Rand Paul joins the show about all things USAID. The first cabinet official to join the show of this new administration, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Scott Turner, has a great conversation about AFFH, his biography, and more. Then, our Vice President, J.D. Vance, gives a masterclass statesman speech at the Paris Artificial Intelligence Gathering.
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00:00:01.000Senator Rand Paul joins the show about all things USAID. The first cabinet official to join the Charlie Kirk Show of this new administration, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Scott Turner.
00:00:13.000Great conversation about AFFH, his biography, and more.
00:00:16.000Then finally, our Vice President, J.D. Vance, gives a masterclass statesman speech at the Paris Artificial Intelligence.
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00:01:47.000Senator, I am rejoicing in seeing finally the country talking about USAID. You have been leading this charge for your entire senatorial career, trying to get people to care about transgender monkey surgeries in Senegal.
00:02:02.000You did your annual Festivus report, and it seemed as if it just did not quite hit critical mass.
00:02:08.000Now we have a national conversation and action around USAID. I know you have hearings about this tomorrow about Doge and USAID, but first, Senator, remind our audience about your great work on USAID and why you have done so much work trying to expose it.
00:02:23.000We've been talking for a decade or more about the idea that when we run a deficit here at home, we shouldn't be borrowing money to send it anywhere.
00:02:31.000So we send money all around the world, but it's all borrowed.
00:02:35.000And now it comes to pass that we find that a lot of the spending is for ridiculous and outrageous things.
00:02:42.000We discovered that $4.8 million was spent for social media influencers in Ukraine.
00:02:49.000We discovered $3 million that was spent on girl-centric climate change in Brazil.
00:02:55.000We discovered $2 million was spent trying to secure the border in Paraguay.
00:03:03.000So the list goes on and on from trans operas to trans comic books, all the craziness.
00:03:09.000Every left-wing idea you can imagine in the last several decades has been funded by the State Department and USAID.
00:03:16.000But finally, you know, with the help of Elon Musk and with the Trump administration putting a padlock on the place, It's all coming out and nobody can defend it because it's so outrageous.
00:03:41.000Meaning, was USAID said, hey, here's $2 billion for this, $500 million for this?
00:03:46.000Or has Congress specifically said, we want to have these outrageous projects?
00:03:52.000Most of the time, money is allocated and USID will get a certain amount of millions or billions of dollars for all of the projects.
00:04:00.000The individual projects are typically decided by the people who work over there.
00:04:04.000But that's why you have to fumigate the place and why I think Rubio is doing a good job of letting most of these people go.
00:04:10.000Most of them are left-wing people promoting an agenda.
00:04:14.000So there is a need for a State Department.
00:04:17.000It's a critical part of our government.
00:04:19.000It should promote peace, diplomacy, Diplomacy discussions, but climate change, girl-centric climate change, influencers, trans operas, have nothing to do with peace or diplomacy.
00:04:30.000They have to do with the left-wing agenda.
00:04:33.000Changing the dollars and reducing the dollars is one way to go at it, but we also need to get rid of the people.
00:04:38.000So I'm completely behind the Trump administration, fumigate the place, clean them out, get rid of these people who aren't really there for diplomacy, but they're there for their left-wing agenda.
00:04:49.000But you're right that a lot of the money isn't specified necessarily when Congress passes a bill, but it's a lot of money.
00:04:55.000We spend about $40 billion on foreign aid, which is mostly USAID, but then it's divided down into these crazy grants.
00:05:05.000And that's why the more we know about the granular detail of how awful these grants are, the more inflamed the American public will be and more they be behind us in trying to reduce the spending over there.
00:05:16.000Just to remind everyone, $1.5 million for advancing DEI in Serbia.
00:05:22.000$2 million for sex changes in Guatemala, $6 million for tourism in Egypt, hundreds of thousands for meals that went to al-Qaeda-affiliated fighters in Syria.
00:05:33.000Senator, one of the more outrageous critiques that those of us that want to see USAID eliminated or even projects like this or DOGE will receive is, oh, that's only $100 million.
00:07:07.000So, Senator, tell us about your hearing tomorrow, what we can expect, and more broadly, how Congress...
00:07:13.000Can buttress up against the incredibly important work of Doge right now?
00:07:17.000So what we're going to do is it'll be a showcase.
