The Charlie Kirk Show - December 06, 2022


Breaking the Sorcerer's Spell of the Left with James Lindsay and Miranda Devine


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Miranda Devenine and Dr. James Lindsay talk about the laptop from hell story suppressed by Twitter, and how the story came to light. Plus, a new book by James Lindsay on the Marxification of education.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, we go through with Miranda Devine, the laptop from Hell Story suppressed by Twitter.
00:00:07.000 And then we have Dr. James Lindsay on his new book, terrific book, The Marxification of Education.
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00:01:28.000 Joining us now is Miranda Devine, author of Laptop from Hell and New York Post columnist.
00:01:37.000 Miranda, welcome back to the program.
00:01:38.000 Miranda, we certainly learned a lot this last weekend thanks to the Twitter files.
00:01:43.000 What was the great revelation or biggest takeaway in your opinion?
00:01:46.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:01:47.000 Look, I think what was useful was, I guess, that there was a lot of conversation going on in Twitter about whether or not they were going to censor our story and say it was hacked material.
00:02:03.000 And probably the most interesting for me was James Baker, who was Twitter's or is Twitter's deputy general counsel, as in like, you know, one of its top lawyers, who joined Twitter just five months before the 2020 election.
00:02:20.000 And he previously had been the FBI's top lawyer, and he was heavily involved in all the Russia collusion scams from the Alpha Bank to the, you know, Steele Dolphier, Crossfire Hurricane, etc.
00:02:36.000 And so he was, there was an email that Matt Taibbi, who's the substack journalist who was tasked by Elon Musk to disseminate the Twitter files on Friday, he put out an email which unfortunately had the date and time shorn off it for some unknown reason.
00:02:57.000 And that was from James Baker on, I presume, the day that Twitter censored our story in October of 2020.
00:03:07.000 And he was weighing in for censorship.
00:03:11.000 So James Baker, I think, is a crucial figure in this.
00:03:14.000 He was a crucial figure throughout the sort of dirty tricks that the FBI or a cabal inside the FBI were playing to try and undermine and dislodge Donald Trump throughout his administration, even before.
00:03:31.000 And he and then when it got too hot at the FBI, he and two other, an agent and another FBI lawyer that he worked with who were quite famous, the so-called FBI lovebirds, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, had to leave the FBI.
00:03:49.000 And lo and behold, five months before the 2020 election, James Baker shows up at Twitter as their number one or number two legal person.
00:04:01.000 So it shouldn't really be surprising when you realize that, that Twitter then weighed in and did what Elon Musk calls election interference before the 2020 election by Censoring.
00:04:16.000 Our story that was detrimental to Joe Biden.
00:04:20.000 That came from Hunter Biden's laptop.
00:04:22.000 That showed an email in which Hunter Biden's Ukrainian benefactor thanked Hunter for introducing him to his father, then vice president, Joe Biden, in Washington, D.C.
00:04:37.000 So that would have been very damaging.
00:04:39.000 The Biden campaign denied it at the time.
00:04:42.000 And we found out later after the election that it wasn't just one meeting and it wasn't just a cursory meeting.
00:04:51.000 It was actually a dinner that Joe Biden attended with this Ukrainian and also two of other of Hunter's overseas business partners, some from Russia and from Kazakhstan.
00:05:06.000 So it was a sort of a three-for-one deal at an Italian restaurant called Cafe Milano in Georgetown in April of 2015.
00:05:14.000 And Joe Biden, the very powerful vice president, he attended that dinner.
00:05:20.000 And while the White House never responds to me, they did respond to the Washington Post, which was trying to fact check my story about this dinner and obviously proved me wrong.
00:05:35.000 But lo and behold, the White House admitted that, yes, Joe Biden did go to that dinner, but it wasn't for any nefarious purpose and he wasn't there for very long.
00:05:44.000 Well, I mean, I know from people who were there that he sat down and he ate his entire dinner.
00:05:51.000 He didn't drink alcohol and he perhaps didn't have dessert, but he certainly ate a main course.
00:05:57.000 And what do you speculate happened during that meeting?
00:06:02.000 Well, I wouldn't imagine that Joe Biden, he's been doing this for a very long time, the influence peddling racket that he and his family have run from Delaware for, you know, nigh on four decades is, you know, it's pretty unsophisticated in some ways.
