000 She avoids party conventions.

00:32:55.000 She avoids grassroots gatherings as she embarked on a national speaking circuit and book tour.

00:33:00.000 I will say that one of the blessings of this is that a couple weeks ago, Nikki was in the running for vice president.

00:33:08.000 That is no longer the case.

00:33:09.000 Yeah, as we say, she's now she's just openly, they're sending mailers to Democrats, letting them know you can vote in this primary. 0.77

00:33:17.000 And it's just becoming more and more clear that she exists as a Democrat operation, essentially, because she distracts money and time and attention from Trump when the race is over. 0.99

00:33:30.000 You are running a protest candidacy.

00:33:32.000 And yeah, it very much kills the vice presidential idea, I think.

00:33:37.000 And in return for what you think she might run third party, I find that unlikely.

00:33:43.000 I'm just not sure who would back her in that case.

00:33:46.000 I don't think the no labels people really want Nikki Haley involved.

00:33:49.000 They want a more moderate streak to their campaign, more moderate even than Haley.

00:33:53.000 And it just doesn't, I don't see the path.

00:33:56.000 I think a lot of people, Pence, her, they have this delusion that eventually, you know, Trump will lose next fall, they believe.

00:34:03.000 And then this will cause this psychic break in the Republican Party and it'll just will rewind time and it will be 2005 again.

00:34:11.000 I don't think that's likely, but a lot of these people seem to really believe it.

00:34:14.000 And I bet if you're in their circles and if you only talk to their donors all the time, it's more believable.

00:34:19.000 You get in this bubble.

00:34:20.000 Yeah, it's the final prediction.

00:34:22.000 I think it's going to be a 30 to 40 point loss.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, I think it's going to be a total bloodbath.

00:34:26.000 I think it'll be a depressing beatdown.

00:34:28.000 She'll wish she was back to the days of losing.

00:34:29.000 What is she going to say in her speech tomorrow?

00:34:32.000 We gave it our all onward to Super Tuesday?

00:34:36.000 I guess.

00:34:38.000 And Trump will have then gone four for four.

00:34:40.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:34:40.000 I mean, he's going to win every single state.

00:34:43.000 It looks that way.

00:34:44.000 No, she is a Democrat sabotage campaign to screw up the data. 1.00

00:34:47.000 And I'm not really even sure her personal motivations here, except just trying to destroy the Republican Party.

00:34:53.000 I can't really figure out what it is otherwise.

00:34:57.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:59.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:01.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 23, 2024

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