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00:01:10.000I have a couple points that I want to talk about in illegal immigration.
00:01:15.000Is it okay if I write if I say all of them with no interruption?
00:01:48.000Second point, they strengthen our communities with lower crime rates.
00:01:51.000So in Texas, undocumented immigrants have a 26 lower percent homicide conviction rates, which is 2.2 per 100,000 versus 3 for native-born citizens.
00:02:04.000Nationally, immigrants are incarcerated at half the rate of native-born, where it's 0.85% versus 1.71%.
00:02:13.000That's according to Bureau of Justice statistics from 2019.
00:02:17.000So if safety is your goal, why deport people who make our streets safer?
00:02:40.000Removing 11 million people would cost 315 to 400 billion, more than the entire Homeland Security budget, and shrink our GDP by 1.7 trillion over 10 years.
00:03:32.000To illegally go across the southern border with the well intent to come into harbor yourself into the interior of the United States, the violation of 8 USC 1312, which is a felony in the federal criminal code.
00:03:41.000Now, it can be enforced as a misdemeanor or it can be upwards to five years in prison.
00:03:44.000Now, I want to know, since it's a felony, law in the books, 8 USC 1312, what should the penalty be?
00:03:50.000Well, in my opinion, these kinds of laws are usually, they're, what do you call it?
00:04:55.000When it's your second time crossing the border illegally, then it becomes a felony.
00:04:59.000It can be, and it is, enforced as a felony, and usually is done as a misdemeanor citation because no one has the stones to do 20 million felony applications.
00:05:12.000So I just want to ask, what should the penalty be then for someone that comes into this country illegally?
00:05:23.000Usually there's three ways that go about this when there's a penalty.
00:05:26.000There's either like a fine or there's some kind of like public service that this person does, or you send them back.
00:05:40.000So one of the stats, one of the statistics that I read said that illegal immigrants don't cause as much like they don't break the law as often as people who are native born.
00:08:18.000By the way, not to mention, a lot of people that cross on the southern border are also smuggling girls, weapons, and drugs alongside the southern border when they come.
00:08:25.000It's the largest slavery operation in American history that many illegal aliens help make possible on the southern border.
00:08:32.000And I guess the final question I'll have is: should a government serve its citizens first and foremost?
00:11:51.000But I guess the final question is: do you have any concern that there are too many people coming into this country and we're a nation of strangers, not a nation of neighbors?
00:12:01.000If the people who are coming are creating America, making it more growing, like the economy is growing, then what harm is that doing?
00:12:23.000Do you think there's anything wrong that a majority of young people in California speak Spanish, not English?
00:12:28.000Wait, sorry, can you see the question?
00:12:29.000Do you think there's anything wrong or troubling to the fact that a majority of people under the age of 30 here in this state speak Spanish, not English?
00:13:15.000And when we lose social cohesion and you import a bunch of people that don't share our values, that don't necessarily always assimilate, that's a major and serious problem.
00:13:24.000And we are a people first and foremost with a creed, and that creed is falling apart.
00:13:29.000Mass migration has not helped that creed.
00:13:45.000If you think about it, you're a plumber, electrician, or a welder, and you have to compete against someone from Nicaragua who's willing to do it for five bucks less an hour, that depresses the wages of the American citizen.
00:14:25.000So what I encourage you to do, just because there's a study that confirms, you should use your reason and look actually at self-evident truths.
00:14:52.000So where's the gray area where people are talking about where 26% of illegal immigrants who come here commit less crimes than native-born immigrants?
00:15:52.000You're not listening to anything I'm saying, and that's fine.
00:15:55.000They take jobs from Americans, they depress wages, they steal social security numbers, they commit a crime every single day that they're here, they flood our public schools, they flood our social services, they flood our hospitals, they are a burden on the taxpayer, they should go back and make their own country great again and apply and become a legal immigrant if they want to live here.
00:16:21.000Basically, my question is: there are circumstances in the U.S. where little kids come in illegally because of their parents, but they come here and they this is this is their whole life.
00:16:34.000They have no history in their home country, right?