00:06:19.000 I mean, it's just, you know, give me money and I'll see what I can do for you. 0.92
00:06:23.000 But it's also sophisticated in terms of Joe Biden is not stupid enough to say anything that could ever implicate him. 0.92
00:06:32.000 So as his brother Jim Biden told Tony Bobolinski, they have plausible deniability.
00:06:38.000 Everyone who meets, as Tony Bobolinski found, with Joe Biden, he was told by Jim Biden, Joe's brother, and Hunter Biden, Joe's son, when he met Joe Biden in Los Angeles to discuss one of these Chinese deals, that keep everything at a high level.
00:06:59.000 And what that means is don't talk about details.
00:07:02.000 Don't get into the weeds.
00:07:03.000 We're just having a meet and greet.
00:07:05.000 He's just assessing you to see if he likes you and wants you to join the family business.
00:07:11.000 So with Republicans taking over the House of Representatives, how should they handle all this?
00:07:16.000 What would your recommendation be for oversight?
00:07:19.000 And I mean, for holding also the FBI and the people at Twitter accountable.
00:07:24.000 I mean, someone's got to go to jail at some point for this, Miranda, right?
00:07:27.000 Well, yeah, but first, first things first, they really have to get the information out there and find out, use the power that they have to look in places that we can't look at with their subpoena power, with their ability to look into treasury files and follow the money.
00:07:44.000 So that's crucial, following the money.
00:07:46.000 And I think, look, they seem to be doing all the right things.
00:07:49.000 For one thing, James Comer is making it crystal clear that this is not an investigation about Hunter Biden.
00:07:58.000 It's about Joe Biden.
00:08:00.000 And the reason that's so important is that, you know, all the millions of dollars that flowed into Biden family coffers during Joe's vice presidency from China, from Russia, from Ukraine, from Kazakhstan.
00:08:15.000 Have they compromised?
00:08:16.000 Has that money compromised the president, Joe Biden, now?
00:08:21.000 You know, that's a really important question, particularly since Joe Biden has continually denied that he knew anything about his son or his brother's overseas business dealings.
00:08:32.000 He met with at least a dozen of Hunter Biden's overseas business partners, and he met them in Beijing.
00:08:39.000 He met them in Mexico.
00:08:41.000 He met them in Washington, D.C. at that dinner I told you about.
00:08:44.000 He invited some to his residence, the vice presidential residence in Washington, D.C., to the White House.
00:08:52.000 So, you know, there's a lot of evidence, not just from the laptop, but from Todd Bobolinski, from other of Hunter Biden's former partners who are all not feeling very happy about the way they've been treated.
00:09:07.000 They've all been thrown under the bus.
00:09:09.000 Their names are mud.
00:09:11.000 And the only person who seems to have escaped scot-free is Hunter Biden.
00:09:16.000 Incredible.
00:09:17.000 This has just been one of the most unbelievable stories, and it's not going away at all.
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00:10:25.000 Play cut four reports Matt Taibbi specifically mentioning the extraordinary steps taken by Twitter to keep the laptop story from being shared.
00:10:34.000 Play cut four.
00:10:35.000 Well, Friday's thread also showcased the messy debate within Twitter whether to suppress the New York Post reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop.
00:10:42.000 It was eventually categorized as a breach of the company's hacked materials policy.
00:10:47.000 Taibbi noted the extraordinary steps taken to stop the story from being shared by the company marking it unsafe and utilizing a tool reserved for extreme cases like child pornography.
00:11:00.000 So Miranda, you have a piece.
00:11:01.000 FBI warned Twitter during weekly meetings of Hunter Biden hack and leak operation before censoring the post.
00:11:08.000 And so Twitter wasn't just acting alone.
00:11:10.000 They were being prompted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
00:11:14.000 Tell us more about it.
00:11:15.000 Yeah, well, I mean, this is vital.
00:11:17.000 And unfortunately, it was missing from the Twitter files on Friday, the FBI piece.
00:11:22.000 And it's curious that it was missing because the former FBI general counsel top lawyer who was involved in all the Russia collusion scams, James Baker, is the deputy general counsel at Twitter.
00:11:39.000 So presumably he's been vetting what information Elon Musk is able to let out to Matt Taibbi.
00:11:47.000 So maybe it's not a surprise that there was no FBI information there.
