On this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk is joined by former Phoenix Police Officer Brandon Tatum and Jack Pasovic to discuss the events that took place the night Charlie was shot and killed. They also discuss some of the common mistakes people make in life and how they can be prevented.
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00:01:09.000Welcome back, hour two of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:01.000I think in the aftermath, in the aftermath of Charlie's assassination and some of the conspiracy theories that have been spreading, you have been tremendous in just adding a voice of common sense, I would say, because you were an officer.
00:02:20.000You've investigated, you've been the first guy on a scene that has to make sense of what's just happened.
00:02:26.000And I think you have brought so much just, I say common sense, but really just wisdom and kind of a calm, steady voice.
00:02:35.000And I think more people need to know about your videos.
00:02:37.000I think more people need to be watching you on YouTube because it's weird when you're in this situation and you talk to people that actually know what they're talking about or that were there or that you, I mean, all of our friends were there.
00:02:51.000But then you, so you have the firsthand accounts.
00:02:53.000Then you actually have, there's a legal team that's coordinating with the authorities and you see it all and then you see what people are saying online.
00:03:59.000If I testified in court, and you have that, plus you have wisdom and you're reasonable and you believe in God.
00:04:05.000So then you have godly wisdom in how you should articulate or put out information or disseminate information to the people that God is giving you that follows you.
00:04:13.000And like you said, Andrew, like I understand that people are hurting and people are looking for answers and people don't know what they're talking about a lot of the times and they're doing it in good faith, but they're just lost.
00:04:25.000It's like almost every police shooting that I cover.
00:04:27.000A lot of people don't understand use of force policy.
00:04:30.000They don't understand how the law is prosecuted.
00:04:32.000And so they are off on it, even though they have good intentions.
00:04:35.000Now, there's a difference between someone who's off on it in good faith with good intentions versus someone who knows better and just out there spewing hatred and stupidity because they want to get clicks and subscribers and make money off of it.
00:05:21.000So they have no idea what they're talking about.
00:05:23.000However, if you, as a civilian person, if you want to know or get a synopsis of what could happen and what evidence they may have, read the affidavit.
00:05:31.000Read the probable cause statement that was submitted to court.
00:05:34.000When you write a probable cause statement as a law enforcement agency, you cannot lie or deceive or put information in that's not true.
00:05:43.000Because when you get to trial and they have the initial hearing, if you don't have evidence to what you've said, which you've sworn under penalty of perjury, that is true, your case is completely thrown out.
00:05:56.000And you cannot convince me somebody like Kesh Patel and those guys are willing to throw away their entire career and legacy to botch the most important case of our lifetime.
00:06:08.000You know, and in cases you've covered or worked on, you know, worked on directly or covered.
00:06:13.000And I know you obviously you mentioned policing.
00:06:15.000You have covered so many use of force cases, which is another example where misinformation comes up so many times and people believe their, you know, choose your own narrative.
00:07:15.000She confirms with his father that it's him.
00:07:17.000The father convinces him to turn himself in.
00:07:20.000They communicate with the deputy sheriff, a neighbor, who coordinated him to turn himself in without obviously the SWAT team coming to his house and doing a dynamic entry.
00:07:30.000So I find it to be unreasonable to believe that somehow his dad is want to get him the death penalty for what reason?
00:07:40.000When you turn your son in knowing that he committed a crime such as this, which is an assassination, an intentional murder, he premeditated it, and he did it for political reasons.
00:07:50.000When you say, I'm going to turn my son into the authorities, you are turning him in knowing he can get the death penalty.
00:07:56.000No father would do that unless they are pretty confident that their son has done this.
00:08:00.000Now, according to the FBI, he actually confessed to his parents that he did it.
00:08:05.000Now, there's a difference between a confession and pleading not guilty in the court of law.
00:08:10.000A person can confess to their parents, but you can plead not guilty because you want to not, you know, end up getting a death penalty.
00:08:16.000So in my opinion, I think the fight is not whether he's guilty or not.