00:16:37.000How do we humanely, and as conservatives or Christians, like deal with this in a way that represents our values?
00:16:44.000You're not going to like my answer, and that's okay.
00:16:47.000The whole family unit should be returned back to the country.
00:16:50.000Okay, that's what I was tending to think.
00:17:17.000I think the whole family unit should return.
00:17:19.000And here's why: is that these parents, when they brought some of these kids across the border, they knowingly put their kids in harm's way.
00:17:28.000And again, it is not fair to the kids of other nations that are not able to legally immigrate into this country just because others were carried across the southern border.
00:17:37.000Do you think it would then be reasonable to give maybe these families, unfortunately, due to their parents' decisions, maybe more priority about getting an actual visa or no?
00:17:50.000I know I'm pretty harsh on this, and I'll tell you why.
00:17:53.000If we compromise on immigration law, then we do not have immigration law.
00:17:58.000We must be uncompromising in the enforcement of law, period.
00:18:02.000And again, if we want to accommodate certain things, then we're basically going to say, Hey, this law should not exist, and anybody can come in under any circumstances.
00:18:09.000But again, the parents are the ones to blame here, not the U.S. government.
00:18:14.000The parents brought their kids, and I'm going to say something a little bit provocative, almost as like mini hostages against the system, where they're like, Well, you can't deport me because I brought these kids as a safety mechanism.
00:18:26.000And by the way, just so we're clear, some of these kids are brought across in sex trafficking ways.
00:18:30.000Some of them are brought in very cruel and unusual ways.
00:18:33.000And so, again, people don't always love that answer, but yeah.
00:18:37.000I guess my next question to that would be: I'm trying to think.
00:18:43.000I just like because they have no, maybe they don't even, you know, their first language is English, they may not even speak their native language.
00:18:51.000Um, and you said that it was because that's the law right now that we don't allow immigration inside.
00:19:00.000But in the past presidency, maybe when they came in, that wasn't the case.
00:19:24.000I guess saying, just like in the last presidency, it was just so like chillax, I guess.
00:19:29.000Yeah, I mean, so look, like, let's let's just talk about something that's going to be a huge task because what you're talking about is still a hypothetical in some ways.
00:19:36.000Because you're talking about people that might have been here for 10 or 15 years.
00:19:39.000The more important and one that's going to be a huge lift is getting all 14 million people that came across in the last four years.
00:21:40.000America's a great country, but I don't like your t-shirt.
00:21:44.000I'm going to get started by saying I'm an immigrant.
00:21:48.000And, well, I don't understand why you would want to deport all some of my friends and family who have been working hard in this country and that like they're being persecuted right now.
00:21:58.000So I just, I don't get the whole process of it.
00:22:03.000And it feels like I'm being discriminated against even though I'm here through legal means.
00:22:08.000But just, can you please give me an answer for that?
00:22:11.000And before that, if like, let's say, if I would come up here and say, like, I'm an illegal immigrant and I'm here trying to debate you, would you call ICE?
00:23:00.000And all I'm saying is you were talking about like in the past couple of people that came up here, like America first, trying to get like the best for our country and like increasing the productivity and getting us to be like the best country possible, which I agree.
00:23:14.000But a lot of this country is built on like illegal immigrant labor.
00:23:18.000And it's definitely like a bad means, but it's been a good result somehow.
00:23:26.000Like I'm sure you know people like you have friends from like home that own businesses that employ these types of people that are very productive and very honest and just hardworking trying to get a better life.
00:23:37.000And a lot of those people are very close to me, so it's just a very heartbreaking situation for me, but I understand.
00:23:43.000Okay, yeah, but I mean, and you gave the answer if you were in charge.
00:23:45.000I guess this is another important question.
00:23:48.000What should the punishment be then if you break into somebody else's country uninvited and stay there without welcome?
00:23:56.000Well, I really, I don't know what the punishment should be.
00:26:08.000They're more than just kind of economic utility.
00:26:10.000Yeah, no, but like in the in the history of the of the U.S., like we've heard, we first had like the Italian and Polish immigrants and they first served those jobs and then they became like economically sufficient.
