The Charlie Kirk Show - Brandon Tatum Confronts Conspiracy Theories

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00:01:09.000 Welcome back, hour two of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:09.000 All right.

00:01:12.000 Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show, back for hour two, along with Jack Pasovic, as you already heard.

00:01:17.000 And join in studio.

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00:01:21.000 Okay, here we go.

00:01:23.000 Already starts, huh?

00:01:24.000 Already starts.

00:01:24.000 The anti-American.

00:01:25.000 You don't get the Ustad.

00:01:26.000 Oh, okay.

00:01:27.000 No formal.

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00:01:30.000 We're joined also by the great Brandon Tatum, the officer, Brandon Tatum.

00:01:34.000 Welcome back, man.

00:01:35.000 Thank you.

00:01:36.000 Thank you for having me.

00:01:36.000 Thank you.

00:01:37.000 It's great having you in Phoenix area because, you know, just like, hey, come on over.

00:01:41.000 Yeah, I'm just up the road, man.

00:01:43.000 Yeah.

00:01:43.000 I mean, I don't think you live particularly close to the studio, so it still is a bit of a sacrifice, but we appreciate it, man.

00:01:49.000 No, it's my pleasure.

00:01:50.000 Well, listen, man, you have been, I mean, I don't want to give some of these people too much time.

00:01:56.000 It's not my job to do that.

00:01:59.000 But you have been tremendous.

00:02:01.000 I think in the aftermath, in the aftermath of Charlie's assassination and some of the conspiracy theories that have been spreading, you have been tremendous in just adding a voice of common sense, I would say, because you were an officer.

00:02:17.000 You had investigated crime scenes.

00:02:19.000 You've investigated murders.

00:02:20.000 You've investigated, you've been the first guy on a scene that has to make sense of what's just happened.

00:02:26.000 And I think you have brought so much just, I say common sense, but really just wisdom and kind of a calm, steady voice.

00:02:35.000 And I think more people need to know about your videos.

00:02:37.000 I think more people need to be watching you on YouTube because it's weird when you're in this situation and you talk to people that actually know what they're talking about or that were there or that you, I mean, all of our friends were there.

00:02:51.000 But then you, so you have the firsthand accounts.

00:02:53.000 Then you actually have, there's a legal team that's coordinating with the authorities and you see it all and then you see what people are saying online.

00:03:01.000 You're like, well, that's not true.

00:03:02.000 That's not true.

00:03:05.000 And, you know, and then you're, you know, we're in a position where, yeah, it's an ongoing investigation.

00:03:10.000 There's only so much we can say.

00:03:12.000 There's, you know, things that could be said and used against us in the court of law if we say certain things.

00:03:17.000 But you've been tremendous.

00:03:18.000 And I just wanted to say thank you for that.

00:03:21.000 And, you know, from that vantage point, tell us like kind of what you're seeing.

00:03:26.000 What are some of the common mistakes that people are making and kind of as they're processing this?

00:03:31.000 And I just want to say one last thing and then I'm throwing it to you.

00:03:34.000 I do have a lot of grace for because a lot of people out there are not investigators.

00:03:40.000 They don't have a law enforcement background and they love Charlie and they want to get truth.

00:03:44.000 So I do have a lot of grace.

00:03:44.000 They want to get justice.

00:03:45.000 I understand why there's distrust, but please, the floor is yours.

00:03:48.000 Well, thank you so much for saying that.

00:03:50.000 You know, this stuff is very simple.

00:03:52.000 You know, all you have to do is have some type of experience like I do.

00:03:56.000 I was trained on investigating.

00:03:57.000 I investigated crimes myself.

00:03:59.000 If I testified in court, and you have that, plus you have wisdom and you're reasonable and you believe in God.

00:04:05.000 So then you have godly wisdom in how you should articulate or put out information or disseminate information to the people that God is giving you that follows you.

00:04:13.000 And like you said, Andrew, like I understand that people are hurting and people are looking for answers and people don't know what they're talking about a lot of the times and they're doing it in good faith, but they're just lost.

00:04:25.000 It's like almost every police shooting that I cover.

00:04:27.000 A lot of people don't understand use of force policy.

00:04:29.000 They don't understand the law.

00:04:30.000 They don't understand how the law is prosecuted.

00:04:32.000 And so they are off on it, even though they have good intentions.

00:04:35.000 Now, there's a difference between someone who's off on it in good faith with good intentions versus someone who knows better and just out there spewing hatred and stupidity because they want to get clicks and subscribers and make money off of it.

00:04:48.000 That is the difference.

00:04:49.000 That is the difference between the anger point for me is that if somebody just don't know, I get it.

00:04:53.000 I mean, people don't understand investigations, but then people who should know better that saying it is the ones that bother me the most.

00:04:59.000 This stuff is very simple.

00:05:01.000 You're like, if you really want to know what's going on in the case as a civilian person, right?

00:05:06.000 We don't have access to records that they've submitted to court.

00:05:11.000 We don't have text messages.

00:05:12.000 We haven't.

00:05:13.000 None of these people that are out here talking has interviewed anybody.

00:05:15.000 Witnesses, suspects, parents, they have no evidence.

00:05:19.000 They didn't look at forensics.

00:05:21.000 So they have no idea what they're talking about.

00:05:23.000 However, if you, as a civilian person, if you want to know or get a synopsis of what could happen and what evidence they may have, read the affidavit.

00:05:31.000 Read the probable cause statement that was submitted to court.

00:05:34.000 When you write a probable cause statement as a law enforcement agency, you cannot lie or deceive or put information in that's not true.