00:11:53.000 But we know that the FBI was heavily involved in pre-bunking the Hunter Biden story that the Post put out in October of 2020.
00:12:03.000 And we know that from a sworn declaration by a top Twitter executive called Yoel Roth, who recently resigned.
00:12:12.000 And he made this declaration in December of 2020 that, yes, that the FBI had come to Twitter and warned them specifically in the weekly meetings they were holding before the 2020 election.
00:12:26.000 They warned Twitter to expect a hack and leak operation likely involving Hunter Biden, likely in October.
00:12:38.000 It was specific information.
00:12:40.000 They mentioned Hunter Biden and Yoel Roth swore this declaration as part of Twitter's defense against an FEC complaint that they had provided the Biden campaign a contribution in kind by censoring the New York Post story.
00:12:59.000 So that was part of their defense was that, hey, it wasn't us.
00:13:02.000 It was the FBI.
00:13:03.000 They told us to do it.
00:13:04.000 They pre-bunked the story.
00:13:06.000 And we know the FBI had had the laptop for almost a year by then.
00:13:11.000 They knew the laptop was real.
00:13:13.000 It wasn't Russian disinformation.
00:13:14.000 They knew it wasn't hacked.
00:13:16.000 They'd been given it by the computer repair shop owner, John Paul MacIsaac, back in December 2019.
00:13:24.000 They'd interviewed him.
00:13:25.000 They knew what his concerns were, national security concerns about particularly Ukraine and China from the material he had seen on the laptop.
00:13:34.000 That's why he gave it to the FBI.
00:13:36.000 And when the FBI did nothing with it, John Paul MacIsaac tried to contact various Republican members of Congress throughout the summer of 2020, got no response there.
00:13:49.000 So finally, he managed to contact Rudy Giuliani.
00:13:52.000 He was the only person who paid attention to his emails.
00:13:56.000 But the FBI was spying on Rudy Giuliani throughout 2020 because he was the president, then President Trump's personal lawyer.
00:14:05.000 So they had a covert surveillance warrant on Rudy Giuliani's cloud.
00:14:11.000 They had access to all his emails and messages.
00:14:13.000 So they would have seen the August 2020 email from John Paul MacIsaac to Rudy Giuliani telling him about the lap.
00:14:23.000 Did they have a warrant for the surveillance on Rudy?
00:14:26.000 Yes, they had a covert surveillance warrant.
00:14:28.000 They later...
00:14:29.000 Covert surveillance warrant for the president's lawyer.
00:14:33.000 Yeah, and he never knew about it until he got an FBI raid at his home and office last year.
00:14:41.000 And then his lawyer found out about this two-year covert surveillance warrant.
00:14:46.000 And it started about a month after he took on the job as Trump's personal lawyer and continued on.
00:14:55.000 And so throughout 2020, the FBI would have had access to my messages with Rudy Giuliani.
00:15:02.000 So they would have known pretty much when or that the New York Post was running the story and pretty much when.
00:15:09.000 So they had a lot of visibility into the fact that, no, this was not a hack and leak operation.
00:15:17.000 They knew a genuine article, accurate article about accurate information, which had national security implications for one of the candidates for president.
00:15:28.000 Miranda Devine, phenomenal work.
00:15:30.000 It's amazing Republicans win anything, honestly, with all of this.
00:15:33.000 It's just extraordinary.
00:15:34.000 Terrific.
00:15:35.000 Thank you so much.
00:15:36.000 Thanks, John.
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00:17:02.000 Joining us now is Dr. James Lindsay.
00:17:04.000 Dr. Lindsay, welcome back to the program.
00:17:06.000 Hey, Charlie, how are you doing?
00:17:08.000 I'm doing good.
00:17:09.000 I'm going to see you on Thursday, I think, for an event you're doing here in Chandler, Arizona.
00:17:13.000 So I'm looking forward to that with the great Michael O'Fallon.
00:17:18.000 So you're back on Twitter, is that right?
00:17:20.000 I am.
00:17:21.000 What a joy.
00:17:22.000 Yeah, so now you can call more people groomers.
00:17:25.000 Why did you get banned in the first place?
00:17:28.000 Oh, I called somebody a groomer. 1.00
00:17:30.000 I called a trans person a groomer, and they gave me a 12-hour kickoff. 0.98
00:17:34.000 And then I got a second kickoff for an older tweet doing the same. 0.86
00:17:38.000 And I said, uh-oh, I know what this means.
