The Charlie Kirk Show - BLM Inc Has No Place in the Church OR America

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00:01:15.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:15.000 Welcome to this conversation, an episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, backed by Popular Demand, Pastor David Engelhardt, and my pastor, Pastor Rob McCoy.

00:01:24.000 Welcome, guys.

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00:01:25.000 We are here at Liberty University discussing all things America, faith, the Bible, and you name it.

00:01:30.000 David, let's dive right into it.

00:01:32.000 Why is critical race theory unbiblical?

00:01:34.000 And BLM incorporated what they stand for.

00:01:36.000 Yeah, I mean, so when we're talking about critical race theory, right, we're talking about the division of people groups based upon certain attributes, based upon either economic attributes or critical race theories is racial attributes and then doing analysis.

00:01:52.000 Legal, there's critical legal theory, right, which is the same kind of thing.

00:01:55.000 We look at all of the law through this kind of system that's based upon certain power structures.

00:02:00.000 And so we're talking about dividing people groups categorically and then determining or placing value upon those people groups categorically based upon where they stand in that structure.

00:02:09.000 And when you're talking about division, the opposite of that in Christianity is what?

00:02:13.000 It's reconciliation, right?

00:02:15.000 And there is a method for reconciliation in Christ.

00:02:17.000 And that method for reconciliation primarily and categorically is Christ himself.

00:02:23.000 He's the great reconciler.

00:02:24.000 And that's the division, right?

00:02:26.000 The division between unsaved and saved, the division between life and death.

00:02:30.000 The division between God and man is reconciled and Christ.

00:02:35.000 And I love that, you know, peace on earth, goodwill towards men, right?

00:02:39.000 That there's the great celebratory phrase coming from heaven is one of reconciliation from God to man.

00:02:47.000 So I think, you know, don't want to sound too overboard.

00:02:51.000 I think it is exactly the opposite of Christendom.

00:02:54.000 So since it's exactly the opposite, why do so many churches embrace it?

00:02:58.000 Well, I would say that our churches primarily have been hijacked and not in a way that it says in the King James version in Genesis that the snake was the subtlest beast of the garden.

00:03:12.000 And I love the old King James because of the word subtlety.

00:03:15.000 You don't know it's sneaking up on you, right?

00:03:18.000 And so here's my primary drive.

00:03:19.000 I got to get butts and seats.

00:03:20.000 I got to get dollars in the, what do we do? 0.63

00:03:23.000 Plates?

00:03:24.000 We do digital in there.

00:03:25.000 We don't do plates.

00:03:26.000 That's archaic.

00:03:27.000 We don't either, so I guess I'm okay.

00:03:29.000 Yeah.

00:03:30.000 But if that's the primary driver is growth of the body, then our now metric for success becomes what I say on a Sunday morning.

00:03:41.000 And the more I appease people, the more people show up.

00:03:43.000 So I must be saying the right things.

00:03:46.000 There's this story of this little kid that walks up to a bodybuilder and he says, sir, your muscles are huge.

00:03:52.000 And he's like, what are they for?

00:03:53.000 And he's like, well, they're for lifting weights.

00:03:55.000 And the kid's like, but what for?

00:03:56.000 And the guy's like, so I get bigger muscles.

00:03:59.000 And the kid's like, but so what for?

00:04:01.000 And he's like, and that is what our churches have become.

00:04:05.000 They've been growth for the sake of growth.

00:04:07.000 And in the physical body, that is cancerous growth.

00:04:10.000 That is growth for the sake of growth.

00:04:12.000 That it doesn't have a utility purpose to serve the body itself.

00:04:16.000 And that's what's happened.

00:04:17.000 And so we have this church that cares primarily about growth, secondarily about truth, which forms the inner man.

00:04:25.000 Pastor Rob?

00:04:27.000 Okay, so the first time I got introduced to David was because I watched the podcast.

00:04:31.000 He's in New York.

00:04:32.000 I'm in California.

00:04:34.000 I really think somehow, like I told you, my dad traveled to New York and had an adulterous relationship and you're my half-brother.

00:04:43.000 It's not true.

00:04:44.000 My dad was faithful, but yeah.

00:04:46.000 I'm glad he was.

00:04:47.000 But the thing I absolutely am blessed by.

00:04:51.000 I mean, seriously.

00:04:52.000 He takes an Arnold Schwarzenegger kind of thing and describes the church.

00:04:56.000 I'm really big.

00:04:58.000 I've got muscles and places where you don't have places.

00:04:58.000 Look at me.

00:05:03.000 Yeah, it's unhealthy.

00:05:08.000 You know, nowhere in any of the letters to the seven churches in Revelation does he ever speak of buildings, budgets, or baptisms.

00:05:16.000 And those are the three B's for growth.

00:05:18.000 It's always about this idea of establishing love.

00:05:22.000 And truth without love is hypocrisy.

00:05:24.000 And love without truth is hypocrisy.

00:05:27.000 Truth without love is brutality.

00:05:29.000 The Bible says speak the truth and love.

00:05:30.000 There's a balance.

00:05:32.000 And if we're not driving culture as a church, which is what we're supposed to be doing, then the only thing left to us is to adapt to culture.

00:05:40.000 And so you want to make sure everyone's going to stay in.

00:05:44.000 And it becomes about the bells and the whistles and the lights and the sound and the smoke.

00:05:48.000 And I'm wearing skinny jeans at 56 years of age because my kids bought them for me.

00:05:55.000 If it was up to me, I'd shop at Costco.

00:05:57.000 I don't give a flying flip about clothes.

00:05:59.000 But that's the idea is the substance.

00:06:03.000 Truth does not return void.

00:06:06.000 Yeah.

00:06:06.000 Well, we have a pendulum, right?

00:06:07.000 So beauty has a value, a significant value.

00:06:10.000 The sunset has an incredible value.

00:06:12.000 It speaks to us of the promise, the beauty, the goodness, the sincerity of a beautiful God, right?

00:06:17.000 That's what the sunset says to me.

00:06:19.000 So beauty has incredible value.

00:06:21.000 But when we take an entire church and we say, let's all hang out in the beauty area and we abdicate the truth area, then we have massive systemic issues.