00:05:43.000 Because when you get to trial and they have the initial hearing, if you don't have evidence to what you've said, which you've sworn under penalty of perjury, that is true, your case is completely thrown out.

00:05:56.000 And you cannot convince me somebody like Kesh Patel and those guys are willing to throw away their entire career and legacy to botch the most important case of our lifetime.

00:06:06.000 It just wouldn't happen.

00:06:07.000 Can I ask you?

00:06:08.000 Go ahead.

00:06:08.000 You know, and in cases you've covered or worked on, you know, worked on directly or covered.

00:06:13.000 And I know you obviously you mentioned policing.

00:06:15.000 You have covered so many use of force cases, which is another example where misinformation comes up so many times and people believe their, you know, choose your own narrative.

00:06:24.000 It almost comes to.

00:06:26.000 Have you ever seen a case where a father turn his own son into law enforcement like this?

00:06:34.000 Because I've been scratching my brain and that's really not something you see a lot.

00:06:38.000 Yeah, I've never, now, it could be possible, depending on if the father was involved in something, you know, all of that stuff.

00:06:45.000 But in this case, that's not the case, right?

00:06:47.000 This is not a lover's triangle or something weird situation where the dad is involved in the crime.

00:06:53.000 This is a mom who identified.

00:06:55.000 You got to think, the FBI didn't catch him initially.

00:06:58.000 They didn't know who he was.

00:06:59.000 So for 33 hours, Tyler Robinson is on the loose.

00:07:01.000 He's on the loose.

00:07:02.000 And they have these images that are so.

00:07:04.000 And they're getting tips online too.

00:07:05.000 People don't understand that they got 10,000 tips or something like that, which they followed up on.

00:07:09.000 But he's online.

00:07:10.000 He's out there and they haven't identified him yet.

00:07:12.000 His mother identifies him.

00:07:15.000 She confirms with his father that it's him.

00:07:17.000 The father convinces him to turn himself in.

00:07:20.000 They communicate with the deputy sheriff, a neighbor, who coordinated him to turn himself in without obviously the SWAT team coming to his house and doing a dynamic entry.

00:07:30.000 So I find it to be unreasonable to believe that somehow his dad is want to get him the death penalty for what reason?

00:07:40.000 When you turn your son in knowing that he committed a crime such as this, which is an assassination, an intentional murder, he premeditated it, and he did it for political reasons.

00:07:50.000 When you say, I'm going to turn my son into the authorities, you are turning him in knowing he can get the death penalty.

00:07:56.000 No father would do that unless they are pretty confident that their son has done this.

00:08:00.000 Now, according to the FBI, he actually confessed to his parents that he did it.

00:08:05.000 Now, there's a difference between a confession and pleading not guilty in the court of law.

00:08:10.000 A person can confess to their parents, but you can plead not guilty because you want to not, you know, end up getting a death penalty.

00:08:16.000 So in my opinion, I think the fight is not whether he's guilty or not.

00:08:20.000 The fight is to try to not allow him to get the death penalty, which is why they didn't want the cameras in the court, which is why they wanted to dress in plain clothes.

00:08:27.000 You're making way too much sense.

00:08:28.000 And by the way, I was thinking about it.

00:08:29.000 You're making way too much sense.

00:08:30.000 Brandon Tatum, stop making so much sense.

00:08:34.000 In addition to that, we have that Discord chat that came out where he said, you know, I don't have it in front of you, but it's something to the extent of, hey, guys, I don't know if you saw the news, but it was me in Utah.

00:08:45.000 They had 20 people on their Discord chat, which the FBI is investigating all 20 of them.

00:08:50.000 And the thing is, people don't understand forensics, right?

00:08:53.000 There's a forensic extraction of all the content on Discord from his communication with that chat and every chat he's been on and all 20 people in every chat that they've been on.

00:09:02.000 Also, the electronic communication between him and his boyfriend or girlfriend or whatever it is.

00:09:07.000 It's a boy, the transgender person. 0.99

00:09:09.000 The communication that people don't have access to because they showed a synopsis.

00:09:13.000 But they have extracted all the content from his phone and the other guy's phone in the relationship.

00:09:18.000 And also, no one, I know that it, so some people that have never investigated anything and they look at, they say, well, it's kind of confusing the way he's communicating with the transgender person.

00:09:28.000 But unless you have evidence of how he communicates in his other text communication, you cannot make a true judgment on whether or not it's suspicious him using the word vehicle and different things of that nature.

00:09:40.000 Well, and not only that, but you're talking forensics, but that would also, that would also go into my, now, my experience is more okoness, right?

00:09:46.000 Because as an Intel officer, but it's, you know, a lot of the same metadata, the same electronic collection that we'd be using.

00:09:53.000 So they could track his cell phone.

00:09:55.000 And if he had gone to that, that, and there's this new witness that's come out that said they spotted someone on that roof.

00:10:01.000 I think it was a week prior.

00:10:02.000 And they're going to, what, of course, they're going to do with that cell phone, track the forensics.

00:10:06.000 Okay, did he go a week prior?

00:10:08.000 Was that him?

00:10:10.000 They made a statement at the affidavit that they submitted to the court that he did.

00:10:13.000 They found on his phone searches and Google Maps searches of that university.

00:10:18.000 And they can tell if he's searching that, how much time he spends on the site.

00:10:22.000 And all of those things are part of the investigation.

00:10:24.000 If people would just let them do their job, and if in the court of law with cross-examination, they're not doing the job properly, then let's go after them and judge them on that.

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00:11:39.000 So, Jack, you got a little bit of breaking news here I want to get to.

00:11:42.000 Yeah, so there is a letter coming out of Germany, of Hamburg, Germany, where a AFD, so a right-wing politician's car was just firebombed.

