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00:01:32.000Why is critical race theory unbiblical?
00:01:34.000And BLM incorporated what they stand for.
00:01:36.000Yeah, I mean, so when we're talking about critical race theory, right, we're talking about the division of people groups based upon certain attributes, based upon either economic attributes or critical race theories is racial attributes and then doing analysis.
00:01:52.000Legal, there's critical legal theory, right, which is the same kind of thing.
00:01:55.000We look at all of the law through this kind of system that's based upon certain power structures.
00:02:00.000And so we're talking about dividing people groups categorically and then determining or placing value upon those people groups categorically based upon where they stand in that structure.
00:02:09.000And when you're talking about division, the opposite of that in Christianity is what?
00:02:26.000The division between unsaved and saved, the division between life and death.
00:02:30.000The division between God and man is reconciled and Christ.
00:02:35.000And I love that, you know, peace on earth, goodwill towards men, right?
00:02:39.000That there's the great celebratory phrase coming from heaven is one of reconciliation from God to man.
00:02:47.000So I think, you know, don't want to sound too overboard.
00:02:51.000I think it is exactly the opposite of Christendom.
00:02:54.000So since it's exactly the opposite, why do so many churches embrace it?
00:02:58.000Well, I would say that our churches primarily have been hijacked and not in a way that it says in the King James version in Genesis that the snake was the subtlest beast of the garden.
00:03:12.000And I love the old King James because of the word subtlety.
00:03:15.000You don't know it's sneaking up on you, right?
00:05:32.000And if we're not driving culture as a church, which is what we're supposed to be doing, then the only thing left to us is to adapt to culture.
00:05:40.000And so you want to make sure everyone's going to stay in.
00:05:44.000And it becomes about the bells and the whistles and the lights and the sound and the smoke.
00:05:48.000And I'm wearing skinny jeans at 56 years of age because my kids bought them for me.
00:05:55.000If it was up to me, I'd shop at Costco.
00:05:57.000I don't give a flying flip about clothes.
00:06:21.000But when we take an entire church and we say, let's all hang out in the beauty area and we abdicate the truth area, then we have massive systemic issues.
00:06:45.000And the obvious phrase is overnight, but it didn't happen as quickly as people realize.
00:06:49.000I have been trying to warn against this.
00:06:51.000One of the reasons why Falkirk was started, because we saw the growing trends of this a year and a half, two years ago at Liberty, we were saying, hey, this is really troubling.
00:06:59.000And we're seeing this within Christianity, the kind of wokeism.
00:07:03.000And I think we need a better term for that.
00:07:04.000I think that's actually just a filler term right now.
00:08:06.000That's really a bad idea and very dangerous.
00:08:08.000But if you come from the presupposition that how you were made is therefore bad, something you can't control, then that, of course, is anti-Christian, anti-biblical.
00:08:24.000But then how what I'm trying to figure out, I want to build out with both of you guys is that now this is modern, this is now mainstream Christianity.
00:08:33.000The top churches in New York, who you mentioned, and feel free to mention them, top churches in California, they are mobilizing their congregation for BLM Inc. for critical race theory.
00:08:42.000They're taking these for these sorts of things.
00:08:45.000They're hiring diversity czars at certain places across the country.
00:08:59.000I thought the confirmation of the Holy Spirit, I thought those were the things that told us who's going to be determined to be on staff at a church, to lead the church of Jesus Christ.
00:09:09.000I don't mean of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints.
00:09:11.000I mean the regular church of Jesus Christ.
00:09:14.000But we don't use some kind of secular equity position.
00:09:17.000Sorry, like we don't have enough people of Maorian descent.
00:09:21.000So we're going to have to stop the whole ship and go on a search, right?
00:11:35.000So Dr. Anita Phillips is talking to Christine Kane.
00:11:38.000And Christine Kane, Australian woman with Hillsong, she's just nodding in complete affirmation about what Anita Phillips, and she's an amazing speaker and captivating.
