The Charlie Kirk Show - Bondi Down + The Suicidal Death of the West ft. Dr. Gad Saad

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00:01:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 It's April 2nd.

00:01:20.000 We got through April 1st.

00:01:23.000 I was not unscathed, I have to say.

00:01:24.000 I got duped a couple of times.

00:01:26.000 I was really enjoying some local sheriff's agency put up AI generated stuff of their new Don't Safety Initiative.

00:01:37.000 So they were putting up special.

00:01:38.000 Don't signs that represented like don't get distracted and various things.

00:01:42.000 And they're putting it, you know, above stop signs.

00:01:44.000 Don't stop.

00:01:45.000 Don't yield.

00:01:46.000 I like that a lot.

00:01:47.000 That sounds potentially, you know, problematic for public safety, but that's all right.

00:01:53.000 It was good fun.

00:01:54.000 April 1st is done.

00:01:55.000 We're April 2nd here at the Y Refi Studios.

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00:02:03.000 So we've got lots of news to get to, and we've got a jam packed first hour.

00:02:07.000 We've got two guests in the second half of the hour.

00:02:09.000 So I want to.

00:02:10.000 Get to the news right now.

00:02:11.000 So there's multiple things swirling that I think all could be the lead if we wanted to.

00:02:17.000 First of which is Trump gave a speech last night giving an update on the Iran war.

00:02:22.000 Now, a lot of people said, well, he didn't really make any news.

00:02:26.000 I actually disagree.

00:02:27.000 I think what was most interesting about the speech was what wasn't said.

00:02:32.000 Let's play some of his clips and kind of get the tone, set the stage, and I'll explain what I mean.

00:02:37.000 SOT 6.

00:02:39.000 Thanks to the progress we've made, I can say tonight that.

00:02:42.000 We are on track to complete all of America's military objectives shortly, very shortly.

00:02:48.000 We are going to hit them extremely hard over the next two to three weeks.

00:02:53.000 We're going to bring them back to the Stone Ages where they belong. 0.82

00:02:58.000 In the meantime, discussions are ongoing.

00:03:01.000 All right, so he gives a timeline two to three weeks.

00:03:04.000 We've heard that before.

00:03:05.000 Sometimes it goes back and forth.

00:03:09.000 President Trump is definitely reserving the right here to define what he sees as victory.

00:03:14.000 The question, though, has remained what to do with the Strait of Hormuz.

00:03:18.000 And I think that's where we're starting to get the most clarity here.

00:03:21.000 SAT 7.

00:03:23.000 To those countries that can't get fuel, many of which refuse to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, we had to do it ourselves. 0.73

00:03:32.000 I have a suggestion.

00:03:33.000 Number one, buy oil from the United States of America.

00:03:36.000 We have plenty, we have so much.

00:03:38.000 And number two, build up some delayed courage.

00:03:41.000 Should have done it before, should have done it with us as we asked.

00:03:45.000 Go to the straight and just take it, protect it, use it for yourselves.

00:03:50.000 Iran has been essentially decimated.

00:03:54.000 The hard part is done.

00:03:56.000 So, President Trump is sending a very clear signal to, I would say, France, England, Italy.

00:04:03.000 That's what that was directed to.

00:04:05.000 Because in another clip, he sort of gives a shout out to some of the Middle Eastern allies here that I think have met the moment in his eyes more.

00:04:13.000 SOP 3.

00:04:14.000 I want to thank our allies in the Middle East Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, Kuwait, and Bahrain.

00:04:25.000 They've been great, and we will not let them get hurt or fail in any way, shape, or form.

00:04:31.000 All right.

00:04:32.000 So I'm going to translate this because Blake's team, he didn't say much.

00:04:35.000 Here's what I'm going to say message is clear the U.S. is winning.

00:04:40.000 It's shy of we've officially won, though.

00:04:43.000 All right.

00:04:43.000 And I think that's consistent with some of the messaging we've heard.

00:04:46.000 He's got strong words for NATO.

00:04:48.000 The NATO countries that are dependent on energy flowing through the Strait of Hormuz, he's now telling them that it's your responsibility in the long run to keep the Strait open.

00:04:58.000 Not his job.

00:04:59.000 We have enough oil.

00:05:00.000 Okay.

00:05:00.000 We could talk about the implications of what that means.

00:05:03.000 He did not, and this is a key, he did not mention ground troops as some media outlets had been reporting he would do in this speech.

00:05:11.000 So the fact that there was not a ground invasion announced last night was a big, big deal.

00:05:16.000 Trump did not mention Kurdish troops.

00:05:18.000 Forces as other media outlets had predicted.

00:05:22.000 The war's not over, but that was about as close as you could get to President Trump spiking the football as you could get without doing it.

00:05:29.000 So we're 32 days in and a little bit of TBD on how many more weeks we have ahead of us.

00:05:36.000 So, what this was was President Trump defining his right to define what victory looks like and define when he is going to determine that the missional objectives have been achieved.

00:05:49.000 So that's What that speech was.

00:05:51.000 He was defining the Strait of Hormuz, what's the future there.

00:05:54.000 He was defining who he thinks have been good allies and who have been bad allies.

00:05:58.000 We've heard reports that President Trump and Marco Rubio are going to be reassessing our relationship to NATO after Epic Fury concludes.

00:06:08.000 And it's almost done.

00:06:10.000 That's what was really, I think, front and center here.

00:06:14.000 He wants to be able to say, this is what victory looks like.

00:06:16.000 Our mission is achieved.

00:06:18.000 We're out, Strait of Hormuz or not.

00:06:21.000 I think that if he wants to get a win for ending the war, the way to do that is to end the war. 0.66

00:06:27.000 Yep.

00:06:27.000 That's, I think, what he's saying.

00:06:29.000 Yeah.

00:06:29.000 But I guess what I was telling you is it was essentially what we've already heard on Truth Social.

00:06:35.000 In fact, they made the point, the White House made the point that he's been repeating the same thing that the goals are sink their fleet, destroy their missile capability, keep them from having a nuclear weapon.

00:06:44.000 And he emphasized that in the speech last night, but it's the same message.

00:06:49.000 And the reason it mattered that the president was giving a speech is people were wondering if it was going to.

00:06:54.000 Mark a big announcement.

00:06:55.000 And in fact, it didn't either way.

00:06:58.000 So if he says the war is nearly done, that is great if the war is in fact nearly done. 0.98

00:07:04.000 But we've been saying the war is nearly done since the Ayatollah was blown up.

00:07:08.000 Yeah.

00:07:08.000 Well, listen, I agree.

00:07:10.000 But again, he said four to six weeks.

00:07:13.000 We're four weeks in.

00:07:15.000 He did not mention ground troops.

00:07:16.000 I think that's a huge, huge thing to take note of.

00:07:19.000 He basically said, listen, we're basically wrapping up the job.

00:07:23.000 And if you want the straight cleared Europe who relies on this energy, we don't rely on it.

00:07:28.000 It's up to you to make it clear.

00:07:30.000 Okay.

00:07:31.000 And that's a big deal because he's wiping his hands of the responsibility.

00:07:36.000 I think the larger implications of this are going to be our relationship to NATO moving forward, our relationship to countries like Italy, Spain, that weren't letting us use their bases to launch strikes.

00:07:49.000 And you saw it in that clip from President Trump where he said, maybe you could get some delayed courage, do the right thing now, go support your own country's economy by clearing the strait.

00:07:59.000 I mean, I get.

00:08:00.000 I get the whole dynamic, and the NATO question is going to be looming large in the years and months and years to come.

00:08:07.000 So I think we have to be clear eyed about what that means.

00:08:10.000 I think there is NATO can be absolutely a force for good, but they really, there is an antagonism that has developed between the United States and our European allies that we can't, we just have to be clear eyed about it and open about it because it's out in the open now.

00:08:26.000 Well, the funniest thing about it is it does actually take you back to when President Trump wanted to buy Greenland.

00:08:33.000 The fact that all of these NATO allies are now denying the U.S. access to their airspace and air bases does drive home the point as to why it matters sometimes to have your own airspace and your own air bases on your own land.

00:08:46.000 Yeah, that's a good point.

00:08:47.000 So it is very interesting.

00:08:49.000 It's one thing for them to not join.

00:08:50.000 The fact that they've even denied the air bases after we've spent billions of dollars, I can understand why President Trump is very angry with them.

00:08:58.000 Yeah, I can too.

00:09:00.000 And you got to, at some point, you got to say, what are we getting out of this relationship?

00:09:04.000 I don't think that even if we.

00:09:06.000 Pull out of NATO, which I don't think is going to happen.

00:09:08.000 But even if we did that, it doesn't instantly mean that we're at each other's throats with Europe.

00:09:14.000 It doesn't.

00:09:15.000 It could mean something else.

00:09:16.000 And maybe this would force Europe to stop being fake and phony countries that think they have strong militaries when really they're just relying on the US military might.

00:09:26.000 I'm open minded.

00:09:27.000 I'm going to be really honest.

00:09:28.000 I don't fear the world order sort of shifting and evolving over time.

00:09:32.000 All right.

00:09:33.000 So the other big news here is that rumors are circulating around DC at the moment.

00:09:40.000 That Pam Bondi and Tulsi Gabbard could be on their way out.

00:09:46.000 It's being reported by Semaphore, which is Shelby Talcott.

00:09:51.000 She's a serious reporter.

00:09:53.000 So I would say don't take it too lightly.

00:09:55.000 She says News the president has informed Pam Bondi that her time as AG is nearing an end.

00:10:01.000 Multiple sources tell me.

00:10:03.000 Formal announcement hasn't yet come, aka all the normal caveats that he could change his mind.

00:10:10.000 He's been speaking with advisors on a possible replacement in recent days.

00:10:14.000 As others have reported this week, and Bondi is aware of that as well.

00:10:19.000 Blake, the timing has been brought into question, right?

00:10:22.000 Because the big controversy with Pam Bondi was over the Epstein binders.

