Miranda Devenine and Dr. James Lindsay talk about the laptop from hell story suppressed by Twitter, and how the story came to light. Plus, a new book by James Lindsay on the Marxification of education.
00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, we go through with Miranda Devine, the laptop from Hell Story suppressed by Twitter.
00:00:07.000And then we have Dr. James Lindsay on his new book, terrific book, The Marxification of Education.
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00:01:47.000Look, I think what was useful was, I guess, that there was a lot of conversation going on in Twitter about whether or not they were going to censor our story and say it was hacked material.
00:02:03.000And probably the most interesting for me was James Baker, who was Twitter's or is Twitter's deputy general counsel, as in like, you know, one of its top lawyers, who joined Twitter just five months before the 2020 election.
00:02:20.000And he previously had been the FBI's top lawyer, and he was heavily involved in all the Russia collusion scams from the Alpha Bank to the, you know, Steele Dolphier, Crossfire Hurricane, etc.
00:02:36.000And so he was, there was an email that Matt Taibbi, who's the substack journalist who was tasked by Elon Musk to disseminate the Twitter files on Friday, he put out an email which unfortunately had the date and time shorn off it for some unknown reason.
00:02:57.000And that was from James Baker on, I presume, the day that Twitter censored our story in October of 2020.
00:03:07.000And he was weighing in for censorship.
00:03:11.000So James Baker, I think, is a crucial figure in this.
00:03:14.000He was a crucial figure throughout the sort of dirty tricks that the FBI or a cabal inside the FBI were playing to try and undermine and dislodge Donald Trump throughout his administration, even before.
00:03:31.000And he and then when it got too hot at the FBI, he and two other, an agent and another FBI lawyer that he worked with who were quite famous, the so-called FBI lovebirds, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, had to leave the FBI.
00:03:49.000And lo and behold, five months before the 2020 election, James Baker shows up at Twitter as their number one or number two legal person.
00:04:01.000So it shouldn't really be surprising when you realize that, that Twitter then weighed in and did what Elon Musk calls election interference before the 2020 election by Censoring.
00:04:16.000Our story that was detrimental to Joe Biden.
00:04:22.000That showed an email in which Hunter Biden's Ukrainian benefactor thanked Hunter for introducing him to his father, then vice president, Joe Biden, in Washington, D.C.
00:04:37.000So that would have been very damaging.
00:04:39.000The Biden campaign denied it at the time.
00:04:42.000And we found out later after the election that it wasn't just one meeting and it wasn't just a cursory meeting.
00:04:51.000It was actually a dinner that Joe Biden attended with this Ukrainian and also two of other of Hunter's overseas business partners, some from Russia and from Kazakhstan.
00:05:06.000So it was a sort of a three-for-one deal at an Italian restaurant called Cafe Milano in Georgetown in April of 2015.
00:05:14.000And Joe Biden, the very powerful vice president, he attended that dinner.
00:05:20.000And while the White House never responds to me, they did respond to the Washington Post, which was trying to fact check my story about this dinner and obviously proved me wrong.
00:05:35.000But lo and behold, the White House admitted that, yes, Joe Biden did go to that dinner, but it wasn't for any nefarious purpose and he wasn't there for very long.
00:05:44.000Well, I mean, I know from people who were there that he sat down and he ate his entire dinner.
00:05:51.000He didn't drink alcohol and he perhaps didn't have dessert, but he certainly ate a main course.
00:05:57.000And what do you speculate happened during that meeting?
00:06:02.000Well, I wouldn't imagine that Joe Biden, he's been doing this for a very long time, the influence peddling racket that he and his family have run from Delaware for, you know, nigh on four decades is, you know, it's pretty unsophisticated in some ways.
00:06:19.000I mean, it's just, you know, give me money and I'll see what I can do for you.
00:06:23.000But it's also sophisticated in terms of Joe Biden is not stupid enough to say anything that could ever implicate him.
00:06:32.000So as his brother Jim Biden told Tony Bobolinski, they have plausible deniability.
