Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, we go through all the details of Donald Trump's indictment, Alana Habash, his lawyer joins us, and we make a call and a challenge to the other candidates: Where is the opposition party in a time like this?
00:00:45.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:54.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:52.000But to your point, I mean, I don't think I've ever seen our audience just reading through the emails, reading through some of the replies on your tweets.
00:01:59.000I've never seen everybody so fired up.
00:03:31.000Now we're talking about a total venue change.
00:03:33.000As the great one Mark Levin said, it's because that moron in Washington, D.C., Jack Smith, realized that the venue in D.C. had venue issues because it has to take place in as to you have to try in the place where the crime was allegedly committed, right?
00:03:48.000So the document stuff happened down in Mar-a-Lago.
00:03:52.000This is important because it's not going to be as easy to get Donald Trump easily convicted with some jurors.
00:03:59.000I guarantee you right now, you're going to have some MAGA Cuban mom who's like Miami went for DeSantis this last season.
00:04:06.000Yeah, and Donald Trump almost won Miami-Dade County in 2020.
00:04:09.000You're going to get somebody on the jury that some Cuban on the jury who's like grandfather was murdered by Castro and like refuses to go along with this.
00:04:40.000But if he were to move forward in D.C., what would happen is this case would get dragged out at least another year as the lawyers argue about was this done in the right venue.
00:04:52.000So Jack Smith is taking a strategic, time-based approach in order to take him off the chessboard before 2020.
00:05:01.000Jack Smith is making decisions as if he's running a Democrat super PAC, not a special counsel's office of the Department of Justice.
00:05:43.000You need an opposition party in the country.
00:05:45.000You need to show that the country has some, half the country that's upset about this and like you, that is fired up and angry has some sort of representation.
00:05:55.000It's not going to happen because you've got a lot of Vichy French Republicans, weak need vanilla types that like to tweet and put out press releases.
00:06:03.000They don't want to actually do the thing.
00:06:04.000Every single Republican running for the presidency should go to Miami and suspend their campaign in a show of solidarity and support, not support of Trump.
00:06:25.000I mean, Chris Christie would take up half the photo, and then you got Doug Bergen with those crazy eyes, and then you got Nikki Haley.
00:06:31.000But still, it would be an unbelievable picture where you have all these people running, and you say, okay, now we have an opposition party.
00:06:37.000And you better believe that if we had a Department of Justice special counsel that was indicting a Democrat for the presidency, every major Democrat would be there in harmony.
00:07:08.000The only way this stops, and again, this is not going to be the only thing.
00:07:11.000This is just a small thing to do, is you have to show a visual, immediate, decisive, and public visual and show of support that every instrument of power, we're not going to put up with this.
00:07:24.000We need every governor, every attorney general.
00:07:26.000We should have every Republican billionaire.
00:07:28.000It should just be this mass chorus of we're not putting up with this.
00:07:33.000And what do you have more important to do, Republicans running for the presidency on Tuesday when Trump gets booked in Miami?
00:07:40.000You're going to go to Iowa to go like eat deep-fried butter or something?
00:07:45.000Chris Christie's going to go do a town hall with seven people in New Hampshire?
00:07:49.000Well, what do you have that's more important?
00:07:53.000I don't care if you don't like his tweets.
00:07:54.000I don't care what you are broadcasting.
00:07:57.000If you don't show up to Miami on Tuesday, is I care more about my own political power than standing by the constitutional republic that you want to serve.
00:09:20.000And I'm putting my presidential campaign on temporary hold to show support, not for Trump, not for this, because, you know, we're in a spat right now and we both want to be president.
00:09:29.000Instead, support for the people that stormed Normandy Beach.
00:09:32.000Support for the people that sacrificed for this country.
00:09:34.000Support for the people that built this, for Adams, for Jefferson, for Madison, for Jay, for Lincoln, for the heroes of this nation.
00:14:34.000You can't do it bluntly, but they do it anyway.
00:14:37.000And so they go to Walt Nada, who's now been indicted, and they say, you know, he doesn't have the same attorneys.
00:14:43.000And they say, unless in exchange for testimony and a plea deal down to a misdemeanor, in exchange for cooperation, then we'll be able to get the goods on Trump.
00:15:00.000This is what we thought Durham was doing, but Durham was a gutless wonder and he didn't do any of this, right?
00:15:07.000So we have Walt Nada, who is this really sweet man who is going to be indicted and they're going to try to use him as a way to turn him to try to get to Trump.
00:15:18.000Yeah, they're squeezing all around Trump and his orbit.
00:15:20.000This probably isn't the last domino that's going to fall in this because what they're probably looking for is people with firsthand evidence that Trump somehow mishandled the documents.
