The Charlie Kirk Show - Breaking the Spell of Thinking Small — LIVE From Legacy Church with Pastor Steve Smothermon

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00:01:40.000 All right, everybody.

00:01:41.000 My conversation with Steve Smotherman about the Alphabet mafia, how should Christians respond to accusations?

00:01:47.000 Should we have cryptocurrencies or are they the mark of the beast?

00:01:50.000 And also, what happens when our country is being invaded?

00:01:54.000 Does that mean we get guns buckle up?

00:01:55.000 Here we go Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:02:05.000 Folks, I want to thank Charlie.

00:02:08.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:02:09.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:02:11.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

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00:02:17.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

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00:02:29.000 Thank you everybody, thank you.

00:02:32.000 I gotta tell you I um, I love New Mexico.

00:02:34.000 I'm so glad i'm here.

00:02:35.000 Thank you Steve, so much.

00:02:36.000 God bless all of you.

00:02:37.000 Thank you, i'm glad you're here too, or no one else would be here.

00:02:41.000 They don't come like this for me man, just you.

00:02:44.000 I'm feeling a little insecure, by the way, with this little bit, but you know what we're gonna get right into this.

00:02:49.000 Charlie, I just want to talk to you about the landmark decision, the biggest in over 50 years.

00:03:02.000 We're gonna stand for them.

00:03:19.000 We just gave God a standing ovation.

00:03:21.000 Amen.

00:03:21.000 And just praise God, praise God, praise God.

00:03:25.000 And I just want to say to those of you that have been prayer warriors on the issue of life, God bless you.

00:03:32.000 That victory was for you.

00:03:33.000 For those of you that have been fasting and praying for your nation, God bless you.

00:03:39.000 That victory is for you.

00:03:40.000 For those of you that have seen someone that made a decision for life and you know how beautiful and precious life is, and you prayed that the courts would one day make that decision, that victory was for you.

00:03:52.000 And for those of you that work in the pregnancy crisis centers here in Albuquerque, God bless you.

00:03:58.000 And I also want to thank so many of the Titans that came before that fought for this because this was a generational fight.

00:04:06.000 There's so many people that are no longer here that fought so hard for this.

00:04:11.000 God bless Billy Graham for his moral clarity for years on this issue.

00:04:16.000 God bless Rush Limbaugh, who never gave an inch, who fought on this issue.

00:04:24.000 And 10 years ago, Justice Antonin Scalia, another warrior, passed away.

00:04:31.000 And he passed away in 16, but 10 years ago, he was saying, you know what?

00:04:36.000 I think the court is just off the rails.

00:04:38.000 He was lamenting, Steve.

00:04:40.000 He thought there was no hope for the court.

00:04:43.000 And God works in unusual, mysterious ways, doesn't he?

00:04:46.000 Because we were told we must go through a specific process and that we must nominate certain people to run for offices.

00:04:54.000 And God had a different plan to save the unborn in this country.

00:04:59.000 And it started with someone who lived a colorful life.

00:05:02.000 Is that fair to say?

00:05:04.000 A billionaire businessman from New York who came down on a golden escalator.

00:05:09.000 And look, you can have your own opinions on Trump.

00:05:14.000 You could say, I don't like his tone.

00:05:16.000 I don't like his mean tweets.

00:05:19.000 But his mean tweets just save millions of lives from being aborted.

00:05:26.000 And he did what he said he was going to do.

00:05:29.000 Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett.

00:05:31.000 And honestly, God bless Brett Kavanaugh in particular because let's not forget, someone tried to assassinate him a couple weeks ago, literally show up to his home to murder him because of this upcoming decision.

00:05:46.000 And those justices, Clarence Thomas, Alito, Amy Coney Barrett, Kavanaugh, and Neil Gorsuch, those five people, what they have done has changed the direction of this issue.

00:05:57.000 And we'll talk about what that means.

00:05:59.000 Of course, it goes back down to the states.

00:06:00.000 Unfortunately, for New Mexico, I think that's only going to be more abortion tourism for this state, and you should do that. 1.00

00:06:10.000 But for the country as a whole, Roe versus Wade was judicial activism.

00:06:15.000 It was a moral stain on our country.

00:06:17.000 And praise God that that ruling has been reversed.

00:06:24.000 And it's sad that Roberts didn't join them.

00:06:27.000 Yeah, he joined on one of the more technical purposes.

00:06:31.000 That's right.

00:06:31.000 But on the one that mattered.

00:06:33.000 John Roberts is always there when you don't need him.

00:06:37.000 Yeah, he's bad.

00:06:38.000 I would just say he's bad, but he's much more articulate than I am.

00:06:38.000 Yeah.

00:06:42.000 But anyway, so we have that.

00:06:45.000 That's going to change.

00:06:46.000 States are already outlawing it or banning it in their state.

00:06:50.000 I think Utah did it the other day.

00:06:52.000 Missouri, I think, right away did something.

00:06:55.000 And what's so interesting is for years we were told that Planned Parenthood does more than just abortions, right?

00:07:03.000 So why is it that all these Planned Parenthoods are closing a couple days after Roe versus Wade?

00:07:07.000 That's kind of weird, isn't it?

00:07:09.000 If they do more than abortions, then why don't they remain open and just stay as women health centers? 1.00

00:07:14.000 We know what the truth is there.

00:07:15.000 And yes, so this is going to create, unfortunately, an abortion tourism industry. 1.00

00:07:20.000 You guys already have that here in Albuquerque and New Mexico.

00:07:23.000 And boy, do you have a continual fight that you're going to need to keep on focusing here in New Mexico?

00:07:28.000 But there, literally, this is not an exaggeration.

00:07:31.000 There were abortions that were planned in Missouri that got canceled because of this decision.

00:07:37.000 Yeah, that's so agreeable.

00:07:38.000 That's so good.

00:07:40.000 There are babies in a womb right now that are still alive because of this decision.

00:07:45.000 And so what we know is this will decrease the amount of abortions in America.

00:07:50.000 The fight is still to continue.

00:07:52.000 But what it did do is it clarified the court does not have the right or the ability to nationalize something that is not articulated in the Constitution as a quote-unquote right.

00:08:03.000 And I'll say this, though, this actually, despite all the posturing by the media, it's actually a very moderate decision.

00:08:11.000 It just sends it back down to the states.

00:08:14.000 It's agnostic on whether abortion is right or wrong.

00:08:17.000 What it does is it sends it back down to the states, where it always should have been, by the way.

00:08:21.000 And by the way, marriage should be back down to the states as well, because there were states that always said marriage is one man and one woman.

00:08:28.000 Didn't Claire Thomas speak into that?

00:08:30.000 That's right.

00:08:31.000 Clarence Thomas said we should cut away from the habit of nationalizing these issues.

00:08:35.000 What are we doing?

00:08:36.000 Right?

00:08:37.000 Instead, we should allow the states to govern themselves as they see fit.

00:08:40.000 And look, it's going to be a long-term fight here in New Mexico, of course.

00:08:44.000 I believe God is moving, though.

00:08:46.000 I believe that God is moving the hearts and souls of so many people to open their eyes to this tragedy, to nothing short of a genocide of over 55 million lives that have been taken.

00:08:57.000 But this was an unbelievable, courageous step in the right direction. 0.53

00:09:01.000 These justices had every reason to be cowards.

00:09:05.000 Their lives were threatened. 0.66

00:09:06.000 The decision was leaked, almost assassinated.

00:09:09.000 At every turn, they could have walked away.

00:09:11.000 And I believe that is an inspiration for all of us to not cower the mob, to not give these people what they want, and to stand for truth and with moral clarity.

00:09:20.000 Amen.

00:09:24.000 So, Johnny, let me ask you this question with that.

00:09:27.000 What do you think it is?

00:09:28.000 And I talk about it a little bit, but what do you think it is that the people on the left, the liberals, the people, why do you think they're so passionate about murdering babies?

00:09:37.000 So, that's a really interesting question, right?

00:09:39.000 So, I don't, some of them, when I go to these marches, I talk to them and they will consider the baby to be a parasite, an invader, all these different things.

00:09:48.000 So, really quick, because all of you are going to have probably pretty passionate abortion discussions with family members and friends, it's important to know how they debate.

00:09:57.000 So, the acronym SLED is most helpful.

00:10:00.000 So, SLED are the four big claims that are used by abortion fanatics: size, level of development, environment, and degree of dependency.

00:10:08.000 So, let's start with size.

00:10:09.000 This is the easiest one to push back.

00:10:12.000 They say because the being is only half a pound, or because the being is smaller than you, then you should have the right to be able to terminate that being.

00:10:21.000 Well, okay, I'm six foot four.

00:10:23.000 Should I be able to kill Steve because Steve is not as tall as me? 0.68

00:10:28.000 I can answer that. 0.94

00:10:31.000 No, no, exactly. 0.81

00:10:34.000 So, on its face, it is ludicrous, right?

00:10:38.000 No one in their right mind believes your moral value is based on how heavy you are or how tall you are or your mass.

00:10:47.000 That is on its face, just completely and totally wrong.

00:10:51.000 Okay, so then level of development.

00:10:53.000 They focus on this one a little bit, but they'll say, Hey, the being, again, they use the word fetus a lot, right?

00:10:59.000 Which, again, actually in Latin literally means human being, but that's a separate issue.

00:11:04.000 Just that you need to ask them a very simple question.

00:11:07.000 What species is the fetus?

00:11:09.000 Where on the animal kingdom is it?

00:11:11.000 Is it a cat, a dog, an alligator, a hawk, an eagle?

00:11:15.000 As soon as they say human, like, okay, so it's a human being that happens that you're calling a fetus to try to disguise what you know is wrong.

00:11:22.000 It just makes you feel better to call it a fetus, not call it a baby.

00:11:26.000 And so by level of development, they say, well, you see, the being is not fully formed, right?

00:11:32.000 So therefore, we have a moral right as formed beings to be able to crush the not as formed beings. 0.98

00:11:38.000 And so then let's just extrapolate that argument.

00:11:40.000 Should you be able then to starve a newborn baby right out of the womb?

00:11:43.000 Of course not.

00:11:44.000 It's infanticide.

00:11:45.000 Level of development means nothing.

00:11:47.000 A two-year-old hasn't yet gone through puberty.

00:11:49.000 So are you allowed then to terminate the two-year-old?

00:11:51.000 No.

00:11:51.000 So level of development means nothing.

00:11:53.000 E means environment.

00:11:55.000 This is something that the pro-abortion community used to focus a lot on, which is the location of the being matters.

00:12:02.000 Because it's within another being, therefore that being has the moral right to be able to terminate it, otherwise known as my body, my choice.

