The Charlie Kirk Show - California vs. Christians with Pastor Mike McClure and James Lawrence

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00:01:13.000 We have Bob Tyler, who is the president of Advocates for Faith and Freedom and Mike McClure, a story that I care about deeply here.

00:01:20.000 I have had a chance to speak at this church multiple times.

00:01:23.000 Let me give you the backstory.

00:01:24.000 Calvary Chapel in San Jose, California is a large evangelical church that defied state and local ordinances.

00:01:31.000 They refused to do this mask and social distancing and these unconstitutional measures.

00:01:35.000 Now they are forced to pay $1.2 million in fines because bureaucrats got mad at them.

00:01:42.000 And Pastor McClure and Bob Tyler join us now.

00:01:45.000 Welcome to you both.

00:01:46.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:01:47.000 Good to be here.

00:01:48.000 So, Pastor McClure, walk our audience through your story from your perspective.

00:01:53.000 You decided to remain open.

00:01:55.000 If I understand correctly, at your Easter service, even a couple of weeks ago, you guys had dozens of new people baptized.

00:02:01.000 Tell us your story.

00:02:03.000 So, back in 2020, we opened up along with many other churches across the state of California during, it was in May, Pentecost Sunday.

00:02:11.000 And in doing that, we took in other churches as well, drew the attention from some of these other churches from the county.

00:02:20.000 They began to fine us for a number of different things.

00:02:22.000 And so, we've been in this legal battle with them for, you know, since then, for over two years now.

00:02:30.000 So, we're just continuing to stand our ground like all these other churches throughout California have done.

00:02:36.000 And they just like to, they just like to pick on us, I guess.

00:02:39.000 But, yeah.

00:02:40.000 And so, so, Bob, walk our audience through the recent court decision.

00:02:44.000 This is this is amazing to me.

00:02:47.000 I thought religious assembly is protected by the First Amendment.

00:02:50.000 What is the basis of this fine?

00:02:52.000 Well, the basis of the fine is that the church would not enforce the face masks, that the church would not be the face mask police.

00:03:00.000 And so, when the church opened its doors and said, we're going to allow people to come in and meet, the church had a sign out there and said face masks are required.

00:03:11.000 Actually, had face masks on tables, but they were not going to force people to put face masks on.

00:03:19.000 And that was the that was a part of fine.

00:03:22.000 I should step back and say that, you know, the county started out with $4 million in fines, okay?

00:03:27.000 Roughly $4 million.

00:03:29.000 They dropped it down for kind of some unknown reason to about $3 million.

00:03:33.000 And we've been litigating over the $3 million.

00:03:35.000 And the Superior Court judge ruled that all of the fines that were not associated with a face mask, effectively, were deemed unconstitutional.

00:03:47.000 And that kept open approximately $1.2 million in fines that were associated with the church not forcing people to wear face masks.

00:03:54.000 The funny thing about this is that I shouldn't even say it's not even funny, is that the one order that they're relying on for this $1.2 million, we believe is a fabricated order in the first place, that this fine that they issued was fabricated well into the litigation once the county knew that they were going to lose on everything else.

00:04:16.000 And so they tried to create a situation.

00:04:20.000 And we believe that the metadata behind the document itself shows and will ultimately prove it.

00:04:25.000 And we tried to get the court to understand that, but court still ruled against us on a motion for summary judgment.

00:04:30.000 We're going to take it back and we're going to say this should be in front of a jury for a jury to decide.

00:04:35.000 So then is there an appeal process now that is going to unfold?

00:04:38.000 Is that correct?

00:04:40.000 Yeah, we're going to take this up on appeal.

00:04:43.000 First off, the face mask fines themselves are unconstitutional based upon U.S. Supreme Court precedent.

00:04:49.000 We already took this case up to the Court of Appeal once, and the orders that declared Pastor Mike and the church to be in contempt of court were deemed unconstitutional.

00:04:59.000 They slapped the judge back and said, no, you're wrong.

00:05:02.000 This is not accurate.