00:11:52.000 And there's a letter that's been now posted claiming responsibility for the attack, saying it was carried out by members of the Antifa network in Hamburg, Germany.

00:12:02.000 Folks remember at the White House recently, I was telling the President of the United States to his face that Antifa was formed in Germany.

00:12:10.000 This has been their base of operations, the foreign terrorist organization.

00:12:14.000 And there's a full-long letter explaining how they conducted this attack.

00:12:17.000 It was engulfed by flames.

00:12:18.000 I don't believe anyone was hurt, but it was a firebombing.

00:12:22.000 But listen to this line because they made a specific direct reference to Charlie in this line released by Antifa.

00:12:30.000 All you MAGA freaks will follow Kirk into hell. 1.00

00:12:38.000 And that's being put out directly by Antifa, directly by their German arm after conducting a targeted assassination attempt, a firebombing on a car.

00:12:48.000 No injuries didn't work.

00:12:51.000 I think they got the car, but no one was in it when it went off.

00:12:54.000 So I'm not sure what happened there.

00:12:55.000 So this is the thing.

00:12:56.000 They have gone off early.

00:12:57.000 This is what bothers me.

00:12:58.000 There was that Aaron Burnett clip that went around.

00:13:00.000 And I do want to keep getting into some of the actual specifics of the case with you and get your officer brain on them, Tatum here.

00:13:08.000 But this is what bothers me.

00:13:10.000 There was an Aaron Burnett clip that went around saying, like, oh, well, we all know that political violence comes from the right because there was this SPLC study that didn't include all the Tesla firebombings or anything like that.

00:13:22.000 And it was, oh, it was run by an Antifa guy that had connections to Antifa.

00:13:26.000 The point is, she also referenced the fact that they don't have a hierarchy like the Proud Boys or whatever, right?

00:13:32.000 So she's, she, and what they have to understand is that this is an ideology that is intentionally, well, it's a network that's an intentionally decentralized movement without a hierarchy that you would see at a corporate boardroom or something, right?

00:13:49.000 Because the ideology is so pervasive and so powerful when you fully buy into it.

00:13:54.000 You don't need to be manually pushing the buttons internationally to make people do this crazy stuff.

00:14:01.000 What they do is they spread information.

00:14:03.000 They have literature in Seattle and Portland.

00:14:05.000 They even have bookstores in Chicago, New York, same, where they have bookstores where they spread this anti-fascist literature in their pamphlets, in their books.

00:14:15.000 There's Dr. Antifa out of Rutgers that's part of this network.

00:14:18.000 We're going to get this video up.

00:14:20.000 I mean, this car and a few cars next to it are just burned to a crisp.

00:14:24.000 The whole engine block is gone.

00:14:27.000 If people had been in these cars, they'd all be dead.

00:14:30.000 This is real.

00:14:30.000 Right.

00:14:32.000 It's very interesting that somehow we missed this in America in the conversation that's being had on social media.

00:14:39.000 I don't know why we're kind of passively allowing Antifa and these knuckleheads to kind of get away with what they have been doing and the threats that they've made.

00:14:48.000 These people are nutty.

00:14:49.000 And this is one of the reasons why I'm quite convinced that the gentleman that's, well, I wouldn't call him a gentleman.

00:14:56.000 I really can't stand him.

00:14:58.000 But the person that killed Charlie, the reason why I'm very convinced that he is the one that did it, because that ideology is consistent with violence.

00:15:07.000 They tried to kill other politicians.

00:15:10.000 Obviously, he assassinated Charlie.

00:15:13.000 They wish that they can do it to more people.

00:15:17.000 This is their ideology.

00:15:18.000 This is what they represent.

00:15:20.000 This is the hatred that's in their hearts for people like us who are just exposing truth and standing up for American values.

00:15:27.000 And their whole intent is to eliminate us.

00:15:30.000 They mock Charlie after his death.

00:15:33.000 They go on Halloween and have these costumes with, you know, kind of showing a death similar to Charlie.

00:15:40.000 You got the school board or teachers here in Vale school district in Tucson that were all dressed up like Charlie that got killed.

00:15:48.000 You know, and it's crazy.

00:15:49.000 That particular story, I'm holding out some hope.

00:15:53.000 No teacher should be dressing like Charlie.

00:15:55.000 First of all, whatever it is.

00:15:56.000 They said they dressed that way last year.

00:15:58.000 Oh, so after Trump got shot, they dressed that way.

00:16:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:00.000 Right.

00:16:01.000 So here's my theory on it, by the way, because I took a bunch of incoming on it over the weekend for outing these teachers.

00:16:07.000 First of all, I've never been into the blood and gore thing for Halloween, let alone when you have teachers that are supposed to be raising the next generation doing the blood and gore thing.

00:16:18.000 I'm trying to give some space because some people don't make that connection, okay?

00:16:22.000 But for example, we were doing trick-or-treating this weekend and we came up to a house.

00:16:27.000 Most of them were like fun, fairy tale houses.

00:16:29.000 There was a Barbie house.

00:16:30.000 Like, okay, you're not in a Barbie, but at least it's not creepy and weird.

00:16:32.000 That we came up to this one with this guy who literally had like a demon head, like a second head that he'd prostate, like a prosthetic that he had.

00:16:40.000 And it was creepy and dark.

00:16:41.000 And my wife looked at me and she goes, we're avoiding that house.

00:16:45.000 Don't go anywhere near it.

00:16:46.000 And I was like, absolutely.

00:16:47.000 So we took our kids around the other way.

00:16:49.000 But I want to make sure that I finish this point.