00:08:20.000The fight is to try to not allow him to get the death penalty, which is why they didn't want the cameras in the court, which is why they wanted to dress in plain clothes.
00:08:30.000Brandon Tatum, stop making so much sense.
00:08:34.000In addition to that, we have that Discord chat that came out where he said, you know, I don't have it in front of you, but it's something to the extent of, hey, guys, I don't know if you saw the news, but it was me in Utah.
00:08:45.000They had 20 people on their Discord chat, which the FBI is investigating all 20 of them.
00:08:50.000And the thing is, people don't understand forensics, right?
00:08:53.000There's a forensic extraction of all the content on Discord from his communication with that chat and every chat he's been on and all 20 people in every chat that they've been on.
00:09:02.000Also, the electronic communication between him and his boyfriend or girlfriend or whatever it is.
00:09:09.000The communication that people don't have access to because they showed a synopsis.
00:09:13.000But they have extracted all the content from his phone and the other guy's phone in the relationship.
00:09:18.000And also, no one, I know that it, so some people that have never investigated anything and they look at, they say, well, it's kind of confusing the way he's communicating with the transgender person.
00:09:28.000But unless you have evidence of how he communicates in his other text communication, you cannot make a true judgment on whether or not it's suspicious him using the word vehicle and different things of that nature.
00:09:40.000Well, and not only that, but you're talking forensics, but that would also, that would also go into my, now, my experience is more okoness, right?
00:09:46.000Because as an Intel officer, but it's, you know, a lot of the same metadata, the same electronic collection that we'd be using.
00:10:10.000They made a statement at the affidavit that they submitted to the court that he did.
00:10:13.000They found on his phone searches and Google Maps searches of that university.
00:10:18.000And they can tell if he's searching that, how much time he spends on the site.
00:10:22.000And all of those things are part of the investigation.
00:10:24.000If people would just let them do their job, and if in the court of law with cross-examination, they're not doing the job properly, then let's go after them and judge them on that.
00:10:35.000Hey, everybody, this is Andrew Colvet, executive producer of The Charlie Kirk Show.
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00:11:39.000So, Jack, you got a little bit of breaking news here I want to get to.
00:11:42.000Yeah, so there is a letter coming out of Germany, of Hamburg, Germany, where a AFD, so a right-wing politician's car was just firebombed.
00:11:52.000And there's a letter that's been now posted claiming responsibility for the attack, saying it was carried out by members of the Antifa network in Hamburg, Germany.
00:12:02.000Folks remember at the White House recently, I was telling the President of the United States to his face that Antifa was formed in Germany.
00:12:10.000This has been their base of operations, the foreign terrorist organization.
00:12:14.000And there's a full-long letter explaining how they conducted this attack.
00:12:18.000I don't believe anyone was hurt, but it was a firebombing.
00:12:22.000But listen to this line because they made a specific direct reference to Charlie in this line released by Antifa.
00:12:30.000All you MAGA freaks will follow Kirk into hell.
00:12:38.000And that's being put out directly by Antifa, directly by their German arm after conducting a targeted assassination attempt, a firebombing on a car.
00:13:10.000There was an Aaron Burnett clip that went around saying, like, oh, well, we all know that political violence comes from the right because there was this SPLC study that didn't include all the Tesla firebombings or anything like that.
00:13:22.000And it was, oh, it was run by an Antifa guy that had connections to Antifa.
00:13:26.000The point is, she also referenced the fact that they don't have a hierarchy like the Proud Boys or whatever, right?
00:13:32.000So she's, she, and what they have to understand is that this is an ideology that is intentionally, well, it's a network that's an intentionally decentralized movement without a hierarchy that you would see at a corporate boardroom or something, right?
00:13:49.000Because the ideology is so pervasive and so powerful when you fully buy into it.
00:13:54.000You don't need to be manually pushing the buttons internationally to make people do this crazy stuff.
00:14:01.000What they do is they spread information.
00:14:03.000They have literature in Seattle and Portland.
