The Charlie Kirk Show - Brave Detransitioner Explodes the Myth of Transgenderism

00:00:00.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:01.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:03.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:07.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:10.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:11.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:12.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:00:21.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:00:29.000 That's why we are here.

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00:00:42.000 Joining us now is Chloe Cole.

00:00:43.000 Welcome.

00:00:44.000 Thanks for having me.

00:00:45.000 And Alex Marlowe, editor-in-chief of Breitbart.

00:00:47.000 Very happy to be here, Charlie.

00:00:48.000 Nice to see you. 0.98

00:00:49.000 So, Chloe, let's start with you. 0.83

00:00:50.000 Introduce yourself to our audience.

00:00:52.000 So, I am a detransition activist, a former transgender kid, and former gender clinic patients.

00:00:58.000 I went through the process of going through a social and medical gender transition starting at the age of 12 with a social transition, meaning that I changed the way I changed my name, I changed my pronouns, I changed the way that I presented myself through my hair and my clothing.

00:01:11.000 And then at 13, I started undergoing the medical process with glupron to suppress my puberty, testosterone to replace my hormones.

00:01:20.000 And at 15, I underwent a double mastectomy to remove my breasts.

00:01:23.000 And I stopped punishing at 16 when I was studying childhood developments in a class of mine in high school.

00:01:30.000 And I realized that I wanted to have children.

00:01:32.000 I had a maternal instinct.

00:01:34.000 I wanted to be a mother and embrace my femininity.

00:01:38.000 And that by transitioning, I was losing those parts of myself.

00:01:44.000 And since about a year after that, since I was 17, I have been speaking about my experience trying to advocate for a better standard of care for these children and young men and women who are going through this and for the rights of these children, of their families, of their parents and their caretakers.

00:02:03.000 Do you feel like you were misled on the potential costs of this treatment when you were young?

00:02:09.000 Absolutely.

00:02:10.000 I was not informed of not only the medical complications physically, that the way that it could affect my body, most of the complications I'm experiencing now, I was not informed of.

00:02:24.000 But at the age that I was, I just wouldn't have been able to consent.

00:02:28.000 It's too much to expect of a child to make an irreversible decision around their developments, the development of them and their identity and their social lives of themselves sexually as potentially future parents.

00:02:45.000 Where were you located when this happened?

00:02:48.000 I live in California and I was born and raised in California.

00:02:52.000 Were your parents involved in this decision?

00:02:55.000 Yes.

00:02:56.000 They actually did not want me to undergo any of this.

00:02:58.000 They did not want me to be making any permanent decisions around my body.

00:03:02.000 They wanted to allow me to just be a kid to experiment, but within boundaries.

00:03:09.000 But they were told by our doctors that the choice was either between death or transition.

00:03:16.000 What was it, and forgive the brutality of this statement, were they basically telling your parents it's better to have an alive son than a dead daughter?

00:03:25.000 They cited the suicide statistics.

00:03:25.000 Absolutely.

00:03:27.000 They said it was about 50% of transgender people that end up attempting suicide.

00:03:33.000 And they used that to emotionally manipulate my parents into believing that my life was on the line if they didn't give me what I wanted.

00:03:41.000 And that was not how I felt at all.

00:03:43.000 I was not suicidal.

00:03:45.000 Sure, I was struggling in school socially and with my grades.

00:03:49.000 I felt isolated.

00:03:51.000 But a lot of my distress came from normal feelings that girls go through when they're going through puberty. 0.96

00:03:58.000 How should a parent respond to a doctor that tells them that if you don't do this stuff, your kid's going to kill themselves?

00:04:07.000 You know your child best.

00:04:08.000 If they're suicidal, it's not because of their gender.

00:04:12.000 It's not because of the way that they're born.

00:04:15.000 It's something deeper, whether they have some sort of trauma or any psychological issue.

00:04:22.000 You have to address that with your child.

00:04:24.000 Final question, and I want to get Alex in on this.

00:04:27.000 Chloe, I'm told by certain activists on campus that transition regret is not a real thing, that the detransition movement is marginal at best.

00:04:37.000 Talk about how this is a growing community of people.

00:04:41.000 How big is it?

00:04:42.000 And how real is it?

00:04:44.000 Well, they oftentimes cite the 1% statistic, which comes from faulty studies, which have high volumes of patient dropout.

00:04:54.000 They don't check in with those patients asking them why they drop out of the study.

00:04:58.000 And we don't actually know what the numbers are.

00:05:02.000 But it's clearly bigger than 1%.