00:17:40.000 So I actually went and started deleting all the okay groomer tweets that called somebody a groomer because obviously they changed a rule and that was going to get enforced all of a sudden. 0.59
00:17:50.000 And then I called the same trans person a child sexualization specialist and boom, gone, apparently for a little over three and a half months.
00:17:59.000 So what I got kicked off Twitter for, just to be completely clear, is beating a leftist at a word game, which is the one thing they can't have because their entire whole game is a word game, is a narrative control mechanism. 0.70
00:18:13.000 So I took that away from them by beating them at a word games.
00:18:15.000 They kicked me off of their word game platform.
00:18:18.000 You to understand though that the left they really don't appreciate language as a vehicle to be able to bridge gaps or to be able to make society decent speech to them is actually a threat.
00:18:34.000 So tell us the philosophy, James.
00:18:36.000 You do such a beautiful job of being able to distill thousands of pages of very complex philosophy into a very simple, digestible way.
00:18:47.000 What does it mean when the left says hate speech is violence?
00:18:51.000 Okay, so in general, let's go, let's take one big step back from the very specific.
00:18:59.000 What they're trying to do is control the frame.
00:19:02.000 And there was a philosopher in the 40s and 50s by the name of Eric Fogelin that detailed this.
00:19:08.000 He actually has this really important essay people should read.
00:19:11.000 It's kind of hard to get a hold of.
00:19:13.000 It's in his book of essays, which is from, I forgot what the dates are.
00:19:17.000 It's Eric Vogelin's essays from this date to that date.
00:19:20.000 So it's a little bit tricky to find.
00:19:22.000 But he actually wrote an essay called Hegel, a study in sorcery.
00:19:26.000 And this is a very important read.
00:19:27.000 And because everything Marxist and thus woke is actually rooted off of the philosophy of Hegel.
00:19:33.000 And he unequivocally says Hegel's a sorcerer.
00:19:36.000 And what he says is the way that the sorcery works is that the wizard, the sorcerer, draws a circle around himself.
00:19:42.000 And you can say that that's the area in which he controls the framing.
00:19:46.000 He controls whether it's linguistic framing, discursive framing, psychological framing.
00:19:51.000 He controls the narrative frame in that circle.
00:19:54.000 And what Foglin says is that if you are in that circle, you are lost.
00:19:58.000 You're basically under his spell.
00:19:59.000 That's what it means to be under a sorcerer's spell.
00:20:02.000 And so when they say something like hate speech is violence, what they actually are doing is they're trying to equate the idea that you using speech they don't want you to use is equivalent to harming people or doing actual violence.
00:20:14.000 They're casting a spell.
00:20:15.000 They're putting you in a bubble where when you look through the surface, think of the circle being the wizard circle on the ground, being like inside of a bubble if you're inside of it, encapsulated in a bubble.
00:20:25.000 And when you look through that surface of the bubble, the sheen, the glass globe, whatever you want to think of it as, that distorts your vision of everything outside.
00:20:34.000 So when you step into that and understand, well, they have a point.
00:20:37.000 It does hurt people's feelings, and psychological harm is harm, and that can lead to physical harm.
00:20:43.000 Then you've stepped inside the wizard circle and they have taken, they have reframed your understanding of speech so that they control you and your ability to use it.
00:20:52.000 And that's all it really is.
00:20:53.000 It's a magic spell.
00:20:55.000 Yeah.
00:20:55.000 And so that sounds awfully mystical for a group of people that seem to say they're humanistic materialists.
00:21:06.000 Well, I mean, that's what Hegel actually said.
00:21:09.000 He said the philosophers, meaning people like him, first of all, he said that there's no difference between philosophy and religion, and that when he says speculative philosophy, he means mystical thinking.
00:21:18.000 He also said that the philosophers in this, in which one is it?
00:21:23.000 It's either in Encyclopedia Logic or in the science of logic.
00:21:26.000 He says, so they're both about logic, so I can't remember which one it is.
00:21:29.000 He says explicitly in that piece, that book, that the philosophers, people like him, are mistai, meaning mystics.
00:21:39.000 So it is mystical because what Hegel did, to quote Glenn Alexander McGee on this issue, is not philosophy.