00:12:10.000 Now, hilariously, I didn't hear one of these my body, my choice people say anything when they were forcing us vaccines against our will the last year.

00:12:19.000 Nothing.

00:12:21.000 Nothing.

00:12:23.000 So I think they lost all credibility on the kind of body sovereignty issue.

00:12:30.000 However, let's then let's play this out.

00:12:32.000 Is the location of a being related to their moral worth?

00:12:37.000 Of course not.

00:12:38.000 If a baby is in the womb or outside of the womb, or if it's in Albuquerque or Phoenix or in Denver, the location of where the human being is completely irrelevant to what that being actually is.

00:12:49.000 And so they use that as a way to try to create a false moral high ground.

00:12:53.000 Now, D in sled, size, level, development, environment, degree of dependency, the D is where they really focus the most amount of time and attention, which is that being would not be able to live without assistance from the outside world.

00:13:06.000 And so this is very hard for some people to push back against.

00:13:09.000 They say, you know, yeah, that's right.

00:13:11.000 So, but then also, but immediately should say, wait a second, where else in widely accepted morals, which by the way means Christian values, just so we're clear, are you able to terminate another just because they're dependent on you?

00:13:23.000 If a baby is born and you just leave that baby there, is that baby going to hunt and gather?

00:13:28.000 Are they going to participate in subsistence farming?

00:13:30.000 Are they going to drive to the grocery store?

00:13:32.000 Of course not.

00:13:33.000 Or how about elderly population?

00:13:35.000 How about people that are in support of nursing home care?

00:13:38.000 Are you allowed to pull the plug instantaneously, starve them, not have support show up at nursing homes?

00:13:43.000 Of course not.

00:13:44.000 The value of how we determine life is not correlated with how dependent a being is on somebody else.

00:13:52.000 But it comes down to a different and separate question, which is morally, what do you think the strong, the developed, and the old should do against the weak or the not as strong, the young and the vulnerable?

00:14:05.000 We believe the strong must do everything they can to protect the weak.

00:14:09.000 Every other civilization, almost every other civilization before America and most civilizations on the planet find there is nothing wrong for the people with power to crush the people without power.

00:14:21.000 This is derived from the Bible where we believe everyone is an image bearer and therefore it necessitates legal, constitutional, and moral protection of that being.

00:14:31.000 That just because you're older, stronger, richer, taller, have more muscle mass does not mean you could then use that incumbent advantage to go crush someone who isn't.

00:14:41.000 Abortion requires the restraint of the strong to make sure the weak can thrive and survive.

00:14:48.000 And so, but there's another point to this, Steve, to answer your question.

00:14:50.000 Why are they so focused on this?

00:14:52.000 They're focused on it because you notice they say, we want to have control over our reproductive process. 0.91

00:15:00.000 That is in its core trying to become a godlike being on earth.

00:15:05.000 Reproductive process is something that is left to nature, also known as God.

00:15:09.000 They want to be able to control things that are only left to God.

00:15:13.000 And so, for those reasons, it really animates them.

00:15:18.000 I tend to find that everyone who argues for abortion kind of has a different, it has a different wrinkle or a different kind of push towards it.

00:15:28.000 But here's the thing: is that we are winning this debate.

00:15:33.000 And so, amazingly, they had a couple months' head start.

00:15:36.000 They leaked the decision.

00:15:38.000 Did you notice in the last 36 hours, even on Twitter, on Facebook, on YouTube, that our arguments are actually resonating with more people than ever before?

00:15:47.000 Why?

00:15:48.000 It's because the pro-life issue is a rare combination of morality, biology, truth, facts, and yes, even emotion.

00:15:57.000 We now have an issue that combines the pathos, the logos, and the ethos together.

00:16:01.000 And the other side that is keeping us saying, well, it's my body, my choice.

00:16:04.000 My body, my choice.

00:16:05.000 Even if it means all the way up to the point of birth.

00:16:08.000 And so, I just want to encourage all of you: this is an issue that we now have the wind at our back that for most of our lifetime we were always on defense for.

00:16:15.000 The pro-abortion fanatics are more nervous than ever that America is actually becoming a pro-life nation, that we want to protect the unborn, and that they are losing the debate at every single turn.

00:16:30.000 Well, the reason I asked him that question was so he could explain it to all of us, including myself, so I can answer it.

00:16:36.000 Because, you know, we know what we believe, and sometimes we say things that people can't, you know, hang on to, they don't, because we're so emotional about it.

00:16:47.000 But just to process people, that that's a baby, that's a human being, I think is incredible.

00:16:51.000 So, thank you for that.

00:16:53.000 And then, Charlie, okay, now, this is this is, I never use the word gay, I don't use any of those terms that the homosexuals use. 0.85

00:16:59.000 I use homosexual. 0.94

00:17:00.000 This is called homosexual month. 1.00

00:17:03.000 And, and, um, and so, uh, you know, with all the transgenderisms, you know, people wanting boys to compete with girls and all that the homosexual movement entails. 0.85

00:17:14.000 Um, speak to that, if you would.

00:17:16.000 Yeah, and you know, I did a whole podcast on this at the beginning of this month.

00:17:19.000 They call it Pride Month.

00:17:21.000 Whenever I tweet out, Pride is a sin, people lose their mind.

00:17:23.000 It's like, actually, it is.

00:17:25.000 And so, drives them nuts when you say that.

00:17:28.000 However, so it's interesting, you know, four or five years ago, I was naive enough to believe that there could kind of be a détente on this issue.

00:17:38.000 Kind of, okay, live and let live.

00:17:40.000 A lot of you were probably with me, right?

00:17:42.000 That I might not approve of that lifestyle, but who am I to say?

00:17:46.000 And what am I to judge?

00:17:48.000 And how naive I was to believe that this well-funded movement would somehow just stop with the supposed marriage decision at the court.

00:18:00.000 And so, as I analyze this, I realize this goes in four different steps.

00:18:04.000 The first step is that it's almost they want you to demand your tolerance.

00:18:11.000 Okay, you must tolerate it.

00:18:12.000 It kind of makes some of us uncomfortable.

00:18:14.000 Like, well, the Bible says marriage is one man and one woman.

00:18:17.000 The Bible says that God created man and woman.

00:18:21.000 And I think some of us are kind of like, oh, okay, I'll tolerate it.

00:18:24.000 I think some of us want to be, you know, magnanimous people.

00:18:27.000 We don't want to be necessarily divisive, right?

00:18:29.000 That's not our heart.

00:18:31.000 But then all of a sudden, a couple months later, it goes from tolerance to they come back, hey, I need you to accept it.

00:18:37.000 You're like, well, I thought we were in the tolerance.

00:18:40.000 No, no, you have to accept it.

00:18:43.000 What does that mean?

00:18:43.000 That means that if you don't believe what I want you to believe and accept it as a core value, then you're my enemy.

00:18:49.000 That kind of makes us uncomfortable.

00:18:50.000 And then they come back again.

00:18:51.000 I'm like, oh, I need you to celebrate it.

00:18:56.000 Wait, hold on.

00:18:57.000 I thought we were doing the tolerance thing.

00:18:58.000 No, no, no.

00:18:59.000 You got to celebrate.

00:19:00.000 Where's the flag?

00:19:01.000 In your yard.

00:19:04.000 Mine's in the trash.

00:19:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:19:08.000 And you kind of look around, you're like, but it's like my heart was for tolerance, right?

00:19:14.000 And then next thing you know, they come back again and they say, you must participate it and your children must participate in it.

00:19:21.000 I'm like, whoa, hold on a second.

00:19:23.000 Went from tolerance to acceptance to celebration to participation awfully fast, didn't it?

00:19:29.000 And that I look back at how naive I was, and largely because I felt as if this could kind of become a non-issue.

00:19:36.000 That was my heart.

00:19:37.000 My heart was for it to become kind of a non-issue, and all of a sudden bridges could be built.

00:19:41.000 And my goodness, the opposite was true.

00:19:44.000 In reality, that was the beginning of them taking advantage of us that all of a sudden go after children, whether it be drag queens. 1.00

00:19:52.000 And now the next development is the chemical castration of our children, where you are seeing many young ladies in this state, I know this to be true, and across the country, be prescribed irreversible hormone blockers, puberty blockers, because they'll say some things to a counselor and irreversibly damaging pharmaceutical products will be administered to them.

00:20:16.000 And so I think all of us need to kind of take an honest assessment that, man, four or five years ago, or maybe a decade ago, that we might have, we were kind of swindled, to be perfectly honest.

00:20:26.000 And look, I know people in my own personal life that are homosexual and they participate in that lifestyle. 1.00

00:20:33.000 And that that's a separate question than whether or not what we are going to believe from a public policy perspective and also what we are going to call right and wrong.

00:20:43.000 And so where we at right, where we are at right now is that, and there's another part of this, though, which is how tyrannical those four steps actually become, right?

00:20:52.000 And so what I have grown to learn is that it's not live and let live.

00:20:57.000 It's live and let them rule. 1.00

00:21:01.000 It's we do nothing.

00:21:03.000 And next thing you know, your child has to show up to a drag queen event at the local public school. 0.88

00:21:08.000 We do nothing and they have an incredibly pornographic piece of curriculum for 10-year-olds or 11-year-olds in the local public school.

00:21:17.000 We do nothing and then they're prescribing hormone blockers without parental consent at public schools across this state and across the country.

00:21:26.000 And I know many of you are in the same boat as we are, which is we're not going to put up with it anymore, actually, which is that the heart I now have is the stand for truth, which is that we must understand that there is the laws of nature and nature's God, that there is a natural law, and that we are not going to give an inch on God's plan for his people.

00:21:48.000 That marriage is for one man and one woman to be in a perfect union together.

00:21:53.000 That God created man and God created woman, and that we will not allow these secular humanists to go after our children, period. 0.85

00:22:02.000 We're not going to allow it to happen.

00:22:07.000 So with that hormone blockers, we were talking to some of the pastors earlier, you were, and you began to describe what they're saying and what the reality of those hormone blockers are.

00:22:17.000 If they give a girl testosterone, so tell them when you call it chemical castration, if you'd explain a little bit more why you call it that. 1.00

00:22:24.000 Yeah, so there's this lie that is pushed by a lot of these counselors to teenage girls that you could press pause on puberty, take these hormone blockers.

00:22:35.000 By the way, take drugs that are prescribed to rapists in prison to try to destroy the reproduction of their sex hormones. 0.54

00:22:42.000 Just you understand how these are not like on the edges drugs.

00:22:46.000 These are highly aggressive interventions that are being done pharmaceutically.

00:22:51.000 And then they say you could just kind of resume puberty whenever you want.

00:22:54.000 We're just pushing pause.