00:15:29.000Or, you know, there was a story breaking on CNN this morning that said, you know, Trump was basically saying I could declassify things as president, but I can't do it after the fact, which actually to me, and there's difference of opinion on this, but to me, that's Trump being having a very clear-eyed understanding of his powers, obviously pre- and post-presidency, and understanding the presidential presidential act that he's following.
00:15:55.000I'm just, I'm blanking on the exact word.
00:15:56.000But what's interesting is that, and we haven't talked about this yet, is that it's important for everybody to understand.
00:16:01.000The Presidential Records Act is not a criminal statute.
00:16:39.000Woodrow Wilson, this is when this law came into being.
00:16:42.000Woodrow Wilson absolutely abused this law, right?
00:16:47.000There's a couple different stories here.
00:16:49.000You know, there was 100 years ago in South Dakota, a man in South Dakota received 10 years in prison for writing a letter to a friend where he opposed liberty loans to fight World War I. 10 years.
00:17:02.000There was another guy that said, young men are fools to enlist and go across and be blown up.
00:17:07.000This man was convicted under the Espionage Act.
00:17:09.000So this is a broadly written rule that doesn't get used against a president unless you have an absolute prosecutor like Jack Smith that's hell-bent on weaponizing the DOJ.
00:17:29.000The more voluminous the laws, the further we get from justice.
00:17:32.000So we have this antiquated criminal code that was written for a different time and place that was never updated that people don't really think carefully, but it's USC whatever.
00:17:43.000And then you have a driven Marxist prosecutor that resurrects this antiquated criminal code to reapply it for a different time, place, and manner for somebody they hate.
00:17:54.000Legacy Box says something really special for you.
00:17:56.000What was your favorite childhood memory?
00:17:58.000Was it playing catch with your grandparents?
00:19:42.000This is taking on your political opponent because you can't beat him without coming at him with complete and utter garbage.
00:19:49.000This is something we've seen former president, not presidents even, vice presidents, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, all have as an issue.
00:19:58.000And we heard Comey say that he just wouldn't bring charges.
00:20:01.000But if you're Donald Trump, if you're the leading GOP candidate, if you're the likely nominee, and meanwhile, our current president can't walk upstairs, this is what you have to do.
00:20:11.000It's desperation and it is Soviet-style stuff.
00:21:06.000So there's been a lot of talk about how this is a civil statute that has been upgraded to a criminal statute.
00:21:12.000And, you know, the persecution of President Trump under this continues, despite the fact that Joe Biden, Joe Biden's not going to get indicted.
00:21:19.000Hillary Clinton was not indicted with this.
00:21:21.000Is there any claim potentially, Alina, at least from your perspective, of equal protection claims here that other people have not been indicted for similar handlings?
00:21:30.000I mean, this is beyond a novel legal theory.
00:21:37.000This is an antiquated World War I-era law that has been resurrected by a Marxist thug prosecutor to try to fit a media narrative against an active president of the United States.
00:21:51.000Are there equal protection claims that could be made here?
00:21:57.000This shows that there's really selective prosecution happening, meaning that you are not taking your seat and your position at the DA as an AG.
00:22:23.000That's when you are targeting someone where your motives are not pure and where you're not strictly going by the code of the statute or the rule of law.
00:22:32.000And of course, we will be bringing all of those claims and very quickly.
00:22:39.000Hey, Alina, thanks for joining us today.
00:22:41.000You know, one of the things that I'm looking into right here is this: you know, there's a, I believe it's an assistant U.S. attorney in the Southern District of Miami.
00:22:51.000So one of the things that's confusing people is just the fact that this is even happening in Miami at all.
00:22:55.000So I'd love to get your perspective on that.
00:22:58.000It seems like they're doing that as an opportunity to accelerate the timeline here so they didn't have to fight over a venue, you know, debate if it should have been held in Florida in the first place.
00:23:10.000But then there's this character that's emerging that I think is really interesting.
00:23:13.000This is Karen Gilbert, who was basically found, you know, she was caught red-handed wiretapping the defense attorney, which is highly illegal, highly unethical.
00:23:27.000How this person is somehow now involved in targeting a former president of the United States and not in prison herself is just incredible.
00:23:36.000It seems like there's this whole cast of characters, this dirty cops being arrayed against the president.
00:25:13.000An indictment, you really don't get a chance to put your case on at all.
00:25:16.000You know, if they bring in who they want, they present what they want and they select who will come in to a grand jury.
00:25:22.000But in a court of law, yeah, it'll be better.
00:25:25.000And in Florida, yes, I think you're right on the venue thing.
00:25:27.000I think they did it in Florida so that they wouldn't have to fight about venue because he is a resident of Florida and that is probably where the appropriate venue, but I'll let his attorney Sandalinus decide that.