00:10:26.000 We had, yeah, the Epstein binders, the Epstein files.

00:10:30.000 She's become the punching bag for everyone who's dissatisfied with how the administration handled that, a bit along with Kash Patel, but mostly Bondi.

00:10:38.000 When we did at Amfest, we did a survey of the approval of all of Trump's cabinet members, and basically all of them were really high, except Bondi.

00:10:50.000 25% disapproval, even higher.

00:10:52.000 I think she was the only one in double digits, even of disapproval.

00:10:55.000 And I think that's a real cohort of MAGA.

00:10:58.000 In fact, I'd appreciate emails, how you guys feel about this.

00:11:02.000 Freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:11:04.000 I think people have also projected onto her frustration that there's a lot of people who just want Fauci indicted.

00:11:11.000 They want members of the deep state indicted.

00:11:13.000 They want various Democrats indicted.

00:11:14.000 And there's been a few attempts at that.

00:11:16.000 They haven't fared great in court.

00:11:17.000 Some of them have also failed at the grand jury level.

00:11:20.000 But the point is, she's not.

00:11:22.000 Delivering scalps that a lot of MAGA supporters wanted, and she's a very easy person to blame for all of that.

00:11:29.000 There is a lot of activity in South Florida.

00:11:29.000 Yeah.

00:11:33.000 You know, we saw the one subpoena of James Comey.

00:11:36.000 I'm told there's a lot more coming there.

00:11:38.000 So perhaps, you know, waiting is really hard when it comes to this stuff.

00:11:44.000 I think there's a huge chunk of MAGA that just is not going to be satisfied until Anthony Fauci is, you know, arrested and shackled and that sort of thing.

00:11:53.000 I think it's.

00:11:56.000 It's a very, very hard job.

00:11:58.000 I just want to be very clear.

00:12:00.000 The job that Pam Bondi has is very difficult. 1.00

00:12:02.000 So I want to give some, at least a dose of grace, right?

00:12:09.000 If we had Mike Davis on, he'd probably be very supportive of her efforts thus far.

00:12:14.000 But nonetheless, wanted you guys to be aware Pam Bondi is, it's rumored that she is possibly or even probably on her way out.

00:12:24.000 Want to know your thoughts?

00:12:25.000 Freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:12:26.000 Send us your thoughts on Pam Bondi.

00:12:29.000 The other rumor, Mel.

00:12:30.000 Is over Tulsi Gabbard.

00:12:33.000 This goes back to her congressional testimony.

00:12:36.000 There were some feelings that she did not defend the president, I guess, vocally enough when it came to the Iran strikes.

00:12:44.000 I thought she threaded the needle.

00:12:46.000 Obviously, we're very aware that Tulsi Gabbard is a non interventionist.

00:12:50.000 That's kind of been her brand for a long time when she called.

00:12:55.000 Hillary Clinton, the queen of warmongers.

00:12:58.000 And I think it's fine.

00:12:59.000 It would have just, she could say something else, and then people would say she's just lying through her teeth.

00:13:04.000 There's just no way to win.

00:13:05.000 Like they trot her out here in order to create this drama.

00:13:08.000 But yeah, I'm less certain about this one.

00:13:11.000 I think Tulsi Gabbard, from everything I've heard, has been doing a great job.

00:13:15.000 That being said, you know, it's the president's decision to make.

00:13:19.000 So those are the two rumor mill pieces going around.

00:13:23.000 A lot of people saying they've been hearing similar things.

00:13:25.000 Again, I would put.

00:13:26.000 Tulsi in a less confident position about what's her future.

00:13:31.000 But Pam Bondi, these are real news reports.

00:13:33.000 Semaphore, Shelby Talcott is a serious reporter. 0.99

00:13:35.000 She's got multiple sources that have confirmed that.

00:13:38.000 So Pam Bondi very well could be nearing the end of her tenure in the Trump administration. 0.79

00:13:43.000 So let us know what you think of that.

00:13:44.000 Yeah.

00:13:45.000 The other big news, because there's a lot to get to, was that they have reached a deal.

00:13:51.000 The Senate and the House have come to terms on funding DHS.

00:13:54.000 And so the plan ahead, Mike Johnson did a.

00:13:58.000 A whole comment on it, an X, saying that at first he said that it was a joke.

00:14:04.000 The proposal was a joke.

00:14:06.000 The deal was reached that they were going to fund DHS with the exception of ICE and Customs and Border Patrol.

00:14:13.000 But the Democrats weren't getting any of the concessions.

00:14:18.000 Speaker Johnson did not like this at first, said it was a joke.

00:14:21.000 He's now changed his position.

00:14:22.000 They are going to pass full DHS funding minus the Border Patrol and ICE.

00:14:28.000 They're going to include that in a July.

00:14:30.000 Reconciliation bill, fund them additionally there.

00:14:34.000 What is important to understand is that ICE and CBP are already funded mostly through the one big beautiful bill.

00:14:42.000 So they have their paychecks have continued, their work has continued.

00:14:46.000 And the upshot so, if you're saying, What do we get out of this?

00:14:49.000 Is it a complete fold or not?

00:14:51.000 I happen to not like it.

00:14:52.000 But the upshot here is that they will not get any of the concessions that the Democrats wanted.

00:14:58.000 The Democrats wanted no masks, they wanted some other.

00:15:02.000 Areas of enforcement to be off limits.

00:15:05.000 They basically wanted to hamstring ICE and Customs and Border Patrol.

00:15:09.000 So, on the silver lining here is that they get none of those concessions.

00:15:13.000 Mass deportations will continue on.

00:15:15.000 The enforcement will continue, which is very popular with the base.

00:15:19.000 They'll just have to fund them in the reconciliation bill, which will be another fight.

00:15:24.000 Which will be another fight.

00:15:25.000 I don't think that we should ever get into this process of saying, hey, we're going to fund this agency, but not this, this, and this.

00:15:32.000 Because then it just becomes a race to the bottom of using leverage points against the left.

00:15:38.000 Again, it's just truly despicable.

00:15:40.000 It's this plan to try to.

00:15:44.000 The ultimate goal here is to prevent the enforcement of American law to enable the unlimited invasion of America by foreigners, including foreign criminals, including foreign gangsters, including foreign spies. 0.95

00:15:54.000 There is no limiting principle for the left.

00:15:56.000 And to do this, they are just going to randomly hurt Americans.

00:16:01.000 It's the.

00:16:02.000 Honestly, it's the government equivalent of like a school shooting.

00:16:05.000 Just hurt random people in order to get what we want, which is also an evil thing.

00:16:10.000 Despicable people.

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00:17:23.000 I'm excited about our next guest, and that is a gentleman named Jay Town.

00:17:27.000 Let me tell you about him.

00:17:28.000 He's a former Marine Corps officer and judge advocate for 13 years, former violent crimes prosecutor for the state of Alabama for 13 years, Trump-appointed United States attorney for the Northern District of Alabama in Trump's first term.

00:17:42.000 He's a Newsmax legal analyst, and now he's the chief compliance officer at Radiance Technologies.

00:17:48.000 Jay, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:17:51.000 It's an honor to be with you.

00:17:52.000 And before we get into our chat, let me just say that, like the tens of millions of households that grieved when Charlie was shot, it's really an honor to be here.

00:18:04.000 My house was no different.

00:18:05.000 It's an honor to be with you today.

00:18:07.000 Thank you for saying that.

00:18:08.000 And yeah, it means a lot.

00:18:10.000 It still does.

00:18:11.000 So thank you for saying that.

00:18:12.000 It does.

00:18:14.000 I wanted to have you on, Jay, because I was told you are one of the leading experts in the country when it comes to.

00:18:23.000 Litigating in the court of law, violent crime, understanding the way motions work from the defense and the prosecution and all this.

00:18:32.000 Obviously, a lot of news and noise was made when the Daily Mail dropped that headline and it was reporting on the brief from the prosecutor, Tyler, or the defense attorney for Tyler Robinson, where it said the bullets did not match.

00:18:47.000 And you have some insight here to help us understand how to make more sense of this.

00:18:51.000 I think we did a great job the day after this story launched, but I'm not done with it because I'm still upset about it.

00:18:56.000 We need to hit this.

00:18:57.000 This was such a dishonest headline by the Daily Mail, and it was run with by other dishonest people.

00:19:02.000 Yeah.

00:19:03.000 You have a lot of experience in this.

00:19:05.000 We don't have a lot of time with you.

00:19:07.000 What did you make of the headline and the underlying evidence?

00:19:11.000 Yeah.

00:19:12.000 Nowhere in any report, in any reporting, either from the government, the ATF, or any of the filings from the state of Utah, does it say anything.

00:19:21.000 Does not match.

00:19:22.000 And I spent most of my adult life prosecuting violent crimes that includes homicides.

00:19:27.000 Most of those homicides involve firearms.

00:19:29.000 So ATF ballistics reports, what we call firearms and tool marking reports, I've seen hundreds of them.

00:19:36.000 And I can tell you that when it says unable to identify, which is all the report says, that does not equal, nor is that term the equivalent of, does not match.

00:19:49.000 Unable to identify is describing.

00:19:52.000 The rifling characteristics on the fragmented round that was found in Charlie Kirk's body.

00:19:58.000 And what that means, so inside of every long gun in the barrel, there's, you see those little stripes, that's rifling.

00:20:05.000 Those impressions are made upon the round when it is fired.

00:20:09.000 And because of the way it tumbles sometimes when it hits a person or a wall or whatever it might be, they're unable, ATF, the forensic experts, and they are the absolute best in the world at this through their NIBIN system and through their correlation system.

00:20:28.000 Of finding out, even if there's just a little bit, whether or not the rifling matches the actual rifle.

00:20:34.000 But there's two things in every firearm and tool mark report the rifling, which they were unable to identify it because it was so degraded, the round that was found, but also the caliber class of that round, which is almost always determinable.

