The Charlie Kirk Show - Black Privilege with Heather Mac Donald and MTG

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00:01:06.000 Okay, everybody, there's some good news.

00:01:09.000 There's some good news despite all the garbage we're seeing on the horizon.

00:01:14.000 117 Republicans voted against Ukraine funding.

00:01:18.000 There actually was some good movement on a Ukraine amendment led by Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:01:23.000 She's been leading a very valiant fight.

00:01:25.000 Congresswoman Green, thank you so much for taking the time.

00:01:28.000 Tell us all about it, Marjorie.

00:01:30.000 Well, thank you so much for having me on, Charlie.

00:01:32.000 I'm very excited.

00:01:34.000 This has been quite an effort.

00:01:36.000 I've been messaging, telling all my fellow colleagues that the American people are sick and tired of funding a war in Ukraine.

00:01:44.000 And I even had anti-war protests on the steps of the Capitol earlier this week.

00:01:49.000 I have been introducing amendment after amendment to strip the money from Ukraine.

00:01:54.000 And we got that accomplished.

00:01:56.000 And it's really because of the people, Charlie.

00:01:58.000 Polling shows that most Americans do not support their hard-earned tax dollars going to Ukraine.

00:02:04.000 So that was a big win for me, but it was also done with 117 other Republicans that agreed with me.

00:02:11.000 All right.

00:02:12.000 So Marjorie, I'm busy doing all sorts of stuff.

00:02:16.000 You got to break it down for me because I'm sure if the audience, okay.

00:02:18.000 So did this pass the House of Representatives or pass a committee?

00:02:21.000 Was this a single issue bill?

00:02:23.000 Was this a rider?

00:02:24.000 Was this an amendment?

00:02:26.000 Just walk me through it because I want to make sure I understand it.

00:02:29.000 Yes.

00:02:29.000 Thank you so much, Charlie.

00:02:31.000 So the defense bill had $300 million for Ukraine inside the bill that has been there for years.

00:02:39.000 And this money goes into a special fund that the Biden administration has been using to send equipment and weapons to fund the war in Ukraine.

00:02:49.000 As a matter of fact, they have spent a lot of the money out of that fund that was built up over the years.

00:02:55.000 And so I've been demanding.

00:02:57.000 I think I'm one of the few members of Congress that has voted for zero dollars to go to Ukraine since it has started.

00:03:05.000 And I've been fighting very hard on the issue to stop it.

00:03:07.000 Well, what happened this week is because I really fought my conference so hard.

00:03:13.000 I'm the only Republican.

00:03:14.000 As a matter of fact, I voted with the Democrats to knock down the rule.

00:03:20.000 So I voted against the Republican rule for the defense bill, sending a strong message to my conference, sending a strong message that I am completely against the war money for Ukraine.

00:03:33.000 Then after that happened, I had a lot of conversations.

00:03:38.000 Again, I had an anti-war protest against the Ukraine war on the front of the Capitol steps.

00:03:43.000 I argued in conference that if they want to fund money for Ukraine, they need to strip it out and they can vote for it, that I'm not voting for it.

00:03:52.000 And there's other members that do not want to vote for it.

00:03:55.000 Well, thankfully, leadership listened.

00:03:57.000 And so what they did is they created another amendment that pulled the money out and we had to vote again on a separate rule that was pulled the money out of the defense bill.

00:04:09.000 So the defense bill came to the floor last night and we passed the defense appropriations bill, which is filled with so many great things, but we passed it with no money for Ukraine.

00:04:22.000 So then there was this also 311 to 117 vote.

00:04:26.000 Which one was that?

00:04:27.000 The 300 million?

00:04:28.000 Was that that did pass or that didn't pass?

00:04:31.000 I'm sorry.

00:04:31.000 I'm just trying to understand all this because tell us about that.

00:04:35.000 So that is a separate funding bill for Ukraine.

00:04:38.000 So there's 117 Republicans that voted against the $300 million that was originally inside the defense bill, but was stripped out and was a separate vote.

00:04:51.000 So what you're seeing is you're now seeing over half of the Republican conference is now against sending money to Ukraine.

00:04:59.000 Remember, this is a giant change.