00:25:38.000And Joe Biden has been informed about this.
00:25:44.000Like you said, there's a $5 million payment.
00:25:46.000I mean, we've known about this corruption and bribery for quite some time.
00:25:50.000The Biden family is in some serious trouble because we're not going to let off.
00:25:54.000And by the way, this is only now going to make the case easier to make against Joe Biden because there's going to be a, but what about the current president kind of talking point?
00:26:07.000I mean, the whole thing is so grotesque.
00:26:10.000I mean, you've turned over Iraq and Joe Biden took $5 million in that country.
00:26:14.000It's like, what countries did he not take money from?
00:26:16.000And Merrick Garland is directly interfering in a presidential election.
00:26:21.000Merrick Garland is a craven, evil man who is scorned and bitter that he was never on the United States Supreme Court and is using the Attorney General's office as a Democrat super PAC against active presidential candidates.
00:26:36.000It's worth repeating that the Department of Justice had a long-standing memo that they would not interfere with elections or indict current people running for the president unless it was such a huge threshold.
00:26:51.000Yeah, evidently, when you're Donald Trump, the threshold is a narrow documents case, which every single person that's left the White House, be it the president or vice president Pence or anybody, anybody has gone through, but they elevate everything for Trump just like they did.
00:27:09.000They stacked in the DA in New York with Bragg.
00:27:14.000And thank goodness for people like you and that you're continuously bringing it to the public's eye and saying it in plain English.
00:27:21.000We are seeing ultimate destruction of our country, ultimate destruction of the bedrock of our country and the Constitution and things that we're not supposed to do.
00:27:31.000And they're making us a banana republic.
00:28:04.000Mr. Trump brought these charges upon himself by not only taking classified documents, but by refusing to simply return them when given numerous opportunities to do so.
00:28:28.000These allegations are serious and if proven, would be consistent with his other actions offensive to the national interest, such as withholding defensive weapons from Ukraine for political reasons and failing to defend the Capitol from violent attack and insurrection.
00:28:44.000That is your Republican Party, Mitt Romney, everybody.
00:29:42.000We have to protect our nation's secrets.
00:29:45.000And my only hope is as we learn about the facts of the indictment next week, that the American people will see this case would meet a high standard necessary to justify the unprecedented federal indictment.
00:29:58.000There is no opposition party when you have a former vice president of the United States that comes out and says, no one is above the law.
00:30:06.000This is not about the law, Mike Pence.
00:31:36.000But Rachel Maddow is one of the worst.
00:31:38.000And Rachel Maddow goes on TV and she admits what this is all about.
00:31:42.000So what's important here, though, is that Rachel Maddow almost certainly, again, this is speculation, but almost certainly was on conference calls, text messages, and threads with DOJ people that were chattering about this.
00:31:54.000So she didn't just come up with this idea, right?
00:31:56.000She doesn't have unique or organic ideas.
00:32:26.000You have to wonder if the Justice Department is considering whether there is some political solution to this criminal problem, whether part of the issue here is not just that Trump has committed crimes, but that Trump has committed crimes and plans on being back in the White House.
00:32:42.000Do they consider, as part of a potential plea offer, something that would prescribe him, proscribe him from running for office again?
00:33:34.000So the Rachel Maddow talking to one of these people, maybe Merrick Garland directly, saying, hey, Donald Trump, you don't want to go to prison?
00:33:49.000Hey, it'd be a real shame if something happened to your daughter.
00:33:54.000It'd be a real shame if something happened to your dog.
00:33:56.000This is no different than the Sicilian mob.
00:33:59.000And Rachel Maddow is basically saying, hey, there might be a plea deal that you might run for the presidency.
00:34:04.000Everybody, I don't want to hear another whisper that Donald Trump can't win in 2024.
00:34:11.000If Donald Trump could not win in 2024, why is Rachel Maddow saying the Department of Justice should act as a taxpayer-funded Democrat super PAC to say, hey, part of your plea agreement to not go to prison, pal, for 20 years is to drop out of the presidential race.
00:34:27.000It's like you always say, if their victory was inevitable, their propaganda wouldn't be necessary.
00:34:43.000I think there's a lot of doomerism on the right.
00:34:46.000This is actually something that should make everybody have a little bit of confidence that we're on the right track here.
00:34:50.000They're looking at the polling, and they actually know that we're starting to get on point building the early vote machine, which I, you know, listen, nobody has to love that, but I'm telling you, they're looking at it and they know they have a historically weak candidate in Joe Biden.
00:35:03.000I just want to repeat what I said earlier.
00:35:05.000Every Republican running for the presidency for reverence of the Constitution, our tradition in our country, should temporarily suspend.
00:35:13.000I'm not even saying drop out of the race.