00:06:38.000Everyone who meets, as Tony Bobolinski found, with Joe Biden, he was told by Jim Biden, Joe's brother, and Hunter Biden, Joe's son, when he met Joe Biden in Los Angeles to discuss one of these Chinese deals, that keep everything at a high level.
00:06:59.000And what that means is don't talk about details.
00:07:05.000He's just assessing you to see if he likes you and wants you to join the family business.
00:07:11.000So with Republicans taking over the House of Representatives, how should they handle all this?
00:07:16.000What would your recommendation be for oversight?
00:07:19.000And I mean, for holding also the FBI and the people at Twitter accountable.
00:07:24.000I mean, someone's got to go to jail at some point for this, Miranda, right?
00:07:27.000Well, yeah, but first, first things first, they really have to get the information out there and find out, use the power that they have to look in places that we can't look at with their subpoena power, with their ability to look into treasury files and follow the money.
00:07:44.000So that's crucial, following the money.
00:07:46.000And I think, look, they seem to be doing all the right things.
00:07:49.000For one thing, James Comer is making it crystal clear that this is not an investigation about Hunter Biden.
00:08:00.000And the reason that's so important is that, you know, all the millions of dollars that flowed into Biden family coffers during Joe's vice presidency from China, from Russia, from Ukraine, from Kazakhstan.
00:08:16.000Has that money compromised the president, Joe Biden, now?
00:08:21.000You know, that's a really important question, particularly since Joe Biden has continually denied that he knew anything about his son or his brother's overseas business dealings.
00:08:32.000He met with at least a dozen of Hunter Biden's overseas business partners, and he met them in Beijing.
00:08:41.000He met them in Washington, D.C. at that dinner I told you about.
00:08:44.000He invited some to his residence, the vice presidential residence in Washington, D.C., to the White House.
00:08:52.000So, you know, there's a lot of evidence, not just from the laptop, but from Todd Bobolinski, from other of Hunter Biden's former partners who are all not feeling very happy about the way they've been treated.
00:09:07.000They've all been thrown under the bus.
00:09:17.000This has just been one of the most unbelievable stories, and it's not going away at all.
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00:10:25.000Play cut four reports Matt Taibbi specifically mentioning the extraordinary steps taken by Twitter to keep the laptop story from being shared.
00:10:35.000Well, Friday's thread also showcased the messy debate within Twitter whether to suppress the New York Post reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop.
00:10:42.000It was eventually categorized as a breach of the company's hacked materials policy.
00:10:47.000Taibbi noted the extraordinary steps taken to stop the story from being shared by the company marking it unsafe and utilizing a tool reserved for extreme cases like child pornography.
00:11:17.000And unfortunately, it was missing from the Twitter files on Friday, the FBI piece.
00:11:22.000And it's curious that it was missing because the former FBI general counsel top lawyer who was involved in all the Russia collusion scams, James Baker, is the deputy general counsel at Twitter.
00:11:39.000So presumably he's been vetting what information Elon Musk is able to let out to Matt Taibbi.
00:11:47.000So maybe it's not a surprise that there was no FBI information there.
00:11:53.000But we know that the FBI was heavily involved in pre-bunking the Hunter Biden story that the Post put out in October of 2020.
00:12:03.000And we know that from a sworn declaration by a top Twitter executive called Yoel Roth, who recently resigned.
00:12:12.000And he made this declaration in December of 2020 that, yes, that the FBI had come to Twitter and warned them specifically in the weekly meetings they were holding before the 2020 election.
00:12:26.000They warned Twitter to expect a hack and leak operation likely involving Hunter Biden, likely in October.
00:12:40.000They mentioned Hunter Biden and Yoel Roth swore this declaration as part of Twitter's defense against an FEC complaint that they had provided the Biden campaign a contribution in kind by censoring the New York Post story.
00:12:59.000So that was part of their defense was that, hey, it wasn't us.
00:13:25.000They knew what his concerns were, national security concerns about particularly Ukraine and China from the material he had seen on the laptop.
00:13:36.000And when the FBI did nothing with it, John Paul MacIsaac tried to contact various Republican members of Congress throughout the summer of 2020, got no response there.