00:22:56.000 And it's a lie.

00:22:57.000 There is no evidence to suggest this at all.

00:22:59.000 There is irreversible damage.

00:23:01.000 Great book by Abigail Schreier, where she writes about this in great detail.

00:23:04.000 And also Matt Welsh's movie, What is a Woman, does a phenomenal job of articulating this.

00:23:09.000 And so you go through the entire topic with testosterone blockers and you realize that they are preying on young ladies in particular.

00:23:17.000 They prey on young men, but young ladies in particular that have, let's just say, self-confidence issues, peer pressure issues, and identity issues at the most confusing part of puberty and development.

00:23:31.000 And based on clinical data, the feelings that a young lady will have at 11, 12, 13, and 14, you know, body is changing, hormones are starting to rage, is they will get over that.

00:23:43.000 The clinical data shows that also common sense shows that, right?

00:23:46.000 What ends up happening is a counselor comes in after maybe a 13-year-old will see something on TikTok that says, do you not feel comfortable in your body?

00:23:55.000 And by the way, most young ladies don't feel comfortable in their body because so many different things are changing when they're 12, 13, and 14. 1.00

00:24:01.000 That doesn't mean you're a man living in a woman's body, by the way.

00:24:05.000 That means you're going through puberty.

00:24:07.000 And that sometimes needs to be communicated again and again for young ladies that are feeling that in particular.

00:24:12.000 And it happens to young men as well, but far less young men than as young.

00:24:15.000 And so then what they ended up getting in is these communication circles of people on TikTok or Tumblr or whatever, where they make it very popular then to come out as trans.

00:24:27.000 And this is not, this is not just kind of like picking a different sports team to choose, to cheer for it, right?

00:24:33.000 This is something that comes with sometimes surgical intervention as well, where breasts are removed and irreversible transition happens and occurs. 1.00

00:24:45.000 And so we're starting to see this happen at such a pace.

00:24:48.000 You're not allowed to even talk about this openly in a lot of communities, but I know a lot of you are parents and you are very worried and nervous about the nonstop propaganda campaign that is happening in local communities.

00:25:00.000 And you feel as if you have no power whatsoever.

00:25:02.000 That if you speak up, all of a sudden child protective services could potentially be called because you might be abusing your child, even though you want to be a good parent.

00:25:11.000 And so this is something where, you know, and they will always use this kind of this term.

00:25:16.000 They say gender affirming care.

00:25:19.000 That's what they call it.

00:25:20.000 I call it chemical castration.

00:25:21.000 They call it gender affirming care.

00:25:23.000 You see how far apart we are on this.

00:25:25.000 But you think about it, it's very interesting.

00:25:27.000 What should a counselor do? 0.97

00:25:29.000 Should a counselor affirm you or challenge you and try to bring you back into a place where you are confident and you are healed?

00:25:38.000 If a counselor is affirming you, then the counselor's not doing their job.

00:25:43.000 A counselor should try to have a target and a goal to bring you towards that, not to try and pacify or try to go down to where you are, where you know it's going to have long-term damaging effects and impacts.

00:25:55.000 And this is all totally new phenomenon that has come into psychological circles in the last decade, which is we've been doing it all wrong and we have to meet the patients where they're at and we have to give them comfort where they are instead of actually trying to give them clinical-based therapy to actually get them, you know, get them to a place where they can feel confident in themselves and that they can actually live a sustainable life.

00:26:18.000 And the damage everybody is beyond.

00:26:21.000 This is the most suicidal generation in American history.

00:26:25.000 And it's not just because of the trans issue, but it's because of this gender identity confusion and sexual confusion.

00:26:32.000 If you want to screw up a young person's mind, have them think that sex is normative and that it's not something for private.

00:26:40.000 It messes up a teenager very quickly.

00:26:44.000 Not to mention a lot of these young men are addicted to pornography and that they are being fed hyper, you know, hyper radical images and messages.

00:26:52.000 So what is the big takeaway of this?

00:26:54.000 Two things.

00:26:55.000 Number one, all of you must realize who's actually behind this.

00:26:58.000 This is one where actually it's deeper than the LGBT activists.

00:27:02.000 The pharmaceutical companies stand to make billions of dollars a year off your children.

00:27:09.000 Every child is a dollar sign.

00:27:11.000 If they can get a child to self-proclaim as trans, anywhere between $4 to $6 million of drugs and therapies will be given that child over the rest of their life.

00:27:21.000 That is an annuity for Pfizer.

00:27:24.000 Now, of course, we all trust the pharmaceutical companies, right?

00:27:27.000 After the last couple of years, we think super highly of AstraZeneca, Johnson and Johnson, and Moderna.

00:27:31.000 So they would never do anything like this, right?

00:27:36.000 Where they see this as an opportunity.

00:27:38.000 If you look at the amount of drugs that have yet to be approved by the FDA that are in waiting, clinical two trials, it is dozens of drugs for this specific purpose.

00:27:50.000 So just think of this much more cynically, that there's a gold mine.

00:27:54.000 There are people right now working for pharmaceutical companies that want your child to have to have these gender issues intervene. 1.00

00:28:00.000 The second part of it is this, though, which is that parents, I just want to tell you right now, if there is ever an issue to overturn the table, to shatter the glass, and to just to say upset friendships, please pound the table over this issue.

00:28:16.000 I'm telling you right now that this is not the issue where you sit idly by.

00:28:22.000 You have to be aggressive, you have to be bold, and you have to intervene because your child, and this is not a phase that will pass if the corner is turned.

00:28:32.000 I want to say it again: it is irreversible physical damage, where from the deepening of the voice, the higher testosterone levels.

00:28:39.000 And so parents are called to be guardians of their children, be vigilant.

00:28:42.000 And also, if you send your child to a local government school, they very well might be propagandized with the curriculum and the local things that are happening right now.

00:28:50.000 And so we have to be unafraid of what the bad guys call us.

00:28:52.000 Who cares?

00:28:53.000 You are here to protect your children, their innocence, their virtue, and their future.

00:29:01.000 So think about, so Charlie, the Bible talks about when you talk about that they want tolerance and celebration and then acceptance and the celebration.

00:29:08.000 You know, it's interesting in Romans 1.

00:29:10.000 In Romans 1, it talks about that if we as people not only participate, but if we applaud it, if we agree with it, if we push it, we're just as guilty as them.

00:29:21.000 And so this movement, and then the thought that the homosexuals will say too now, you know, because they couldn't find a gene, you know, they couldn't find anything. 0.90

00:29:28.000 So now it's God made me this way. 0.97

00:29:31.000 And I think, well, so if someone came to me and said they were a murdering Christian or a drug addict Christian or a thieving Christian, I would say, well, you're probably not a Christian.

00:29:45.000 Now, if they told me I murdered somebody and I got saved, that's another thing. 0.78

00:29:48.000 So these people are so deceived and so lied to that they believe somehow they were made this way.

00:29:55.000 And then, well, if I'm made this way, there's nothing I can do about it.

00:29:58.000 See, that's a defeatist attitude.

00:29:59.000 We as the church, I mean, you know this better than I do.

00:30:02.000 And I'm asking, we as a church, we need to stand up stronger and bolder, don't you think, from our pulpits and from wherever we're at and say, you're not born this way. 0.95

00:30:12.000 Homosexuality is a sin. 1.00

00:30:15.000 You know, I read a book years ago that said 94% of the men have been sexually abused. 0.99

00:30:20.000 So they recruit because two men can't make a baby, two women can't make a baby. 1.00

00:30:25.000 And so how do we get converts?

00:30:27.000 We have to recruit them to what lies and deception.

00:30:30.000 So talk about, if you would, for a moment, the church as a whole and the churches that are taking stands.

00:30:37.000 Well, I mean, and this is so frustrating to me because how many of you have seen churches recently that have the rainbow flag outside of them?

00:30:43.000 I mean, look at all the hands that are being raised.

00:30:46.000 So not only are they not taking stands, Steve, they're doing the opposite.

00:30:50.000 In fact, my mother-in-law went into a church recently and it was an Episcopalian church and it had a big sign that said abortion is healthcare.

00:30:57.000 This is in the church.

00:31:00.000 And so we have to recognize and realize that there are many people that are using the label of the church and the gathering point to push this sort of evil.

00:31:11.000 And so, look, we need pastors to speak boldly and clearly.

00:31:14.000 I believe that we're in a time right now where people are yearning for the non-political correct.

00:31:20.000 People are yearning for truth because they've seen the consequence of the deceit and the lies.

00:31:26.000 Do you think that we're a happier country than we were 10 years ago?

00:31:30.000 Do you think that we have more young people that are excited and optimistic?

00:31:34.000 No, we are the most depressed, most alcohol-addicted, most drug-addicted in history.

00:31:39.000 And yet it happens to be the decade where our churches became the most politically correct.

00:31:44.000 The decade where the churches tried to water down their messages the most, right?

00:31:48.000 The churches where they were like, well, you know, we got to wear the skinny jeans and do the TED Talk thing.

00:31:53.000 And don't worry, Steve, you passed the test.

00:31:54.000 You're good.

00:31:55.000 So no skinny jeans for Steve.

00:31:57.000 Don't worry.

00:31:58.000 And instead, people want truth.

00:32:02.000 And it really is that it will point them to Christ.

00:32:05.000 And it's so comforting.

00:32:06.000 Our founding fathers knew this, that there is the laws of nature and nature is God.

00:32:11.000 That there is a designer to this universe and that there is an intent that God has for your life.

00:32:17.000 Now, we're all going to stumble.

00:32:19.000 We're all going to make mistakes.

00:32:20.000 But the question is directionally, despite, you know, maybe running a red light or getting pulled over, are you heading north?

00:32:27.000 Are you heading south?

00:32:29.000 And that's the question is that God is the true north.

00:32:32.000 Jesus is north.

00:32:33.000 And this is the most, and I just want to, I saw this amazing clip from Clarence Thomas.

00:32:39.000 God bless Clarence Thomas, by the way, one of the most amazing Americans ever to live, truly.

00:32:44.000 And I like him.

00:32:46.000 He was talking about truth.

00:32:49.000 And he said, truth does not change, even if you're in a hurricane.

00:32:53.000 North is still north.

00:32:55.000 Truth does not change if somebody's screaming in your face.

00:32:58.000 North is still north.

00:33:01.000 And what he was really saying is that the configuration, the direction of how you chart your life remains the same.

00:33:07.000 But you have to have that purpose.

00:33:09.000 You have to have that direction.

00:33:10.000 And if we know someone that strays off course, we have to love them enough to try to bring them back into alignment of how God wants them to live and not have them in a place where you know that they're going to be more likely to be living with, you know, kind of mental health issues or substance abuse issues or all these other things.