00:05:04.000 We know of at least 20 to 25,000 in a Facebook group.

00:05:08.000 Is that right?

00:05:09.000 On Reddit.

00:05:10.000 On Twitter.

00:05:11.000 It's growing.

00:05:12.000 It's really about everywhere.

00:05:13.000 And I, at least personally, when I, again, it's hard to verify the identity, but there are thousands that I've seen.

00:05:22.000 I'm 21.

00:05:23.000 I took testosterone.

00:05:24.000 I mean, and honestly, these doctors need to be put in prison for what they have done.

00:05:24.000 I regret it.

00:05:30.000 Do you agree with that, Chloe?

00:05:31.000 Absolutely.

00:05:32.000 That these people need to be lined up and perk walked and put into prison.

00:05:37.000 These people are sterilizing children and young men and women who are perfectly healthy.

00:05:42.000 They're manipulating them, mutilating them, and they're taking away their ability to have children and basic sexual function.

00:05:51.000 That is criminal.

00:05:52.000 It is criminal.

00:05:53.000 Alex, editor-in-chief of Breitbart, you have a question for Chloe.

00:05:56.000 Yeah, I do.

00:05:56.000 Can you walk us through the process of indoctrination?

00:06:00.000 Because you don't come to all these ideas yourself.

00:06:02.000 I mean, where are the places?

00:06:03.000 I've got young kids.

00:06:04.000 Charlie is a young child.

00:06:06.000 Where do we need to be most cautious in society right now?

00:06:09.000 I mean, in every case, it's very much individual.

00:06:12.000 We've seen how it's stuck its way into schools, into medicine, but a lot of it has come from the internet.

00:06:21.000 And that's really where it came from for me.

00:06:24.000 I was vulnerable to this ideology because I already was an isolated kid.

00:06:29.000 I didn't really have very many friends in school because I had undiagnosed autism.

00:06:34.000 I was struggling socially.

00:06:35.000 And I didn't really have a niche or community where I felt like I could really fit in.

00:06:39.000 So I turned to the internet, and with how closely knit the broader LGBT community seems, with so many people coming from these broken backgrounds, all coming together, seemingly as one.

00:06:54.000 It was suggestive.

00:06:55.000 It was suggested to you that you.

00:06:58.000 The old you wasn't the real you.

00:07:00.000 This new you is the real you.

00:07:02.000 By who?

00:07:03.000 I wasn't directly interacting with anybody in the community at the time, but seeing how similar these people were to me, these creative, artistic, open-minded kids and young men and women, it gave me this convenient explanation for as to why I felt so different from the other women around me, even within my own family.

00:07:25.000 There was a big part of it was a theory that people who are dysphoric, they present, I mean, it's really based on stereotypes.

00:07:34.000 They present more like what is expected of the opposite sex. 1.00

00:07:39.000 And they are insecure in their bodies because they have the brains of the opposite sex. 1.00

00:07:43.000 And it was just, it was very convenient as somebody who was very curious about the world, who always wanted answers to everything.

00:07:49.000 When you decided to detransition, you were very scared, I assume.

00:07:53.000 Yes, I knew it was going to be help.

00:07:56.000 I knew that by going off the hormones, it was going to be hard.

00:08:00.000 I did not intend to.

00:08:01.000 I didn't find support.

00:08:02.000 Who was supporting you at that time?

00:08:05.000 I lost almost all my support from my own doctors, from the transgender community, even from my friends in real life.

00:08:12.000 And all I really had was my family to keep me going.

00:08:16.000 Well, it's not just your family.

00:08:17.000 I think there's a lot of people here who support what you're doing.

00:08:21.000 So, Chloe, the magnitude of what's happening is hard for people to grasp.

00:08:28.000 How many, and if you don't know the answer, that's okay, because I can't find an answer to this.

00:08:33.000 How many children are currently undergoing some form of testosterone, Lupron, you know, surgery?

00:08:41.000 Do we have a number?

00:08:43.000 I mean, we'll never know just how many children are being affected by this.

00:08:47.000 But just from insurance data alone, there's thousands of children across the U.S. who are being put on these treatments.

00:08:54.000 And just so everyone knows, I have had five people come up to me here at this event saying, my kid is now on TRT, Lupron, you know, divorced.

00:09:03.000 And so, I mean, you guys probably know one or two people, right?

00:09:07.000 And I just, so it's not like it's so isolated, so fringe that it's unheard of, right?

00:09:13.000 So is it fair to say tens of thousands?

00:09:16.000 I mean, probably tens of thousands in the last decade, right?

