The Charlie Kirk Show - Big Layoffs for Big Government with Vivek Ramaswamy

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today's Charlie Kirk show.

00:00:01.000 Vivek Ramaswamy joins us.

00:00:03.000 And Vivek, who is now in third place in the Republican primary, makes the case.

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00:00:33.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:14.000 Vivek, to his great credit, is coming to speak in West Palm Beach, Florida.

00:01:21.000 We have three presidential candidates, and to his great credit, he said, I'm all in.

00:01:25.000 That's one of the reasons why I think Vivek, not because he's speaking at our event, I wish we were that powerful, but one of the reasons why he's ascending in the polls is he wants to win.

00:01:34.000 I don't know why these other candidates, we just got a couple new rejections of a couple candidates that obviously have foreign countries to go visit or something else to go do.

00:01:43.000 Not really sure why, but Vivek Ramaswamy will be there, tpaction.com.

00:01:47.000 Vivek, I've been looking at the polls.

00:01:49.000 And again, I'm not a big poll guy, but I like looking at trends.

00:01:52.000 You are going up in the polls.

00:01:55.000 In fact, more so than a former vice president and governors.

00:01:58.000 What do you attribute your rise to, Vivek?

00:02:00.000 Well, Charlie, I'll tell you this.

00:02:01.000 We're actually just getting warmed up.

00:02:05.000 I don't know if you're one of the things I'm doing is in this campaign, I think you know this, speaking truth.

00:02:11.000 My job is not to tell people what they want to hear.

00:02:14.000 My job is to tell people what my true beliefs are, who I am, and be brutally honest about that.

00:02:20.000 I think that strategy is actually working.

00:02:22.000 Yes, we're working a lot harder than many of the other candidates.

00:02:25.000 I've done more campaign events than any other candidate on the campaign trail.

00:02:29.000 I think people are hungry for an outsider.

00:02:31.000 I'm the first millennial ever to run for U.S. president as a Republican Charlie.

00:02:35.000 So those are all things I have going in my favor.

00:02:37.000 But the number one hallmark of this campaign is our top slogan, truth.

00:02:42.000 Speaking the truth at every step.

00:02:44.000 As Thomas Sowell once said, if you care about somebody, you tell them the truth.

00:02:48.000 If you care about yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.

00:02:51.000 We're telling them the truth.

00:02:52.000 And I think that people across this country, I think they're attuned to the distortions from media or what they're fed from others that have a pretty good sixth sense over the last decade to be able to tell the difference between somebody who's given them political platitudes and poll-tested platitudes versus somebody who's actually sharing their bone-deep convictions.

00:03:11.000 And one of the things I'm seeing from our supporters, Charlie, is that not all of them agree with 100% of what I'm saying, but they may agree with 90% of what I'm saying, but still know that I mean it 100% of the time.

00:03:24.000 And so in many ways, our campaign strategy is to not be too strategic about what I say.

00:03:29.000 You and I have this relationship as well.

00:03:31.000 When we agree, we'll agree.

00:03:32.000 When we disagree, we disagree.

00:03:33.000 But what people really want is the truth.

00:03:35.000 And I think that that's what we're giving them. 0.98

00:03:36.000 Well, and you can't have the truth if you're a coward.

00:03:38.000 And that's why Aristotle believes that courage is the greatest of all the virtues, because you might believe in the truth or you might want to know the truth, but you have to have the courage to actually say it.

00:03:48.000 So just to recap it, the team is resending me the poll, but you kind of saw this spike.

00:03:52.000 So let's just kind of go back in time.

00:03:53.000 I don't know if this is a cause and effect, but Vivek, you were the only candidate to show up in Miami with the arraignment of Donald Trump, and you had a true thing there as your press conference.

00:04:04.000 Why did you decide to go to Miami?

00:04:06.000 And do you believe the voters recognized that when you visited?

00:04:10.000 I think in retrospect they did, Charlie.