00:06:32.000 But we look beautiful.

00:06:32.000 So it's a bad deal because we look pretty, but we're rotting on the inside.

00:06:37.000 So I love what you said.

00:06:38.000 It's sneaking up within the church and it's worse than ever before.

00:06:42.000 But this didn't happen.

00:06:45.000 And the obvious phrase is overnight, but it didn't happen as quickly as people realize.

00:06:49.000 I have been trying to warn against this.

00:06:51.000 One of the reasons why Falkirk was started, because we saw the growing trends of this a year and a half, two years ago at Liberty, we were saying, hey, this is really troubling.

00:06:59.000 And we're seeing this within Christianity, the kind of wokeism.

00:07:03.000 And I think we need a better term for that.

00:07:04.000 I think that's actually just a filler term right now.

00:07:06.000 I don't like it, to be honest.

00:07:07.000 I think it's using their words.

00:07:09.000 It's the best other filler phrase I've been playing.

00:07:12.000 It is kind of paganistic. 0.86

00:07:13.000 There is another way.

00:07:15.000 But let's just use that as a filler phrase right now.

00:07:18.000 But just for the record, I don't like the phrase.

00:07:19.000 I don't.

00:07:20.000 I think it's kind of just very weak.

00:07:22.000 But this kind of idea that we must atone for something you didn't do.

00:07:27.000 You must apologize for something that you're not connected to, right? 0.99

00:07:30.000 So your skin color is your sin. 1.00

00:07:32.000 So that's really what it is, though. 1.00

00:07:34.000 It's that the way you were made is inherently wrong, right?

00:07:38.000 So because, but first of all, it's so incredibly more complex than that, even if what they were saying was true.

00:07:44.000 Because how do they know my family's history, your family's history, your family's history, right?

00:07:48.000 And they don't.

00:07:49.000 It's just an incredible overgeneralization.

00:07:51.000 So there's no nuance at all.

00:07:52.000 That's one thing that BLM Inc. and critical race theory does not allow.

00:07:55.000 No nuance.

00:07:56.000 It is blunt force objects.

00:07:58.000 It's pure totalitarianism, right?

00:07:58.000 What we say is true.

00:08:01.000 It's like, all these people are bad. 0.98

00:08:03.000 And if you don't, we're going to crush you. 0.98

00:08:03.000 You must comply. 0.98

00:08:06.000 That's really a bad idea and very dangerous.

00:08:08.000 But if you come from the presupposition that how you were made is therefore bad, something you can't control, then that, of course, is anti-Christian, anti-biblical.

00:08:24.000 But then how what I'm trying to figure out, I want to build out with both of you guys is that now this is modern, this is now mainstream Christianity.

00:08:33.000 The top churches in New York, who you mentioned, and feel free to mention them, top churches in California, they are mobilizing their congregation for BLM Inc. for critical race theory.

00:08:42.000 They're taking these for these sorts of things.

00:08:45.000 They're hiring diversity czars at certain places across the country.

00:08:49.000 Some of the churches are, right?

00:08:51.000 And they're having diversity teams come into their churches to tell you who's going to be employed at the church.

00:08:58.000 Hold on a second.

00:08:59.000 I thought the confirmation of the Holy Spirit, I thought those were the things that told us who's going to be determined to be on staff at a church, to lead the church of Jesus Christ.

00:09:09.000 I don't mean of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints.

00:09:11.000 I mean the regular church of Jesus Christ.

00:09:14.000 But we don't use some kind of secular equity position. 0.73

00:09:17.000 Sorry, like we don't have enough people of Maorian descent. 0.99

00:09:21.000 So we're going to have to stop the whole ship and go on a search, right? 1.00

00:09:24.000 What's the craziness? 0.99

00:09:25.000 Paul, as we know, was sent to the Gentiles, and he was not of the Gentile caste. 1.00

00:09:32.000 He's a totally different people group. 1.00

00:09:34.000 And they were like, sorry, brother, we need a Gentile. 1.00

00:09:36.000 Don't write the Bible. 1.00

00:09:36.000 You go away. 1.00

00:09:38.000 Wrong.

00:09:38.000 You're not allowed to write the Bible to us.

00:09:41.000 Jesus came to earth as a Jewish guy that I adore.

00:09:44.000 I'm like, man, listen, I really hate the locks thing. 1.00

00:09:46.000 So I'm going to be done with Jesus.

00:09:48.000 It is independent of those kind of surface level issues.

00:09:52.000 And the problem, Charlie, is as it comes in, it's not that all people are corrupt.

00:09:57.000 It's only that certain people are corrupt of a certain class, right?

00:10:01.000 The people in power are corrupt.

00:10:02.000 And that's exactly right.

00:10:04.000 It's not as if they're saying everyone's bad.

00:10:06.000 They're saying only these certain people of a certain descent, mostly, by the way, white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant. 0.51

00:10:12.000 The kind of, I hate using that kind of metaphor, WASPI, but that's kind of what the focus continually is at.

00:10:19.000 And so if you said, like, all people are bad or negative or something like that, well, then you're way too close to original sin.

00:10:25.000 So you don't want to say that because one of their axioms is that there's no original sin.

00:10:30.000 So how can the church entertain that, Rob?

00:10:30.000 That's exactly right.

00:10:33.000 The idea that there's no original sin. 0.72

00:10:35.000 No, but they're entertaining this critical race theory, BLM. 0.87

00:10:37.000 I'm not just entertaining it. 0.54

00:10:38.000 They're endorsing it.

00:10:39.000 They're teaching it.

00:10:40.000 These are the biggest churches in America.

00:10:43.000 So the truth of the matter is there's been racial tension in the country.

00:10:50.000 Now, how do we process that?

00:10:52.000 Because black Americans, historically, with the struggles, we've gone through all this. 0.91

00:10:57.000 And I look at black Americans as a pawn of both parties.

00:11:00.000 And I can go through that with 1876 and all of it. 0.98

00:11:03.000 But here we are.

00:11:05.000 And you've got a dynamic in the nation.

00:11:07.000 There's some folks with white guilt.

00:11:09.000 There's people who've been educated in schools by bad historians, revisionist history.

