The Charlie Kirk Show - Blatant Election Fraud and Marxism's March Through Our Institutions with Dinesh D'Souza

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00:03:10.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:12.000 Joining us today is Dinesh D'Souza.

00:03:15.000 Dinesh, how are you doing?

00:03:16.000 Hey, great to be on the show.

00:03:17.000 Yeah, you've been on a couple times.

00:03:19.000 You just spoke to our students here at our Student Action Summit in Palm Beach.

00:03:23.000 You are wonderful.

00:03:24.000 Great mood.

00:03:25.000 People are fired up, and I love speaking to young people who have looking for wisdom and they already have courage.

00:03:32.000 And so it's a nice combination to appeal to.

00:03:35.000 Both inside and out, which was nice.

00:03:37.000 Yes, no, it was.

00:03:38.000 I was up on a little kind of an old-style soapbox, like one of those politicians from the 30s, you know.

00:03:44.000 And so it's a cool feeling.

00:03:46.000 Very good.

00:03:47.000 Well, there's a lot happening in our country right now.

00:03:49.000 You have been long warning about the gangsterization of American politics.

00:03:53.000 And part of that is what has been perfected in Chicago with voter fraud.

00:03:57.000 Can you just give our audience your opinion of what's happening right now with the evident and apparent theft of this election?

00:04:04.000 Yeah, the left had a strategy that we sort of knew about, but were not prepared for.

00:04:12.000 Their strategy was: we will let those guys focus on the campaign, and we will control the mechanics of the election.

00:04:20.000 So it seemed weird in retrospect that Biden was uninterested in campaigning.

00:04:24.000 This guy was just walking around with a mask, calling a kind of a lid on events by 11 a.m.

00:04:31.000 And we were at it, and Trump was at it, one rally after another.

00:04:35.000 And in a sense, we seemed invincible.

00:04:37.000 But it wasn't that they were doing nothing.

00:04:39.000 What they were doing is they were organizing the count.

00:04:42.000 They were getting the mail-in ballots out.

00:04:44.000 They were making sure that our observers were a long, safe distance away.

00:04:49.000 So they were orchestrating the mechanics of the election, which is, again, unprecedented.

00:04:54.000 Every previous election, I've lived through now six or seven American major elections.

00:04:59.000 And all of them are elections in which you fight about the argument.

00:05:04.000 And then you let the American people, this is the first time where you have this gnawing feeling that this was an election unlike any other, because this was an election in which one side made sure it controlled the counting mechanism and then dared us to sort of prove it.

00:05:19.000 And it seems that a lot of Republicans are unwilling to even look into it.

00:05:23.000 And historically, we know that voter fraud is something that has existed.

00:05:28.000 It has been perfected by the Democrat Party.

00:05:30.000 And we're not even allowed to talk about it.

00:05:31.000 Even the mention of voter fraud can get you kicked off of social media.

00:05:36.000 And so how are we supposed to unpack this now that we're basically being forced to accept Joe Biden as president?

00:05:44.000 I think it puts us in a very bad situation because it's one thing to lose fair and square.

00:05:51.000 And we have lost fair and square and we have accepted the outcome.

00:05:56.000 It's normal for people who lose to be sulky about it, but then to try to think, okay, you know what?

00:06:02.000 I'll have a better shot next time.

00:06:04.000 Under normal circumstances, we would regroup and say, look, you know what?

00:06:07.000 Maybe something went wrong with the messaging.

00:06:09.000 Maybe it is the case that Trump provoked a lot of anti-Trump blowback.

00:06:16.000 Maybe it is the case that we can now rally for a midterm and take the House and hold the Senate.

00:06:23.000 But if at the bottom of your heart you know that this is a system of election rigging that the other side has put in place and that they're not going to be held accountable for and therefore they will continue with it, then it's sort of the end of American politics.

00:06:39.000 Because ask yourself this: what is the point of us getting our message out?

00:06:43.000 What is the point of me making movies?

00:06:45.000 What is the point of me educating people?

00:06:47.000 Because at the end of the day, the other side is in control of the counting system.

00:06:53.000 So it forces, I think, us into a position in which we've got to say, if this cannot be fixed, we are now in a, I would almost say, in a revolutionary situation.

00:07:04.000 By that, I mean the social compact, which basically brings people together that you agree to abide by certain rules, is that that social contract has become effectively dissolved.

00:07:15.000 Well, when the social contract becomes dissolved, then you have chaos.

00:07:19.000 And is that by design?

00:07:22.000 And what can we possibly do to prevent against that?

00:07:25.000 Well, the left's goal is not chaos, of course.

00:07:29.000 It is enforced conformity.

00:07:31.000 And I think we have now awakened to the terrifying assembly of forces that they can bring into coordination.

00:07:38.000 Think of a guy, think of a guy, an Antifa guy on the street, and then think of a digital media censor sitting in an office somewhere, let's say at Google or at Twitter.

00:07:49.000 Now, those two guys are different guys.

00:07:51.000 They're doing something quite different, but the effect is the same.

00:07:55.000 The point of Antifa is to treat intimidation.

00:07:59.000 The point of digital censorship is to do the same thing by sending the message that if you, Charlie, you, Dinesh, you cross certain lines, we're going to drop that sword of Damocles on your head.

00:08:11.000 And so it makes us more cautious.

00:08:14.000 So, bottom line of it is: enforced conformity is what they're all about.

00:08:19.000 They want to make us live in their world.

00:08:22.000 It's Orwell, straight out.

00:08:24.000 And if we refuse to do that, we then have to think about what are the ways we can carry out that refusal.

00:08:31.000 Well, but a lot of people are wondering if they are going to continue to control the vote tabulation systems and no one seeming to fight.

00:08:38.000 But then where does this lead us?

00:08:40.000 You just said it's the end of American politics.

00:08:42.000 Well, that's the end of the country then.

00:08:44.000 It is the end of the.

00:08:45.000 It is the end.

00:08:47.000 The sad thing is that much of the world lives like this.

00:08:52.000 You know, if I were to, when I was growing up, my family voted, but they voted perfunctorily, almost like, okay, it's election time, we're going to go out and vote.

00:08:59.000 We are under no illusion that our vote is going to make any difference.

00:09:03.000 It didn't feel like you were representative government.

00:09:06.000 No, in fact, there was the belief that there's a political class that operates by its own rules.

00:09:11.000 Corruption is the name of the game.

00:09:13.000 Sure, if people tell me today, they're like, Dinesh, what you're doing, if you tried to do in India, if you said about the Indian prime minister the kinds of things that you've said about Obama, for example, someone would come to your house and break your legs.

00:09:26.000 Well, they did that differently to you, but that's the point. 0.81

00:09:29.000 True.

00:09:29.000 But what I'm getting at is that American exceptionalism is an assertion that America doesn't function like that, or we operate under rule of law.

00:09:39.000 So one by one, our faith in these key institutions, let's look at them, academia.

00:09:44.000 We knew academia was left, but at least we looked at academia as a place where you could learn and debate things.

00:09:50.000 Not anymore.

00:09:51.000 The media.

