The Charlie Kirk Show - September 29, 2021


Building the Criminal Case for Conspiracy Against the Deep State with Kash Patel


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Kash Patel, the man who revealed and unveiled the Russia Scandal, joins the Charlie Kirk Show to talk about his journey in uncovering the Russian Scandal and why he thinks people are going to get caught.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, my interview with Kash Patel, who is the man that revealed and unveiled the Russia scam.
00:00:08.000 It's an in-depth and detailed conversation, and quite honestly, one of my favorite conversations I've had recently with an exceedingly smart individual and patriotic person.
00:00:19.000 And we go through step-by-step of the Russian investigation.
00:00:23.000 If you've never heard of the Russian investigation before, you've probably heard of it, but you might not have cared.
00:00:27.000 This podcast is for you.
00:00:29.000 If you need a little brushing up on who all the characters were, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, this podcast is for you.
00:00:35.000 And if you think you know it all, you know all the characters, and in fact, you have a big board of all of it and the strings tied together.
00:00:42.000 This podcast is still for you because new information is shared of someone who is on the ground floor, dealt with Andrew McCabe, dealt with James Comey, understood what we are up against, and he makes some pretty bold predictions.
00:00:56.000 This podcast is an optimistic one.
00:00:59.000 Kash Patel thinks people are going to jail, and he explains why.
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00:02:48.000 Hey, everybody.
00:02:49.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:51.000 With us today is Kash Patel.
00:02:53.000 I think I've met him a couple times, but my goodness, everyone I respect speaks so favorably about this man and what he did for our country.
00:03:03.000 And I just think so many things were happening at once.
00:03:06.000 And then the virus happened.
00:03:08.000 We never really had a chance to sit down and talk.
00:03:10.000 But Cash, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:03:13.000 Charlie, thanks so much for having me on.
00:03:15.000 You got an amazing show and an amazing following.
00:03:17.000 And I'm really looking forward to chatting.
00:03:19.000 Well, thank you.
00:03:20.000 And so I appreciate that.
00:03:22.000 I want to dive into a couple of things.
00:03:23.000 I first want to make sure I plug this website because Cash is currently being targeted by the Democrats.
00:03:29.000 And I know Cash has to be careful the way he describes it, but he can say it however he wants, but I'll say it how I want to, because he was so effective in fighting for the president and quite honestly figuring out what was happening behind this entire Russia hoax that they're doing everything they can to try and issue subpoenas and what have you against Cash.
00:03:50.000 Cash, do you want to talk just a second about that so we can talk about the website?
00:03:53.000 We'll reference it throughout the discussion.
00:03:55.000 No, I appreciate that.
00:03:57.000 And look, long story short, as you know, Charlie, I was lead investigator for Chairman Nunes on the Russia Gate investigation, where we showed the world that the DNC and the Hillary Clinton paid for the dossier.
00:04:06.000 And worse than that, the FBI and DOJ lied to federal courts so they could spy on President Trump.
00:04:11.000 But exposing that, I thought, would be the service you signed up for when you signed up to serve.
00:04:16.000 But the media had, I guess, a different avenue in mind.
00:04:20.000 And basically, they started coming after me.
00:04:22.000 So, long story short, the personal attacks got very personal.
00:04:25.000 Then they just got straight up defamatory.
00:04:27.000 So I sued Politico, the New York Times, and CNN for defamation.
00:04:30.000 Wow.
00:04:31.000 And we're in the middle of those lawsuits now, but I was, and you know, you want to clear your name.
00:04:35.000 And so does Chairman Nunes want to clear his name.
00:04:37.000 But I was traveling with Chairman Nunes on his freedom tour this year.
00:04:40.000 And so many citizens came up to us and said, we've been defamed.
00:04:43.000 We've been de-platformed by big tech.
00:04:45.000 We don't have the means to do it.
00:04:46.000 We don't know the lawyers to call to get into court.
00:04:49.000 So I started fightwithcash.com with a K. 0.94
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00:04:56.000 I'm going to pay for your lawyers.
00:04:58.000 You need a day in court just like I do.
00:04:59.000 It shouldn't be denied to anybody because you don't have the funds to do it or don't know the right lawyers.
00:05:03.000 So anyone that was defamed or deplatformed, you can check it out on fightwithcash.com.
00:05:07.000 We're raising money.
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00:05:17.000 It's about time we start to play offense.
00:05:19.000 So let's get, let's just start there.
00:05:21.000 So you worked for Devin Nunez, who was basically a Lone Ranger.
00:05:25.000 House Republican leadership at the time wanted nothing to do with this.
00:05:28.000 In fact, Paul Ryan and the Republicans were the ones that were pushing for Bob Mueller's appointment and were kind of believing all of this Russian nonsense.
00:05:38.000 Just kind of go back in time and remind us of the timeline and the drama and the intrigue that led up to what you and Devin were able to discover while you were while you were working for him.
00:05:53.000 Yeah, let me see if I could stage this right.
00:05:54.000 So I'm not going to use any political party affiliations just to sort of display the magnitude of what I think happened.
00:06:00.000 Picture in 2016, the United States presidential election is going on and one presidential campaign unlawfully and impermissibly obtains false information from people overseas.
