The Charlie Kirk Show - BREAKING Election Fraud Down, News on Lawsuits, Challenges to Interference and More with Phill Kline

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00:00:15.000 We are sticking to the facts, as always, here with Phil Klein, former Attorney General of Kansas from the Amistad Project.

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00:00:27.000 Why are other attorney generals not looking into what happened?

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00:07:40.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:07:43.000 We are joined today by my friend Phil Klein, who runs the Amistad Project.

00:07:49.000 I'm going to ask him about what the heck that name means.

00:07:51.000 But, Phil, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:07:53.000 Great to be with you, Charlie.

00:07:55.000 So Phil, I want to talk about everything you're not allowed to talk about, which is the integrity of our elections.

00:08:01.000 I want to talk about.

00:08:01.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:08:03.000 Yeah, you're going to be canceled.

00:08:05.000 You're going to incite violence.

00:08:06.000 Your speech should be restricted.

00:08:08.000 And that seems to be the new normal.

00:08:10.000 I want to talk about drop boxes.

00:08:11.000 I want to talk about signature verification.

00:08:14.000 I want to talk about the lawsuits, how we're going to reform it, what we're doing right, what we're doing wrong.

00:08:18.000 But first, what is the Amistad project and why did you name it?

00:08:23.000 Well, it's named after actually a Spanish slave ship, La Amistad, which means friendship.

00:08:29.000 And there was a slave revolt and they took over the ship and they wanted to sail to freedom, but they accidentally sailed to the United States.

00:08:37.000 The Spanish tried to claim them as property and former President Adams represented these individuals.

00:08:44.000 This is like 1840 in a case all the way up to the United States Supreme Court where they gained their freedom.

00:08:51.000 So it's a remarkable, heroic story about people standing for what is right against a nation, including the United States at the time, and a culture that treated people as if they were property.

00:09:04.000 Wow.

00:09:05.000 And as you know, Charlie, what our faith teaches us is that every individual has value because they are created by God and that government does not have a right to diminish that value because it comes from God.

00:09:20.000 And that's where our rights come from.

00:09:22.000 And that has always been a battle to get a nation and a government to represent and respect individual liberty.

00:09:30.000 The United States is just a blink of an eye in human history.

00:09:34.000 And this story is always a journey.

00:09:36.000 And I appreciate your leadership on it.

00:09:38.000 And we're in that fight right now in America.

00:09:40.000 Amen.

00:09:41.000 Well, I love that story.

00:09:42.000 And that's why we're doing what we're doing and why we're here today.

00:09:45.000 So, okay, let's get right into it.

00:09:48.000 Phil, the frustration from our listeners can't even be put into words.

00:09:54.000 We have thousands and thousands of listeners that are saying they'll never vote again.

00:09:59.000 They're not being listened to.

00:10:00.000 The Supreme Court's not taking cases.

00:10:02.000 Our elections are corrupt.

00:10:03.000 They're broken.

00:10:04.000 They're interfered with.

00:10:05.000 I want to just start with a big picture.

00:10:08.000 What is going on?

00:10:09.000 Why is this so difficult?

00:10:11.000 Why are these issues still here?

00:10:14.000 And how are they allowed to get away with it?

00:10:17.000 Well, I believe there's a couple of things.

00:10:19.000 First of all, there's a gross misunderstanding, which I believe has been taught, Charlie, about the purpose and role of government.

00:10:26.000 That if you were to spend time, and I'm sure you're familiar with this in a K through 12 education, you're going to learn that government's role is to protect us from all harm and even personal offense.

00:10:40.000 And that's not government's role.

00:10:42.000 Government's role is to protect inherent rights and to allow us to engage in society in liberty and freedom.

00:10:51.000 Now, the distinction is important because liberty is one of the most vulnerable places you can find yourself.

00:11:00.000 It calls you to self-responsibility.

00:11:02.000 It means that you must treat others with respect.

00:11:05.000 It means that individuals have value.

00:11:07.000 We now live in an age of identity politics where your rights are determined by what group you're a part of and whether that group is currently favored by those in power.

00:11:17.000 That is the building block of tyranny.

00:11:21.000 It's also the foundation for all oppression of groups throughout human history.

00:11:28.000 And I would say this, you asked me in a global picture.

00:11:31.000 The pendulum swings.

00:11:33.000 The sins of the father are repaid by the sins of the son.

00:11:38.000 In other words, groups that were oppressed in America are thinking their best way to power is to oppress those groups that oppress them.

00:11:47.000 And this cycle of what was good for the gander is good for the goose.

00:11:51.000 Coming after you is the cycle of human history that's only pierced by one thing, and that is gifting something the world has not to gift, and that's grace.

00:12:01.000 And it's treating one another with a respect that God would have us treat one another.

00:12:07.000 And that is like speaking Latin to our culture today.