00:09:52.000 We knew the media was left, but the idea that the media would become the instrument of repressing speech or that the media could somehow think for a moment about the Biden scandal.

00:10:03.000 Now, I was thinking to myself, how many news organizations are there in the country?

00:10:07.000 I'm talking about the mainstream media, thousands of journalists, right?

00:10:07.000 Hundreds.

00:10:11.000 We believe in free markets. 0.99

00:10:13.000 Now, if the majority of journalists go, I'm not going to cover the Biden scandal, surely there's going to be one enterprising reporter at the San Diego Union or the Sacramento B or the Dallas Morning News or Channel 4 in LA who goes, listen, all my idiot buddies don't want to cover this. 0.97

00:10:30.000 I will cover it. 0.96

00:10:31.000 I will become a sensation.

00:10:33.000 I will become the new Walter Cronkite.

00:10:34.000 But see, even that guy was scared because even that guy knew that he'd have no future if he tried to do that.

00:10:40.000 So how do you enforce conformity to that degree?

00:10:43.000 This, I think, is something that has become very evident and also very disturbing.

00:10:48.000 Yeah, and they enforce that conformity through a variety of different ways, social pressure, through I think digital social media has actually really hurt the diversity of ideas, which is the exact opposite of what you would actually think.

00:11:03.000 You would think because more people have access to supercomputers, more access to portals of information, more capacity to create, you'd think that there would be more people actually trying to go and push against the grain and actually try to be truth tellers.

00:11:16.000 But you have someone who I disagree with a lot of public policy, but I think is a very courageous person, Glenn Greenwald, who gets kicked out of the intercept because he just wants to cover the Hunter Biden story.

00:11:27.000 You also have Barry Weiss from the New York Times with that exact same kind of issue, New York Times opinionary page.

00:11:35.000 And so I guess this leads a lot of people begging the question, how much longer can this civilization actually continue with the cultural damage that's obviously been happening, the institutions that we have been lost, the political vote tabulation problems.

00:11:52.000 It seems as if a lot of the core, the core traditions that we had in the West that at least kept us together through these, that would allow us to survive stress tests, they're disappearing.

00:12:04.000 The left got about this business and has been about it in some ways for 100 years.

00:12:12.000 They ramped it up in the 1960s, but they thought of it in the 1930s.

00:12:18.000 There was an Italian communist named Gramsci in the third.

00:12:20.000 Antiochi.

00:12:21.000 Yeah, Antonio Gramsci.

00:12:23.000 And Gramsci is pondering this question. 1.00

00:12:25.000 Why is the working class not revolting?

00:12:28.000 You know, he's a Marxist.

00:12:29.000 He's expecting, Marx predicted the working class will revolt.

00:12:32.000 Culturally.

00:12:33.000 And so Gramsci goes, well, here's why they're not revolting.

00:12:36.000 Because even though their economic interests are driving them to revolt, they are members of families.

00:12:41.000 And their wife is telling them, don't go throw stones.

00:12:44.000 And they go to church.

00:12:46.000 And their pastor is telling them, wait for the next world.

00:12:49.000 So according to Gramsci, the reason that bourgeois, that there isn't a revolt against the bourgeoisie by the working class, is the working class has been culturally assimilated by the capitalist system.

00:13:02.000 So Gramsci goes, we have to do the opposite.

00:13:06.000 What we have to do is introduce a culture of the left. 0.65

00:13:10.000 And to do that, we have to undermine the churches, take over the universities, undermine the nuclear family, create new types of families.

00:13:19.000 So the left has been doing this. 0.64

00:13:21.000 Now, oddly enough, it is a peculiarity of the right.

00:13:26.000 And see, this is true of, say, for example, conservative entrepreneurs.

00:13:29.000 The ordinary entrepreneur focuses on his business, right?

00:13:33.000 How much thought does he give to how do I protect the entrepreneurial system from the systemic political and cultural attack that's coming?

00:13:42.000 Almost no time to that.

00:13:43.000 And the only time they give is improper.

00:13:44.000 They give to the Chamber of Commerce, which does the opposite.

00:13:46.000 So anyway, right.

00:13:48.000 And then if I go to them and say, look, I'm trying to make a movie, they will say things like, well, what is the return on my investment likely to be? 0.60

00:13:56.000 And I'm like, look, I'm going to try very hard to get you your money back, but the real reason I'm doing it is I'm trying to fight the cultural assault on the West. 0.68

00:14:04.000 If you go out West on a covered wagon and there are all these outlaws, I'm sort of like a hired gun is going to help keep those guys at bay. 0.87

00:14:12.000 So it's in your interest to support this.

00:14:16.000 This is a cost of doing business for you in the end.

00:14:19.000 It's tough to make this case, as you know, because our side doesn't think that way.

00:14:25.000 And the other side does.

00:14:26.000 Our side does not think systemically.

00:14:28.000 And I hate to use that term because it's so overused, but they don't think in terms of systems.

00:14:33.000 And that's part of the brilliance of being a conservative and being an entrepreneur is you actually think about your own specific enterprise.

00:14:40.000 And there's only so much people can focus on.

00:14:42.000 But the left and Gramsci was the beginning of the idea of cultural Marxism.

00:14:48.000 And it was kind of built out further through a lot of other thinkers.

00:14:53.000 I could use that word loosely.

00:14:54.000 And you've covered this extensively.

00:14:56.000 And I learned this from you, the Frankfurt School, Marcuse, Angela Davis, Noam Chomsky to a lesser extent.

00:15:04.000 And this was furthered by the postmodernist nonsense that came into our country through Michelle Foucault and many others.

00:15:12.000 And I think what a lot of conservatives don't recognize and understand is that this is a lot less of an economic debate and a lot more of a cultural debate.

00:15:23.000 And so a lot of where we focus our attention when we come, and you wrote a whole book on this, and I want you to talk about that, on socialism as, well, it doesn't work economically.

00:15:32.000 All that stuff is true, by the way.

00:15:33.000 And you kind of get big pie graphs, you know, charts and graphs.

00:15:37.000 When in reality, the left is laughing.

00:15:38.000 They're like, we're going to destroy the capitalist system, not because we've made better arguments, but because we're going to deprive people of meaning and they're going to resort to us.

00:15:49.000 And we're going to go up to these businesses and intimidate them and accuse them of being racist and that they're so afraid of that kind of accusation that they will literally beg us to submit a list of non-negotiable demands and then accede to all of them.

00:16:06.000 The left realized early on, this again comes out of Marxism, they realized that the working class is not going to revolt.

00:16:12.000 And so what Lenin said is, we need a professional class of revolutionaries who will revolt on their behalf.

00:16:19.000 Well, the same can be true of our side.

00:16:22.000 We can say that, look, the entrepreneur has actually not going to be the one in the front lines defending capitalism.

00:16:27.000 We need a professional revolutionary class of conservatives who will do that.

00:16:32.000 But we need the entrepreneur to recognize that this class is fighting on their behalf.

00:16:38.000 But this class has got to fight not just in the political, but also in the cultural domain.

00:16:43.000 In other words, not merely to be critics of culture.