00:20:51.000 Now, what that is, is the projectile, it's round at the base, and the diameter of that is the class of the caliber.

00:21:00.000 Now, the rifle that we found was a 30-odd six, which fires a 30 caliber class round.

00:21:07.000 And what was missing from the defense counsel's motion and his mouth, or her mouth rather, is what caliber class that round was.

00:21:17.000 I will bet all the money in my pocket against all the money in yours, Andrew, that the ATF report describes this round as a 30 caliber class round.

00:21:28.000 There's only a couple of rifles that fire that type of round.

00:21:33.000 If it was a 22, let's say, caliber class, Class, which would be a 5.56 or 2.23 round, so like an M16, that would have been what they led with because it couldn't have been the 30 yacht six.

00:21:44.000 It doesn't fire a 2.23 or a 5.56 round.

00:21:48.000 So, Jay, yeah, go ahead.

00:21:49.000 Yeah, let's pick at that.

00:21:50.000 So, you're saying really what we need to look at is not so much what the defense says, it's what they're not saying.

00:21:55.000 It's the dog that didn't bark here.

00:21:57.000 That's exactly right.

00:21:59.000 And the defense lawyer knows that.

00:22:00.000 The defense lawyer with this motion, they're buying time.

00:22:04.000 As someone who's tried capital murders, I can tell you that.

00:22:07.000 You know, time is your friend.

00:22:10.000 The longer these things drag out for the family, for the state, for the witnesses, the better your case as a defendant gets.

00:22:16.000 Now, I will say there is a mountain.

00:22:19.000 Before coming on the show today, I reread the indictment against Tyler Robinson.

00:22:23.000 There is just in that, and I would suggest to everyone that there is another mountain of evidence that has not been disclosed and is not public yet.

00:22:32.000 Like, for instance, that this is a.30 caliber class round that was found in Charlie Kirk.

00:22:37.000 But there is a mountain of evidence.

00:22:38.000 Admissions from Tyler Robinson to his roommate, to his mother, to his father.

00:22:43.000 There's a piece of paper with an admission on it where he texted his roommate to look under the keyboard.

00:22:48.000 His DNA is on the spent cartridge.

00:22:50.000 Remember, there was one shot fired and there was no shell casing found at the scene.

00:22:54.000 That suggests a bolt action rifle.

00:22:56.000 You know what was found also at the scene?

00:22:58.000 A 30 yacht 6 Mauser 98 bolt action rifle.

00:23:02.000 His DNA is on that rifle.

00:23:04.000 All the spent rounds, or the one spent round, two of the three shell cartridges.

00:23:09.000 There's CCTV footage.

00:23:11.000 Showing his ingress and egress to his firing spot on the roof.

00:23:16.000 And guess who recognized him?

00:23:17.000 His mother and his father.

00:23:21.000 There's not another shooter.

00:23:22.000 There's not another gun.

00:23:24.000 There's not another person culpable or guilty of the murder of Charlie Kirk.

00:23:29.000 It's Tyler Robinson.

00:23:30.000 He's sitting in a Utah jail waiting trial right now.

00:23:34.000 Yeah, I mean, I just, I, I, what your insight here is, I think, really important, Jay, that it's what the defense did not say in that motion.

00:23:44.000 They did not contend the caliber of the round, which is something.

00:23:50.000 That's a huge, huge, and I didn't even have eyes to see that I needed to look for that.

00:23:55.000 You saw that because you've read so many of these motions over the years and read so many of these ATF reports that you instantly knew that if they had, if the defense knew that it was a different round based on the ATF report, which we haven't read, that, They would have led with that.

00:24:10.000 That would have been their first point that they made in that motion.

00:24:13.000 They didn't, which means they sort of, by omission, admitting that it's a.30 caliber.

00:24:18.000 Absolutely, by omission.

00:24:20.000 It is, as you said, it's by what they did not say.

00:24:24.000 And the reason they didn't say it is because they know that that is in the report.

00:24:28.000 It would be otherwise very, very useful exculpatory evidence.

00:24:31.000 But since it is in the report, it directly matches, to use the media's term anyway, by the way, unable to identify and does not match.

00:24:40.000 Once again, do not mean the same thing.

00:24:42.000 But it wouldn't match.

00:24:44.000 If it was a.22 caliber.

00:24:45.000 But you know what?

00:24:46.000 It does because it's a.30 caliber.

00:24:48.000 And I'll tell you this too.

00:24:50.000 I can't tell you how many murders I've prosecuted or assaults involving a firearm where we couldn't identify the rifling because the round was so degraded that we were able to examine.

00:25:02.000 It's very common.

00:25:04.000 Like I said, the ATF is the absolute best in the world at identifying rifling characteristics and also examining for the caliber class.

00:25:13.000 And they always get it right.

00:25:15.000 And so the defense lawyer mentioned that they might use the ATF report as an exculpatory evidence.

00:25:21.000 Go ahead, knock yourself out because we'll throw an expert on the stand, we being the good guys, that says, no, this is the exact type of round that is used in that Mauser 98 bolt action 30 yacht 6 rifle.

00:25:35.000 It's the same kind.

00:25:37.000 And how many rounds were fired?

00:25:38.000 One.

00:25:39.000 How many spent shell casings were found?

00:25:41.000 One.

00:25:41.000 Was his DNA on that spent shell casing?

00:25:43.000 Yes.

00:25:44.000 I mean, it is overwhelming evidence, and his intent.

00:25:49.000 Is overwhelming too that he intended to kill Charlie Kirk that fateful day.

00:25:56.000 Why would the defense want to drag this out?

00:25:59.000 Dive into that more.

00:26:00.000 You said that's their goal, is really to delay.

00:26:02.000 Are they trying to spread conspiracy?

00:26:07.000 They must be aware of the conspiracy culture that's emerged.

00:26:10.000 Are they trying to play into that to potentially taint the jury?

00:26:13.000 Would that be a motive that you could divine from this?

00:26:16.000 Sure.

00:26:17.000 I mean, so part of it is the delay, you know, because, okay, we need our expert now, and that's going to take six months to a year, and this is all to drag it out.

00:26:25.000 That's part of it.

00:26:28.000 I mean, the trial date could get moved, obviously, and onward and so forth.

00:26:33.000 But they're aware of the conspiracy theorists, the whack jobs that are on the internet, and even in print media with a headline that says does not match.

00:26:41.000 That was all over.

00:26:42.000 It was USA Today, it was others.

00:26:44.000 They were just wrong.

00:26:45.000 As dishonest as it is, it's just factually and forensically incorrect to make that statement that it does not match.

00:26:53.000 It shows how little the left knows or the people twisting their mustache know about firearms, right?

00:26:58.000 Especially about firearms and tool marking tests at the ATF.

00:27:01.000 Provides.

00:27:02.000 So I'm sure they're willing to, you know, my experience is they're absolutely willing to taint the jury pool with this sort of cast of little bits of doubt here and there.

00:27:15.000 So that, you know, that when 12 people are sitting in the box, it actually might go their way with one of those people.

00:27:21.000 But as soon as it comes out, hopefully the state will file something soon that will mention the.30 caliber class of this particular fragmented round, so that we can, you can have me back on.

00:27:34.000 And you'll owe me all the money in your pocket, Andrew, because I will have been.

00:27:37.000 I'm not betting against you, Jay.

00:27:40.000 The ATF will have been proven correct, and also the professionals that they are.

00:27:44.000 Yeah, Jay, thank you so much for.

00:27:46.000 I think that was such an important insight.

00:27:48.000 And again, we're not rushing to judgment here.

00:27:50.000 We want the legal process to play out.

00:27:52.000 This is the system we have.

00:27:53.000 And I fully expect Tyler Robinson's defense to mount a rigorous defense.

00:27:58.000 That's what they're supposed to do.

00:27:59.000 So, Jay Town, thank you so much.

00:28:01.000 This was great.

00:28:02.000 Really, really important insight.

00:28:03.000 And we will have you back on.

00:28:05.000 You have quite the resume.

00:28:07.000 Thank you, sir.

00:28:07.000 Thank you.

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00:29:09.000 We have some breaking news here, really quick.

00:29:14.000 Fox is reporting that Pam Bondi has already been fired as Attorney General.

00:29:20.000 Cabinet official teed up as replacement, according to sources.

00:29:24.000 EPA Director Lee Zeldin is reportedly being considered as Bondi's replacement after a White House meeting Tuesday.

00:29:33.000 So that's.

00:29:34.000 That's breaking.

00:29:35.000 We got about 40 emails in five minutes, I think, just after we asked what people thought.

00:29:42.000 Just filled up the entire Gmail screen.

00:29:45.000 So clearly inspired a lot of passion.

00:29:48.000 We know a lot of people.

00:29:49.000 And I couldn't read all of them, but it looks like a lot of people did want Bondi to go.

00:29:54.000 Yeah.

00:29:55.000 All right.

00:29:55.000 Our next guest is ready.

00:29:56.000 I want to get to it.

00:29:57.000 Scott Kupor.

00:29:59.000 He's the Office of Personnel Management Director.

00:30:02.000 And they have a big new initiative.

00:30:04.000 It feels very central to the mission of this show and to the mission of Turning Point.

00:30:08.000 So I wanted to make some time.

00:30:10.000 Scott, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:30:12.000 Hey, thanks for having me.

00:30:13.000 Really great to be here.

00:30:14.000 Yeah, so you guys have this huge new initiative at the Office of Personnel Management, hiring Gen Z.

00:30:22.000 And I think it's absolutely the right message to send.

00:30:25.000 So tell us about this, please.

00:30:26.000 Yeah, no, and we're thankful to have the opportunity to talk to you about it because obviously you all are the leaders here in terms of this audience.

00:30:32.000 So let me just give you the background real fast.

00:30:34.000 So about 7% of the federal workforce is under the age of 30.

00:30:39.000 And if you look at the workforce more generally, that's about 22, 23%.