00:12:13.000 And so people don't heed its call.

00:12:15.000 And their fear is manipulated, their anger is manipulated by those in power to perpetuate their own power.

00:12:22.000 How did they get away with it?

00:12:24.000 They used these very tactics.

00:12:27.000 They said that if you question government, you're undermining democracy.

00:12:32.000 Well, you know, that's Orwellian.

00:12:34.000 I think the foundation of a democracy is questioning government.

00:12:39.000 And we have to examine these issues.

00:12:42.000 They have, and thank God, you're up on what is your platform?

00:12:47.000 What all do you air on?

00:12:49.000 We use, we have, we air it on radio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, a little bit of a different distribution mechanism.

00:12:56.000 We have different places, we put it.

00:12:58.000 Okay, well, you know what they're doing to silence dissent.

00:13:01.000 Of course.

00:13:02.000 These platforms are shutting people down.

00:13:04.000 And there's such control over the flow of information in this digital age.

00:13:11.000 It is stunning that a lot of Americans don't get the truth.

00:13:15.000 The other, the mistake that we make as conservatives, and then I can get into the details on the election, is that we nationalize issues rather than recognize most issues are better handled at the local level.

00:13:28.000 And when we nationalize issues, we cede power to Washington, D.C., and also national media that we don't need to.

00:13:36.000 And that's a primary mistake that we make in this fight.

00:13:39.000 So let's get into the specifics.

00:13:42.000 What were our and were the most glaring aspects of election interference, shenanigans, playing with the way things are supposed to be done?

00:13:51.000 And then, Phil, I want to ask you about some numbers that you guys published that talked about illegal ballots cast.

00:13:59.000 Let's just take Georgia, for example.

00:14:02.000 Your organization, the Amistad Project, came out with a document of a certain amount of underage voters, certain amount of people moved out of state.

00:14:10.000 And that was shown in Mike Lindell's video at the beginning of it.

00:14:15.000 Those were your numbers.

00:14:16.000 But then the Georgia Secretary of State says none of this is true.

00:14:20.000 So why are you and the Georgia Secretary of State so far apart?

00:14:26.000 How did you get to those numbers?

00:14:28.000 Well, we got to those numbers by, first of all, you asked what is some of the most flagrant violations.

00:14:34.000 And we've got a couple.

00:14:36.000 One, they ran a shadow government with private funding, and we'll get to that in a minute.

00:14:40.000 And secondly, they used COVID and other avenues to set aside state laws that applied.

00:14:46.000 And by setting aside those state laws, they undermined the ability to determine whether fraudulent ballots were cast.

00:14:54.000 And whether that was by design, regardless, it was intentional and it happened in all the urban core cities of the swing states.

00:15:03.000 And it happened to every place that Mark Zuckerberg money touched.

00:15:07.000 So that shows a coordination and an intention.

00:15:11.000 It's circumstantial evidence that they intended to do this.

00:15:14.000 Now, let me get to the Secretary of State and I and how we got to the numbers.

00:15:19.000 And there's an easy way to find out, and that's for Georgia to cooperate in a full, not an audit that they've done, which only validates the fraud, but a true audit, a forensic audit, like Arizona is thinking about doing and debating right now.

00:15:34.000 And that's just part of it.

00:15:36.000 But what we did is we took those violations of law or how they changed law, and we looked at the ballots that it affected.

00:15:44.000 And then we reached out to the actual voters.

00:15:48.000 Called a random set of people that fell within these groups.

00:15:52.000 We had expert mathematicians tell us the number of people we needed to call.

00:15:57.000 We had people design the questioning and reach out and say, now the election rolls show this for you.

00:16:04.000 What did you do?

00:16:06.000 And so we had people tell us, well, it says I got an absentee ballot.

00:16:12.000 I never requested one.

00:16:14.000 It says I didn't vote.

00:16:15.000 Yes, I voted.

00:16:17.000 And we actually spoke with the voters.

00:16:19.000 Now, could they be lying to us?

00:16:21.000 Perhaps.

00:16:22.000 But to the point that it undermines the thousands that we called?

00:16:26.000 Likely not.

00:16:28.000 And what that does is raise questions.

00:16:30.000 And those questions deserve answers.

00:16:33.000 And there's a way to answer them.

00:16:35.000 And many of the elected officials who have that responsibility don't even want the scrutiny.

00:16:41.000 So you're the former Attorney General of Kansas.

00:16:43.000 You have a lot of credibility.

00:16:45.000 So let's pretend when you were running the Attorney General's office in Kansas, if someone came to you and said, hey, I just ran an operation.

00:16:52.000 I did a couple thousand calls.

00:16:53.000 Here's the information.

00:16:54.000 That would be enough for you to open an investigation, would it not?