00:09:19.000 Just in the last decade, yes.

00:09:21.000 And maybe 100,000.

00:09:22.000 So this is not, I mean, I think 100,000 in 10 years is probably low.

00:09:28.000 I'm just thinking out loud.

00:09:29.000 This is civilizational altering stuff.

00:09:31.000 So you think about it.

00:09:33.000 If it's 100,000 people that are sterilized, and in a previous world, they would have two, three kids per, that's an impact on the population by 300,000.

00:09:47.000 You can't handle the truth. 0.97

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00:10:41.000 Chloe Poe is here and Alex Marlowe live from AmericaFest.

00:10:44.000 So Chloe, do you believe that trans is a real thing? 1.00

00:10:50.000 No, not at all.

00:10:52.000 These activists often speak about it like it's an innate part of a person's identity that there is some sort of biological marker.

00:11:00.000 There are none.

00:11:01.000 There is no marker in the brain, not in these people's genetics.

00:11:05.000 It's a choice that you make.

00:11:08.000 So is it fair to say that it's just...

00:11:10.000 Oh, my God.

00:11:11.000 Can we just comment on how she just paid everyone in Meteor Matters rent for the whole week?

00:11:15.000 Well, no, I mean, but you are someone, you could say this from a very personal perspective, because you once thought you were that.

00:11:24.000 Would you say it's like psychosis?

00:11:26.000 It absolutely is a form of psychosis.

00:11:29.000 There is no basis.

00:11:31.000 There is no scientific basis for this at all.

00:11:34.000 It's completely out of the bounds of reality to believe that you can change this innate, immutable part of yourself.

00:11:42.000 I mean, sex is something that's binary.

00:11:45.000 There are only two.

00:11:46.000 And you'll stay either male or female for life. 0.95

00:11:50.000 That being said, there are a million different ways that you can present yourself.

00:11:55.000 You don't have to be limited just by your sex.

00:11:58.000 Yeah, and I just want to emphasize why you can talk about this. 1.00

00:12:02.000 You had your breasts removed at what age? 1.00

00:12:04.000 15. 1.00

00:12:05.000 At 15.

00:12:06.000 Did that make you a man?

00:12:08.000 No.

00:12:09.000 It just made me a woman with less parts of myself.

00:12:14.000 Yet the argument of the trans people is you can become that which you think you are.

00:12:19.000 No.

00:12:20.000 You can't.

00:12:21.000 You're attacked a lot.

00:12:23.000 Death threats, yes.

00:12:24.000 They've come after you.

00:12:24.000 Yes.

00:12:26.000 Your life is in jeopardy quite often.

00:12:28.000 Who is targeting you and why?

00:12:31.000 It's largely from indoctrinated people from within the transgender community who have been radicalized and from the activists.

00:12:42.000 It comes in large part from fear.

00:12:45.000 These people are being told that there's a genocide being waged against them, that there's a genocide being waged against children, that they are losing their right to life-saving health care.

00:12:56.000 And what wouldn't you do when you believe that there is genocide being waged against a population of children?

00:13:02.000 And so can you just talk about for a second some of the threats you've received, some of the experience?

00:13:07.000 Because you came out as a detransitioner and you have been attacked a lot. 1.00

00:13:13.000 Yes, and I have been from the very beginning.

00:13:15.000 Before I even started speaking out publicly, before I was a public figure, just on my personal social media, when I talked about the pain of transitioning and detransitioning, the regret, the shame, these people who I thought were my friends or like a second family to me started turning their backs on me.

00:13:32.000 But they didn't just abandon me.

00:13:33.000 They went out of their way to harass me, telling me that I was wrong, that I should have known better, that I wasn't a victim, that I had nobody to blame but myself, that I should be ashamed for talking about it, that I should just shut up because I'm harming the transgender community.

00:13:51.000 What was the moment you decided you'd had enough, you'd been misled, and you needed to go back to the original you?

00:13:59.000 That was after I, in my junior year of high school, was taking a class in psychology.

00:14:05.000 And towards the end of the unit, it was very much focused on like family and children.

00:14:09.000 And I mean, sometimes like fertility and breastfeeding were talked about in the consultations for these treatments.

00:14:17.000 But it was in very big detail.

00:14:19.000 And it was at an age, I mean, I was 13 to 15 years old when I was undergoing this.

00:14:24.000 I was not thinking about having children of my own because I was still a child.

00:14:28.000 I was still growing up myself.

00:14:29.000 So how could I be thinking about having a family of my own?

00:14:34.000 So, Chloe, you're an outspoken activist here.

