00:00:32.000We're talking about things we have learned, things we can improve, and who might actually be held accountable for what happened in this last election.
00:02:42.000Well, thank you, Jennifer, from Lexington, Kentucky.
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00:08:11.000I want to talk about signature verification.
00:08:14.000I want to talk about the lawsuits, how we're going to reform it, what we're doing right, what we're doing wrong.
00:08:18.000But first, what is the Amistad project and why did you name it?
00:08:23.000Well, it's named after actually a Spanish slave ship, La Amistad, which means friendship.
00:08:29.000And there was a slave revolt and they took over the ship and they wanted to sail to freedom, but they accidentally sailed to the United States.
00:08:37.000The Spanish tried to claim them as property and former President Adams represented these individuals.
00:08:44.000This is like 1840 in a case all the way up to the United States Supreme Court where they gained their freedom.
00:08:51.000So it's a remarkable, heroic story about people standing for what is right against a nation, including the United States at the time, and a culture that treated people as if they were property.
00:09:05.000And as you know, Charlie, what our faith teaches us is that every individual has value because they are created by God and that government does not have a right to diminish that value because it comes from God.
00:09:20.000And that's where our rights come from.
00:09:22.000And that has always been a battle to get a nation and a government to represent and respect individual liberty.
00:09:30.000The United States is just a blink of an eye in human history.
00:10:14.000And how are they allowed to get away with it?
00:10:17.000Well, I believe there's a couple of things.
00:10:19.000First of all, there's a gross misunderstanding, which I believe has been taught, Charlie, about the purpose and role of government.
00:10:26.000That if you were to spend time, and I'm sure you're familiar with this in a K through 12 education, you're going to learn that government's role is to protect us from all harm and even personal offense.
00:11:07.000We now live in an age of identity politics where your rights are determined by what group you're a part of and whether that group is currently favored by those in power.
00:11:17.000That is the building block of tyranny.
00:11:21.000It's also the foundation for all oppression of groups throughout human history.
00:11:28.000And I would say this, you asked me in a global picture.
00:11:33.000The sins of the father are repaid by the sins of the son.
00:11:38.000In other words, groups that were oppressed in America are thinking their best way to power is to oppress those groups that oppress them.
00:11:47.000And this cycle of what was good for the gander is good for the goose.
00:11:51.000Coming after you is the cycle of human history that's only pierced by one thing, and that is gifting something the world has not to gift, and that's grace.
00:12:01.000And it's treating one another with a respect that God would have us treat one another.
00:12:07.000And that is like speaking Latin to our culture today.
00:13:02.000These platforms are shutting people down.
00:13:04.000And there's such control over the flow of information in this digital age.
00:13:11.000It is stunning that a lot of Americans don't get the truth.
00:13:15.000The other, the mistake that we make as conservatives, and then I can get into the details on the election, is that we nationalize issues rather than recognize most issues are better handled at the local level.
00:13:28.000And when we nationalize issues, we cede power to Washington, D.C., and also national media that we don't need to.
00:13:36.000And that's a primary mistake that we make in this fight.
00:13:42.000What were our and were the most glaring aspects of election interference, shenanigans, playing with the way things are supposed to be done?
00:13:51.000And then, Phil, I want to ask you about some numbers that you guys published that talked about illegal ballots cast.
00:14:02.000Your organization, the Amistad Project, came out with a document of a certain amount of underage voters, certain amount of people moved out of state.
00:14:10.000And that was shown in Mike Lindell's video at the beginning of it.
00:14:36.000One, they ran a shadow government with private funding, and we'll get to that in a minute.
00:14:40.000And secondly, they used COVID and other avenues to set aside state laws that applied.
00:14:46.000And by setting aside those state laws, they undermined the ability to determine whether fraudulent ballots were cast.
00:14:54.000And whether that was by design, regardless, it was intentional and it happened in all the urban core cities of the swing states.
00:15:03.000And it happened to every place that Mark Zuckerberg money touched.
00:15:07.000So that shows a coordination and an intention.