00:05:03.000 This is unconstitutional.

00:05:05.000 So we're going to go back up to the same court of appeal again.

00:05:08.000 And Lord willing, they'll do the same thing.

00:05:09.000 It's a different judge.

00:05:11.000 If we have to take this all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court, we're going to address the constitutionality of this face mask order in addition to trying to be able to get our day in court where we can show that this face mask order, not the order itself, I should say, the notice of violation, show that the notice of violation itself was fabricated.

00:05:34.000 So, Pastor, can you tell us just some of the amazing spiritual breakthroughs you guys have been able to experience because you remained open versus remain closed?

00:05:44.000 How many people have you seen commit their life to the Lord, recommit their life to a relationship with God?

00:05:51.000 Just tell us some of the success stories, some of the positives of how you were able to see God's grace and blessing while you took a courageous stand.

00:06:01.000 There are thousands of stories just like that.

00:06:03.000 We have baptized, I think, over a thousand people since we've opened in the last year and a half.

00:06:09.000 We have had so many stories.

00:06:11.000 In fact, during this process, we asked everyone to email their representative at the city and the county to let them know why church is important.

00:06:19.000 We've had people who attempted suicide.

00:06:21.000 They even worked for the county.

00:06:23.000 They came here.

00:06:24.000 They gave their lives to Christ.

00:06:26.000 They brought their relatives.

00:06:27.000 We've had people, they walk in the doors.

00:06:29.000 They're crying even before they come in to hear the worship.

00:06:34.000 And so there is so many stories.

00:06:36.000 I can't even begin to tell you.

00:06:38.000 I wish we're actually writing it down that we could have a little book, just the stories of what God is doing.

00:06:43.000 And it really is a revival.

00:06:45.000 I had someone yesterday ask me what's going on with the county and the legal aspect.

00:06:49.000 I said, well, basically, the county is giving us millions of dollars worth of free advertising for the gospel and for the furtherance of the kingdom of God.

00:06:58.000 So I look at it as every time they try to come against us, because the Bible says in Ephesians 6 that we wrestle not against flesh and blood.

00:07:05.000 They went after our bank.

00:07:06.000 They got our bank to basically foreclose on us.

00:07:09.000 They put a geofencing around our property.

00:07:12.000 They sent OSHA after us, and they continued to lie.

00:07:16.000 This guy, James Williams, he's a Soros fellow.

00:07:19.000 He's running our whole county, and he lies continually.

00:07:23.000 He will never meet with us.

00:07:25.000 So I just, you know, I just look at it as God's going to work.

00:07:28.000 They're not fighting against me.

00:07:30.000 They're fighting against God.

00:07:31.000 And behind them is Soros.

00:07:33.000 Behind us is the Lord.

00:07:34.000 And so in the end, this is really a spiritual battle.

00:07:37.000 And I see people knowing that, coming into this understanding of who Christ is.

00:07:41.000 And we have had so many stories.

00:07:44.000 It's remarkable.

00:07:46.000 And I'm honored just to watch God work in these people's lives.

00:07:46.000 It's a blessing.

00:07:50.000 And that's one of the reasons I told the judge that we're not going to close our church because there's so much fruit, not just that we have a First Amendment, but that we have so much evidence of people that wouldn't be alive today if we didn't open up.

00:08:01.000 I get emails from people that have given their life to the Lord because you guys remained open.

00:08:05.000 And so let me ask you in closing here.

00:08:08.000 So, Bob, do you have any idea of liquor stores or Canada's dispensaries or BLM protesters?

00:08:15.000 Have they been fined? 0.66

00:08:16.000 Has the local city gone after them to try to issue fines for being super spreaders, despite the fact that they cannot prove a single infection came from the fact you guys remained open?

00:08:29.000 You're right in the facts there that they cannot prove a single infection, even though coming from this church or the gathering, even though we're in Silicon Valley, big technology, Soros-oriented lawyer putting this geofence around.

00:08:45.000 They still can't identify any COVID cases or infections spreading inside this church.