00:16:57.000 It would be enough for you to look into widespread criminal behavior.

00:17:02.000 Are these what am I missing here?

00:17:06.000 Why is Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, they don't want to reveal their own inadequacies?

00:17:12.000 How is this possible?

00:17:14.000 Well, it's fascinating, and you're right to be confused by it, Charlie, because what we ought to do is team together to scrutinize the management of the election to improve.

00:17:26.000 And let me give you some facts that are undisputed.

00:17:30.000 And if people dispute them, it's clear that they're lying.

00:17:33.000 Okay.

00:17:33.000 One, we had an unprecedented election in 2020 where the rules were changed, often randomly, using COVID as an excuse or a reason, whether you believe it was a valid reason or not.

00:17:46.000 Nobody can deny that.

00:17:48.000 All the rules changed.

00:17:49.000 Two, we had an unprecedented infusion of private funds through an organization that dictated how the election would be run by government officials.

00:18:01.000 The private money exceeded the federal government's appropriation.

00:18:05.000 And that was the election.

00:18:06.000 That was Zuckerberg.

00:18:07.000 Yes.

00:18:08.000 And by the way, we've identified 10 other organizations where money's flowed through to manage the election too.

00:18:13.000 We're talking about likely over total a billion dollars over a few years to manage this election and tell the state how to manage the election.

00:18:24.000 Three, we had willful violations of law.

00:18:28.000 Okay.

00:18:29.000 And, you know, I've been asked by the media, what's evidence that the election may have been fraudulent or so forth.

00:18:37.000 I said, well, people don't violate the law intentionally without a reason.

00:18:42.000 Why would you violate the law regarding one ballot?

00:18:47.000 You know, why would you risk possible criminal sanction regarding one ballot?

00:18:52.000 You don't.

00:18:54.000 Why would you violate the law?

00:18:57.000 And there are several violations of law that occur.

00:19:01.000 Fourth, we had different areas run the election in the same state than other areas.

00:19:08.000 We created a two-tier election system.

00:19:11.000 That's a violation of one of the primary tenets of American jurisprudence, equal protection under the law.

00:19:18.000 We're all to be treated equally.

00:19:20.000 Every vote is to be counted the same.

00:19:22.000 Every voter should have the same opportunity to vote.

00:19:26.000 We didn't have that in America.

00:19:28.000 And that is undisputed.

00:19:31.000 In the urban core, where there was Zuckerberg money, you had everything from mobile ballot pickup units to drop boxes to fairs to handing out gifts to people who showed up to vote.

00:19:44.000 Actually, they created professional witnesses that were paid by private money to help them do their absentee ballots.

00:19:51.000 They targeted specific areas for turnout where there were Democratic voters.

00:19:55.000 This is government doing this, not the private sector.

00:19:59.000 It's the private sector running it and telling government what to do.

00:20:02.000 You go to Republican areas, governors, blue state governors shut down in-person polling because of COVID.

00:20:09.000 I'll give you just one example.

00:20:12.000 In Pennsylvania, there was, I call them zucker boxes, not drop boxes, because he paid for them.

00:20:17.000 There was one Dropbox for every four square miles in Delaware County.

00:20:21.000 That is a strong Democrat area.

00:20:24.000 In the Republican areas that Trump won, 59 counties in Pennsylvania that he won in 2016, one Dropbox for every 1,159 square miles.

00:20:35.000 That's undisputed.

00:20:37.000 Government created a two-tier system.

00:20:39.000 And as you and I have discussed in the past, we've seen this strategy before. 0.56

00:20:44.000 It was the strategy of the Democrat Party of the deep south in the years of Jim Crow that targeted the demographic of the white voter to turn them out and targeted the demographic voter, a group, the black vote, to suppress the vote. 0.63

00:21:00.000 And they did it in all kinds of creative ways. 0.67

00:21:02.000 And guess what?

00:21:03.000 That happened this time.

00:21:05.000 We're going to turn out Democrats in the urban core and we're going to suppress the vote in rural America.

00:21:11.000 That's the swing states.

00:21:13.000 That's Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Arizona.

00:21:19.000 So this was coordinated, and you can see that coordination in ideas and action well before the 2020 election.

00:21:29.000 And now we're seeing it in our litigation.

00:21:32.000 Our litigation is still continuing.

00:21:33.000 We're getting discovery.

00:21:34.000 We're finding the emails.

00:21:36.000 We're seeing this evidence of coordination and direction.

00:21:42.000 Look, big tech has come after conservatives like we've never seen before.

00:21:48.000 My entire CPAC speech, which many of you were very kind in praising, so thank you for that, was all about big tech.

00:21:58.000 Now, look, every device, whether you're on your phone, laptop, or television, has a unique string of numbers called an IP address.

00:22:05.000 When you search for stuff online, watch videos, or even click a link, big tech companies can use that IP address to track all your activity and tie it back to you.