00:11:14.000 And now you come into the church.

00:11:16.000 And as you were saying, David, you want to keep butts in the seats.

00:11:19.000 So you want to be empathetic.

00:11:20.000 You want to be sympathetic.

00:11:21.000 You want to be able to see what the culture is dealing with.

00:11:24.000 And so you try to accommodate it.

00:11:26.000 And that's where you floored me when you linked me to Dr. Anita Phillips' video.

00:11:33.000 And I watched that.

00:11:34.000 Tell us about it, Rob. 0.98

00:11:35.000 So Dr. Anita Phillips is talking to Christine Kane.

00:11:38.000 And Christine Kane, Australian woman with Hillsong, she's just nodding in complete affirmation about what Anita Phillips, and she's an amazing speaker and captivating.

00:11:47.000 I was enjoying listening to her.

00:11:49.000 And then she gets to this dream about two different creations, the Nordic tribes and the African tribes.

00:11:54.000 And these were created man and woman with a hierarchy and authority.

00:11:59.000 And these were created in a collective. 0.75

00:12:01.000 And you don't understand the African community because you're from this community.

00:12:06.000 And then she says this, there's no such thing as a Christian worldview.

00:12:09.000 And I just went, wow.

00:12:12.000 It's like.

00:12:12.000 Wait, I'm sorry.

00:12:13.000 So a Christian church Hillsong pastor from there was agreeing with this?

00:12:17.000 She's a psychologist from Maryland.

00:12:19.000 Her husband's a pastor.

00:12:21.000 Yeah, to be honest, Christine Kane, I don't think she knew what was happening.

00:12:26.000 I think she totally has no idea.

00:12:28.000 That's not an excuse.

00:12:30.000 I agree wholeheartedly with you, but this is so crazy.

00:12:33.000 Let me just say this real quick.

00:12:34.000 The one thing I thought about that there's no Christian worldview, and she's using this idea of a dream of Nordic and African tribes.

00:12:40.000 I'm like, okay, Christine Kane has no clue of history because the Nordic tribes are Scottish, because she's just basically drawing it back. 0.68

00:12:47.000 You're white, and this is your formation.

00:12:51.000 No, I'm sorry. 1.00

00:12:52.000 The Scots were pagans, polytheistic, and they ate each other. 0.98

00:12:56.000 I mean, everybody is with sin. 0.99

00:12:59.000 I don't care where you're from.

00:13:00.000 That's where we could communicate.

00:13:02.000 Christ changes everything.

00:13:04.000 What you're describing in your dream is a constitutional republic formulated by Christian biblical worldview and collectivism of communist.

00:13:13.000 That's not from Stockholm.

00:13:14.000 It's from Jerusalem.

00:13:15.000 I know.

00:13:17.000 Which is the blend of all.

00:13:18.000 But she had a dream. 0.99

00:13:20.000 Give her a break.

00:13:21.000 I'm just trying to understand.

00:13:22.000 So a major church, the biggest church, and this is one of the biggest churches in New York.

00:13:25.000 This is what they consider to be truth.

00:13:27.000 Christine Kane was eating it up.

00:13:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:29.000 I mean, they can't.

00:13:30.000 They consider their church.

00:13:32.000 Every camp is worldwide the same church, essentially.

00:13:34.000 They consider it.

00:13:35.000 Kane is not in New York.

00:13:36.000 She's somewhere else around the world.

00:13:37.000 She's in Australia.

00:13:38.000 But you're from New York and you've mentioned that.

00:13:39.000 Yeah, I mean, listen, Anita Phillips says to Kane, listen, the reason why you're such a deep thinker is because you're Greek.

00:13:45.000 And don't you know that all the Greek people are incredibly deep thinkers?

00:13:49.000 Because one time I've heard of a person called Aristotle and Plato, and therefore I'm extrapolating on all Greeks throughout the history of man deep thinking.

00:13:56.000 And you want to say, like, do you not know the history of the world?

00:14:00.000 That every culture that reaches an economic apex has the ability, because of economic softness in their economy, to have time to think deep thoughts. 0.59

00:14:09.000 So it's not the Greeks have some kind of unique power, but that's how awfully eugenic argument. 0.86

00:14:14.000 It's incredibly eugenic.

00:14:16.000 It's incredibly shallow. 1.00

00:14:17.000 So only Greeks are deep thinkers. 1.00

00:14:19.000 Only African are communal people. 0.98

00:14:21.000 It really is racism is frankly what it is. 0.95

00:14:24.000 And so it's that application.

00:14:26.000 It's a reversion back to tribalism.

00:14:28.000 And what's really interesting is that you look at what the improbability of the West, which is this miraculous blend of reason and revelation.

00:14:40.000 And you put those two together.

00:14:42.000 And if they allow to exist too mutually exclusively of the other, society and civilization, you need that balance.

00:14:48.000 You need that struggle, right?

00:14:49.000 You go too far to reason, then all of a sudden you get way too secular Darwinist.

00:14:53.000 And then if you go too far, obviously, just for obvious reasons, no secular Darwinists.

00:14:58.000 And I've challenged them publicly. 0.67

00:14:59.000 I say, tell me why blind people should not be killed in a secular Darwinist worldview. 0.98

00:15:04.000 Walk me through. 0.96

00:15:05.000 Or say or give a moral reason why rape isn't wrong. 1.00

00:15:09.000 Right.

00:15:09.000 And so Sam Harris tries to, I think his reasoning's okay on that one because it's one of force and not of consent.

00:15:16.000 And so, but I don't think it's perfect.

00:15:18.000 I'm just saying like Sam Harris addresses that in the moral landscape.

00:15:21.000 But the four horsemen of the apocalypse, of the, not the apocalypse, four horsemen of the atheist apocalypse, whatever they call themselves, right?

00:15:27.000 Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, and the fourth guy, who I can never remember.

00:15:31.000 Poor guy.

00:15:33.000 Yeah, we'll pray for him.

00:15:35.000 So, and if you understand those guys, it actually makes somewhat of a joke. 0.86

00:15:38.000 So, but Harris can't answer the question, what do you do with blind or deaf people? 0.98

00:15:43.000 What do you do with them? 1.00

00:15:44.000 And they, because in the social Darwinist hierarchy, there should be no, there's no utility for them.