00:16:52.000 The dark, creepy aspect of Halloween is not cool.

00:16:57.000 Okay, first of all.

00:16:58.000 So for a bunch of teachers to be that tone deaf, especially after the political assassination of the most famous political figure in the state of Arizona, not to mention it was a worldwide phenomenon.

00:17:12.000 You can't claim ignorance about this.

00:17:14.000 Blood streaked down the left side of your shirt.

00:17:17.000 And not to mention, how many teachers, professors, have we seen?

00:17:21.000 Lucy Martinez in Chicago doing the handgun meme to her neck, who's still employed, by the way, at Nathan Hale Elementary School.

00:17:28.000 Other Charlie Kirk costumes all weekend that we have seen.

00:17:31.000 Dozens and dozens.

00:17:32.000 I've seen so many TikToks about just crappy human garbage mocking Charlie's death as a Halloween costume, which is just vile.

00:17:42.000 So you see all of this bloodstained down.

00:17:44.000 Okay, here's my most generous reading of this.

00:17:48.000 There are some that probably just thought it was a fun, bloody, gory kind of Halloween thing, right?

00:17:54.000 They like the nightmare on Elm Street kind of Halloween version, right?

00:18:00.000 My kids want to dress up like princesses and ninjas, okay?

00:18:03.000 That whole dark and bloody thing is not my thing.

00:18:06.000 My most generous reading, though, is that there's some teachers that just went along with it, and there was probably one or two that really were the ringleaders and liked it, and they convinced the rest of the, there's eight of them to do it, okay?

00:18:18.000 You cannot convince me that some of those teachers in that picture knew exactly how it was going to be perceived.

00:18:24.000 And here's my proof.

00:18:25.000 As soon as it went up on Facebook's, on their Facebook channel, Vale Schools or whatever, they took it down instantly because somebody with a brain looked at that and thought, probably not a good look to have blood streaked down the left side of their body, have eight of them going problem solved.

00:18:43.000 They knew.

00:18:44.000 Somebody knew, all right?

00:18:46.000 Yeah, you could throw the image up there.

00:18:48.000 I'm not trying to dox anybody.

00:18:49.000 I'm not trying to hurt innocent people.

00:18:52.000 But here's the thing.

00:18:53.000 This is, first of all, inappropriate for public school teachers.

00:18:57.000 Can I understand?

00:18:58.000 Because I saw them saying it was a reference to math problems.

00:19:01.000 And I'm a guy who, look, I like Halloween.

00:19:05.000 I've gone to, I go to haunted houses, whatever.

00:19:07.000 We did Eastern State Penitentiary, Philly Tradition last week.

00:19:10.000 I just don't get what this has to do with, like, I don't get, like, is this a reference to Michael Myers or Jason?

00:19:19.000 Why would a teacher be wearing this?

00:19:20.000 They want to get that.

00:19:21.000 They wanted plausible deniability, right?

00:19:23.000 So they figured, we're going to do this anyway to mock Charlie.

00:19:27.000 And then as soon as they come back to us, this is our excuse we're going to make.

00:19:31.000 There's no reason whatsoever that they have a shirt that's draped in blood on the left side, which is the side that Charlie was shot on.

00:19:37.000 And that's the side where he bled from.

00:19:39.000 Well, this is so excuse.

00:19:40.000 It's almost consistent with what we saw from Charlie and the fact that they said problem solved.

00:19:45.000 We have people online right after Charlie's death saying problem solved with mockery of Charlie's death.

00:19:52.000 Well, and here's their excuse is that it's a shirt that's sold on Amazon.

00:19:52.000 It's exactly what they're doing.

00:19:56.000 And there was like, somebody was like, look, it looks like a lot of these shirts have been sold.

00:20:01.000 And it was like, I don't know, 50 over two years or something.

00:20:03.000 I was like, that's not a lot of shit.

00:20:04.000 That's not a lot of shirts.

00:20:05.000 Anyways, yeah.

00:20:07.000 And by the way, so the Vail School District responded.

00:20:10.000 I want to make sure that we're covering this as we should.

00:20:14.000 I was very clear, by the way, in the tweets.

00:20:16.000 As soon as they responded, I put it up and I updated the thread.

00:20:20.000 It says, we understand that a recent social media post showing members of Cienega's math department wearing shirts that say problem solved has caused some confusion and concern.

00:20:28.000 The shirts were worn in reference to solving math problems.

00:20:31.000 Any reference that these shirts were related to something other than that are simply false and untrue.

00:20:35.000 The staff wearing them care deeply about children.

00:20:38.000 We're not intended as a reference to any person of any political issue.

00:20:40.000 We apologize that the wearing of these shirts caused concern and were upsetting to some.

00:20:44.000 That was absolutely not the intent of those who wore them.

00:20:46.000 We are sorry, and the shirts will not be worn again.

00:20:48.000 This is a hard lesson for us all, but more thought and care need to be taken in these times.

00:20:54.000 I agree with that.

00:20:55.000 I'm actually glad they took a little bit of responsibility.

00:20:57.000 That's BS to me.

00:20:58.000 And in my opinion, it's BS.

00:21:00.000 They didn't mention Charlie now one time.

00:21:02.000 And we know that's a reference to Charlie.

00:21:04.000 They know it's a reference to Charlie because people had said it.

00:21:06.000 If they really cared, they would have made a statement to say, we do not condone this.

00:21:10.000 We did not feel this way about Charlie Kirk.

00:21:12.000 Charlie Kirk was XYZ.

00:21:14.000 He was an Arizona native.

00:21:15.000 They would have framed it that way.