00:05:01.000 This is a big, it's a big step in the right direction because in the beginning, Charlie, over 18 months ago, on the first vote when I voted no, I believe I was one of maybe three people, Thomas Massey and Matt Gates, I think were the only other two Republicans that voted with me against money for Ukraine.

00:05:21.000 But now 117 Republicans last night voted against funding for Ukraine.

00:05:28.000 And we passed a fully funded defense appropriation bill with no money for Ukraine.

00:05:34.000 I mean, this is, it's not a full victory.

00:05:37.000 I'm not saying that we completely stopped because we couldn't stop the 300 million, but we passed a defense bill funding the Department of Defense with no funding for the Ukraine war.

00:05:48.000 So Congresswoman Green, the government will quote unquote pause, slow down tomorrow if there's not an agreement met.

00:05:54.000 Do you anticipate the House being able to fulfill the mandate given by voters and or will the government shut down?

00:06:02.000 Please, what do you think is going to happen?

00:06:04.000 I'm anticipating a shutdown, Charlie.

00:06:07.000 That's from what I understand on the vote count that I've heard, that there is not enough votes to pass the CR.

00:06:14.000 And I have to tell you, Charlie, I really probably am against the CR myself.

00:06:19.000 And here's why.

00:06:20.000 I'm a successful business owner, Charlie, and I've always kept my business running, but we did it the right way.

00:06:26.000 And I'm very upset that Congress, this Congress that we control, actually went home in August and half of September, and we didn't stay in Washington and do our jobs, which we should have done.

00:06:38.000 As a matter of fact, we should have been here the entire year passing our appropriation bills because that is the job that we're supposed to do by the Constitution for the United States House of Representatives.

00:06:50.000 And I think we should stay here and keep doing our hard work to pass these appropriation bills, which we have been doing this week because we've actually been working at it.

00:07:01.000 So I don't see the CR proposed.

00:07:04.000 The Senate has already said that it's dead on arrival, the one that we're supposed to vote on today.

00:07:09.000 The Senate has said they won't pass it.

00:07:12.000 The White House has said they won't pass it because we know the Biden administration is America last.

00:07:17.000 So this vote that's about to happen is for a CR that probably won't pass the House and the Senate won't pass it and the White House won't pass it.

00:07:25.000 So it's a more, it's more wasted time where we should be working hard on our appropriation bills.

00:07:30.000 In closing, how does the border factor into all these negotiations?

00:07:34.000 The borders should be the number one concern. 0.76

00:07:37.000 And that has been my strongest argument, Charlie, is I have been fighting with my colleagues that the only border we should care about is the United States border, not Ukraine's border, and that we should be united as a government, no matter which political party we represent in defending and securing our border.

00:07:55.000 As a matter of fact, Charlie, I've had some pretty heated conversation with some of my colleagues that are all in for killing Russians, but yet they don't have enough courage to take on the Mexican cartels.

00:08:06.000 And I think that's the war that we should be focused on is the war that the Mexican cartels have waged against our country that's killing 300 Americans a day. 0.94

00:08:15.000 I just have to say, it's very creepy and weird when I hear people like we have to kill as many Russians as possible.

00:08:21.000 It's very dark, like very weird and dark for a country that really hasn't killed any Americans in the last, I'm not saying Russia is a good country. 0.99

00:08:28.000 I don't like the Russian government.

00:08:29.000 I don't like Putin, but it's like this fascination, this almost, I'll put it at that. 0.97

00:08:34.000 Let's just say this weird motivation to try to kill as many Russians as possible, which does nothing but hurts our geopolitical stance. 0.52

00:08:40.000 So, Marjorie, just in closing, you do think that opinion is changing on the Ukraine issue. 0.88

00:08:45.000 You see it.

00:08:46.000 I mean, Zelensky visits and he loses 117 votes.

00:08:50.000 So we have to keep the pressure on.

00:08:52.000 And then finally, is there any concern by even moderate Democrats to try to secure the border?

00:08:58.000 Are they all in for the invasion and the third worldification of America? 0.94

00:09:02.000 Charlie, I serve on the Homeland Committee, and I can tell you right now that Democrats are all in on the invasion of America.