00:33:28.000 Because Jesus is the ultimate healer of all those things.

00:33:31.000 And God has a design that he wants us to live in alignment and obedience to those commands.

00:33:36.000 And I use this example a lot because there is this kind of lie of modernity where Charlie, you are free when you do whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it.

00:33:47.000 You've probably all heard this before.

00:33:48.000 It's a propaganda campaign towards your children all the time.

00:33:51.000 That freedom is you get to be in charge of your own life, however you want to do it.

00:33:55.000 By the way, I believe a lot of our mental health issues in America are way overemphasizing the me, me, me instead of serving others.

00:34:02.000 I think that's a lot of the issue, by the way, which is you don't have to micromanage how you feel in every moment.

00:34:09.000 If you do, it will drive you mad.

00:34:12.000 In fact, the question should be, am I acting properly?

00:34:15.000 Am I doing good things for my community?

00:34:17.000 Am I serving others?

00:34:19.000 That's much more important than, well, at 3.30 this afternoon, I felt this way.

00:34:23.000 And just go look at a tree for like an hour.

00:34:25.000 Do something that isn't you.

00:34:27.000 Like focus on anything external, like anything.

00:34:31.000 We do have tree huggers in this.

00:34:32.000 No, that's fine.

00:34:33.000 But the point is, it's not just all about you all the time.

00:34:37.000 So, I mean, anyway, so I get to this.

00:34:40.000 I get to the kind of point I was making, which is if it was true that doing whatever you want to do, whenever you want to do it, then alcoholics would be the most free people in the world.

00:34:50.000 And we all know, and I just use that example, I could use 50 different addictions, right?

00:34:55.000 Gambling, addiction, all sorts of addiction, overspending, whatever, that alcoholics will be the first one to tell you that they're not free.

00:35:05.000 And that's a great example.

00:35:06.000 And the Bible talks clearly about this, especially in the New Testament.

00:35:10.000 Paul wrote about drunkenness and sorcery and all these things you could be unfree, you know, you could be captive to, which is that it's actually restraining yourself from your fleshly impulse that makes you free.

00:35:22.000 That the decision not to do the thing you want to do actually keeps your soul at peace and keeps your being at peace.

00:35:30.000 It is the opposite of actually what the world tells you all the time, which is indulge in your flesh, go to the casino, buy the next thing, have the next drink of alcohol, do what makes you feel good.

00:35:41.000 And we actually know the biochemistry now and the neuroscience behind it is that eventually you're going to overheat your dopamine reaction and you need a bigger kick.

00:35:48.000 You need a higher substance.

00:35:50.000 And eventually that's when people crater down, you know, and they almost get to a place where they feel as if they've totally hit rock bottom.

00:35:57.000 They don't know what to do.

00:35:57.000 So to answer the question, Steve, is that we must have the clarity from the pulpit.

00:36:02.000 And you've done an amazing job.

00:36:03.000 By the way, isn't Steve just a great pastor?

00:36:04.000 He's doing such a great job.

00:36:06.000 I mean that.

00:36:08.000 You are so blessed to have a pastor like Steve.

00:36:10.000 I really mean that.

00:36:12.000 He's very rare.

00:36:13.000 I say that as someone who speaks at a lot of churches, to have the moral clarity to say, this is what God wants for your life.

00:36:19.000 And North is North, even if someone is screaming at you.

00:36:22.000 North is North, even if you're in a hurricane.

00:36:24.000 Yeah.

00:36:25.000 So, so, Charlie, just, and we'll move on from this in a second, but I, so the, the, the part of the Christians that I deal with here, if we were in Texas, everybody would be like hooraying, but here you're an anomaly. 0.93

00:36:37.000 And some of these pastors know if you speak up against these issues, somehow you're offending people.

00:36:42.000 So the thing that the church sometimes said, well, if I love them, I'll accept them.

00:36:50.000 If I love them, I'll tolerate them.

00:36:52.000 If I love them, somehow we won't tell them the truth. 0.76

00:36:55.000 And that's why the homosexual move is taking our children. 1.00

00:36:59.000 I mean, they're just lying to them.

00:37:01.000 And so what would you say to that for preachers or ministers or Christians that think that way?

00:37:06.000 You know, maybe their son or their daughter, and they say the only way I can win them is to, you know, to love them and accept them.

00:37:13.000 And my thought is that once you accept it, then there's no hope for them because now they don't have to change for anybody.

00:37:19.000 So what would you say?

00:37:20.000 And I'd say it depends on what your definition of love is.

00:37:24.000 And so the Greeks had many different words for love, agape, storge, phileo, and eros.

00:37:29.000 And true love is truth.

00:37:31.000 The people that, if you really love somebody, you're going to tell them the truth.

00:37:36.000 You need to love them enough to bring them back in a place that will free them.

00:37:41.000 And so, for example, if you have a 12-year-old and that 12-year-old says, I'm actually a boy, like, no, you're not.

00:37:47.000 And you need to have the courage to say that.

00:37:49.000 Because if you affirm that or you tolerate it or you accept it, you have to know the damage that that will be, that will happen for that 12-year-old.

00:37:58.000 And then all of a sudden, you should then zero in on, because guess what?

00:38:00.000 But 12-year-olds coming and saying, I'm a boy, they didn't think of it themselves.

00:38:04.000 You have to then harness and isolate the external environmental factor that is undermining you as a parent, and you have to cut it off immediately.

00:38:11.000 Because I guarantee you, they did not come up with it themselves.

00:38:15.000 And within 30 seconds, they'll say, well, my teacher said this.

00:38:20.000 Or I saw a series of videos that said that.

00:38:22.000 They'll come clean because deep down they know there's something not right with it.

00:38:26.000 And then you isolate it and you correct it instead of, you know, well, yeah, I just, I think that's, I think that's okay.

00:38:32.000 I think that's the right thing.

00:38:33.000 No, of course not.

00:38:35.000 And it is a parent's role because to know the road ahead, ask those coming back.

00:38:39.000 And it's the elder's role, and it's definitely the pastor's role to then make sure the direction is always charted correctly.

00:38:46.000 And so I would say this, though, that we have to have grace as Christ did, but Christ was 100% truth as well.

00:38:54.000 He told the people, sin no more.

00:38:55.000 That's right, sin no more.

00:38:56.000 And what is right and what is wrong?

00:38:58.000 And by the way, there's a reading of Jesus that I think is incorrect, which is that Jesus accepted sin.

00:39:07.000 Because people say, well, Charlie, you know, Jesus dwelt among prostitutes and dwelt among the least of these.

00:39:14.000 Of course he did because he loved them so much, he wanted them to get back into alignment with God's plan.

00:39:20.000 Because he saw them as the potential for most improved category.

00:39:25.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:39:27.000 Because he loved them so much, he knew they needed to help the most.

00:39:31.000 He didn't go there to validate their lifestyle.

00:39:34.000 He went there to love them enough to bring them back to live free and the liberty.

00:39:38.000 That's why Christ dwelt among the quote-unquote least of these.

00:39:42.000 Never once did he say, you know, I really approve of your prostitution dealings. 0.90

00:39:48.000 Never once did he say, you know, I really approve of exploiting the poor.

00:39:52.000 No, in fact, it was the opposite.

00:39:54.000 Christ was clear with what God's intent and God's plan was, but also he loved them enough to say it to them.

00:40:02.000 And that's interesting, isn't it?

00:40:03.000 He didn't feel as if he was above, because Christ has a heart for all of humanity because all of us are dealing with the same sort of issues, the same sort of struggles, is that human beings don't change just because time changes, that we're dealing with all the same sorts of things.

00:40:17.000 And we all need Jesus.

00:40:19.000 And we all need to know that God loved us so much that he put forward an ideal for us and for our life.

00:40:24.000 And again, we'll stumble and we'll, you know, we'll struggle and all that.

00:40:27.000 But are you directionally trying in your best, in your ability, to get towards God's plan and purpose to your life?

00:40:32.000 And so the church needs to stand on God's word, never apologize for it, preach the gospel. 0.87

00:40:39.000 Killing babies, murdering babies is wrong. 1.00

00:40:41.000 Homosexuality is a sin. 1.00

00:40:43.000 And God didn't make anybody that way.

00:40:46.000 And folks, as we fight for New Mexico, this is what we fight in our school systems.

00:40:52.000 I mean, we're as liberal as you get and godly.

00:40:56.000 And so I appreciate you talking about those things.

00:40:59.000 So we as believers, if we'd all stand together and the word of God be our foundation, then we'll make a difference.

00:41:06.000 And let me say one more thing, which is people don't have to agree with us.

00:41:11.000 They'll actually respect and appreciate your moral clarity.

00:41:15.000 You don't have to raise your voice.

00:41:16.000 You don't have to call names.

00:41:17.000 You just call right, right, and wrong, wrong.

00:41:19.000 And guess what?

00:41:20.000 People deep down want to be led because then that kernel of truth will kind of, they'll marinate on it and they'll think about it and they'll pray on like, man, there's something different about those people.

00:41:30.000 They seem to, you know, really be able to chart a course in chaos and all of that.

00:41:35.000 And so I agree with you completely.

00:41:37.000 So Charlie, I know, I don't know how much more time we have until we do the Q ⁇ A. I'll do about five minutes now.

00:41:42.000 Okay.

00:41:43.000 So what is it that you think the church, believers, America as a whole?

00:41:49.000 I mean, this is kind of broad.

00:41:50.000 What is that you think is we should all at least focus on.

00:41:56.000 Like, I know we talked about abortion, we talked about homosexuality, but what is it?

00:42:02.000 I mean, what is it do you think?

00:42:04.000 Because based on, I know how smart you are and what you talk about, we have a Constitution, but before that we have a Bible, and our Bible is bigger than anything should be.

00:42:15.000 And so what is it that the church could concentrate on or people that believe or people who just believe in America should focus on in this day?

00:42:25.000 So I'm going to connect it with kind of the news on last Friday, which I think is the deeper point that I hope really is kind of a shot in the arm for all of us, which is for years I would show up at Republican gatherings and conservative gatherings and people would say, Charlie, just drop the Roe versus Wade issue.

00:42:41.000 It's never going to get overturned.

00:42:43.000 It's never going to happen.

00:42:45.000 And I realized the cynicism and the weight of negativity that was cast over our entire movement.

00:42:53.000 We were under the spell of thinking small.

00:42:56.000 And you could say a lot of things about Donald Trump, but he certainly didn't think small.

00:43:00.000 No, he didn't.

00:43:01.000 No.

00:43:02.000 And you think about it.

00:43:08.000 What is the next 10, 20, 30 things that we are told is impossible that we could get done?