00:14:37.000 More and more children are falling for this ideology and parents are falling for this ideology.

00:14:44.000 And also, there is this totalitarianism that if you dare disagree, they're going to ruin your life.

00:14:49.000 Your final thoughts on the fight in front of us and what we must do.

00:14:54.000 It's a fight that we all need to be a part of because it's affecting all of us, whether we realize it or not.

00:15:00.000 It's infected education, medicine.

00:15:04.000 It's in every single community in the U.S., in every single city.

00:15:08.000 This is not just a California issue.

00:15:10.000 This is everywhere.

00:15:12.000 And we need to fight back.

00:15:15.000 I love it.

00:15:18.000 Chloe, how can people support you, your social media?

00:15:22.000 How can people get behind you?

00:15:23.000 Because her voice is important.

00:15:24.000 Isn't this unbelievable?

00:15:25.000 It's incredible.

00:15:27.000 So I'm on X, I'm on Instagram, and I am doing an interview series of detransitioners on my YouTube channel. 1.00

00:15:33.000 And you should be able to find me just by searching up Chloe Cole.

00:15:37.000 But my username on all those is C-HOO C-O-L-E.

00:15:42.000 And so what about people who need help themselves?

00:15:44.000 Where should they go?

00:15:45.000 People who need help themselves.

00:15:47.000 Like you.

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00:16:48.000 We've got a lot to talk about here.

00:16:50.000 I've got David Engelhart, who's actually on the board of Turning Point USA.

00:16:54.000 So we brought in the big guns here.

00:16:56.000 And we've got Alex Marlowe, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News, who's still with us.

00:17:00.000 We're going to recap Outside Looking In, what this event has meant to them, what we've seen, what they've experienced.

00:17:07.000 I'm going to start with you, Alex, and then I'm going to get to you.

00:17:09.000 Alex, you are truly on the outside looking in, but you have been here a few times at these turning point conferences.

00:17:17.000 Tell me, what did you think of Amfest 2023 as, from Breitbart's perspective, from just being here, what did you see?

00:17:25.000 What did you feel?

00:17:26.000 Yeah, I feel like I've been to these things for the last got to be four or five years, and this is by far the biggest and the highest energy.

00:17:32.000 And what's noteworthy about it is Fox does not have a presence here.

00:17:36.000 Trump is not here.

00:17:37.000 And I'm a big fan of President Trump, so I have no big problems with Fox.

00:17:41.000 I got a few small ones.

00:17:42.000 But that's amazing.

00:17:43.000 And the attendance is the highest.

00:17:46.000 I was in the audience yesterday.

00:17:47.000 I get to get all the perspectives.

00:17:48.000 So I get to host stuff.

00:17:49.000 I get to interview.

00:17:50.000 I get to be interviewed.

00:17:51.000 And then sometimes I'm low enough profile I can sneak out in the audience and hang out.

00:17:55.000 Standing room only for a couple of speakers.

00:17:57.000 I've never seen that before, where literally every seat is full and people are standing in the back.

00:18:02.000 That shows something very positive for the conservative movement.

00:18:05.000 People are fired up.

00:18:06.000 I think next year is going to be really fun.

00:18:08.000 I might be the only person who thinks that in the whole country, but I've been preaching it, and I think this is the first hard piece of evidence that that's going to happen.

00:18:15.000 Yeah, I want to reiterate two things that you said.

00:18:17.000 There's no Fox, there's no Trump.

00:18:19.000 Now, we wanted Trump to come.

00:18:21.000 There was some scheduling overlap.

00:18:22.000 I'm not going to get into it right here.

00:18:24.000 And I can tell you, Trump really wanted to come.

00:18:27.000 Really wanted to come.

00:18:27.000 He called Charlie and told him how bad he wanted to be here.

00:18:30.000 I believe it.

00:18:31.000 I want to tell you something.

00:18:32.000 When he talks about the fact that we have blown the record books away right here at this event, we beat last year by over like 3,000 tickets sold.

00:18:40.000 Over 3,000.

00:18:41.000 Without Trump, the movement is strong.

00:18:44.000 Yeah, we deserve an applause for that.

00:18:46.000 Thank you.

00:18:46.000 Yes.

00:18:48.000 And by the way, I'm not going to name the other conferences, but when you go there and you see, you know, the main session, and Dave, you've been to these before.

00:18:56.000 You go to like, I'm not going to name names.

00:18:58.000 You go to the general session, there's like 20 people sitting listening to like, you know, congress people speak.

00:19:03.000 And right here, you've got standing room only.