00:04:12.000 That was, I promise you, not my objective in going.

00:04:15.000 My objective in going is speaking on behalf of principle.

00:04:19.000 I mean, let's be very honest.

00:04:20.000 It would be easier for all of us, myself included, to win an election if Donald Trump were not in the race.

00:04:27.000 But that's beside the point.

00:04:28.000 We have to stand on the side of principle to say that the United States of America should not be a country where the party in power uses police force to arrest its political opponents in the middle of an election, full stop.

00:04:41.000 And I don't care whether that's good for me politically or not.

00:04:45.000 I will say that at the time, there were a number of people who actually maybe more wise as political scientists than I. I'm not a political scientist or a poll predictor that predicted that we were going to see a massive spike in the polls about two weeks afterwards, which is what they say the trailing indicators are.

00:05:00.000 So maybe that did have an effect.

00:05:01.000 I don't know.

00:05:02.000 But I do think that Americans are hungry for leaders who stand on principle rather than on the base of self-interest.

00:05:10.000 Another thing I'll just lift the curtain on, Charlie, let's just talk openly.

00:05:14.000 I got calls from many donors, and I know almost certainly those same donors are calling the other major Republican candidates as well with the advice to say, do not touch that.

00:05:24.000 Stay away from that.

00:05:25.000 There's a good chance that Trump may not even be in the race.

00:05:28.000 Move and stay away.

00:05:30.000 Don't sully yourself.

00:05:31.000 And this is something that you actually are going to want to stay away from as he's going into a dark place there.

00:05:36.000 And I reject that.

00:05:36.000 Yep.

00:05:37.000 So maybe I lost some donors or mega donors over it.

00:05:40.000 But for me, one of the things that's also been liberating in this campaign is that we're not dependent on mega donors to do this.

00:05:47.000 If people want to follow us, that's great.

00:05:48.000 I won't turn it down.

00:05:49.000 But I've taken, you know, eight figures now over $15 million and counting of my own hard-earned money, put it into this campaign precisely because I don't want to listen to somebody else and what they have to say, viewing me as a puppet.

00:06:01.000 And the voters, I think, can tell a difference.

00:06:02.000 We have you for the full hour, Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:06:04.000 You know, we sent out that tweet saying, hey, you know, whoever wants to show up, I think it's a good idea.

00:06:09.000 And you listened and, you know, you saw it in the public thing.

00:06:12.000 You deserve a lot of credit.

00:06:13.000 And I think the voters are rewarding you for that.

00:06:15.000 I want to dive deep into the ideas behind the campaign.

00:06:18.000 That is, I think you could say it now.

00:06:21.000 It is the fastest growing campaign.

00:06:23.000 I think that's fair to say.

00:06:25.000 Vivek Ramaswamy beating Mike Pence, beating Nikki Haley.

00:06:29.000 What's going on here?

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00:07:34.000 Right now, the Republican primary field is going through some major changes.

00:07:40.000 It's hard to believe.

00:07:41.000 You have a former vice president not really registering, governors not registering, but a businessman with new ideas and a willingness to tell the truth is polling very, very well.

00:07:53.000 In fact, the field looks, it's Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis, Vivek, Ramaswamy.

00:07:59.000 Who would have ever thought that?

00:08:00.000 So, Vivek, let's talk about some of the issues here.

00:08:02.000 In particular, we saw on July 4th, a federal judge come in and say that the federal government is not allowed to police speech.

00:08:10.000 This is a great temporary injunction.

00:08:13.000 Your reaction, your thoughts.

00:08:14.000 So, Charlie, this is actually very personal to me.

00:08:16.000 It was a good July 4th gift.

00:08:19.000 In January of 2021, I was actually the first person to advance this legal theory on the page of the Wall Street Journal and elsewhere.

00:08:26.000 And in my book, Woke Inc., that government actors cannot threaten private companies to do through the back door what government could not get done through the front door under the Constitution, censoring protected speech.