00:13:49.000So finally, he managed to contact Rudy Giuliani.
00:13:52.000He was the only person who paid attention to his emails.
00:13:56.000But the FBI was spying on Rudy Giuliani throughout 2020 because he was the president, then President Trump's personal lawyer.
00:14:05.000So they had a covert surveillance warrant on Rudy Giuliani's cloud.
00:14:11.000They had access to all his emails and messages.
00:14:13.000So they would have seen the August 2020 email from John Paul MacIsaac to Rudy Giuliani telling him about the lap.
00:14:23.000Did they have a warrant for the surveillance on Rudy?
00:14:26.000Yes, they had a covert surveillance warrant.
00:14:29.000Covert surveillance warrant for the president's lawyer.
00:14:33.000Yeah, and he never knew about it until he got an FBI raid at his home and office last year.
00:14:41.000And then his lawyer found out about this two-year covert surveillance warrant.
00:14:46.000And it started about a month after he took on the job as Trump's personal lawyer and continued on.
00:14:55.000And so throughout 2020, the FBI would have had access to my messages with Rudy Giuliani.
00:15:02.000So they would have known pretty much when or that the New York Post was running the story and pretty much when.
00:15:09.000So they had a lot of visibility into the fact that, no, this was not a hack and leak operation.
00:15:17.000They knew a genuine article, accurate article about accurate information, which had national security implications for one of the candidates for president.
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00:17:30.000I called a trans person a groomer, and they gave me a 12-hour kickoff.
00:17:34.000And then I got a second kickoff for an older tweet doing the same.
00:17:38.000And I said, uh-oh, I know what this means.
00:17:40.000So I actually went and started deleting all the okay groomer tweets that called somebody a groomer because obviously they changed a rule and that was going to get enforced all of a sudden.
00:17:50.000And then I called the same trans person a child sexualization specialist and boom, gone, apparently for a little over three and a half months.
00:17:59.000So what I got kicked off Twitter for, just to be completely clear, is beating a leftist at a word game, which is the one thing they can't have because their entire whole game is a word game, is a narrative control mechanism.
00:18:13.000So I took that away from them by beating them at a word games.
00:18:15.000They kicked me off of their word game platform.
00:18:18.000You to understand though that the left they really don't appreciate language as a vehicle to be able to bridge gaps or to be able to make society decent speech to them is actually a threat.
00:19:59.000That's what it means to be under a sorcerer's spell.
00:20:02.000And so when they say something like hate speech is violence, what they actually are doing is they're trying to equate the idea that you using speech they don't want you to use is equivalent to harming people or doing actual violence.
00:20:15.000They're putting you in a bubble where when you look through the surface, think of the circle being the wizard circle on the ground, being like inside of a bubble if you're inside of it, encapsulated in a bubble.
00:20:25.000And when you look through that surface of the bubble, the sheen, the glass globe, whatever you want to think of it as, that distorts your vision of everything outside.
00:20:34.000So when you step into that and understand, well, they have a point.
00:20:37.000It does hurt people's feelings, and psychological harm is harm, and that can lead to physical harm.
00:20:43.000Then you've stepped inside the wizard circle and they have taken, they have reframed your understanding of speech so that they control you and your ability to use it.
00:20:55.000And so that sounds awfully mystical for a group of people that seem to say they're humanistic materialists.
00:21:06.000Well, I mean, that's what Hegel actually said.
00:21:09.000He said the philosophers, meaning people like him, first of all, he said that there's no difference between philosophy and religion, and that when he says speculative philosophy, he means mystical thinking.
00:21:18.000He also said that the philosophers in this, in which one is it?
00:21:23.000It's either in Encyclopedia Logic or in the science of logic.
00:21:26.000He says, so they're both about logic, so I can't remember which one it is.
00:21:29.000He says explicitly in that piece, that book, that the philosophers, people like him, are mistai, meaning mystics.
00:21:39.000So it is mystical because what Hegel did, to quote Glenn Alexander McGee on this issue, is not philosophy.
00:21:47.000He said, Glenn Alexander McGee starts his book, Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition, with Hegel was not a philosopher.
