00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, my interview with Kash Patel, who is the man that revealed and unveiled the Russia scam.
00:00:08.000It's an in-depth and detailed conversation, and quite honestly, one of my favorite conversations I've had recently with an exceedingly smart individual and patriotic person.
00:00:19.000And we go through step-by-step of the Russian investigation.
00:00:23.000If you've never heard of the Russian investigation before, you've probably heard of it, but you might not have cared.
00:00:29.000If you need a little brushing up on who all the characters were, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, this podcast is for you.
00:00:35.000And if you think you know it all, you know all the characters, and in fact, you have a big board of all of it and the strings tied together.
00:00:42.000This podcast is still for you because new information is shared of someone who is on the ground floor, dealt with Andrew McCabe, dealt with James Comey, understood what we are up against, and he makes some pretty bold predictions.
00:00:59.000Kash Patel thinks people are going to jail, and he explains why.
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00:02:53.000I think I've met him a couple times, but my goodness, everyone I respect speaks so favorably about this man and what he did for our country.
00:03:03.000And I just think so many things were happening at once.
00:03:22.000I want to dive into a couple of things.
00:03:23.000I first want to make sure I plug this website because Cash is currently being targeted by the Democrats.
00:03:29.000And I know Cash has to be careful the way he describes it, but he can say it however he wants, but I'll say it how I want to, because he was so effective in fighting for the president and quite honestly figuring out what was happening behind this entire Russia hoax that they're doing everything they can to try and issue subpoenas and what have you against Cash.
00:03:50.000Cash, do you want to talk just a second about that so we can talk about the website?
00:03:53.000We'll reference it throughout the discussion.
00:03:57.000And look, long story short, as you know, Charlie, I was lead investigator for Chairman Nunes on the Russia Gate investigation, where we showed the world that the DNC and the Hillary Clinton paid for the dossier.
00:04:06.000And worse than that, the FBI and DOJ lied to federal courts so they could spy on President Trump.
00:04:11.000But exposing that, I thought, would be the service you signed up for when you signed up to serve.
00:04:16.000But the media had, I guess, a different avenue in mind.
00:04:20.000And basically, they started coming after me.
00:04:22.000So, long story short, the personal attacks got very personal.
00:04:25.000Then they just got straight up defamatory.
00:04:27.000So I sued Politico, the New York Times, and CNN for defamation.
00:05:21.000So you worked for Devin Nunez, who was basically a Lone Ranger.
00:05:25.000House Republican leadership at the time wanted nothing to do with this.
00:05:28.000In fact, Paul Ryan and the Republicans were the ones that were pushing for Bob Mueller's appointment and were kind of believing all of this Russian nonsense.
00:05:38.000Just kind of go back in time and remind us of the timeline and the drama and the intrigue that led up to what you and Devin were able to discover while you were while you were working for him.
00:05:53.000Yeah, let me see if I could stage this right.
00:05:54.000So I'm not going to use any political party affiliations just to sort of display the magnitude of what I think happened.
00:06:00.000Picture in 2016, the United States presidential election is going on and one presidential campaign unlawfully and impermissibly obtains false information from people overseas.
00:06:12.000And they take that information knowing it to be false and stuff it through the media and the left and the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Justice just to get fraudulent search warrants on their opponent, a president for the United States of America.
00:06:30.000And I think it would have gotten a lot more attention if it was the Republican campaign doing it to the Democrats.
00:06:35.000But since it was the Hillary Clinton campaign who paid tens of millions of dollars through their lawyers to funnel it and hide it, then they had their lawyers go to the FBI and DOJ and other agencies to say, we've got great dirt.
00:06:47.000We paid this guy, Christopher Steele, and these other actors.
00:06:49.000We're going to plant these false narratives in the media.
00:06:52.000Then we're going to go to the FISA court.
00:06:54.000And for those that don't know it, it's basically the most secret court we have to conduct the most surreptitious surveillance that we can conduct.
00:07:01.000And I use that all the time when I was a national security prosecutor.
00:07:05.000But when you commit a fraud on that court just to surveil a presidential campaign like they did against President Trump, that's the crux of what we're talking about.