00:06:12.000 And they take that information knowing it to be false and stuff it through the media and the left and the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Justice just to get fraudulent search warrants on their opponent, a president for the United States of America.
00:06:28.000 And that's what they did.
00:06:30.000 And I think it would have gotten a lot more attention if it was the Republican campaign doing it to the Democrats.
00:06:35.000 But since it was the Hillary Clinton campaign who paid tens of millions of dollars through their lawyers to funnel it and hide it, then they had their lawyers go to the FBI and DOJ and other agencies to say, we've got great dirt.
00:06:47.000 We paid this guy, Christopher Steele, and these other actors.
00:06:49.000 We're going to plant these false narratives in the media.
00:06:52.000 Then we're going to go to the FISA court.
00:06:54.000 And for those that don't know it, it's basically the most secret court we have to conduct the most surreptitious surveillance that we can conduct.
00:07:01.000 And I use that all the time when I was a national security prosecutor.
00:07:04.000 It's a righteous court.
00:07:05.000 But when you commit a fraud on that court just to surveil a presidential campaign like they did against President Trump, that's the crux of what we're talking about.
00:07:13.000 And we, you know, fortunately, we had a great leader in Chairman Nunes, and I was fortunate to spearhead that team and follow the money and basically show that Hillary paid for it.
00:07:22.000 And then if that weren't bad enough, we were able to show the perpetrators, the crooks like the Comeys, the McCabes, Peter Strzoks of the world, perpetrated a fraud on a federal judge just so they can listen in on a presidential election campaign and later president, if you believe.
00:07:38.000 So let me ask you a question that you might have received before, but I've never heard answered.
00:07:43.000 Do you think they think this was all worth it?
00:07:46.000 And that's an interesting question.
00:07:47.000 Yeah.
00:07:48.000 So tell me why.
00:07:49.000 Yeah.
00:07:49.000 So, if you were, and we work to unearth a lot of these text messages for some of your viewers that might not be familiar with it, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page having an affair, running the FBI investigation into President Trump, lead lawyer, lead agent.
00:08:02.000 It's almost something you can't even fictionalize, but this is what's happening.
00:08:05.000 And these guys are sending countless messages during the election cycle in 2016 saying they are going to stop President Trump from becoming president.
00:08:14.000 That's their own words, not mine, in text now available that Devin Nunes and I were able to put out and declassify.
00:08:20.000 So they thought we're saving America because they think that a duly elected president shouldn't become president and they think they know better.
00:08:28.000 And that's how bad it was.
00:08:30.000 And I think you've seen it, but a great summary of it for your viewers is the movie The Plot Against the President.
00:08:35.000 It's a really visually stimulating film that summarizes in 90 minutes everything Chairman Nunes and I and we took on and folks like you took on.
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00:10:26.000 So just remind our listeners, you've mentioned it very quickly, but we have a lot of younger listeners that quite honestly weren't that involved in politics when this was unfolding.
00:10:34.000 So just kind of walk us through that again, the significance, the unprecedented nature of this, the Chuck Schumer, like passive aggressive warning sign in January of 17 on Rachel Maddow's show, right?
00:10:46.000 The Donald Trump accurately saying that I'm being spied on and people laughing at him.
00:10:52.000 Walk us through the timeline of all this.
00:10:54.000 I think it would be helpful as I get to the topic I really want to zero in on, which is Durham.
00:10:59.000 Yeah, sure.
00:11:00.000 So look, these investigations, and as a former federal prosecutor who did national security cases, you know, these things take time.
00:11:06.000 You have to get approvals from down below in the bowels of the Justice Department through the Attorney General if you're going to go surveill someone of this magnitude.
00:11:15.000 And that's for your younger viewers.
00:11:17.000 A search warrant is a search warrant.
00:11:18.000 If you're looking at, if you're looking at a bank robber or suspected murderer, you have to go before a federal judge and you got to say, Judge, I think this guy committed this crime.
00:11:27.000 We need to go and look at his bank records, his telephone records, his emails, his phone calls, because we think he killed somebody or because we think he robbed a bank.
00:11:36.000 And if there's probable cause, the judge grants it.
00:11:38.000 Same thing in this instance.
00:11:40.000 It's just a different federal court that deals with spying.
00:11:43.000 And basically what the Hillary Clinton campaign did was they spent tens of millions of dollars to collect false information from this guy, Christopher Steele, who used to be a British intelligence asset, if you can believe it, later turned FBI informant.
00:11:59.000 I mean, you can't even make this stuff.
00:12:01.000 Let me ask you, I never understood this.
00:12:02.000 Where the heck did those tens of millions, how on earth did they spend tens of millions of dollars?
00:12:06.000 I've never, never understood that.
00:12:09.000 Sure.
00:12:10.000 So one of the neat things that we were able to do on House Intel, even though Paul Ryan didn't want us to do it, was subpoena of the bank records for this company called Fusion GPS and Glenn Simpson.
00:12:20.000 And they were funneling the money through Perkins Cooey, which is the Democratic law firm.
00:12:24.000 That's what they do.
00:12:25.000 Their job is to be the representatives for the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign.
00:12:30.000 So those guys get paid tens of millions of dollars.
00:12:32.000 Money goes into the law firm.
00:12:34.000 The law firm then cuts checks to Fusion GPS for millions of dollars.