00:21:54.000What you have to understand is that he's a wizard.
00:21:56.000And so when Marx talks about humanizing, what he actually means is rehumanizing in the sense that re-education is not the same as education.
00:22:03.000It's to turn you into somebody that operates in their framing, which is for them socialism or communism.
00:22:10.000If you're talking about Marx in specific in the woke, if you're talking about Hegel, it's in his cult of idealistic knowledge where he's the grand understander of all things.
00:22:49.000And of course, you know, Musk has said things we should be wary of, such as that, you know, he wants to turn Twitter into WeChat, which is the application that captured China.
00:22:57.000So we should be wary of some things around Musk.
00:23:00.000But to paraphrase or to quote off of a friend of mine, Brett Weinstein, he says zero is a special number.
00:23:06.000And what he means by that is that a totalitarian regime only can operate when there are zero avenues to free speech, when there are zero avenues to actually tell the truth.
00:23:16.000And so one becomes another very special number, which is a number that is distinctly not zero.
00:23:23.000One, two, three, five, twenty, a hundred, they're all in a sense the same in the fact that they're not zero.
00:23:29.000And when totalitarian regimes can only work when there are zero avenues for people to be able to speak plainly, to speak freely, because speech actually undoes their linguistic magic.
00:24:18.000They tried to harass me off the platform.
00:24:20.000And the reason is because, for example, the speech that I used, okay, groomer, actually hit them in a way that was really damaging to their project.
00:24:28.000And the reason is because, of course, it's true.
00:24:31.000They are engaging in the brainwashing of people.
00:24:35.000And that's a form of grooming, ideological grooming, cult grooming, whatever you want to call it.
00:24:39.000Sexual grooming actually ties into this, as it always does with cults.
00:24:43.000But in particular, they are doing cult or ideological grooming.
00:24:49.000And if you can use language to cut through that, to help people see it, that's what I hear most often from people who say that they appreciate my work is you've given me the language for something I knew was happening, but I couldn't see it.
00:25:02.000And that's what it's all about is when you have a free speech platform, you can give people the language to see the manipulation and thus break the spell and pull them out of that so-called wizard circle.
00:25:13.000Tell us about your new book coming out December 9th.
00:25:16.000Well, it's perfect because, you know, I just said the brainwashing.
00:25:27.000And so it actually details one character and one character only for the most part by the name of Paolo Ferreri, who's a Brazilian Marxist.
00:25:36.000He claims to have been an educator, but what he did was he laid out a system of brainwashing that looks like education.
00:25:41.000So the subtitle is Paolo Ferreri's Critical Marxism and the Theft of Education.
00:25:45.000And those last four words are the key part of the whole title, The Theft of Education.
00:25:51.000What Ferrari's philosophy or educational approach or whatever we want to call it, it's more sorcery is what it is, enables is the theft of education from America, from the West, from our society, and from specifically, of course, our children.
00:26:05.000And the way that that theft works is by retooling education, not to teach, say, literacy or numeracy or any of this, but to teach what he calls political literacy while using the reading lesson, the math lesson, the history lesson is what he calls a mediator to political knowledge.
00:26:23.000And so he's set it up to where these Marxists in education, and they've controlled education for roughly 50 years now, have the ability to give you a math problem or give you a history lesson or give you a reading lesson and actually tool it so that it achieves a political, it doesn't achieve, it becomes a political lesson instead.
00:26:43.000And so that's what I'm trying to expose in this book so that parents across the country, so that teachers who are still not woke across the country can understand what's happening around them in the education.
00:26:53.000Because I think even if we stop all of this disaster that's happening now, if we don't fix education, we're going through it again in five or 10 years.
00:27:46.000Yeah, race Marxism was a book I let out in February to just basically expose critical race theory.
00:27:53.000It's to point out that in fact, critical race theory is what people said it was, is what people suspected it was.
00:27:58.000It is a Marxist theory of racial property, where that racial property is defined as whiteness.
00:28:04.000People who have access to whiteness are bourgeois.
00:28:06.000The correct solution to this is the abolition or the destruction of whiteness, just like Marx said, the destruction or the abolition of private property is the way to transcend human self-estrangement and achieve true communism.