00:43:14.000 School choice being one of them.

00:43:15.000 I love it.

00:43:16.000 That we have to think big and we have to realize that we were all propagandized to try to stay in our little lane.

00:43:24.000 If Roe versus Wade can be overturned, anything is possible, everybody.

00:43:31.000 And it should be, and it goes to show it might be multi-generations of fighting.

00:43:38.000 It's going to be a tough battle, but they posted the biggest loss, and that is their sacred cow, everybody.

00:43:45.000 The abortion industry is their deal. 0.63

00:43:48.000 They are, you see it, they're just losing their mind.

00:43:51.000 I mean, and I think it's great.

00:43:53.000 Well, I mean...

00:43:54.000 Because maybe we can win them over.

00:43:57.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:43:58.000 And I think that it actually presents an opportunity for us with grace and with love and truth to communicate why we are pro-life.

00:44:05.000 And look, this is not really going to be the case as much in New Mexico, but in other states in particular, if you live in a state that will now outlaw abortion, it is incumbent on the church.

00:44:16.000 In fact, I believe we will be judged based on this second chapter to make sure that no woman that now has a child wants and needs for necessities now that she has chosen life. 0.96

00:44:27.000 That at that moment, because we now have to do chapter two, right?

00:44:32.000 Which is, okay, we made the laws that abortion factories are gone. 0.90

00:44:36.000 Well, now that 18-year-old that is scared that will now have that child in Joplin, Missouri, or in Austin, Texas, we got to be there with diapers and medical assistance and love and care and to make sure that they are welcomed into a culture of life.

00:44:51.000 That's on us now.

00:44:53.000 So we have to increase our charitable efforts.

00:44:55.000 We have to increase our philanthropic efforts.

00:44:57.000 Every church now has to, I think, open up more centers, more hotlines, more billboards.

00:45:03.000 We have to take ownership because, hey, we are the ones that want it to be overturned.

00:45:07.000 Praise God, abortion is gone.

00:45:09.000 And now we're going to be the ones to welcome those little ones into the world with what they need to be able to thrive and survive.

00:45:18.000 And so that's my first worry is we can think big and we can do seemingly impossible things.

00:45:25.000 But I just want to say this kind of just as the country, as where we are at the country right now, if that's okay, just kind of more broadly, which, look, I think that what a blessing to live in the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:45:37.000 And I think a lot of you are here tonight in this hacked audience.

00:45:41.000 And thank you for spending your Sunday evening with us.

00:45:43.000 It really, it's awesome.

00:45:45.000 I think a lot of you are more frustrated about kind of one thing than anything else, which is we're doing these miserable things to ourselves.

00:45:54.000 Is that the greatest, most wealthy, benevolent, generous nation ever to exist in the history of the world is deciding to stop being those things.

00:46:04.000 And I think that drives you mad because it certainly drives me mad.

00:46:07.000 It does.

00:46:08.000 When I see an agenda that intentionally spikes the price of oil, that intentionally keeps our borders wide open, that intentionally weakens the U.S. dollar, that intentionally goes after political opponents while excusing the misdeeds of your own.

00:46:25.000 I get upset.

00:46:27.000 I really do.

00:46:28.000 And I say to myself, it would be one thing if space invaders came and we had to fight some sort of external whatever.

00:46:35.000 That's what they're trying to make it seem.

00:46:37.000 It's Vladimir Putin's fault.

00:46:38.000 Like, yeah, okay, sure, whatever.

00:46:39.000 No, no, no.

00:46:40.000 We are doing this to ourselves.

00:46:44.000 That actually is a message of hope.

00:46:44.000 And guess what?

00:46:46.000 If we're doing this to ourselves, we could stop doing it to ourselves.

00:46:50.000 And we can actually fix this rather quickly.

00:46:54.000 And so I believe we are entering what I would call the final phase.

00:46:59.000 And I've done a couple podcasts on this and I've talked about this at length.

00:47:03.000 We could talk about this in Q ⁇ A, which the final phase, I believe, is the last chapter before victory, where we will, metaphorically, of course, let's just say, extinguish the political woke movement into oblivion.

00:47:18.000 Like similar to the Mesopotamians and the Egyptians before them. 0.93

00:47:18.000 Come on. 0.93

00:47:27.000 They're just gone.

00:47:29.000 We have artifacts that show they were once there, but they no longer exist.

00:47:35.000 How do we get there?

00:47:35.000 That's what I want.

00:47:36.000 Well, the final phase is this.

00:47:38.000 For years, many of us were doing what we were told to do, raising our families, going to church, tithing, building businesses.

00:47:46.000 And we kind of watched news partially, part-time, but we weren't in the weeds, right?

00:47:50.000 We weren't in the grassroots.

00:47:52.000 And that's perfectly okay.

00:47:54.000 It's not an accusation.

00:47:55.000 It's actually, you were doing the right thing.

00:47:57.000 But then Barack Obama got elected in 2008 and people started to wake up.

00:48:01.000 And then he got re-elected in 2012 and people said something doesn't sit right here.

00:48:05.000 And then around 13 or 14, the American left realized that their multi-decade gig was starting to get exposed.

00:48:13.000 But all of a sudden that we realized that they overtook the universities, the public health departments, and the corporations.

00:48:19.000 And they used what ended up being an incredibly and remarkably and shockingly effective weapon against all of us, name-calling.

00:48:30.000 They weaponized name-calling to turn us into mass paralysis.

00:48:35.000 And we all lived under that for a long time.

00:48:38.000 In 2015, 16, or 17, just being called a racist could get you canceled from your job, isolated from a social group.

00:48:45.000 And all of us were kind of like, well, I'm definitely not that, whatever it is.

00:48:49.000 And then all of a sudden recently, and I don't quite know why, but I have some theories, about a year and a half ago, all of a sudden that spell they had over us kind of started to fade.

00:49:01.000 People would start to say, I don't care what you call me.

00:49:03.000 I'm going to go save my kid from the local school board.

00:49:07.000 Like, I don't care what you call me.

00:49:09.000 You're not vaccinating my six-month-old.

00:49:11.000 It's not going to happen.

00:49:12.000 Okay?

00:49:15.000 And all of a sudden, you have this moment and they're starting to realize it, which is why it's the final phase, where they realize their spell over all of us has faded.

00:49:27.000 And they keep calling us these names.

00:49:28.000 We're like, so what?

00:49:29.000 So what?

00:49:31.000 And so then they go to the last thing they have, force.

00:49:36.000 Raiding their political apartments, the political opponents' apartments.

00:49:40.000 Eight of them happened the other day.

00:49:42.000 Eight of Trump political operatives.

00:49:44.000 Steve Bannon is up for trial.

00:49:46.000 Peter Navarro arrested at an airport.

00:49:48.000 James O'Keefe's apartment raided.

00:49:49.000 Rudy Giuliani's apartment raided.

00:49:51.000 A family in Texas this morning, they attended the January 6th rally, totally peaceful.

00:49:55.000 Their apartment was raided this morning.

00:49:56.000 That's all they have left is Soviet-style intimidation to try to get you to stop because all they have left is handcuffs, leg irons, and the ability to deplatform you.

00:50:06.000 But these people don't realize.

00:50:08.000 We don't care.

00:50:10.000 We're going to keep fighting.

00:50:11.000 Yeah.

00:50:11.000 You know what?

00:50:12.000 It's going to be tough.

00:50:13.000 There will be people here tonight.

00:50:16.000 And by the way, you say, well, they're not going to raid my apartment.

00:50:18.000 Okay, well, you might get fired from your job.

00:50:20.000 That's force, by the way.

00:50:23.000 You might get kicked out of a social group.

00:50:24.000 Your kid might be, you know, bullied or whatever.

00:50:27.000 But if we break through this final phase and we show them that their force means nothing to us, they're done.

00:50:34.000 This is the final chapter.

00:50:35.000 They have nothing left.

00:50:37.000 Their ideas are unpopular.

00:50:40.000 They have wreaked havoc on our nation.

00:50:42.000 And just look at the Rio Grande Valley in Texas.

00:50:45.000 The Rio Grande Valley in Texas.

00:50:47.000 The second most Hispanic district in the country, 84% Hispanic, that previously was a Democrat plus 25 district, voted for Republican plus five points two weeks ago.

00:51:04.000 A 30-point swing.

00:51:09.000 And I'm just going to talk about this on my personal behalf because it's more political.

00:51:15.000 But I will say this, that heading into November and in New Mexico, a state that is 65% Hispanic, if a state that's 65% Hispanic could even do a little bit of what the Rio Grande Valley did, that is 84% Hispanic, everything is on the table, everybody.

00:51:32.000 Everything is on the table.

00:51:37.000 And let me tell you why.

00:51:39.000 The Hispanic community long was the treasured of the American left, but they decided to embrace an ultra white, upper-middle-class, woke ideological agenda where they're telling people that men can become pregnant and that men and women can be whatever they want to be.

00:51:58.000 Now that might be really popular in Malibu and in the Upper East Side of New York, but that dog does not hunt in Albuquerque for a lower middle class Hispanic working family. 0.80

00:52:11.000 It doesn't.

00:52:13.000 Where in the Hispanic community, the tradition and the legacy of strong families of men being men and women being women is something you don't mess with that.

00:52:26.000 And yet these woke white liberals come in almost imperialistically to try to upend hundreds of years of tradition.

00:52:36.000 And they are met with massive resistance.

00:52:39.000 So what I'm just trying to encourage all of you is you are living through what I believe a once in a hundred year realignment.

00:52:48.000 A once in a hundred year realignment where you're seeing the treasured demographic of the left, the Hispanic community, move not just a little bit, 30 points in four years.

00:52:56.000 That doesn't happen, okay?

00:52:57.000 Let me tell you again, that does not happen.

00:52:59.000 And they're doing it themselves.

00:53:00.000 So what's going to take?

00:53:01.000 Boldness, faith, action, and a belief that we can defeat these people.

00:53:06.000 And that's how we're going to win.

00:53:08.000 Yeah, so good.

00:53:10.000 You need some questions?

00:53:11.000 Yeah.

00:53:14.000 So we'll do some questions.

00:53:14.000 All right.

00:53:16.000 You guys can line up here.

00:53:18.000 Please keep them as questions, though, not statements with, so what do you think about that, Charlie?

00:53:23.000 Just, you know, make it a question, please.

00:53:25.000 And so.

00:53:26.000 Please, please, no monologues, no long statements.

00:53:29.000 And he won't do it.

00:53:31.000 He's nicer than I am.

00:53:32.000 I'll say, okay, that's good.

00:53:33.000 Just ask the question.

00:53:34.000 So I'm not being mean.