00:08:39.000 And at the time, Charlie, legal scholars across this country dismissed that legal theory, saying this Rafiat is thinking that the First Amendment applies to a private company.

00:08:48.000 Has he not even gone to high school, let alone law school?

00:08:51.000 It was dismissed as a conspiracy theory to think that the government was even doing this.

00:08:55.000 Well, two and a half years later, what do we now know?

00:08:58.000 Another conspiracy theory is vindicated yet again.

00:09:01.000 Sometimes I think people need to rhyme.

00:09:03.000 So here, we'll make it simple.

00:09:04.000 If it is state action in disguise, then the Constitution still applies, period.

00:09:11.000 You cannot use a tech company as a puppet to silence speech that you could not censor directly.

00:09:17.000 Here's a rule of thumb, Charlie.

00:09:19.000 If Vladimir Putin was doing it, and we would call it a threat to democracy, then it's a threat to so-called democracy when we're doing it here at home as well.

00:09:28.000 And we would not look kindly on some foreign autocrat deputizing and threatening private companies to silence political expression.

00:09:35.000 Guess what?

00:09:36.000 Take a long, hard look in the mirror.

00:09:38.000 That's what we've been doing for the last three years in this country.

00:09:41.000 Kudos to this federal judge.

00:09:43.000 I continue to think that our judicial system is the last backstop for protecting our constitutional freedoms in this country.

00:09:51.000 And it gave me, frankly, a lot of gratitude to see that legal argument from two and a half years ago invoked by this federal judge to see that injunction through today.

00:09:59.000 You know, you have Alexei Navalani, who is facing decades in prison, and the United States State Department is issuing press releases.

00:10:07.000 This is yet another inhumane and terrible action by the Putin government who would dare to use police power to go after their political dissidents.

00:10:15.000 Simultaneously, that very same regime that is issuing virtue signaling press releases about Alexei Navalani is like, oh, yeah, by the way, Donald Trump might spend 40 years in jail.

00:10:28.000 It's extraordinary.

00:10:29.000 So, but let's say you're president of the United States, Vivek.

00:10:32.000 How would you rein in these administrative agencies?

00:10:34.000 Because one of my big fears is this court ruling is good.

00:10:37.000 I think they're going to ignore it.

00:10:39.000 I don't think they're going to bluntly ignore it.

00:10:41.000 I think they're going to say, eh, we'll just work around it.

00:10:43.000 They don't listen to courts.

00:10:44.000 They don't listen to presidents.

00:10:45.000 They are their own government with they march the beat of their own drum, their own cadence, and their own rhythm.

00:10:51.000 How would you as president, from a policy perspective, reign in the Leviathan?

00:10:57.000 So, Charlie, because I know you can handle the detail, I'm going to go into detail with you.

00:11:00.000 I think I'm the single presidential candidate in the last 30 years who has the deepest understanding of how to actually shut down the administrative state.

00:11:10.000 It is a false promise.

00:11:11.000 Any candidate who will tell you they're going to reform it, that is a false promise.

00:11:14.000 It cannot be reformed.

00:11:15.000 It is a leviathan that cannot be tamed.

00:11:17.000 You strike the swamp, that swamp will strike you back and eat you alive.

00:11:21.000 But what the U.S. president is constitutionally empowered to do is to actually shut it down.

00:11:27.000 I've said, I've found our list.

00:11:28.000 I'm glad other candidates are now taking it up as well.

00:11:31.000 List of the agencies we'd shut down, from Department of Education to ATF to FBI to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to a range of other agencies.

00:11:40.000 I've said that I would shut them down.

00:11:42.000 The top reason Republican presidents haven't done it in the past is they point to so-called civil service protections, which are these protections that say you can't fire members of the bureaucracy.

00:11:52.000 Well, Charlie, read the law carefully, as I've done.

00:11:56.000 Turns out those civil service protections apply to individual firings.