00:16:46.000 Notice that the left, they're critics of culture.

00:16:49.000 They dominate the field of, let's say, movie critics, but they also dominate the field of making movies.

00:16:54.000 Movie production, yeah. 0.86

00:16:55.000 It was very important to the left to control the means of production.

00:16:59.000 And think of it: here we are in digital media, but we don't control the means of production.

00:17:04.000 Somehow, the guys who run Twitter and Google and Instagram are leftists.

00:17:10.000 So we are at their mercy.

00:17:12.000 The left realized that for them to win, they needed to control the means of production.

00:17:16.000 I think the same is true of our side.

00:17:18.000 So this is a question we get a lot, and it might sound like a silly question, but can you help define what the left is?

00:17:25.000 You've used that term a couple times.

00:17:26.000 I use it all the time.

00:17:27.000 Believe it or not, we've gotten that question thousands of times the last couple months, and I actually have meant to address it.

00:17:32.000 Who is the left?

00:17:34.000 Is it a group of people?

00:17:35.000 Is it an ideology?

00:17:36.000 Is it a mixture of both?

00:17:38.000 I think the roots of the left, if you want to look at it in its kind of most fundamental way, is there are typically two classes of people in society that compete for power.

00:17:49.000 And this goes back to ancient times, to the very rise of capitalism.

00:17:53.000 So there was a merchant class, which were the entrepreneurs coming into power.

00:17:58.000 But who was resisting them?

00:18:00.000 Who was resisting them was, I would call it the class of people who are defined by men of letters.

00:18:06.000 So take somebody who is, for example, a courtier at the French court.

00:18:10.000 What does that guy do?

00:18:11.000 He doesn't do anything, right?

00:18:13.000 His job is to amuse the aristocracy.

00:18:17.000 Ultimately, he is a talker.

00:18:21.000 His product is words.

00:18:23.000 And there are a lot of professions built around that.

00:18:25.000 The legal profession.

00:18:27.000 A lawyer is a purveyor of words.

00:18:29.000 I'm a purveyor of words.

00:18:31.000 And I also make physical products.

00:18:32.000 I make movies and things.

00:18:33.000 But even the movies are the product of words.

00:18:36.000 So what the left, so this is a knowledge class, I would call it.

00:18:39.000 And the knowledge class deeply resents the entrepreneurial class.

00:18:43.000 And the knowledge class has always wanted to have the commanding heights of society dictated by them.

00:18:49.000 So leaving aside politics, even if we had no left and no right, you would have the kind of smart set, the big talkers of society, always telling the entrepreneurs, you don't know what you're doing.

00:19:01.000 You shouldn't be making so many cars next year.

00:19:04.000 The computer industry needs to do this.

00:19:06.000 And this is why digging in the ground for oil is bad.

00:19:10.000 So in other words, these guys, the talkers don't know how to do anything, but they want to organize everything.

00:19:16.000 Progressivism, what we call liberalism, even Marxism, all come out of those types of people.

00:19:24.000 And so that's what we would call the left.

00:19:27.000 Yes.

00:19:28.000 And by the left, what we mean today, and in America, because in Europe, the left is a little bit different.

00:19:34.000 There is an international left, which has certain commonalities.

00:19:37.000 But in America, the left is ultimately about running things through the instrumentality of the state.

00:19:44.000 It's not just that they love the state.

00:19:46.000 What they love is the idea of a centralized mechanism that puts them in the saddle.

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00:20:57.000 And so the second most common question I get from people that I run into and very accomplished business people, Tanesh, and I think you've done some really good writing and thinking on this.

00:21:06.000 And I get this question very sincerely is what do they want?

00:21:11.000 A lot of conservatives who are not in this like you and I, they cannot understand what drives these people.

00:21:17.000 What do they want?

00:21:18.000 They want to have a society in which a certain elite drawn from their sectors is calling the shots.

00:21:30.000 Like philosopher kings almost.

00:21:32.000 Philosopher kings that are allied with legal specialists that are allied with academics.

00:21:38.000 So think of why someone, think of the simple question.

00:21:41.000 Why does somebody today want to be a journalist?

00:21:43.000 First of all, it's a profession in which the value of producing a word in an article is almost zero.

00:21:43.000 Right?

00:21:49.000 The pay is miserable.

00:21:51.000 The profession is almost kind of on its way out.

00:21:54.000 But it is one of the few professions where you get to exercise, I would call it, the power of humiliation.

00:22:01.000 A journalist can target a very powerful person and say, I am going to destroy that guy's life, right?

00:22:08.000 It's a form of having power over people.

00:22:10.000 Now, ordinarily, you can't in normal life have that kind of power.

00:22:14.000 Even if you take a very powerful entrepreneur, you know, let's say, for example, somebody who makes an incredible type of software.

00:22:20.000 He can't force you or me to do anything.

00:22:22.000 We have to voluntarily go in our car and buy their stuff.

00:22:25.000 So their power over us is very limited.

00:22:28.000 In fact, they have to cater to us.

00:22:30.000 Whereas with government, it gives you a form of power that makes other people intimidated.

00:22:36.000 I think this is why, you know, people become a meter-made.

00:22:39.000 They just love the idea that they can put a little slip of paper on your car, and when you come back, it's going to discombobulate you.

00:22:47.000 It's going to ruin at least that moment, if not your whole day.

00:22:49.000 You're like, oh, my God.

00:22:51.000 You know, that someone can do that to you is part of the appeal of becoming that.

00:22:57.000 We would call these people typically sociopaths if you enjoy to inflict human suffering.

00:23:03.000 They are people that you will, you know, if you read Machiavelli is the Prince, Machiavelli would argue that there is a little streak.

00:23:09.000 There's a folio Machiavelli.

00:23:10.000 There's a little streak in human nature in all of us that is like that.

00:23:15.000 So civilization is about repressing it.

00:23:17.000 And see, part of what America is about, and this is the true meaning, I think, of Lincoln's The Better Angels of Our Nature, to create systems that suppress the kind of bullying and brutal instincts of human nature and encourage the creative, the cooperative, the collegial.

00:23:35.000 But the left, when I talk about gangsterization, what I'm getting at is they are now tapping into these darker energies.

00:23:41.000 And they're doing it on the basis that these darker energies are more powerful than their virtuous counterparts.

00:23:47.000 In other words, a bad guy is in a way more creative than a good guy, because a good guy is sort of the guy who sort of expects the rules to do the job for him.

00:23:56.000 The country is a good place.

00:23:58.000 The ordinary Republican feels like, let's move on, the election's over, let me get back to work.

00:24:03.000 It's the wildebeest mentality.

00:24:05.000 Whereas the bad guy has the mentality of the predator, which is to say, everything is dark, and you have to wait until the innocent guy can't see, and then you can jump on him and take advantage of him.

00:24:16.000 And he's not looking for it, which makes it all the more appealing.

00:24:20.000 Well, we saw that in film where two television shows, two of the most successful television shows of all time, were glamorizing the bad guy, Sopranos and Breaking Bad, where it was a protagonist was a criminal and was glorified and glamorized.