00:19:04.000 And when you stand on that stage and you look back out at the audience, I'm telling you, it's like as far as the eye can see.

00:19:11.000 I mean, it's hard to capture on camera how big this space is and how big this venue is.

00:19:16.000 Yeah, and I was leading a breakout yesterday morning.

00:19:19.000 I think it was a 9:30 a.m. breakout, and the room was full, standing room only on some Monday morning.

00:19:27.000 Like, this is what's going on at an event like this that shows the energy of the movement, a movement that people anticipate 2024 is going to be phenomenal.

00:19:36.000 It's really important.

00:19:38.000 And even like we had Mar-a-Lago last week with Charlie and Turning Point, and a bunch of our gang was out there.

00:19:43.000 The momentum there.

00:19:45.000 We talked about on the show a lot.

00:19:46.000 The momentum here.

00:19:47.000 Like, there's a groundswell that's happening right now.

00:19:51.000 Whether Fox wants to be here or not, it doesn't matter.

00:19:54.000 The people's voice, what the people desire, like these fundamental tenets of our Republican democracy, those things are showing themselves strong again.

00:20:04.000 And that's a really important point.

00:20:05.000 I think everything that we've experienced as a movement in the last couple of years, you would think we'd be demoralized.

00:20:11.000 You would think the readers of Breitbart would be demoralized.

00:20:13.000 You would think that, you know, we're sick of losing.

00:20:16.000 I mean, Charlie says, I'm sick of being nice.

00:20:18.000 I want to win.

00:20:19.000 But yet, we're seeing the exact opposite here because I think you can see it and feel it in the tea leaves.

00:20:24.000 When you're anecdotal, the polls, whatever.

00:20:27.000 People are fired up.

00:20:28.000 There's something about this moment, and I think it's because of the pandemic, where people want to gather.

00:20:33.000 They want to be together more than ever.

00:20:35.000 They want to show up in the same place, be with people like them, particularly this type of audience, where people are free.

00:20:41.000 People are wearing all these wacky outfits.

00:20:43.000 But one thing that I really noticed that was interesting, everyone's polite.

00:20:48.000 All the younger people are nice.

00:20:49.000 True.

00:20:50.000 They all make nice small talk when you're passing them.

00:20:52.000 No one gives you a hard time.

00:20:54.000 This is cultural, and it's a big shift.

00:20:56.000 And it's something that Charlie and Turning Point, you guys have done a great job at this, because the rabble-rousers, which, you know, sometimes that energy is necessary, but sometimes being classy is good too. 0.98

00:21:07.000 It's a pretty classy event.

00:21:08.000 And we have a quarter of the people, or no, a third of the attendees.

00:21:12.000 So this is a general audience, right?

00:21:14.000 So anybody can come.

00:21:15.000 We don't check your ID at the gate and say, oh, you're too old to come.

00:21:19.000 It's a general admission crowd, right?

00:21:21.000 This is the public.

00:21:23.000 But we have a third of the people here are kids and students.

00:21:26.000 And that's important.

00:21:27.000 And the energy, because you have that energy, it's incredibly dynamic.

00:21:31.000 I want to throw it over to our man, Ben Berkwom, who's got a very important, because guess what?

00:21:37.000 Ben, we don't just have fancy people.

00:21:40.000 We don't just have Steve Bannon here.

00:21:42.000 We don't just have Tucker.

00:21:43.000 We have the real grassroots that's doing the real hard work in the field.

00:21:46.000 And you've got a story for us.

00:21:48.000 Yeah, well, I would call Terry pretty fancy.

00:21:50.000 Well, he's fancy and a big deal, both ends.

00:21:53.000 So, yeah, speaking about this, you know, Charlie was just talking about this.

00:21:56.000 You guys were just talking, we just had Chloe Cole up there. 0.51

00:21:58.000 This transgender attack. 1.00

00:22:02.000 Charlie was talking for parents, for dads to go out there and stand up.

00:22:06.000 You want to talk about a dad that's standing up out there, Terry Newsome, the good Newsome, not like Gavin Newsome.

00:22:12.000 Terry, tell us your story out of Chicago.

00:22:14.000 Yeah, I started speaking up for my twins back at their high school about all the porn, the doctrination, and I got the attention of Antifa leftists, congressmen started coming after me.

00:22:25.000 They started tagging me on Twitter.

00:22:26.000 And next thing you know, when we were coming out to AmericaFest last year, found out I was on a domestic terrorist watch list.

00:22:33.000 They even harassed my children that were VIP guests.

00:22:36.000 Took them in the back.