00:53:36.000 I'm not trying to be rude.

00:53:37.000 But there's people that want to ask questions.

00:53:38.000 And if you take 20 minutes, then they don't get to ask questions on this.

00:53:42.000 So if you have a question, ask it.

00:53:43.000 I know Charlie.

00:53:46.000 Hello, Mr. Kirk, big fan.

00:53:49.000 So I had originally had a question, but you answered it about the homosexual Christian ideology.

00:53:58.000 So my next question is, so I have a best friend who was more than willing to get the vaccine in order to continue going to college as a dance major. 0.90

00:54:13.000 In my opinion, that's incredibly weak-minded.

00:54:16.000 How can I talk to someone and try and convince them to the other way?

00:54:23.000 Okay, yeah, look, I'll say this on the vaccine.

00:54:27.000 I know a lot of people that were forced to get it and they made a decision for their family and to provide for their family and they didn't want to take it at all.

00:54:35.000 And I don't blame anybody for that, by the way.

00:54:37.000 There's some people that talk negatively towards those people.

00:54:39.000 I totally disagree with that, okay?

00:54:42.000 That with inflation and with soaring gas prices, you look at people that were responsible to put food on their table for their family, and they said, you know what?

00:54:50.000 I'll take one for the team to make sure my family can maintain their standard of living.

00:54:54.000 So I've never gone out of my way and said, how dare you?

00:54:56.000 I've made my own personal recommendations of what I did and what I wouldn't do and then take the vaccine out of gunpoint, for example.

00:55:04.000 But I think it's wrong to just kind of attack people in that way.

00:55:09.000 Make your own personal medical decisions.

00:55:12.000 It's not my business.

00:55:13.000 I mean, look, I will say this, though, for your friend that's in the dance major, the question I would ask them is, you know, is the integrity of doing what you believe is right or what is right worth, is that worth fighting for or is convenience more important?

00:55:29.000 And that person might say, you know what, I need to get this dance degree or whatever, and that's more important than my own, you know, kind of medical consciousness.

00:55:37.000 So be it, right?

00:55:39.000 But I don't know how persuasive that would necessarily be for that person.

00:55:42.000 But look, I just want to make it very clear.

00:55:44.000 There's a lot of people that made their own decision on the vaccine.

00:55:47.000 I certainly have done multiple shows on that and multiple podcasts on it.

00:55:51.000 But I think it's a mistake to try to attack people that took the vaccine under pressure.

00:55:56.000 I instead, I focus on the people applying the pressure.

00:55:59.000 And I think it is evil and it was wrong to use force to go against people that did not want to take a vaccine.

00:56:05.000 Thank you.

00:56:06.000 Charlie, let me, can I say, so let me ask you this real quick based on this question.

00:56:10.000 So when people have talked to me about it, I said, listen, whatever you do, you got to do in faith.

00:56:15.000 I mean, I made a decision for myself.

00:56:16.000 I've had COVID.

00:56:17.000 So, you know, I had it for three weeks.

00:56:18.000 So I got antibodies.

00:56:19.000 So I'm good.

00:56:20.000 So, but, you know, and if you're a believer, whatever we do, the Bible says it's impossible to please God without faith.

00:56:29.000 So if you feel forced to take it or because you want to keep your job, man, in minimum, do it, believe in God, you're going to be okay.

00:56:38.000 Because according to what I've read, there's a lot of junk in that that could hurt your body.

00:56:42.000 Yeah, and look, just do your research, look at contrarian pieces of information.

00:56:48.000 And I think it's one of the most immoral developments of my life that an entire healthy young generation was forced to get a vaccine against a virus that posed very little to no risk to them whatsoever.

00:57:00.000 It's been one of the most frustrating developments in my lifetime.

00:57:03.000 Yes.

00:57:04.000 Hi, Pastor Steve.

00:57:05.000 Hey.

00:57:05.000 Shane here.

00:57:06.000 Charlie.

00:57:07.000 We've had a lot of topics in June.

00:57:10.000 Happy homosexual month, abortion, Juneteenth. 1.00

00:57:16.000 One topic that's not been approached is the Second Amendment.

00:57:20.000 As a politician, we know that the Second Amendment protects all other amendments.

00:57:26.000 And with that said, what do you know what's going on in Washington behind closed doors?

00:57:32.000 I've heard Biden's going to try to limit ammo because they're not going to be able to take our guns.

00:57:38.000 But what's the story there?

00:57:40.000 And what do you see in the future, especially for the United States?

00:57:45.000 Because all over the world, you know, they've taken the guns.

00:57:50.000 So really, that's our last protection.

00:57:52.000 Yep, it is.

00:57:52.000 So I'm very pro-Second Amendment, and I'm honestly repulsed and disgusted by those 15 Republicans that go out of their way to try to vote for those measures.

00:58:00.000 I really am.

00:58:02.000 So you articulated something correctly, which is if we don't make the proper moral argument of why we have the Second Amendment, then we're going to lose this debate.

00:58:13.000 And it has to be done with precision.

00:58:15.000 So I'm going to do it right now because the media will always take your words out of context with this.

00:58:20.000 But if you look at the actual original writings of the founding fathers, the Second Amendment is not there to hunt deer.

00:58:26.000 It's not even there for family home protection, nor is it there for target practice.

00:58:30.000 It's there if God forbid ever the government got so tyrannical or some power within your country got so powerful, not necessarily a government, it could be a gang, it could be a cartel, it could be a paramilitary group, it could be chaos, that you have to be able to protect yourself against a more powerful organization.

00:58:51.000 That's why we have the Second Amendment. 1.00

00:58:54.000 Now, the reason that's important is that if we just say it's about personal protection, they're going to be like, well, then you could just have a pistol or you could just have a shotgun.

00:59:03.000 You have to be very clear.

00:59:04.000 Like you said, the Second Amendment protects the other amendments.

00:59:07.000 And I'll prove it to you, which is, do you think for a second, the 26 million people that were locked down in Shanghai for 100 days, do you think if the people of Shanghai all owned weapons that they would have been locked down?

00:59:20.000 No.

00:59:21.000 Your political freedom, your freedom of movement, your freedom of speech is tied to your ability for all of a sudden the politicians know that there's a limit, that they can't push you too far.

00:59:31.000 Do you think China would have been able to annex Hong Kong, for example, if every single person in Hong Kong had an AR-15 around their back, not use it?

00:59:39.000 No, they would have been scared and they would have had a negotiation, not a hostage situation.

00:59:43.000 And armed citizenry is the best last reserve we have to be able to preserve self-government.

00:59:50.000 So finally, I'll say this kind of with your point about the Second Amendment with going on in Washington, D.C.

00:59:56.000 The far left in Washington, D.C. wants to do everything possibly can to have gun registration and gun confiscation.

01:00:02.000 Why Republicans are going above and beyond for this red flag law thing is crazy.

01:00:06.000 Now, some of you here tonight might say, come on, Charlie, I support red flag laws. 0.84

01:00:10.000 I will say this, a majority of people I know that support red flag laws are good people that want them for the right reasons. 0.69

01:00:16.000 But I think they're totally wrong.

01:00:17.000 Your intentions mean nothing when it comes to public policy, but I just want to validate most of you that push for red flag laws, you're actually really sweet people.

01:00:25.000 I really, I think a lot of, you're not like gun grabbers, you want it for the right reasons, but you're totally, you're totally wrong.

01:00:31.000 So let me lovingly correct you, okay?

01:00:33.000 So a red flag law, okay, would allow anybody that does not like you, former boyfriend, girlfriend, spouse, community member, political activist, to flag you without you knowing, where a hearing occurs without you being present, without due process, to take your weapons away and your ability to purchase weapons.

01:00:54.000 Anybody here, anybody here seeing a therapist maybe for anxiety or depression?

01:00:58.000 Red flag.

01:00:59.000 Anyone that might be disagreeable in public or got an argument recently at a grocery store or gas station, red flag.

01:01:05.000 Anybody put something on social media that could be deemed as disagreeable?

01:01:09.000 Red flag.

01:01:10.000 Anybody here go to a school board meeting anytime soon?

01:01:12.000 Well, according to the FBI, anytime recently, the FBI calls people that show up at school board meetings domestic terrorists, red flag.

01:01:20.000 So what they're doing is they're creating a very undefined definition that then could be used to be able to confiscate people's weapons away in a time, by the way, where we might be facing food shortages, fuel shortages, God forbid, a summer of riots and violent crime is going up across America.

01:01:37.000 And it certainly is going up in Albuquerque if I'm looking at the same, if I'm looking at the correct data.

01:01:42.000 This is the worst time ever to try to institute gun confiscation and gun grabbing in America.

01:01:47.000 And I'm just so repulsed by the Republicans that are putting this forward.

01:01:52.000 So thank you for your question.

01:01:53.000 Can I say one thing?

01:01:54.000 Yeah.

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01:02:32.000 Okay.

01:02:34.000 Can you hear me?

01:02:35.000 Okay.

01:02:36.000 I'm so glad you're here.

01:02:37.000 And thank you, Pastor Steve, for having Charlie here.

01:02:41.000 You brought up the challenge of big pharma.

01:02:45.000 Yes.

01:02:46.000 And in the area of gender dysphoria, which I do think gender dysphoria is now a medical term for people who are born a certain sex but want to change their sex.

01:02:58.000 I know they're trying to even do away with that term gender dysphoria. 0.78

01:03:02.000 And shouldn't we push back on big pharma to try to get big pharma to treat people with gender dysphoria in another way, not just with these intrusive pharmaceuticals?

01:03:14.000 Because it is, you know, and I'm speaking from someone back in the 80s, a lot of women were diagnosed with anorexia where you thought you were fat, but you're really like skinny.

01:03:25.000 This is the same thing.

01:03:27.000 There are treatments, but big pharma, what you said is they're just, they're taking over our children.

01:03:33.000 So look, I mean, pushing back against big pharma is incredibly difficult.

01:03:36.000 All of us can play our part, though.

01:03:38.000 And I do encourage everybody, and this is, I don't want to give medical advice as a doctor, but it's a general good life rule that will weaken big pharma, which is when you're sick or when you have ailments or pains, look for natural homeopathic solutions first, and then maybe go to pharmaceutical intervention.

01:03:53.000 That's my only piece of advice: is that if the studies show that if you look for homeopathic natural interventions first and then pharmaceutical, that 70 to 80% of their power goes away.

01:04:06.000 Now, I know there's people in this room that need blood pressure medication, and that stuff is very difficult to solve homeopathically or naturally.

01:04:13.000 I totally get it.

01:04:14.000 Okay, I'm not saying there's no place for pharmaceutical breakthroughs.