00:21:47.000 He said, Glenn Alexander McGee starts his book, Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition, with Hegel was not a philosopher.
00:21:54.000 What you have to understand is that he's a wizard.
00:21:56.000 And so when Marx talks about humanizing, what he actually means is rehumanizing in the sense that re-education is not the same as education.
00:22:03.000 It's to turn you into somebody that operates in their framing, which is for them socialism or communism.
00:22:10.000 If you're talking about Marx in specific in the woke, if you're talking about Hegel, it's in his cult of idealistic knowledge where he's the grand understander of all things.
00:22:21.000 And so it is mystical.
00:22:23.000 So the liberation of Twitter is something that a year ago, you and I couldn't have possibly have imagined.
00:22:30.000 It would have been like, oh, it would take someone like Elon Musk to do it.
00:22:33.000 Well, he did it.
00:22:35.000 Can you just walk through how significant this is?
00:22:38.000 How extraordinary this is?
00:22:40.000 Because some of our audience are very demoralized right now, understandably, but this is a big deal.
00:22:45.000 Tell us why.
00:22:46.000 I mean, it's a very big deal.
00:22:49.000 And of course, you know, Musk has said things we should be wary of, such as that, you know, he wants to turn Twitter into WeChat, which is the application that captured China.
00:22:57.000 So we should be wary of some things around Musk.
00:23:00.000 But to paraphrase or to quote off of a friend of mine, Brett Weinstein, he says zero is a special number.
00:23:06.000 And what he means by that is that a totalitarian regime only can operate when there are zero avenues to free speech, when there are zero avenues to actually tell the truth.
00:23:16.000 And so one becomes another very special number, which is a number that is distinctly not zero.
00:23:23.000 One, two, three, five, twenty, a hundred, they're all in a sense the same in the fact that they're not zero.
00:23:29.000 And when totalitarian regimes can only work when there are zero avenues for people to be able to speak plainly, to speak freely, because speech actually undoes their linguistic magic.
00:23:41.000 You can demand that they give proofs.
00:23:43.000 You can refute their framing.
00:23:45.000 That's exactly right.
00:23:47.000 And so build that out more.
00:23:49.000 I mean, they lose power when speech is free.
00:23:53.000 I mean, that's why I got kicked off Twitter.
00:23:55.000 That's why I've been put through the most vicious struggle session.
00:23:58.000 They said after I got let back on Twitter, they attacked me viciously.
00:24:01.000 And actually, one of them told me, we can't ban you.
00:24:04.000 So we're going to harass you until you leave Twitter. 0.87
00:24:06.000 We're going to just make your experience on here miserable.
00:24:10.000 And they took a photograph of me that they claim is compromising and, of course, is not and posted it over 100,000 times tagging me.
00:24:17.000 And it's just out of control.
00:24:18.000 They tried to harass me off the platform.
00:24:20.000 And the reason is because, for example, the speech that I used, okay, groomer, actually hit them in a way that was really damaging to their project. 0.61
00:24:28.000 And the reason is because, of course, it's true.
00:24:31.000 They are engaging in the brainwashing of people.
00:24:35.000 And that's a form of grooming, ideological grooming, cult grooming, whatever you want to call it.
00:24:39.000 Sexual grooming actually ties into this, as it always does with cults.
00:24:43.000 But in particular, they are doing cult or ideological grooming.
00:24:47.000 They're brainwashing people.
00:24:49.000 And if you can use language to cut through that, to help people see it, that's what I hear most often from people who say that they appreciate my work is you've given me the language for something I knew was happening, but I couldn't see it.
00:25:02.000 And that's what it's all about is when you have a free speech platform, you can give people the language to see the manipulation and thus break the spell and pull them out of that so-called wizard circle.
00:25:13.000 Tell us about your new book coming out December 9th.
00:25:16.000 Well, it's perfect because, you know, I just said the brainwashing.
00:25:19.000 I went and got a prop a minute ago.
00:25:21.000 It is, I don't know if you can see it centered up.
00:25:24.000 The Marxification of Education.
00:25:26.000 I love that.
00:25:27.000 And so it actually details one character and one character only for the most part by the name of Paolo Ferreri, who's a Brazilian Marxist.
00:25:36.000 He claims to have been an educator, but what he did was he laid out a system of brainwashing that looks like education.
00:25:41.000 So the subtitle is Paolo Ferreri's Critical Marxism and the Theft of Education.