00:12:38.000 And they go and hire media representatives, Christopher Steele, to start putting on false smear campaigns against President Trump.
00:12:44.000 So they're working the intelligence apparatus in one lane and the media apparatus in another to take on a presidential elect a presidential candidate, excuse me, and later a president.
00:12:55.000 So continue on.
00:12:55.000 You said that they gave tens of millions of dollars.
00:12:57.000 I interrupted you to just continue through the line of the story.
00:13:01.000 Yeah.
00:13:02.000 So basically, you would think for your viewers, you know, this happens in banana republics, not in America, not in 2016, not in 2020. 0.62
00:13:10.000 But they take the money that, you know, people go out and campaign so hard for to elect a president.
00:13:16.000 And instead of saying, putting out signs, getting out the word to vote, securing voting and things like that, they're saying, no, no, no, let's call the media and let's seed stories in the media that we know we, the FBI, Fusion GPS, and Christopher Steele and DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign know are bogus, but it's candidate Trump then.
00:13:36.000 So they're likely to go with it because the media hated him before he was elected.
00:13:40.000 And then while we're taking him out in the media, we're going to secretly go and have our lead lawyer, and we'll talk about this suspin, go to the FBI's lead lawyer and say, oh, I'm just being a good Samaritan.
00:13:53.000 I was paid tens of millions of dollars by the Hillary Clinton campaign to collect all this information.
00:13:58.000 I think you should have a look.
00:13:59.000 And then that lawyer takes it and executes a search warrant against President Trump's campaign.
00:14:04.000 The FBI.
00:14:05.000 That's how bad it is.
00:14:05.000 But didn't the FBI have to go through a FISA court?
00:14:10.000 Yeah, you're spot on.
00:14:12.000 I cut out a few steps.
00:14:13.000 So what happens there is with any search warrant, especially when you're talking about the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which is a FISA search warrant, the information has to come in.
00:14:23.000 And I've done this, and it's reams of material.
00:14:25.000 You have to get probably 20 different approvals before you can even walk into the FISA court to say to a judge, hey, I need probably, I have probable cause.
00:14:33.000 I need a very invasive search warrant against then candidate Trump's campaign.
00:14:39.000 And so the FBI lawyer takes it, gives it to his agents, gives it to the director of the FBI, James Comey.
00:14:44.000 He signs it.
00:14:44.000 He's got to walk it over to the DOJ.
00:14:46.000 The attorney general himself has to sign that warrant.
00:14:50.000 So the Democratically elected president's attorney general is signing off on a search warrant for their opponent's campaign.
00:14:58.000 Then they go to the Fisk.
00:14:59.000 And it would be one thing, Charlie.
00:15:01.000 That was Loretta Lynch at the time, right?
00:15:04.000 Yeah, you're spot on it.
00:15:05.000 It was Loretta Lynch.
00:15:06.000 And it would be one thing, Charlie, if there was criminal conduct afoot.
00:15:10.000 As a former prosecutor, I can understand that that's what you would want to do.
00:15:14.000 What they did, though, what Comey did, what McCabe did and what the DOJ did was falsely mislead a FISA court.
00:15:21.000 And we've now proven that in the Nunes memo, it's in the movie Plot Against the President, and it's in the documents we've released since.
00:15:28.000 They knew that information was bogus.
00:15:30.000 They said, no one's going to catch us.
00:15:32.000 We're going to go up on a surveillance warrant anyway.
00:15:34.000 And so they went through that process.
00:15:37.000 And so they spied on Trump and more specifically on his campaign, which is where Carter Page comes in, right?
00:15:46.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:15:47.000 And so basically, look at it this way.
00:15:51.000 When we were doing gangs prosecutions or criminal conspiracies, you target the weakest link.
00:15:55.000 You target the guy that you can get a search warrant on.
00:15:58.000 Because once you have that search warrant, in this case, Carter Page, you can listen to everybody he's talking to.
00:16:03.000 You can get all the emails that he's sending to them and they're sending to him.
00:16:06.000 So you don't necessarily have to be the number one target.
00:16:09.000 But these search warrants are different because you're not giving notification to the searched, correct?
00:16:19.000 Right.
00:16:19.000 Which is an unusual type of warrant.
00:16:22.000 Oh, it's very invasive.
00:16:24.000 It's very different.
00:16:25.000 That's why it goes through a different approval process within the FBI and DOJ because it's so invasive that we're basically what I used them for was to go up and spy on terrorists that we were trying to either take out or arrest.
00:16:38.000 I mean, that's the purpose of this tool.
00:16:40.000 And they used it on a presidential campaign.
00:16:42.000 So just to give you a little side by side of what they were doing with that.
00:16:46.000 And here's the other thing.
00:16:47.000 They didn't just do it once.
00:16:49.000 They did it four times into President Trump being president.
00:16:54.000 That means his own attorney general, Rob Rosenstein at the time, signed off on a warrant to spy on that president, even though the information was bogus.
00:17:03.000 And that's when Jeff Sessions recused himself or whatever, right?
00:17:06.000 Because he was just unwilling or unable to get involved at all in that.
00:17:13.000 So where did it go wrong for them?
00:17:17.000 Where did this start to fall apart?
00:17:20.000 Because I can't imagine.
00:17:22.000 So they're just I'm just starting to understand kind of what their thought process was.
