00:00:00.000Today in the Charlie Kirk show, Matt Schlapp, who's the head of CPAC, with some pretty incredible revelations about President Trump's legal team.
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00:04:41.000And I think the reason is, and you know this, Charlie, because you just had a really great event down in South Florida, which you sold out on, is people, our people, people who love America, who love our founding, who love cops, who go to church, who have faith, who thinks George Washington's a good guy, not a bad guy, maybe not a perfect guy, but close to perfect.
00:05:02.000You know, those types of people, they are hungry to get out of their basements.
00:05:06.000They're tired of being told that they're going to get sick and die if they do anything at all.
00:05:10.000And they are also watching this onslaught of socialism that they hoped that Joe Biden would be more moderate in approach to.
00:05:18.000But as you and I knew, he never had any intention of being moderate.
00:05:21.000He's reading the papers that are given to him.
00:05:39.000And so CPAC is probably the most covered political event of the entire year, minus this show trial in Congress or, you know, some other stuff.
00:05:49.000But in the traditional calendar, it's really important.
00:05:53.000And it's going to be super important this year.
00:05:54.000I know a lot of press are going to be watching very carefully.
00:05:57.000Matt, you have a lot of input on who speaks, on the type of panels that are done, and kind of the direction you want the conservative movement to go.
00:06:09.000You've done a really good job when you run CPAC.
00:06:11.000You allow different voices of the conservative movement to be heard.
00:06:14.000Libertarians, traditional conservatives, establishment Republicans.
00:06:18.000However, there is sometimes a philosophical direction that you want to see the event go or the movement go.
00:06:27.000Are you taking a stance that we need more of the Trump movement, less of the Trump movement, or to be determined or undecided?
00:06:34.000What are just some of the more philosophical underpinnings in the direction you're taking CPAC, which with it will be characterized as the direction of the conservative movement?
00:06:44.000I've tried over the last couple of years to really get the RNC and Republican Party entities to understand that they ought to partner a lot better with conservative groups like yours or ours.
00:06:57.000And, you know, this year, I actually don't feel it's the best time for that.
00:07:02.000I actually think this is the time where we need to understand that the Republican Party and the elephant is awfully important, but it's not the most important part of our coalition.
00:07:12.000The most important part of our coalition are the great forgotten men and women all over this country who came out and said, you know, I might not have been that involved in politics, but I really like what Donald Trump is saying.
00:07:30.000Since like the last four, five, six presidential elections, Donald Trump was able to do better with non-traditional Republican voters than all these other guys who said that Donald Trump would do worse with these voters.
00:07:44.000I want more people who wouldn't consider themselves a conservative or Republican, but feel like they believe with these foundational principles of our country.
00:08:07.000So it's about getting those voices, including small business people who've been shut down over this excess of the virus, giving them a voice.
00:08:16.000And we're going to do a lot more of that.
00:08:19.000So can you give us some insight into some of the speaker selection for this year?
00:08:24.000I'm guessing Mitt Romney was not invited.
00:08:28.000And so I know that was a controversy last year where you just said Mitt Romney is not welcome.
00:08:34.000Can you give us some preview of some of the people that you're planning to have?
00:08:38.000I don't think this is the year for those who believe that the president should be impeached once, twice, three times.
00:08:46.000I feel like the Republicans who fell for that trap aren't really able to understand what the Democrats and the socialists are doing politically, which is everything possible they can do to demonize Trump and demonize anybody who might like his policies or support Trump.
00:09:04.000And I really feel like this has nothing to do with morality or ethics or the law.
00:09:09.000It has everything to do with trying to destroy our political movement.
00:09:13.000And if Republicans don't get that, I just don't think this year they need to be given that microphone.
00:09:18.000I also think that we looked more carefully at a member's voting record.
00:09:23.000And we always have this 80% rule that Ronald Reagan said, you know, I view you as my 80% friend, not my 20% enemy.
00:09:31.000At 80% in schools, a C. I think a member should be able to get to that 80% if they call themselves a Republican, unless they're just truly just a liberal and or, you know, a moderate to liberal.
00:09:43.000So we were a little more careful with that.
00:09:45.000So, you know, we have the Devin Nunes was announced today.
00:09:55.000We don't believe Ted Cruz or Josh Hawley are insurrectionists that were calling for violence in simply questioning the election results.