00:21:18.000 But they're lying.

00:21:19.000 Like I said, a plausible deniability.

00:21:20.000 These people concocted a scene that they could post and then step back and say, oh, no, we didn't mean that.

00:21:28.000 What does blood and gore, blood-draped shirt have to do with math?

00:21:32.000 You are murdering math?

00:21:35.000 Problem solved is a solution, not a related to murder.

00:21:38.000 I think they did say that this guy from the school district said they will not be wearing the shirts again.

00:21:43.000 Well, why not?

00:21:44.000 If you did nothing wrong, and if it's just by the way, yeah, I got community noted on this because it was like the problem-solved t-shirt predates Charlie Kirk's death.

00:21:44.000 Why not?

00:21:53.000 Assertions that it mocks him are misleading.

00:21:55.000 I don't think it's misleading at all, actually, but whatever.

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00:23:16.000 This problem solved t-shirt thing was just absolutely garbage.

00:23:20.000 But here's the thing.

00:23:21.000 I don't want to hurt innocent people.

00:23:23.000 For that, I genuinely, if there are teachers in that picture, because you know, like, I get it.

00:23:30.000 Math teachers kind of can be maybe a little dorky, like, you know, this guy right there.

00:23:33.000 You know, okay, I get it.

00:23:35.000 Like, I genuinely don't want to hurt them.

00:23:37.000 That's not my heart.

00:23:38.000 My heart is to call out evil to confront evil.

00:23:41.000 And so, if there were people in that picture that didn't mean any harm by it or just didn't make the connection, I genuinely am sorry to them.

00:23:48.000 But I don't believe for a second that there aren't people in that picture that knew exactly the room a little bit, guys.

00:23:54.000 Read the freaking room.

00:23:56.000 The biggest, largest political assassination, the most high-profile in a generation since the 1960s in this country, who happens to be my dear friend, my partner and colleague, and all of these things.

00:24:06.000 Like, I'm sorry if I get a little bit primed and I'm a little bit upset about it.

00:24:10.000 It's the same design as the Freedom shirt.

00:24:12.000 That's that's the reason that it seems directly and then they didn't upload it more recently.

00:24:19.000 So they said that they wore it last year.

00:24:19.000 Well, don't they?

00:24:21.000 So I waited and waited.

00:24:23.000 And then I, I, I mean, listen, in my inbox, my DMs are flooded with people like, don't, don't believe them.

00:24:28.000 It's, it's AI.

00:24:29.000 And look at this foot and look at this.

00:24:31.000 So, but I mean, I have no idea.

00:24:33.000 The point is, I saw what looked to be a credible reference to last year, so I updated the thread.

00:24:39.000 And, you know, people are coming after me for that too.

00:24:41.000 But it's like, listen, I'm just trying to be a good faith operator.

00:24:44.000 I'm posting what I believe to be the same image from last year, but I still like, and everybody then made the point: like, whoa, after Trump's assassination attempt, like, yeah, like, still inappropriate that year.

00:24:58.000 I mean, and I just keep coming back to this point.

00:25:00.000 This is where I'll leave it.

00:25:01.000 In school shootings, too, by the way.

00:25:03.000 No, exactly.

00:25:04.000 You're teachers and you're dressing up like diagrams.

00:25:06.000 This is my school studio.

00:25:08.000 I just, I don't know.

00:25:09.000 Find me an image of like a just a run-of-the-mill teacher from the like 50s, 60s, or 70s.

00:25:15.000 Like, just find me something.

00:25:16.000 And then, so give me an image.

00:25:18.000 My kids' school did Halloween.

00:25:20.000 You didn't have any teachers dressed like blood and gore.

00:25:23.000 They dressed like crayons.

00:25:25.000 No, they dressed like crayons.

00:25:26.000 You know, here's what I'd say.

00:25:26.000 That's it.

00:25:28.000 What this actually does is it exposes a deeper flaw in our education system.

00:25:33.000 That if you're a public school teacher and you think that this is an okay way to celebrate Halloween with blood and gore, I get it.

00:25:41.000 The country has lost its mooring, and there's going to be dozens and hundreds of whatever people out in the audience that think I'm crazy for saying that.

00:25:48.000 I don't, like, I'm telling you, that is not an appropriate way to dress for Halloween.

00:25:52.000 You're going to be teaching kids.

00:25:53.000 I just thank God.

00:25:54.000 I just thank God that it could have been a lot worse, man.

00:25:57.000 They could have been wearing Star Wars costumes.

00:26:00.000 I'm just saying.

00:26:00.000 Just saying.

00:26:01.000 No, but it's like Halloween.

00:26:03.000 If it's fun dress up, that's cool.

00:26:05.000 Blood and gore, it's not my thing, especially if you're supposed to be teaching kids.

00:26:08.000 You know, the kids can't.

00:26:09.000 I bet you they don't have any pictures of kids going to school with blood and gore because it's probably prohibited.

00:26:13.000 You probably send them out.

00:26:15.000 It's prohibited.

00:26:15.000 Okay.

00:26:15.000 Now compare this to a teacher in the 1950s.

00:26:18.000 Look at how far our culture has fallen.

00:26:21.000 Like, this is the 1950s.

00:26:22.000 That was your school teacher in the 1950s.

00:26:25.000 Now go to the blood and gore one.

00:26:26.000 Remember Christmas story when he's now go to 115.

00:26:29.000 Compare, contrast.

00:26:30.000 This is that you want to know why we're a nation in decline, sadly, is because that is seen as okay.

00:26:36.000 I'm not saying that all of these people were mocking Charlie.

00:26:40.000 I don't know their hearts.