00:30:43.000 So by a factor of about 3 to 1, The very simple way to say it is the federal government has done a very poor job of attracting young people to decide to spend some time and commit some public service and do some good for the country.

00:30:54.000 So, what we've done is launched a new program where we're coordinating with all the agencies across government.

00:30:59.000 And we've put out a call, a centralized call for anybody who is interested in.

00:31:05.000 We're starting with five career areas technology roles, human resources, financial services, program management, and then contracting and procurement.

00:31:14.000 These are jobs that are well distributed across all the agencies in government.

00:31:18.000 And we're about to kick off a very broad recruiting effort.

00:31:21.000 And, you know, your leadership here is fantastic.

00:31:24.000 In fact, you may know this, but we're going to actually have a presence tonight at the event that you're hosting at George Washington University at 6 30 tonight.

00:31:31.000 So, for anybody who's in the DC area and is interested in being patriotic and helping support the government and all the wonderful work that we're doing, please come see us.

00:31:39.000 Well, this is amazing.

00:31:40.000 So, I think, you know, I don't know what the rules are.

00:31:44.000 So, I'm not trying to break any rules, but I would love to get you a bunch of graduating seniors, their CVs over to the To the Office of Personnel Management.

00:31:53.000 I think this is amazing.

00:31:54.000 And I'm sure.

00:31:56.000 Yeah, you send them to us and we'll take care of them.

00:31:58.000 Hey, listen, they got to meet the mark just like everybody else.

00:32:02.000 Of course.

00:32:03.000 They got to have excellence and merit and all that stuff.

00:32:05.000 I'm not asking for special favors, but I know a bunch of graduating seniors that I'm sure would be looking for some jobs and could be a great fit for this administration.

00:32:15.000 So that's amazing.

00:32:16.000 Go over, drill down just a little bit further in the areas that you're looking for.

00:32:23.000 To fill these positions.

00:32:25.000 And any idea of how many positions we're looking to?

00:32:27.000 Because obviously, I'll be honest, I'm a little bit biased.

00:32:30.000 I want to see the federal workforce numbers decrease.

00:32:34.000 As do I, by the way.

00:32:35.000 As do I.

00:32:35.000 Yeah.

00:32:35.000 So let me give you perspective, though, on how that works.

00:32:37.000 You thread that needle.

00:32:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:39.000 All right, let me frame it here to make sure you don't think we're going crazy.

00:32:42.000 So I mentioned that only 7% of the workforce today is under the age of 30, and that's well under indexed.

00:32:49.000 On the other side of the federal workforce, close to half of our population is over the age of 50, and so will likely retire over the next 5, 10, 15 years.

00:32:57.000 So, while I agree with you, I'm a small government, but I think I'm probably not a no government person.

00:33:03.000 So, we actually will need some people to do the jobs of the American people.

00:33:07.000 So, part of this is we've got to solve this demographic imbalance problem, right?

00:33:11.000 We just have a pending problem that we got to solve.

00:33:14.000 The second thing we're trying to solve here is look, we just need people who've got skills that are representative in kind of this generation of talent.

00:33:21.000 So, I'll give you an example on the technology side there's a tremendous amount of modernization efforts that we're doing in the government.

00:33:27.000 So, we launched something called Tech Force fairly recently.

00:33:32.000 And Tech Force is part of this early career program, but it's specific to obviously technology jobs.

00:33:36.000 And we need people who understand modern software development, who understand AI technologies, who understand data science.

00:33:42.000 So those are specific areas where, quite frankly, that skill gap is preventing the government from being able to do the things that we need to do to modernize.

00:33:49.000 And look, as you well know, modernization is the key towards efficiency.

00:33:53.000 So if we actually modernize and use technology where appropriate, then we will have a much more efficient government that will be able to actually do the work of the American people.

00:34:02.000 Without quite frankly bankrupting my kids or grandkids, and certainly the generation that I know you talk to quite a bit.

00:34:08.000 So that's one big area is technology.

00:34:10.000 The other area is there's a bunch of jobs that just lend themselves well to people who need to be trained.

00:34:15.000 So there are a ton of HR related jobs in government, so human resources.

00:34:19.000 There's a ton of financial analyst jobs.

00:34:21.000 And these are all roles where we can take people who are smart people.

00:34:25.000 Many of them are coming out of college.

00:34:26.000 And by the way, you mentioned college.

00:34:27.000 I just want to make sure you understand it's okay if people don't go to college.

00:34:31.000 So one of the things that this administration is doing is we're eliminating college degree requirements.

00:34:36.000 For almost every job classification.

00:34:38.000 Because in our mind, look, we want to hire people for the skills and the merit they have.

00:34:42.000 And, you know, it's great if they went to college.

00:34:44.000 But by the way, if they're incredibly skillful and they know what they're doing and they can perform the jobs we need, we shouldn't discriminate against them because maybe they don't have the financial means to go to college or it just didn't factor into their life plans.

00:34:55.000 So these are all kind of priorities we're working on.

00:34:57.000 Yeah.

00:34:58.000 Or like Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, his father dies and he takes over the plumbing business, blows it into a multi million dollar business, and he's an entrepreneur.

00:35:06.000 We need more of that as well.

00:35:08.000 So, we'll add graduating high school seniors to the list of CVs if they're not planning on going.

00:35:14.000 I want to really, I guess, to any young people out there, you should strongly look into applying for this because what do we all complain about as conservatives?

00:35:22.000 We complain about the fact that the deep state, the government, is full of left wing career bureaucrats who are extremely difficult to dig out.

00:35:31.000 And the way that you fix that is actually we get young people who have pro American values who are not.

00:35:38.000 Left wing barnacles, like you get them into government.

00:35:41.000 And then that is how you allow this country to perpetuate into the decades in the future.

00:35:46.000 Because as we know, once you get into government, it's hard to get you out.

00:35:46.000 Listen.

00:35:49.000 Yeah.

00:35:50.000 And so you want job security.

00:35:51.000 Here you go.

00:35:52.000 We're working on that one too, by the way.

00:35:53.000 We're working on that one.

00:35:55.000 Fair enough.

00:35:56.000 So I would just say, you know, what?

00:35:58.000 DC votes about 95 5 Democrat.

00:36:01.000 Well, let's get some turning point grads in there and make it like 90 10, you know, 85 15.

00:36:06.000 I'm going to end it here, Scott, with your guys' beautiful ad that you made for this SOT 8.

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00:37:08.000 Scott, beautiful piece.

00:37:09.000 Thank you for coming on.

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00:38:33.000 We have Dr. Gad Sad for the entire hour.

00:38:37.000 And he is one of my favorite public intellectuals.

00:38:41.000 He was one of Charlie's favorite public intellectuals.

00:38:44.000 He has so much insight to bring to bear that we needed a whole hour.

00:38:49.000 So, without further ado, welcome back to the show, Dr. Sad.

00:38:53.000 What a lovely introduction.

00:38:54.000 Thank you.

00:38:55.000 And I just posted on X, but it's worth maybe repeating here live that today is the first day of Passover.

00:39:01.000 And I thought it was particularly apropos.

00:39:05.000 To take this high Jewish holiday and come on the show to honor Charlie. 0.94

00:39:11.000 Charlie, you live on in our hearts and minds.

00:39:14.000 Amen.

00:39:15.000 Yeah.

00:39:15.000 We actually played a clip, and it'll air tomorrow, actually.

00:39:21.000 But Charlie reflecting on how Easter and Passover always overlap and what an important season this is for Christians and Jews.

00:39:31.000 So it's great to have you, sir.

00:39:32.000 There's so much suicidal empathy going on.

00:39:35.000 Let me give you your proper dues here.

00:39:37.000 Dr. Gadsad, you are the scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom.

00:39:44.000 For a Lebanese born man, that is quite the.

00:39:47.000 Quite the jump, but you do love this country.

00:39:50.000 You love American freedom.

00:39:51.000 You love the West.

00:39:52.000 And that's at the University of Mississippi.

00:39:54.000 You are also, you have a forthcoming book, The Suicidal Empathy.

00:40:00.000 And I just love the cover.

00:40:02.000 If you guys could throw this up.

00:40:03.000 Yeah.

00:40:05.000 You got the sheep on there, Free the Wolves.

00:40:09.000 Dying to be kind.

00:40:11.000 It's kind of a take on the, you know, I guess the Chick fil A, you know, where they're always trying to say, you know, the cow take, you know, eat the cows.

00:40:21.000 Anyway, so this is actually the cow saying eat more chicken.

00:40:24.000 So.

00:40:25.000 Anyways, it's a great cover there.

00:40:27.000 And we've been hearing about you writing this book for some time.

00:40:30.000 So, when does it come out so people can pre order?

00:40:33.000 Let's just start there, Dr. Sed.

00:40:34.000 Thank you so much.

00:40:36.000 May 12th, 2026.

00:40:37.000 So, in about six weeks.

00:40:39.000 But if I can just engage in some shameless plugging, it's really important if you can actually pre order the book.

00:40:45.000 Because what happens is that all the amassed pre orders, then when the book is released, they all count as sales on that first day.

00:40:53.000 So, if the book can immediately hit the bestseller list, Then that becomes an avalanche.

00:40:59.000 So, please, if you're interested in this topic, go out and pre order it ASAP.

00:41:03.000 So there are, yeah, go buy the book.

00:41:06.000 It's really important.

00:41:07.000 I think it is the key to understanding the future of the West.

00:41:12.000 Are we going to survive as we currently are constructed, as we currently understand ourselves, or are we going to commit cultural suicide? 0.89

00:41:19.000 I think the first topic, there's so many to get to Islamification, there's energy policy, there's cultural issues, spiritual issues.

00:41:27.000 I think Islamification's got to be the first. 1.00

00:41:29.000 Well, hold on.

00:41:31.000 I mean, we'll get there because we have to get there because.

00:41:35.000 Just because of his own biography, Dr. Sad's biography out of Lebanon and what's happened in that country.