00:22:37.000 That was coming here.

00:22:38.000 Yes, coming here.

00:22:39.000 On the way out, my children had to go through it twice, even though I was the terrorist, which I don't understand why they did that to my kids.

00:22:46.000 And if it wasn't for Matt Gates sending a letter to Garland Ring and Majorcas, a demand letter, I suddenly popped off the list in, I think around May or June last year.

00:22:56.000 But he asked them, was I on a list because I was an outspoken school board parent, or that I was peacefully at January 6th.

00:23:04.000 I didn't go in.

00:23:05.000 Matt knew that.

00:23:05.000 He wanted to know if you're maintaining lists of parents that speak out or anybody that was in D.C.

00:23:12.000 And why was I put on the list?

00:23:13.000 Neither one of those guys got back to Matt Gates, but I suddenly was removed from the list.

00:23:18.000 This is what it's about.

00:23:19.000 God bless you, Terry.

00:23:20.000 God bless you for standing up and not stopping the fight, taking the fight to them.

00:23:24.000 If you're a dad out there, especially if you're a dad, it's time for the men of America to be the men of America again.

00:23:30.000 Stand up for your kids.

00:23:31.000 Take your family back.

00:23:32.000 God bless you.

00:23:33.000 And by the way, Andrew, Charlie, the whole team, what's happening in Chicago, the inner city of Chicago, Terry got me connected with these guys.

00:23:42.000 The videos, the interviews we got, the black inner city is rising up against the left.

00:23:47.000 They are so sick of what's happening with the border and the invasion on there.

00:23:51.000 There's so much going on.

00:23:52.000 So, God bless you guys.

00:23:53.000 Turning point USA, America Fest.

00:23:56.000 It's incredible.

00:24:00.000 I mean, that's what I mean.

00:24:01.000 These are the real heroes that are in their cities, in their communities, fighting to save this country.

00:24:08.000 I think it's really important that we keep highlighting those stories.

00:24:10.000 So you keep seeing people are coming up in the show yesterday, in the show today.

00:24:15.000 We've had people with stories that are just unimaginable.

00:24:18.000 They're getting arrested, going to the airport.

00:24:20.000 They're getting arrested coming home from daily wire screenings in Nashville, the transing of our kids. 1.00

00:24:26.000 We're on terror watch lists.

00:24:27.000 And by the way, if you come to these events, it doesn't mean you're going to be on a terror watch list, but it just means you're probably going to be on a terror watch list.

00:24:33.000 No, they're still rounding up January the 6th people.

00:24:35.000 They are.

00:24:37.000 They've got nothing better to do.

00:24:38.000 It's not like we're letting the country be flooded with terrorists and gotaways and that sort of thing, Alex.

00:24:45.000 No, no, but it's one thing that's interesting that's important about these events is to highlight the people.

00:24:50.000 It's not just about the people on the main stage.

00:24:52.000 And Breitbart, we've always tried to do that.

00:24:54.000 We have the biggest comment section probably on the whole internet.

00:24:56.000 You guys' comments are incredible.

00:24:59.000 You'll see articles on Breitbart with like 10,000 comments, 13,000 comments.

00:25:03.000 And advertisers try to leave because we let the people speak.

00:25:06.000 And then we work around it.

00:25:09.000 We do whatever we need to do to keep that comment section robust.

00:25:12.000 Our radio shows, we try to get the callers calling in.

00:25:15.000 And this is one of the things that's so important about the conservative movement.

00:25:18.000 The left, the establishment, the globalists, they don't care about any of this stuff.

00:25:21.000 They want a top-down oligarchy.

00:25:22.000 That's what they're creating.

00:25:24.000 And the only chance to beat them is with the grassroots.

00:25:27.000 And that's something that if you don't understand that, then there's no room for you in this movement at the moment.

00:25:32.000 Yeah, the fascist control.

00:25:33.000 It's all about consolidation of power, total control, total domination of thought.

00:25:37.000 We had this church post where we had some of our church people talking to these Palestinian protesters, and they were saying, you know, tell us why you're protesting.

00:25:45.000 No one would even respond because they're paid shows.

00:25:47.000 We know that.

00:25:48.000 But one of the comments said, look at these Christo-fascists.

00:25:52.000 And I thought, wait a second.

00:25:54.000 Like, we're the people asking the questions.

00:25:56.000 We're not the people trying to get totalitarian thought control.

00:26:00.000 Like, we're the people wondering what's going on here.

00:26:02.000 It's you guys that are wanting total domination and total control.