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00:23:05.000 Talk about your litigation.

00:23:07.000 What is your complaint?

00:23:08.000 Who are you suing?

00:23:10.000 What courts?

00:23:11.000 What is your progress?

00:23:12.000 Give us the specific update.

00:23:14.000 Our audience wants to know who is still trying to get to the bottom of this.

00:23:19.000 Yeah.

00:23:19.000 Well, we are suing the Center for Tech and Civic Life.

00:23:23.000 And we are narrowing our focus to specific states.

00:23:27.000 And we're also looking at potential litigation relating to the management of the election of certain election commissions.

00:23:33.000 And I'm not ready to speak to that because the discovery is bringing that together and forming it.

00:23:40.000 But we plan to get to the bottom of the impact of private money managing government services.

00:23:47.000 So, Center for Technology Civic Life, you and I have talked about it, but we have a lot of new listeners since we've last done that.

00:23:53.000 That was a formerly a couple hundred thousand dollar a year organization that was kind of a shell of an organization that overnight got a $400 to $500 million gift from one donor, Mark Zuckerberg, that allowed them to do what?

00:24:10.000 Well, you go back to a book by David Plouffe, and actually it goes back further than this, and he laid out the strategy.

00:24:18.000 David Plouffe was Obama's campaign manager.

00:24:22.000 And in March of 2020, he published his book called The Citizen's Guide for Defeating Donald Trump.

00:24:27.000 At that time, he was working for Zuckerberg and Zuckerberg's wife, Priscilla Chan.

00:24:32.000 And in the book, he says, and this isn't rocket science, the 2020 election is likely to come down to a block-by-block street fight to turn out the vote in Philadelphia, in Milwaukee, and in Detroit.

00:24:45.000 Soon afterwards, Zuckerberg gives the Center for Tech and Civic Life initially $250 million.

00:24:51.000 He upped it to $350 million.

00:24:53.000 He also gave another $50 million to a group called the Center for Election Research and Innovation.

00:24:58.000 And then there are some other groups involved in this.

00:25:00.000 And this is Google money.

00:25:02.000 This is big tech money joining Zuckerberg money.

00:25:05.000 So this group starts reaching out.

00:25:07.000 In May of 2020, they reach out to the mayor of Racine, Wisconsin, and they say, look, we're going to give you $100,000.

00:25:15.000 You go find these four cities, talk to the mayor of Green Bay, talk to the mayor of Milwaukee, talk to the mayor of Madison.

00:25:23.000 There's somebody else in there.

00:25:24.000 I forget.

00:25:25.000 I'm sorry.

00:25:26.000 And we're going to ask you to give them some of this money so you guys can develop the plan for safe elections in Wisconsin.

00:25:35.000 Well, there's a problem with that.

00:25:37.000 That is the United States Constitution gives that authority to the state legislature.

00:25:42.000 And government's role is not to put their thumb on the scale.

00:25:46.000 It's to treat everybody equally.

00:25:48.000 So the legislature is required by federal law, as well as legal precedent, to kind of distribute those funds fairly across the state to manage the election. 0.54

00:25:57.000 It would not be right if the state legislature, for example, put a voting location on every block of a white neighborhood and had no voting in the inner city. 0.76

00:26:10.000 There'd be lawsuits and it would rightfully be prohibited. 0.89

00:26:13.000 These monies have to be spread out.

00:26:16.000 But instead of going to the legislature, they went to city mayors and they asked them to design the plan.

00:26:24.000 And that plan was in areas that Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly won in 2016.

00:26:31.000 So in Wisconsin, for example, you had every area where Republicans are dominant roughly receive $4 a voter to manage the election.

00:26:41.000 In the urban core, $47 a voter, thanks to Zuckerberg money.

00:26:47.000 That's not right.

00:26:49.000 We can't have elections brought to you by Pepsi-Cola.

00:26:53.000 And it should be illegal.

00:26:56.000 And we believe it is.

00:26:57.000 It violates some federal law probably about equal voting access, right?

00:27:04.000 We believe it violates the Help America Vote Act, which the federal government provides monies and the states must submit a fair election plan to get those funds.

00:27:15.000 Altering that plan requires public hearings, and we believe this violates that, as well as some other things.

00:27:22.000 I have a lot of questions, but let's start here.

00:27:27.000 The complaint that Mark Levin and many others, and myself included, were making, and you just said it, but you said it differently, is that the state legislature has to be the one that changes and conducts the way elections are actually done in our country.

00:27:44.000 That's right.

00:27:45.000 A complaint on this was brought to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court said, We don't want to see it.

00:27:51.000 We don't want to talk about it.

00:27:52.000 We don't want to hear the argument.

00:27:56.000 Then, what's to prevent that from happening again?

