The Charlie Kirk Show - Bonus Episode: Charlie's Best Immigration Debates

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00:01:10.000 I have a couple points that I want to talk about in illegal immigration.

00:01:15.000 Is it okay if I write if I say all of them with no interruption?

00:01:18.000 Okay, cool.

00:01:20.000 So, first, illegal immigrants power our economy. 1.00

00:01:22.000 They're 50% of U.S. farm workers harvesting the food on our tables and fill 70% of construction jobs in states like Texas.

00:01:30.000 They pay $13 billion annually in taxes, including $2 billion to Social Security that they can't claim.

00:01:36.000 Deporting them would slash agriculture output by $60 billion and raise food prices by 6%.

00:01:42.000 Why gut our farms and wallets when these workers fuel our prosperity? 1.00

00:01:47.000 That's my first point.

00:01:48.000 Second point, they strengthen our communities with lower crime rates.

00:01:51.000 So in Texas, undocumented immigrants have a 26 lower percent homicide conviction rates, which is 2.2 per 100,000 versus 3 for native-born citizens.

00:02:04.000 Nationally, immigrants are incarcerated at half the rate of native-born, where it's 0.85% versus 1.71%.

00:02:13.000 That's according to Bureau of Justice statistics from 2019.

00:02:17.000 So if safety is your goal, why deport people who make our streets safer?

00:02:21.000 This is my third point.

00:02:23.000 Mass deportation tears apart American families.

00:02:25.000 Over 4.4 million U.S. citizens children have an undocumented parent, and in Texas, one in seven kids lives in a mixed status household.

00:02:35.000 Okay, this is my fourth point.

00:02:37.000 Deportation is a fiscal nightmare.

00:02:40.000 Removing 11 million people would cost 315 to 400 billion, more than the entire Homeland Security budget, and shrink our GDP by 1.7 trillion over 10 years.

00:02:52.000 And this is my last point.

00:02:55.000 Our immigration system is broken, pushing people to cross illegally. 1.00

00:03:00.000 Visa waits Mexicans can exceed 20 years and the asylum blockage is 1.3 million cases with hearings four to six years out.

00:03:09.000 Okay.

00:03:10.000 That's pretty much it.

00:03:10.000 You done?

00:03:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:12.000 All right, so without looking at the phone, look at me.

00:03:14.000 What should the penalty be for breaking into America?

00:03:17.000 I think there should be a system where it's more merit-based.

00:03:19.000 So if this person...

00:03:20.000 No penalty.

00:03:20.000 So what is the penalty?

00:03:21.000 So what should happen?

00:03:22.000 Yeah, what should happen?

00:03:23.000 It's not a felony.

00:03:24.000 It's a misfortune.

00:03:24.000 No, it is.

00:03:25.000 That's not true.

00:03:25.000 It's 8 USC 1312.

00:03:26.000 You need to look it up right now.

00:03:27.000 It's a felony if it's done twice.

00:03:29.000 If you try to be correct, that is correct.

00:03:30.000 That is not correct.

00:03:31.000 I googled it, dude.

00:03:32.000 To illegally go across the southern border with the well intent to come into harbor yourself into the interior of the United States, the violation of 8 USC 1312, which is a felony in the federal criminal code.

00:03:41.000 Now, it can be enforced as a misdemeanor or it can be upwards to five years in prison.

00:03:44.000 Now, I want to know, since it's a felony, law in the books, 8 USC 1312, what should the penalty be?

00:03:50.000 Well, in my opinion, these kinds of laws are usually, they're, what do you call it?

00:04:02.000 They're, sorry.

00:04:06.000 Usually the...

00:04:10.000 Sorry.

00:04:14.000 Wait, sorry.

00:04:15.000 Can I choke my phone real quick?

00:04:16.000 I apologize.

00:04:21.000 Can you repeat the question?

00:04:22.000 Sorry.

00:04:23.000 What should the penalty be for someone that breaks or comes into America illegally?

00:04:30.000 what should the penalty be?

00:04:31.000 I think there should be a merit system where the people...

00:04:33.000 Okay, the penalty...

00:04:34.000 All right, let's...

00:04:35.000 That's not the answer.

00:04:36.000 It's a very simple moral and legal question.

00:04:38.000 What should the penalty be if you come into America illegally?

00:04:42.000 Okay, so since it's a misdemeanor, not a felony.

00:04:44.000 Misdemeanor is not a fair thing.

00:04:45.000 I just told you it's not.

00:04:47.000 You can look up on your chat GPT.

00:04:48.000 What is 8 USC?

00:04:50.000 What is 8 USC 1312?

00:04:50.000 Look up.

00:04:52.000 No, I know.

00:04:53.000 I've already looked it up.

00:04:54.000 Yes, which is 8.

00:04:55.000 When it's your second time crossing the border illegally, then it becomes a felony.

00:04:59.000 It can be, and it is, enforced as a felony, and usually is done as a misdemeanor citation because no one has the stones to do 20 million felony applications.

00:05:12.000 So I just want to ask, what should the penalty be then for someone that comes into this country illegally?

00:05:23.000 Usually there's three ways that go about this when there's a penalty.

00:05:26.000 There's either like a fine or there's some kind of like public service that this person does, or you send them back.

00:05:34.000 Send them back, I agree.

00:05:35.000 Okay, okay. 1.00

00:05:35.000 That's the only shit. 1.00

00:05:36.000 So, okay. 0.99

00:05:38.000 So this is interesting.

00:05:40.000 So one of the stats, one of the statistics that I read said that illegal immigrants don't cause as much like they don't break the law as often as people who are native born.

00:05:51.000 Hold on.

00:05:52.000 But they're all time out there.

00:05:52.000 That is statistic.

00:05:53.000 But every single one of them are criminals. 1.00

00:05:54.000 They're all criminals. 1.00

00:05:55.000 Okay, sure. 0.98

00:05:56.000 By law.

00:05:57.000 By law.

00:05:57.000 No, by law, of course.

00:05:58.000 Of course they are.

00:05:59.000 If they commit less crime and they're all criminals, by definition, they all have broken the law by being here.

00:06:07.000 And they break the law every day by staying here.

00:06:09.000 Because you're actually not allowed to stay here either.