00:15:11.000It's circumstantial evidence that they intended to do this.
00:15:14.000Now, let me get to the Secretary of State and I and how we got to the numbers.
00:15:19.000And there's an easy way to find out, and that's for Georgia to cooperate in a full, not an audit that they've done, which only validates the fraud, but a true audit, a forensic audit, like Arizona is thinking about doing and debating right now.
00:16:45.000So let's pretend when you were running the Attorney General's office in Kansas, if someone came to you and said, hey, I just ran an operation.
00:17:14.000Well, it's fascinating, and you're right to be confused by it, Charlie, because what we ought to do is team together to scrutinize the management of the election to improve.
00:17:26.000And let me give you some facts that are undisputed.
00:17:30.000And if people dispute them, it's clear that they're lying.
00:17:33.000One, we had an unprecedented election in 2020 where the rules were changed, often randomly, using COVID as an excuse or a reason, whether you believe it was a valid reason or not.
00:17:49.000Two, we had an unprecedented infusion of private funds through an organization that dictated how the election would be run by government officials.
00:18:01.000The private money exceeded the federal government's appropriation.
00:18:08.000And by the way, we've identified 10 other organizations where money's flowed through to manage the election too.
00:18:13.000We're talking about likely over total a billion dollars over a few years to manage this election and tell the state how to manage the election.
00:18:24.000Three, we had willful violations of law.
00:19:31.000In the urban core, where there was Zuckerberg money, you had everything from mobile ballot pickup units to drop boxes to fairs to handing out gifts to people who showed up to vote.
00:19:44.000Actually, they created professional witnesses that were paid by private money to help them do their absentee ballots.
00:19:51.000They targeted specific areas for turnout where there were Democratic voters.
00:19:55.000This is government doing this, not the private sector.
00:19:59.000It's the private sector running it and telling government what to do.
00:20:02.000You go to Republican areas, governors, blue state governors shut down in-person polling because of COVID.
00:20:39.000And as you and I have discussed in the past, we've seen this strategy before.
00:20:44.000It was the strategy of the Democrat Party of the deep south in the years of Jim Crow that targeted the demographic of the white voter to turn them out and targeted the demographic voter, a group, the black vote, to suppress the vote.
00:21:00.000And they did it in all kinds of creative ways.
00:21:36.000We're seeing this evidence of coordination and direction.
00:21:42.000Look, big tech has come after conservatives like we've never seen before.
00:21:48.000My entire CPAC speech, which many of you were very kind in praising, so thank you for that, was all about big tech.
00:21:58.000Now, look, every device, whether you're on your phone, laptop, or television, has a unique string of numbers called an IP address.
00:22:05.000When you search for stuff online, watch videos, or even click a link, big tech companies can use that IP address to track all your activity and tie it back to you.
00:22:14.000When I use ExpressVPN, my connection gets rerouted through their secure encrypted servers, so these companies can never see my IP address at all.
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00:23:19.000Well, we are suing the Center for Tech and Civic Life.
00:23:23.000And we are narrowing our focus to specific states.
00:23:27.000And we're also looking at potential litigation relating to the management of the election of certain election commissions.
00:23:33.000And I'm not ready to speak to that because the discovery is bringing that together and forming it.
00:23:40.000But we plan to get to the bottom of the impact of private money managing government services.
00:23:47.000So, Center for Technology Civic Life, you and I have talked about it, but we have a lot of new listeners since we've last done that.
00:23:53.000That was a formerly a couple hundred thousand dollar a year organization that was kind of a shell of an organization that overnight got a $400 to $500 million gift from one donor, Mark Zuckerberg, that allowed them to do what?
00:24:10.000Well, you go back to a book by David Plouffe, and actually it goes back further than this, and he laid out the strategy.
00:24:18.000David Plouffe was Obama's campaign manager.
00:24:22.000And in March of 2020, he published his book called The Citizen's Guide for Defeating Donald Trump.