00:09:09.000 As a matter of fact, I hardly hear any of them talk about border security measures.

00:09:13.000 As a matter of fact, they constantly defend migrants that are invading our country illegally. 1.00

00:09:20.000 So they're all in for migrants' rights, not the rights of United States citizens. 1.00

00:09:25.000 They don't care about Eagle Pass or any other border town.

00:09:28.000 They don't care about New York City being overrun.

00:09:30.000 They don't care about the people that are dying from fentanyl being trafficked across our border.

00:09:36.000 And they certainly don't care about migrant children that the Biden administration has lost.

00:09:40.000 And now we're getting close to 100,000 migrant children that no one knows where they are, but yet they still want to talk about Trump put children in cages.

00:09:52.000 It's really sad.

00:09:53.000 Charlie, it's unbelievable.

00:09:55.000 But unfortunately, Democrats do not care about securing our border one single bit. 0.90

00:10:00.000 Marjorie Taylor Green, keep the fight. 0.90

00:10:02.000 Thanks so much.

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00:11:04.000 So Senator Diane Feinstein has passed away, which means that there's an open Senate seat.

00:11:10.000 Gavin Newsom has pledged that he is going to fill that Senate seat in an affirmative action type way, obviously, not for someone who is qualified, not for someone who is smart, not someone who knows what they're doing.

00:11:23.000 No, the same way that Michelle Obama got into Princeton, the same way that Katanji Brown Jackson, et cetera, et cetera, he said that I am going to nominate or name a black female.

00:11:39.000 Now, there are 13 candidates who have announced that they are running for Feinstein's seat next year.

00:11:44.000 The big three are Barbara Lee, Katie Porter, and Adam Schiff.

00:11:47.000 Adam Schiff, unless he has some surgery and puts on blackface, Adam Schiff is not going to be in the running.

00:11:55.000 Poor Shifty Schiff, which I think is hilarious because Schiff has done all the virtue signaling stuff you could imagine.

00:12:01.000 And to have the very ideas that he's been advancing to come against him, I think is absolutely hilarious.

00:12:06.000 So Gavin Newsom has already said that the replacement for Feinstein, of course, will be a black woman, but that he plans to appoint someone who won't run for a full term in 24. 0.84

00:12:17.000 So it has to be a black woman. 0.99

00:12:19.000 So maybe it's Oprah, right, to serve out kind of like a celebrity term.

00:12:24.000 Oprah is not, man, I could do a whole show on Oprah, the sad, sad story of Oprah Winfrey.

00:12:31.000 Oprah Winfrey used to be one of the most important voices in America.

00:12:36.000 Her whole message was on empowerment, rejecting victimhood. 0.89

00:12:40.000 She had a very difficult upbringing, was raped, I believe, by her brother, her father, something insanely evil.

00:12:46.000 But her whole thing was about lifting yourself up by your bootstraps.

00:12:49.000 She was Chicago-based.

00:12:51.000 It was all about opportunity and insightful interviews.

00:12:55.000 And Oprah has changed. 0.51

00:12:58.000 Oprah has become bitter and nasty, kind of a lonely person, unfortunately, and very Eastern in her belief system now. 0.83

00:13:09.000 Yeah, Oprah still remains kind of the queen of the wine moms and publishes a lot of podcasts and book clubs for them. 0.78

00:13:15.000 Anyways, it could be Oprah. 1.00

00:13:17.000 So why are black women so entitled to the California Senate seat? 1.00

00:13:21.000 Well, they're not the overwhelming share of the population. 1.00

00:13:23.000 Black women are less than 5% of California. 0.98

00:13:26.000 It isn't that they've never had that job before. 0.95

00:13:28.000 Cami is a black woman, even though it's by Caribbean heritage. 0.94

00:13:33.000 I don't know how they make the rules.

00:13:34.000 It's really kind of strange.

00:13:35.000 She's Jamaican.

00:13:36.000 Is that count as black? 0.99

00:13:37.000 Who knows?

00:13:38.000 There are no rules.