00:06:10.000 Do you know that?

00:06:11.000 So every day you're here, you're actually continually breaking the law.

00:06:15.000 You can't break in or harbor.

00:06:16.000 That's what the federal law says.

00:06:18.000 So by breaking in, it's not just the only law they broke.

00:06:21.000 Every second you remain here, you're also breaking the law.

00:06:24.000 So that statistic is invalidated by just them breathing here, they're breaking the law.

00:06:27.000 No, of course not.

00:06:28.000 Of course not.

00:06:28.000 So of course it makes sense for them when they're here, they're breaking a law because they're illegal immigrants, obviously.

00:06:32.000 Obviously.

00:06:33.000 But once they're okay, yeah, of course.

00:06:34.000 So once they're here, once they are here, what kind of harm are they actually doing?

00:06:38.000 When you look at the numbers, it's just a lot.

00:06:40.000 No, no, that's not true.

00:06:41.000 Okay. 0.95

00:06:41.000 Black. 0.95

00:06:41.000 Black wages have gone down. 0.95

00:06:43.000 DUIs have gone up dramatically.

00:06:45.000 I'm trying not to interrupt, bro.

00:06:46.000 Okay, hold on.

00:06:47.000 I'm interjecting.

00:06:49.000 And I let you go uninterrupted with your whole soliloquy, right?

00:06:52.000 So let me ask you a question now.

00:06:55.000 Okay.

00:06:56.000 So if it is correct that illegal aliens commit less crimes, which of course it's not correct.

00:07:02.000 That is correct.

00:07:02.000 Look it up.

00:07:03.000 In Texas, they made a study in 2018.

00:07:05.000 26% are legal.

00:07:06.000 Is any crime?

00:07:07.000 It's just not correct.

00:07:07.000 But I'm not going to debate that.

00:07:10.000 I just proved it at its face because they commit a crime by being here every day.

00:07:13.000 That is a crime.

00:07:14.000 Okay, once they are here, what kind of crimes are they committing?

00:07:16.000 Which is, they're 26%.

00:07:18.000 26%.

00:07:19.000 Do you know the name Lake and Riley?

00:07:21.000 No, educate me.

00:07:23.000 Oh, you don't?

00:07:24.000 No, no, no.

00:07:25.000 Do you know, wow.

00:07:26.000 Do you know the name Rachel Morin?

00:07:29.000 No, I don't.

00:07:30.000 Wow.

00:07:32.000 Educate.

00:07:33.000 So Lake and Riley was a girl at the University of Georgia.

00:07:36.000 There was a peeping Tommy, illegal alien, that was deported five times prior, and Biden kept on letting him back in.

00:07:42.000 He hunted her down, her, sodomized her, and murdered her on a hiking trail at the University of Georgia. 0.72

00:07:46.000 Okay, that person doesn't represent all of the people.

00:07:49.000 Every person who is killed by an illegal alien is one that should not happen. 0.80

00:07:53.000 Every single one.

00:07:54.000 Of course, and also the ones that are in the world.

00:07:55.000 And everyone.

00:07:56.000 And so that's the point.

00:07:57.000 Is that it's not a matter of the rate.

00:08:00.000 Even if I accept your premise, which is incorrect, the rate is irrelevant.

00:08:05.000 The number is what's relevant.

00:08:06.000 There should be zero illegal aliens. 0.99

00:08:08.000 There should be zero Americans being killed by illegals.

00:08:11.000 Not to mention there's six other problems with illegal aliens. 0.89

00:08:13.000 They steal social security numbers.

00:08:15.000 They depress wages.

00:08:16.000 They are heavily involved.

00:08:18.000 By the way, not to mention, a lot of people that cross on the southern border are also smuggling girls, weapons, and drugs alongside the southern border when they come.

00:08:25.000 It's the largest slavery operation in American history that many illegal aliens help make possible on the southern border. 0.93

00:08:32.000 And I guess the final question I'll have is: should a government serve its citizens first and foremost?

00:08:39.000 Yeah, of course.

00:08:39.000 Of course.

00:08:40.000 Well, okay, there's been many people who are like very political leaders who have said that this place is built off of immigrants.

00:08:47.000 Oh, is it?

00:08:48.000 Wait, hold on.

00:08:48.000 Let's think about that.

00:08:49.000 Sure.

00:08:50.000 First of all, it's legal, not illegal.

00:08:52.000 But was America founded by immigrants or settlers?

00:08:55.000 Settlers. 0.99

00:08:56.000 That's not an immigrant. 1.00

00:08:57.000 Yeah, yeah, okay.

00:08:59.000 You brought up the nation built by immigrants. 0.99

00:09:02.000 Yeah, we're actually wrong.

00:09:04.000 Because the political leaders have said that this place is built.

00:09:08.000 They're wrong?

00:09:08.000 Political leaders are wrong.

00:09:10.000 George W. Bush is wrong.

00:09:11.000 All these political leaders who have built this.

00:09:13.000 By the way, the first person to say that was.

00:09:14.000 How is that wrong?

00:09:15.000 When illegal immigrants make it again, allow me to build it out for you. 1.00

00:09:22.000 Sure.

00:09:23.000 Immigrants have helped at times in American history, but we are first and foremost a nation founded by settlers.

00:09:28.000 Immigrants come to a country already built. 1.00

00:09:29.000 Settlers come to a barren place and build something new. 1.00

00:09:32.000 This land was barren when people came.

00:09:34.000 In the 1840s gold rush, this was not an easy place to live.

00:09:38.000 California was not exactly industrialized.

00:09:41.000 There was not immigrants coming west to California.

00:09:43.000 Those were settlers building a new place around Western values.

00:09:47.000 Finally, I would just ask the question: do you see a moral distinction between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant?

00:09:54.000 Well, the argument is that they're cutting in line.

00:09:56.000 Like, the argument is that they're cutting in line in the 20-year process that it would take for someone to be to create a new city.

00:10:01.000 It's not 20.

00:10:02.000 At most, it's 20.

00:10:03.000 Right now, there's around like 1.2 million people who are currently waiting.

00:10:06.000 That would take six to seven years for a hearing.