00:26:05.000 And that's what's incredible about something like Amfest and all of these different booths and all of these different stories.

00:26:11.000 They're legitimate.

00:26:12.000 It's real people that are seeking truth and beauty.

00:26:15.000 And that's why when you come to a place like this, like there's inspiration, there's momentum.

00:26:20.000 We're going.

00:26:20.000 Like, are we going to win 24?

00:26:22.000 I personally think we're going to win 24.

00:26:24.000 But even if we don't, this kind of momentum changes the nation.

00:26:27.000 Yeah, and Alex, you know the media better than just about anybody.

00:26:30.000 I think it's safe to say you've written the book on it, literally, Breaking the Media, right?

00:26:35.000 Or a new edition coming out next month.

00:26:39.000 You're the first to hear about that.

00:26:40.000 Thank you.

00:26:40.000 Oh, what did I?

00:26:41.000 Whoops.

00:26:42.000 No, that's great.

00:26:43.000 Thank you.

00:26:44.000 I'm going to break that news.

00:26:44.000 But what I want to get at is the fact you made a point that the leftist media mimics the leftist political philosophy.

00:26:52.000 It's top-down, it's hierarchical.

00:26:54.000 There's gatekeepers the whole way through.

00:26:56.000 And then you come to an event like this, and we're just throwing to people in the crowd, and we're getting them involved.

00:27:00.000 Right, and it's not just the left now.

00:27:02.000 It's the Republican establishment, too.

00:27:04.000 The person who's gotten beat up the most this weekend is Nikki Haley, and for good reason.

00:27:09.000 Contrast that with my approach to the news or running the Breitbart newsroom.

00:27:14.000 I've never once been afraid of what a billionaire has ever thought of my coverage, ever.

00:27:17.000 15 years at Breitbart, 10 years editor-in-chief, hundreds of stories a day.

00:27:21.000 I've never thought some billionaire might not like this story.

00:27:23.000 I'll tell you when I get afraid.

00:27:25.000 When I feel like the audience might not like this.

00:27:27.000 My readers, the people who are at home just reading on their phone, on their laptops, trying to keep up with the news.

00:27:35.000 They don't dictate what I report.

00:27:36.000 I always report the truth.

00:27:37.000 But I'll tell you, I'll feel afraid if I feel like the audience is not going to like this.

00:27:42.000 The Nikki Haleys of the world, they're afraid of what the billionaires are going to be saying about what she has to say when she's on that debate stage.

00:27:48.000 And that's not good.

00:27:50.000 Yeah, and I think you've seen that, as you said in the comments from the main stage, you had some pretty strong words from even Tucker Carlson, Vivek, I mean, Steve Bannon.

00:28:00.000 I mean, the list goes on.

00:28:02.000 I mean, she was, I think her and the RNC were probably the two main targets because both, just, you're right, they exude an establishment aura.

00:28:12.000 The way they operate, it's very exclusive.

00:28:15.000 And that is the key to this event, actually.

00:28:17.000 This is why this event is so popular: everybody's invited.

00:28:21.000 Everybody's involved.

00:28:22.000 That's why our media row is the most exciting, powerful place to be.

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00:29:31.000 I'm going to welcome in Ashton Hansen from Franklin, Tennessee.

00:29:35.000 I'm still with Alex Marlowe, editor-in-chief of Breitbart.

00:29:38.000 We're celebrating the real stories, the real fights that are happening in our communities, in our campuses.

00:29:44.000 So, Ashton, you live in a red city, a red town, red city.

00:29:48.000 It's kind of on the border, in a red state, but you guys are up against it nevertheless.

00:29:53.000 Tell us your story.

00:29:54.000 Oh, man, where do I begin?

00:29:55.000 I mean, I live in a red state, but it's really a blue city.

00:29:58.000 I live in Franklin, Tennessee, the home of Hallmark, the Hallmark picture of any type of town, if you want to call it.

00:30:05.000 It's a gorgeous place.

00:30:06.000 Oh, it's beautiful, but I mean, the underlying secret.

00:30:09.000 Yeah, the underlying secret is my mom actually ran for mayor, Gabrielle Hansen.

00:30:14.000 And what happened is she was part of a federal investigation behind what's actually happening.

00:30:19.000 There's billions of dollars that are being laundered through from Maricopa County into Williamson County, and thousands of bodies being trafficked by high state officials.

00:30:29.000 And so, what happened is my mom ran for mayor, and they found out that she was a part of this.

00:30:35.000 And a high-state official who's a part of this trafficking scheme.

00:30:39.000 She was investigating.