00:26:24.000But it was a different time in history.
00:26:25.000Of course, but I suppose the broader question is one of justice, which is that to what should a country do when your sovereignty has been so massively violated for a long period of time?
00:26:38.000And a country seeks to be a country, becomes something else.
00:26:40.000It becomes a colony or it becomes just kind of a random area if a country does not have loyalty to its own people.
00:26:48.000And if it has loyalty to foreigners or to an oligarchy, it ceases to be a country.
00:26:52.000So it's not the most popular argument.
00:26:54.000Well, actually, the American people voted for it.
00:26:56.000And it sounds cruel, but it's very simple.
00:26:58.000It's like, look, this is not against any of you personally, but you have to have the law be the first and last ushering of what a government does in this situation.
00:27:09.000And by the way, what I was saying about you, I'm getting back to you.
00:27:12.000You deserve to be applauded because you guys followed the rules.
00:27:16.000And it's not fair to people like you who followed the rules to all of a sudden have line cutters.
00:27:34.000Wait, let me just like add a layer to this and then I'm probably done.
00:27:37.000But like, let's say that the people that's cutting like in front of line, like that's like some of my boys like that I know that they're being like persecuted like back home, them and their families.
00:27:49.000Like they're like in like drug-related like wars and violence.
00:27:53.000And the only way out, like the only way they're not gonna die or like suffer a very bad fate is if they escape and they break the American law.
00:28:00.000But that's the only way they're gonna survive.
00:28:05.000Number one, if that is correct, we have a special asylum status that they could seek legally at a port of entry that they could go through a whole process.
00:28:14.000But if they're being persecuted, don't they not deserve it?
00:28:17.000It wouldn't be justified to cut the line.
00:29:03.000So wouldn't like a good way to start is like trying to lower the demand for drugs in America because a lot of the drugs that are like being produced and being fought over in South America are going to be supplied to the U.S. for your American consumers.
00:29:17.000Yeah, so how would you recommend lowering demand?
00:29:23.000I mean, demand and supply are two different issues, right?
00:29:25.000I mean, the first part of demand is that way too many people get into, and I talked to my earlier point, they get into a thought pattern that substances are going to bring me flourishing, which I think is wrong.
00:29:36.000But yes, I think, look, the drug cartels are richer than ever before.
00:29:41.000And we have more drugs legalized than any time in the last 40 years.
00:29:45.000So obviously drug legalization is not impoverishing them.
00:29:48.000The biggest way, though, that we stop these third world countries from being tinpot despotic dictatorships is we have to stop subsidizing their oligarchy through foreign aid.
00:30:00.000The Chinese Communist Party is pumping tons of money into these countries.
00:30:04.000But finally, and I know this sounds a little bit cruel, is that I care far more about the suffering of Americans than the suffering of other people's countries first.
00:30:18.000If your plane is going down, what do they tell you to do first?
00:30:21.000You put your mask on first and then the mask on the person that might not be able to put a mask on an infant or someone that might be infirmed.
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00:31:38.000I think that the anti-immigration rhetoric you have is not new.
00:31:42.000I think that you try to paint a picture of it being this current phenomenon that we're facing, but there's been rhetoric from your side for a long time, throughout the entirety of history.
00:31:52.000I mean, if we look at the immigration policies in the U.S., even though Chinese immigrants built the entire Western Railroad, there was still the Chinese Exclusion Act because they were providing insane value to the United States, but we still had these exclusion acts because of xenophobic attitudes.
00:32:08.000And so this is not a novel idea that immigrants are bad for the country.
00:32:14.000So I'm interested in why you think that all of a sudden we need to change the way the United States works.
00:32:22.000Well, first of all, immigration has gone in great influxes.
00:32:25.000We basically turned off all immigration in the 1940s and 50s.
00:32:28.000We had like net zero immigration for almost 15 years.
00:32:59.000We're more divided, we're more factious, and we see this in almost every European country as well.