00:10:08.000 And by the way, no one has a right to come to this country, just to be clear. 0.97

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00:11:15.000 Okay, so people who come here usually almost all the time when they come here, they benefit society.

00:11:23.000 They benefit society.

00:11:24.000 There's studies that have done this.

00:11:26.000 Not necessarily.

00:11:27.000 Okay, not necessarily, but overall in general.

00:11:30.000 But not only is it a lot of people who are in the world.

00:11:31.000 I fundamentally disagree with that.

00:11:32.000 You can't disagree with a fact.

00:11:34.000 Hold on.

00:11:34.000 Do you think Elon Omar has enriched the United States of America?

00:11:39.000 I don't know.

00:11:40.000 Do you think Rashida Tlaib?

00:11:42.000 I mean, I could go through person by person by person.

00:11:45.000 Sorry, I don't know these people.

00:11:45.000 Are these people who have like are illegal immigrants that have caused harm?

00:11:49.000 Again, if you don't know, I don't need to pick on you.

00:11:50.000 It's fine.

00:11:51.000 But I guess the final question is: do you have any concern that there are too many people coming into this country and we're a nation of strangers, not a nation of neighbors?

00:12:01.000 If the people who are coming are creating America, making it more growing, like the economy is growing, then what harm is that doing? 0.99

00:12:07.000 Especially if the people are not.

00:12:07.000 Because we're recording that an economy, though, aren't we?

00:12:09.000 We're a culture.

00:12:10.000 We're a language.

00:12:11.000 Yeah, of course.

00:12:11.000 Okay, so let's talk about that front.

00:12:13.000 When they come here, they don't have any kind of, they're not committing more crimes than the people who are already here.

00:12:18.000 That is a situation.

00:12:18.000 We've already dispelled that.

00:12:19.000 But you can't say that.

00:12:20.000 In California, let's think California.

00:12:23.000 Do you think there's anything wrong that a majority of young people in California speak Spanish, not English?

00:12:28.000 Wait, sorry, can you see the question?

00:12:29.000 Do you think there's anything wrong or troubling to the fact that a majority of people under the age of 30 here in this state speak Spanish, not English?

00:12:36.000 Is there a problem with that?

00:12:37.000 Well, yeah, everyone should be able to have an ability to communicate with the rest of the crowd.

00:12:42.000 So I don't know what the big issue of that is.

00:12:44.000 See, I think it's a huge problem when we have a nation where you can't communicate with the other people.

00:12:48.000 Okay, simple solution.

00:12:49.000 Teach them how to speak English.

00:12:51.000 What is your problem?

00:12:51.000 Yeah, and our schools don't do that, actually.

00:12:53.000 And also, have a better solution.

00:12:55.000 Don't import a bunch of people that don't speak English. 1.00

00:12:57.000 You mean importing people who actually grow the economy.

00:13:02.000 I reject your premise.

00:13:03.000 That's not a premise.

00:13:04.000 That's a study that's been done.

00:13:06.000 Do you know what a premise is?

00:13:07.000 I don't actually care as much about economic growth because we're one nation under GDP.

00:13:12.000 We're not one nation under GDP.

00:13:14.000 We're a nation under God.

00:13:15.000 And when we lose social cohesion and you import a bunch of people that don't share our values, that don't necessarily always assimilate, that's a major and serious problem. 0.97

00:13:24.000 And we are a people first and foremost with a creed, and that creed is falling apart.

00:13:29.000 Mass migration has not helped that creed.

00:13:31.000 Yes, they might buy more trinkets.

00:13:33.000 They might help depress wages.

00:13:34.000 Mass migration, of course, can help.

00:13:36.000 All the good things, all great things for America.

00:13:39.000 They help major corporations, but you know what they also do?

00:13:41.000 They keep down the wages of working people.

00:13:43.000 If you are a plumber, yes, of course.

00:13:45.000 If you think about it, you're a plumber, electrician, or a welder, and you have to compete against someone from Nicaragua who's willing to do it for five bucks less an hour, that depresses the wages of the American citizen. 0.98

00:13:54.000 Right.

00:13:54.000 Yeah, so there's been studies that have done that also counteract that.

00:13:58.000 Illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:13:59.000 Well, let's use our reason.

00:14:00.000 No, let's use our reason.

00:14:02.000 Let's use our reason.

00:14:04.000 How about our reason?

00:14:04.000 So we've had mass migration for 20 years.

00:14:06.000 Have wages gone up?

00:14:10.000 I don't know.

00:14:11.000 No, they haven't, actually.

00:14:12.000 So forget your studies.

00:14:13.000 For 10 years, we've had.

00:14:15.000 For 10 years, we've had 30 million people come into America.

00:14:18.000 Wages have gone down dramatically.

00:14:20.000 Maybe there's a reason why.

00:14:22.000 Okay.

00:14:24.000 Okay.

00:14:25.000 So what I encourage you to do, just because there's a study that confirms, you should use your reason and look actually at self-evident truths.

00:14:33.000 Be like, huh, does that make sense?

00:14:35.000 Can you name anything?

00:14:35.000 Statistics are self-evident.

00:14:37.000 Well, not always.

00:14:37.000 Statistics are very misleading.

00:14:39.000 Yes.

00:14:40.000 Like, for example, I could say, did you know that 600 people a year die because of seatbelts?

00:14:45.000 Well, that's a misleading statistic because over 100,000 lives are saved by seatbelts.

00:14:49.000 That's an incomplete statistic.

00:14:50.000 Okay, so that's a gray area.

00:14:52.000 So where's the gray area where people are talking about where 26% of illegal immigrants who come here commit less crimes than native-born immigrants? 0.60

00:14:59.000 How many times have I been over this?

00:15:00.000 That's just not correct.

00:15:02.000 That is correct.

00:15:03.000 Every single crime, it doesn't matter.

00:15:05.000 This is a study that was done in Texas, the most diverse most diverse state.

00:15:09.000 Every crime in illegal commits is one that should never have happened.

00:15:12.000 It is a period.

00:15:14.000 They should not be here.

00:15:15.000 So I don't care about the rate.

00:15:16.000 The rate is irrelevant.

00:15:17.000 So let me just ask one final question.