00:24:37.000 And you found the brilliance of Breaking Bad, less so in the Sopranos, because Sopranos is a lot of dark comedy, but it was still a brilliant television show.

00:24:44.000 But Breaking Bad, especially, you found yourself cheering for the guy that's making meth.

00:24:49.000 You're like, yeah, I hope he gets it.

00:24:50.000 Wait a second, am I cheering for a meth dealer?

00:24:53.000 And I don't think those television shows would have succeeded in the 1980s.

00:24:56.000 I don't.

00:24:57.000 I think as if this kind of framing through the storytelling was the soft social conditioning of it's okay to break the law, to go, again, it's just a metaphor, of course, to go make methamphetamine in the desert, to go murder people as long as you could justify it in your own moral kind of framing.

00:25:16.000 And Walter White ends up being the hero throughout the entire story.

00:25:22.000 And he has obviously, you know, valleys and tropes.

00:25:24.000 I don't know if you're familiar with the television show or not, but it struck me when you're saying that there's been this kind of cinema conditioning of the framing from the hero actually being the bad guy.

00:25:36.000 It occurs on all fronts.

00:25:38.000 I mean, I could give example after example, but it's the case, I mean, even going back to the 80s, that if you look, for example, at a lot of what you would call teenage comedy, you essentially have these parents who are dummies. 0.51

00:25:53.000 Both parents are dummies, but the real dummy is always the father. 0.98

00:25:56.000 He's the biggest dummy. 1.00

00:25:58.000 Always. 1.00

00:25:59.000 And he's never as smart as his kids.

00:26:00.000 Family guy was an extension of this.

00:26:02.000 So is The Simpsons. 1.00

00:26:03.000 That the dumbest person was the male figurehead. 1.00

00:26:03.000 Right. 1.00

00:26:06.000 Exactly.

00:26:07.000 Exactly.

00:26:07.000 Always.

00:26:08.000 Bumbling idiot. 1.00

00:26:09.000 Right. 1.00

00:26:10.000 I've just watched the Queen's Gambit on Netflix.

00:26:14.000 Well, King of Queens is the same thing.

00:26:15.000 Yeah.

00:26:16.000 Anyway, I interrupted you, but yeah.

00:26:18.000 Well, no, I was just saying that the smuggling of ideological content into what other, in a sense, it's not even, you would say, we would think it's not necessary.

00:26:26.000 Why are you doing that?

00:26:28.000 But we don't realize that for them, it is necessary.

00:26:30.000 It is the point of what they're doing.

00:26:32.000 So when they talk about the 50s, they give a picture of the 50s that I think would be unrecognizable to most people who lived in the 50s.

00:26:39.000 In other words, the family is a dysfunctional institution. 0.99

00:26:43.000 The father is, on the surface, sort of pious, but in reality, a scum and a disorder. 1.00

00:26:50.000 And Mad Men was the depiction of that. 0.99

00:26:53.000 They tried to attack the 1950s through the show Mad Men.

00:26:57.000 So what are they doing?

00:26:57.000 Right.

00:26:58.000 What they're doing is they are trying to normalize the abnormal and abnormalize the normal.

00:27:05.000 And they're trying to do both simultaneously.

00:27:07.000 So they're trying to produce a kind of cultural inversion.

00:27:10.000 That's what they've done.

00:27:11.000 And they're doing it very openly, but they're counting on the consumer to kind of go along with it.

00:27:20.000 And I think for conservatives, we have been critics of it, but we haven't produced replacements for it.

00:27:26.000 In other words, we don't produce comedy.

00:27:30.000 And even a lot of our media on television is sort of talk shows, right?

00:27:36.000 But what about the young conservative who wants to be a stand-up comedian?

00:27:40.000 Where's the improv that we can send that kid to where he can start learning how to do his thing and become one day George Carlin of today?

00:27:49.000 We need to create those opportunities to create culture so we can compete with the left.

00:27:56.000 I agree.

00:27:56.000 And one of the big missteps the last couple decades have been the misallocation of capital towards Washington, D.C.-centric think tanks that just kind of publish the same white papers that have not moved the dial, where the left, they were pumping money into cinema, into television shows.

00:28:14.000 I mean, one movie that probably had more impact on the environmentalist movement was Avatar.

00:28:20.000 And Avatar was the most successful movie, I think, ever in box office.

00:28:25.000 If not, it's up there, right?

00:28:27.000 It was an unbelievable success.

00:28:29.000 But what's really the story of Avatar?

00:28:32.000 The story of Avatar is not about a bunch of blue-looking aliens that are trying to fight for a better world.

00:28:38.000 It's the evil inter-galactic colonialists that are coming to this wonderfully peaceful world, exploiting it for natural minerals, not trying to respect their natural rights, and with it polluting the planet.

00:28:52.000 What's that story supposed to be?

00:28:53.000 That's how the left views America.

00:28:55.000 The left views America through the story of Avatar.

00:28:58.000 When I think about our side and the obstacles we face, it's partly that the left has made it easy for their side to do their thing.

00:29:08.000 So let's take Michael Moore or Oliver Stone for that matter.

00:29:12.000 If Oliver Stone or Michael Moore wants to make a movie, they go to a studio and the studio goes, here's $10 million.

00:29:18.000 Go make a movie.

00:29:19.000 And once you've made the movie, you will be booked on The View the next morning and then the following day on Jimmy Fallon.

00:29:28.000 And then Bill Maher wants to have you on and on and on it goes.

00:29:31.000 So in other words, the infrastructure is all there for them.

00:29:35.000 All that Michael Moore has to do is make the movie.

00:29:38.000 But on our side, we have to do 10 different things.

00:29:42.000 We have to do the legal work and then we have to go raise the money and then we've got to make the movie.

00:29:46.000 And after you made the movie, you've got to market it with no help from the other side.

00:29:50.000 So what happens is this is a set of, I would call it, incompatible skills.

00:29:55.000 Because if you're a creative guy, you can make a movie, but you don't know where to get the money.

00:29:59.000 There are people who have the money, but they don't know how to make a movie.

00:30:01.000 And even if you could do both, they don't have the marketing reach.

00:30:05.000 So our side is laboring under, you know, we're riding the bicycle up the hill.

00:30:10.000 They're riding the bicycle down the hill.

00:30:12.000 And that's what makes their job easy.

00:30:14.000 But they have worked to create that infrastructure.

00:30:17.000 And I think we have long term the laborious job of doing it on our side.

00:30:22.000 The only good news we have, Dinesh, though, is that the typical distribution of movies has changed because of the lockdowns and the Chinese coronavirus.

00:30:31.000 I don't think movie theaters are going to be in the same form as they used to be.

00:30:35.000 There's way too much overhead, and you're already starting to see a lot of them be basically defaulted on.

00:30:40.000 You saw HBO, they're releasing all their content in January at your own leisure.

00:30:45.000 And so a lot of it's now going to over the top.

00:30:47.000 And secondly, here's the other thing, and I would love your take on this.

00:30:50.000 The content that they're producing is such garbage right now because they're turning their back on the Western canon.