00:41:40.000 But I have to start with my personal pet favorite, which is birthright citizenship, which I believe is a suicide pact that a country would make, especially in this day and age of air travel that the founders and the drafters of the 14th Amendment would have never conceived.

00:41:57.000 They couldn't have conceived of jets that could fly from South Africa direct to Los Angeles.

00:42:02.000 They wouldn't have.

00:42:03.000 But here's the thing it is a suicide pact, a Trojan horse.

00:42:07.000 Where we now have to, our own laws bind us to, our own constitution binds us to letting in CCP spies that can then determine an election.

00:42:16.000 If they get millions of voters that live in China but can vote in America, why strike us militarily if we just are letting them in the front door? 0.99

00:42:24.000 What is your take on birthright?

00:42:26.000 I mean, I couldn't agree with you more.

00:42:27.000 Of course, the old maxim, demography is destiny, is exactly what you're alluding to.

00:42:34.000 And to your earlier point, when you kindly introduced me as a scholar at Ole Miss, and you said, you know, here's the Lebanese guy who's defending American freedoms, the American spirit is enshrined within the DNA of our value systems, right?

00:42:49.000 It's not the fact that you're born in the United States through, you know, the birthright nonsense that makes you American.

00:42:56.000 It's whether You've internalized a set of values and of codes that uniquely defines American exceptionalism.

00:43:05.000 And so, even though I'm not born in the United States, even though I'm officially now Canadian, I venture to say that I'm a lot more of an American than people who just come to the US, plop down a kid, and then voila, he becomes American. 0.51

00:43:20.000 So, I couldn't be more in agreement with you.

00:43:23.000 And the quicker that they, meaning the United States, changes that law, The better it'll be for everyone.

00:43:29.000 Yeah, and I try not to do this, but I did just tweet out something that I think is central.

00:43:35.000 I didn't come up with this idea, but we had Molly Hemingway and Sean Davis from the Federalists, and we were talking with them.

00:43:42.000 And I just said, No great nation would allow a loophole that allows communist birth tourists to vote in its election and bestow citizenship on the children of those who broke the nation's law to enter the country in the first place. 0.84

00:43:54.000 No great nation would allow themselves to get played like that. 0.98

00:43:58.000 And I just, the fact that the legal scholars are telling me it's probably going to go 7 2 against getting rid of this ridiculous policy that the entire rest of the world seemed to have gotten rid of by about 2005, it breaks my heart because I feel grieved internally that we would be so dumb, that we would be so hamstrung by idiocy. 0.97

00:44:21.000 You know, at least the Greeks, when they were letting in the Trojan horse, they didn't know what was inside of it. 0.96

00:44:25.000 We know what's inside of this Trojan horse.

00:44:27.000 And I had my own take, which is really the bleak thing.

00:44:30.000 If the Supreme Court rules that way, Okay, you know, we don't know the full law. 0.61

00:44:34.000 Maybe there's some dumb reason they can justify it.

00:44:36.000 But okay, it should be pretty simple to change the law to have a Congress that says, oh, Chinese oligarchs don't get to just buy kids from America and they're citizens. 1.00

00:44:45.000 Tourists can't just sail a boat 10 miles offshore, drop a kid on that boat, and they're a citizen for life.

00:44:50.000 Like, that's an absurd thing.

00:44:52.000 And our Congress should be ready to ban it.

00:44:54.000 And I think this gets back to your big point it's suicidal empathy that makes us refuse to do this obvious thing.

00:45:01.000 Yeah, indeed.

00:45:02.000 And if, I'm sorry.

00:45:03.000 Go ahead.

00:45:03.000 No, go ahead, Dr. Saad.

00:45:04.000 I was going to say, and I don't, maybe you're not ready to segue into the Islam issue, but it really is relevant to what we're talking about here, where you sort of become impotent to implement, you know, auto corrective mechanisms that are complete common sense, right? 0.97

00:45:18.000 So I often hear from esteemed American lawyers, hey, Professor Saad, Dr. Saad, I completely get your story with Islam, but, you know, unfortunately, we have freedom of religion here. 0.98

00:45:30.000 And I say, really?

00:45:31.000 So you actually think.

00:45:33.000 That there is no mechanism that you could come up with that would then auto correct the fact that not all religions are equally congruent with the foundational ethos of the United States, right? 0.99

00:45:48.000 So, and I often do this satirical, you know, dialogue where I say, you know, some guy, some immigrant from that region says, I want to kill you, I want to rape you, I want to destroy your heritage, I want to destroy your religion, I want to destroy your culture. 0.99

00:46:02.000 And then some American lawyer says, Hey, you're not allowed to say that. 0.99

00:46:05.000 That's incitement to violence.

00:46:07.000 And then the noble immigrant responds, No, but that's in my religion.

00:46:11.000 I have freedom of religion.

00:46:12.000 Oh, okay, sorry, carry on.

00:46:14.000 So it really is an astounding form of impotent suicidal empathy to say that we are somehow hamstrung, as you said, by these codes that could never be, they're inerrant and they could never be changed.

00:46:27.000 And if it has to be that we commit civilizational seppuku, so be it. 0.98

00:46:33.000 Jeez.

00:46:34.000 Oh, the way you said it.

00:46:36.000 Yeah, it feels like we get stuck in these ideological cul de sacs because of the myths that we've told ourselves.

00:46:43.000 One of the myths, I believe, is that we are a nation of immigrants.

00:46:46.000 And I want to get into that history because we're actually a nation of settlers, in my opinion.

00:46:51.000 You could disagree with me, Dr. Sad.

00:46:53.000 That includes immigrants waves when it makes sense for us. 1.00

00:46:57.000 And then we're able to stop it when it stops making sense for us.

00:46:59.000 Dr. Sad, for those who don't know your bio, just really quickly give us your bio in about two minutes.

00:47:07.000 So, I was born in the 1960s in Lebanon.

00:47:10.000 We were part of the last very small, dwindling group of Lebanese Jews that had steadfastly refused to leave Lebanon, perhaps wrongly so.

00:47:19.000 When the civil war broke out in 1975, it became impossible to be Jewish.

00:47:24.000 So, we ended up leaving Lebanon miraculously. 0.99

00:47:28.000 We made it out of there.

00:47:29.000 On one of their return trips to Lebanon to deal with some of their business interests, my parents were kidnapped by Abu Nidal's group Fatah.

00:47:38.000 And so all of the things that you've seen since October 7th is stuff that is called my childhood.

00:47:43.000 And eventually we made it to Canada.

00:47:45.000 And then, of course, I went to study in the United States and never thought that I would be facing the Jew hatred that I now see on a daily basis all over the place.

00:47:54.000 So that's sort of my personal history.

00:47:56.000 My academic history, I've been a professor for 32 years.

00:48:00.000 My main area is to apply evolutionary psychology to study human behavior in general and consumer behavior in particular.

00:48:08.000 I realized very quickly that academia was laden with insane parasitic ideas.

00:48:14.000 That's what led me to write The Parasitic Mind.

00:48:17.000 But that book explained what happens to your mind when it is parasitized by ideological capture.

00:48:23.000 Suicidal Empathy completes the story by explaining what happens to your emotional system when it is hijacked.

00:48:29.000 If I can hijack your thinking and feeling system, I own you.

00:48:34.000 And, you know, I think that I did not know that about your parents, by the way, Dr. Said.

00:48:39.000 Oh, you didn't know that, huh?

00:48:40.000 No, I didn't.

00:48:41.000 I didn't realize that.

00:48:42.000 I knew that you had fled Lebanon.

00:48:45.000 For some reason, you ended up in Canada, which was unfortunate.

00:48:50.000 I'm sorry.

00:48:51.000 But if anybody's going to understand the parasitic mind, it would be somebody who's lived in Canada and suicidal empathy.

00:48:58.000 We played the clip yesterday on the show and just had so much fun with it of that.

00:49:02.000 What's the name of the party?

00:49:04.000 It's this far left party.

00:49:05.000 Oh, they are.

00:49:05.000 The New Democratic Party.

00:49:06.000 Yeah.

00:49:07.000 The Democratic Party.

00:49:07.000 They were talking about their equity cards and their point of personal privilege.

00:49:11.000 I just.

00:49:12.000 I couldn't, man.

00:49:13.000 It's, it's, but Blake made a great point.

00:49:16.000 It's laughable, it's cartoonish, it's fun to make fun of, but boy, oh boy, is that serious stuff.

00:49:21.000 It's serious stuff because it's one step away from Gen Z adopting a lot of that stuff and being mainstreamed in America, too.

00:49:29.000 All right, Dr. Sad, I'm going to tell you what I believe.

00:49:32.000 I think Blake agrees with me, but it's okay if you don't completely.

00:49:35.000 If you go back through America's history, we had this huge immigration wave between the 1880s and about 1920.

00:49:42.000 And they set the, in the 1920s, they had an immigration act with a quota system that was overturned by Hart Seller in the 1960s.

00:49:50.000 The people that fought in the 1920s for that immigration quota system did not consider America to be a nation of immigrants.

00:49:59.000 It was a myth that was created after World War II to bring everybody together in this wave of Polish and Irish and Italian immigrants.

00:50:08.000 But before that, they did not want this new wave of Eastern and Southern Europeans because they were too Catholic or the culture, they weren't Anglo enough or whatever. 0.69

00:50:17.000 We were a nation of settlers.

00:50:18.000 And the people that warned then about this new wave of immigrants had a point because it then embedded this idea that we're a nation of immigrants and that we sort of have what's the word, the expression? 0.97

00:50:32.000 The blank slate, right?

00:50:34.000 This blank slate of humanity. 0.91

00:50:36.000 It doesn't matter if you're Muslim. 1.00

00:50:37.000 It doesn't matter if you come from the third world.

00:50:39.000 You'll be an American just as a piece of paper. 1.00

00:50:42.000 I hate this myth.

00:50:43.000 I want to destroy this myth.

00:50:45.000 And I'm saying it to a Lebanese man who I believe is like fully American at this point.