00:25:45.000 And those last four words are the key part of the whole title, The Theft of Education.
00:25:51.000 What Ferrari's philosophy or educational approach or whatever we want to call it, it's more sorcery is what it is, enables is the theft of education from America, from the West, from our society, and from specifically, of course, our children.
00:26:05.000 And the way that that theft works is by retooling education, not to teach, say, literacy or numeracy or any of this, but to teach what he calls political literacy while using the reading lesson, the math lesson, the history lesson is what he calls a mediator to political knowledge.
00:26:23.000 And so he's set it up to where these Marxists in education, and they've controlled education for roughly 50 years now, have the ability to give you a math problem or give you a history lesson or give you a reading lesson and actually tool it so that it achieves a political, it doesn't achieve, it becomes a political lesson instead.
00:26:43.000 And so that's what I'm trying to expose in this book so that parents across the country, so that teachers who are still not woke across the country can understand what's happening around them in the education.
00:26:53.000 Because I think even if we stop all of this disaster that's happening now, if we don't fix education, we're going through it again in five or 10 years.
00:27:01.000 It's going to happen all over again.
00:27:03.000 We're going to be in an even worse place.
00:27:05.000 We just saw in the midterm elections that young voters 18 to 29 skewed almost 30 points to Democrats.
00:27:14.000 They turned out in record numbers for the third election in a row.
00:27:18.000 The reason for that is because they are being given so-called political literacy education instead of actual education.
00:27:24.000 They don't know what's going on, but they think that they live in a political existential crisis.
00:27:29.000 And if they don't vote for Democrats, their life is over.
00:27:32.000 And that's actually what Ferrari's program teaches them.
00:27:35.000 It's conscientizing them or raising their critical consciousness to make them into Marxist zealots in place of their education.
00:27:42.000 Tell our audience about race Marxism as well.
00:27:45.000 I'm really enjoying reading that.
00:27:46.000 Yeah, race Marxism was a book I let out in February to just basically expose critical race theory.
00:27:53.000 It's to point out that in fact, critical race theory is what people said it was, is what people suspected it was.
00:27:58.000 It is a Marxist theory of racial property, where that racial property is defined as whiteness.
00:28:04.000 People who have access to whiteness are bourgeois.
00:28:06.000 The correct solution to this is the abolition or the destruction of whiteness, just like Marx said, the destruction or the abolition of private property is the way to transcend human self-estrangement and achieve true communism. 0.75
00:28:21.000 And so I put out a book in February called Race Marxism. 0.75
00:28:24.000 And the point of that book is exactly what I just said. 0.58
00:28:27.000 What you think about, what you suspect about critical race theory is 100% correct.
00:28:31.000 It is race Marxism.
00:28:32.000 And I wrote 100,000 words that make it absolutely undeniable. 0.62
00:28:36.000 I have learned a lot from race Marxism. 0.52
00:28:39.000 It's a terrific book.
00:28:41.000 So James, I think that this is one of Elon buying Twitter and liberating Twitter.
00:28:47.000 And there's an opportunity that over the coming months, over the coming years, the fruit that will come out of this liberation will be a freer society if it's allowed to remain as a free and open platform.
00:29:04.000 Because they won't be able to lie about grooming kids and children.
00:29:07.000 They won't be able to kick libs of TikTok off of Twitter.
00:29:09.000 They won't be able to lie about ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine or whatever it is or forced vaccines, which I know is a topic you're passionate about.
00:29:19.000 The regime has to be able to shut up Twitter.
00:29:23.000 If they can't, I'm not sure how they're ever able to hold on to power.
00:29:26.000 What are your thoughts?
00:29:27.000 No, I agree with you completely.
00:29:29.000 They have to be able to control the narrative from every single angle.
00:29:34.000 If we frame it in terms of what we were calling the wizard circle earlier, they must maintain the boundary of that circle and keep people in it.
00:29:41.000 Being red-pilled is actually seeing outside of it or stepping outside of it.
00:29:45.000 It's not a political designation.
00:29:46.000 And it doesn't mean you become MAGA or a Trump voter or joint turning point tomorrow or anything to become red-pilled, but you probably will end up doing things like that.
00:29:54.000 Please join me.
00:29:57.000 If you see through the illusion and you realize that you're being kept in a narrative, you're locked into a narrative.