00:30:58.000 And as soon as you start to do that, it's really hard to keep a captive audience because it's built into our DNA and into our spirit to actually want to cheer for a righteous and heroic person to fight for truth, protect the innocent, and slay the bad guy. 0.58

00:31:14.000 That's actually something that's built into us.

00:31:16.000 That's why Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, and Star Wars are the same story.

00:31:20.000 It's just told differently, which is an estranged orphan is raised by his uncle, goes on a journey, and actually ends up fighting the evil within himself.

00:31:27.000 It's the same thing, just told in different framing.

00:31:30.000 When you start to have stories of just kind of these meandering social justice warrior activists that are contemplating whether or not they should get a gender change and it takes them 45 minutes to tell that story, I don't know if that's, I think that there's a great market opportunity for us. 0.58

00:31:44.000 I couldn't agree more.

00:31:46.000 The left tries, they know that stories have a kind of an anchor in good and evil.

00:31:53.000 They try to make our side into the evil guys.

00:31:56.000 Oh, it's always the evil capitalist with the cigar.

00:31:59.000 It's the bad, it's a businessman, it's the patriarchal dad, it's the small town pastor who's a secret member of the Ku Klux Klan.

00:32:06.000 I mean, these are their standard plus. 0.96

00:32:08.000 So true.

00:32:10.000 But yeah, I think we can enter into a period of great cultural creativity, which can be driven by our side by tapping into instincts that we have, but we just haven't developed because a lot of our energy has been in the political sphere.

00:32:27.000 So I think we need to pay attention to that, but simultaneously to build a culture.

00:32:32.000 Look, the greatest thing that the left had in this election, quite apart from election rigging, is the media.

00:32:39.000 The media.

00:32:40.000 It's not a level playing field.

00:32:42.000 If it was just us against them, we would beat them.

00:32:45.000 But them plus the media is a very difficult obstacle to face.

00:32:50.000 So how could it be that we have allowed the situation to reach the point it has?

00:32:56.000 We're very late in the game in getting on this stuff, but I still think we can make a lot of progress if we pay attention to it.

00:33:04.000 Look, it's Christmas season.

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00:34:51.000 And part of it is that the left, and when we mean the left, we mean the entire body from the financiers to the kind of activist class.

00:35:00.000 They were okay with loss leaders for decades.

00:35:02.000 They were okay with very risky investments.

00:35:05.000 They were okay with the potential of things not working out.

00:35:08.000 And now all of a sudden they have all these success stories.

00:35:11.000 But Google and Facebook, there were plenty of that went under.

00:35:14.000 But it was all under this idea of having institutional cultural control.

00:35:18.000 And conservatives never played on that terrain at all.

00:35:22.000 I mean, conservatives have been very, very successful, obviously, entrepreneurially, but the allocation of capital, I think, has been unequal.

00:35:31.000 I'd love your thought on that.

00:35:32.000 Well, they did it under false pretenses.

00:35:35.000 When Twitter and Instagram and Facebook came along, they said, look, we're going to be like ATT.

00:35:42.000 We're the phone company.

00:35:43.000 We're creating a platform.

00:35:45.000 And the great thing about this platform is it allows you to do things that you can't just do with the phone.

00:35:49.000 You can find your long-lost college friend.

00:35:51.000 You can have robust debate.

00:35:54.000 So I think far, we were not suspicious.

00:35:57.000 We were like, this is great.

00:35:58.000 In fact, if the media is left-wing, we can all flee to social media and we'll find opportunity here.

00:36:04.000 Little did we know that these guys would be the worst of the worst.

00:36:08.000 I mean, that these guys would basically say, look, we're just going to start putting warning labels on you.

00:36:12.000 I mean, imagine if the phone company said, we're going to start listening in on your calls, Charlie.

00:36:16.000 And we are going to, the reason we're doing this is we just don't like the amount of hate that is on the phone lines.

00:36:22.000 We're going to monitor hate, but we're also going to monitor inaccuracy, misinformation.

00:36:27.000 So if you say the wrong things, we're going to give you some warnings.

00:36:30.000 We're going to interrupt your phone calls.

00:36:32.000 We're going to limit, maybe you can only make a few more.

00:36:34.000 That's coming next.

00:36:34.000 You're joking.

00:36:35.000 Right.

00:36:36.000 No long-distance phone calls.

00:36:37.000 Even though you paid your bill, we're going to terminate your service.

00:36:40.000 I mean, people would be, you'd shut down ATD tomorrow if that happened.

00:36:45.000 Yeah, but give it a decade at its current pace.

00:36:47.000 They'll do that soon.

00:36:48.000 So this is the totalitarian mindset.

00:36:48.000 So think about it.

00:36:50.000 And I think, you know, part of what's been for me eye-opening is in the 80s when you, if you said the word tyrant, you would think of like Stalin, right?

00:36:58.000 Some guy in a Cossack outfit, toothbrush, mustache, someone who's conducting, you know, who's doing Chinese torture to his opponents.

00:37:06.000 Now, when I think of a tyrant, I don't think of Stalin.

00:37:08.000 I think of like Governor Whitmer.

00:37:10.000 You know, I think of, I see her, and all I hear is like, don't do that. 1.00

00:37:17.000 And I think to myself, you know, in a small village of ancient times, she would be like the town nag. 0.99

00:37:23.000 She'd be like on some street corner, pointing her finger, yelling at people. 1.00

00:37:26.000 But the only people she could really terrorize was her poor husband and her unfortunate kids and maybe her neighbor, right? 1.00

00:37:32.000 But when you put her in charge of the state of Michigan, you put a police force at her disposal, a whole set of laws, you take this nasty individual and you make her a tyrant.

00:37:44.000 So I want to kind of close on that issue, which I'm trying to warn people really what we're up against, which is we live in a country with a police state.

00:37:54.000 And you made a series of movies that made you targeted by our own federal government.

00:37:59.000 And just let me be very clear: the fact that you were even investigated and prosecuted is a disgrace to our country, considering what other people are allowed to get away with.

00:38:08.000 It's such a, I believe, a like incredibly inconsequential action.

00:38:16.000 And I've just, I mean, I've said that publicly.

00:38:18.000 I'll say it again, especially when we see what other people are doing.

00:38:22.000 But they targeted you for a reason.

00:38:23.000 These are my words, not you.

00:38:25.000 Because you were disruptive.

00:38:27.000 And they're now doing this to Steve Bannon.

00:38:29.000 They're doing this to Wayne Lapierre.

00:38:31.000 They're investigating him.

00:38:32.000 They did this to Roger Stone.

00:38:33.000 They have a pattern of going after truth tellers.

00:38:36.000 Can you just give some people some context of really what we're up against?

00:38:40.000 And if you don't feel comfortable commenting on it, but I believe this is one of the most dangerous things we're about to see, which is the re-weaponization of our police state.

00:38:50.000 Well, what happens is the ordinary guy refuses to believe it until it happens to you, right?

00:38:57.000 So that the ordinary guy today probably thinks in America that if they come after you, it's going to be like two guys with a folder who are going to come up to your front door and ask you questions.