00:12:01.000 The whole point is they don't want a politically accountable president firing based on political motivations and individual employee.

00:12:07.000 We can debate whether we like that or not, but that's what the law says.

00:12:10.000 They do not apply to mass firings.

00:12:13.000 Mass firings are exactly what I'm bringing to Washington, D.C.

00:12:17.000 We have a clear plan to downsize that headcount by over 75%.

00:12:22.000 Clear plans to shut down agencies.

00:12:24.000 There's a law, little-known law, Charlie.

00:12:26.000 Not a single Republican president has had the spine or knowledge to use it.

00:12:30.000 It's the Presidential Reorganization Act of 1977.

00:12:33.000 It says you can actually shut down or reorganize agencies if it either stimulates the economy or reduces redundancies in agencies.

00:12:41.000 Well, when the DEA is pursuing some of the same cases that the FBI is in parallel, when you have, at the local level, you have local police and local prosecutors.

00:12:49.000 You don't have a separate FBI in between.

00:12:51.000 You meet the letter of that law when I will say as U.S. president, without asking Congress for permission or for forgiveness, we will shut down that same J. Edgar Hoover building of the FBI, the same J. Edgar Hoover FBI that was corrupt in the 1960s that's equally corrupt today.

00:13:07.000 We will shut it down because the law already gives me the authority to do it.

00:13:13.000 And Charlie, I think one of the positions that people don't pay attention to in the federal government, there's actually two of them.

00:13:18.000 People always ask me about my cabinet secretary appointments.

00:13:20.000 Yeah, we'll get to that, and I'm going to say who those are before the end of this year.

00:13:24.000 But the OPM, the Office of Personnel Management, the person who runs that, that's like the human resources department of the federal government.

00:13:31.000 The person who runs the Office of Management and Budget, OMB, it's like the CFO of the federal government.

00:13:37.000 Those are the most important positions.

00:13:39.000 And if I'm learning from President Trump's tenure, here's what I'm learning to build on that foundation and maybe not repeat some of the same learnings is that you need people in that position who aren't trying to be ambassadors of the administrative state, mediating the interests back and forth between the president and the administrative state.

00:13:56.000 I'm putting people in those positions that I know that are bulldogs that are seeing this through with one direction to actually shut this down without being ambassadors back to me.

00:14:05.000 So I can go into more detail, Charlie.

00:14:07.000 This is the most important topic domestically is shutting down that regulatory administrative state.

00:14:12.000 I know how to do it.

00:14:13.000 It's why I'm in this race.

00:14:14.000 It's going to take an outsider, but it's got to be an outsider who knows the law and understands the Constitution.

00:14:20.000 That's a rare combination, and that's a big part of why we're making the sacrifice to see this through and get this done.

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00:16:04.000 And so let's just, let's take one of these agencies, the Department of Education, which I think should just be wiped out.

00:16:10.000 It's completely irrelevant.

00:16:11.000 They wage war on parents.

00:16:12.000 They're terrible.

00:16:13.000 They're basically a crime syndicate for the teacher unions.

00:16:17.000 Let's just say Vivek says, okay, I want to stimulate the economy.

00:16:21.000 Is it that easy?

00:16:22.000 Are you trying to say, forget all these other abstract things?

00:16:25.000 Because Vivek, I remember being in the Trump White House.

00:16:27.000 I'll tell you a true story.

00:16:28.000 I was walking through the Trump White House 2018-19.

00:16:31.000 I visited, you know, praise God a lot of times, very blessed, probably well over 100 times.

00:16:35.000 And I was, you know, sitting in meeting low-level stuff, right?

00:16:38.000 But, you know, stuff that I cared about, college, all this.

00:16:40.000 And I remember saying, why doesn't the president just fire all this?

00:16:43.000 I was told can't do that.

00:16:44.000 It's against the law.

00:16:45.000 There's no prerequisite.