00:14:05.000They even have bookstores in Chicago, New York, same, where they have bookstores where they spread this anti-fascist literature in their pamphlets, in their books.
00:14:15.000There's Dr. Antifa out of Rutgers that's part of this network.
00:14:32.000It's very interesting that somehow we missed this in America in the conversation that's being had on social media.
00:14:39.000I don't know why we're kind of passively allowing Antifa and these knuckleheads to kind of get away with what they have been doing and the threats that they've made.
00:14:58.000But the person that killed Charlie, the reason why I'm very convinced that he is the one that did it, because that ideology is consistent with violence.
00:16:01.000So here's my theory on it, by the way, because I took a bunch of incoming on it over the weekend for outing these teachers.
00:16:07.000First of all, I've never been into the blood and gore thing for Halloween, let alone when you have teachers that are supposed to be raising the next generation doing the blood and gore thing.
00:16:18.000I'm trying to give some space because some people don't make that connection, okay?
00:16:22.000But for example, we were doing trick-or-treating this weekend and we came up to a house.
00:16:27.000Most of them were like fun, fairy tale houses.
00:16:30.000Like, okay, you're not in a Barbie, but at least it's not creepy and weird.
00:16:32.000That we came up to this one with this guy who literally had like a demon head, like a second head that he'd prostate, like a prosthetic that he had.
00:16:58.000So for a bunch of teachers to be that tone deaf, especially after the political assassination of the most famous political figure in the state of Arizona, not to mention it was a worldwide phenomenon.
00:17:32.000I've seen so many TikToks about just crappy human garbage mocking Charlie's death as a Halloween costume, which is just vile.
00:17:42.000So you see all of this bloodstained down.
00:17:44.000Okay, here's my most generous reading of this.
00:17:48.000There are some that probably just thought it was a fun, bloody, gory kind of Halloween thing, right?
00:17:54.000They like the nightmare on Elm Street kind of Halloween version, right?
00:18:00.000My kids want to dress up like princesses and ninjas, okay?
00:18:03.000That whole dark and bloody thing is not my thing.
00:18:06.000My most generous reading, though, is that there's some teachers that just went along with it, and there was probably one or two that really were the ringleaders and liked it, and they convinced the rest of the, there's eight of them to do it, okay?
00:18:18.000You cannot convince me that some of those teachers in that picture knew exactly how it was going to be perceived.
00:18:25.000As soon as it went up on Facebook's, on their Facebook channel, Vale Schools or whatever, they took it down instantly because somebody with a brain looked at that and thought, probably not a good look to have blood streaked down the left side of their body, have eight of them going problem solved.
00:20:07.000And by the way, so the Vail School District responded.
00:20:10.000I want to make sure that we're covering this as we should.
00:20:14.000I was very clear, by the way, in the tweets.
00:20:16.000As soon as they responded, I put it up and I updated the thread.
00:20:20.000It says, we understand that a recent social media post showing members of Cienega's math department wearing shirts that say problem solved has caused some confusion and concern.
00:20:28.000The shirts were worn in reference to solving math problems.
00:20:31.000Any reference that these shirts were related to something other than that are simply false and untrue.
00:20:35.000The staff wearing them care deeply about children.
00:20:38.000We're not intended as a reference to any person of any political issue.
00:20:40.000We apologize that the wearing of these shirts caused concern and were upsetting to some.
00:20:44.000That was absolutely not the intent of those who wore them.
00:20:46.000We are sorry, and the shirts will not be worn again.
00:20:48.000This is a hard lesson for us all, but more thought and care need to be taken in these times.
00:21:44.000If you did nothing wrong, and if it's just by the way, yeah, I got community noted on this because it was like the problem-solved t-shirt predates Charlie Kirk's death.
00:23:38.000My heart is to call out evil to confront evil.
00:23:41.000And so, if there were people in that picture that didn't mean any harm by it or just didn't make the connection, I genuinely am sorry to them.
00:23:48.000But I don't believe for a second that there aren't people in that picture that knew exactly the room a little bit, guys.