00:07:13.000And we, you know, fortunately, we had a great leader in Chairman Nunes, and I was fortunate to spearhead that team and follow the money and basically show that Hillary paid for it.
00:07:22.000And then if that weren't bad enough, we were able to show the perpetrators, the crooks like the Comeys, the McCabes, Peter Strzoks of the world, perpetrated a fraud on a federal judge just so they can listen in on a presidential election campaign and later president, if you believe.
00:07:38.000So let me ask you a question that you might have received before, but I've never heard answered.
00:07:43.000Do you think they think this was all worth it?
00:07:49.000So, if you were, and we work to unearth a lot of these text messages for some of your viewers that might not be familiar with it, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page having an affair, running the FBI investigation into President Trump, lead lawyer, lead agent.
00:08:02.000It's almost something you can't even fictionalize, but this is what's happening.
00:08:05.000And these guys are sending countless messages during the election cycle in 2016 saying they are going to stop President Trump from becoming president.
00:08:14.000That's their own words, not mine, in text now available that Devin Nunes and I were able to put out and declassify.
00:08:20.000So they thought we're saving America because they think that a duly elected president shouldn't become president and they think they know better.
00:08:30.000And I think you've seen it, but a great summary of it for your viewers is the movie The Plot Against the President.
00:08:35.000It's a really visually stimulating film that summarizes in 90 minutes everything Chairman Nunes and I and we took on and folks like you took on.
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00:10:26.000So just remind our listeners, you've mentioned it very quickly, but we have a lot of younger listeners that quite honestly weren't that involved in politics when this was unfolding.
00:10:34.000So just kind of walk us through that again, the significance, the unprecedented nature of this, the Chuck Schumer, like passive aggressive warning sign in January of 17 on Rachel Maddow's show, right?
00:10:46.000The Donald Trump accurately saying that I'm being spied on and people laughing at him.
00:10:52.000Walk us through the timeline of all this.
00:10:54.000I think it would be helpful as I get to the topic I really want to zero in on, which is Durham.
00:11:00.000So look, these investigations, and as a former federal prosecutor who did national security cases, you know, these things take time.
00:11:06.000You have to get approvals from down below in the bowels of the Justice Department through the Attorney General if you're going to go surveill someone of this magnitude.
00:11:18.000If you're looking at, if you're looking at a bank robber or suspected murderer, you have to go before a federal judge and you got to say, Judge, I think this guy committed this crime.
00:11:27.000We need to go and look at his bank records, his telephone records, his emails, his phone calls, because we think he killed somebody or because we think he robbed a bank.
00:11:36.000And if there's probable cause, the judge grants it.
00:11:40.000It's just a different federal court that deals with spying.
00:11:43.000And basically what the Hillary Clinton campaign did was they spent tens of millions of dollars to collect false information from this guy, Christopher Steele, who used to be a British intelligence asset, if you can believe it, later turned FBI informant.
00:11:59.000I mean, you can't even make this stuff.
00:12:01.000Let me ask you, I never understood this.
00:12:02.000Where the heck did those tens of millions, how on earth did they spend tens of millions of dollars?
00:12:10.000So one of the neat things that we were able to do on House Intel, even though Paul Ryan didn't want us to do it, was subpoena of the bank records for this company called Fusion GPS and Glenn Simpson.
00:12:20.000And they were funneling the money through Perkins Cooey, which is the Democratic law firm.
00:12:34.000The law firm then cuts checks to Fusion GPS for millions of dollars.
00:12:38.000And they go and hire media representatives, Christopher Steele, to start putting on false smear campaigns against President Trump.
00:12:44.000So they're working the intelligence apparatus in one lane and the media apparatus in another to take on a presidential elect a presidential candidate, excuse me, and later a president.
00:13:02.000So basically, you would think for your viewers, you know, this happens in banana republics, not in America, not in 2016, not in 2020.
00:13:10.000But they take the money that, you know, people go out and campaign so hard for to elect a president.