00:16:47.000 And, you know, we have to deal with the bureaucracy that we have.

00:16:50.000 Were they wrong to say that, Vivek?

00:16:53.000 Yes.

00:16:54.000 Yes, they were wrong.

00:16:56.000 And the answer is that the president is absolutely constitutionally empowered to do it.

00:17:00.000 5 U.S.C. 3302 says the U.S. president sets the regulations governing the Office of Personnel Management, the 1977 presidential reorganization statute, the mass firings not applying to the civil service protections.

00:17:13.000 They were being too humble, Charlie.

00:17:14.000 And this is the difference.

00:17:16.000 I'm not listening to advisors on this because I have a personal bone-deep conviction in what I'm telling you.

00:17:21.000 And the good news is I've also studied the current Supreme Court.

00:17:25.000 I give Trump a lot of credit for giving us that Supreme Court.

00:17:28.000 But those justices agree with my view on this.

00:17:30.000 I've studied their history of understanding of Article II of the Constitution and the use of executive power.

00:17:37.000 They absolutely agree with me on this.

00:17:38.000 So you know what's going to happen?

00:17:40.000 We will shut down the Department of Education in my first week on the job.

00:17:44.000 By the end of January 2025, that agency will not exist on my orders.

00:17:49.000 Of course, they're going to sue over it.

00:17:50.000 Some person who got fired is going to whine saying that they had some legal right to keep their job.

00:17:54.000 I'll say, great, let's take that to the Supreme Court.

00:17:57.000 I know that the Supreme Court now is on my side of this.

00:18:00.000 What do we do then, Charlie?

00:18:01.000 We codify that vision into judicial precedent so that the next guy who comes along after me isn't going to have to start with that same handcuffs on his hands.

00:18:12.000 And I come at this as a CEO.

00:18:14.000 If somebody works for you and you cannot fire them, that means they don't work for you.

00:18:21.000 It means you work for them because you're responsible for what they do without having any authority to change it.

00:18:27.000 And I'm sorry I refuse to be a hollowed out husk of a puppet going through the motions, sitting in that White House.

00:18:33.000 I give Trump a ton of credit for being the first president to ever roll that log over and see what crawled out.

00:18:40.000 But if you're going to roll that log over, you better bring the pesticide.

00:18:43.000 That's why I'm in this.

00:18:44.000 I've got fresh legs and we are now seeing that through.

00:18:47.000 That's why I'm in the race.

00:18:48.000 Well, and this is so fresh, Vivek, because, you know, there I am, a 25, 26-year-old walk into the White House, and I'm just rationally like, well, why don't we just get rid of this agency and this?

00:18:57.000 Can't do that.

00:19:00.000 And, you know, I could say the names on air.

00:19:01.000 They would be names that people would recognize.

00:19:03.000 But effectively, there was a false operating premise, the whole Trump White House, that all the civil service lifelong bureaucrats said, can't do that, can't do that, can't do that, can't do that.

00:19:15.000 And it really makes you think we need this kind of fresh problem-solving, entrepreneurial approach to say, no, no, actually, you could just go scorched earth, close this down, close that, close this, do that, close that.

00:19:28.000 And it really kind of makes you think.

00:19:30.000 So the FBI, is it time to close it down completely?

00:19:33.000 Is it time to relocate it out of D.C.?

00:19:35.000 Okay, so you say abolish the FBI.

00:19:38.000 Yes.

00:19:39.000 That's right.

00:19:39.000 So, at the local level, you've got local prosecutors and you've got local police.

00:19:43.000 You don't have an intermediary bureaucracy sitting in between.

00:19:46.000 I'm making my way.

00:19:47.000 My wife and I are both doing it.

00:19:48.000 This book called G-Man.

00:19:49.000 Everybody should read it.

00:19:50.000 It's called for Government Man.

00:19:52.000 It's about J. Edgar Hoover.