00:15:19.000 It is relevant.

00:15:20.000 Someone broke into the country and cut in line.

00:15:22.000 What should happen to them?

00:15:24.000 Well, they're given.

00:15:26.000 Ideally, there's a system.

00:15:27.000 Ideally, there's a system that's merit-based where these people then become part of the citizen.

00:15:32.000 Like, they become a legal citizen.

00:15:33.000 Yeah, I mean, we have clarity, but not agreement.

00:15:35.000 I say deport them all back to their country of origin and put Americans first. 1.00

00:15:39.000 That's not an appropriate solution when the American people voted for it, and it is appropriate.

00:15:44.000 It isn't appropriate because most of the people that do come here illegally contribute positively to society. 1.00

00:15:49.000 Not again, statistically, everything backs this.

00:15:52.000 You're not listening to anything I'm saying, and that's fine.

00:15:55.000 They take jobs from Americans, they depress wages, they steal social security numbers, they commit a crime every single day that they're here, they flood our public schools, they flood our social services, they flood our hospitals, they are a burden on the taxpayer, they should go back and make their own country great again and apply and become a legal immigrant if they want to live here. 1.00

00:16:13.000 Thank you very much.

00:16:14.000 Thank you.

00:16:16.000 Next question.

00:16:21.000 Basically, my question is: there are circumstances in the U.S. where little kids come in illegally because of their parents, but they come here and they this is this is their whole life.

00:16:34.000 They have no history in their home country, right?

00:16:37.000 How do we humanely, and as conservatives or Christians, like deal with this in a way that represents our values?

00:16:44.000 You're not going to like my answer, and that's okay.

00:16:47.000 The whole family unit should be returned back to the country.

00:16:50.000 Okay, that's what I was tending to think.

00:16:52.000 And can I just build it out?

00:16:54.000 Yes.

00:16:54.000 So, a moral teaching of scripture is that you do not favor justice for the poor or for the rich.

00:17:00.000 This idea of blind justice.

00:17:02.000 And if we agree it is wrong to do this, and we say, Okay, what's the most humane way?

00:17:07.000 It'd be one thing if we say, Hey, you separate the family, which ironically, people on the left actually want the family separated.

00:17:14.000 They say, Oh, keep the kids and bring the parents back home.

00:17:17.000 I think that's wrong.

00:17:17.000 I think the whole family unit should return.

00:17:19.000 And here's why: is that these parents, when they brought some of these kids across the border, they knowingly put their kids in harm's way.

00:17:27.000 That's true.

00:17:28.000 And again, it is not fair to the kids of other nations that are not able to legally immigrate into this country just because others were carried across the southern border.

00:17:37.000 Do you think it would then be reasonable to give maybe these families, unfortunately, due to their parents' decisions, maybe more priority about getting an actual visa or no?

00:17:49.000 No visas. 0.94

00:17:50.000 I know I'm pretty harsh on this, and I'll tell you why.

00:17:53.000 If we compromise on immigration law, then we do not have immigration law.

00:17:58.000 We must be uncompromising in the enforcement of law, period.

00:18:02.000 And again, if we want to accommodate certain things, then we're basically going to say, Hey, this law should not exist, and anybody can come in under any circumstances.

00:18:09.000 But again, the parents are the ones to blame here, not the U.S. government.

00:18:14.000 The parents brought their kids, and I'm going to say something a little bit provocative, almost as like mini hostages against the system, where they're like, Well, you can't deport me because I brought these kids as a safety mechanism.

00:18:26.000 And by the way, just so we're clear, some of these kids are brought across in sex trafficking ways.

00:18:30.000 Some of them are brought in very cruel and unusual ways.

00:18:33.000 And so, again, people don't always love that answer, but yeah.

00:18:37.000 I guess my next question to that would be: I'm trying to think.

00:18:43.000 I just like because they have no, maybe they don't even, you know, their first language is English, they may not even speak their native language.

00:18:51.000 Um, and you said that it was because that's the law right now that we don't allow immigration inside.

00:19:00.000 But in the past presidency, maybe when they came in, that wasn't the case.

00:19:04.000 So, no, that's right.

00:19:05.000 And I don't agree with that, that that was the way it was during that time.

00:19:10.000 But then, shouldn't we maybe allow those people to stay because that was acceptable in that moment?

00:19:17.000 If you're 25 years or younger, it's been the law for about 25 years, right?

00:19:21.000 It's about like 2000, 8 USD 1312.

00:19:24.000 I guess saying, just like in the last presidency, it was just so like chillax, I guess.

00:19:29.000 Yeah, I mean, so look, like, let's let's just talk about something that's going to be a huge task because what you're talking about is still a hypothetical in some ways.

00:19:36.000 Because you're talking about people that might have been here for 10 or 15 years.

00:19:39.000 The more important and one that's going to be a huge lift is getting all 14 million people that came across in the last four years.

00:19:45.000 They do know another nation.

00:19:46.000 They do know another home.

00:19:48.000 We're not even getting the people that are 18, 20, 25.

00:19:51.000 We're talking about trying to get 14 million people that were bum rushed across the border in the span of four years.

00:19:57.000 Every single one of those people should be returned back to their country of origin and deported from the United States. 1.00

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00:21:26.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:21:27.000 Great to meet you.

00:21:27.000 Thank you for letting me speak in your platform.

00:21:30.000 First of all, I really disagree with you in a lot of things.

00:21:34.000 Be respectful, guys.

00:21:36.000 It's fine.

00:21:37.000 Part of what makes America a great country.

00:21:39.000 It does.

00:21:40.000 America's a great country, but I don't like your t-shirt.

00:21:44.000 I'm going to get started by saying I'm an immigrant.

00:21:48.000 And, well, I don't understand why you would want to deport all some of my friends and family who have been working hard in this country and that like they're being persecuted right now.

00:21:58.000 So I just, I don't get the whole process of it.

00:22:03.000 And it feels like I'm being discriminated against even though I'm here through legal means.

00:22:08.000 But just, can you please give me an answer for that?

00:22:11.000 And before that, if like, let's say, if I would come up here and say, like, I'm an illegal immigrant and I'm here trying to debate you, would you call ICE?

00:22:19.000 Yes.