00:28:21.000And so I put out a book in February called Race Marxism.
00:28:24.000And the point of that book is exactly what I just said.
00:28:27.000What you think about, what you suspect about critical race theory is 100% correct.
00:28:41.000So James, I think that this is one of Elon buying Twitter and liberating Twitter.
00:28:47.000And there's an opportunity that over the coming months, over the coming years, the fruit that will come out of this liberation will be a freer society if it's allowed to remain as a free and open platform.
00:29:04.000Because they won't be able to lie about grooming kids and children.
00:29:07.000They won't be able to kick libs of TikTok off of Twitter.
00:29:09.000They won't be able to lie about ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine or whatever it is or forced vaccines, which I know is a topic you're passionate about.
00:29:19.000The regime has to be able to shut up Twitter.
00:29:23.000If they can't, I'm not sure how they're ever able to hold on to power.
00:29:29.000They have to be able to control the narrative from every single angle.
00:29:34.000If we frame it in terms of what we were calling the wizard circle earlier, they must maintain the boundary of that circle and keep people in it.
00:29:41.000Being red-pilled is actually seeing outside of it or stepping outside of it.
00:29:46.000And it doesn't mean you become MAGA or a Trump voter or joint turning point tomorrow or anything to become red-pilled, but you probably will end up doing things like that.
00:29:57.000If you see through the illusion and you realize that you're being kept in a narrative, you're locked into a narrative.
00:30:04.000And that narrative is conditioning your thought.
00:30:07.000It's actually trying to nudge and stimulate your behavior to act in certain ways, to defend certain things, to like who you're supposed to, who they want you to like, to dislike who they want you to dislike, to believe things the way they want you to believe them.
00:30:21.000And if people can talk about it, if there is free and open dialogue, if there is the ability to speak clearly, to show evidence, to cut through, then they lose that power.
00:30:50.000It feels as if we're living through a moment of societal paralysis, almost mass generational stagflation.
00:30:58.000Could it be that is it because of the regime of political correctness and the stifling of speech, we actually aren't advancing as much as we should be?
00:31:10.000What people believe is that a marketplace of ideas opened up with the printing press or the reformation or the enlightenment, whichever thing that unfolded over years, you know, centuries even that you want to pin it to.
00:31:21.000But the truth of the matter is that what it set up was an aristocracy of ideas.
00:31:25.000And it set up, you know, journalists and academic institutions and professionals and politicians who are going to tell you what the correct ideas were.
00:31:33.000And it turns out that that's a gigantic, corruptible system where the fraud slowly rises to the top and the fraud is at the top now.
00:31:41.000And since it's there and it's being exposed, these people are being revealed as people who have held back humanity for a very long time and their ability to go forward to make connections more quickly.
00:31:53.000Look how quickly people on the internet were able to start to pierce, even with the level of control, pierce through the narratives around COVID-19 and the policies being implemented.
00:32:03.000The experts were made fools of within months, within weeks, really.
00:32:07.000And that's the kind of thing that they're stymieing so that they can hold on to their power, so that they can stay on top of the pile, so they can be Plato's gold people, philosopher kings that run the world.
00:32:19.000And the way you stop that is you allow more people to speak.
00:32:24.000You have to, you have to, it's not overly complicated.
00:32:28.000Who was the enemy of Plato and the Republic?
00:32:31.000The Hoi Poloi, who was the enemy of Marx, the bourgeoisie, by which he meant the middle class.
00:32:36.000Those people, everyday normal people having full enfranchisement in their society, which they've been completely removed from, is what moves society in a strong and good direction.
00:32:45.000It's what allows us to solve problems.
00:32:49.000It's what allows us to build lives, to build the systems and the networks that actually provide for human life to be good and meaningful and enjoyable.
00:32:59.000One day we're going to wake up, hopefully, soon, and realize that we've actually been living in an awfully totalitarian moment, both through speech, through thought.
00:33:06.000And I actually think it's going to make our life better.
00:33:08.000And I believe Elon, I think he has that belief.