00:39:09.000 No, as Roger Stone discovered, it's helicopters, it's armored vehicles, it's drawn machine guns, it's get, you know, it's drag you out of your house.

00:39:19.000 So you don't believe it's America until you have some experience of it, or you know someone directly who does.

00:39:26.000 In my case, which looking back on it, it was a small case, but it was a preview of things to come because what happened to Flynn later is the same thing. 0.58

00:39:35.000 I think with Obama, you had a guy who was a narcissist and who thought that he's sort of above any kind of it's not just criticism, it is exposing his hypocrisy.

00:39:46.000 So he had his family ties. 0.80

00:39:47.000 Yeah, he had been traipsing around the country.

00:39:49.000 We are Brothers Keeper.

00:39:51.000 And of course, no pushback from the reporters don't ask, you're your brother's keeper.

00:39:55.000 Well, you know, how much money did you give in charity last year?

00:39:58.000 Why is your half-brother living in poverty in Africa?

00:40:00.000 Exactly.

00:40:01.000 So I went to Kenya.

00:40:03.000 I was sitting in the slum with his half-brother.

00:40:05.000 And we talked to her.

00:40:06.000 Well, this is the other guy, George Obama.

00:40:09.000 Yeah.

00:40:10.000 And, you know, and so it exposes, and only a way a movie can do.

00:40:16.000 Because it's one thing if I wrote an article, I interviewed George Obama, George told me this.

00:40:20.000 It's another thing to be like, here's George Obama.

00:40:23.000 This is the president's half-brother.

00:40:24.000 They have the same dad. 0.95

00:40:26.000 And here's a guy living in what you would call, you know, this is a guy right out of slum dog millionaire. 0.95

00:40:32.000 You know, he's living in third world slum. 0.96

00:40:34.000 What has Obama done to help him? 0.62

00:40:36.000 So this is the kind of thing that infuriated Obama.

00:40:36.000 Nothing.

00:40:39.000 So I believe what happened.

00:40:40.000 On a personal level.

00:40:41.000 Yeah.

00:40:42.000 So, you know, he activates Holder.

00:40:44.000 Holder activates this guy named Preet Barara, who is.

00:40:47.000 He's still around.

00:40:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:49.000 And so they had, this is the weaponization of the government.

00:40:52.000 Let's go see what we got on this guy.

00:40:55.000 And that ultimately, again, this happens in other countries all the time.

00:40:59.000 It's normal, but it's not normal in America.

00:41:02.000 And so my own case, for me, looking back, I'm actually very glad in retrospect it happened to me because it was an intellectual wake-up call.

00:41:10.000 It told me American politics is not this kind of civilized, great debate that I thought it was.

00:41:18.000 That it's a little bit more of a knockdown, drag out fight against some really bad guys.

00:41:22.000 And we have to take stock of that.

00:41:24.000 Well, and let's just be clear: you reimbursed somebody for a campaign contribution.

00:41:28.000 You didn't commit armed robbery.

00:41:30.000 Oh, no.

00:41:31.000 I mean, this is the idea of my crime, and I'll spell it out very clearly.

00:41:36.000 So, Wendy Long, my college friend, see, when I came to America, I fell in with a bunch of young conservatives.

00:41:42.000 And because my family is 5,000 miles away, they became my sort of surrogate family.

00:41:42.000 Yeah, Dartmouth.

00:41:46.000 So they were kind of like, they introduced me to America.

00:41:49.000 So I felt this great sense of gratitude, of obligation.

00:41:51.000 Later, when Wendy's running for office, I gave her $10,000, which was the campaign finance limit.

00:41:57.000 And then she would call me every two days.

00:41:59.000 Dinesh, can you serve on my finance committee?

00:42:00.000 Dinesh, I know these Indian doctors.

00:42:03.000 Can you meet them?

00:42:04.000 Because, hey, you're Indian, they're Indian.

00:42:05.000 You know, maybe they'll give some money to my campaign. 0.99

00:42:08.000 But I was promoting my Obama movie.

00:42:09.000 So I kind of felt guilty that I can't help my friend as much as I'd like to.

00:42:13.000 So I called up two of my friends and I said, hey, guys, you like Wendy Long?

00:42:16.000 Do you mind giving her $10,000?

00:42:18.000 I'll reimburse you.

00:42:19.000 Now, in America, if anyone else did that, you will get a letter from the federal election commission.

00:42:25.000 A kind of a warning, maybe a $5,000 fine and 20 hours of community service.

00:42:30.000 Don't do it again.

00:42:30.000 And don't do it again.

00:42:31.000 Especially if it's a first-time offense.

00:42:33.000 And the most important thing here is there is no allegation of corruption.

00:42:37.000 I wasn't trying to buy office.

00:42:38.000 I wasn't trying to get an appointment.

00:42:40.000 She didn't even win, right?

00:42:41.000 And I didn't even tell her I did it.

00:42:42.000 I didn't even tell Wendy, I'm giving you the money through two of my, I didn't even mention it.

00:42:46.000 I just did it.

00:42:48.000 So there was no allegation that I was benefiting in any way.

00:42:51.000 So the campaign finance laws are there to prevent corruption.

00:42:54.000 Some guy goes, hey, listen, I'll give you the money, but when you get in office, you give my business a tax break.

00:42:59.000 That's the quid pro quo.

00:43:00.000 That's what was completely absent here. 0.56

00:43:02.000 So that's why, that's what made my, and even to this day, the left is like, well, you're a felon.

00:43:07.000 You pleaded guilty.

00:43:08.000 No, you got pardoned, so you're not a felon.

00:43:10.000 I'm not a felon.

00:43:11.000 But what happened with Flynn and me is that they used the plea, you pleaded guilty, as you admit you did it.

00:43:17.000 It's not an admission of guilt.

00:43:19.000 The way I view it, you can say whatever you want.

00:43:21.000 I think it's, please grant me mercy because I know how this is going to end when you stack the jury that you've already polluted.

00:43:27.000 It's illegal bludgeoning.

00:43:29.000 And I think, as conservatives, it's opened our eyes to the fact that when you have this system in place, it actually puts a lot of innocent people in prison.

00:43:37.000 Absolutely.

00:43:38.000 Because when they weigh the odds, you know, you take a doctor, right?

00:43:41.000 And they'll say, if they want to go after a doctor, they will go after him for.

00:43:44.000 Medicare fraud reimbursement.

00:43:45.000 Yeah, either that or like administering illegal painkillers.

00:43:49.000 Now, very difficult to defend against.

00:43:51.000 It's a discretionary call.

00:43:52.000 You administer these painkillers.

00:43:54.000 And then they go, listen, if you get convicted, you'll spend three years in prison and never practice medicine again.

00:43:59.000 Or you plead guilty to it, you pay a $50,000 fine.

00:44:03.000 Foundation for six months.

00:44:05.000 So who's going to take everyone's going to plead, even if they didn't do it?

00:44:05.000 Right.

00:44:10.000 And if they said anything less than their plea, they could jeopardize their plea publicly.

00:44:15.000 I mean, basically, if all of a sudden they told their friends, oh, I just did that for this, this, and this, right?