00:13:39.000 So why is it okay to announce that I'm going to name a black woman? 0.85

00:13:43.000 And by the way, Kamala Harris is also Indian. 0.93

00:13:45.000 So does that make her black?

00:13:46.000 No, not really.

00:13:47.000 So is it a melanin thing?

00:13:49.000 You can't ask these questions because people are super afraid.

00:13:52.000 Now, I guess it could be Michelle Obama, but is she a resident of California?

00:13:56.000 Unless you could probably buy a place there.

00:13:59.000 I don't know.

00:14:00.000 So Joe Biden did the same thing, remember with Katangi Brown Jackson.

00:14:03.000 I am going to name a Supreme Court justice who is black. 1.00

00:14:08.000 So the left has decided that black women are America's master race. 0.99

00:14:13.000 Black women are the high priestess class of wokeism. 1.00

00:14:18.000 Black women are untouchable. 0.99

00:14:20.000 This is why Candace Owens is hated and feared so much, because Candace Owens is a strong, confident, powerful black woman who doesn't believe in Marxism. 1.00

00:14:32.000 That's why they hate Candace Owens so much and why Candace is so effective because she is supposed to be that. 1.00

00:14:40.000 Supposed to be on the left. 1.00

00:14:42.000 So they say America needs to listen to black women. 1.00

00:14:45.000 America needs to center black female voices. 0.76

00:14:47.000 Black women are the conscious of America. 0.85

00:14:49.000 They say these things. 0.95

00:14:50.000 Now, this is a really interesting attack vector.

00:14:54.000 Blake disagrees.

00:14:55.000 Blake doesn't think the black vote can be moved at all going into 2024.

00:14:58.000 I disagree.

00:14:59.000 I think it can move five to seven points.

00:15:02.000 Blake thinks it's a complete waste of time.

00:15:04.000 I disagree.

00:15:05.000 Black men, though, aren't you upset that black women are getting all these preferences?

00:15:11.000 It's not as if there's like a massive amount of black men in the U.S. Senate either. 0.86

00:15:15.000 But here's another option.

00:15:17.000 Democrats all admit in private that they have a big Cami Harris problem. 0.87

00:15:21.000 Nobody likes her. 1.00

00:15:22.000 So maybe they give her back her Senate seat. 1.00

00:15:25.000 Say, hey, come back home. 1.00

00:15:26.000 Come back and be a senator and no longer be VP.

00:15:30.000 Now, all of these are just rules.

00:15:32.000 They're not laws, but it's going to be very interesting because now the U.S. Senate business for the Democrats, as a shutdown is looming, pause, partial shutdown, is that they're one vote down.

00:15:42.000 So Gavin Newsom has to make a decision very, very quickly.

00:15:47.000 So, Gavin Newsom has to fit his identity politics criteria.

00:15:50.000 Gavin Newsom has to take orders from his boss, Nancy Pelosi.

00:15:55.000 Gavin Newsome also has to weigh his own political ambitions.

00:15:58.000 So, he puts someone in there that could potentially help him if he's called to come out of the bullpen.

00:16:03.000 So, I don't have time to fully kind of summarize this.

00:16:08.000 You are going to see a very interesting picture of what the Democrats are actually thinking in 2024 based on who they select for Diane Feinstein's vacated seat.

00:16:19.000 It's going to be a massive tell.

00:16:21.000 Watch closely.

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00:17:27.000 Heather, thank you for taking the time.

00:17:28.000 Heather, I want to start with you commenting on your visit to University of California, Berkeley.

00:17:33.000 Tell our audience all about the wonderfully tolerant students at UC Berkeley, where you come to talk about some rather non-controversial things, should be non-controversial.

00:17:43.000 Tell us about it.

00:17:44.000 Well, it is very controversial to tell students that they are actually the most privileged individuals in human history simply by virtue of being on a college campus and having access in theory to knowledge.

00:17:55.000 And there's nothing that makes black law students even more upset than being told that the reality in our world today is black privilege.

00:18:05.000 So I was doing a QA with Stephen Hayward about my book and saying that the reason that we have racial disparities today is not because of racism.

00:18:15.000 It's because of ongoing skills gaps and behavior gaps when it comes to crime.