00:30:40.000 Yeah, she was a part of the investigation.

00:30:42.000 She joined in on it while she was running. 0.68

00:30:44.000 And a high state official paid News Channel 5 and Phil Williams to go after her and slander my entire family.

00:30:50.000 We had people showing up on the door threatening to kill us.

00:30:53.000 We had people going through our trash cans, trying to find things.

00:30:57.000 I mean, they even slandered my dad, who lives in downtown Chicago, and he's ran for Congress in the past.

00:31:03.000 Okay, so the story is basically: your mom was looking into some pretty intense allegations or possible criminal activity.

00:31:13.000 Yes.

00:31:14.000 Some local, powerful people found out about it, and they smeared your mother in her mayoral campaign.

00:31:21.000 And this is part of your story.

00:31:22.000 I mean, that sounds terrible.

00:31:24.000 I don't know the details, obviously, of that particular investigation, but this also inspired you to start getting involved with Turning Point.

00:31:33.000 Am I right?

00:31:34.000 Yes, it did.

00:31:35.000 So what truly got me started in Turning Point was actually my dad ran for Congress back in about 2010 and he stopped the election.

00:31:43.000 It was called the Chicago Haul.

00:31:45.000 It was a federal injunction to stop the election for fraud because what had happened is that.

00:31:49.000 There's no fraud in Chicago election.

00:31:52.000 That's never been established.

00:31:53.000 No.

00:31:54.000 But basically, there was fraud and he stopped the election on MLK Day because they were refusing to file paperwork because they had, quote unquote, lost it, even though it was filed.

00:32:04.000 So he had a halt for the mayoral election.

00:32:07.000 When they come after you and your family, does that embolden you or does that scare you off?

00:32:13.000 It makes me more confident because it makes me want to hit back even harder.

00:32:17.000 That's exactly what I hear every time I hear one of these stories.

00:32:20.000 It doesn't work.

00:32:21.000 The tactic doesn't work.

00:32:22.000 It just fires people up to get engaged and stay engaged.

00:32:25.000 Well, and I think that we are getting more of that spirit, more and more of that spirit, every year.

00:32:33.000 I think Trump has a lot to do with it.

00:32:34.000 Trump emboldened the base.

00:32:36.000 I think events like this have a lot to do with it.

00:32:38.000 I think activists like you catching the vision and saying, we're not going to take this anymore.

00:32:42.000 We're not going to take this lying down.

00:32:44.000 Again, I don't know the details of that particular case, but it sounds like what's happened to your family is a total travesty.

00:32:50.000 And what was the response from a community?

00:32:51.000 Did people come to your side?

00:32:54.000 The people who are quote-unquote Republican, they ran and hit.

00:32:58.000 They voted in a mayor who now allows socialist flags to fly around downtown Franklin.

00:33:06.000 They are, if you know anything about what the socialist flag is, it's a completely redded-out flag.

00:33:10.000 It has nothing on it.

00:33:12.000 And they are flying these on flagpoles in people's yards or on their flagpoles hanging off their homes.

00:33:17.000 And he's allowed Pride to come in and do sexually explicit things.

00:33:21.000 I mean, not to mention...

00:33:22.000 But hold on one second.

00:33:24.000 We're getting tight on time here, but I think of Franklin as like very red.

00:33:29.000 You've been there, Ben, right?

00:33:31.000 It's a very red town.

00:33:32.000 I mean, it's one of the most conservative towns in all of, but it's not, I guess.

00:33:36.000 No, it's not at all.

00:33:38.000 A great example was actually for Pride.

00:33:40.000 And my mom was an alderman at large before she ran for mayor.

00:33:44.000 And basically what happened is Pride, there was a tiebreaker in the mayor.

00:33:47.000 It's a weak mayor system, so the mayor has to make the tiebreaker.

00:33:50.000 So he did the tiebreaker on Pride, and Christians ended up getting thrown in jail and arrested over having a shirt that just said Jesus on it.

00:33:59.000 They were getting arrested for wanting to pray for people on a public property.

00:34:03.000 It's called Harlandsdale that's funded by taxpayer money.

00:34:07.000 And on top of that, it's a public event.

00:34:09.000 Well, folks, I don't know what to tell you, but when we say the institutions have been invaded, they really have.

00:34:15.000 When our country has been, the institutions have really been taken over.

00:34:19.000 They really have been.

00:34:20.000 This is happening in red America. 0.82

00:34:22.000 So this is why we hold events like this, to give people courage to fight back.

00:34:26.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:34:27.000 Everybody, email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:30.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

00:34:36.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

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