00:08:50.000 And yes, there are other businesses out there who actually have been fined.

00:08:55.000 Not like this church, though.

00:08:57.000 They're intent on this church, and we believe it's entirely because of their faith.

00:09:01.000 And there's one issue I want to share with you.

00:09:05.000 I think this is such an awesome story.

00:09:07.000 Early in the middle of the pandemic, we did a press conference with Pastor Mike, and there are a whole bunch of pastors that came behind Pastor Mike at the church.

00:09:16.000 And there was a lady who was probably in her 80s, and she was there at the press conference.

00:09:20.000 She goes to the church, and she came up and she ended up speaking in the press conference.

00:09:24.000 And she said, I would rather die of COVID than be forbidden from attending and worshiping God in church and being with my fellow believers because this is my family.

00:09:35.000 That's amazing.

00:09:36.000 In closing, Pastor, how can people support you?

00:09:39.000 You could pray.

00:09:40.000 I look at our country and thank you, Charlie, for all that you're doing.

00:09:43.000 You got to do both the hand holding the trial and the hand holding the sword.

00:09:47.000 And, you know, we got to build.

00:09:48.000 I think the church's job is to preach the gospel and we need to stand politically.

00:09:52.000 And so pray for us.

00:09:54.000 You know, don't we don't need your money.

00:09:55.000 We need your prayers.

00:09:56.000 And this is a fight against, you know, light and dark.

00:10:00.000 And we are here to stand for the things that God wants us to do in this valley.

00:10:04.000 And it is a challenging place to live.

00:10:07.000 It's where the whole shutdown starts, started, and where the globalists really are implementing a lot of the things in our country.

00:10:14.000 So just pray for our church and the other churches in the area and just that God would prevail and be glorified through all this.

00:10:20.000 That's the greatest thing that you could do.

00:10:22.000 Thanks so much, Charlie, for having it.

00:10:23.000 We have your back 100%.

00:10:25.000 Also, if you are in the Bay Area, go to Calvary Chapel, San Jose.

00:10:29.000 If you guys want to make a special trip with your family to go see a courageous church, go to Calvary Chapel, San Jose.

00:10:34.000 We have your guys back 100%.

00:10:36.000 Thank you so much.

00:10:37.000 Thank you.

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00:11:57.000 Here's Mr. Fetterman, of course.

00:11:59.000 Welcome back, Senator.

00:12:04.000 How are you feeling, Senator?

00:12:06.000 How are you feeling?

00:12:12.000 When a Democrat.

00:12:13.000 It's good to be back, he says.

00:12:19.000 When a Democrat goes through an ailment, it's how are you feeling?

00:12:22.000 When a Republican goes through an ailment, it's, are you up to the job?

00:12:27.000 It's totally different.

00:12:28.000 When a Republican goes through something difficult, they immediately say, Are you sure you're capable?

00:12:34.000 You don't have health issues?

00:12:35.000 Are you really able to do this?

00:12:37.000 I'm told that later John Fetterman came out in a suit on the Senate floor.

00:12:40.000 He has to.

00:12:40.000 They still have some rules around there.

00:12:42.000 I don't like Fetterman.

00:12:42.000 You know what really?

00:12:43.000 He's not a good guy, okay?

00:12:45.000 Sorry, he's dealing with depression.

00:12:46.000 I'm sorry he has those struggles.

00:12:49.000 I hope he overcomes them.

00:12:50.000 I mean that non-sarcastically.

00:12:52.000 I don't like him for a lot of other reasons. 0.95

00:12:54.000 But one of the reasons I don't like him is he appropriates the working class aesthetic. 0.96

00:12:58.000 He's not a working class guy. 0.87

00:12:59.000 He's not.

00:13:00.000 John Fetterman is not someone who is a plumber or electrician or part of the muscular class. 0.98

00:13:06.000 He's a bum. 0.99

00:13:07.000 He's a trust fund bum. 0.98

00:13:09.000 And he has been for quite some time. 0.96

00:13:10.000 And he was a bad mayor.

00:13:12.000 He failed at that.