00:18:21.000 And the students had already defaced the posters for my event with the phrase racist.

00:18:28.000 And the heckling, especially towards the end, grew very intense. 0.99

00:18:33.000 You know, who the heck are you? 0.97

00:18:34.000 You know, it makes me assaulted just being here. 1.00

00:18:37.000 Your presence is racist. 0.99

00:18:38.000 Your book is racist. 0.99

00:18:40.000 And when I said finally, you know, the reality today is black privilege, that resulted in utter pandemonium. 0.95

00:18:47.000 But, you know, as you know, Charlie, there's nothing more depressing than being in the face of the student mob and seeing the utter emotional, spiritual, psychological commitment to the lie that, especially if you're a black student, that you're the victim of racism.

00:19:07.000 I mean, it's preposterous on its face.

00:19:09.000 The Berkeley Law School is discriminating against Black students, but as simply an empirical matter, we know that the Berkeley Law School and virtually every University of California entity and campus is so determined to have black students and black professors that they are using vast racial preferences.

00:19:31.000 They are admitting students.

00:19:33.000 They are hiring faculty who, if presenting the same test scores, the same academic record, if they were white and Asian, would most likely be rejected. 0.56

00:19:45.000 So Berkeley Law School is absolutely fanatically committed to having black students there.

00:19:51.000 And yet these law students are just psychotically committed to the idea that they experience, as they said, we experience racism every single day here.

00:20:04.000 And I said, name me some names.

00:20:06.000 Name me a professor who is racist. 0.98

00:20:08.000 Name me an administrator who is racist. 0.96

00:20:11.000 And of course, they didn't even try.

00:20:13.000 Of course not.

00:20:14.000 No, you're exactly right.

00:20:15.000 I dealt with something similar, Heather, last week, where they just start screaming at you.

00:20:20.000 And I feel the same way.

00:20:21.000 It doesn't bother me as much as it bothers how I view the society, right?

00:20:26.000 I mean, that's really the depressing part.

00:20:28.000 Not they could say whatever they want towards me.

00:20:30.000 I think you feel the same.

00:20:31.000 Been through this for a decade, but I just think these are people that are supposed to go staff our institutions and to go run a business.

00:20:40.000 And, you know, I want to zero in on this, though, Heather, because you use a phrase that I've used, black privilege.

00:20:45.000 And it's true, right?

00:20:46.000 Whether it be watching television commercials where the commercials are obviously overstaffed with black actors not proportional to the population, affirmative action type, you know, standards that are there.

00:20:58.000 Talk about black privilege in society, because we're told about white privilege, but it's in fact the opposite.

00:21:03.000 Please expand on that.

00:21:05.000 Well, I would not even bother about the commercials.

00:21:08.000 It may be that that's a good example because it's the most obvious and visible to people.

00:21:12.000 But frankly, if capitulating to the phony racism narrative only meant a way disproportionate of blacks on commercials, I could easily live. 0.74

00:21:23.000 Fair enough.

00:21:23.000 I think that's a good point.

00:21:24.000 No, I think that's fine.

00:21:25.000 Yes.

00:21:26.000 It's much worse, Charlie, as you well know. 0.69

00:21:28.000 What we're seeing in medical schools is Black college seniors being admitted who would be automatically rejected if they were white and Asian because their test scores are so low.

00:21:39.000 And once they get in medical schools, they cluster in the bottom of the class because of academic mismatch.

00:21:45.000 And so what we're doing now is changing the standards for medical licensing to make sure that we pass on more black doctors without their low skills getting detected by a grading system. 0.52

00:21:57.000 Black faculty in medical schools are being hired and promoted.

00:22:01.000 Blacks are being put on the top of medical schools and cancer research centers with research records that are far inferior to the white males who were rejected. 0.89

00:22:13.000 And this is going on across the sciences.