00:17:29.000 They spied on Trump and Carter Page.
00:17:31.000 The intelligence apparatus started to get all this information.
00:17:34.000 At some point, were they like, there's really nothing here?
00:17:37.000 Are we too exposed?
00:17:39.000 Where did all of a sudden their criminal conspiracy start to fall apart?
00:17:44.000 Well, enter Chairman Nunes, right?
00:17:47.000 And the leader of the investigation into RussiaGate or the Russian active measure, right?
00:17:52.000 And he brought me on then to investigate this stuff with my background as an investigator and in the intelligence community.
00:17:58.000 And I said to Devin at the time, I said, look, we got to do two things.
00:18:02.000 You follow the money.
00:18:02.000 So let's get bank records.
00:18:04.000 Somebody's paying for this stuff.
00:18:05.000 And the other thing with search warrants, I said, you don't have to be a lawyer to figure this out.
00:18:09.000 If they have an informant, go get the informant files and see if that guy's credible.
00:18:14.000 How much is he getting paid?
00:18:15.000 Did he lie?
00:18:16.000 Does he know the candidate?
00:18:18.000 Does he know President Trump?
00:18:19.000 Does he hate him?
00:18:20.000 All that information is stored somewhere.
00:18:22.000 So we started to attack those avenues together, the money, which we now know where it came from, and the credibility of Kristen Steele.
00:18:29.000 So let me ask you, though, and I just don't remember, what was the impetus for Devin to start caring about this?
00:18:36.000 Did someone, was there a whistleblower in the FBI?
00:18:38.000 Were we starting to get suspicion?
00:18:40.000 I don't quite remember that.
00:18:42.000 Yeah, sure.
00:18:43.000 So if you're around, if you remember when the Steele dossier first was leaked by the media in January of 17.
00:18:51.000 That's by BuzzFeed or whatever, right?
00:18:53.000 BuzzFeed or something.
00:18:54.000 That coupled with the, in December of the, of the classified leaks of the Mike Flynn phone calls, right?
00:19:01.000 Yes, with those Russian ambassador, sure.
00:19:03.000 Exactly.
00:19:04.000 So those two events together caused a Republican-led Congress at the time.
00:19:07.000 The Republicans had the majority.
00:19:09.000 And they said, we need to do an investigation into the unlawful unmaskings and also this steel dossier stuff.
00:19:16.000 It started to come together.
00:19:18.000 And that's when it was basically, okay, in the spring of 17, they said, we're going to launch an investigation.
00:19:23.000 You guys need to create a team to do so.
00:19:25.000 And Devin was charged with that since he was the chair of House Intel.
00:19:29.000 So there was a lot of intelligence stuff and it seemed to be a good fit to go there.
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00:21:08.000 And so you guys start looking into this, and then Bob Mueller comes onto the scene in the spring of 17 after President Trump fires Comey, right?
00:21:18.000 And Paul Ryan and too many Republicans agreed to put Mueller on, all under this cloud of the multi.
00:21:25.000 What you're trying to tell me is the millions of dollars that Hillary Clinton pumped through was also maybe used to sweeten some journalists to write stories about this Russia thing, potentially, right?
00:21:37.000 I mean, this story was so totally artificial that then we got Bob Mueller out of.
00:21:44.000 Yeah.
00:21:44.000 And I would go one step further.
00:21:46.000 It's not even potentially.
00:21:48.000 It happened.
00:21:48.000 Look, we took 60 depositions under Chairman Nunes under oath.
00:21:52.000 They're all public now.
00:21:53.000 Adam Schiff didn't want them out, but Rick Brunnell and I declassified them two years later and we put them out.
00:21:58.000 They're online.
00:21:59.000 You can read the Sussman deposition that I took that's cited in the Durham indictment that says he was talking to members of the media at the behest of a client.
00:22:07.000 The client being the DNC, Fusion GPS doing the same thing, taking the same false dirt and going to media and saying, you guys got to put this story out.
00:22:16.000 And then here's the kicker.
00:22:18.000 Hillary Clinton and Jake Sullivan come in and tweet out information as if they've never heard of it before and say, look, President Trump has a secret back channel to Russia, if you remember this stuff, in the fall of 16.
00:22:29.000 And they were the ones paying for it.
00:22:31.000 They were the ones pretending to know nothing about it.
00:22:34.000 And then they had a willing media.
00:22:35.000 This is the stuff that mobs do, literally.
00:22:37.000 I mean, this is a mob cake.
00:22:40.000 It really is.
00:22:41.000 So let's now get to the present day.
00:22:43.000 That kind of sets the table.
00:22:45.000 You have been one of the few people that has been bullish.
00:22:48.000 Maybe I'm seeing it wrong on Durham and kind of how this is proceeding.
00:22:54.000 Talk about the indictment of Sussman and what you think that might lead to.
00:22:59.000 Yeah.
00:22:59.000 And let me just set the table real quick.
00:23:02.000 When I was running large-scale conspiracies or prosecutions, Charlie, these are cases that took me two, three, four years to conduct and to get to an indictment because that's just the amount of work that it takes.
00:23:14.000 Durham's on basically year two, and he's already issued two indictments.
00:23:18.000 I know that might not seem like a lot for people who aren't familiar with the criminal justice system, but that's moving pretty quickly for DOJ.