00:44:19.000 They have to be very careful, at least during the parameters.

00:44:22.000 Is that correct?

00:44:23.000 It's absolutely true.

00:44:24.000 They have you at the, once you plead, you agree to things, you forego your right of appeal.

00:44:30.000 It's a long process.

00:44:31.000 It's a long thing.

00:44:32.000 You have to, you know.

00:44:33.000 And I was, you know, the pardon is very lucky, but it's very rare.

00:44:36.000 When I called my lawyer, Ben Brafman, who's a very celebrity attorney, he's represented Puff Diddy and so on.

00:44:41.000 I told him, I said, I got this pardon.

00:44:43.000 What do I do?

00:44:44.000 He goes, Dinesh, in all my years of experience, I have never represented anyone who's gotten a pardon.

00:44:49.000 He goes, you have no idea what a meteoric event this is and rare.

00:44:53.000 He goes, I don't know.

00:44:55.000 So what I'm getting at is that that was an incredible blessing to me because it cleared my record and it sort of gave me back my American dream.

00:45:05.000 Yeah, and it's an outrage what happened.

00:45:07.000 This is our government that targeted you. 0.99

00:45:09.000 And meanwhile, Rosie O'Donnell was using fake names to use campaign contributions and there was no investigation in her.

00:45:16.000 Hunter Biden does whatever he wants.

00:45:18.000 And to date, there's no indictments.

00:45:20.000 Hillary Clinton, all this, but somehow you had to go through that entire process.

00:45:23.000 And Steve Bannon is now going through the same sort of thing because Steve was very, you know, very effective.

00:45:29.000 Say what you want about Steve, very effective in criticizing the kind of left power complex.

00:45:33.000 I think Steve's case is very similar to yours, where they kind of said, well, what can we possibly get on this guy?

00:45:39.000 And I tell conservatives all the time, especially as we're entering this new phase, you've got to act, you have to message, and you have to operate as if they're going to indict you tomorrow.

00:45:49.000 They want all of us in jail.

00:45:51.000 And that's not an understatement.

00:45:52.000 Well, it's worrisome for our side because you've got entrepreneurs and people who think, wow, I mean, you know, when the deck is stacked like that, it's easier to give in.

00:46:04.000 It's easier to conform and play by the rules, which is kind of what the left wants.

00:46:09.000 So, you know, on the one hand, I do warn people about what the government can do to you, but I'm also worried about discouraging our side.

00:46:19.000 No, I agree.

00:46:20.000 I tell people, I didn't mean to stop your train of thought.

00:46:24.000 No, not at all.

00:46:25.000 The downside is that people are going to say, ah, maybe if I just don't give to Republicans or finance the movie and just do my job and just go on vacation, I can fly under the radar.

00:46:37.000 Right, exactly.

00:46:38.000 It's very important.

00:46:39.000 For example, in movies, we have to be able to assure our investors that their names will never be disclosed under any circumstances.

00:46:48.000 Case closed.

00:46:49.000 And we've lived up to that.

00:46:52.000 But if we couldn't give them that protection, then there would be at least some of them who would be like, oh, Dinesh, you know what?

00:46:58.000 This is a very, I'm drawing myself into a thicket.

00:47:02.000 I don't know if I want to be in the middle of it.

00:47:04.000 I've got grandchildren.

00:47:05.000 I've got a comfortable life.

00:47:08.000 So we have to also make it easy for our side.

00:47:10.000 We can't demand Herculean levels of courage because Herculean levels of courage are rare.

00:47:15.000 Well, I also believe, and this is my own opinion, that if conservative attorney generals in these states started prosecuting a lot of the fraud the left does, there would be a stasis.

00:47:24.000 I really believe that.

00:47:25.000 I think that if all of a sudden, and I don't mean to overly politicize this, but why Hunter Biden has not been indicted by the Arkansas Attorney General for crimes committed in Arkansas, I don't understand.

00:47:38.000 And by the way, that's just as serious of an indictment in the federal court.

00:47:42.000 I mean, you have to answer for that.

00:47:44.000 This is the key.

00:47:45.000 If we were to start indicting people, if Michael Moore were to be indicted.

00:47:50.000 Not making up crimes.

00:47:51.000 I'm not saying that.

00:47:52.000 I'm not saying that either.

00:47:53.000 But I'm saying if we were to go after them with the same vigor that they go after us, they would immediately stop.

00:47:59.000 There would all of a sudden be a truce.

00:48:01.000 They'd say, wait a second, hold on.

00:48:02.000 We don't want Michael Moore to go for Michael Moore with, if I remember correctly, suspicious financing of his movies back in the early 2000s.

00:48:09.000 I'm just drawing on memory here.

00:48:11.000 There's plenty of examples of people that basically do whatever they want, and they know they are going to get away with it.

00:48:18.000 Hunter Biden with firearm charges, drug paraphernalia, dropping off rental cars with illegal substances, get away on all of it.

00:48:25.000 And you don't need the feds there.

00:48:27.000 These are conservative states that he's in.

00:48:29.000 The other thing is that we are always looking to cross every T and dot every I, and they indict first and ask questions later.

00:48:36.000 They indict and then they pollute the jury.

00:48:38.000 Well, not only that, but when their idea is this, like take Durham.

00:48:42.000 Durham is basically trying to get the goods on everybody, let's just say, before even he thinks about an indictment.

00:48:48.000 I don't know exactly what he's doing, but I'm just describing what appears to be the process.

00:48:52.000 The left would never go about it that way.

00:48:53.000 Their idea would be indict 10 guys and then get those 10 guys to rat out the next 10 guys.

00:48:59.000 So they use the judicial prosecutorial process itself as a form of investigation.

00:49:04.000 There's no investigation that precedes the indictment.

00:49:07.000 The indictment kicks off the investigation.

00:49:11.000 And then they use the arrest as a way to confiscate devices and then charge on more stuff.

00:49:17.000 Right.

00:49:18.000 And then all of a sudden they confiscate devices.

00:49:20.000 They go through emails.

00:49:20.000 They go through text messages.

00:49:22.000 And then they say, oh, wow.

00:49:23.000 Okay.

00:49:23.000 Now we really got something.

00:49:24.000 You know, we indicted you for tax fraud, but now we got these 900 other things that we found.

00:49:29.000 Right.

00:49:30.000 And they lead with the indictment.

00:49:31.000 And the idea that Peter Strzok is now teaching at Georgetown, people really think he's going to jail, think again.

00:49:41.000 We missed that window.

00:49:43.000 They have now him framed as this loving professor who's adored by his students, goes on cable television.

00:49:50.000 He was the chief spy catcher.

00:49:53.000 Court of public opinion.

00:49:55.000 I'm under the opinion personally that Andrew McCabe was brought up in front of a grand jury and they couldn't get a grand jury to agree to indict him.

00:50:05.000 And the reason is, and other people agree with me.

00:50:08.000 This is not a, you know, Sarah Carter, I believe, has this belief too, is that they just kept parading him on TV and they kept writing affectionately about him on CNN.

00:50:18.000 And you remember he went on 60 Minutes like a year and a half ago and he had that book.