00:22:20.000 I mean, Tom Holman would probably see the video and you'd probably go back to your true country. 1.00

00:22:23.000 Okay.

00:22:24.000 I mean, that's how it works, right?

00:22:26.000 But let me just ask you a question.

00:22:27.000 What is the fair way a country in your ideal?

00:22:29.000 You're king.

00:22:30.000 What's your name?

00:22:31.000 Sorry.

00:22:31.000 I'm Claudio, sir.

00:22:32.000 Yeah, Claudio.

00:22:33.000 And this is just a thought exercise, but it's very revealing.

00:22:35.000 You are king.

00:22:36.000 And you find out that there are 30 million uninvited people in your country.

00:22:40.000 What do you do with them?

00:22:41.000 Oh, in this case, I try to find the most humane way of sending them back to our country.

00:22:46.000 But first of all, I want to say this.

00:22:48.000 That's what we're doing.

00:22:49.000 Wait, let me just say something.

00:22:50.000 That's what we're doing.

00:22:50.000 Let me just say.

00:22:51.000 King Claudio.

00:22:52.000 Long live the king.

00:22:55.000 I'm not a dictator at all, but of course I'm.

00:22:58.000 It's a helpful thought, actually.

00:22:59.000 I get it.

00:23:00.000 And all I'm saying is you were talking about like in the past couple of people that came up here, like America first, trying to get like the best for our country and like increasing the productivity and getting us to be like the best country possible, which I agree.

00:23:12.000 Like I love this country.

00:23:14.000 But a lot of this country is built on like illegal immigrant labor. 0.54

00:23:18.000 And it's definitely like a bad means, but it's been a good result somehow.

00:23:26.000 Like I'm sure you know people like you have friends from like home that own businesses that employ these types of people that are very productive and very honest and just hardworking trying to get a better life.

00:23:37.000 And a lot of those people are very close to me, so it's just a very heartbreaking situation for me, but I understand.

00:23:43.000 Okay, yeah, but I mean, and you gave the answer if you were in charge.

00:23:45.000 I guess this is another important question.

00:23:48.000 What should the punishment be then if you break into somebody else's country uninvited and stay there without welcome?

00:23:56.000 Well, I really, I don't know what the punishment should be.

00:23:59.000 I'm not a lawyer.

00:24:00.000 No, no, that's okay.

00:24:00.000 I'm just asking, it's totally.

00:24:03.000 Yeah.

00:24:03.000 Here's our position.

00:24:05.000 is that it is against federal law to come into America, right?

00:24:09.000 You're not allowed to come into the country without, you know, without invite.

00:24:13.000 So that's against the law.

00:24:14.000 So if we can do one of two things, and there really isn't, there's very little in the middle.

00:24:18.000 There's some nuance, but we can say we are not going to enforce the law because we're just going to say that doesn't matter.

00:24:25.000 Or we could say, look, the law is blind, and when you break the law, it must apply to all people. 0.79

00:24:30.000 Now, I think you're a little different because I don't want you to loop in.

00:24:33.000 So what country did you emigrate from?

00:24:35.000 Are you going to discriminate against me?

00:24:37.000 No, I'm actually not.

00:24:37.000 I'm going to do the opposite, actually.

00:24:39.000 Yeah.

00:24:40.000 I'm curious.

00:24:40.000 I'm Mexican.

00:24:41.000 Okay, fine.

00:24:42.000 But you came here legally, correct?

00:24:43.000 I did, sir.

00:24:44.000 Okay, great.

00:24:44.000 Well, if I didn't, you'd be calling the police, wouldn't you?

00:24:47.000 No, but it's not a racial thing.

00:24:48.000 If you were Polish and you overstayed a visa, then you should be – but hold on. 1.00

00:24:53.000 You followed the rules.

00:24:56.000 So you're exempt.

00:24:57.000 The people that you know didn't follow the rules.

00:24:59.000 True.

00:25:00.000 So I divide America not into Mexican and white and Hispanic and white, into rule follower and rule breaker. 0.64

00:25:06.000 And so when someone breaks our rules, there must be justice done.

00:25:10.000 There must be a punishment.

00:25:11.000 And the most humane way is you go back to your country of origin. 0.98

00:25:14.000 We'll do it humanely.

00:25:15.000 We'll do it correctly.

00:25:16.000 But if you are not invited into a home, into a dorm room, into a living room, the standard applies to an entire country.

00:25:22.000 Now, to your point, you might be right.

00:25:23.000 There might be some economic disruption.

00:25:25.000 However, you know what happens if you have economic disruption in the labor pool?

00:25:29.000 Wages are going to go up.

00:25:30.000 And you guys are going to see your wages go up.

00:25:32.000 Who is going to occupy those jobs? 0.88

00:25:34.000 So this is a little bit insulting.

00:25:35.000 I don't think you mean it this way.

00:25:36.000 That illegal immigrants are nothing more than just kind of like. 1.00

00:25:41.000 These are my people, so how could I be insulting them?

00:25:43.000 I'm even defending.

00:25:44.000 I don't think you mean it this way.

00:25:46.000 But broadly, when we talk about immigration, there's a talking about like, well, who's going to pick your grapefruits?

00:25:50.000 And like, who's going to serve you Chipotle?

00:25:52.000 You've probably heard this before, right?

00:25:53.000 I have, yeah.

00:25:54.000 Who's going to clean your hotel room? 0.99

00:25:57.000 But hold on.

00:25:58.000 Embedded in that is kind of a really derogatory that's like, they're kind of just like a permanent serf class here to serve us.

00:26:05.000 I think that's like really creepy and weird, actually.

00:26:07.000 These are human beings.

00:26:08.000 They're more than just kind of economic utility.

00:26:10.000 Yeah, no, but like in the in the history of the of the U.S., like we've heard, we first had like the Italian and Polish immigrants and they first served those jobs and then they became like economically sufficient.

00:26:22.000 They were welcomed.

00:26:23.000 True.

00:26:24.000 But it was a different time in history.

00:26:25.000 Of course, but I suppose the broader question is one of justice, which is that to what should a country do when your sovereignty has been so massively violated for a long period of time?

00:26:38.000 And a country seeks to be a country, becomes something else.