00:22:15.000 We are destroying our capacity to compete with China in medical, in research, nanotechnology, computer research. 0.98

00:22:24.000 The fact of the matter is, if you're black today, you are going to be the first on the list to get hired and promoted if you have even remotely plausible qualifications. 0.99

00:22:34.000 I will believe in white privilege, Charlie, when I hear about a single black high school senior who chooses to put his race down as white because he thinks that that would be. 0.85

00:22:47.000 That is exactly right. 0.96

00:22:49.000 You've got a lot of white imposters wanting to be black because they accurately read the situation that being black today gives you an automatic entry into the media. 0.98

00:23:01.000 It gives you moral credibility. 0.98

00:23:03.000 And frankly, Charlie, there's a race hustle going on.

00:23:07.000 Whites are silent before it. 0.98

00:23:09.000 They're terrified. 1.00

00:23:10.000 They're either ignorant, they're complicit, and it has to end because we are tearing down meritocratic standards. 0.97

00:23:18.000 We are destroying ourselves as a civilization in the service of a false claim, which is that America today is systemically racist. 0.98

00:23:26.000 It is not.

00:23:28.000 I think that's perfectly said.

00:23:29.000 And then when you ask, you know, very basic questions, such as, you know, blacks are 12 to 15% of the population, depending on which census you take, and yet commit 60% of the violent crime or 55 to 60%. 0.98

00:23:42.000 Heather, why is that the case? 0.82

00:23:43.000 Why do blacks commit so much more crime than the percentage that they compose in the country? 1.00

00:23:48.000 Well, one of the primary reasons is the pathologies of the inner city. 0.99

00:23:53.000 And the primary among those pathologies is the breakdown of the black family. 1.00

00:23:57.000 You have 71% of black children now being born out of wedlock. 1.00

00:24:01.000 When Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his present warning in 1965, saying that civil rights progress will come to a halt unless the breakdown of the black family ends, because black boys are not being socialized by their fathers.

00:24:16.000 They're being raised by single mothers who were not able to do it. 0.97

00:24:20.000 Moynihan thought we were at the end of any further civil rights progress and being able to expect further racial equality when the black out of redlock birth out of wedlock birth rate was 23 percent.

00:24:32.000 Moynihan said this is a catastrophe.

00:24:34.000 It is now 71 percent.

00:24:37.000 But beyond just the family breakdown, you have a whole stigma against acting white, which is defined by making effort in school, by showing up to your class, by going to school, by taking your textbooks home to study.

00:24:52.000 All of that is demeaned as acting white, and you have the glorification of gangster culture. 0.55

00:24:58.000 So it's very bad. 0.97

00:25:00.000 I mean, the country is being held hostage, Charlie, to black dysfunction. 1.00

00:25:05.000 Let's face it.

00:25:06.000 I mean, nobody wants to say it, but we all seen the video.

00:25:09.000 Yes.

00:25:09.000 This looting, the shoplifting, the fact that stores are closing down.

00:25:13.000 It's all because of black crime. 1.00

00:25:16.000 And the stores, whether it's Walmart or CVS or Target, they would rather simply shut down and deprive their law-abiding customers of their prescription availability of being able to shop for necessary first aid materials than to arrest shoplifters and being accused by the ACLU of racism because the mass majority of shoplifters and looters that they will arrest in a colorblind fashion are black. 0.98

00:25:44.000 And so we've all decided we're going to turn our eyes away from black crime, put up with it, then actually enforce the law and have a disparate impact on black criminals. 1.00

00:25:53.000 That has to end, Charlie. 0.98

00:25:55.000 Well, and we even subsidize it.

00:25:56.000 We pay off looters after Floyda Palooza, major metropolitan cities were issuing tens of millions of dollars in I'm sorry payments for people that were arrested.

00:26:06.000 Heather, and equally as concerning pathology that I want your comments on, why are so many whites, so many elite whites, with you call them woke or whatever you want, why are they the ones pushing this?

00:26:19.000 Because this is what's so fascinating.

00:26:20.000 This is not a black-led movement.

00:26:22.000 I mean, you have a couple of the charlatans, formerly Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Tahanisi Coates, and Ibram X. Kendi and all that.

00:26:31.000 But it seems as if that the intelligentsia that is really pushing this forward is disproportionately white.

00:26:37.000 What is that all about?

00:26:39.000 I'm going to do a little game on you, Charlie, and say that you're engaged in the same white bashing as the elites in a sense, because I hear this all the time from conservative whites who want to hold blacks harmless and say, well, the problem is us whites, the left-wing elite whites.