00:13:16.000And instead of saying, putting out signs, getting out the word to vote, securing voting and things like that, they're saying, no, no, no, let's call the media and let's seed stories in the media that we know we, the FBI, Fusion GPS, and Christopher Steele and DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign know are bogus, but it's candidate Trump then.
00:13:36.000So they're likely to go with it because the media hated him before he was elected.
00:13:40.000And then while we're taking him out in the media, we're going to secretly go and have our lead lawyer, and we'll talk about this suspin, go to the FBI's lead lawyer and say, oh, I'm just being a good Samaritan.
00:13:53.000I was paid tens of millions of dollars by the Hillary Clinton campaign to collect all this information.
00:14:13.000So what happens there is with any search warrant, especially when you're talking about the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which is a FISA search warrant, the information has to come in.
00:14:23.000And I've done this, and it's reams of material.
00:14:25.000You have to get probably 20 different approvals before you can even walk into the FISA court to say to a judge, hey, I need probably, I have probable cause.
00:14:33.000I need a very invasive search warrant against then candidate Trump's campaign.
00:14:39.000And so the FBI lawyer takes it, gives it to his agents, gives it to the director of the FBI, James Comey.
00:16:25.000That's why it goes through a different approval process within the FBI and DOJ because it's so invasive that we're basically what I used them for was to go up and spy on terrorists that we were trying to either take out or arrest.
00:16:38.000I mean, that's the purpose of this tool.
00:16:40.000And they used it on a presidential campaign.
00:16:42.000So just to give you a little side by side of what they were doing with that.
00:16:49.000They did it four times into President Trump being president.
00:16:54.000That means his own attorney general, Rob Rosenstein at the time, signed off on a warrant to spy on that president, even though the information was bogus.
00:17:03.000And that's when Jeff Sessions recused himself or whatever, right?
00:17:06.000Because he was just unwilling or unable to get involved at all in that.
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00:21:08.000And so you guys start looking into this, and then Bob Mueller comes onto the scene in the spring of 17 after President Trump fires Comey, right?
00:21:18.000And Paul Ryan and too many Republicans agreed to put Mueller on, all under this cloud of the multi.
00:21:25.000What you're trying to tell me is the millions of dollars that Hillary Clinton pumped through was also maybe used to sweeten some journalists to write stories about this Russia thing, potentially, right?
00:21:37.000I mean, this story was so totally artificial that then we got Bob Mueller out of.
00:21:59.000You can read the Sussman deposition that I took that's cited in the Durham indictment that says he was talking to members of the media at the behest of a client.
00:22:07.000The client being the DNC, Fusion GPS doing the same thing, taking the same false dirt and going to media and saying, you guys got to put this story out.
00:22:18.000Hillary Clinton and Jake Sullivan come in and tweet out information as if they've never heard of it before and say, look, President Trump has a secret back channel to Russia, if you remember this stuff, in the fall of 16.
00:22:59.000And let me just set the table real quick.
00:23:02.000When I was running large-scale conspiracies or prosecutions, Charlie, these are cases that took me two, three, four years to conduct and to get to an indictment because that's just the amount of work that it takes.
00:23:14.000Durham's on basically year two, and he's already issued two indictments.
00:23:18.000I know that might not seem like a lot for people who aren't familiar with the criminal justice system, but that's moving pretty quickly for DOJ.
00:23:24.000Not to mention, this is the biggest political scandal in U.S. history.
00:24:33.000And that guy starts turning information against, as we say, you flip up.
00:24:37.000You get to the bigger fish by going up the ladder.
00:24:40.000And I think that's what Durham is building here because he identified eight people, not by name in the indictment, but I can tell you who they are in that indictment because he wants the world to know Michael Sussman worked with all these people, got paid by all these people, and was dishonest to the FBI.
00:26:46.000And Michael Sussman, if you and I tried to get an appointment with the FBI's general counsel, they'd laugh us out of the building and probably take seven years just to try to get a call back.
00:26:54.000This guy put in one phone call to his buddy and walked right into the building and then pretended to be a good Samaritan and said, I'm not here on behalf of any client.
00:27:03.000I'm just here because I've got these reports on Trump Russia's servers.