00:30:04.000 And that narrative is conditioning your thought.
00:30:07.000 It's actually trying to nudge and stimulate your behavior to act in certain ways, to defend certain things, to like who you're supposed to, who they want you to like, to dislike who they want you to dislike, to believe things the way they want you to believe them.
00:30:21.000 And if people can talk about it, if there is free and open dialogue, if there is the ability to speak clearly, to show evidence, to cut through, then they lose that power.
00:30:31.000 They lose that grasp.
00:30:32.000 And what comes out is truly a second enlightenment, a second gigantic liberation of the mind of man.
00:30:39.000 And that freedom of the mind of man is going to spur gigantic innovation.
00:30:44.000 It's going to spur human liberty like we've never seen before.
00:30:48.000 And isn't that, that's a great point.
00:30:50.000 It feels as if we're living through a moment of societal paralysis, almost mass generational stagflation.
00:30:58.000 Could it be that is it because of the regime of political correctness and the stifling of speech, we actually aren't advancing as much as we should be?
00:31:09.000 Oh, certainly.
00:31:10.000 What people believe is that a marketplace of ideas opened up with the printing press or the reformation or the enlightenment, whichever thing that unfolded over years, you know, centuries even that you want to pin it to.
00:31:21.000 But the truth of the matter is that what it set up was an aristocracy of ideas.
00:31:25.000 And it set up, you know, journalists and academic institutions and professionals and politicians who are going to tell you what the correct ideas were.
00:31:33.000 And it turns out that that's a gigantic, corruptible system where the fraud slowly rises to the top and the fraud is at the top now.
00:31:41.000 And since it's there and it's being exposed, these people are being revealed as people who have held back humanity for a very long time and their ability to go forward to make connections more quickly.
00:31:53.000 Look how quickly people on the internet were able to start to pierce, even with the level of control, pierce through the narratives around COVID-19 and the policies being implemented.
00:32:02.000 Very, very, very quickly.
00:32:03.000 The experts were made fools of within months, within weeks, really.
00:32:07.000 And that's the kind of thing that they're stymieing so that they can hold on to their power, so that they can stay on top of the pile, so they can be Plato's gold people, philosopher kings that run the world.
00:32:19.000 And the way you stop that is you allow more people to speak.
00:32:23.000 That's it, right?
00:32:24.000 You have to, you have to, it's not overly complicated.
00:32:28.000 Who was the enemy of Plato and the Republic? 0.56
00:32:31.000 The Hoi Poloi, who was the enemy of Marx, the bourgeoisie, by which he meant the middle class. 0.74
00:32:36.000 Those people, everyday normal people having full enfranchisement in their society, which they've been completely removed from, is what moves society in a strong and good direction.
00:32:45.000 It's what allows us to solve problems.
00:32:47.000 It's what allows us to flourish.
00:32:49.000 It's what allows us to build lives, to build the systems and the networks that actually provide for human life to be good and meaningful and enjoyable.
00:32:59.000 One day we're going to wake up, hopefully, soon, and realize that we've actually been living in an awfully totalitarian moment, both through speech, through thought.
00:33:06.000 And I actually think it's going to make our life better.
00:33:08.000 And I believe Elon, I think he has that belief.
00:33:11.000 I really do.
00:33:12.000 At least he's exercising it in a very profound way.
00:33:14.000 James, I look forward to seeing you later this week in Phoenix, Arizona.
00:33:17.000 Everyone, check out his book, The Marxification of Education.
00:33:19.000 I get that right.
00:33:20.000 You got it.
00:33:21.000 That's right.
00:33:23.000 That's a pretty academic title.
00:33:24.000 It's academic English.
00:33:26.000 There's a bunch in there that explains why Drag Queen Story Hour is happening all the way back to its philosophical.
00:33:32.000 We got to have you back for that because your ability to talk about queer theory, Drag Queen Story Hour. 0.65
00:33:38.000 I always loved when James says, if there was a hell, I will tell you that Drag Queen Story Hauer is from the pit of hell. 0.78
00:33:46.000 Or queer theory. 1.00
00:33:48.000 Very funny. 0.98
00:33:49.000 James, terrific.
00:33:50.000 Appreciate it very much.
00:33:52.000 Yeah, see you soon.
00:33:53.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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00:33:59.000 God bless.
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