00:26:40.000 It becomes a colony or it becomes just kind of a random area if a country does not have loyalty to its own people.

00:26:48.000 And if it has loyalty to foreigners or to an oligarchy, it ceases to be a country.

00:26:52.000 So it's not the most popular argument.

00:26:54.000 Well, actually, the American people voted for it.

00:26:56.000 And it sounds cruel, but it's very simple.

00:26:58.000 It's like, look, this is not against any of you personally, but you have to have the law be the first and last ushering of what a government does in this situation.

00:27:09.000 And by the way, what I was saying about you, I'm getting back to you.

00:27:12.000 You deserve to be applauded because you guys followed the rules.

00:27:16.000 And it's not fair to people like you who followed the rules to all of a sudden have line cutters.

00:27:22.000 Here's the equivalent.

00:27:23.000 You guys waited in line like two and a half hours to go get a meal at a restaurant and someone shows up and just cuts in line.

00:27:29.000 What was the first thing you would say?

00:27:30.000 That's not fair.

00:27:32.000 And you would be right.

00:27:33.000 And the same with immigration, please. 0.85

00:27:34.000 Yeah.

00:27:34.000 Wait, let me just like add a layer to this and then I'm probably done.

00:27:37.000 But like, let's say that the people that's cutting like in front of line, like that's like some of my boys like that I know that they're being like persecuted like back home, them and their families.

00:27:49.000 Like they're like in like drug-related like wars and violence.

00:27:53.000 And the only way out, like the only way they're not gonna die or like suffer a very bad fate is if they escape and they break the American law.

00:28:00.000 But that's the only way they're gonna survive.

00:28:02.000 So like hold on.

00:28:03.000 Hold on.

00:28:04.000 Two thoughts on this.

00:28:05.000 Number one, if that is correct, we have a special asylum status that they could seek legally at a port of entry that they could go through a whole process.

00:28:14.000 But if they're being persecuted, don't they not deserve it?

00:28:17.000 It wouldn't be justified to cut the line.

00:28:19.000 No.

00:28:20.000 Secondly, well, it might be justified in their mind, but it's not justified in the rural administer's mind to make exception for it.

00:28:26.000 But let me just, let me make a more important point, though.

00:28:29.000 If we all of a sudden say that if you have a lot of gang violence and issues, I mean, like, we have a lot of gang violence and issues.

00:28:34.000 Like, what are we talking about here?

00:28:36.000 Like, we're a more dangerous country than half of the Central American countries. 0.53

00:28:39.000 We're far more dangerous than El Salvador.

00:28:41.000 And we could make an example.

00:28:43.000 If that is the criteria, like, all of South America should be allowed into America.

00:28:47.000 Basically, I mean, the idea is that at some point you have almost no standard whatsoever.

00:28:52.000 And instead, here's my perspective.

00:28:54.000 We should empower those people to go fix their own country.

00:28:57.000 We should empower them to go make El Salvador great again, which is a great country now.

00:29:01.000 Nicaragua, Honduras.

00:29:02.000 Yes, please, final.

00:29:03.000 So wouldn't like a good way to start is like trying to lower the demand for drugs in America because a lot of the drugs that are like being produced and being fought over in South America are going to be supplied to the U.S. for your American consumers.

00:29:17.000 Yeah, so how would you recommend lowering demand?

00:29:20.000 I have no idea.

00:29:20.000 Like, what would you do?

00:29:22.000 I don't know.

00:29:23.000 I mean, demand and supply are two different issues, right?

00:29:25.000 I mean, the first part of demand is that way too many people get into, and I talked to my earlier point, they get into a thought pattern that substances are going to bring me flourishing, which I think is wrong.

00:29:36.000 But yes, I think, look, the drug cartels are richer than ever before.

00:29:41.000 And we have more drugs legalized than any time in the last 40 years.

00:29:44.000 So something doesn't fit.

00:29:45.000 So obviously drug legalization is not impoverishing them.

00:29:48.000 The biggest way, though, that we stop these third world countries from being tinpot despotic dictatorships is we have to stop subsidizing their oligarchy through foreign aid. 0.98

00:29:59.000 And then, yes, you're right.

00:30:00.000 The Chinese Communist Party is pumping tons of money into these countries.

00:30:04.000 But finally, and I know this sounds a little bit cruel, is that I care far more about the suffering of Americans than the suffering of other people's countries first. 0.52

00:30:12.000 I would too, yeah.

00:30:12.000 And you have to.

00:30:13.000 You have to look after your own people. 0.87

00:30:15.000 You have to draw the line.

00:30:16.000 And it's the old adage, right, guys?

00:30:18.000 If your plane is going down, what do they tell you to do first?

00:30:21.000 You put your mask on first and then the mask on the person that might not be able to put a mask on an infant or someone that might be infirmed.

00:30:28.000 It's the same way as a country.

00:30:29.000 We need to put our own oxygen mask on first and then we can worry about helping other people.

00:30:33.000 Thank you so much.

00:30:33.000 I appreciate it.

00:30:34.000 Thank you.

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00:31:38.000 I think that the anti-immigration rhetoric you have is not new.

00:31:42.000 I think that you try to paint a picture of it being this current phenomenon that we're facing, but there's been rhetoric from your side for a long time, throughout the entirety of history.

00:31:52.000 I mean, if we look at the immigration policies in the U.S., even though Chinese immigrants built the entire Western Railroad, there was still the Chinese Exclusion Act because they were providing insane value to the United States, but we still had these exclusion acts because of xenophobic attitudes.

00:32:08.000 And so this is not a novel idea that immigrants are bad for the country.

00:32:14.000 So I'm interested in why you think that all of a sudden we need to change the way the United States works.

00:32:22.000 Well, first of all, immigration has gone in great influxes.

00:32:25.000 We basically turned off all immigration in the 1940s and 50s.

00:32:28.000 We had like net zero immigration for almost 15 years.

00:32:31.000 Most people don't even know that.

00:32:32.000 So we had Ellis Island in the early 1900s, and then we turned on the guzzle of immigration. 0.62

00:32:37.000 But let's be honest, for 40 years, we have tried this mass immigration project for the last 40 years.