00:13:13.000 He wants to decriminalize drugs and open up prisons.

00:13:16.000 And he dresses like that as a shtick.

00:13:18.000 It's a Hollywood actor. 0.63

00:13:20.000 It's the same sort of thing that is kind of, we're okay with the trans thing.

00:13:24.000 You could pretend to be something that you're not.

00:13:26.000 He's trans working class, is what he is. 0.98

00:13:28.000 You are not part of the working class. 0.81

00:13:30.000 You're not part of the muscular class.

00:13:31.000 You don't work with your hands ever.

00:13:33.000 But he dresses like that because he thinks he can fool people.

00:13:36.000 Maybe it worked in Pennsylvania, I guess.

00:13:38.000 But they have a ballot harvesting, ballot capturing collection operation in Pennsylvania that just, and they obviously are able to lie and blur lines and not play by the rules and do all sorts of different shenanigans in Pennsylvania.

00:13:52.000 But it just bothers me to a great extent, John Fetterman coming out and appropriating the aesthetic of the very people that his policies are going to crush.

00:14:03.000 When he goes and votes for the Green New Deal or whatever energy anti-energy campaign there is, while he goes and he kind of wears the uniform, look at me, I'm a working class guy.

00:14:13.000 How about you put on a TyPal?

00:14:14.000 Okay, you're a United States Senator.

00:14:16.000 They say he supports fracking.

00:14:20.000 I don't believe it.

00:14:22.000 He's had contradictory stuff on that.

00:14:24.000 Okay, let's play another piece of tape here.

00:14:26.000 I want to get to.

00:14:28.000 Oh, where is it?

00:14:28.000 I had this all lined up.

00:14:34.000 Let's go to this one here.

00:14:37.000 Oh, this is too good to be.

00:14:38.000 This is too good.

00:14:39.000 I could do a whole hour on this.

00:14:41.000 Pete Buttajej, who, by the way, if there ever was a theory that artificial intelligence has already been able to create a human being in a biolab, it's definitely Pete Buttigieg.

00:14:54.000 He is patient zero exhibit A of Chat GPT is actually more advanced, and the government's been lying to us.

00:15:02.000 Here's cut 10 of the automaton of how Chat GPT has taken over our government.

00:15:07.000 Pete Buttigeg, you want to say, hey, Charlie, artificial intelligence is not big of a deal.

00:15:10.000 Imagine an entire government that talks like this.

00:15:13.000 Imagine an entire regime.

00:15:15.000 You just have Pete Buttigeg everywhere. 0.99

00:15:17.000 Listen to this garbage. 0.96

00:15:18.000 Play cut 10. 0.99

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00:15:23.000 We lose about 40,000 people every year.

00:15:27.000 It's a level that's comparable to gun violence.

00:15:30.000 And we see a lot of racial disparities.

00:15:32.000 Black and brown Americans, tribal citizens, and rural residents much more likely to lose their lives, whether it's in a car or as a pedestrian being hit by a car.

00:15:43.000 There are a lot of reasons related to discrimination, related to even the ways that roads are designed and built.

00:15:50.000 Who has access to a safe street design that's got crosswalks and good lighting?

00:15:56.000 Who doesn't have that access?

00:15:57.000 That can drive disparities.

00:15:59.000 And we have a responsibility to act on that.

00:16:03.000 All right, Alfred E. Newman, do you think there might be any other explanation for a disparity with the community other than discrimination?

00:16:12.000 Is that even something that you could comprehend?

00:16:15.000 Thomas Sowell wrote the best book on this, Discrimination and Disparities.

00:16:20.000 Or maybe it's disparities and discrimination.

00:16:22.000 I think it's discrimination and disparities.

00:16:24.000 And he asks the most thoughtful academic question, why are we blaming everything on discrimination when in reality, there are hundreds of other possible explanations?

00:16:32.000 And some of which are innocent, some of which are self-reflective, some of which you can improve without public policy.

00:16:37.000 But for people who to judge, racism is the only answer.