00:26:41.000 I'm not, I don't know.

00:26:42.000 But just compare and contrast.

00:26:44.000 Go back to the 1950s, lady. 0.83

00:26:46.000 Yeah, we have fallen.

00:26:48.000 We are missing something crucial, and it's called dignity, self-respect.

00:26:52.000 Which way, Western man, which way?

00:26:54.000 Which way?

00:26:55.000 And then back in the day, we never knew our teacher's first name.

00:26:55.000 Let me add this.

00:26:59.000 Nobody ever knew their first name.

00:27:00.000 That's so true.

00:27:01.000 And we would treat them with respect.

00:27:03.000 We didn't know who they were married to. 1.00

00:27:04.000 We really didn't even know who they were married to unless their husband worked at the school.

00:27:07.000 So we weren't in their business.

00:27:08.000 Now the kids are knowing what sexual orientation the teachers are, if they got boyfriend, you know, all this old crazy stuff.

00:27:16.000 And I think that we've gone in a sense of decline.

00:27:18.000 You know, I would still challenge those people, even though somebody may want to give them grace and say they wore it last year or whatever the case may be.

00:27:25.000 Yeah, you wore it at an inappropriate time last year, and you should be able to read the room this year.

00:27:28.000 Charlie Kirk died.

00:27:29.000 It's a similar shirt.

00:27:30.000 You have to say, hey, let's get different shirts because it's not going to come across well.

00:27:34.000 I mean, it's common sense.

00:27:35.000 And then you cannot tell me at these schools, survey these people.

00:27:39.000 If we had their social media accounts, I bet you some of them celebrated Charlie's death or they did not give him condolences.

00:27:46.000 And we saw how many teachers did.

00:27:48.000 We know what it is.

00:27:48.000 They can lie all they want or whatever.

00:27:50.000 I don't want nobody to get hurt, but I think that they should get exposed.

00:27:53.000 They did actually pull that footage of the car bombing.

00:27:56.000 Do we have it?

00:27:56.000 And I believe we have 114.

00:27:59.000 And I'd love to get Shiget Brandon on this to be able to see, to kind of walk us through.

00:28:04.000 Look at that.

00:28:05.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:28:05.000 That's true.

00:28:07.000 This was not, I mean, to me, this seems like beyond Molotov cocktail level.

00:28:10.000 Oh, no, that was an explosive device.

00:28:13.000 It'd appear because it exploded in the middle and burned through all these cars.

00:28:17.000 I mean, cars really don't, they don't really catch fire like that connected to each other.

00:28:22.000 You know, because you see that one is burned, but this one is half burned.

00:28:25.000 So what would your very, very intense initial explosion for it to get to?

00:28:32.000 Right, right.

00:28:32.000 Kind of right in the middle of those cars, a big explosion, and it engulfed all those cars, and then it spread and stopped at the third car or fourth car and off to the side.

00:28:40.000 But, you know, I'm not sure.

00:28:41.000 You know, I'm not an explosive expert, but that's troubling to see something like this, and people are doing this for their own ridiculous ideology.

00:28:50.000 And now, what if someone had been in there?

00:28:52.000 Let's say that guy, you know, he's waking up, he's going to work, he turns the ignition, and then that happens.

00:28:59.000 What happens to him and possibly his family if they're there?

00:29:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:29:03.000 Obviously, he would be killed, and it'll be a gruesome sight.

00:29:06.000 And, you know, his family would be traumatized forever.

00:29:10.000 I mean, why wouldn't they?

00:29:11.000 Their dad was blown up in a random act of violence because of his political belief systems.

00:29:17.000 You know, it's crazy to me that we don't call these people out more, like somebody said, and I don't like to use the word hate, but let's use the word strongly dislike.

00:29:27.000 We don't strongly dislike them enough.

00:29:31.000 I feel like we give them tacit approval, not us per se, but as a society, we give them tacit approval.

00:29:37.000 Donald Trump said that he was going to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization.

00:29:42.000 At what point are we going to start putting these people in prison?

00:29:45.000 At what point are we going to start doing some due diligence and investigating this stuff?

00:29:48.000 These people, I think there's a network.

00:29:51.000 And I think that Robinson's kid was a part of this network.

00:29:54.000 And I can't prove that, but it appears that this is not a one-off.

00:29:58.000 That's why they're in these threads and they're talking amongst themselves and confessing the stuff because I think they're all like working together and they're chat by group chat by group chat.

00:30:08.000 That's how this thing spreads.

00:30:09.000 And by the way, even if Tyler Robinson was not, you know, formally or didn't consider himself part of Antifa, the ideologies that drive Antifa that motivate them were clearly present in his life.

00:30:21.000 Just look at the bullet case.

00:30:22.000 Or is it possible?

00:30:23.000 And now this, this might be, now we're getting into a more of a lawyer question, but some of the stuff that we're seeing that's come out and more text messages and information that have been, Turkey Tom put out a bunch on his YouTube.

00:30:36.000 He had a leaker come forward.

00:30:39.000 Is it possible that this, the real radical here was Twiggs, was the boyfriend, and then convinces Tyler to conduct this act.

00:30:50.000 And he goes out and does this for him.

00:30:54.000 And they've got drug use, they've got alcohol use, obviously the sexual behavior, all the rest of it coming in.

00:31:02.000 At what point then, if he convinced him to do it, is it a matter where he becomes culpable?

00:31:09.000 You see what I'm getting at?

00:31:10.000 I think that it appears that they do have the text communications already and they haven't indicted the trans boyfriend.

00:31:10.000 Right, 100%.

00:31:17.000 So it appears that they don't have enough evidence to believe that he was complicit in the crime.