00:15:52.000 They are up against a, they are up against something they did not create that is a ceiling, right?

00:15:58.000 And so we take this for granted. 0.96

00:15:59.000 The West was the first civilization to make houses for the blind, learning centers for the deaf. 0.71

00:16:04.000 It was Christians that did it in year 300 in Jerusalem. 0.69

00:16:07.000 In Jerusalem, it was Christians and churches that did it. 0.70

00:16:09.000 And so we take this so for granted.

00:16:10.000 I just love that example because all of us in some capacity, we know someone who is either dealing with a severe mental disability.

00:16:17.000 We know someone that has dealt with blind or being blind or deaf.

00:16:20.000 Yet none of us would ever say they should be executed.

00:16:24.000 What do they do for blind and deaf people in India prior to Christianity?

00:16:28.000 Before British imperial rule came in in common law, what did they do? 0.62

00:16:31.000 They're used as sex slaves in Greece, sex slaves in Rome, are they cast aside and basically brutally murdered by the age of four in India. 0.88

00:16:38.000 There's no utility for them. 0.98

00:16:39.000 So we take this like, oh, that's common sense in the West.

00:16:41.000 You know, they would say the Hillsong people would say, oh, of course it is.

00:16:44.000 No, it's called Western sense.

00:16:46.000 And you're in a capacity to articulate or defend it.

00:16:49.000 Yeah, and this comes from the book, Vishnal Mangdagali.

00:16:53.000 I can never say his name, Vishnal, the book that built your world.

00:16:56.000 If you actually look at everything from, if you grow up in an Eastern world, India, and then you become a convert, this is why Ravi Zacharias and Dinesh D'Souza and Vishal are the most effective evangelists because they come into the West and they're like, you have no idea what you guys have here.

00:17:10.000 Like, go to Calcutta and go see 33,000 people on the side of the street that are thought of as insects.

00:17:16.000 And we think of that.

00:17:16.000 We're like, oh, come on, that's not true.

00:17:17.000 That's just, no, it's because they don't have an ethic that is built upon truth.

00:17:21.000 Yeah, right.

00:17:22.000 Well, and the caste system is they should be there.

00:17:25.000 It's not that we should take them out, that if you take them out, they're not able to live out their potential righteousness, that then maybe the universe will lift them in the castle.

00:17:34.000 And this is the problem with liberation theology in the Catholic tradition is because they actually think there's something admirable in the state of poverty.

00:17:42.000 And this is where Mother Teresa, I think, got wrong theologically.

00:17:45.000 She did some great things, but she actually thought, why would you want to break them out of the freedom they have in poverty?

00:17:49.000 And I think that's just very troubling.

00:17:52.000 Yeah, it's theologically.

00:17:53.000 It's antithetical to every church father that we have of the patriarchs, right?

00:17:57.000 Like if you look at Abraham and Genesis 12, 1, 2, 3, the blessings that God promises for him, he says, leave this structure, leave this way of thinking, leave this way of being, of doing, and come out with me not knowing where you're going to go, and I will bless you in an incredible way.

00:18:12.000 That's the archetype of faith.

00:18:16.000 When you see the moral knowledge given by God in the Decalogue.

00:18:22.000 What is the Decalogue for?

00:18:23.000 The Ten Commandments.

00:18:24.000 Okay.

00:18:25.000 The observation of that and a community that lives by that.

00:18:28.000 Those are rules to live by.

00:18:29.000 So the community is going to flourish.

00:18:32.000 And with that flourishing, you're going to be, as you described, the Greek culture, you know, increasing in its significance.

00:18:39.000 It's because they had time to have commerce and they create.

00:18:42.000 And that's what happens when you have rules, where when you shake someone's hand, you know you're not going to covet, you're not going to steal, you're not going to murder, and you have rules to play by.

00:18:50.000 But we take this so far.

00:18:51.000 I want to reinforce this.

00:18:52.000 We do, because, yeah, go ahead.

00:18:53.000 For granted is actually the perfect term as if it was, it was granted to us, actually.

00:18:58.000 I think that term actually need to dive more into it.

00:19:00.000 We take it so built into us.

00:19:02.000 We don't know a lot of Westerners and a lot of these Christian incorporated types, they only, they have no paradigm for looking at the world anything other than, well, of course, we're always going to have different ideas being discussed. 0.84

00:19:16.000 Of course, we have private property. 0.82

00:19:18.000 Of course we have dignity for human beings.

00:19:21.000 But if you don't have a civilization that is built around that and the civilization just explodes, something will replace that.

00:19:27.000 But they have to label it, or the evil has to label it in some capacity for another human being to kill that human being. 0.86

00:19:34.000 So that's white. 0.94

00:19:36.000 That's Western. 0.99

00:19:37.000 That's Nordic. 0.99

00:19:38.000 I'm happy to call it Western.

00:19:40.000 They use it as a pejorative.

00:19:41.000 Yeah, it's a pejorative.

00:19:42.000 But the only way the enemy can survive is to pit us one way.

00:19:47.000 But that's what made the West so different, is that it was an admission, albeit a very clumsy and begrudging path.

00:19:54.000 But we actually hit an apex almost in the 1980s, early 90s, where we came up against the other ultimate totalitarian force, Soviet communism, and defeated ever having to fire a bullet or get into nuclear war.

00:20:06.000 And in the early 90s, where I was born, I believe, and I think history is going to be very fierce to exactly what happened post when I became about 18, where I hit the apex of post-racial America.

00:20:18.000 I really did.

00:20:19.000 I went to high school from the years 2008 to 2012, right when Barack Obama was elected.

00:20:25.000 And it wasn't because of Obama, but I say this, and I went to a high school that was 53% Hispanic.

00:20:29.000 I was the minority as a white kid in my high school.

00:20:32.000 We had blacks.

00:20:33.000 We had 100 different countries represented in our high school.

00:20:35.000 Think about that.

00:20:36.000 It was like the United Nations, right?

00:20:37.000 We had Arab kids, we had Iranians, we had Saudi kids, we had Persian, we had everything you can imagine.