00:28:00.000 Well, nothing.

00:28:02.000 Okay.

00:28:03.000 Unless state legislators wake up.

00:28:07.000 You know, it is remarkable that I, Charlie, when I first got elected to the legislature, I think I was 32 years old, if I'm remembering correctly.

00:28:17.000 That's been a little while.

00:28:20.000 And my first six to nine months was my leadership telling me that I didn't have any authority in what I can't do.

00:28:28.000 Legislatures are part-time in the state.

00:28:31.000 They have part-time staff.

00:28:33.000 They deal in a fast-moving process, and most of them don't know their responsibility nor their authority.

00:28:39.000 And they didn't exercise their proper authority.

00:28:44.000 Legislatures determine the time, place, and manner of election, and they're the ones who determine the manner in which presidential electors are selected.

00:28:54.000 Now, what we have in this country is they've delegated all that authority to the executive branch under the governor.

00:29:04.000 And the governor has delegated that authority to minor election officials who are taught that they cannot question the election.

00:29:15.000 It's called ministerial functions rather than discretionary functions.

00:29:20.000 They have lawyers telling them, you must certify an election.

00:29:23.000 You don't have a choice.

00:29:24.000 So, in other words, nobody is overseeing our elections.

00:29:29.000 And nobody is looking into these questions adequately.

00:29:33.000 And there's not a process to do it.

00:29:35.000 And there are many examples in law that show this.

00:29:38.000 I'll give you one example.

00:29:40.000 Let's talk machines.

00:29:41.000 I'm talking to you through a computer right now.

00:29:44.000 You can see me, you can hear my voice.

00:29:47.000 But if this machine was counting like it counts votes, we could not see how it operated unless we saw the computer logs and had the expertise to know what those logs mean, right?

00:29:59.000 So we've ruined transparency in elections because most people can't see how this machine operates.

00:30:06.000 And we've brought in experts to tell us whether they're operating.

00:30:09.000 And I guess we just have to trust them.

00:30:11.000 But here's the status of American law regarding those machines: the computer logs, which will show you whether there was improper access or whether there was malware or whether things were wrong.

00:30:25.000 In the state contract between the vendor and the state, the state has agreed, the secretaries of state, that that stuff is proprietary and the American public can't see it.

00:30:37.000 Now, that's insane.

00:30:39.000 That's like we're going to hire a vote counter, give them all the votes, put them in a room, and let them come out and say, here's who won, and we can't watch.

00:30:51.000 No, you see, the system we've created raises serious questions about how our elections are managed.

00:30:59.000 And why do we have the machines?

00:31:02.000 We have them for convenience.

00:31:05.000 They're not needed.

00:31:07.000 We went with paper for, well, a long, long time.

00:31:12.000 And we do it because we want speed and we want the media to be able to report the winner on election night.

00:31:19.000 There's no need for that.

00:31:21.000 Our need is to get elections correctly, not speed so that we can have a lot of advertising, have a lot of the talking heads on national television at night.

00:31:31.000 The networks can make a lot of money.

00:31:33.000 No, we're not even doing that anymore.

00:31:37.000 What's that?

00:31:37.000 We're not even announcing a winner on election night anyway.

00:31:40.000 So, if that's the argument, the winner is actually on January 20th under the Constitution, but the media tries.

00:31:49.000 The media tries.

00:31:50.000 So, let's say in a theoretical thought exercise, I appoint you as Attorney General of the United States.

00:31:58.000 You were Kansas Attorney General.

00:32:00.000 You're the Attorney General of the United States.

00:32:02.000 Where do you start looking into all this?

00:32:04.000 Where do you have reasonable cause to open investigations?

00:32:07.000 Where should we have been investigating?

00:32:11.000 And why wasn't it done?

00:32:16.000 Well, I can tell you some stories of evidence that we obtained that we never got answers to and did not get cooperation and investigation.

00:32:26.000 You know, we came across a truck driver who drove from Beth Page, New York to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and I want to say it was October 21st, and he had anywhere from 140,000 to 250,000 completed ballots, absentee ballots, from Beth Page to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where all kinds of oddities occurred.

00:32:51.000 And then he unhooked his trailer and his trailer disappeared.

00:32:55.000 A trailer that he used every day was gone and the ballots were gone.

00:33:00.000 There's an easy way.

00:33:01.000 We got cooperation from the doc of Beth Page.

00:33:04.000 We got people talking about it.

00:33:05.000 There's an easy way to investigate that.

00:33:07.000 And that is there's GPS.

00:33:10.000 There are postal records.

00:33:12.000 There are all kinds of ways you can verify that.

00:33:14.000 To our knowledge, nobody has really looked into it.

00:33:17.000 Even though we shared that.

00:33:18.000 No, but how is that possible? 0.98

00:33:21.000 When Lady Gaga's dogs get shot, the FBI gets deployed.