00:50:49.000 So help me make sense of this.

00:50:51.000 What are your thoughts on the history that we just went through?

00:50:55.000 Well, I completely agree with you, actually.

00:50:57.000 Look, in suicidal empathy, I talk about this classic categorization error that.

00:51:03.000 Frankly, if you have greater cognitive acuity than a three day old pigeon, you should be able to not be committing this error.

00:51:11.000 And let me explain what it is.

00:51:14.000 Your cat Fido is a feline.

00:51:16.000 So is the wild lion in the jungle who would happily eat you.

00:51:21.000 They're both called feline.

00:51:23.000 The fact that they're both feline doesn't mean that when I'm on a safari in Botswana and I see a feline, I say, oh, let me get out of my jeep so I can cuddle with the wild lion because he's a feline, just like the cat I have at home.

00:51:37.000 So But when you say all immigrants are equal in the way that the progressively suicidally empathetic people do, they're saying that there is no inherent differences between the values that might come with one set of immigrants versus another. 0.99

00:51:53.000 And I will receive tons of hate mail, gentlemen, where people say, Well, you are such a degenerate hypocrite. 1.00

00:52:00.000 You are an immigrant. 1.00

00:52:02.000 So is your buddy Elon Musk.

00:52:04.000 So you are immigrants who can come here, but Muhammad and Ahmad, who went to a summer camp in Afghanistan, can't also be.

00:52:12.000 Perfectly nice Arkansas immigrants, but that's what the categorization error is, right?

00:52:18.000 When you say all immigrants are equal, you're simply saying that once they become members of the host society, they're treated equally under the law.

00:52:26.000 But the idea that we all come with the exact same baggage, to your point about the Latin term, by the way, for empty slate is tabula rasa.

00:52:36.000 We're not tabula rasa, right?

00:52:37.000 So it's not surprising, for example, if you let in millions of people that come from societies.

00:52:43.000 Where they've been surveyed and shown to have 95, 96% of those surveyed have endemic Jew hatred.

00:52:51.000 So when these people come to the host societies, what do you think is going to happen?

00:52:55.000 Is Jew hatred going to go up or going or it's going to go down?

00:52:58.000 And so all the politicians are scratching their head and saying, What's causing all this Jew hatred?

00:53:03.000 Well, maybe because you've imported millions of people that have a genocidal hatred toward the Jews.

00:53:08.000 Well, novel thought.

00:53:09.000 Novel thought.

00:53:10.000 It's also, you know what bothers me about this whole thing?

00:53:13.000 I am sort of like, A product of this tabula rasa ideology.

00:53:20.000 Because I remember growing up being very much brainwashed into thinking that everybody's the same and there is no differences.

00:53:32.000 You hear these things like 99.85% of your DNA is the same as somebody.

00:53:37.000 Nobody's arguing any of that.

00:53:39.000 Everybody is made in the image and likeness of God.

00:53:41.000 Everybody has dignity before the eyes of the Creator and equality in our laws.

00:53:46.000 But it's also common sense. 0.81

00:53:48.000 Once you break the The parasite in the brain. 0.99

00:53:51.000 Like, once you break through and you get red pilled or whatever you want to call it, it's so frustrating how stupidly common sense this is. 0.96

00:54:00.000 And this is one of the reasons why, you know, people are talking about MAGA and the coalition fracturing.

00:54:06.000 I will always have respect for President Trump because of one thing.

00:54:09.000 I have a lot of respect for President Trump.

00:54:11.000 But one thing, he came down that golden escalator and he just started throwing bombs about stuff that was these pieties you were not allowed to.

00:54:20.000 Address. 0.81

00:54:21.000 He called dumb wars dumb wars.

00:54:23.000 God bless him for that.

00:54:24.000 Before that, we weren't allowed to talk about it.

00:54:26.000 He called free trade, he said it was ripping off America and it was hollowing out our manufacturing base.

00:54:32.000 He was right about that.

00:54:33.000 These were pieties you were not allowed to address.

00:54:35.000 And then he said, they're sending rapists and murders over here.

00:54:39.000 And I suppose some are nice people.

00:54:41.000 You were not allowed to say that stuff.

00:54:43.000 And I remember jumping for joy because at that point I'd become completely convinced our immigration policies were just insanity.

00:54:49.000 Jumping for joy that he had the guts to say it.

00:54:52.000 And that was the first step.

00:54:54.000 One minute left.

00:54:55.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:56.000 Let me just mention very quickly about the sort of the tabla rasa premise.

00:55:00.000 The reason why that parasitic idea is so ubiquitous everywhere, so pervasive, is because it is rooted in a form of unicornia hope, right?

00:55:12.000 It is really nice for me as a prospective parent to think that when my child is born, he or she could be the next Lionel Messi, Michael Jordan, or Albert Einstein.

00:55:22.000 It's nice to know that there are no, quote, innate.

00:55:26.000 Individual differences in biological potentiality, right?

00:55:29.000 We could all be the next Michael Jordan if only we're hugged enough or not hugged enough.

00:55:34.000 So, the reason why these parasitic ideas work so well is because they cater to this fundamental unicornia optimism that most of us carry, especially in America.

00:55:45.000 I will say, you know, we and this is why I think our foundational myths it's the software that's running in the background of our brains that we think are these eternal truths, but actually, they're myths.

00:55:57.000 Like America is a nation of immigrants. 0.98

00:56:00.000 Well, we have immigrants, but we're actually a nation that was founded by settlers, okay?

00:56:06.000 That's a core myth that we have to deconstruct.

00:56:09.000 And Tablo Rasa is another one.

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00:58:48.000 All right, Dr. Sad, this is the Charlie Kirk show, so we're going to play a clip from you and Charlie.

00:58:55.000 Sat 9.

00:58:56.000 Islam is all about power, and leftism is all about power. 1.00

00:59:00.000 Maybe that's also what they have in common.

00:59:02.000 Exactly.

00:59:03.000 They both despise the West.

00:59:05.000 So because we both despise the West, we will join in unison in trying to get rid of the West. 0.98

00:59:11.000 But of course, the leftists don't recognize that once Islam becomes ascendant, they will be decapitated just like the rest of us. 0.99

00:59:22.000 That is a decapitated. 0.98

00:59:26.000 That's why Charlie liked you.

00:59:27.000 You had that frank way of talking.

00:59:30.000 He liked to quote, I think you, the West.

00:59:33.000 Islam sees the West as a woman to be. 0.96

00:59:36.000 We have that clip.

00:59:37.000 We should play it then.

00:59:37.000 Let's play it out.

00:59:38.000 Sat Ted.

00:59:38.000 All right.

00:59:39.000 What would you say the West is a woman to be mounted? 0.98

00:59:42.000 That is the Islamic creed.

00:59:44.000 Remind us of it.

00:59:45.000 I would repeatedly hear from Arabic speaking, Muslim speaking immigrants, and in this case it was in Canada, always say that. 0.94

00:59:54.000 The West is a woman to be mounted. 1.00

00:59:57.000 And what the reflex that that captures is that all of the virtues that we think as laudable in the West, compassion, magnanimity, generosity, empathy, are heard as weakness, weakness, weakness, and weakness by cultures that don't necessarily share our infinite largesse.

01:00:21.000 And so it's exactly what they're saying.

01:00:23.000 West is weak, it's a woman, therefore you're not. 1.00

01:00:26.000 So, I'm going to share as relating to that clip something that just happened in Quebec, my home province.

01:00:35.000 So, there was a gentleman, you ready?

01:00:38.000 Drum roll.

01:00:39.000 His first name is Mohammed.

01:00:42.000 Yes.

01:00:43.000 He was caught in many, many different clips, but the one that made it viral, he was caught on a clip where he had been stopped by a female police officer, Montreal police officer.

01:00:58.000 Interacting with her, and the things that he was saying are exactly like to the word.

01:01:05.000 When I said, you know, the West is a woman to be mounted, so I won't repeat it here, not to soil the ears of your listeners. 1.00

01:01:12.000 But it's all about, I'm going to F this to you, I'm going to do F this to your mother, and so on and so forth.

01:01:19.000 So that's the mindset, right?

01:01:21.000 Might is right, therefore, men in those cultures, you know, are the rulers of women. 0.99

01:01:28.000 And therefore, you could imagine what that implies.

01:01:31.000 So they see the West as this feminized, weak, you know, suicidally empathetic woman that deserves to be mounted as per this Muhammad guy being stopped by the female cop. 1.00

01:01:43.000 So let's just import a few million more.

01:01:46.000 That'd be great.

01:01:48.000 Yeah, I think this all makes sense.

01:01:51.000 And by the way, the way that you're able to justify that if you're a suicidally empathetic person, and maybe we'll get into this more in later segments, is that as long as those progressive folks can identify their neighbor Ahmad, who's a very sweet guy, who's gay, who's married to a Jewish man, and who eats prosciutto and drinks vodka, that is the true representation of Islam.

01:02:16.000 So I only have to come up with one person who seems to fit in within Western liberties.

01:02:22.000 And voila, that becomes Islam. 0.97

01:02:24.000 And all of those other things that also seem to be linked to Islam are false Islam. 0.93

01:02:30.000 Ahmed, my neighbor, is the real Islam. 1.00

01:02:34.000 Yeah.

01:02:34.000 And Charlie tried to navigate that dynamic by separating micro from macro, right?

01:02:41.000 We all know Muslims that are nice people that are probably bad Muslims, though. 1.00

01:02:47.000 That's the point. 0.99

01:02:48.000 Like the Muslims that you like are probably bad Muslims. 1.00

01:02:51.000 And the Muslims that we all don't like are probably the ones that are. 1.00

01:02:55.000 It's something I like to point out to Charlie, and he listened to me on it.

01:02:58.000 It's that sometimes people would say, Islam needs a reformation, like the Protestant Reformation.

01:03:02.000 And you have to tell them, Islam did have a reformation.