00:31:22.000 But they may not have evidence, but you still may be correct.

00:31:25.000 Now, what if he cooperates?

00:31:26.000 What if he cooperates?

00:31:27.000 Now, is there a way that they could sort of make that, you know, if he cooperates fully, is there a way for them to say, all right, you're going to come in, testify, but you got to give us everything.

00:31:38.000 That could be 100% the case.

00:31:40.000 I mean, I have had situations like that where I was a part of an investigation where a guy had a handful of drugs.

00:31:44.000 He was going to do 25 years in prison.

00:31:46.000 Right, right.

00:31:47.000 And he said, I'll give up all the dealers.

00:31:49.000 We took that guy into the headquarters.

00:31:52.000 They get a statement.

00:31:53.000 He walked at the front.

00:31:54.000 And he got caught with a handful of crimes.

00:31:55.000 And that's what I'm saying.

00:31:56.000 If you roll, you get the best deal.

00:31:58.000 And that could be, and he could be under witness protection too, because people are now saying online that the transgender boyfriend is now missing.

00:32:05.000 And it's like, you're not going missing from the FBI if you are a material witness.

00:32:09.000 You're missing from the media.

00:32:10.000 You're missing from the media.

00:32:11.000 Or you may be under witness protection.

00:32:12.000 Right.

00:32:13.000 Which means why people don't have access to you.

00:32:14.000 But that could have been very, well, the case because this is how we see it happening, right?

00:32:18.000 I mean, you have a kid that seemed like he grew up in a normal household, maybe possibly a conservative household.

00:32:22.000 And it's conservative.

00:32:23.000 And all of a sudden, all of a sudden, he's going down this path of woke Antifa ideology.

00:32:28.000 And just so happened, he's in a relationship with one of these transformations.

00:32:31.000 And then you run up with someone who is fully committed, who you then form this, this, I'm just going to say it, this perversive relationship with.

00:32:40.000 And suddenly that person gets, you know, it's grooming.

00:32:43.000 This is how grooming works.

00:32:45.000 You throw into the mix a lot of weird, kinky sex stuff. 1.00

00:32:49.000 You throw into the mix a lot of drugs.

00:32:50.000 You throw into the mix a lot of these Discord chats and all this weird ideologies.

00:32:55.000 And not to mention your Mormonism. 0.50

00:32:58.000 Extreme online, furry, transhumanist pornography.

00:33:02.000 It's a distillation.

00:33:04.000 It's a distillation of just basically everything terrible and horrible all in one ideology.

00:33:09.000 And they all mix and they all come together.

00:33:12.000 It's a confluence of all of this really violent stuff.

00:33:16.000 And this is what, you know, if you could sum up Antifa's ideology in like one sentence, it's basically what they got from this quote from him where he basically says, some hate you just can't negotiate out.

00:33:31.000 Right.

00:33:31.000 And so that is a perfect encapsulation of what Antifa believes.

00:33:35.000 They don't believe in open debate.

00:33:36.000 They don't believe in free dialogue.

00:33:38.000 They don't believe in democracy, candidly.

00:33:41.000 They believe that the system is so evil that some of the people that are pushing this, you know, enforcement of the system are so evil that you cannot negotiate with them.

00:33:50.000 This is what the Antifa handbook is all about from Dr. Mark Bray at Rutgers University, still employed.

00:33:56.000 This is what it's all about.

00:33:57.000 They don't believe that you can be talked to.

00:33:59.000 They don't believe that you're a human.

00:34:00.000 They don't believe that you can be reasoned with.

00:34:01.000 So they're going to try and kill you.

00:34:03.000 They're going to try and hit.

00:34:05.000 Almost like they believe that you're unhuman.

00:34:10.000 Somebody wrote a book last year called Unhumans that explained that this is exactly what they believe.

00:34:15.000 They believe that if you do not follow their ideology, that you are not human, that you are unhuman.

00:34:21.000 Took a lot of flack for that one.

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00:35:22.000 That's if Jack, you've got to get ready for your own show.

00:35:29.000 So we have to get you out of here.

00:35:31.000 We got to.

00:35:31.000 No, no, that's right.

00:35:32.000 I'm going to the human events studio because we've got human events daily coming up.

00:35:37.000 We've got a big pre-election show that we're going to be rocking.

00:35:40.000 Tyler Boyer will be joining me.

00:35:42.000 So I hope everyone can come and check this out.

00:35:45.000 And I appreciate you also mentioned that we have the unhuman.

00:35:49.000 Yeah, throw up the book art, guys.

00:35:51.000 And if anyone, look, if you want to dig into this ideology of hatred, this ideology that views you, if you're a conservative, you're a Christian.

00:35:58.000 If you're white, if you're straight, if you're a male, you are not a human, according to them.

00:36:03.000 And this is an ideology that goes back 250 years.

00:36:07.000 It is basically taking the sin of envy and turning it into a political justification and a moral justification to commit violence and evil.

00:36:16.000 Why do communists still support communism after it's killed 100 million people?

00:36:20.000 Because they view 100 million as a good start.

00:36:24.000 Well said.

00:36:25.000 Thank you, Jack, for joining us.

00:36:26.000 Everybody, check out Human Events Daily with Jack Pesobix.

00:36:29.000 I'm going to play this because it's kind of in theme with our hour.

00:36:32.000 This is Erica Kirk.

00:36:33.000 She's got an exclusive interview with Jesse Waters coming out on Wednesday.

00:36:39.000 And they're sort of teasing some of the clips here.

00:36:42.000 And this is Erica talking about whether or not cameras are going to be banned inside the courtroom of her husband's killer.