00:20:43.000 And I say this as honestly as I can.

00:20:45.000 We did not look at each other as different.

00:20:47.000 We didn't.

00:20:48.000 It actually worked.

00:20:49.000 It was, here's what it means to live a good life, even in our secular high school.

00:20:52.000 It was about telling the truth, being full of integrity.

00:20:55.000 And of course, these are biblical principles.

00:20:57.000 But now that very high school I went to eight years later is a disaster. 0.85

00:21:01.000 It is now white kids against black kids, Hispanic kids. 0.52

00:21:04.000 It is a total racial mess because they've instituted post- And so I've seen it in real time.

00:21:09.000 We're going regressively in a very dangerous direction. 0.94

00:21:13.000 Yeah.

00:21:14.000 You pointed out earlier, when you remove dialogue, all you have left is war.

00:21:19.000 And that's, this is something that we take for granted.

00:21:22.000 And I mean, I don't want to give Socrates all the credit for this, but the Socratic dialogue, which actually Plato wrote, Socrates never wrote anything himself.

00:21:30.000 The Socratic dialogues were written by his student Plato, is something we take for granted in the West.

00:21:35.000 In a lot of different ways, you could make the argument, and this is, I don't want to cause too much controversy in theological circles, I could make the argument Christ read Plato.

00:21:43.000 I could.

00:21:44.000 And I wouldn't be the first one to do that.

00:21:46.000 Other people would say that too, because Plato was before Christ.

00:21:49.000 And I'm not saying that it was in any way close to the scriptures, but Jesus didn't read Plato.

00:21:55.000 He made Plato.

00:21:56.000 Go ahead.

00:21:56.000 No.

00:21:57.000 No, that's fine.

00:21:58.000 But I think that he understood, though, it was under Hellenistic rule, though, right?

00:22:03.000 I mean, you have to understand the region of Judea and Samaria prior to the Roman Empire had a huge Hellenistic influence, right?

00:22:10.000 So understanding the thinkers of Plato and Aristotle was impressive.

00:22:13.000 All the church fathers were.

00:22:14.000 Right, exactly.

00:22:16.000 Exactly right.

00:22:17.000 Of course, there is a superiority there.

00:22:19.000 What I'm saying, though, is that this idea of dialogue, which Christ really was the embodiment of, right?

00:22:25.000 Where we can kind of talk out our differences in the public square, which the Pharisees were completely opposed to.

00:22:30.000 They're like, what are you doing all this talking for?

00:22:32.000 This is why they were so angry. 0.85

00:22:34.000 But if you remove dialogue and you remove the pursuit of speech, and this is what happens in Far Eastern religions, right?

00:22:40.000 In Buddhism, a true Buddhist never talks.

00:22:43.000 Think about that. 0.98

00:22:44.000 A absolute Buddhist never speaks a word. 0.99

00:22:47.000 He just says mantras and he's quiet all day long.

00:22:49.000 That is what living a good Buddhist life is.

00:22:52.000 A good Christian life is actually speaking truth as much as you possibly can to as many people. 0.99

00:22:56.000 It's the exact opposite. 0.96

00:22:58.000 And Martin Luther deserves a lot of credit for this because he kind of liberated the scholasticism of Europe where people then were able to independently speak and independently pursue truth.

00:23:08.000 And then the utility of speech is something we don't talk about enough, which is, and we know why it's moral to speak, but we don't talk about why it's actually in a utility good.

00:23:18.000 It actually allows bad ideas to be made look foolish really quickly, right? 0.91

00:23:22.000 So if you allow to speak, you know, let's say we're having this beautiful conference here and some numbskull gets up on stage and says something incredibly sinful or foolish. 0.96

00:23:31.000 We're going to probably pull him aside and say, this was a, what are you doing? 0.88

00:23:33.000 What's that?

00:23:34.000 All of a sudden, these ideas are then able to cross-examine and then people are able to make good decisions.

00:23:38.000 If all of a sudden you remove all of that and there's just one size fits all and there's only one belief, well, then people are going to resort to the only thing that they can associate with, which is tribal identity.

00:23:52.000 And it's that simple.

00:23:52.000 There's no bridge because there was this great leap forward from tribalism to the West, right?

00:23:58.000 This great leap forward was inspired by the Bible, spurred on by the Enlightenment, which the Enlightenment in a lot of different ways.

00:24:03.000 If I were to say it, and the secularists would totally disagree, the Enlightenment was just discovering what was already there made by God, right?

00:24:09.000 Newton didn't discover force time equals mass times acceleration.

00:24:12.000 He just happened to articulate it, right?

00:24:14.000 I should say he didn't create it.

00:24:15.000 He just discovered it.

00:24:17.000 That's a better way to say it.

00:24:18.000 But Descartes didn't come up with the idea of self-identity because of thinking, right?

00:24:21.000 He just, and I actually think that Immanuel Kant really was honestly when he said we should dare to know.

00:24:27.000 I think the more we know, the more it affirms the scriptures, actually.

00:24:30.000 I think the pursuit of truth actually affirms Christianity.

00:24:32.000 Where am I going after all this?

00:24:33.000 If you get rid of dialogue, you'll have violence very quickly.

00:24:37.000 It always happens.

00:24:38.000 Yeah, we were talking about this.

00:24:39.000 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

00:24:42.000 John 1, one of the most important parts of.

00:24:43.000 Yeah, one of the most important chapters of the scripture is the significance and power of the word, the spoken word of God.

00:24:50.000 We've been in churches for decades that the parishioners don't even pray out loud.

00:24:55.000 They've been so castrated in a way.

00:24:58.000 They're so afraid that they can't even open their voice to pray at all.

00:25:03.000 And when God spoke, was he hoping in a corner somewhere?

00:25:06.000 Or did he speak life and the universe into being with his very word and breath creating the universe around him?

00:25:14.000 So we create our realities with, and I mean, then you have guys like Wittgenstein that come in and they try to deconstruct language and word and all that kind of stuff.

00:25:22.000 But for us as Christians, the foundations are words are incredibly powerful.

00:25:27.000 And the Torah, the scripture, the word of God, right?