00:10:03.000Charlie, you and I were together election night going back and forth on our Intel on your now home state of Arizona and these other important states.
00:10:11.000We're not shying away from the idea that what Stacey Abrams and Mark Elias and these people are trying to do is to make unregistered voting legal and to have illegal votes now be accepted in elections.
00:10:35.000So we're going to talk about that significantly at the conference.
00:10:38.000And the other thing I think you'd appreciate is we're going to talk about each of the Bill of Rights and why this socialist Democratic Party wants to dilute it, undermine it, eliminate it.
00:10:48.000They don't believe in these foundational documents or values in our society.
00:10:54.000And we have the proof both on the illegal voting and on the fact that they want to undermine the Bill of Rights.
00:10:59.000And we're going to soberly and carefully walk through it and you're going to help us do that.
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00:13:09.000I will say I don't use the word that the presidential election was stolen.
00:13:13.000I know other people like to use that term.
00:13:15.000I don't use that because that implies one person kind of picked our pocket when we weren't looking or broke into our house and stole our goods when we weren't there.
00:13:24.000This was a much publicized multi-year effort by Mark Elias and Perkins Cooey, top-notch lawyers, $1,000 an hour lawyers that came up with the fake Russian dossier and are basically operatives of the Democratic Party and their allies to change and to normalize illegal voting by making it about race, which just has nothing to do with race.
00:13:47.000If it had something to do with race, why did Donald Trump have historic levels of support from African-American voters and Hispanic voters?
00:13:54.000I'm obviously married to a Hispanic woman.
00:13:58.000Her family was overwhelmingly enthusiastic about President Trump.
00:14:01.000This election question has nothing at all to do with race.
00:14:06.000And by the way, as a Republican, I'm proud of what Republicans have done on the question of race and voting and the fact that we were the historic pusher of civil rights for everyone.
00:14:16.000So we got to get out of the defense of being on the defensive on these questions of civil rights.
00:14:21.000It's the Democratic Party that is associated with Jim Crow and stopping people from voting.
00:14:26.000But this is not about empowering black people to vote or people of color to vote.
00:14:32.000This is about woke, white, powerful liberals using race to divide us and to put illegal ballots, probably filled in illegally by white people, not people of color, in our nation's biggest cities, not allowing us to observe it and not allowing these roles to be properly updated and cleaned.
00:14:54.000In Nevada alone, Charlie, there was about 95,000 names that everyone knew that those people had died or moved.
00:15:02.000The election officials were under legal mandate to scrub those 95,000 names.
00:15:08.000They waited one day after the statutory deadline to request the state to clean the rolls, knowing that the state would say, you've already passed the deadline, so you can't clean those rolls.
00:16:17.000And so we scrambled to put legal teams together.
00:16:20.000And by that point, the judges took a dim view of the legal teams we had pulled together.
00:16:25.000The Democrats had the most expensive, most renowned lawyers in the country.
00:16:29.000And we had kind of a ragtag group of lawyers who were wonderfully patriotic, good people, but they weren't election law experts.
00:16:36.000And that meant the judges never really looked at the evidence.
00:16:39.000All of this went down in courtrooms all over the country.
00:16:42.000And I don't think it actually got the scrutiny it deserved.
00:16:46.000And for that reason, half this country believes that their vote was watered down, deluded, that the elect, there were a lot of questions around the election.
00:16:55.000And as an American, I know that we're not going to survive as a country if half the country questions the results of the last election.
00:17:02.000By the way, it was the Democrats who questioned the legitimacy of Donald Trump.
00:17:06.000Nancy Pelosi has tweets out there saying that we can't accept the election results of 2016.
00:17:12.000Nobody took her to task or said she was un-American for doing it.
00:17:15.000She had her free speech rights to do it.
00:17:17.000Thankfully, Bob Mueller, in a perverse way, proved that her Russian collusion fantasies weren't true.
00:17:24.000And so they should have accepted the results.
00:17:27.000But we're not un-American when we said there shouldn't be illegal ballots in the count.
00:17:32.000There were so many illegal ballots in the count.
00:17:34.000I know that in Nevada and Georgia, those results would have been flipped.
00:17:38.000By the way, David Perdue would have won before a runoff.
00:17:44.000The results of this illegal voting and the effort by Stacey Abrams and Mark Elias to undermine our democratic norms has essentially turned the country's power over to this Democrat socialist movement.