00:07:20.000It'll be a showcase for not only what we've found over the last 10 years from our Festivus, our waste report, our grievances about spending, also what Doge is finding, what others are finding.
00:07:31.000And we will have people testify to that.
00:07:34.000And I'm sure the Democrats will bring someone to testify why we need to continue all this aid.
00:07:40.000My point is, even when you get beyond the Outrageous stuff, you know, the parades, the pride parades, and all the other kind of stuff they're doing.
00:07:51.000There is a question, even if it's something valid, like something that we're doing that people would say, oh, that's charitable, should you do that with borrowed money?
00:08:00.000And the example I give is, if you make $25,000 a year and you have just enough money for rent and to pay for your family or for yourself, it's not that much money, would you, when you pass a homeless person, go into the first bank and borrow $1,000 to give it to a homeless person?
00:08:15.000No, that's not the way people operate.
00:08:18.000You have to take care of you and your family first.
00:08:20.000You don't go into debt to help people through charity.
00:08:24.000Charity comes out of what you have left over, what you can save in order to give for charity.
00:08:29.000But the government shouldn't be any different.
00:08:32.000We essentially are borrowing all the money we send to Ukraine, not just charitable money to Ukraine, but all the military, everything we send over there is borrowed.
00:08:40.000We borrow it from China to send it to Ukraine.
00:08:43.000Then everybody complains, what about China?
00:08:45.000How are we going to be strong to stand up to China?
00:09:13.000Send half of it back or most of it back to us and say, we're not going to spend it.
00:09:18.000But then Congress, to make this all lawful and legal, is going to have to vote on what's called a rescission package.
00:09:24.000But the good news is it can be done by simple majority privilege vote, meaning there's no filibuster.
00:09:30.000So if the Trump administration says we're only going to spend half of the USAID money or we're only going to spend a tenth of it, we're going to give 80, 90 percent back.
00:09:39.000A simple majority, which would mean only Republicans in the Senate and the House can rescind that money and we can start saving it.
00:09:46.000So people need to realize this isn't the end of the deal.
00:09:52.000And you have a lot of feckless Republicans up here who, if you watch closely, love USAID, love all the welfare, love all the foreign aid.
00:10:02.000And so we have a big fight on our hands, and the people who watch your show need to realize they need to watch like a hawk their Republican representatives and make sure they will actually vote and cut this spending when it comes back.
00:10:14.000This is so important, and Senator, we could not be more behind you, that the same way that we did full throttle pressure on Bobby Kennedy for HHS or Tulsi Gabbard for DNI or Pete Hegseth for DOD, we need full throttle pressure if there's going to be Republicans that are getting in the way of rescission we need full throttle pressure if there's going to be Republicans that
00:10:34.000Understand that USAID right now that President Trump, Elon Musk, and the entire great team is going after right now is a bipartisan project for the last 30 years.
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00:13:04.000So, Senator, finally, there's been some talk about judicial overreach that would justify ignoring a federal court.
00:13:10.000Do you have any thoughts on that, on the tension between the two branches of government and specifically what's happening with Doge and Doge having access to information?
00:13:34.000I think they were from Israel from maybe when the Romans invaded in 68 A.D. 2,000-year-old scrolls that were burned and they couldn't be read or unraveled or they'd fall apart.
00:13:45.000And this young man, a computer science guy, looked at M.R. We should be lauding him and applauding him for helping Doge to reduce spending problems, and yet the left is doxing him and trying to get him attacked.
00:14:36.000And it became kind of a libertarian cause because He was involved with something that was illegal, a website that had people trading drugs on it.
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00:19:12.000Our next guest has the honor of being our first cabinet official of this new Trump administration on the program, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Scott Turner.
00:19:25.000Great to see you and welcome to the program.
00:20:05.000My mom and dad, who I love so much, they were divorced when I was a young boy.
00:20:10.000And, you know, the stats would say, you know, that the odds were against me, you know, coming from a broken home, being, you know, in that type of situation.
00:20:17.000But I was so blessed, you know, by the Lord to be able to graduate from the University of Illinois.
00:20:23.000To be drafted in the National Football League and play nine seasons for the Redskins, the Chargers, and the Broncos, and then to serve in the Texas House there in District 33 in Northeast Collin County in Rockwall County.