00:33:25.000 When Jesse Smollett has a rope on his neck that he makes up, the FBI gets deployed.

00:33:31.000 When Bubba Wallace has a rope on his garage, how is this not of a concern?

00:33:38.000 I mean, it's a very simple investigation versus some of these complex financial investigations they go through.

00:33:45.000 Let me throw a couple of examples by you that you might be familiar with that I have experienced in my life.

00:33:55.000 Are underage children brought to abortion clinics by those who abuse them?

00:33:59.000 Are underage?

00:34:01.000 Yeah, probably.

00:34:02.000 Yes.

00:34:03.000 That's how you get rid of the evidence.

00:34:05.000 It is known.

00:34:07.000 I had evidence of this as Attorney General.

00:34:09.000 We initiated an investigation, but we could not get any cooperation or assistance from other law enforcement because it was Planned Parenthood.

00:34:23.000 Planned Parenthood has significant cultural reach.

00:34:26.000 Prosecutors and investigators have enormous authority.

00:34:32.000 They get to decide what they investigate and don't investigate.

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00:36:18.000 I guess my question is: why doesn't the North Dakota Attorney General open a criminal investigation into the Zuckerboxes if even $1 of that Zuckerberg money went into it?

00:36:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:30.000 Like you have subpoena power.

00:36:32.000 You can start to get some.

00:36:33.000 I mean, if the federal government's not going to do it, I'm failing to see.

00:36:38.000 It takes political will.

00:36:40.000 It takes political will. 0.97

00:36:41.000 So the argument is basically out of 50 attorney generals, they're all cowards, every single one. 0.94

00:36:47.000 Well, no, I wouldn't say that. 0.96

00:36:49.000 I would say that, but they don't know.

00:36:51.000 Oh, but many are distracted.

00:36:52.000 But many have other priorities.

00:36:54.000 How is that possible?

00:36:57.000 Phil, I'm not tracking with this, to be honest with you, because it's like this is the greatest scam ever pulled on the American people.

00:37:05.000 We have thousands, millions of people that are never going to vote again, and we can't get a subpoena to the Center for Tech.

00:37:11.000 Maybe it's already happened for the Center for Technology of Civic Life.

00:37:15.000 Let me put it this way: I'm the only prosecutor in our nation's history to get a subpoena of Planned Parenthood records and receive them.

00:37:22.000 No prosecutor has tried since because I'm a former attorney general, right?

00:37:28.000 I'm on the Planned Parenthood trophy case.

00:37:30.000 I'm there.

00:37:31.000 They show it around.

00:37:32.000 They say, You want to take on tough cases?

00:37:34.000 Guess what?

00:37:34.000 We'll do.

00:37:36.000 And that's the game that they play.

00:37:38.000 And do you know what Attorney General stands for?

00:37:41.000 No.

00:37:41.000 Aspiring governor.

00:37:42.000 Yeah, that's funny.

00:37:43.000 That's funny.

00:37:44.000 You know, we have people who wrestle ghosts masquerade as leaders in this country.

00:37:53.000 If I do this and I get these polling numbers and this person dies in a plane crash, I will become emperor.

00:38:01.000 And you cannot do that in tough investigations.

00:38:05.000 What you have to do is set it aside and do what's right.

00:38:09.000 And I'm not saying there's no people who do that.

00:38:13.000 You know, how many fights can you take on?

00:38:15.000 There are people taking on important fights right now.

00:38:18.000 And they cannot continuously take on new ones.

00:38:22.000 But what we allow to pass for leadership in this country, no.

00:38:29.000 A lot of people in office believe they are virtuous because they hold the office, not because of what they do with that office.

00:38:36.000 Right.

00:38:37.000 I agree with that.

00:38:38.000 I'm, I'm, and maybe you can help clarify this.

00:38:44.000 If the states are not going to investigate this, which it doesn't look like there's any indication of that, the DOJ, they're not even going to get even close to this.

00:38:52.000 That's that ship has sailed.

00:38:54.000 Your civil litigation is proceeding, but they're going to try to stall out the clock, and you'll probably find some stuff.

00:39:02.000 What is the path forward to fix this?

00:39:06.000 Okay, it's the state legislatures and it's the people.

00:39:08.000 But they're not going to do anything.

00:39:09.000 State legislators are a waste of time.

00:39:12.000 I don't agree.

00:39:15.000 When you put in the time and you teach them, there's some good folks down there.

00:39:19.000 And the reason is they can maintain their positions.

00:39:23.000 They're not vulnerable.

00:39:25.000 Charlie, when I was a state legislator, they came after me all the time.

00:39:29.000 All I needed to do is walk and knock on the doors.

00:39:32.000 They couldn't defeat me.