00:23:24.000 Not to mention, this is the biggest political scandal in U.S. history.
00:23:29.000 So he's taking his time.
00:23:31.000 Now, turning to the Sussman indictment, Sussman was the lawyer for the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC.
00:23:38.000 What Durham alleges in his indictment is that Michael Sussman lied to the FBI.
00:23:44.000 And usually that's a pretty short indictment.
00:23:46.000 That's a two to three pager.
00:23:48.000 I used to do them all the time.
00:23:49.000 He wrote a 27-page indictment.
00:23:51.000 And as you said, basically laying out a mob conspiracy.
00:23:55.000 He went so far as to put all this information in the public view because I believe it's what I would have done.
00:24:00.000 He knows there's more individuals involved in this conspiracy.
00:24:04.000 Michael Sussman wasn't the only player.
00:24:06.000 So do you think this is Durham going after the bagman to possibly get to somebody else?
00:24:12.000 Is this part of the strategy?
00:24:14.000 Yeah, you don't even have to be a lawyer to figure that one out for all your viewers.
00:24:18.000 Like you go after the easy target, you go after the case you can make.
00:24:22.000 And then when that guy's facing a federal prison sentence of five years, he's probably going to flip and say, I don't want to go to jail.
00:24:29.000 Not for anybody, not for Hillary Clinton or anyone.
00:24:31.000 I got a family.
00:24:32.000 I'm not going to prison.
00:24:33.000 And that guy starts turning information against, as we say, you flip up.
00:24:37.000 You get to the bigger fish by going up the ladder.
00:24:40.000 And I think that's what Durham is building here because he identified eight people, not by name in the indictment, but I can tell you who they are in that indictment because he wants the world to know Michael Sussman worked with all these people, got paid by all these people, and was dishonest to the FBI.
00:24:57.000 That's the kicker.
00:24:58.000 And the deposition he cites in the Sussman indictment is the one I took of Michael Sussman in 2017.
00:25:05.000 Personally, what do you mean he identified eight people?
00:25:07.000 Were they redacted or what do you mean?
00:25:10.000 Yeah.
00:25:10.000 So if you look at the indictment, the practice is you don't put people's name in there if they're not charged.
00:25:15.000 So it's like researcher number one, media company number two, things like that, generic labels, lawyer number two.
00:25:23.000 And I can tell you what I believe.
00:25:24.000 Lawyer number two is Mark Elias, I believe, Sussman's partner at the law firm who ran the entire DNC Hillary Clinton campaign stuff.
00:25:32.000 Media company is, I believe, Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson's operation that funneled this nonsense by getting paid from the DNC to the media.
00:25:42.000 And then the research companies are less important, but what is important is what they say in the indictment.
00:25:47.000 And this is what the guys who did the research said.
00:25:50.000 They said, our information that you want us to say is true, we don't think it's true.
00:25:56.000 And if you say it, you're basically committing a fraud.
00:25:59.000 That's how bad it is.
00:26:00.000 That's so helpful.
00:26:01.000 So I see this in two different categories.
00:26:04.000 I see this as the Hillary Clinton world, the Sussman. 0.87
00:26:08.000 And I don't know what to expect out of that.
00:26:10.000 I would hope to see Glenn Simpson and all them held accountable.
00:26:13.000 But the one that terrifies me more that I am very pessimistic is the abuse of government power is struck.
00:26:21.000 Paige, Comey, is there anything in the indictment to show that Durham is also focused on federal agents that broke the law?
00:26:32.000 I think so.
00:26:33.000 And because he cites James Baker so extensively, remember, there's, I don't know, 50, 100,000 people who work for the FBI, right?
00:26:41.000 James Baker isn't a lawyer in the FBI.
00:26:43.000 He's the lawyer.
00:26:44.000 He's the number one guy.
00:26:46.000 And Michael Sussman, if you and I tried to get an appointment with the FBI's general counsel, they'd laugh us out of the building and probably take seven years just to try to get a call back.
00:26:54.000 This guy put in one phone call to his buddy and walked right into the building and then pretended to be a good Samaritan and said, I'm not here on behalf of any client.
00:27:03.000 I'm just here because I've got these reports on Trump Russia's servers.
00:27:06.000 Please do something with them.
00:27:08.000 When I questioned him four years ago, he admitted he was working at the behest of a client.
00:27:14.000 And what Durham did brilliantly was identify the payment records, which show repeatedly Michael Sussman was doing that research for the Clinton campaign, which is where he got in trouble in the allegations in the indictment.
00:27:28.000 Yeah, go ahead.
00:27:28.000 No, please.
00:27:29.000 Sorry.
00:27:30.000 No, to your point about Strzok and Paige and McCabe and Comey, I agree.
00:27:34.000 What ticks America off more than anyone is the lack of accountability for those who think the government exists to serve them.
00:27:40.000 And that's these people.
00:27:41.000 And I do think he's going after them because of the way the indictment's laid out.
00:27:45.000 Sussman couldn't do this alone.
00:27:47.000 Baker couldn't do this alone.
00:27:48.000 And the only people that were involved in this investigation at that level were the ones you cited.