00:20:36.000And then after that, Charlie, you know, I was honored to work with Dr. Carson and his team to lead the White House Opportunity and Revitalization Council, which dealt primarily with the Opportunity Zone policy in the first Trump administration.
00:20:50.000And so I'm grateful to the president for that opportunity.
00:20:52.000And now here, you know, back again to serve the American people.
00:20:57.000My wife, Robin, and I are so honored and humbled to be able to be here and be a servant leader of HUD and work with this incredible team to serve the most vulnerable in our country as it pertains to housing.
00:21:29.000You offered and ordered a secretarial order directing HUD to halt all payment and further enforcement to HUD's 2016 rule entitled Equal Access in Accordance with an Individual's Gender Identity.
00:21:42.000Tell us about this monumental order that you issued.
00:21:45.000Well, Charlie, you know, we do, we want to uphold, you know, one, first, you know, what the Bible says about, you know, the sex, there's male and female.
00:21:54.000And also with President Trump's leadership, you know, and really nailing down from a government standpoint, you know, there's two sexes, male and female.
00:22:02.000And so when you have HUD-funded shelters, for instance, when you have a shelter that is for women, we want to make sure that those shelters, the leadership of those shelters can properly identify the people coming in to those shelters.
00:22:16.000Men should not be entering into a woman-only shelter.
00:22:23.000Women should not be able to enter into a women-only shelter.
00:22:26.000A lot of times, women that are in these situations are there because they have experienced very difficult situations like domestic violence, which I know about.
00:22:37.000And so we want to protect the ladies of our country that are in these situations, that are in these shelters and know that they're in a safe place to where they can receive help and need in very difficult times.
00:22:49.000And so we're very not just proud, but we're very strongly supportive of tearing down the equal access rule and protecting the ladies that are in these women only shelters and beyond.
00:23:01.000You have said repeatedly that HUD has failed at its mission of serving the most vulnerable in our nation in the name of far left gender ideology.
00:23:12.000Well, you know, just in the first week, you know, after we took down the equal access rule, you know, the people on the left, the liberals on the left, they came after my Instagram and they took my Instagram down.
00:23:24.000It's up again, you know, because we're going to continue this work.
00:23:29.000It's about policy and it's about people and HUD, regardless of record funding.
00:23:35.000For housing affordability, for homelessness, regardless of record funding, we are not serving or have not been up to this point serving the amount of people that we've been called to serve.
00:23:47.000And so that's why we're here, you know, to make sure that we're maximizing the resources and maximizing the budget here at HUD and all of our personnel, all of our team members for this commission that we've been called to to serve the people of this country.
00:24:05.000Charlie, to get everybody on one sound, one team, one voice moving, taking inventory at HUD to make sure the programs that we have here are doing exactly what they're supposed to do.
00:24:16.000And the ones that aren't doing that, then you know what?
00:24:20.000Here just recently, working with those and the team at HUD, we have found $260 million in savings on contracts alone.
00:24:30.000You know, so with President Trump's leadership and finding...
00:24:34.000All the waste, fraud, and abuse and streamlining our processes.
00:24:38.000I'm happy to announce that we have found $260 million in savings already and to soon find more so that we're good stewards over taxpayer dollars.
00:25:17.000If every agency does their part for 10%, if every agency does their part, then we go from a $1.3 trillion deficit down to under a trillion.
00:25:27.000I mean, we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars that we could save.
00:25:37.000And, you know, thank you for putting that together because that makes it real.
00:25:40.000And, you know, we have a tremendous team here at HUD, and we're serious about...
00:25:45.000Being faithful stewards over taxpayer dollars.
00:25:49.000You know, the American people work very hard to pay taxes and to support the services.
00:25:54.000And I'm speaking from a HUD standpoint.
00:25:57.000And so, you know, our entire team, you know, we're very serious about being good servant leaders.
00:26:03.000And just like we manage our own personal finances, you know, we want to make sure that we continue to identify, you know, savings at HUD so that we can serve the people that we've been called to serve.
00:26:15.000So, Mr. Secretary, I want to dive deeper into one of the other elements here.
00:26:21.000AFFH. What is AFFH and why should our audience be aware of it?