00:17:58.000Now is the time for Americans, not even Republicans and conservatives, just Americans who think cops aren't evil and the military isn't evil and it's okay to have a statue of Jesus without desecrating it.
00:18:09.000Those types of people, it's time for them to wake up because I believe that our coalition could take back in the House and the Senate in less than two years and change the dynamics of this country forever.
00:18:22.000I want to zero in on something you just said to ask for some more detail on that.
00:18:26.000We were told from the Trump campaign, and they told many donors, and I mean massive donors that I know and that you know, that they were ready for the legal fight of the century.
00:18:35.000They raised hundreds of millions of dollars in July, August, September, and October just for this purpose.
00:18:40.000This is a multi-billion dollar campaign.
00:18:45.000Are you trying to tell me that the best lawyers were not prepared for this, that there were not law firms engaged, ready to contest this the night of the election?
00:18:53.000The problem in Philadelphia is they could barely even get representation because they were trying to hire lawyers after the election.
00:19:03.000If you try to hire the best lawyers after you're already behind in a presidential election or a senate election, they are going to be less willing to take that client on because they will get cross-pressured.
00:19:17.000So in Pennsylvania, every time they hired a law firm, they were cross-pressured by corporate and other interests.
00:20:26.000But eventually a team was pulled together and there was a comms strategy that was pulled together and we barely pulled it out.
00:20:35.000We lost in court over and over again until we won in the most important court.
00:20:39.000And what happened in this case is we really never got a chance to properly explain all this information.
00:20:45.000So at CPAC, we're going to take the opportunity to explain to people the type of evidence that's out there, not because we think that we're going to, you know, change the election results of 2020.
00:21:02.000Are we ever going to win tough seats in states like Arizona ever again?
00:21:07.000Although Arizona had fewer problems than other states, much fewer.
00:21:10.000Are we ever going to win tough races in these purple states if we allow for thousands and thousands and thousands of illegal ballots to get in the count?
00:21:18.000Because Republican officials are too chicken to stand up to Stacey Abrams and her lawyers and say, you know what?
00:21:26.000We're all going to follow the laws and we're going to make sure everybody who wants to vote has a chance to vote once and legally.
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00:24:04.000But the way the system works, especially in hotly contested, high-threshold, high-stakes games, if you don't have the guys that have the right credibility, then you're going to get tossed out, especially if they're not working on these cases for weeks ahead of time.
00:25:09.000We had lawyers who had signed up to get on those planes.
00:25:12.000We put teams out there before Election Day.
00:25:15.000In 2004, in George W. Bush's reelection, I have Dan Schneider here, one of my colleagues at ACU, who you know well.
00:25:22.000He was put in the state of Ohio a month early as a volunteer lawyer to prepare for all the shenanigans that will happen in our nation's biggest cities.
00:25:32.000When I landed in the ground in Nevada, I had very prominent lawyers tell me that in 2020, they had just showed up literally right around the election, whereas in 2016, they were there three and four weeks early to prepare.
00:25:45.000So we just, I think the feeling was that we had the president really hit his stride at the end of the campaign, and he did.
00:25:53.000And all of us were out there really pushing as hard as we could.
00:25:56.000I was doing events through ACU and Battleground States.
00:26:26.000If we had spent the money that it took to have a legal strategy four years earlier, we could have prevented thousands and thousands and thousands of these ballots from getting into the count.
00:26:36.000And in a state like Nevada, where it's a 32,000 vote difference, it'll swing the outcome just by preventing these illegal packets of ballots.
00:26:44.000Philadelphia, there's a long tradition that they go through shenanigans for weeks and weeks and weeks around the election to try to do their big city politics.
00:26:52.000So the lesson out of this is we all have to hold our Republican entities to account for making sure that this type of thing never happens again.
00:27:03.000Or I'll make a promise to you: we will never put another conservative or constitutionalist on the Supreme Court because we can never win again if these are the new rules.
00:27:12.000Yeah, what you're saying is one of the most important things that I've heard.
00:27:14.000And you are going to add a lot of information right now to our base that's listening to this because they've been looking for answers.
00:27:26.000This is an uncomfortable answer, but I just believe with my experience, it's the only thing we can conclude, which is if we don't beat Mark Elias with our best lawyers against their best lawyers, all we want to do is have legal voters.