01:03:06.000 It's the Salafism that you see. 0.96

01:03:07.000 It's that in the 1800s, they looked around and said, We're losing all these fights to the West.

01:03:12.000 It must be because we got away from true Islam. 1.00

01:03:14.000 Let's be super fundamentalist about it.

01:03:17.000 And that's what gave us Islamic fundamentalism. 0.97

01:03:19.000 It's not even stuff that's been around forever, they got really intense about it in the last 100, 150 years.

01:03:26.000 And this is what we see.

01:03:28.000 Slightly more optimistic than the history that I know.

01:03:31.000 You're making them seem as though they've been rough only for 100 years.

01:03:34.000 A few people would like to remind you that this has been going on for 1400 years, but I understand the spirit of what you're saying.

01:03:41.000 All right.

01:03:43.000 Dr. Sad, there are so many areas in which suicidal empathy comes into play.

01:03:49.000 Islamification is a huge one, and Blake has been doing, he's got two stories.

01:03:53.000 We've got this Michigan guy and Birmingham guy.

01:03:56.000 There's a couple very symbolic ones in the last few days, and I think they're both worthy of note.

01:04:01.000 First is they have local elections coming up in Britain.

01:04:04.000 Charlie visited Britain last spring.

01:04:06.000 He saw Arabic language, Arabic script on all the stores.

01:04:10.000 It just felt very foreign.

01:04:11.000 He felt it when he was in Oxford and Cambridge.

01:04:14.000 And now, Birmingham, not even a city he went to, but it's one of the most Islamified cities.

01:04:19.000 And just for context, Birmingham is where the Industrial Revolution was born.

01:04:23.000 It was the Silicon Valley of the 1800s.

01:04:26.000 It's where so much innovation happened.

01:04:28.000 Now, Islamified, polling for the city council election in Birmingham. 0.99

01:04:32.000 The number one party is going to be, it's not going to be a party, it's going to be an independent Islamist alliance slate.

01:04:40.000 They are favored to come in first place with 31 seats out of about 100, it looks like.

01:04:48.000 And so there'll be an Islamist party running the largest city in Britain.

01:04:53.000 It's something we haven't seen in Britain since Muhammad came out of the desert. 1.00

01:04:57.000 And the other story that's really compelling there's a Democrat Senate contender in Michigan.

01:05:03.000 He's running in the primary.

01:05:04.000 And he said they got a recording of him in the Washington Free Beacon.

01:05:10.000 He was telling voters he had to stay silent about the killing of the Ayatollah Khomeini because he says many of the Muslim voters he is interacting with in Dearborn and that area around Detroit.

01:05:22.000 Are very sad about the Ayatollah's demise.

01:05:25.000 So he's going to remain silent on that issue.

01:05:28.000 But they got that recording.

01:05:29.000 So, two very profoundly symbolic stories, I think, of what we've allowed to happen to this country, Dr. Saad.

01:05:36.000 And can I, those are great examples, of course, and they are part of something that I, if memory serves me right, I had mentioned the last time that Charlie and I spoke, which is there's been a blueprint that the Muslim Brotherhood, among other Islamic groups have been screaming for everybody to listen to from the top of the mountain. 0.50

01:05:58.000 They said, We're going to conquer the West by three means.

01:06:01.000 And the third means is related to the two examples that you gave.

01:06:05.000 So, first, we're going to conquer the West through the womb of our women, right? 0.98

01:06:10.000 Two, we're going to conquer the West through hijrah. 1.00

01:06:14.000 Hijrah is the Arabic word for migration.

01:06:16.000 Even Muhammad did hijrah from Mecca to Medina. 0.77

01:06:20.000 And so, of course, what does the West do?

01:06:21.000 Say, hey, come on in, my brothers, in the millions.

01:06:24.000 And then the third way, to your point, we're going to conquer the West by using your miserable freedoms against you.

01:06:33.000 And so, this is exactly what they're doing.

01:06:35.000 And to your earlier point, Blake, when you said it's not always violent, right?

01:06:39.000 In the 1400 years of history of Islam, not everywhere that they went to, They just decapitated everybody, right? 1.00

01:06:48.000 Sometimes it's that.

01:06:49.000 Sometimes it's by imposing very, very stringent rules on the non Muslims, forcing them to convert without putting the sword to their neck. 0.84

01:06:58.000 Sometimes it's just by letting demography take its natural toll.

01:07:01.000 So there are many ways by which you can close your eyes and open your eyes, and suddenly you went from zero Islam to 99.9% Islam. 0.97

01:07:11.000 The problem comes from the fact that most people don't have the Imagination to be able to extrapolate, right?

01:07:19.000 So, short of you being in Dearborn or in some areas in Minnesota, you think, well, come on, I live in Arkansas.

01:07:26.000 I live in Washington state.

01:07:28.000 I don't see a problem with Islam.

01:07:29.000 Well, that's because the United States is a very, very large country.

01:07:33.000 So, it's going to take many hundreds of years before you see Dearborn repeated everywhere.

01:07:38.000 But if you allow it to happen, I will guarantee you, inshallah, that it will happen.

01:07:44.000 The Birmingham folks are now finding out.

01:07:46.000 I mean, people are, as you say, really, they're not good at visualizing the numbers.

01:07:51.000 I think often on an exchange I had when I was way up the Daily Caller, one of the first jobs I had, we had an employee who was from Britain.

01:07:57.000 And this is 2014, 2015.

01:08:00.000 And I'm already then raving about the Islamization of the West, about Britain. 0.95

01:08:05.000 And one time he just got exasperated at me.

01:08:07.000 He said, Blake, why do you care about this so much when they're 1% of Britain?

01:08:13.000 And I said, That's where you're wrong.

01:08:15.000 It was probably 1%.

01:08:17.000 When you were a kid, and we looked it up, and at that point, it was already five or six percent of Britain, and it was 10, 15 percent of London.

01:08:26.000 And how much has it moved then in the decades since when they've kept moving in?

01:08:31.000 They've had high birth rates, Britain's haven't had high birth rates.

01:08:34.000 If you're having four kids each and you're having one kid, that moves very fast in a single generation, yeah.

01:08:42.000 And if I could go ahead, sorry, go ahead.

01:08:45.000 I was gonna say, and I made this analogy with Piers Morgan, but apparently, uh, You know, my logic was impenetrable to his mind.

01:08:53.000 So, take for example, diabetes.

01:08:55.000 If I say, if I am your endocrinologist and I say, hey, Sir, you have diabetes.

01:09:02.000 And then imagine if the next day you wake up and say, Look, it's been a day since I've had diabetes and nothing's happened to me.

01:09:08.000 Nobody's amputated my extremities. 0.99

01:09:11.000 That physician must be an idiot because nothing's happened to me. 1.00

01:09:14.000 Look at me. 1.00

01:09:14.000 Well, what he's saying, he or she is saying, is that there is a very known trajectory of what will happen to you in X number of time periods if you don't manage your blood sugar level. 1.00

01:09:27.000 It doesn't happen overnight.

01:09:29.000 So that's exactly the issue with demography, is destiny.

01:09:32.000 Peter Hammond, by the way, I highly recommend that people check him out.

01:09:36.000 He's a preacher, I think, out of South Africa.

01:09:38.000 He wrote a book many years ago where he broke down what happens to a society.

01:09:43.000 This was a historical analysis as a function of the percentage of Muslims that are in that society.

01:09:50.000 Zero to 2%, oh, they're just a lovely, peaceful, exotic community.

01:09:55.000 You know, three to 5%, we start being more aggressive in our political engagement, but, you know, we're still kind of peaceful.

01:10:03.000 And you could Perfectly trace what will exactly happen.

01:10:06.000 So I can show you different countries, you know, France versus Australia versus Canada, and we can put it into the Pete Hammond box to tell you exactly what's happening.

01:10:17.000 But again, that goes to the point of people are unable to extrapolate from time t to time t plus n.

01:10:25.000 If we don't solve this problem, we will wake up one day all being called Abdul.

01:10:31.000 Dr. Sad, what's the, what would the, is Pete Hammond, is that what you said his name was?

01:10:35.000 Pete Hammond.

01:10:37.000 What was the tipping point where they get really aggressive?

01:10:40.000 12%, 10%?

01:10:41.000 So, the aggressive in that you better start putting on running shoes and really run fast.

01:10:47.000 It doesn't take much.

01:10:48.000 By about 20%, you're already getting into physical violence.

01:10:54.000 So, again, that speaks to the fact that it didn't take 190 million terrorists to alter the New York City skyline.

01:11:04.000 It didn't take 190,000, it took just 19,000.

01:11:08.000 So, the idea that you need all 2 billion Muslims to sign up for violent jihad for you before you wake up from your stupor is really lacking in extrapolation imagination.

01:11:22.000 We're going to end the Islam talk here with a cut from Charlie. 0.84

01:11:27.000 Stop 15. 0.99

01:11:28.000 Islamism has a tendency to take over and metastasize like a cancer. 1.00

01:11:34.000 Immigration without assimilation is invasion, and Islam does not assimilate. 1.00

01:11:40.000 Islam conquers. 0.99

01:11:41.000 Islam takes over. 1.00

01:11:43.000 Islam devours. 1.00

01:11:46.000 Islam is an imperialistic, parasitic ideology. 1.00

01:11:50.000 Islam views itself as a conquering faith. 0.99

01:11:53.000 You have to pray five times a day, pointing towards a separate nation, pledging fealty to another nation. 0.52

01:11:59.000 Islam's own self story is that we will take you over. 0.99

01:12:02.000 It's totalitarianism masked as a religion.

01:12:07.000 Well said.

01:12:07.000 It's one of my favorite CK rants about this topic.

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01:13:11.000 All right, I want to break some news here.

01:13:14.000 So it is official Pam Bondi is out.

01:13:17.000 And it kind of will transition into the other way that suicidal empathy manifests, which is in our criminal justice system.

01:13:24.000 So let's just go ahead and get Peter Deucey's reporting from Fox News, SOT 16.