00:25:30.000 Moses comes down with the words of God on a table.

00:25:33.000 And this is why the First Amendment is freedom of speech in assemblies, because the founders recognized, John Locke articulated it beautifully, that first given right, that first principle of speech.

00:25:43.000 Without it, you have nothing else.

00:25:45.000 So my granddaughter, she was born the same day that my great Dane was born.

00:25:55.000 And they came into my life.

00:25:58.000 And now she's three, and my great Dane's three.

00:26:03.000 The great Dane grew faster.

00:26:05.000 It took liberty a long time to grow.

00:26:07.000 My great Dane doesn't speak very well.

00:26:10.000 He'll tilt his head, doesn't communicate real well.

00:26:13.000 I can tell if he's thirsty, if he wants food, wants to be let out.

00:26:16.000 That's about it.

00:26:18.000 She wouldn't even two, and she was putting five-word sentences together.

00:26:22.000 She is one of the most articulate kids I've ever met.

00:26:25.000 And the minute she learned how to speak, it was for one reason.

00:26:30.000 To declare justice.

00:26:32.000 That's not fair.

00:26:34.000 That's not right.

00:26:36.000 No.

00:26:39.000 That's what makes humans different than all other creatures.

00:26:43.000 Because God gave us the spoken word for justice, for truth, to be able to communicate that.

00:26:52.000 So let's talk about that.

00:26:54.000 So justice, either of you can take this.

00:26:57.000 Now churches are saying we believe in justice, therefore we believe in racial justice, social justice, and environmental justice.

00:27:03.000 What's wrong with that?

00:27:04.000 You don't put a word before justice.

00:27:07.000 Why?

00:27:07.000 Because God is just.

00:27:09.000 He is justice.

00:27:10.000 He's the embodiment of justice.

00:27:12.000 To put social justice means it's in man's hands.

00:27:15.000 So if 51% of the people say that this is wrong, then no, he's the author of the universe.

00:27:22.000 He's made the rules.

00:27:26.000 Yeah, I mean, justice is as to a system, right?

00:27:29.000 It has to have a construct which it compares acts according to.

00:27:32.000 And when you ask what is, when you say justice, you're implying you're asserting a set of moral values and principles.

00:27:40.000 And we're without moral values and principles.

00:27:41.000 What are we talking about?

00:27:42.000 So they make them shifting with social justice.

00:27:44.000 You get to make them up as you go.

00:27:45.000 You get to.

00:27:46.000 Isn't WAP the most famous song of our day right now?

00:27:49.000 You're going to talk to me about a system of moral values?

00:27:52.000 Have you lost your mind?

00:27:53.000 And if you dare question it, they come after you with mockery and with intensity. 1.00

00:27:57.000 And we all have to listen to this pseudo-brilliance allegedly of Cardi B, who's a complete fool. 0.98

00:28:02.000 A lie is never tolerant of the truth. 0.98

00:28:03.000 And the only way a lie can exist is to silence the truth.

00:28:06.000 Thus censorship.

00:28:06.000 Yes.

00:28:07.000 So the scripture gives us a system of moral justice.

00:28:09.000 And so when we talk about justice, we have a system of way that we can take, you know, way that's separate from that set system out of congruence.

00:28:21.000 And can we say, does this match up with these actions?

00:28:23.000 Or really ultimately, the ethic of this system.

00:28:27.000 And it seems to me that at the beginning, God said, I've created you, man, on this earth to be fruitful and multiply.

00:28:33.000 That life itself, the teleology, the purpose of man is this life multiplier.

00:28:40.000 And we live in a culture that's like the hecubus.

00:28:45.000 It's the snake consuming its own tail.

00:28:47.000 It's consumption for consumptive sake as opposed to giving life, sacrificing for life, which throws back to your Calcutta blind guy story. 0.96

00:28:56.000 Like, why do we not get off him in Christianity? 0.64

00:28:59.000 Because life has value.

00:29:01.000 It's made in the image of God.

00:29:02.000 And we're called to not just protect it, but to multiply it.

00:29:06.000 Yes.

00:29:07.000 And I think that one of the issues, though, right now is that as Christianity has abdicated its role in the public square and in the communication to young people and has tried to water down the theology, we now have a very, a very attractive form of self-indulgent nihilism that is taking place. 0.59

00:29:27.000 And this was all very predictable, by the way.

00:29:30.000 It's not exactly not as if we're going through a pattern right now that was unforeseen, right?

00:29:36.000 You remove the moral order, something fills that.

00:29:39.000 And the most obvious is just trying to fill your body with the right chemicals or the right songs or the right feelings, right, to be able to do that.

00:29:47.000 Do you think that the church that is pandering or is partnering with BLM Incorporated or with critical race theory, not getting involved in politics, that is doing all these sorts of different things?

00:30:00.000 Are they equally, do you think that there's also an issue with how they're not communicating even to the secular, nihilistic world that's growing around them?

00:30:13.000 Jesus says two totally, Jesus says contradictory stuff all the time. 0.55

00:30:16.000 Christians don't like to talk about it.

00:30:18.000 But like at one point, Jesus says, if you're not with us, you're against us.

00:30:21.000 And then later he says, if you're not against us, that you're with us.

00:30:24.000 Like, what are you talking about, Jesus?

00:30:26.000 Well, in different contexts, different truths play out.

00:30:30.000 And there's a place where this culture is literally on a breakneck speed towards the cliff of absolute chaos.

00:30:38.000 And we can see it all over the place.

00:30:40.000 The pictures are to the French Revolution, to Rome, to the destructions of those great nations are here with us today, right now.

00:30:48.000 And we're waiting for it to happen.

00:30:50.000 And if a church at some point is in the middle of some kind of semi-normal culture and they're not getting engaged and involved, fine, you're doing your thing.

00:30:58.000 You're talking about Jesus.

00:30:59.000 Clap, clap, raise hands.

00:31:00.000 But then there's a place where we're about to fall off the cliff.

00:31:03.000 And who is called to stand for God and his way and his moral order?

00:31:07.000 And if at that time you're still abdicating your voice in the community, then I think you're probably in trouble.