00:27:41.000Remember, they're the ones who are trying to break the norms of having.
00:27:44.000They have a harder threshold to defend.
00:28:28.000My guess is if you added up all the money they spent trying to make it easier to vote illegally in this country, my guess is it's tens of millions of dollars just with lawyers.
00:28:38.000And I think if you looked at our spend, I would be surprised to be a tenth of that.
00:28:58.000Listen to the people who have been through the trenches on this stuff instead of assuming that everybody who's done something before is an idiot.
00:29:06.000And what we have to do as a movement is embrace all of these people with this experience, including a lot of lawyers in courtrooms, and put our best team on the field.
00:29:15.000If we do that, I'm telling you, we're going to win back the House and the Senate.
00:29:48.000And for whatever reason, they got an angry call from their boss.
00:29:51.000It was, and I'm joking, half joking, he had control over the party through and through.
00:29:57.000And also, and he learned it from his father and Lee Atwater, you know, names that you're very familiar with that helped build the party and the movement.
00:30:05.000But that kind of infrastructure just always seemed to be lacking the last couple years of the Trump campaign and the Trump movement.
00:30:12.000And I think that they prided themselves on not having bureaucracy.
00:30:15.000I don't like bureaucracy, but there's a difference between having bureaucracy and infrastructure.
00:30:21.000If you're just a free-flowing movement of people, then when a real tough fight comes, you say, well, who's in charge of crisis comms and who's going to this state?
00:30:28.000And you're just deploying people all over the planet.
00:30:31.000And I'm glad they sent you to Nevada, but they should have had three Nevada law firms.
00:30:36.000They are like, I actually were ready for this.
00:31:48.000What I saw from what I saw, and not only on before election day and on election day, but after throughout that whole process, what I saw was contrary to that.
00:32:00.000So, in closing, here, Matt, you guys are ramping up for CPAC, and it really is going to be one of the most important events to people who are going to be looking for the future of the party.
00:32:48.000People feel desperation over the fact that, okay, sometimes you win races, sometimes you lose races.
00:32:54.000But in America, we don't take those we beat and put and try to put them in jail and take all their followers and try to get them not to have jobs.
00:33:02.000My wife's on an execution list, Charlie.
00:33:26.000This needs to be called out, and this needs to stop.
00:33:29.000So, like I said, we're going to spend a significant portion of our agenda talking about why voting is the fundamental right we have in a republic.
00:33:39.000If we can't vote and take confidence in that election, it undermines everything.
00:33:44.000But the other part of that is, as we know, God gives us rights.
00:33:51.000But we need to walk through why we have this Bill of Rights, how it is operational today, and what's the evidence that actually the socialists and the conservatives have at least a basic understanding of what it means.
00:34:07.000And we have to go back and remind people: quit being canceled, cowed, quit having your voice taken away, and quit being scared.
00:34:16.000If we quiver in the corner, like so many are doing, and I've done it too, they will take all of these rights away, not through constitutional amendments.
00:35:14.000And we really are glad that he's welcomed us and he welcomed you with open arms.
00:35:19.000And I'm sure we're going to have a lot of great new announcements of the speakers who are going to be there.
00:35:23.000But the best part of CPAC, and you know this with your events, are these great kids and these great people who come from all over the country and they love their country.
00:35:31.000Some of them are rich, some of them are poor, some of them are powerful, some of them aren't.
00:36:26.000And I think now with they're watching the show trial, as you call it, I think everyone's kind of been reminded that it took a certain kind of person to endure this crap for four years, all the lies, all the prosecutions, all this attempt to destroy and minimize him.
00:36:43.000And it takes that kind of fortitude to push back on this radicalized socialist agenda that we're seeing.
00:36:50.000And I think people would feel, I think it would give them a real boost to hear from their president.
00:36:55.000And I know Joe Biden is the current president, but from their former president, and I'd love to have him there.
00:37:27.000And a couple of knuckleheads went into the Capitol and did terrible things.
00:37:30.000And I think we ought to throw the book at them.
00:37:33.000But we shouldn't allow them to make the rest of us get on defense, including President Trump, who had nothing to do with this, or Josh Hawley or Ted Cruz.
00:37:41.000They shouldn't be on defense for the fact they simply wanted to raise questions of illegal voting.