00:16:41.000 Can he even define what is racism?

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00:18:07.000 Okay, very important guest with a tragic story that I hope we can dive into maybe a little bit more freely now that the case is over, but I bet there's going to be an appeal.

00:18:15.000 So we have to be, I could say whatever I want, but I really want to dive into this.

00:18:19.000 It's really important.

00:18:20.000 It's James Lawrence.

00:18:21.000 He's a partner at Envisage.

00:18:24.000 Did I say that right, James?

00:18:27.000 That's right.

00:18:28.000 Envisage law. 0.78

00:18:29.000 Very good.

00:18:30.000 Okay, the Douglas Mackey case is one of the most disturbing things I've seen in my lifetime when it comes to criminal law.

00:18:36.000 It's a young man who now faces 10 years in prison because of posting a meme against Hillary Clinton.

00:18:46.000 And it's a tragedy all the way through.

00:18:48.000 So, James, you were representing or your firm was representing Douglas, is that right?

00:18:54.000 Well, we represented his legal defense fund, to be clear.

00:18:57.000 We did not try the case, but we've helped with that.

00:19:01.000 So walk us through how the case went.

00:19:03.000 Obviously, it resulted in a conviction.

00:19:06.000 Right.

00:19:07.000 What was the government's case?

00:19:09.000 And how does it apply to future prosecutions?

00:19:14.000 So the government brought a claim under 18 USC, Section 241, which is a section of the Civil Rights Act of, I believe, 1871 or 1870.

00:19:26.000 And it's also known by the name the Ku Klux Klan Act.

00:19:29.000 And the theory of prosecution was that Mr. Mackey's conspiring with people through DM messaging on Twitter and the publication of a meme which invited viewers of Twitter to text their vote for former Secretary Clinton to a particular number was sufficient to give rise to criminal liability.

00:19:57.000 The trial, I believe, went on for three days in Brooklyn, New York.

00:20:02.000 The jury deliberated carefully over the issue for three to four days and ultimately returned a guilty verdict against Doug.

00:20:13.000 And as you alluded to in the open, there are now post-trial motions that are going to be filed by Doug's criminal defense team in Brooklyn in federal district court.

00:20:24.000 And now the case is going to be teed up for appeal.

00:20:28.000 And I would ask your viewers to consider learning more about the case at meme defensefund.com and also supporting the effort on appeal as this goes up to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals and really to take it all the way to the United States Supreme Court if necessary, because as you also noted, the implications aren't just limited to Doug and what he posted.

00:20:52.000 Potentially, it has a chilling effect on all speeches.

00:20:55.000 Yeah, but I mean, what was the response by the government when the defense counsel, I imagine, said this is First Amendment protected speech.

00:21:04.000 This is satire and humor.

00:21:06.000 What was the argument by the government that this was malicious?

00:21:11.000 Did they use a racial argument here?

00:21:14.000 I'm curious because the spirit of the law, that is a racially based violation. 0.72

00:21:21.000 Right.

00:21:22.000 Well, the government put on evidence of certain things, certain inflammatory things that were said by the account at issue on Twitter and through these direct messages.

00:21:37.000 And certainly that had an impact on the jury.

00:21:41.000 Those were proffered to show evidence of a conspiracy.

00:21:44.000 Hold on.

00:21:45.000 I got to interrupt.

00:21:46.000 The judge allowed evidence outside of the meme at hand to be shown to the jury.

00:21:52.000 I mean, how is that possible?

00:21:54.000 Well, to prove from the government's perspective, to prove that a conspiracy had taken place.

00:22:03.000 And this will be part, this was a contested issue, Charlie, in the days leading up to the trial.

00:22:09.000 There were pre-trial motions, motions and lemonade filed to exclude that evidence on the basis that it was more prejudicial than probative of the issues at hand, particularly when you're talking about inflammatory language about race and sex in a trial like this.

00:22:29.000 And that evidence ultimately made its way to the jury and now will provide another avenue of appeal.

00:22:38.000 I've used the term the triple play before, and we really do have that going on.