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00:28:56.000 And so here's, I suppose this is up for Durham to figure out, but at some point, there had to be a back channel, a wink and a nod, or somewhere something, it could have been Sussman, where this plan was hatched, where no one was taken by surprise by this, where the FBI knew that this was incoming, that this dossier was being created and concocted, that they were going to bring it in front of a judge, the FISA court judge.
00:29:21.000 There was like a triangulation, which would mean, based on what you're saying, a private, public, private government collusion, the likes of which I can't even think of an example of this.
00:29:34.000 I mean, there isn't one.
00:29:36.000 Where you have private, and by the way, it's what a perfect picture of where the country actually is, where you have private Goldman Sachs getting whatever they want from the Treasury Department, right?
00:29:45.000 I mean, it's a perfect example of like, yeah, of where we are as a country.
00:29:49.000 No, I think you're spot on.
00:29:50.000 And look, your assessment is actually, you've said it better than I think I ever have before.
00:29:55.000 So I might steal some of your lingo going forward.
00:29:58.000 But you're right.
00:30:00.000 The United States government teamed up with a political party and the mainstream media, not only to peddle a false narrative, but to take down a presidential candidate.
00:30:10.000 Can you just hit pause on that for a second?
00:30:13.000 And the political campaign paid the U.S. government to do so.
00:30:17.000 It's insane.
00:30:18.000 It's not even a mob indictment.
00:30:20.000 It's like if you wanted to rewrite The Departed to be this movie, you couldn't do it because it's so insane.
00:30:25.000 No, it would be not just indicting the mob.
00:30:29.000 It's also indicting the police commissioner and the local bureau chief and like everyone who's in charge, right?
00:30:36.000 This is, I don't, they'd have to just, I don't know if there's, I'm sure there's criminal code that deals with this.
00:30:43.000 So talk about how, and this is where my frustration is, right? 0.93
00:30:47.000 Where I have to, I walk through our production room every so often and they have CNN because they're gluttons for punishment on mute.
00:30:54.000 And Andrew McCabe is on every so often running his mouth, who of all the people I think who I just really believe he was in on it, it would be Andrew McCabe.
00:31:04.000 Talk about the person of Andrew McCabe.
00:31:07.000 Talk about how he squeaked out of this so far cleanly.
00:31:11.000 He's now a lecturer at some school, isn't he?
00:31:13.000 Connor?
00:31:14.000 He's a lecturer at Georgetown or something, whatever.
00:31:16.000 Talk about McCabe and how he was probably involved in this. 0.98
00:31:19.000 Man, I wish we had you on the New Nest team because you're saying everything I was saying and people are like, Cash, you're crazy.
00:31:25.000 And remember, I knew Andy McCabe from my DOJ days.
00:31:27.000 No, I didn't.
00:31:27.000 And when I called him.
00:31:28.000 I can see it in his eyes, man.
00:31:29.000 Sorry, go ahead.
00:31:30.000 Yeah, no, when I called him out back then about masterminding this thing, remember, this is the guy, yes.
00:31:36.000 And again, the text messages are public.
00:31:38.000 They hatched an insurance policy, Strzok and Page, Lisa Page, an insurance policy in Andy McCabe's office to prevent then-candidate Trump from winning.
00:31:46.000 This is the deputy director of the FBI and company hatching a plan to stop a presidential candidate, not because of good information, but because of bogus information.
00:31:56.000 So I agree.
00:31:56.000 I'm as ticked off as you are as Andy McCabe is.
00:31:58.000 But here's the thing: if you're if your viewers read nothing else and they don't want to rely on our report from or the Nunes memo or any of that stuff, read the summary of the IG report.
00:32:09.000 The inspector general came in after we uncovered all of this information and said, Okay, I'm going to interview Andy McCabe.
00:32:16.000 And the inspector general came in and said, Andy McCabe lied to the U.S. government during his investigation about his involvement with Russia Gate.
00:32:26.000 That's what the independent inspector general said.
00:32:28.000 Not the Democrats, not the Republicans, but him.
00:32:31.000 And Andy McCabe's deposition is available for everyone to read. 0.91
00:32:34.000 So I do hope that Durham's targeting him, but I understand why the evidence is going to be very tough to get him because he's not stupid, but he got caught once lying.
00:32:44.000 So his credibility for me is already shot.
00:32:48.000 And hopefully they're catching him.
00:32:50.000 Well, if you're on the left and you lie under oath, you just kind of get away with it.
00:32:55.000 Procedural crimes and process crimes on our side, they go after it harshly.
00:32:59.000 And so then we have James Comey, who he illegally leaked information to the press, if I'm not mistaken, or at least unethically.
00:33:08.000 I don't know if it actually broke the law.
00:33:09.000 I think it did, but you could tell me.
00:33:11.000 And is Comey going to get leaked looped into this?
00:33:15.000 Or that would be rather extraordinary if Durham did that.
00:33:19.000 And I think rather unlikely.
00:33:21.000 Yeah, I got to, unfortunately, I got to agree with you on that one.
00:33:24.000 I don't know that, you know, and Comey, as long as I've known him, and this is the one thing people have to understand, he, and I hate to admit it, but he's one of the smartest guys around.
00:33:34.000 He's no dummy, and he's very politically savvy, and he has the biggest ego on planet Earth.
00:33:39.000 So he's not going to leave a trail where you can find his breadcrumbs to connect to the Russiagate scandal.