00:32:44.000 Has it worked?

00:32:45.000 Are we a more connected country?

00:32:47.000 Have middle-class wages kept up?

00:32:50.000 Look at the material data.

00:32:51.000 Has immigration enriched the well-being of the United States of America, especially the last five or six years?

00:32:58.000 I would say, of course not, actually.

00:32:59.000 We're more divided, we're more factious, and we see this in almost every European country as well.

00:33:04.000 When you import a bunch of people that don't speak your language, that are from the third world, all of a sudden you have mass destabilization happening in your country. 1.00

00:33:12.000 It's not a matter of being xenophobic.

00:33:14.000 Instead, it's a matter of being patriotic to your own country and your own citizens.

00:33:17.000 It's not about hating the foreigner.

00:33:19.000 It's about loving the citizen.

00:33:20.000 And your obligation is always to citizens first, not foreigners. 0.99

00:33:27.000 Okay.

00:33:28.000 So you don't think that the MAGA movement has led to xenophobic attitudes at all?

00:33:34.000 I don't even know how to answer that.

00:33:35.000 I mean, like...

00:33:36.000 Why not?

00:33:37.000 Well, because you have to first define what you mean by xenophobic attitudes.

00:33:41.000 I mean, just like you said, you said, I mean, we're living in a divided world.

00:33:46.000 You don't think that comes from people being anti-immigration?

00:33:49.000 No, I think it's the opposite.

00:33:50.000 I think when you allow a bunch of people that aren't native-born Americans too quickly with no checks, no background, no idea who they are, and flood them into your towns, definitionally, diversity is not a strength when it comes to local community ties. 1.00

00:34:03.000 If you don't use it, if you don't use it, I don't know that you're committed to finding its strength.

00:34:07.000 Hold on, no, explain this to me.

00:34:08.000 This is a good question.

00:34:10.000 What country has ever grown stronger the more divided it's been?

00:34:15.000 None, but I'm not saying that we have to get more divided.

00:34:17.000 No, no, no, but diversity definitionally will divide you.

00:34:21.000 Unity unifies you.

00:34:22.000 You notice they never say unity is our strength.

00:34:24.000 They say diversity is our strength.

00:34:26.000 In fact, just so we are clear, there is nothing racist or xenophobic to say that you want your kids to be around people that speak English.

00:34:34.000 There's nothing racist to say that.

00:34:36.000 It actually means that you want to be able to communicate with your neighbor.

00:34:39.000 There's nothing racist and xenophobic to say, for example, we don't want to import people from a far-off distant land that don't share Western values, that don't treat women the same, that don't have the same respect for freedom of speech.

00:34:52.000 So what we see is the unraveling of the United States of America because a country is, again, just like undoubtedly, it is the people that inhabit it.

00:35:03.000 So you have to be very careful what people you allow into your country. 1.00

00:35:05.000 Sure, but I think that what you're talking about, this like mass shift in American culture, is like not happening.

00:35:11.000 I think you're fear-mongering.

00:35:13.000 And also, I think that the United States forever has been a mix of culture.

00:35:18.000 I don't really know where you can point to a time in the U.S. history that hasn't included immigrants in its culture.

00:35:26.000 And from the 20s, to the 1920s and 1960s, we had very little immigration in this country, nearly 40 years.

00:35:32.000 In fact, that is what largely led to us becoming a world superpower in the 1950s.

00:35:38.000 We had the Bracero program back then where we brought in tons of laborers from Mexico to the United States to work in agricultural, and that's how we fed the United States.

00:35:48.000 So I agree with that.

00:35:50.000 It was very limited in scope versus what we see today.

00:35:54.000 But again, I will ask a more moral question.

00:35:57.000 Does a politician have first loyalty to its own citizens or to another country's citizens?

00:36:02.000 Absolutely.

00:36:02.000 I'm glad you brought this because I wanted to circle back to my original question about the United States creating instability in the rest of the world.

00:36:09.000 I do think that every single politician, like let's say I'm the prime minister of South Africa, you know, my, my.

00:36:15.000 Which is an incredibly anti-white country.

00:36:17.000 Like, oh my goodness. 0.80

00:36:18.000 Okay.

00:36:18.000 Anyway.

00:36:19.000 Dangerously anti-white.

00:36:21.000 Do you know about that, by the way? 0.88

00:36:21.000 Okay. 0.88

00:36:21.000 Anyway. 0.88

00:36:22.000 You should.

00:36:23.000 Apartheid, yes. 0.99

00:36:24.000 Oh, no, it's like they're killing white people in the streets in South Africa. 0.99

00:36:29.000 They're stealing farmland. 0.96

00:36:31.000 If you don't know about that, that shows how the media is lying to all of you.

00:36:34.000 It is literally a mini white genocide happening in South Africa right now.

00:36:37.000 Yes, but I don't think that we should...

00:36:39.000 No, it's fine.

00:36:40.000 You brought up South Africa, not me, but yes.

00:36:42.000 That was just an example.

00:36:43.000 Anyway, let's stay on topic.

00:36:45.000 So let's say I'm the prime minister for a country.

00:36:47.000 I do agree with you that my first job is that country, for sure.

00:36:51.000 That's who I'm leading.

00:36:52.000 But considering the United States has created mass violence, instability, and poverty around the world, you don't think that we have some sort of obligation to the people who then have to flee from that?

00:37:02.000 No.

00:37:03.000 Why not?

00:37:05.000 Wait, hold on.

00:37:07.000 Well, why not?

00:37:08.000 Define your terms.

00:37:10.000 Where have we created mass stability?

00:37:12.000 I'll grant you Iraq. 0.78

00:37:13.000 That was a disaster.

00:37:14.000 Where else?

00:37:15.000 In all of Latin America, in different countries in Africa, places like the Philippines that we colonized, Puerto Rico.

00:37:23.000 Yeah, I mean, of course, I'm always so interested in this as if it's like, you can never blame those countries for not having their act together.

00:37:30.000 It's somehow America's fault.

00:37:32.000 Like, oh, it's America's fault that Nicaragua can't get its act together.

00:37:37.000 It's America's fault, even though we welcome Puerto Rico to become U.S. citizens. 1.00

00:37:41.000 Like, we've colonized them.