00:50:21.000 It's hard to get, I think a grand jury is usually 26 people, 24 people, hard to get that in the D.C. area when they're seeing how wonderful of a person he is.

00:50:31.000 What you're saying is that the left is able to use these cultural accolades to provide a certain kind of legal protection.

00:50:38.000 Legal shield.

00:50:39.000 Legal shield.

00:50:40.000 The other thing that they do with these same cultural accolades is they're able to court court people like John Roberts.

00:50:47.000 So look at Chief Justice John Roberts.

00:50:49.000 It's a human motive once you're the Chief Justice.

00:50:52.000 What is it that you want out of life at this point?

00:50:55.000 Well, you want to go down in the history books for your opinions, but you also want to be the kind of grand figure of society.

00:51:04.000 You want to be on the board of the Lincoln Center.

00:51:07.000 You want to be there at the Oscars.

00:51:10.000 You want your college to give you an honorary degree. 0.93

00:51:14.000 So, what the left has done is they've established a kind of ironclad control over these accolades so that they're able to say, hey, John Roberts, if you turn out to be a kind of scalia, we will villainize you. 0.53

00:51:26.000 We will say you're disgracing the court. 0.76

00:51:28.000 We will demand that your alma mater not give you that honorary.

00:51:31.000 And your kids will not get into college, and your wife will be sneered at when she goes to the ground.

00:51:35.000 And they won't be cool. 0.91

00:51:36.000 They will be the most uncool people in America.

00:51:39.000 And so those human motives then go, oh, well, that is so exasperating.

00:51:44.000 After all this effort I've made to reach this pinnacle in life, to have all the honors associated with it taken away from me, why don't I just kind of play the middle of the road?

00:51:54.000 So this is a form of very sophisticated manipulation of people who have that human desire to be liked or appreciated in the culture.

00:52:05.000 Yeah, and it's psychological warfare, is what they've done.

00:52:07.000 I'll never forget a story someone told me of John Roberts, who goes to a country club in the suburbs of D.C. without disclosing too much of the story.

00:52:16.000 Basically, he goes to a country club like any senator would and talks to people and takes pictures, you know, when appropriate.

00:52:24.000 You know, obviously, I think there's restrictions against that at that certain club.

00:52:27.000 The point is that he's a human being, and human beings talk to other human beings and they want to be loved.

00:52:33.000 And we tell these students all the time: unless you're willing to lose everything, then get out.

00:52:39.000 This fight is not for the people that want to go run for the popularity contest.

00:52:43.000 All of your friends, most of your family, they will try to destroy your life.

00:52:47.000 And that's what Clarence Thomas has basically said publicly and privately: there's nothing else you can take from me.

00:52:55.000 After what you tried to do for me in that Senate hearing and try to destroy my name, my reputation, he's like, I will never forget that.

00:53:03.000 And I think Gorsuch is the same.

00:53:05.000 I hope Kavanaugh stays the same.

00:53:07.000 Amy Coney Barrett, Alito, has been great in a lot of different ways.

00:53:11.000 But I think you're exactly right.

00:53:12.000 And just to kind of close the point on this, which is that you talk about the gangsterization of our country.

00:53:17.000 The legal system is the one that I think conservatives have really got to wake up to because the justice system has this facade, this mirage, and this appearance of, well, we're not political.

00:53:28.000 You know, we are very much just about doing the job.

00:53:30.000 But I have some very, how do they decide who gets indicted and who doesn't?

00:53:33.000 How do they decide what is the threshold of evidence when you do actually go indict somebody?

00:53:39.000 Because what you say, Dinesh, is they have suspicion from the New York Times, a leak, indict, then we get all their devices, and then we really start to do what we need to do.

00:53:47.000 I think that we need to have a re-examination of, I would call it the Reaganite court strategy, which goes back 40 years.

00:53:54.000 The Reaganite court strategy is that we are committed to a neutral process and that there is a neutral process of adjudication.

00:54:03.000 Now, the left has given up on that.

00:54:05.000 Their view is that all processes should be judged by the conclusions they produce.

00:54:10.000 So when they look at picking judges, they only ask one question: Is this judge, apart from things like do they have the proper academic credentials?

00:54:18.000 The only question they ask is, is this guy going to be a reliable vote on our side?

00:54:23.000 Yes or no?

00:54:24.000 If yes, we appoint.

00:54:26.000 If no, we reject.

00:54:28.000 We are looking at some third factor, which is a judge committed to umpire-style procedural application of the rules.

00:54:38.000 But in reality, as you say, there's a huge amount of discretion built into the process.

00:54:44.000 Take the Texas case.

00:54:45.000 Texas produced an argument.

00:54:46.000 There are arguments on both sides.

00:54:48.000 Which argument should carry more weight?

00:54:51.000 Yes, the court might say, Do I want to open up the nasty precedent where one state gets to quarterback what another state is doing?

00:54:58.000 And I grant that the court may go, we don't want to open up that Pandora's box, right?

00:55:02.000 But what about the Pandora's box of giving up on the idea of having a fair election itself?

00:55:07.000 If you're willing to admit even the possibility that there is systematic fraud, that's the end of democracy. 0.92

00:55:13.000 So even our concept of majority and minority, think of it, the court is a protector of minority rights. 0.81

00:55:19.000 But to be a protector of minority rights, you need to know who the minority is.

00:55:23.000 If you have an election where the very status of the majority and the minority is open to question, then that what could be a more important precedent than that to allow that to go unchecked is so what I'm getting at is there's no neutral procedure that gives you the answer and says, okay, you know, we don't want to take the Texas case because the Constitution says this.

00:55:44.000 No, the Constitution says what it says, and that reasonable people can offer competing interpretations of what it means.

00:55:52.000 It's well said.

00:55:53.000 Well, Dinesh, how can people support you and get behind what you're doing?

00:55:57.000 Well, I'm all over social media on Twitter and Parlor.

00:56:02.000 My movies, both Infidel and Feature Film.

00:56:04.000 See, I'm trying to push even into the feature film genre to compete with Hollywood there.

00:56:09.000 So it's a political thriller called Infidel.

00:56:11.000 It's out there in video on demand.

00:56:13.000 So is Trump Card, which, by the way, remains incredibly relevant because all this kind of gangsterization is continuing apace even after the election.

00:56:23.000 I'm looking to figure out ways in which we can build cultural institutions of our own, academic institutions, media institutions, and then entertainment institutions and bring those different media formats together.

00:56:37.000 So that's going to be, I think, where I'm going to put my energies in the next few years.

00:56:41.000 Well, very good.

00:56:41.000 Dinesh, thank you so much for joining us.

00:56:43.000 I really enjoyed the conversation.

00:56:44.000 My pleasure.

00:56:45.000 Thank you.

00:56:48.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:56:50.000 Please email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:56:52.000 And if you want to support us, go to charliekirk.com/slash support.

00:56:56.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:56:57.000 God bless.

00:56:58.000 Speak to you, sir.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 26, 2020

Blatant Election Fraud and Marxism's March Through Our Institutions with Dinesh D'Souza

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