00:12:34.000The one thing I thought about that there's no Christian worldview, and she's using this idea of a dream of Nordic and African tribes.
00:12:40.000I'm like, okay, Christine Kane has no clue of history because the Nordic tribes are Scottish, because she's just basically drawing it back.
00:12:47.000You're white, and this is your formation.
00:13:04.000What you're describing in your dream is a constitutional republic formulated by Christian biblical worldview and collectivism of communist.
00:13:38.000But you're from New York and you've mentioned that.
00:13:39.000Yeah, I mean, listen, Anita Phillips says to Kane, listen, the reason why you're such a deep thinker is because you're Greek.
00:13:45.000And don't you know that all the Greek people are incredibly deep thinkers?
00:13:49.000Because one time I've heard of a person called Aristotle and Plato, and therefore I'm extrapolating on all Greeks throughout the history of man deep thinking.
00:13:56.000And you want to say, like, do you not know the history of the world?
00:14:00.000That every culture that reaches an economic apex has the ability, because of economic softness in their economy, to have time to think deep thoughts.
00:14:09.000So it's not the Greeks have some kind of unique power, but that's how awfully eugenic argument.
00:14:28.000And what's really interesting is that you look at what the improbability of the West, which is this miraculous blend of reason and revelation.
00:15:09.000And so Sam Harris tries to, I think his reasoning's okay on that one because it's one of force and not of consent.
00:15:16.000And so, but I don't think it's perfect.
00:15:18.000I'm just saying like Sam Harris addresses that in the moral landscape.
00:15:21.000But the four horsemen of the apocalypse, of the, not the apocalypse, four horsemen of the atheist apocalypse, whatever they call themselves, right?
00:15:27.000Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, and the fourth guy, who I can never remember.
00:16:46.000And you're in a capacity to articulate or defend it.
00:16:49.000Yeah, and this comes from the book, Vishnal Mangdagali.
00:16:53.000I can never say his name, Vishnal, the book that built your world.
00:16:56.000If you actually look at everything from, if you grow up in an Eastern world, India, and then you become a convert, this is why Ravi Zacharias and Dinesh D'Souza and Vishal are the most effective evangelists because they come into the West and they're like, you have no idea what you guys have here.
00:17:10.000Like, go to Calcutta and go see 33,000 people on the side of the street that are thought of as insects.
00:17:22.000Well, and the caste system is they should be there.
00:17:25.000It's not that we should take them out, that if you take them out, they're not able to live out their potential righteousness, that then maybe the universe will lift them in the castle.
00:17:34.000And this is the problem with liberation theology in the Catholic tradition is because they actually think there's something admirable in the state of poverty.
00:17:42.000And this is where Mother Teresa, I think, got wrong theologically.
00:17:45.000She did some great things, but she actually thought, why would you want to break them out of the freedom they have in poverty?
00:17:49.000And I think that's just very troubling.
00:17:53.000It's antithetical to every church father that we have of the patriarchs, right?
00:17:57.000Like if you look at Abraham and Genesis 12, 1, 2, 3, the blessings that God promises for him, he says, leave this structure, leave this way of thinking, leave this way of being, of doing, and come out with me not knowing where you're going to go, and I will bless you in an incredible way.
00:18:29.000So the community is going to flourish.
00:18:32.000And with that flourishing, you're going to be, as you described, the Greek culture, you know, increasing in its significance.
00:18:39.000It's because they had time to have commerce and they create.
00:18:42.000And that's what happens when you have rules, where when you shake someone's hand, you know you're not going to covet, you're not going to steal, you're not going to murder, and you have rules to play by.
00:19:02.000We don't know a lot of Westerners and a lot of these Christian incorporated types, they only, they have no paradigm for looking at the world anything other than, well, of course, we're always going to have different ideas being discussed.
00:19:42.000But the only way the enemy can survive is to pit us one way.