00:37:42.000 So here's the paradox.

00:37:44.000 You don't think that Puerto Rico was colonized?

00:37:45.000 No, no, no, no.

00:37:46.000 I'm saying no.

00:37:47.000 So if we don't help Puerto Rico, we're evil.

00:37:50.000 When they become a territory, we colonize them, and we haven't done enough.

00:37:54.000 It's like, which one is it exactly?

00:37:55.000 So the Puerto Rico was taken from the Spanish as a colony and used as a sugar farm for years where the workers were paid less than a dollar per day to create sugar for the United States.

00:38:06.000 And it's not really about statehood or independence.

00:38:09.000 It's about letting Puerto Rico decide that for themselves.

00:38:12.000 And anyway, this isn't about Puerto Rico.

00:38:13.000 No, it's fine.

00:38:15.000 And more broadly, and I'll get to the couple final questions here.

00:38:19.000 I can sense that your problem is that America's super successful and these other countries aren't.

00:38:24.000 And foundationally, it's rooted in envy, bitterness, and resentment because we are the world's superpower.

00:38:31.000 It's not because we've held anybody back.

00:38:33.000 It's because we've had incredible people, really good ideas.

00:38:36.000 I think the U.S. has intervened in a negative way in other countries.

00:38:40.000 At times, yes.

00:38:40.000 times we've intervened very favorably we can you at least acknowledge at times that there has been aid but there's also been terror No, no, not just aid.

00:38:49.000 South Korea exists because of American involvement.

00:38:51.000 Kuwait exists because of American involvement.

00:38:54.000 But it's not, it's not.

00:38:56.000 But to look at American accountability, you have to look at the whole of that accountability.

00:39:01.000 And to say that certain countries are less developed purely on their own fault is to ignore his family.

00:39:08.000 So that's where we disagree.

00:39:10.000 Countries have to take responsibility for their own future.

00:39:13.000 Which again, this is one of the reasons why so many people hate Israel.

00:39:16.000 Every other country around there is like a third world country. 0.84

00:39:18.000 And Israel is super successful and super agenic, and they're able to be like one of the wealthiest countries on the planet.

00:39:25.000 You're going to wonder, what is it that they're doing? 0.97

00:39:27.000 Oh, it's the Jews because they're stealing all this money. 1.00

00:39:29.000 No, actually, they work super hard and they don't believe in Islam. 0.99

00:39:33.000 And they're like, wow.

00:39:36.000 And the one place.

00:39:37.000 Have you ever been to those countries?

00:39:39.000 Yeah, actually, I have been to Israel and I've been to the Palestinian Authority.

00:39:43.000 I've been to the West Bank.

00:39:44.000 I've actually visited it.

00:39:45.000 Even if I had, that doesn't mean what I'm saying is wrong, just for the record.

00:39:47.000 By the way, I encourage you to try to go to Lebanon or Syria.

00:39:50.000 Not exactly the four seasons, right?

00:39:52.000 So.

00:39:54.000 And you don't think that U.S. intervention has anything to do with that?

00:39:57.000 Partially, but again, to blame the evil U.S. intervention for every single problem is at its core intellectually sloppy.

00:40:06.000 I don't think so, because the United States has two times the military of the rest of the world.

00:40:11.000 It has been in our DNA to intervene in a military way in other countries.

00:40:16.000 So to say, I mean, I know you believe in that.

00:40:18.000 So I want to try to square this all the other.

00:40:20.000 I got to get another questions.

00:40:21.000 Just make sure I'm clear.

00:40:22.000 So you're mad at America for getting involved in other people's countries, right?

00:40:26.000 So America's bad for that. 0.98

00:40:28.000 But then you want everyone to come to America. 0.99

00:40:30.000 I thought America's bad.

00:40:32.000 I'm saying that the United States needs to be held accountable.

00:40:34.000 You can't meddle in.

00:40:35.000 So we're held accountable by inviting the entire world here.

00:40:38.000 If you are going to mess up that country, you have to do something about it.

00:40:41.000 Oh, do something.

00:40:42.000 Invite them here.

00:40:43.000 Maybe if you're the reason that they have to leave, no.

00:40:46.000 Then that at its core, I'm glad you articulated it, is neoconservatism, which is invade the world, invite the world.

00:40:52.000 Which is that you don't support the invasion part of it, but somehow we have to invite the world as some sort of like mass penance.

00:40:58.000 So, but that's like you invade and then say, oh, no, I don't support the invasions.

00:41:02.000 I'm just, I think you are overly ascribing fault to the United States of America when in reality it's these own broken countries that cannot get their own act together.

00:41:11.000 A great example is this, and I'll close with this.

00:41:13.000 El Salvador is actually safer than America.

00:41:17.000 It has billions of dollars flowing in El Salvador.

00:41:19.000 Why?

00:41:20.000 Because they elected Bukele, who decided to go after MS-13 and clean up the streets of El Salvador. 0.99

00:41:25.000 Which, again, it was because they decided to do good things with massive action.

00:41:33.000 Countries can be wealthy.

00:41:34.000 Singapore is wealthy.

00:41:35.000 You could be a very wealthy country if you embrace Western market ideas, private property with low crime, and it's not always.

00:41:42.000 I mean, in the case of El Salvador, the United States was the reason that the country broke down into gang warfare.

00:41:48.000 And now, if you look at the way they were able to turn around, they had to declare a state of emergency just to be able to turn things around.

00:41:54.000 It's just like, this is where we're different.

00:41:56.000 And then I'll close.

00:41:57.000 Then we have to get going.

00:41:59.000 I look at America as a force for good.

00:42:01.000 You look at everything wrong and you say it must be America.

00:42:04.000 No, sir.

00:42:04.000 I'm looking at bad things that they have done and calling for accountability.

00:42:09.000 Okay, again, I...

00:42:11.000 I mean, maybe we disagree.

00:42:12.000 I don't know.

00:42:13.000 I guess I think we're a wonderful country.

00:42:15.000 And I think if a country is poor, they're poor by choice.

00:42:18.000 And they have to be able to get their act together, make better decisions, and stop acting like victims all the time.

00:42:22.000 Thank you very much.

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