00:33:45.000 And he's already tried to distance himself from his deputy, McCabe, and Lisa Page and Peter Strzok and all those guys.
00:33:51.000 But you're right.
00:33:52.000 I believe on the memos, or if you remember the Comey memos, the four memos he leaked himself, which I believe contain classified information, he can be brought up on charges for that.
00:34:02.000 Won't happen.
00:34:02.000 I agree with you, but it won't happen.
00:34:04.000 Yeah, it won't happen.
00:34:05.000 So, and then you have Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, the lovers.
00:34:08.000 Peter Strzok was allegedly the best spy catcher or whatever.
00:34:12.000 You know, they had this ridiculous bio for him.
00:34:16.000 And so, not we have all their text messages thanks to you and your hard work.
00:34:23.000 What are they a potential, or are they also in the untouchable class?
00:34:28.000 No, they're definitely a potential.
00:34:29.000 And here's what I'll tell you: if I were their lawyers, what I would be doing is have I would have been cooperating with the Durham investigation for the last 18 months if I was those two, if I was Lisa Page and Peter Strzzok.
00:34:39.000 That would be the smart play.
00:34:41.000 And I think, I believe they actually are because of the information Durham released in this indictment.
00:34:47.000 So, that potentially they are actively helping for some sort of a deal or whatever to try and give a carve-out for them to not go to jail.
00:34:56.000 Exactly.
00:34:57.000 That's what I believe.
00:34:59.000 And they might not get, if they successfully cooperate, then they don't get dinged as hard, but it's a trade-off.
00:35:05.000 You know, do you want to get the other guys or do you want to stop at the roadside?
00:35:10.000 Well, a conspiracy charge is interesting, though, Cash.
00:35:13.000 So, I want to ask you about this, and this is the obvious question that everyone's thinking.
00:35:18.000 And I'm somewhat cynical on this, but it's worth asking.
00:35:21.000 If Durham lays it out correctly and properly, a conspiracy charge, you can use, you know, the criminal statute better than I can.
00:35:31.000 I do, but they could loop in the top levels of the campaign then as well.
00:35:37.000 Is that correct?
00:35:38.000 Absolutely.
00:35:39.000 They could loop in anybody.
00:35:40.000 They can loop him in as an unindicted co-conspirator, co-conspirator, just say, hey, we don't have enough information to bring you to court, but we've got enough to allege that we think you did bad stuff.
00:35:50.000 Then you could also bring in the actual conspirators that you can prove and cite and name those guys.
00:35:55.000 That's when it gets really interesting.
00:35:56.000 So that's the key to this indictment, the sussmin indictment. 0.76
00:35:59.000 It's basically a conspiracy layout.
00:36:02.000 He's laid out eight different players, major players in this indictment, and he hasn't charged a conspiracy yet.
00:36:09.000 He's setting the table to do so, I believe.
00:36:12.000 And so that's why I think this indictment is truly important.
00:36:15.000 And the people you're talking about, I know were involved in this conspiracy to commit fraud on a FISA court and wrongfully go up on a presidential candidate.
00:36:24.000 And I think Durham's hip to that.
00:36:26.000 Well, I think that there's people that want to say, is Obama going to looped in Hillary?
00:36:30.000 Very unlikely, right?
00:36:31.000 No, that's I don't waste your time.
00:36:33.000 That's, you know, that's a pipe dream.
00:36:35.000 We're not going to get there.
00:36:36.000 So, yeah, in the couple minutes we have remaining, what are the biggest things you've personally learned throughout this entire process about our government, about process, or just lessons for life?
00:36:47.000 Because you have, I mean, you've been battle-hardened by this.
00:36:51.000 So, look, I was fortunate to go on into the Trump administration.
00:36:54.000 I ran counterterrorism for him.
00:36:56.000 I was one of his top intelligence community officers.
00:36:58.000 And then I finished off at chief of staff at DOD running the Department of Defense for him.
00:37:03.000 And here's what I learned: for President Trump and for the people that he installed for the most part, the mission mattered more than anything else.
00:37:13.000 We didn't care about our name.
00:37:14.000 We didn't care what the media said about us.
00:37:16.000 We cared about what the president was elected to do.
00:37:19.000 And if you really want to serve, I know I can at least call out 12 guys and gals that I served with that served the president the way he should have been served.
00:37:29.000 They ended the forever wars.
00:37:30.000 They protected our border.
00:37:31.000 They got us a great economy.
00:37:32.000 They got us a COVID vaccine in six months.
00:37:35.000 Mind you, polio took seven years.
00:37:37.000 And we distributed it to the U.S. and the world.
00:37:39.000 Those are just a few examples.
00:37:40.000 But it doesn't matter how right you are if you work for President Trump.
00:37:44.000 That's the thing I learned the most.
00:37:45.000 The media doesn't care.
00:37:47.000 And Afghanistan is the, and I know we don't have time to talk about it, but it's the prime example. 0.99
00:37:51.000 We had a conditions-based withdrawal that I executed under President Trump where we lost zero service members.
00:37:57.000 Zero.
00:37:58.000 Biden comes in and his national security apparatus says we're going to do the opposite because Trump did it.
00:38:03.000 It didn't matter if it seceded.