00:19:47.000But that's what made the West so different, is that it was an admission, albeit a very clumsy and begrudging path.
00:19:54.000But we actually hit an apex almost in the 1980s, early 90s, where we came up against the other ultimate totalitarian force, Soviet communism, and defeated ever having to fire a bullet or get into nuclear war.
00:20:06.000And in the early 90s, where I was born, I believe, and I think history is going to be very fierce to exactly what happened post when I became about 18, where I hit the apex of post-racial America.
00:21:14.000You pointed out earlier, when you remove dialogue, all you have left is war.
00:21:19.000And that's, this is something that we take for granted.
00:21:22.000And I mean, I don't want to give Socrates all the credit for this, but the Socratic dialogue, which actually Plato wrote, Socrates never wrote anything himself.
00:21:30.000The Socratic dialogues were written by his student Plato, is something we take for granted in the West.
00:21:35.000In a lot of different ways, you could make the argument, and this is, I don't want to cause too much controversy in theological circles, I could make the argument Christ read Plato.
00:22:58.000And Martin Luther deserves a lot of credit for this because he kind of liberated the scholasticism of Europe where people then were able to independently speak and independently pursue truth.
00:23:08.000And then the utility of speech is something we don't talk about enough, which is, and we know why it's moral to speak, but we don't talk about why it's actually in a utility good.
00:23:18.000It actually allows bad ideas to be made look foolish really quickly, right?
00:23:22.000So if you allow to speak, you know, let's say we're having this beautiful conference here and some numbskull gets up on stage and says something incredibly sinful or foolish.
00:23:31.000We're going to probably pull him aside and say, this was a, what are you doing?
00:23:34.000All of a sudden, these ideas are then able to cross-examine and then people are able to make good decisions.
00:23:38.000If all of a sudden you remove all of that and there's just one size fits all and there's only one belief, well, then people are going to resort to the only thing that they can associate with, which is tribal identity.
00:23:52.000There's no bridge because there was this great leap forward from tribalism to the West, right?
00:23:58.000This great leap forward was inspired by the Bible, spurred on by the Enlightenment, which the Enlightenment in a lot of different ways.
00:24:03.000If I were to say it, and the secularists would totally disagree, the Enlightenment was just discovering what was already there made by God, right?
00:24:09.000Newton didn't discover force time equals mass times acceleration.
00:24:12.000He just happened to articulate it, right?
00:24:58.000They're so afraid that they can't even open their voice to pray at all.
00:25:03.000And when God spoke, was he hoping in a corner somewhere?
00:25:06.000Or did he speak life and the universe into being with his very word and breath creating the universe around him?
00:25:14.000So we create our realities with, and I mean, then you have guys like Wittgenstein that come in and they try to deconstruct language and word and all that kind of stuff.
00:25:22.000But for us as Christians, the foundations are words are incredibly powerful.
00:25:27.000And the Torah, the scripture, the word of God, right?
00:25:30.000Moses comes down with the words of God on a table.
00:25:33.000And this is why the First Amendment is freedom of speech in assemblies, because the founders recognized, John Locke articulated it beautifully, that first given right, that first principle of speech.
00:28:07.000So the scripture gives us a system of moral justice.
00:28:09.000And so when we talk about justice, we have a system of way that we can take, you know, way that's separate from that set system out of congruence.
00:28:21.000And can we say, does this match up with these actions?
00:28:23.000Or really ultimately, the ethic of this system.
00:28:27.000And it seems to me that at the beginning, God said, I've created you, man, on this earth to be fruitful and multiply.
00:28:33.000That life itself, the teleology, the purpose of man is this life multiplier.
00:28:40.000And we live in a culture that's like the hecubus.
00:28:45.000It's the snake consuming its own tail.
00:28:47.000It's consumption for consumptive sake as opposed to giving life, sacrificing for life, which throws back to your Calcutta blind guy story.
00:28:56.000Like, why do we not get off him in Christianity?