00:24:27.000At that time, he was working for Zuckerberg and Zuckerberg's wife, Priscilla Chan.
00:24:32.000And in the book, he says, and this isn't rocket science, the 2020 election is likely to come down to a block-by-block street fight to turn out the vote in Philadelphia, in Milwaukee, and in Detroit.
00:24:45.000Soon afterwards, Zuckerberg gives the Center for Tech and Civic Life initially $250 million.
00:25:48.000So the legislature is required by federal law, as well as legal precedent, to kind of distribute those funds fairly across the state to manage the election.
00:25:57.000It would not be right if the state legislature, for example, put a voting location on every block of a white neighborhood and had no voting in the inner city.
00:26:10.000There'd be lawsuits and it would rightfully be prohibited.
00:26:57.000It violates some federal law probably about equal voting access, right?
00:27:04.000We believe it violates the Help America Vote Act, which the federal government provides monies and the states must submit a fair election plan to get those funds.
00:27:15.000Altering that plan requires public hearings, and we believe this violates that, as well as some other things.
00:27:22.000I have a lot of questions, but let's start here.
00:27:27.000The complaint that Mark Levin and many others, and myself included, were making, and you just said it, but you said it differently, is that the state legislature has to be the one that changes and conducts the way elections are actually done in our country.
00:28:07.000You know, it is remarkable that I, Charlie, when I first got elected to the legislature, I think I was 32 years old, if I'm remembering correctly.
00:28:33.000They deal in a fast-moving process, and most of them don't know their responsibility nor their authority.
00:28:39.000And they didn't exercise their proper authority.
00:28:44.000Legislatures determine the time, place, and manner of election, and they're the ones who determine the manner in which presidential electors are selected.
00:28:54.000Now, what we have in this country is they've delegated all that authority to the executive branch under the governor.
00:29:04.000And the governor has delegated that authority to minor election officials who are taught that they cannot question the election.
00:29:15.000It's called ministerial functions rather than discretionary functions.
00:29:20.000They have lawyers telling them, you must certify an election.
00:29:41.000I'm talking to you through a computer right now.
00:29:44.000You can see me, you can hear my voice.
00:29:47.000But if this machine was counting like it counts votes, we could not see how it operated unless we saw the computer logs and had the expertise to know what those logs mean, right?
00:29:59.000So we've ruined transparency in elections because most people can't see how this machine operates.
00:30:06.000And we've brought in experts to tell us whether they're operating.
00:30:09.000And I guess we just have to trust them.
00:30:11.000But here's the status of American law regarding those machines: the computer logs, which will show you whether there was improper access or whether there was malware or whether things were wrong.
00:30:25.000In the state contract between the vendor and the state, the state has agreed, the secretaries of state, that that stuff is proprietary and the American public can't see it.
00:30:39.000That's like we're going to hire a vote counter, give them all the votes, put them in a room, and let them come out and say, here's who won, and we can't watch.
00:30:51.000No, you see, the system we've created raises serious questions about how our elections are managed.
00:31:21.000Our need is to get elections correctly, not speed so that we can have a lot of advertising, have a lot of the talking heads on national television at night.
00:32:16.000Well, I can tell you some stories of evidence that we obtained that we never got answers to and did not get cooperation and investigation.
00:32:26.000You know, we came across a truck driver who drove from Beth Page, New York to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and I want to say it was October 21st, and he had anywhere from 140,000 to 250,000 completed ballots, absentee ballots, from Beth Page to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where all kinds of oddities occurred.
00:32:51.000And then he unhooked his trailer and his trailer disappeared.
00:32:55.000A trailer that he used every day was gone and the ballots were gone.
00:34:07.000I had evidence of this as Attorney General.
00:34:09.000We initiated an investigation, but we could not get any cooperation or assistance from other law enforcement because it was Planned Parenthood.
00:34:23.000Planned Parenthood has significant cultural reach.
00:34:26.000Prosecutors and investigators have enormous authority.
00:34:32.000They get to decide what they investigate and don't investigate.