00:38:05.000 Not only did we lose 13 service members and 13 caskets came home with American flags on them, but they took a drone strike and killed seven children in Afghanistan.
00:38:14.000 And they hid that from the United States.
00:38:16.000 And that's the thing that I think ticks off America the most.
00:38:18.000 And that's the thing that I learned the most that unfortunately there are still people out there who, like Millie and Austin, and Blinken, who will politicize the national security apparatus of the United States.
00:38:30.000 And that's the one thing we never did under President Trump.
00:38:33.000 We never did it.
00:38:33.000 We put the mission first.
00:38:35.000 I want to ask you about our government.
00:38:37.000 People ask me all the time about the deep state, and we've been talking about it pretty clearly.
00:38:41.000 We haven't identified it.
00:38:43.000 How real is it?
00:38:44.000 And what could potentially be done in future administrations to actually put a check and balance on the fourth branch of government?
00:38:53.000 Yeah.
00:38:53.000 So look, I've been in government.
00:38:55.000 I was in government for 16 years.
00:38:57.000 The overwhelming majority of people who sign up to serve are great.
00:39:00.000 But there's always going to be a bad few when you have millions of people working for the U.S. government.
00:39:04.000 It's just too big of a group, right?
00:39:06.000 So how do you fix it?
00:39:07.000 How do you address it?
00:39:08.000 Simple.
00:39:09.000 Personnel.
00:39:10.000 You got to get the personnel right.
00:39:11.000 And I don't just mean the cabinet secretaries.
00:39:13.000 I'm not just talking sex, state, sec, deaf, and all that.
00:39:16.000 Your undersecretaries, your deputies, your chiefs of staff.
00:39:18.000 And look, Charlie, you know this as well as I do.
00:39:20.000 We have that bench.
00:39:22.000 We just didn't identify him and put him in place in 2016.
00:39:25.000 Yeah, there was a big problem with the blue book and Chris Christie.
00:39:28.000 The whole thing was a mess.
00:39:29.000 It was a circus.
00:39:30.000 But yeah, it was.
00:39:30.000 So that's how you fixed it.
00:39:31.000 It's doable.
00:39:32.000 And hopefully in 2024, you and I are going in to go after it and fix it.
00:39:37.000 I won't be, I'll be cheering you on from afar.
00:39:40.000 I'll be nicely hosting radio from Phoenix, and you can make personnel is policy, as the great Morton Blackwell would say many times, which is true.
00:39:50.000 Who you have in these positions really matter.
00:39:52.000 So, Cash, you mentioned it earlier, and I'm sure our audience is impressed with how you've laid all this out.
00:39:57.000 Just be specific on how the media lied about you and how you're fighting back with fightwithcash.com.
00:40:05.000 Sure.
00:40:05.000 So, the crux of the matter is, and you can read all about it in depth on the website, but they basically called me, and the pleadings are public in all these cases, so you guys, everybody can see them.
00:40:15.000 They basically call me Trump's Ukraine whisperer.
00:40:18.000 Like, I was secretly meeting with President Trump and telling him stuff about the Ukraine.
00:40:23.000 It's hilarious because it never happened.
00:40:25.000 And the people that said they saw me doing this admitted in public to saying they've never met me.
00:40:30.000 And I've never had anything to do with the Ukraine in my life.
00:40:33.000 I was a counterterrorism guy for the president, chasing around terrorists, killing Baghdadi, and things like that, and bringing home American hostages.
00:40:39.000 I probably at that time couldn't put Ukraine on a map, no offense.
00:40:43.000 I just, it wasn't my area of focus.
00:40:45.000 And that was it.
00:40:47.000 And I said, enough's enough.
00:40:48.000 You guys just injected me into an international impeachment hoax.
00:40:52.000 And it's totally false.
00:40:54.000 So I'm fighting back.
00:40:55.000 And that gained traction.
00:40:56.000 And now I'm fighting back for everybody else who was hit falsely and deplatformed.
00:41:01.000 And, you know, join the fight.
00:41:03.000 We'd love to help you.
00:41:03.000 How are your cases going?
00:41:05.000 Good.
00:41:06.000 I've got three filed and served, and pleadings are served.
00:41:10.000 And COVID slowed them down a little bit, but we've got court dates coming up for all three.
00:41:14.000 So we'll keep you posted and we'll put up updates on our website too.
00:41:18.000 Well, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to settle sometime very soon.
00:41:23.000 And they try to.
00:41:24.000 They can try, but it ain't happening.
00:41:26.000 Yeah, they got plenty of resources.
00:41:27.000 That's for sure.
00:41:28.000 It's fightwithcash.com.
00:41:30.000 Cash, you're doing amazing work.
00:41:32.000 A lot of people on the other side can't stand the fact that you won't let up, which is exactly why you have a perpetual invite here on this program to come back anytime you need it.
00:41:43.000 So I really enjoyed this, and I hope this, I hope that a conspiracy charge comes very soon against all these criminals that did this against our country.
00:41:52.000 Thanks so much, Charlie.
00:41:53.000 And I'll come back and talk to you when it pops from Durham.
00:41:55.000 You bet, Cash.
00:41:56.000 All right.
00:41:56.000 Thanks so much.
00:41:57.000 Talk to you soon.
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00:42:09.000 God bless.
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