00:27:08.000When I questioned him four years ago, he admitted he was working at the behest of a client.
00:27:14.000And what Durham did brilliantly was identify the payment records, which show repeatedly Michael Sussman was doing that research for the Clinton campaign, which is where he got in trouble in the allegations in the indictment.
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00:28:56.000And so here's, I suppose this is up for Durham to figure out, but at some point, there had to be a back channel, a wink and a nod, or somewhere something, it could have been Sussman, where this plan was hatched, where no one was taken by surprise by this, where the FBI knew that this was incoming, that this dossier was being created and concocted, that they were going to bring it in front of a judge, the FISA court judge.
00:29:21.000There was like a triangulation, which would mean, based on what you're saying, a private, public, private government collusion, the likes of which I can't even think of an example of this.
00:29:36.000Where you have private, and by the way, it's what a perfect picture of where the country actually is, where you have private Goldman Sachs getting whatever they want from the Treasury Department, right?
00:29:45.000I mean, it's a perfect example of like, yeah, of where we are as a country.
00:30:00.000The United States government teamed up with a political party and the mainstream media, not only to peddle a false narrative, but to take down a presidential candidate.
00:30:10.000Can you just hit pause on that for a second?
00:30:13.000And the political campaign paid the U.S. government to do so.
00:30:20.000It's like if you wanted to rewrite The Departed to be this movie, you couldn't do it because it's so insane.
00:30:25.000No, it would be not just indicting the mob.
00:30:29.000It's also indicting the police commissioner and the local bureau chief and like everyone who's in charge, right?
00:30:36.000This is, I don't, they'd have to just, I don't know if there's, I'm sure there's criminal code that deals with this.
00:30:43.000So talk about how, and this is where my frustration is, right?
00:30:47.000Where I have to, I walk through our production room every so often and they have CNN because they're gluttons for punishment on mute.
00:30:54.000And Andrew McCabe is on every so often running his mouth, who of all the people I think who I just really believe he was in on it, it would be Andrew McCabe.
00:31:04.000Talk about the person of Andrew McCabe.
00:31:07.000Talk about how he squeaked out of this so far cleanly.
00:31:11.000He's now a lecturer at some school, isn't he?
00:31:30.000Yeah, no, when I called him out back then about masterminding this thing, remember, this is the guy, yes.
00:31:36.000And again, the text messages are public.
00:31:38.000They hatched an insurance policy, Strzok and Page, Lisa Page, an insurance policy in Andy McCabe's office to prevent then-candidate Trump from winning.
00:31:46.000This is the deputy director of the FBI and company hatching a plan to stop a presidential candidate, not because of good information, but because of bogus information.
00:31:56.000I'm as ticked off as you are as Andy McCabe is.
00:31:58.000But here's the thing: if you're if your viewers read nothing else and they don't want to rely on our report from or the Nunes memo or any of that stuff, read the summary of the IG report.
00:32:09.000The inspector general came in after we uncovered all of this information and said, Okay, I'm going to interview Andy McCabe.
00:32:16.000And the inspector general came in and said, Andy McCabe lied to the U.S. government during his investigation about his involvement with Russia Gate.
00:32:26.000That's what the independent inspector general said.
00:32:28.000Not the Democrats, not the Republicans, but him.
00:32:31.000And Andy McCabe's deposition is available for everyone to read.
00:32:34.000So I do hope that Durham's targeting him, but I understand why the evidence is going to be very tough to get him because he's not stupid, but he got caught once lying.
00:32:44.000So his credibility for me is already shot.
00:33:21.000Yeah, I got to, unfortunately, I got to agree with you on that one.
00:33:24.000I don't know that, you know, and Comey, as long as I've known him, and this is the one thing people have to understand, he, and I hate to admit it, but he's one of the smartest guys around.
00:33:34.000He's no dummy, and he's very politically savvy, and he has the biggest ego on planet Earth.
00:33:39.000So he's not going to leave a trail where you can find his breadcrumbs to connect to the Russiagate scandal.
00:33:45.000And he's already tried to distance himself from his deputy, McCabe, and Lisa Page and Peter Strzok and all those guys.