00:29:07.000And I think that one of the issues, though, right now is that as Christianity has abdicated its role in the public square and in the communication to young people and has tried to water down the theology, we now have a very, a very attractive form of self-indulgent nihilism that is taking place.
00:29:27.000And this was all very predictable, by the way.
00:29:30.000It's not exactly not as if we're going through a pattern right now that was unforeseen, right?
00:29:36.000You remove the moral order, something fills that.
00:29:39.000And the most obvious is just trying to fill your body with the right chemicals or the right songs or the right feelings, right, to be able to do that.
00:29:47.000Do you think that the church that is pandering or is partnering with BLM Incorporated or with critical race theory, not getting involved in politics, that is doing all these sorts of different things?
00:30:00.000Are they equally, do you think that there's also an issue with how they're not communicating even to the secular, nihilistic world that's growing around them?
00:30:13.000Jesus says two totally, Jesus says contradictory stuff all the time.
00:30:16.000Christians don't like to talk about it.
00:30:18.000But like at one point, Jesus says, if you're not with us, you're against us.
00:30:21.000And then later he says, if you're not against us, that you're with us.
00:30:24.000Like, what are you talking about, Jesus?
00:30:26.000Well, in different contexts, different truths play out.
00:30:30.000And there's a place where this culture is literally on a breakneck speed towards the cliff of absolute chaos.
00:30:50.000And if a church at some point is in the middle of some kind of semi-normal culture and they're not getting engaged and involved, fine, you're doing your thing.
00:31:00.000But then there's a place where we're about to fall off the cliff.
00:31:03.000And who is called to stand for God and his way and his moral order?
00:31:07.000And if at that time you're still abdicating your voice in the community, then I think you're probably in trouble.
00:31:14.000As it was in the days of Noah and as it was in the days of Lot.
00:31:18.000And the reason why they add, as it was in the days of Lot, is you think about Lot.
00:31:23.000He's in Hebrews, he's in Timothy where it says, righteous Lot tormented his righteous soul by giving his eyes and his ears audience of things of this world.
00:31:31.000You put the word righteous in front of someone's name in the New Testament.
00:31:34.000I want to know who that person is because I want to live my life after him.
00:31:37.000Well, this is a man that lived in Sodom and Gomorrah, offered his virgin daughters to be abused, and then had sexual relations with them while he was drunk.
00:31:55.000And his wife was turned into a pillar of salt.
00:31:58.000Yet the New Testament says righteous Lot.
00:32:00.000And God actually removed him because Abraham prayed and said, if there's any righteous, would you spare the city?
00:35:08.000And this is how the Lord blessed me because in the community, I've had a relationship with these pastors for 20 years and only two of them have joined me.
00:35:17.000They still support me secretly, but they haven't opened.
00:35:21.000And the Lord said to my heart, he said, you know, yeah, I use Gideon, but the ones that went away because they wanted to go be with their families for whatever reason, the Lord brought them back in and they became part of the army.
00:36:57.000I love America not because of the boundaries, although it's a beautiful country, but every nation on the face of the earth has beautiful territory.
00:37:21.000And the reason why I like the idea, why it's instilled in me, is because the idea is liberty, dedicated to the proposition all men are created equal, endowed by the Creator, and this is given.
00:37:32.000And that idea has been defended for 244 years with men and women who valued it, bled and died for it.
00:38:13.000You just read a little bit about what happens when some sort of a center staple happens on a civilization, disappears, for better or for worse.
00:38:23.000It can be when a patriarch leaves a family, a pastor leaves a church, you know, a CEO leaves a company, or in a worse case, a dictator leaves a country.
00:40:03.000The fact they haven't yet tilted this thing over should just give you pause at how unbelievably durable what we have been given is and special.
00:40:19.000And so when we look at Abraham in Genesis 18 praying for the city that fire is about to drop on, he's like, God, just if there's only, you know, 1,000, 500, 100, one, please, one.
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