00:31:14.000 As it was in the days of Noah and as it was in the days of Lot.

00:31:18.000 And the reason why they add, as it was in the days of Lot, is you think about Lot.

00:31:23.000 He's in Hebrews, he's in Timothy where it says, righteous Lot tormented his righteous soul by giving his eyes and his ears audience of things of this world.

00:31:31.000 You put the word righteous in front of someone's name in the New Testament.

00:31:34.000 I want to know who that person is because I want to live my life after him. 0.89

00:31:37.000 Well, this is a man that lived in Sodom and Gomorrah, offered his virgin daughters to be abused, and then had sexual relations with them while he was drunk. 0.95

00:31:55.000 And his wife was turned into a pillar of salt. 0.85

00:31:58.000 Yet the New Testament says righteous Lot.

00:32:00.000 And God actually removed him because Abraham prayed and said, if there's any righteous, would you spare the city? 0.57

00:32:05.000 And they let him bring him out. 0.77

00:32:07.000 Lot is the church of today, as it was in the days of Lot.

00:32:10.000 Oh, he's righteous. 0.53

00:32:11.000 He's got his get out of hell-free card.

00:32:13.000 But he sits in Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:32:15.000 He sits at the city gate.

00:32:16.000 Nobody in that town even knows he's a believer.

00:32:19.000 His family doesn't even know he's a believer.

00:32:22.000 And he's willing to sacrifice his children and everything else.

00:32:25.000 But he's still been saved by grace through faith, but nobody else has a clue.

00:32:30.000 Yeah.

00:32:31.000 Genesis 19, that portion of Lot hanging out, that city is called place of burning.

00:32:36.000 The king that's over that city, his name means king of iniquity.

00:32:40.000 So he's this king of iniquity over city of burning.

00:32:43.000 I think Gomorrah means place of drowning, but they're the same pictures of absolute consumed by your own iniquity.

00:32:51.000 And it's the culture that we seem to be engaged in right now.

00:32:56.000 The church can be considered part of the bride of Christ.

00:33:01.000 But just like Lot, who is righteous and is in the New Testament in that capacity, nobody in heaven has a clue.

00:33:09.000 I mean, even the angels came to, we got to go.

00:33:11.000 He still lingered.

00:33:13.000 And everything he loved about Sodom and Gomorrah is you can take Lot out of Egypt, but you can't take Egypt out of Lot. 0.73

00:33:19.000 The church has fallen in love with the world and they don't want to leave. 0.67

00:33:24.000 And they're going to accommodate until there's nothing that even defines them anymore other than what Christ did.

00:33:30.000 There's no works.

00:33:32.000 I don't know if that helps.

00:33:33.000 No, it does.

00:33:34.000 Absolutely.

00:33:35.000 So speaking, can you just give us an idea?

00:33:39.000 Are you seeing more and more pastors rise up to all this?

00:33:42.000 Yeah.

00:33:42.000 You are too.

00:33:44.000 What do you see on the landscape?

00:33:44.000 Do you have optimism?

00:33:45.000 And what's your message to Christians out there? 0.97

00:33:47.000 Church won't open is also pandering to all these things.

00:33:52.000 I think that there's going to be a continued shaking.

00:33:55.000 I do not think we've seen the end of it.

00:33:57.000 I think there will, you know, like New York City, the day after, like two days after riots, the streets are filled with revelers again.

00:34:03.000 Like there's something, something more will happen, I think, before pastors really have a wake-up call.

00:34:09.000 And I don't know what that is.

00:34:10.000 I have some friends that are, the lights are turning on and it's incredibly encouraging because courage encourages courage, right?

00:34:17.000 Somebody said that to me recently and I'm like, that's amazing, right?

00:34:20.000 Exactly.

00:34:21.000 But I don't, I'm not optimistic.

00:34:24.000 I'm not optimistic for people.

00:34:26.000 I'm optimistic for the kingdom because as the shake, as the pruning takes place, greater fruit grows.

00:34:31.000 The real fruit grows.

00:34:33.000 The real forward movement of the kingdom of God happens after the pruning takes place.

00:34:37.000 And it seems to me that the pruning is not over yet.

00:34:43.000 I'm very optimistic in probably a very similar sense.

00:34:47.000 And this is the part I want to encourage you with.

00:34:50.000 You know, I look at you, David, and I didn't know you a month ago.

00:34:55.000 And now I'm like, thank you, God.

00:34:58.000 And I'm wondering where the rest of the guys are.

00:35:03.000 And I almost feel like it's Gideon's army.

00:35:06.000 But there's a pride in thinking that.

00:35:08.000 And this is how the Lord blessed me because in the community, I've had a relationship with these pastors for 20 years and only two of them have joined me.

00:35:15.000 But they're still my friends.

00:35:17.000 They still support me secretly, but they haven't opened.

00:35:21.000 And the Lord said to my heart, he said, you know, yeah, I use Gideon, but the ones that went away because they wanted to go be with their families for whatever reason, the Lord brought them back in and they became part of the army.

00:35:34.000 They'll find that inspiration.

00:35:37.000 The whole nation was blessed because of Gideon's standing in that hour.

00:35:40.000 Yeah, so pick who you want, but ultimately, let's all join together.

00:35:45.000 I want to win him back.

00:35:46.000 I don't want to lose my brothers.

00:35:48.000 For Christians that say, you shouldn't care that much about your country, why do you care about America?

00:35:53.000 What do you say about that?

00:35:55.000 I get a lot of those messages.

00:35:56.000 Yeah, I mean, I would ask the question, why do you care about your family?

00:35:59.000 Why would you ever care about your family?

00:36:01.000 Why would you ever care about your brother or your sister or your mom and your dad?

00:36:04.000 Because those are the people that he gave to you.

00:36:08.000 Yeah.

00:36:09.000 A country is made up of something that people don't understand.

00:36:12.000 It's made up of cities that are made up of villages that are made up of families.

00:36:17.000 So I love the United States of America primarily or axiomatically because I love my dad and my mom and my brother and my sister.

00:36:26.000 And from there, it builds out a love for a people that I deeply love where God has placed me.

00:36:31.000 So listen, I'm all for Christ as king of the earth, 100%.