00:19:53.000 It is something about the institutional nature of that institution and that bureaucracy itself that is by design a formula for corruption.

00:20:01.000 It shouldn't have existed in the first place because you don't need something sitting in between the DOJ, which has its own problems, and we could talk about that separately, and the U.S. Marshals, which sit over here, which are like the cops, the actual federal cops.

00:20:14.000 When you put those tens of thousands of bureaucrats today still reporting into the J. Edgar Hoover building of the FBI, it is almost a formula for the creation of that form of corruption.

00:20:25.000 So I think it's a false promise for anybody to say, oh, you're fired the head of the FBI and get the bad apples out.

00:20:30.000 I using language that I hear from some of the other candidates that now want to check this box and feel good about checking that box.

00:20:36.000 That's not going to get the job done.

00:20:38.000 I couldn't get that job done because this is a beast that was created in the shadow of J. Edgar Hoover that's doing exactly what it did to Martin Luther King.

00:20:45.000 This isn't a left-wing issue. 0.71

00:20:46.000 Blackmailed him to commit suicide.

00:20:48.000 Now going after Trump or anybody who had any affiliation with Trump. 0.96

00:20:51.000 We have to shut the thing down.

00:20:54.000 And there's good evidence, Charlie.

00:20:55.000 I mean, we've gone through government shutdown periods where they threatened national security risk if they actually couldn't get paid or their employees were put on furlough.

00:21:03.000 Nothing bad happened.

00:21:05.000 To the contrary, I think we're actually going to have greater efficiency if the DEA has more accountability for its own drug cases rather than the FBI competing with it to take on those same cases.

00:21:15.000 I don't think we need the ATF.

00:21:17.000 The simple background kitchen that are done, fold that into the U.S. Marshals.

00:21:21.000 So this is where when you have redundant federal agencies, you're asking for corruption, you get what you pay for.

00:21:27.000 Absolutely shut it down.

00:21:29.000 And is there going to be some broken glass along the way, some frictional costs?

00:21:33.000 Yeah, there are.

00:21:34.000 We'll be honest about that.

00:21:35.000 But that's what it's going to take to restore three branches of government in this country, not four.

00:21:40.000 That's what the Constitution says.

00:21:44.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

00:21:45.000 Just when you thought the government would stop trying to take over health care, Senator Bernie Sanders, that socialist Marxist communist, is pushing something that is no good.

00:21:54.000 I need your attention right now.

00:21:55.000 I'm urgently asking you to support the Council for Citizens Against Government Waste to stop the Senate from passing the Sanders Bill S1339.

00:22:03.000 It would raise the price of prescription drugs by making it harder for pharmacy benefit managers to continue to save an average of $1,000 per year for 275 million Americans just like you.

00:22:12.000 Bernie Sanders, he does, he is a sneaky commie.

00:22:14.000 I'll tell you what.

00:22:15.000 He will not lower prescription drug prices despite what the bill says.

00:22:19.000 It will create a socialist healthcare system here in America.

00:22:22.000 I've read the bill.

00:22:22.000 It's dangerous.

00:22:23.000 You've got to stop it.

00:22:24.000 You have to sign lowermydrugprices.com.

00:22:27.000 I'm telling you, I'm involved in this.

00:22:29.000 You got to get into the game.

00:22:30.000 Add your name to thousands who are standing up and saying you don't want more government interference in healthcare, but you must hurry.

00:22:35.000 The Sanders bill will come up for a vote in only a few weeks.

00:22:38.000 Go to lowermydrugprices.com.

00:22:40.000 All of us together must oppose the Marxist Bernie Sanders lowermydrugprices.com.

00:22:48.000 There are several major issues that Republicans are kind of fumbling over.

00:22:52.000 The war in eastern Ukraine continues, Vivek.

00:22:54.000 I know that you've come under great fire for your clear and your prudent and your wise strategy.

00:22:58.000 Remind our audience how you would end the war in eastern Ukraine.