00:23:56.000The biggest, largest political assassination, the most high-profile in a generation since the 1960s in this country, who happens to be my dear friend, my partner and colleague, and all of these things.
00:24:06.000Like, I'm sorry if I get a little bit primed and I'm a little bit upset about it.
00:24:10.000It's the same design as the Freedom shirt.
00:24:12.000That's that's the reason that it seems directly and then they didn't upload it more recently.
00:24:19.000So they said that they wore it last year.
00:24:33.000The point is, I saw what looked to be a credible reference to last year, so I updated the thread.
00:24:39.000And, you know, people are coming after me for that too.
00:24:41.000But it's like, listen, I'm just trying to be a good faith operator.
00:24:44.000I'm posting what I believe to be the same image from last year, but I still like, and everybody then made the point: like, whoa, after Trump's assassination attempt, like, yeah, like, still inappropriate that year.
00:24:58.000I mean, and I just keep coming back to this point.
00:25:28.000What this actually does is it exposes a deeper flaw in our education system.
00:25:33.000That if you're a public school teacher and you think that this is an okay way to celebrate Halloween with blood and gore, I get it.
00:25:41.000The country has lost its mooring, and there's going to be dozens and hundreds of whatever people out in the audience that think I'm crazy for saying that.
00:25:48.000I don't, like, I'm telling you, that is not an appropriate way to dress for Halloween.
00:27:08.000Now the kids are knowing what sexual orientation the teachers are, if they got boyfriend, you know, all this old crazy stuff.
00:27:16.000And I think that we've gone in a sense of decline.
00:27:18.000You know, I would still challenge those people, even though somebody may want to give them grace and say they wore it last year or whatever the case may be.
00:27:25.000Yeah, you wore it at an inappropriate time last year, and you should be able to read the room this year.
00:28:32.000Kind of right in the middle of those cars, a big explosion, and it engulfed all those cars, and then it spread and stopped at the third car or fourth car and off to the side.
00:28:41.000You know, I'm not an explosive expert, but that's troubling to see something like this, and people are doing this for their own ridiculous ideology.
00:28:50.000And now, what if someone had been in there?
00:28:52.000Let's say that guy, you know, he's waking up, he's going to work, he turns the ignition, and then that happens.
00:28:59.000What happens to him and possibly his family if they're there?
00:29:11.000Their dad was blown up in a random act of violence because of his political belief systems.
00:29:17.000You know, it's crazy to me that we don't call these people out more, like somebody said, and I don't like to use the word hate, but let's use the word strongly dislike.
00:29:27.000We don't strongly dislike them enough.
00:29:31.000I feel like we give them tacit approval, not us per se, but as a society, we give them tacit approval.
00:29:37.000Donald Trump said that he was going to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization.
00:29:42.000At what point are we going to start putting these people in prison?
00:29:45.000At what point are we going to start doing some due diligence and investigating this stuff?
00:29:48.000These people, I think there's a network.
00:29:51.000And I think that Robinson's kid was a part of this network.
00:29:54.000And I can't prove that, but it appears that this is not a one-off.
00:29:58.000That's why they're in these threads and they're talking amongst themselves and confessing the stuff because I think they're all like working together and they're chat by group chat by group chat.
00:30:09.000And by the way, even if Tyler Robinson was not, you know, formally or didn't consider himself part of Antifa, the ideologies that drive Antifa that motivate them were clearly present in his life.
00:30:23.000And now this, this might be, now we're getting into a more of a lawyer question, but some of the stuff that we're seeing that's come out and more text messages and information that have been, Turkey Tom put out a bunch on his YouTube.
00:31:27.000Now, is there a way that they could sort of make that, you know, if he cooperates fully, is there a way for them to say, all right, you're going to come in, testify, but you got to give us everything.
00:31:58.000And that could be, and he could be under witness protection too, because people are now saying online that the transgender boyfriend is now missing.
00:32:05.000And it's like, you're not going missing from the FBI if you are a material witness.