01:13:47.000 They want her to go and do something else.

01:13:50.000 And in an interim role, she will be replaced by Todd Blanch, who is currently her deputy at the Justice Department.

01:13:58.000 So, President Trump has given a truth social here, Dr. Sad.

01:14:02.000 He says, Pam Bondi is a great American patriot and a loyal friend who faithfully served as my attorney general over the past year.

01:14:07.000 Pam did a tremendous job overseeing a massive crackdown in crime across our country, with murders plummeting to their lowest level since 1900.

01:14:15.000 I'm sure that just happened.

01:14:17.000 It was just a trend.

01:14:18.000 We love Pam, and she will be transitioning to a much needed and important new job in the private sector to be announced at a date in the near future.

01:14:25.000 And our Deputy Attorney General, the very talented and respected legal mind, Todd Blanch, will step in to serve as Acting Attorney General.

01:14:31.000 Thank you for your attention to this matter.

01:14:34.000 Blake, we reported it, and it has come true once again.

01:14:38.000 We did this with Christy Nome, by the way.

01:14:41.000 Same deal.

01:14:42.000 Well, I think we had an inside scoop on this one.

01:14:44.000 This time, our scoop was semaphore.

01:14:46.000 Yeah, well, fair enough.

01:14:48.000 The other one was a better call.

01:14:49.000 Yeah.

01:14:50.000 Todd Blanch has tweeted as well.

01:14:52.000 He says, Pam Bondi led the department with strength and conviction, and I'm grateful for her leadership and friendship.

01:14:57.000 Thank you to President Trump for the trust and opportunity to serve as acting attorney general.

01:15:00.000 We will continue backing the blue, enforcing the law, and doing everything in our power to keep America safe.

01:15:05.000 Which ties in to this other.

01:15:07.000 I saw this story, Dr. Sadden.

01:15:09.000 I got enraged because I've seen people do this to Charlie as well, where people put up murals and then people take them down or they vandalize them.

01:15:16.000 And it's so infuriating to watch.

01:15:19.000 This is out of Providence, Rhode Island.

01:15:21.000 A private business erected a.

01:15:24.000 Mural to Arena Zarutska to memorialize her and her brutal murder on that train in North Carolina by a repeat criminal who should have never been on the streets.

01:15:35.000 And this mayor's trying to take it down in Providence, SOT 14.

01:15:40.000 You said the intent behind these murals is divisive and does not represent Providence.

01:15:45.000 The murals artist sort of feels like he was stifled.

01:15:48.000 Do you have any regrets about what you said and how you handled it?

01:15:51.000 I regret the state of where we are in politics today, where absolutely everything is political and controversial and hard.

01:15:59.000 There's nothing we should be doing to take away from the tragedy of the loss of life that was represented here.

01:16:04.000 But then it was distorted by an erroneous tweet by our president, and then a movement was funded by some right wing.

01:16:11.000 Billionaires, and it found its way to our community.

01:16:14.000 A private owner of a building decided to put a mural up that I don't think he understood the full context of.

01:16:20.000 And I was asked whether I thought it should come down, and I thought it should.

01:16:24.000 It certainly wasn't bringing us together as a community.

01:16:26.000 I don't think we're a stronger, more united community because of this mural, and I thought the best thing to do was to just take it down.

01:16:32.000 Dear God.

01:16:34.000 That is like the perfect encapsulation of how the left behaves.

01:16:37.000 They love to weaponize that utterly BS, unify our community.

01:16:42.000 We need to heal.

01:16:43.000 They never believe in that.

01:16:44.000 If you wanted to believe in healing, There's a simple way to do it.

01:16:47.000 You allow people to put up monuments for people they like.

01:16:49.000 So, and arrest criminals that are killing people.

01:16:52.000 Arrest criminals, and if the left, you know, if they want to put up a statue of Cesar Chavez, you know, go for it.

01:16:57.000 They love Cesar Chavez.

01:16:58.000 And then allow us to memorialize the people that are murdered by left wingers, other national heroes.

01:17:04.000 But they always love to say, we need to heal while they're ripping down a statue of a founding father, while they're blotting out a mural of an innocent woman who was butchered.

01:17:13.000 These are not statements of healing.

01:17:15.000 These are not statements of unity.

01:17:16.000 These are statements of domination.

01:17:18.000 He can only visualize the world.

01:17:19.000 For him, Unity is just, I decide what you value, what you believe, what you see.

01:17:25.000 And if you don't like it, shut up and get out of the way. 0.99

01:17:27.000 He's disgusting. 1.00

01:17:28.000 That is a perfect embodiment of suicidal empathy. 1.00

01:17:30.000 It's a weaponization of empathy.

01:17:33.000 The floor is yours, Dr. Said.

01:17:35.000 Yeah.

01:17:36.000 So I would say, though, I will address suicidal empathy as relating to soft on crime policies.

01:17:41.000 But I'm sure that this mayor would have been first in line to hail a mural of George Floyd.

01:17:49.000 That would unify the community, but not this poor, beautiful Ukrainian immigrant. 1.00

01:17:54.000 Okay, so let's link it to suicidal empathy.

01:17:57.000 Suicidal empathy really has several manifestations, one of which is the hyperactivation of empathy, right?

01:18:05.000 But the other part of suicidal empathy is when, you know, we all have a fixed tank of empathy that we could met out.

01:18:13.000 Now, evolution has endowed us with the capacity to strategically met out our empathy in biologically relevant ways.

01:18:22.000 So, if a bus is hurling down at my children or at some random strangers, notwithstanding that I would love to save everybody, I am much more likely to jump in front of the bus to protect my children, right?

01:18:34.000 Even though in a dream world, everybody should be saved.

01:18:38.000 What suicidal empathy does is it completely removes the correct targeting of who should be privy to your empathy.

01:18:48.000 So a felon, I call them, by the way, blank slate felons to our earlier point, talking about blank slate.

01:18:55.000 Felons are born perfectly lovely, and it's only society that has made them bad, especially if they are felons of color. 1.00

01:19:04.000 So they've already been victimized by the white supremacy, Of the United States to now punish them when they've only been arrested 174 times, shouldn't you be giving them a 175th second chance?

01:19:20.000 And so it removes the personal agency of these felons so that all of our empathy is targeting the criminals and not the victims.

01:19:30.000 But I'll add another twist to the criminality dimension of suicidal empathy.

01:19:35.000 Suicidal empathy is so parasitic that even the victims.

01:19:40.000 Of the crimes, feel greater empathy to their felon who victimized them than to themselves.

01:19:47.000 And I'll give you two quick examples.

01:19:49.000 Example one Norwegian man is sodomized by a Somali immigrant. 1.00

01:19:55.000 When the Somali immigrant is about to be deported back to Somalia, the guy who had been raped by the Somali guy had an existential breakdown because he felt so guilty that the Somali sodomizer was not going to get a chance to live a flourished life in Mogadishu.

01:20:14.000 That's example one.

01:20:16.000 Example two a white American woman went to Haiti to break down the stereotype that black men could be violent. 0.97

01:20:25.000 She was held up on top of a rooftop by a Haitian man who viciously raped her.

01:20:31.000 And she walked away from that lesson or from that experience with two lessons it's white supremacy that made him do this because he was so enraged by how he was victimized. 0.89

01:20:42.000 And she ended up learning from this experience. 0.91

01:20:46.000 So, when you have a guy who is sodomized and a woman who's viciously raped themselves feeling empathy for their rapist, you couldn't have a better poster child of suicidal empathy. 0.95

01:20:57.000 Jeez. 0.60

01:20:58.000 And, you know, I'm reminded of Sarah Rogers, who has those examples out of Europe.

01:21:05.000 Europe has lost its. 0.90

01:21:06.000 Yeah, you'll get a worse punishment for, you know, calling a group of gang rapists savages or whatever it was than the rapists themselves will get or pigs, something like that. 0.98

01:21:17.000 And. 0.96

01:21:19.000 It's just, it's so destructive.

01:21:21.000 I mean, we were also bashing Canada the other day, along with everything else that's happening in Canada.

01:21:25.000 Feel free.

01:21:26.000 Yeah.

01:21:26.000 I mean, Canada has, they just explicitly have racial discrimination in their laws.

01:21:32.000 They say if you are from a racialized group, because races aren't real, it's just some groups are racialized.

01:21:38.000 That's the Canada conceit.

01:21:40.000 We have a punish list for crimes.

01:21:42.000 Forgive me for interrupting you because I'm seeing the countdown.

01:21:44.000 I want to get in as many cool facts for your audience.

01:21:46.000 In Canada, the University of Waterloo, which is sort of the equivalent of Caltech or MIT.

01:21:52.000 A largely engineering computer science school was hiring Canada research chairs.

01:21:57.000 This is the highest endowed professorship that Canada has.

01:22:01.000 They wanted to hire AI professors to be competitive in AI.

01:22:05.000 And the job description said that you had to be non binary, two spirit, or transgender to hold that position.

01:22:15.000 So the Canadian government that endows this chair does not pick the best AI people.

01:22:21.000 They have to be non binary or two spirit.

01:22:24.000 Canada has stage 5 suicidal empathy.

01:22:28.000 Dr. Gad Sad, this was amazing.

01:22:32.000 He's suicidal empathy.

01:22:33.000 Please pick it up.

01:22:35.000 It's been so much fun.

01:22:36.000 Yes, I genuinely believe that this is the vaccine to save the West. 0.94

01:22:41.000 And I really mean that.

01:22:43.000 And Elon Musk agrees.

01:22:44.000 Others agree.

01:22:45.000 But thank you, Dr. Sad.

01:22:47.000 It's been awesome.

01:22:47.000 Thank you so much, guys.

01:22:48.000 You're a pleasure.

01:22:49.000 Thank you.

01:22:49.000 Cheers.

01:22:50.000 We'll talk to you soon.

01:22:55.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 02, 2026

Bondi Down + The Suicidal Death of the West ft. Dr. Gad Saad

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