00:36:36.000 Like Christ is the king of the earth.

00:36:38.000 He's not wearing an American cape right now.

00:36:40.000 He's king of the universe, right?

00:36:41.000 He's the ruler of all these domains.

00:36:43.000 But he set me a part of a specific family in a specific city and a specific nation that I'm called to.

00:36:51.000 That's why I care deeply about my nation.

00:36:55.000 I do love America.

00:36:57.000 I love America not because of the boundaries, although it's a beautiful country, but every nation on the face of the earth has beautiful territory.

00:37:05.000 I love America because of the idea.

00:37:08.000 America's an idea.

00:37:10.000 And when you come here, wherever you come from the world and you become a citizen, you're an American.

00:37:15.000 My relatives came from Scotland.

00:37:17.000 Yours came from Germany, I'm assuming.

00:37:20.000 And you're an American.

00:37:21.000 And the reason why I like the idea, why it's instilled in me, is because the idea is liberty, dedicated to the proposition all men are created equal, endowed by the Creator, and this is given.

00:37:32.000 And that idea has been defended for 244 years with men and women who valued it, bled and died for it.

00:37:42.000 And so I have a commitment.

00:37:43.000 Yes, I do love this country because this country is an idea.

00:37:48.000 And it's the greatest idea mankind has ever known.

00:37:50.000 And that's called liberty because God gave it to us and it must be preserved.

00:37:55.000 It's the greatest nation ever to exist and it is the beginning of Western society.

00:37:59.000 And we are seeing it in real time.

00:38:02.000 You have nothing to replace this place with.

00:38:04.000 It'll crumble quicker than you could possibly imagine.

00:38:07.000 And we're headed that way.

00:38:08.000 I mean, people say, well, Charlie, where do you see this thing going next?

00:38:11.000 It's like, it's not good.

00:38:12.000 I'm telling you.

00:38:13.000 You just read a little bit about what happens when some sort of a center staple happens on a civilization, disappears, for better or for worse.

00:38:23.000 It can be when a patriarch leaves a family, a pastor leaves a church, you know, a CEO leaves a company, or in a worse case, a dictator leaves a country.

00:38:33.000 You'll have a power vacuum.

00:38:35.000 And when America leaves the West, there will be no more West.

00:38:38.000 It's that simple.

00:38:39.000 And Bob McKeon says from scripture, when you buy the strongman, there's no love.

00:38:45.000 And it's the weak and the vulnerable that are most harmed in those times.

00:38:48.000 That's the festival.

00:38:49.000 And Jesus says, like, woe to that nursing mom who's, you know, with child, because it's the worst to the weakest.

00:38:56.000 And we have this movement that's like, what about the weak?

00:38:58.000 What about the weak?

00:38:58.000 And you're like, you're going to destroy them when you destroyed this system.

00:39:03.000 They're doing it now. 0.96

00:39:04.000 Black BLM, you know, the Holocaust on the unborn black child in America, and they partnered with Planned Parenthood. 0.99

00:39:12.000 It's a Holocaust. 0.99

00:39:14.000 They're destroying the vulnerable now. 0.94

00:39:17.000 It is consuming.

00:39:20.000 The devil is a roaring lion roaming about seeking who may devour, and he comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

00:39:26.000 And as you said, Charlie, the left can only deconstruct.

00:39:28.000 They don't build it.

00:39:29.000 They've never built anything.

00:39:30.000 The left has never built anything in their existence.

00:39:32.000 Any donkey can knock down a barn door, but only a carpenter can build.

00:39:35.000 But you know what's actually amazing?

00:39:36.000 And I just want to, this is an optimistic point, how incredible of what we live in.

00:39:41.000 Because look at how hard they've tried, how much money they've spent, what they've done, and the West is still intact.

00:39:47.000 It's actually rather incredible.

00:39:48.000 They were able to topple Cuba in like an afternoon when Fidel Castro and Che Guevara are like, let's go take over this island.

00:39:55.000 Mugabe and Rhodesia was like, this is Zimbabwe now. 0.77

00:39:59.000 I mean, even Lenin was able to overthrow the Tsars. 0.77

00:40:02.000 Roba's spear was able to...

00:40:03.000 The fact they haven't yet tilted this thing over should just give you pause at how unbelievably durable what we have been given is and special.

00:40:14.000 Yeah.

00:40:15.000 And I think part of that durability is actually the moral fabric.

00:40:18.000 It's actually the church.

00:40:19.000 Of course it is.

00:40:19.000 And so when we look at Abraham in Genesis 18 praying for the city that fire is about to drop on, he's like, God, just if there's only, you know, 1,000, 500, 100, one, please, one.

00:40:30.000 Come on, one.

00:40:32.000 Exactly.

00:40:32.000 He was kind of bargaining.

00:40:34.000 And that culture was on the brink of absolute chaos and destruction, the judgment of God.

00:40:34.000 Yeah.

00:40:40.000 We have a vastly different place.

00:40:42.000 Now we have, you know.

00:40:44.000 What's so amazing is we're living in order generally.

00:40:47.000 Of course, there's plenty of chaos, but the general society going towards chaos.

00:40:52.000 We've never encountered something like this before.

00:40:54.000 And so the playbook is like, yeah, let's go make things uncertain again.

00:40:59.000 Let's go back.

00:41:00.000 Let's go back to just judging people on skin color because we're progressive.

00:41:03.000 Socialism has never worked in the history of the world, but this is Democrat socialism.

00:41:08.000 What's that?

00:41:08.000 Well, socialism is a turd, and Democrat socialism is sprinkles on that.

00:41:14.000 It's better this time. 0.98

00:41:15.000 It's still a turd.

00:41:17.000 Can I say that on your show?

00:41:18.000 Yeah, sure.

00:41:18.000 You can do it.

00:41:18.000 Even if you minister?

00:41:19.000 Yeah, you can do whatever you want.

00:41:22.000 Well, any closing thoughts, David?

00:41:24.000 No, thanks.

00:41:25.000 I think we covered the turd on my closing thoughts.

00:41:28.000 Oh, my gosh.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 20, 2020

BLM Inc Has No Place in the Church OR America

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