01:04:18.000 What I am saying, though, is that there is a much deeper reservoir of options, of lifestyle improvements, diet changes, exercise, also vitamins, essential oils that very well might be able to help you before you go kind of get the prescription at the local.

01:04:36.000 That will weaken them in a way you could imagine.

01:04:38.000 This is why they go after those industries so aggressively.

01:04:41.000 To your question, though, yeah, I mean, look, but the pharmaceutical companies want nothing to do with treating them differently.

01:04:47.000 They wouldn't.

01:04:48.000 They just care about making money.

01:04:49.000 And so they see a child in angst and anxiety, and they want to put them on a variety of slew of medication, not just limited to, by the way, to the chemical castration, puberty blockers, of all that, but also benzodiazepans.

01:05:04.000 They want to put them on Xanax.

01:05:05.000 They want to put them on all these other potential antidepressants and kind of anti-anxiety medication.

01:05:12.000 That I'm not a big fan of giving psychiatric drugs to children.

01:05:17.000 I think it's a terrible thing.

01:05:18.000 I think their minds are still developing.

01:05:20.000 I'm not saying there's not a role for them for certain people, but boy, I'm telling you right now, for young, developing, molding minds, we have 4 million children under the HB team in America that are on regular, steady doses of psychiatric medicine.

01:05:33.000 I think no one can make an argument that that's a good thing for me.

01:05:36.000 Don't at all.

01:05:38.000 So, anyway, thanks for your question.

01:05:39.000 I appreciate it.

01:05:41.000 Hello.

01:05:42.000 Hi.

01:05:43.000 So, I have two questions.

01:05:44.000 I hope that that's okay.

01:05:44.000 I wrote them down to be concise.

01:05:46.000 Okay, great.

01:05:47.000 So, first, so many Democrats and Republicans sit on opposite sides of so many issues.

01:05:51.000 I believe that the blue and the red, they've created divisiveness in the American people.

01:05:56.000 Do you ever feel sometimes that the left and the right somehow there has to be a way in the middle, right?

01:06:03.000 And it's constant: either you're all in or you're all out.

01:06:07.000 And that just can't always sit right with me.

01:06:09.000 Yeah.

01:06:09.000 So, I appreciate the question.

01:06:12.000 I don't feel that way, I'll be honest.

01:06:14.000 So, I don't have anything in common with people that think men could become pregnant.

01:06:23.000 I don't think there's a middle ground when people say that you could choose any gender that you want.

01:06:29.000 I don't have anything in common with people that call women birthing people.

01:06:35.000 There's no middle ground for me.

01:06:36.000 I'm sorry.

01:06:37.000 There just isn't.

01:06:38.000 So, that's on them, not on me.

01:06:40.000 And they say, Well, Charlie, you're being divisive. 0.93

01:06:41.000 No, they're being insane, actually.

01:06:44.000 So, I'm not being divisive.

01:06:48.000 And so, my current political philosophy is very simple, and you could feel free to disagree, but the hour is late, and we must know what time it is.

01:06:58.000 Not literally, what's about what time it is, which is this: either we're going to win or they're going to win.

01:07:04.000 They want nothing to do with negotiation or middle ground, nothing at all.

01:07:08.000 And so, it's a tough thing to accept, right?

01:07:11.000 So, we have to win and we're going to win, and we're going to do that by not giving an inch.

01:07:17.000 So, second question: Thank you.

01:07:19.000 Is it true, okay?

01:07:20.000 The farther, the more left the left goes, then the right, if you want to use those terms, the right, the conservatives, people who believe in American Constitution, believe in God and Bible, they tend to want to compromise.

01:07:33.000 Always.

01:07:34.000 And they never compromise.

01:07:35.000 Yeah, the gravitational pull is always to the left.

01:07:38.000 Do you notice that?

01:07:38.000 How many Democrats came to go authorize $4 billion for a wall, but how many Republicans were quick to go send $56 billion to Ukraine?

01:07:49.000 Why is it Republicans are all of a sudden, yeah, we need to go have red flag laws for Americans, but Ukrainians get guns? 0.92

01:07:55.000 That's weird.

01:07:56.000 So, you're trying to give Ukrainians guns while they're being invaded.

01:07:59.000 Yes, so are we.

01:08:00.000 So, do we get guns now?

01:08:01.000 Because there's a 3,000-person-a-day invasion happening in our southern border from narco-drug criminals. 0.87

01:08:14.000 That saw, yay, Charlie, come on.

01:08:22.000 Also, I know that there are a lot of believers here, so I want to know how do you present your ideas to people who refuse to believe that the Bible is truth?

01:08:30.000 Okay, that's great.

01:08:31.000 So, look, the good rule for life, and I learned this the hard way having to go speak at Berkeley and Stanford and UCLA and CU Boulder, is you have to, you should stop talking to somebody when they're not coming after the debate in good faith.

01:08:46.000 And you kind of have a pretty good built-in meter for that.

01:08:49.000 But if they're just being intentionally dismissive, arrogant, just stop.

01:08:52.000 It's not worth your time.

01:08:53.000 But if you find someone who's talking to you in good faith, then there's a lot of different types of persuasive tactics.

01:08:59.000 Now, it doesn't have to start with convincing them that the Bible is the word of God and is true.

01:09:05.000 There's many other different ways to try to go about it, but never waver on that truth, right?

01:09:10.000 And so, never compromise it, never dilute it.

01:09:13.000 But if they say, oh, the Bible's not true, it's like, okay, well, so which part of the Bible do you think is not true?

01:09:18.000 And they'll say, all of it.

01:09:20.000 Oh, really?

01:09:20.000 Well, we have archaeological evidence to support King Hezekiah, the destruction of the first and second temple.

01:09:25.000 We know Jesus is a real person because of the writing of Josephus.

01:09:29.000 So which part of the Bible is not true?

01:09:31.000 Like, the miracles aren't true.

01:09:32.000 Okay, like, which ones in particular?

01:09:34.000 I don't know.

01:09:34.000 Jesus rising from the dead.

01:09:36.000 Okay, why is it that every apostle then that saw Jesus after he died, why did they go die a death where they had every chance to recount it?

01:09:45.000 Who willingly dies for a lie, exactly?

01:09:48.000 So maybe it's not you don't believe the Bible, being even told not to believe the Bible because you actually don't know what's in it.

01:09:53.000 So that's how I'd handle that.

01:09:54.000 So thank you.

01:09:55.000 Jesus go teacher.

01:09:57.000 Jesus go teacher in the public school.

01:09:59.000 Thank you for being a great school teacher, by the way.

01:10:02.000 We need more of you.

01:10:03.000 God bless you.

01:10:05.000 All right.

01:10:06.000 Hey, Steve, Charlie.

01:10:07.000 I love the example of what you gave with the abortion with the sled. 0.84

01:10:10.000 One of the things that I always come against is the, oh, you know, incest and rape, even though it's 1% of all cases of abortion.

01:10:19.000 What's your argument against that?

01:10:21.000 Yeah, I mean, first, we have to admit those are tragedies and those are terrible.

01:10:24.000 So if I have two screens here, right?

01:10:26.000 So if I had an ultrasound of a baby that was conceived in a consensual married relationship and a baby that was conceived in rape, which one would it be?

01:10:36.000 So they're both babies and they're both worthy of constitutional protection.

01:10:40.000 And Chani, too.

01:10:41.000 So babies, guys, I know a lot of people, you know, use that argument.

01:10:47.000 It was a great question.

01:10:48.000 Is that that, guys, any child can be loved.

01:10:51.000 Every baby has the ability to be loved and the right to life, happiness, and the pursuit of life and liberty in the pursuit of happiness.

01:10:59.000 And so when people use that, it's such, it's almost none, it's almost 0%.

01:11:05.000 What's it like 0.6 or something?

01:11:07.000 Yeah.

01:11:07.000 Yeah, it's 0.6 of all abortions, 0.6% of all abortions.

01:11:12.000 And the final thing I'll just say, never in any sort of moral construct is doing something awful and evil the right response to something awful and evil.

01:11:19.000 Good.

01:11:19.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:11:21.000 That's what I wanted.

01:11:25.000 Okay, so I've been having a debate with someone, my husband, and we.

01:11:33.000 Is he here?

01:11:34.000 No.

01:11:35.000 I was going to say, you're brave.

01:11:38.000 Just call him out in front of.

01:11:40.000 And no matter who, I don't know who's watching.

01:11:42.000 My bad.

01:11:43.000 So I am very strong in believing to stand up for things.

01:11:48.000 And he thinks differently.

01:11:52.000 He thinks if you, if the church is being attacked, then that's when we should do something about it.

01:11:57.000 Other than, like, say, we go out and protest and have these debates with people.

01:12:05.000 What do I do?

01:12:06.000 I feel like he's trying to keep me in a bubble versus me standing up for what we believe.

01:12:11.000 What is the fight exactly?

01:12:13.000 Because it says there's a time for peace and there's a time for war.

01:12:16.000 Yeah, that's a great, great point.

01:12:18.000 So Jesus calls us to be salt and light.

01:12:20.000 So salt and light have two things in common.

01:12:23.000 They change the environment that they go into.

01:12:26.000 And so we are called to be change makers for Christ and for liberty, which is God's idea, not man's idea.

01:12:31.000 And therefore, so can you be salt just when everyone agrees with you?

01:12:37.000 You got to go places that need the saltiness or that need the light.

01:12:40.000 So you have to go to places that are dark.

01:12:42.000 And so as far as kind of talking more generally, in Jeremiah 29, 7, it says, demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.

01:12:51.000 We are called to care about the land, the community, the county, the state that we are in.

01:12:55.000 Daniel fasted and prayed for the nation that he was in.

01:12:58.000 Esther, Mordecai, Jeremiah, Nehemiah, and Joseph all tried to influence secular government for God's purpose.

01:13:04.000 Jesus Christ said, make disciples of all nations.

01:13:07.000 Jesus was charging his disciples and his followers to go to places they otherwise would not go, to not stay where it's comfortable, but actually to go where it's uncomfortable, where you're going to receive persecution and backlash.

01:13:22.000 So I'm a big critic against comfortable Christianity.

01:13:25.000 In fact, I think comfortable Christianity is largely to blame for why our country is in the place that it's in the last 20 or 30 years. 0.99

01:13:33.000 And so, and the final thing I'll say is this.

01:13:36.000 Those of you here tonight that have had your life transformed by Jesus Christ and you're born new, then we should have a heart to what?

01:13:42.000 Love your neighbor as yourself, which means you want to bring that light to others.

01:13:47.000 And so you should do everything you possibly can to do that in your community and your nation and in your town and where you live.