00:23:02.000 I'd end the war in Ukraine with a deal. 0.87

00:23:04.000 Yes, a deal with Vladimir Putin that brings peace to that region in the following way.

00:23:11.000 I would freeze the current lines of control.

00:23:13.000 We did that in the Korean War.

00:23:14.000 It's a Korean War-style armistice.

00:23:17.000 I would further give Putin the thing he asked for in late 2021, which was a hard commitment that NATO would never admit Ukraine. 0.89

00:23:26.000 Yes, are those big concessions to Putin?

00:23:28.000 They are.

00:23:29.000 But that would end the war.

00:23:30.000 And I would require something greater in return.

00:23:33.000 That is that Putin has to exit his military alliance with China.

00:23:39.000 The China-Russia military alliance is the single greatest threat we faced.

00:23:43.000 Nuclear weapons and the stockpile in Russia, hypersonic missiles.

00:23:46.000 China's got the second largest economy in the world that we're dependent on.

00:23:50.000 They're allied.

00:23:51.000 They're in a military partnership with one another.

00:23:53.000 So my simple deal is Putin gets what he wants out of Ukraine.

00:23:57.000 No NATO membership, keep the land that he currently sits on.

00:24:00.000 But that he has to get out of his deal with Xi Jinping.

00:24:03.000 Now, this makes Xi Jinping have to think twice before he invades Taiwan, because Xi Jinping's bet right now is that the U.S. won't want to go to war with two different allied nuclear superpowers at the same time if Russia's in his camp.

00:24:16.000 But if Russia's not in his camp, Xi Jinping doesn't have that confidence.

00:24:20.000 Couple of other things I'd demand in the deal that are easy gives for Putin are that he moves his nuclear weapons out of Kaliningrad.

00:24:26.000 That's the region that borders Poland.

00:24:28.000 Get the military of Russia out of Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba, will restore normalized economic relationships with Russia.

00:24:35.000 Those are things you're not allowed to say out loud, Charlie.

00:24:37.000 Certainly in the neocons and the Democratic Party, but even most of the Republican Party, you can't say those words out loud either.

00:24:43.000 But that is how we achieve peace, not only in Ukraine, but achieve the top job of the next president, which I understand how to do, is to deter China from going after Taiwan without going to war over it.

00:24:57.000 And it's really kind of sad that the almost entire Republican Party, with the exception of Trump and myself in this race, are lined up lockstock and barrel with the Biden position on continuing to go to war in Ukraine, on actually NATO expanding even more today when NATO was actually created to deter the USSR.

00:25:21.000 Now, after the USSR has fallen, NATO has expanded more than it ever has.

00:25:25.000 Now thinking about NATO supposedly was created to avoid the risk of nuclear war with the Soviet Union, its actions are actually driving us closer to nuclear war with Russia.

00:25:36.000 We have to find a path out in a way that advances American interests.

00:25:40.000 I think I'm the only candidate that has offered a clear vision of the deal that I would do and a clear reason why Putin would say yes to that deal.

00:25:48.000 He doesn't actually enjoy being Xi Jinping's little brother either.

00:25:52.000 This is a deal that he would do, and it is a deal that absolutely advances American interests while promoting peace, not only saving us the money, but also getting Russia out of China's camp instead of driving them into each other's arms, which is exactly what we're doing today. 0.59

00:26:07.000 We are doing that and it's making America in a compromised position and it's not putting our country first.

00:26:12.000 Vivek, we're out of time.

00:26:13.000 We will see you in West Palm Beach, Florida.

00:26:15.000 Look forward to it.

00:26:16.000 Thanks so much.

00:26:17.000 Yeah.

00:26:17.000 Looking forward to it, guys.

00:26:18.000 Thank you.

00:26:19.000 Thank you.

00:26:22.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:26:23.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:26:26.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

00:26:31.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 06, 2023

Big Layoffs for Big Government with Vivek Ramaswamy

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