00:33:04.000When you import a bunch of people that don't speak your language, that are from the third world, all of a sudden you have mass destabilization happening in your country.
00:33:12.000It's not a matter of being xenophobic.
00:33:14.000Instead, it's a matter of being patriotic to your own country and your own citizens.
00:33:50.000I think when you allow a bunch of people that aren't native-born Americans too quickly with no checks, no background, no idea who they are, and flood them into your towns, definitionally, diversity is not a strength when it comes to local community ties.
00:34:03.000If you don't use it, if you don't use it, I don't know that you're committed to finding its strength.
00:34:26.000In fact, just so we are clear, there is nothing racist or xenophobic to say that you want your kids to be around people that speak English.
00:34:36.000It actually means that you want to be able to communicate with your neighbor.
00:34:39.000There's nothing racist and xenophobic to say, for example, we don't want to import people from a far-off distant land that don't share Western values, that don't treat women the same, that don't have the same respect for freedom of speech.
00:34:52.000So what we see is the unraveling of the United States of America because a country is, again, just like undoubtedly, it is the people that inhabit it.
00:35:03.000So you have to be very careful what people you allow into your country.
00:35:05.000Sure, but I think that what you're talking about, this like mass shift in American culture, is like not happening.
00:35:13.000And also, I think that the United States forever has been a mix of culture.
00:35:18.000I don't really know where you can point to a time in the U.S. history that hasn't included immigrants in its culture.
00:35:26.000And from the 20s, to the 1920s and 1960s, we had very little immigration in this country, nearly 40 years.
00:35:32.000In fact, that is what largely led to us becoming a world superpower in the 1950s.
00:35:38.000We had the Bracero program back then where we brought in tons of laborers from Mexico to the United States to work in agricultural, and that's how we fed the United States.
00:36:02.000I'm glad you brought this because I wanted to circle back to my original question about the United States creating instability in the rest of the world.
00:36:09.000I do think that every single politician, like let's say I'm the prime minister of South Africa, you know, my, my.
00:36:15.000Which is an incredibly anti-white country.
00:36:52.000But considering the United States has created mass violence, instability, and poverty around the world, you don't think that we have some sort of obligation to the people who then have to flee from that?
00:37:15.000In all of Latin America, in different countries in Africa, places like the Philippines that we colonized, Puerto Rico.
00:37:23.000Yeah, I mean, of course, I'm always so interested in this as if it's like, you can never blame those countries for not having their act together.
00:37:55.000So the Puerto Rico was taken from the Spanish as a colony and used as a sugar farm for years where the workers were paid less than a dollar per day to create sugar for the United States.
00:38:06.000And it's not really about statehood or independence.
00:38:09.000It's about letting Puerto Rico decide that for themselves.
00:38:12.000And anyway, this isn't about Puerto Rico.
00:38:40.000times we've intervened very favorably we can you at least acknowledge at times that there has been aid but there's also been terror No, no, not just aid.
00:38:49.000South Korea exists because of American involvement.
00:38:51.000Kuwait exists because of American involvement.
00:40:43.000Maybe if you're the reason that they have to leave, no.
00:40:46.000Then that at its core, I'm glad you articulated it, is neoconservatism, which is invade the world, invite the world.
00:40:52.000Which is that you don't support the invasion part of it, but somehow we have to invite the world as some sort of like mass penance.
00:40:58.000So, but that's like you invade and then say, oh, no, I don't support the invasions.
00:41:02.000I'm just, I think you are overly ascribing fault to the United States of America when in reality it's these own broken countries that cannot get their own act together.
00:41:11.000A great example is this, and I'll close with this.
00:41:13.000El Salvador is actually safer than America.
00:41:17.000It has billions of dollars flowing in El Salvador.
00:41:35.000You could be a very wealthy country if you embrace Western market ideas, private property with low crime, and it's not always.
00:41:42.000I mean, in the case of El Salvador, the United States was the reason that the country broke down into gang warfare.
00:41:48.000And now, if you look at the way they were able to turn around, they had to declare a state of emergency just to be able to turn things around.
00:41:54.000It's just like, this is where we're different.