00:26:55.000 I disagree.

00:26:56.000 I think it's absolutely mutual codependency. 0.86

00:27:00.000 I don't think that black leaders should get a pass on this.

00:27:03.000 There's far too few that are speaking up for personal responsibility. 0.91

00:27:07.000 And the vast majority are playing the race hustle.

00:27:10.000 So that is not, it's not just that it's whites foisting this on everybody else. 0.60

00:27:15.000 As far as those elite whites, of course, you're absolutely right. 0.92

00:27:19.000 You know, you saw this most nauseatingly after George Floyd with every college president beating his chest and saying, oh, woe is me.

00:27:26.000 I preside over a racist institution.

00:27:28.000 When Google, Amazon all said they're presiding over racist institutions and they all pledged to up their hiring of blacks, even though it's already disproportionate compared to the ratio of actually qualified blacks.

00:27:41.000 And it's because of racial guilt.

00:27:43.000 It's because of it was a long-deferred awakening in America.

00:27:47.000 We were a white supremacist country. 0.84

00:27:49.000 We were a country that exercised white privilege in an extraordinarily brutal, callous, and cruel way. 0.88

00:27:56.000 And that took far too long to end, but end it did. 0.82

00:28:01.000 But these whites feel like their only moral legitimacy comes from bashing other whites and claiming to be still presiding or looking upon a racial injustice.

00:28:14.000 And nobody better personifies this than Joe Biden.

00:28:17.000 I was always appalled by the fact that conservative commentators were willing to play into this notion that he's a uniter.

00:28:25.000 This was coming from the Wall Street Journal.

00:28:27.000 It was coming from Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro, that, oh, what a wonderfully unifying inaugural speech he gave.

00:28:33.000 No, he was bashing whites even in his inaugural speech. 0.95

00:28:37.000 And he made that a theme that whites are still perennially racist. 0.99

00:28:41.000 It's the stain on America's soul. 0.80

00:28:43.000 It was a stain on our soul, but it is not now, Charlie.

00:28:47.000 And as you say, the reality today is black privilege.

00:28:51.000 As long as we continue to that the only allowable explanation for racial disparities is racism and that standards that have a racial disparate impact are racist and we tear them down, we are ending. 0.82

00:29:05.000 And white males, you guys, it's over for you. 0.79

00:29:09.000 You may be the most qualified applicant to a law school or a law firm.

00:29:14.000 You will be the last considered.

00:29:15.000 You may be a college senior who's done amazing lab work in a cancer lab.

00:29:22.000 During your undergraduate years, you may have the best MCATs.

00:29:26.000 You still will be waitlisted at most of your medical schools simply because you're white and male.

00:29:31.000 Get a grip.

00:29:33.000 See what is happening.

00:29:35.000 We figure out a language to.

00:29:37.000 I think, and I appreciated the correction, Heather, because I totally agree 100%.

00:29:41.000 But I would also say, you're right.

00:29:42.000 White males don't get a grip. 0.99

00:29:44.000 And that's part of what my question was, is that there is this kind of sitting on the sidelines, complacency of whites that are just allowing this anti-white agenda to continue. 0.93

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00:31:09.000 So, Heather, just give our audience the numbers again.

00:31:12.000 We've done this before on the program, where you talk about what does an average black need to get as a test score to get into UC Berkeley or Stanford?

00:31:20.000 And what does a white student usually, I mean, how big is that gap?

00:31:24.000 How much preference is there?

00:31:26.000 Is it 100 points, 200 points?

00:31:30.000 How big is that gap?

00:31:32.000 Well, it's very hard to pry the data out from these universities.

00:31:37.000 There's a guy who studies what's called academic mismatch, which is the fact that when you give a huge preference, catapult blacks into academic environments where they're not qualified, they don't do well.

00:31:49.000 He's been fighting to get University of California data and he's not getting it.

00:31:52.000 We know from Harvard, the recent preference case, that Harvard is about 14% Black.

00:32:01.000 And if it did not have racial preferences, giving Blacks enormous advantage in admissions, it would be less than 1% Black.