00:39:33.000 You know, no matter how much money they threw at me, they couldn't defeat me.

00:39:37.000 So you can get great progress.

00:39:39.000 Plus, there's more common sense at the local level.

00:39:43.000 And we need to engage it.

00:39:44.000 Now, I've often said that America's greatest strength is it gets what it wants.

00:39:50.000 And America's greatest weakness is it gets what it wants.

00:39:54.000 If people would rather sit back, be comfortable, watch some football and basketball, not raise their head above the foxhole, we're going to lose our freedoms.

00:40:06.000 Yeah.

00:40:07.000 And we're going to lose the ability to manage our elections. 1.00

00:40:10.000 But I guarantee you, the great thing about having what I call a squish in office is they become one of you if you raise your voice loud enough. 0.75

00:40:20.000 Like Brian Kemp. 0.99

00:40:21.000 Yeah.

00:40:23.000 So, you know, we, we've, and you're doing it.

00:40:26.000 You're speaking to an audience.

00:40:28.000 They might be cynical.

00:40:30.000 They might be distrusting of government.

00:40:32.000 They might even be angry, but the answer is not to check out.

00:40:35.000 No, I don't, I think people are, I think people are wondering what to do.

00:40:40.000 And, you know, I'm here in Arizona and just trying to get these state legislators to care about this is so difficult, right?

00:40:48.000 And they're contemplating some of this stuff, but just it's very difficult at times to do that.

00:40:55.000 I'm not saying it's impossible.

00:40:56.000 And so I want to kind of close with this thought, which is the different avenues, right?

00:41:03.000 So you have your litigation front at the Amistad project, which is terrific.

00:41:08.000 The Center for Technology and Civic Life, they're going to try to do this again in the midterms.

00:41:13.000 They are going to try to normalize this.

00:41:15.000 They're going to try to pass HR1 and make this happen permanently.

00:41:20.000 So the pressure on the state legislators is super important.

00:41:24.000 What else can people do?

00:41:26.000 This is one of the reasons I wanted to have you on the podcast, Phil, because we have to keep talking about this and not forget about it.

00:41:32.000 I have to keep resurfacing this issue.

00:41:35.000 And I know the demand is there amongst our audience, right?

00:41:38.000 Our audience, the number one emails I get is: Charlie, I'm never going to vote again.

00:41:43.000 I'm done.

00:41:44.000 I say, hold on a second.

00:41:45.000 That's not the right choice.

00:41:46.000 But the sentiment is the whole system is completely screwed against me, right?

00:41:51.000 And I try to tell Republicans, you better do something to fix this.

00:41:56.000 So what are the steps?

00:41:57.000 What are the different action tasks that you would recommend?

00:42:03.000 We have and we have created grassroots movements in primarily the swing states, but it's expanding.

00:42:10.000 And we create voter alliance groups.

00:42:13.000 And we're very interested in hearing from you.

00:42:15.000 You can go to God-freedom.com, God-G-O-T-Freedom.com and learn more about it.

00:42:23.000 And also reach out to us so we can plug you in.

00:42:27.000 We have people coming from all over the nation who want to be educated about election laws.

00:42:33.000 And we are doing that.

00:42:34.000 You know, we're networking those people and getting them engaged in this process.

00:42:39.000 Got Freedom is also engaged, as you are, in lending voice to those people who don't have voice.

00:42:46.000 You know, in this cancel culture, we have so many people who speak for us rather than listen to us.

00:42:52.000 Yes.

00:42:53.000 We make a comment about an issue and some group takes it, twists it, and then manipulates it to either cancel you or forward their agenda.

00:43:03.000 And we're trying to, as you are, allow for voice at God-freedom.com or.org.

00:43:10.000 So you can get involved that way.

00:43:12.000 And I would also like to encourage particularly your generation, Charlie.

00:43:18.000 I grew up in a time when we understood the importance of free speech.

00:43:23.000 We didn't threaten people because of their speech. 0.99

00:43:26.000 We didn't try to shut up a fool.

00:43:28.000 We actually believed that if somebody we disagreed with continued to speak an idea, we gave them a platform because we believe by reason we can refute that idea and speak a better idea. 0.71

00:43:41.000 We saw free speech as so important that we were willing to protect the speech of those with whom we disagree.

00:43:49.000 We need you all to raise that voice right now.

00:43:52.000 I believe that's the most grave threat we face is government assault on free speech.

00:43:58.000 Well, I totally agree.

00:43:59.000 And the fact that we have to have this conversation, we're going to be very careful where we're going to distribute it because if we distribute it on the wrong platform, this conversation won't exist and the platform won't exist.

00:44:12.000 But Phil, I want to thank you for the great work you're doing.

00:44:14.000 I want to have you back on to get updates on your lawsuits as they proceed.