01:13:53.000 And with your husband, when you said that if he said when the church is attacked, we were attacked.

01:13:59.000 We have been brutalized over two and a half years.

01:14:01.000 And I know because we've been fighting for two and a half years, along with a bunch of other pastors.

01:14:05.000 And so the church was attacked.

01:14:07.000 The whole goal was to silence the church, to get them, to get us to submit to evil, the demonic thing that sits up in the north of us.

01:14:17.000 And really, seriously, we were attacked.

01:14:19.000 We were told to close down.

01:14:21.000 We were told we couldn't sing or chant, which is prayer.

01:14:24.000 They didn't have the guts to say prayer.

01:14:26.000 And put a mask on our face.

01:14:28.000 And so, and don't do what God wants us to do.

01:14:31.000 Do it.

01:14:33.000 When our governor said, we are here to keep you safe, she couldn't keep me safe walking across a school crossing.

01:14:40.000 And yet I thought that's not her job.

01:14:42.000 And for the first time in history, we had what I call the pandemic.

01:14:47.000 I don't think it was managed.

01:14:49.000 I know it wasn't.

01:14:49.000 It was managed so horrifically that we were told that we couldn't worship God.

01:14:58.000 And we had to stand up.

01:15:00.000 But too many Christians bought into the rhetoric of the lies. 0.86

01:15:03.000 God never told us to be afraid, but yet we were afraid.

01:15:07.000 And as believers, we got to know.

01:15:09.000 So the church was attacked.

01:15:10.000 So you're right to stand up and fight.

01:15:12.000 So hopefully you can persuade him to fight with you.

01:15:16.000 We got to get to the next question.

01:15:17.000 Thank you.

01:15:17.000 I'm sorry.

01:15:19.000 We'll take two or three more, okay?

01:15:21.000 Okay.

01:15:22.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:15:23.000 I'm a big fan.

01:15:24.000 But also, my question is, so I was blessed to have an aunt who had special needs who enriched my life in so many ways.

01:15:31.000 And it's upsetting to hear politicians and influencers who are using people with disabilities as justification for abortion.

01:15:40.000 So what is your response when people don't have the humanity to see the light these individuals can bring into the world?

01:15:46.000 It's such a beautiful question.

01:15:48.000 Thank you.

01:15:49.000 So there was a clip on CNN with Anna Navarro where she said, we need abortion because having special needs people can be expensive and can be terrible. 0.96

01:16:01.000 And so, or can be very difficult.

01:16:03.000 So it goes back to the question of what is right.

01:16:07.000 How should you design society?

01:16:09.000 Well, the strong need to protect the weak, that you don't discard a human being because maybe they don't talk as fast as you do.

01:16:16.000 Or maybe because they're not as tall as you, or maybe because you can walk and they can't.

01:16:22.000 You know, in Iceland, they have completely eradicated the country of Down syndrome.

01:16:29.000 I had the same reaction you did. 0.65

01:16:31.000 I thought it was disgusting.

01:16:32.000 They didn't eradicate it through some sort of scientific innovation.

01:16:36.000 They didn't eradicate it through better nutrition.

01:16:39.000 They eradicate it through pre-fetal blood testing.

01:16:44.000 Where that if you have a baby that is shown to have Down syndrome, you must get an abortion, period. 0.98

01:16:50.000 And that's coming here.

01:16:52.000 So the question is, what is a human being?

01:16:55.000 Is it worthy and necessary of protection?

01:16:58.000 And here's why Christianity is so important and why no civilization will ever be able to have the success or have the moral center that America had because we're founded on Christian values, which is, it's very simple. 0.96

01:17:11.000 What is a human being?

01:17:12.000 If a human being is an accidental clump of cells that evolved over a couple million years, then yeah, just discard the people that aren't as smart.

01:17:20.000 What's the argument against it?

01:17:22.000 Everyone developed because they're an accident, right?

01:17:25.000 You're just here because of a roll of dice.

01:17:27.000 But if you believe human beings are designed and made and have a soul and not just a bunch of chemicals running through their body, then all of a sudden you have a totally different way of viewing humanity and a different view of how you organize your state, your government, and how you yourself conduct yourself.

01:17:44.000 And so it's very simple for us.

01:17:45.000 We find that to be reprehensible and disgusting.

01:17:48.000 Others did not. 1.00

01:17:49.000 Oliver Wendell Holmes, who's actually revered by the American left, argued for mass sterilization of women, what he called idiot women in the 1920s. 0.99

01:17:59.000 We sterilized tens of thousands of women. 0.98

01:18:02.000 Actually, some Native American and Latino communities in the 1960s had mass sterilization of women because they were considered to be not pure. 0.96

01:18:11.000 Done mostly, by the way, by radical leftists and eugenicists.

01:18:14.000 So eugenics is nothing new. 0.99

01:18:17.000 But a question needs to be asked of the American left, which is who's your God?

01:18:21.000 Well, they believe Darwin is their God.

01:18:23.000 They believe the survival of the fittest, that the strong have a moral obligation to crush the weak.

01:18:28.000 Let nature play itself out.

01:18:30.000 We say, no, no, no, no.

01:18:31.000 We as human beings must resist the impulse or the temptation to ever try to crush people that might not have the same gifts that we do.

01:18:38.000 And so it comes right front and center with the moral argument.

01:18:41.000 They want abortions for convenience. 1.00

01:18:44.000 We want life because it's the right thing and it's the moral thing.

01:18:47.000 And I just want to say one final thing, which is we need to respond publicly and aggressively of how sick these people are to say they want to terminate people just because they have special needs. 0.79

01:18:59.000 These people are sick. 0.96

01:19:01.000 Period. 0.98

01:19:02.000 How old are you?

01:19:04.000 I'm 15.

01:19:05.000 15?

01:19:06.000 Great question.

01:19:07.000 I'm glad to see you're here.

01:19:09.000 Wow.

01:19:10.000 What a great question.

01:19:14.000 Pastor Steve, Charlie.

01:19:16.000 Hi.

01:19:17.000 My question is a little bit, might seem a little bit off topic of what we've been talking about tonight, but I think it has a lot to do with government tyranny and our Christian beliefs, the two versus each other.

01:19:30.000 There's been a lot of talk about cryptocurrency.

01:19:34.000 And, okay, I know it's funny, but the thing is, is I see cryptocurrency as the beginning of one world currency, which could lead to the mark of the beast.

01:19:45.000 The other thing is, is that the government has the ability to look at your transactions because it's all electronic and take control of your personal destiny under the tyrannical government.

01:19:58.000 Okay, so I totally disagree.

01:20:01.000 I'm happy to walk through the technology of blockchain of why that's actually the opposite.

01:20:07.000 A very service understanding would give you that.

01:20:09.000 But just so you know, that when a cryptocurrency is developed, the code is not accessed by the state.

01:20:15.000 It would take a $35 billion state intervention to try to even throw off a single blockchain network.

01:20:21.000 I mean, it's incredibly complex.

01:20:23.000 It's technologically transparent.

01:20:25.000 Don't have the time to go into it right now.

01:20:27.000 They're going to try to create a government cryptocurrency. 0.99

01:20:30.000 You're right.

01:20:30.000 But the technology behind blockchain, I actually think, is a liberation from the one world government.

01:20:36.000 I actually think the technology behind Ethereum and Bitcoin, not necessarily them themselves, but the ability and the potential it has actually can make it so that you are able to transact your wealth and your money without the government detecting it, regulating, or knowing about it in a moment's notice halfway around the world, where you know how many dollar bills there are, how much value there is, where it's stored and how it's stored, and that they would not be able to access your money because it's encrypted and it's in its own, it's its own singular network.

01:21:04.000 So happy to talk about that at a different time, but I just don't see this eye to eye with you.

01:21:09.000 Thank you.

01:21:09.000 So just two more questions.

01:21:11.000 Two more.

01:21:12.000 My name is Amy.

01:21:13.000 One more.

01:21:14.000 I had a question about school choice.

01:21:17.000 Yes.

01:21:18.000 There are a couple of children very close to me that I would like to send to Legacy Academy.

01:21:22.000 Had a tour there.

01:21:23.000 It's fabulous.

01:21:25.000 They're in public school right now.

01:21:27.000 If there were school choice, would it be more?

01:21:29.000 How would I afford that?

01:21:32.000 Could you explain the process?

01:21:33.000 Yes, of course.

01:21:34.000 Thank you.

01:21:34.000 So if you lived in Arizona, for example, which is a great state, it's the best school choice state in the country.

01:21:42.000 You would be able to get a voucher equivalent of your tax dollar that you would send to a local public school, and you could reallocate that to Legacy Academy, for example.

01:21:52.000 Now, and so, for example, you'd get a $5,500 check from the government that you could then reuse and pay for tuition at legacy.

01:21:59.000 Sounds pretty great, right?

01:22:00.000 So, you should bring it here to New Mexico.

01:22:02.000 You guys need full school choice in New Mexico sometime soon.

01:22:06.000 Arizona's best.

01:22:07.000 Go ahead.

01:22:08.000 You want to close it up?

01:22:09.000 Yep.

01:22:10.000 I've done everything that's been asked of me.

01:22:16.000 I have a whole closet of gold.

01:22:18.000 I have Relief Factor.

01:22:20.000 I reverse mortgaged my home.

01:22:22.000 I called the Medicare helpline.

01:22:24.000 What else do you want me to do?

01:22:30.000 Every one of us needs to do what we can in our own life to boldly be able to keep on pushing back against this tyranny.

01:22:37.000 For some of you, that will be starting your business and maybe quitting your job right now because you feel as if, you know what?

01:22:42.000 I'm just not in a free place.

01:22:44.000 What does that mean?

01:22:44.000 That means if you are not the same person in public that you are in private, you're not living a free life.

01:22:50.000 So think about that, pray about that, fast about that.

01:22:52.000 And finally, we have to act boldly.

01:22:54.000 We have to act boldly to keep on showing up events like this, support candidates that you believe that are going to pursue righteousness and liberty.

01:23:01.000 And I'm telling you right now, every hundred years, there is a realignment that is written about in history books.

01:23:08.000 It's right now.

01:23:09.000 And I want to be able to tell my grandkids that I was doing everything I possibly could to be able to push back against these degenerate forces and be able to pursue righteousness to make America a better place, a virtuous country, and continue to fight for what matters for future generations.

01:23:26.000 God bless you guys.

01:23:27.000 Thank you so much.

01:23:31.000 Thank you so much for listening to everybody.

01:23:32.000 Email me your thoughts as always: freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:23:35.000 Thanks so much for listening.

01:23:36.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 03, 2022

Breaking the Spell of Thinking Small — LIVE From Legacy Church with Pastor Steve Smothermon

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