00:26:28.000Really, Charlie, from a 30,000-foot view, it re-engineers neighborhoods and localities and states.
00:26:36.000So if a locality is receiving HUD funding, it has to apply to the rules and regulations from AFFH, which it makes it harder for localities to build.
00:26:48.000It makes it harder to build single-family homes.
00:26:54.000People on the left and on the right don't like it, even if they don't say they don't, because it makes it very, very hard.
00:27:03.000Russ Vogt and our director of Vogt from the OMB and myself, according to the president's leadership, we are going after AFFH to restore the power, the flexibility, the rulemaking authority back to localities, back to states, because they understand their needs.
00:27:21.000They understand the needs they have in their local neighborhoods.
00:27:25.000And so the federal government should not be heavy-handed mandating how people zone or how people build in different localities.
00:27:49.000We want to restore the American dream to the suburban neighborhoods of America, you know, to build single-family homes so that people can be on a pathway to home ownership.
00:27:58.000And when you have these burdensome and regulatory policies, it makes it that much harder to do so.
00:28:07.000So thank you for bringing it up, Charlie, because we're very excited about going out to AFFH.
00:28:32.000So when you look at HUD, you know, HUD's mission is to serve, you know, low to moderate and very low-income people in our country as it pertains to housing.
00:28:41.000Housing affordability right now is at an all-time high.
00:28:47.000Homelessness, according to the latest report that was put out in December, you know, hundreds of thousands, over 700,000 people in our country homeless on a single night in January of 2024. The three top-line missions of HUD. And so we want to come in and take inventory, take an assessment of all of these programs, see, are we serving the people that we've been called to serve?
00:29:11.000And if we are not, how can we do better?
00:29:13.000How can we better position ourselves to decrease and eradicate homelessness, including veteran homelessness, including family homelessness?
00:29:22.000How can we bring down the cost of home affordability and bring up the supply and restore local control?
00:29:30.000And working with localities to build affordable and workforce housing.
00:29:34.000How do we help those who have been hit by natural disasters around our country to rebuild their families, to restore their businesses?
00:29:45.000And so for the people who are listening to this time we have together, Charlie, I hope that they will understand that here at HUD, our heart is for the American people.
00:29:54.000Our mission is to help the American people, not to stay on government subsidies, but to get off of government subsidies and fulfill the American dream of fulfill their God given potential and get on a way to self sustainability and not just survive in America, but to thrive in America.
00:30:11.000And so myself and our entire team here at HUD, that is our heart.
00:30:16.000And that's what we're going to do in the days ahead.
00:30:18.000And I'm looking And I thank the president for his leadership and giving me this opportunity and our team this opportunity to lead HUD. Mr. Secretary, we are behind you 100%.
00:30:30.000Thank you for your energy and your commitment to the American people and good luck.
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00:33:49.000This administration wants to be very clear about one last point.
00:33:52.000We will always center American workers in our AI policy.
00:33:57.000We refuse to view AI as a purely disruptive technology that will inevitably automate away our labor force.
00:34:05.000We believe, and we will fight for policies that ensure that AI is going to make our workers more productive, and we expect that they will reap the rewards with higher wages, better benefits, and safer and more prosperous communities.
00:34:20.000It's not about replacing, it's about amplifying.
00:34:23.000it's not about substituting it's about flourishing that's a different moral contract than some of the little gremlins that are running around silicon valley talking about a hyper robotic world no no we have a obligation to the worker it's a contrast of the doom and gloom america is the most innovative country in history but our innovation has always been to help ordinary people play cut 71 now we've also watched
00:34:51.000As hostile foreign adversaries have weaponized AI software to rewrite history, surveil users, and censor speech.
00:35:01.000As they do with other tech, some authoritarian regimes have stolen and used AI to strengthen their military intelligence and surveillance capabilities, capture foreign data, and create propaganda to undermine other nations' national security.
00:35:20.000This administration will block such efforts full stop.
00:35:24.000And finally, cut 90. I couldn't help but think of the conference today.
00:35:30.000If we choose the wrong approach on other things that could be conceived of as dangerous, things like AI, and choose to hold ourselves back, it will alter not only our GDP or the stock market, but the very future of the project that Lafayette and the American founders set off to create.
00:35:50.000Now, this doesn't mean, of course, that all concerns about safety go out the window.
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