00:33:52.000I believe on the memos, or if you remember the Comey memos, the four memos he leaked himself, which I believe contain classified information, he can be brought up on charges for that.
00:34:29.000And here's what I'll tell you: if I were their lawyers, what I would be doing is have I would have been cooperating with the Durham investigation for the last 18 months if I was those two, if I was Lisa Page and Peter Strzzok.
00:35:40.000They can loop him in as an unindicted co-conspirator, co-conspirator, just say, hey, we don't have enough information to bring you to court, but we've got enough to allege that we think you did bad stuff.
00:35:50.000Then you could also bring in the actual conspirators that you can prove and cite and name those guys.
00:35:55.000That's when it gets really interesting.
00:35:56.000So that's the key to this indictment, the sussmin indictment.
00:36:02.000He's laid out eight different players, major players in this indictment, and he hasn't charged a conspiracy yet.
00:36:09.000He's setting the table to do so, I believe.
00:36:12.000And so that's why I think this indictment is truly important.
00:36:15.000And the people you're talking about, I know were involved in this conspiracy to commit fraud on a FISA court and wrongfully go up on a presidential candidate.
00:36:36.000So, yeah, in the couple minutes we have remaining, what are the biggest things you've personally learned throughout this entire process about our government, about process, or just lessons for life?
00:36:47.000Because you have, I mean, you've been battle-hardened by this.
00:36:51.000So, look, I was fortunate to go on into the Trump administration.
00:36:56.000I was one of his top intelligence community officers.
00:36:58.000And then I finished off at chief of staff at DOD running the Department of Defense for him.
00:37:03.000And here's what I learned: for President Trump and for the people that he installed for the most part, the mission mattered more than anything else.
00:37:14.000We didn't care what the media said about us.
00:37:16.000We cared about what the president was elected to do.
00:37:19.000And if you really want to serve, I know I can at least call out 12 guys and gals that I served with that served the president the way he should have been served.
00:38:05.000Not only did we lose 13 service members and 13 caskets came home with American flags on them, but they took a drone strike and killed seven children in Afghanistan.
00:38:14.000And they hid that from the United States.
00:38:16.000And that's the thing that I think ticks off America the most.
00:38:18.000And that's the thing that I learned the most that unfortunately there are still people out there who, like Millie and Austin, and Blinken, who will politicize the national security apparatus of the United States.
00:38:30.000And that's the one thing we never did under President Trump.
00:39:32.000And hopefully in 2024, you and I are going in to go after it and fix it.
00:39:37.000I won't be, I'll be cheering you on from afar.
00:39:40.000I'll be nicely hosting radio from Phoenix, and you can make personnel is policy, as the great Morton Blackwell would say many times, which is true.
00:39:50.000Who you have in these positions really matter.
00:39:52.000So, Cash, you mentioned it earlier, and I'm sure our audience is impressed with how you've laid all this out.
00:39:57.000Just be specific on how the media lied about you and how you're fighting back with fightwithcash.com.
00:40:05.000So, the crux of the matter is, and you can read all about it in depth on the website, but they basically called me, and the pleadings are public in all these cases, so you guys, everybody can see them.
00:40:15.000They basically call me Trump's Ukraine whisperer.
00:40:18.000Like, I was secretly meeting with President Trump and telling him stuff about the Ukraine.
00:40:23.000It's hilarious because it never happened.
00:40:25.000And the people that said they saw me doing this admitted in public to saying they've never met me.
00:40:30.000And I've never had anything to do with the Ukraine in my life.
00:40:33.000I was a counterterrorism guy for the president, chasing around terrorists, killing Baghdadi, and things like that, and bringing home American hostages.
00:40:39.000I probably at that time couldn't put Ukraine on a map, no offense.
00:41:32.000A lot of people on the other side can't stand the fact that you won't let up, which is exactly why you have a perpetual invite here on this program to come back anytime you need it.
00:41:43.000So I really enjoyed this, and I hope this, I hope that a conspiracy charge comes very soon against all these criminals that did this against our country.