00:32:23.000And all of a sudden, all of a sudden, he's going down this path of woke Antifa ideology.
00:32:28.000And just so happened, he's in a relationship with one of these transformations.
00:32:31.000And then you run up with someone who is fully committed, who you then form this, this, I'm just going to say it, this perversive relationship with.
00:32:40.000And suddenly that person gets, you know, it's grooming.
00:33:04.000It's a distillation of just basically everything terrible and horrible all in one ideology.
00:33:09.000And they all mix and they all come together.
00:33:12.000It's a confluence of all of this really violent stuff.
00:33:16.000And this is what, you know, if you could sum up Antifa's ideology in like one sentence, it's basically what they got from this quote from him where he basically says, some hate you just can't negotiate out.
00:33:38.000They don't believe in democracy, candidly.
00:33:41.000They believe that the system is so evil that some of the people that are pushing this, you know, enforcement of the system are so evil that you cannot negotiate with them.
00:33:50.000This is what the Antifa handbook is all about from Dr. Mark Bray at Rutgers University, still employed.
00:34:24.000Today I want to share something that should fill every Christian with wonder.
00:34:28.000We are living in the time of history's great homecoming.
00:34:32.000For thousands of years, God promised through his prophets that he would gather the Jewish people from every corner of the earth and bring them back to their homeland.
00:34:38.000Many thought these were just beautiful words that would never come to pass, but we're witnessing what many thought was the impossible.
00:34:45.000Since 1948, over 3 million Jewish people have returned to Israel from more than 100 countries.
00:34:50.000Russian Jews, Ethiopian Jews, European Holocaust survivors, all coming home exactly as scripture said they would.
00:35:51.000And if anyone, look, if you want to dig into this ideology of hatred, this ideology that views you, if you're a conservative, you're a Christian.
00:35:58.000If you're white, if you're straight, if you're a male, you are not a human, according to them.
00:36:03.000And this is an ideology that goes back 250 years.
00:36:07.000It is basically taking the sin of envy and turning it into a political justification and a moral justification to commit violence and evil.
00:36:16.000Why do communists still support communism after it's killed 100 million people?
00:36:20.000Because they view 100 million as a good start.
00:37:50.000Yeah, I can't say I know exactly what their motives are, but after watching, you know, being in trial, watching all of this stuff unfold, I try to watch every major case trial.
00:38:00.000I used to watch court TV all the time.
00:38:02.000In my other life, I would have been a lawyer.
00:38:05.000But it appears that what they're doing is trying to humanize and make Robinson look like a, you know, less like an evil person because of his crimes are very evil and inhumane.
00:38:20.000So they want to humanize him and make him look like just an average person that had a bad day.
00:38:25.000And the way they do that is they can curate what he looks like in the public and they can curate what he looks like to the jurors.
00:38:33.000And they want him to dress in plain clothes, right?
00:39:11.000Yeah, they're going to make it so it's not visible.
00:39:13.000They're going to say that cameras cannot capture his handcuffs.
00:39:17.000And they're not going to allow them to film him walking in, which is like kind of the perp walk, walking into the court or out of the court, because then you will see his gait, how he walks, all of those things.
00:39:57.000I'm not getting like, you know, all the updates from the attorneys that are on our team and that are coordinating with federal, state, and local law enforcement.
00:40:06.000But I will say that I know this much, that they believe this case is completely lock solid.
00:40:13.000I mean, this thing is a really, really strong case.
00:40:17.000And I know there's a lot of voices speaking into the void and trying to come up with alternative connections and conspiracies.
00:40:24.000Again, I understand people want justice for Charlie.
00:40:46.000You got to be out of your mind to think that, you know, just sitting here, it roused me up a little bit.
00:40:51.000You got to be out of your mind to think that we want the person who took Charlie's life to still be running around because for whatever reason.
00:40:58.000But let me just say there's a little bit of time left.
00:41:01.000I mean, if it weren't for people who are disingenuous in nature, putting out bull crap to make money and be famous and get clicks and views, we wouldn't even be talking about this, man.