00:44:19.000 And I also want to have you back on to track some of these state legislatures that are doing their job and some that are not doing their job.

00:44:26.000 I know Georgia just passed a bill.

00:44:28.000 It's not robust enough for my liking, but it's something.

00:44:31.000 It's at least they're trying to do something in the right direction.

00:44:35.000 But based on everything that you've told me, until we start to figure out the private money and the public elections, the changing of the rules, and then finally whether we're going to become a vote by mail country, that's a really important thing to figure out.

00:44:51.000 Are we really going to become a vote-by-mail country?

00:44:53.000 And the answer should be no. 0.93

00:44:55.000 The Democrats want to take it there because it just allows ballot laundering. 1.00

00:45:00.000 You allow granny farming. 1.00

00:45:01.000 All these different practices are allowed to be open there. 1.00

00:45:05.000 But I want to thank you for your fixation on this.

00:45:08.000 And it's very important because a lot of people have given up, truly.

00:45:13.000 Well, thank you.

00:45:13.000 And your summary was very, very good.

00:45:16.000 I think you hit it.

00:45:18.000 It's critical.

00:45:18.000 I am of the opinion that if you do not give up and you stay relentless, maybe you can get another attorney general in some state to do something.

00:45:29.000 And there's plenty of good ones out there.

00:45:31.000 I was just meeting with some of them.

00:45:32.000 And you're right.

00:45:33.000 They have thin staffs and they're going after sex trafficking and they're going after drugs and they're going after embezzlement.

00:45:39.000 But if they could even put a couple of their attorneys on staff to do this, I am of the opinion you're going to uncover something, an email, a text message that I think will be a bombshell.

00:45:52.000 I am of the belief that there's something there that will prove what they've already admitted on Time magazine, which was the shadow conspiracy to win the election, right?

00:46:03.000 I can tell you we have evidence that is hard-hitting.

00:46:08.000 And I'm sure you're going to build it and you're going to grow, right?

00:46:10.000 Well, you've got to tell the story.

00:46:12.000 You don't bring out one link of the chain because it will.

00:46:16.000 So you're already in discovery?

00:46:19.000 Yes.

00:46:20.000 Well, that happened really quick.

00:46:21.000 Wow.

00:46:22.000 Geez.

00:46:23.000 Just considering that you probably filed in November, right?

00:46:26.000 November, December.

00:46:27.000 No, we filed some suits much earlier.

00:46:29.000 Oh, before the election.

00:46:31.000 Yeah.

00:46:32.000 So you saw this coming with Center for Technology and Civic Life before the election.

00:46:36.000 I've been involved in that.

00:46:38.000 I don't know how many months it's been.

00:46:39.000 Well, see, Phil, this is the frustration is the Trump campaign and many others, they should have been listening to you and warning against this in July and August, maybe even getting Bill Barr to issue a letter.

00:46:51.000 You know, stuff like that very well could have prevented this deluge of hundreds of millions of dollars that corrupted and interfered with our elections.

00:47:01.000 You know, Charlie, sometime this, this is how I've spoken to some conservative and those who are gracious and support causes.

00:47:11.000 I said, one of the issues that we have is we get excited after the train wreck.

00:47:17.000 And you have to understand this train wreck has been planned for 15 years.

00:47:22.000 Yeah, you're exactly right.

00:47:25.000 And we can show that.

00:47:28.000 That's critical.

00:47:29.000 And that is the reason why you shouldn't give up because we need to restore faith in our elections.

00:47:34.000 And I believe that every little link that you piece together, the story you're going to tell, that's going to give these state legislators the confidence.

00:47:44.000 Because basically, in 2022, we have two critical Senate races that I can think of, plus Wisconsin.

00:47:50.000 But let's just take Georgia and Wisconsin, right?

00:47:54.000 Let's take those two, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona.

00:47:58.000 Those three are all in contention with what you've talked about.

00:48:01.000 If they ban Center for Technology, Civic Life, or like-type organizations, it very well might change the landscape.

00:48:08.000 It could.

00:48:08.000 It would.

00:48:10.000 For a fair election, who cares who wins, right?

00:48:12.000 I have my opinions.

00:48:12.000 You do too.

00:48:13.000 Phil, thank you so much for joining.

00:48:14.000 Again, it's the Armistad Project.

00:48:16.000 What's the website?

00:48:17.000 G-O-T got hyphen or dash freedom.com. 0.87

00:48:23.000 This is a top concern of our listeners.

00:48:25.000 So I know we really appreciate it.

00:48:26.000 Thank you, Phil.

00:48:27.000 Talk to you soon.

00:48:28.000 Thank you, sir.

00:48:31.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:48:33.000 Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com, or if you want to just contact us directly.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 03, 2021

BREAKING Election Fraud Down, News on Lawsuits, Challenges to Interference and More with Phill Kline

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