00:32:09.000 And Harvard has the pick of every top-scoring Black student in the country.

00:32:15.000 But even with that, the students are mostly there because of racial preferences.

00:32:21.000 So in some schools, it's a 200-point advantage.

00:32:26.000 You're being treated equally as Asians with 200 points on the SATs. 0.94

00:32:33.000 If you were white or Asian, you'd need those. 1.00

00:32:37.000 And if you're Black, you're going to be admitted with those. 1.00

00:32:39.000 So these are massive differences in statistics.

00:32:42.000 It's known as a standard deviation, which is a basically fancy word for saying a very big statistical gap.

00:32:50.000 And a lot of preference beneficiaries know this.

00:32:53.000 You know, it depresses effort.

00:32:55.000 They basically, I remember a New York Times article from the 90s when people were sort of semi-waking up to affirmative action and then they all went back to sleep again.

00:33:04.000 But the Times interviewed some student who said, well, I know I don't need to study as hard because I'm Black and I'll get in with much lower scores and GPA.

00:33:12.000 So it's ubiquitous.

00:33:15.000 In medical schools, students, you know, medical students have like a 57% chance of admission if they're black with mediocre scores that would be about 5% if Asian or white, you know, making blacks nine times more likely to get admitted to medical school with mediocre grades than if they were Asian.

00:33:37.000 And these preferences matter again because they never end.

00:33:42.000 You know, I'm not going to justify it, but maybe if we would say, okay, we'll let everybody into college, but then there's going to be a point when merit matters and we're not going to pass through.

00:33:53.000 And we can be confident that that doctor coming through the emergency room door is there because he was the best doctor and not because he was the best black doctor. 0.99

00:34:02.000 But in fact, the preferences never end.

00:34:04.000 Yeah.

00:34:05.000 And all the way through, you don't have to get the same grades to graduate.

00:34:09.000 And I mean, and this is one of the big issues, Heather, and we'll have to have you on again.

00:34:13.000 One, I'm starting to see some momentum finally in conservative circles.

00:34:17.000 Christopher Caldwell deserves a lot of credit, where we can kind of go back to when they re-founded the country when most people don't realize it, which was the civil rights leviathan.

00:34:26.000 Tease that out, Heather.

00:34:26.000 It's a huge topic, but the more we can talk about it, the better.

00:34:30.000 Well, the civil rights idea was the idea that America, again, was profoundly racist and needed to basically change the law to get rid of colorblindness.

00:34:39.000 So the laws in theory looked to be colorblind, but they were immediately interpreted to require preferences.

00:34:45.000 And so whites were basically, though they were the vast majority historically, this has been a country with European background.

00:34:52.000 They were treated as the last on the totem pole.

00:34:55.000 And the country became dedicated to this ideology of multiculturalism, which is relativistic, says that you cannot honor Western civilization, even though it was the most successful civilization that has given the world prosperity, freedom from fear, from sickness, from abuse.

00:35:15.000 Every third world person of color wants to come to the United States because it's so successful.

00:35:20.000 And yet we go around saying that the West is uniquely barbaric and racist.

00:35:25.000 That is completely lie.

00:35:27.000 I'll be willing to pay reparations, Charlie, when I see African presidents saying our country is going to pay reparations for our role in the slave trade. 0.99

00:35:36.000 Britain had to occupy Lagos because in the 19th century when Britain was patrolling the seas against slave trading ships, Lagos insisted on maintaining its slave trade.

00:35:48.000 So Africa was utterly complicit and it continued as long as it could trading blacks into slavery when the West had said no more. 0.91

00:35:57.000 Heather McDonald, when Race, Trump's Merit, an excellent book, also checked out Diversity Delusion, equally as great.

00:36:04.000 Heather, thank you so much.

00:36:05.000 So great to be with you, Charlie.

00:36:06.000 Thank you.

00:36:07.000 Thank you. 0.92

00:36:07.000 Heather is so powerful. 0.92

00:36:09.000 Read her stuff.

00:36:10.000 It's time that we start speaking the truth about what's happening in America.

00:36:16.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 29, 2023

Black Privilege with Heather Mac Donald and MTG

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