00:36:50.000 113.

00:36:51.000 The defense wants to ban cameras in the courtroom.

00:36:55.000 How do you feel about that?

00:36:57.000 There were cameras all over my husband when he was murdered.

00:37:02.000 There have been cameras all over my friends and family mourning.

00:37:06.000 There have been cameras all over me analyzing my every move, analyzing my every smile, my every tear.

00:37:16.000 We deserve to have cameras in there. 0.98

00:37:20.000 Why not be transparent?

00:37:23.000 There's nothing to hide.

00:37:24.000 I know there's not because I've seen what the case is built on.

00:37:29.000 Let everyone see what true evil is.

00:37:32.000 This is something that could impact a generation and generations to come.

00:37:37.000 Brandon, why don't you take us into this dynamic?

00:37:39.000 I know you're not a lawyer or an officer, but you were an officer, but what is this dynamic playing out with the cameras specifically?

00:37:49.000 The defense wants to ban them.

00:37:50.000 Yeah, I can't say I know exactly what their motives are, but after watching, you know, being in trial, watching all of this stuff unfold, I try to watch every major case trial.

00:38:00.000 I used to watch court TV all the time.

00:38:02.000 In my other life, I would have been a lawyer.

00:38:05.000 But it appears that what they're doing is trying to humanize and make Robinson look like a, you know, less like an evil person because of his crimes are very evil and inhumane.

00:38:20.000 So they want to humanize him and make him look like just an average person that had a bad day.

00:38:25.000 And the way they do that is they can curate what he looks like in the public and they can curate what he looks like to the jurors.

00:38:33.000 And they want him to dress in plain clothes, right?

00:38:36.000 And not dress in prison uniform.

00:38:38.000 They want his shackles to not be visible, although he will be chained and he will have a handcuffs on him.

00:38:45.000 By the way, on that note, it's like you may think, well, he's in a courtroom.

00:38:49.000 Why would you not have, you know, why do you need handcuffs on him or whatever?

00:38:53.000 It's like, you know, you could, a pen can be turned into a deadly weapon.

00:38:56.000 Right, but he's still in custody.

00:38:58.000 By the way, it could be a pen against himself.

00:39:01.000 Right.

00:39:01.000 You know, but he's not free.

00:39:03.000 So that's another thing that people have to realize.

00:39:06.000 He's under arrest right now.

00:39:08.000 And so he's not free to go.

00:39:09.000 So he will be handcuffed.

00:39:11.000 Yeah, they're going to make it so it's not visible.

00:39:13.000 They're going to say that cameras cannot capture his handcuffs.

00:39:17.000 And they're not going to allow them to film him walking in, which is like kind of the perp walk, walking into the court or out of the court, because then you will see his gait, how he walks, all of those things.

00:39:28.000 You can see him in chains.

00:39:29.000 And then the visual visualization of that will criminalize him like he should be.

00:39:35.000 In the minds of the jurors.

00:39:36.000 In the minds of jurors and in the minds of the public, because they want sympathy from the public.

00:39:41.000 They want sympathy from the jurors.

00:39:42.000 So when it's time to put him to death, people will be more likely to say, oh, he's just an innocent kid.

00:39:47.000 He should not be put to death.

00:39:48.000 So the public will be influenced to say he's not that bad of a person.

00:39:52.000 And then the jurors will believe that he's not that bad of a person.

00:39:55.000 Well, and I just want to leave you with this.

00:39:56.000 I'm not next of kin.

00:39:57.000 I'm not getting like, you know, all the updates from the attorneys that are on our team and that are coordinating with federal, state, and local law enforcement.

00:40:06.000 But I will say that I know this much, that they believe this case is completely lock solid.

00:40:13.000 I mean, this thing is a really, really strong case.

00:40:17.000 And I know there's a lot of voices speaking into the void and trying to come up with alternative connections and conspiracies.

00:40:24.000 Again, I understand people want justice for Charlie.

00:40:27.000 Actually, I love that.

00:40:28.000 I want people to want justice for Charlie.

00:40:30.000 I want that too.

00:40:31.000 Our team wants it too.

00:40:32.000 Erica, of course, wants it more than anybody.

00:40:35.000 But like, the case, I just want people to know it is very, very strong.

00:40:40.000 And listen, Andrew, like, nobody wants justice for Charlie more than us.

00:40:44.000 Yeah.

00:40:45.000 Nobody wants it more than us.

00:40:46.000 You got to be out of your mind to think that, you know, just sitting here, it roused me up a little bit.

00:40:51.000 You got to be out of your mind to think that we want the person who took Charlie's life to still be running around because for whatever reason.

00:40:57.000 It's completely stupid to me.

00:40:58.000 But let me just say there's a little bit of time left.

00:41:01.000 I mean, if it weren't for people who are disingenuous in nature, putting out bull crap to make money and be famous and get clicks and views, we wouldn't even be talking about this, man.

00:41:11.000 The case is very clean.

00:41:13.000 It's very clear.

00:41:14.000 The only thing that people will be left wondering about, if anything, would be the 30 out of 6 round.

00:41:20.000 That's the only thing.

00:41:21.000 But the FBI knows what they have and what they don't have.

00:41:24.000 And they know what investigatory information that they're going to present.

00:41:27.000 Well, and who else might have known in advance or who helped him?

00:41:31.000 I want to know that too.

00:41:32.000 Officer Tatum, thank you so much, my friend.

00:41:34.000 Thank you, Andrew.

00:41:35.000 God bless you both.

00:41:36.000 We'll see you soon.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 04, 2025

Brandon Tatum Confronts Conspiracy Theories

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