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00:36:18.000I guess my question is: why doesn't the North Dakota Attorney General open a criminal investigation into the Zuckerboxes if even $1 of that Zuckerberg money went into it?
00:38:38.000I'm, I'm, and maybe you can help clarify this.
00:38:44.000If the states are not going to investigate this, which it doesn't look like there's any indication of that, the DOJ, they're not even going to get even close to this.
00:39:44.000Now, I've often said that America's greatest strength is it gets what it wants.
00:39:50.000And America's greatest weakness is it gets what it wants.
00:39:54.000If people would rather sit back, be comfortable, watch some football and basketball, not raise their head above the foxhole, we're going to lose our freedoms.
00:40:07.000And we're going to lose the ability to manage our elections.
00:40:10.000But I guarantee you, the great thing about having what I call a squish in office is they become one of you if you raise your voice loud enough.
00:43:28.000We actually believed that if somebody we disagreed with continued to speak an idea, we gave them a platform because we believe by reason we can refute that idea and speak a better idea.
00:43:41.000We saw free speech as so important that we were willing to protect the speech of those with whom we disagree.
00:43:49.000We need you all to raise that voice right now.
00:43:52.000I believe that's the most grave threat we face is government assault on free speech.
00:43:59.000And the fact that we have to have this conversation, we're going to be very careful where we're going to distribute it because if we distribute it on the wrong platform, this conversation won't exist and the platform won't exist.
00:44:12.000But Phil, I want to thank you for the great work you're doing.
00:44:14.000I want to have you back on to get updates on your lawsuits as they proceed.
00:44:19.000And I also want to have you back on to track some of these state legislatures that are doing their job and some that are not doing their job.
00:44:28.000It's not robust enough for my liking, but it's something.
00:44:31.000It's at least they're trying to do something in the right direction.
00:44:35.000But based on everything that you've told me, until we start to figure out the private money and the public elections, the changing of the rules, and then finally whether we're going to become a vote by mail country, that's a really important thing to figure out.
00:44:51.000Are we really going to become a vote-by-mail country?
00:45:18.000I am of the opinion that if you do not give up and you stay relentless, maybe you can get another attorney general in some state to do something.
00:45:29.000And there's plenty of good ones out there.
00:45:33.000They have thin staffs and they're going after sex trafficking and they're going after drugs and they're going after embezzlement.
00:45:39.000But if they could even put a couple of their attorneys on staff to do this, I am of the opinion you're going to uncover something, an email, a text message that I think will be a bombshell.
00:45:52.000I am of the belief that there's something there that will prove what they've already admitted on Time magazine, which was the shadow conspiracy to win the election, right?
00:46:03.000I can tell you we have evidence that is hard-hitting.
00:46:08.000And I'm sure you're going to build it and you're going to grow, right?
00:46:38.000I don't know how many months it's been.
00:46:39.000Well, see, Phil, this is the frustration is the Trump campaign and many others, they should have been listening to you and warning against this in July and August, maybe even getting Bill Barr to issue a letter.
00:46:51.000You know, stuff like that very well could have prevented this deluge of hundreds of millions of dollars that corrupted and interfered with our elections.
00:47:01.000You know, Charlie, sometime this, this is how I've spoken to some conservative and those who are gracious and support causes.
00:47:11.000I said, one of the issues that we have is we get excited after the train wreck.
00:47:17.000And you have to understand this train wreck has been planned for 15 years.
00:47:29.000And that is the reason why you shouldn't give up because we need to restore faith in our elections.
00:47:34.000And I believe that every little link that you piece together, the story you're going to tell, that's going to give these state legislators the confidence.
00:47:44.000Because basically, in 2022, we have two critical Senate races that I can think of, plus Wisconsin.
00:47:50.000But let's just take Georgia and Wisconsin, right?
00:47:54.000Let's take those two, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona.
00:47:58.000Those three are all in contention with what you've talked about.
00:48:01.000If they ban Center for Technology, Civic Life, or like-type organizations, it very well might change the landscape.