00:22:42.000 Perhaps with the evidentiary issues, it's a grand slam.

00:22:45.000 But just to go back to the three issues, we've got First Amendment issues, Fifth Amendment issues, and Sixth Amendment issues because of a late stage disclosure by the government of what Doug's defense argued was exculpatory evidence that should have been disclosed under the Brady precedent, Supreme Court precedent.

00:23:07.000 So this is extraordinary.

00:23:10.000 There are multiple grounds for Doug's appellate team now to attack the conviction.

00:23:17.000 And if, again, your viewers would be so inclined, they can give to support that effort at meme defensefund.com.

00:23:26.000 So hopefully that there's a successful appeal.

00:23:30.000 And so let's talk, I mean, so how does the appeal versus sentencing go?

00:23:33.000 Does he get sentenced and then there's an appeal or what is the timeline there?

00:23:37.000 So sentencing is set for August, I believe August 18th, if memory serves.

00:23:45.000 And Doug's defense will attempt to stay the incarceration until the appellate courts have fully digested the issues that are going to be going up.

00:24:00.000 Again, first to the Second Circuit and ultimately to the Supreme Court, if need be.

00:24:06.000 This is so incredibly important.

00:24:08.000 You're also involved in other legal, let's say, legal projects.

00:24:14.000 I guess that's a fair thing to say, including the Babylon B. Tell us about that.

00:24:19.000 Yeah, happy to.

00:24:21.000 So last week, we filed a lawsuit against Attorney General Rob Bonta on behalf of the Babylon B, Tim Poole, and the social media network Mines.

00:24:33.000 And this is related, Charlie, to an important law that was enacted by the California General Assembly last year.

00:24:42.000 It's called AB 587, and it's a law that requires social media platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram to collect data and publish it to the government, publish it to the Attorney General's office in California related to eight different categories of speech on those websites.

00:25:04.000 And that includes, among other undefined categories of speech, hate speech, racism.

00:25:11.000 Your audience is, I'm sure, familiar with these two terms, misinformation and disinformation, as well as extremism and radicalization.

00:25:19.000 We have argued in court filings and in the complaint that we filed last week that this violates the First Amendment.

00:25:26.000 It's designed by Governor Newsom's own admission when he signed the bill into law to stop quote unquote hate from reaching Californians and to chill First Amendment protected speech.

00:25:38.000 We've also argued that the terms in the law are vague and void for vagueness under the 14th Amendment.

00:25:44.000 So that case was filed last Tuesday in California in the Central District of California, Federal District Court.

00:25:53.000 How do you think that is going to proceed?

00:25:55.000 I mean, sometimes those cases take a long time.

00:25:57.000 So what is your guess there?

00:25:59.000 So we're going to be taking action to tee the issues up for decision by the federal district court judge in short order.

00:26:10.000 We're going to be raising, again, arguments under the First Amendment and the vagueness doctrine of the 14th Amendment.

00:26:17.000 So stay tuned.

00:26:19.000 The complaint is actually posted to your viewers who might be interested on our firm's website at envisage.law on our blog, and they can log on there and learn more about it and read it.

00:26:30.000 Well, I think it's fascinating, and I think it's critical in several different ways.

00:26:35.000 We're getting a lot of emails here, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:26:37.000 Can you just speak more broadly?

00:26:40.000 Well, first, I want to actually talk about Alex Berenson.

00:26:43.000 Can you give us some thoughts there?

00:26:46.000 Yeah, so I'm privileged to represent Alex in his case against President Biden and senior White House officials, as well as Dr. Scott Dottleb and Dr. Albert Borla.

00:26:58.000 And this all relates, Charlie, to things that came out after our pathbreaking lawsuit, which, again, I was privileged to be a part of and to serve as lead counsel in, where Alex sued Twitter for his deplatforming and he was deplatforming in August of 2021 and was ultimately reinstated to the platform.

00:27:16.000 What we learned in that litigation is that very powerful actors in the White House had repeatedly inquired about why Twitter had not banned Alex Behrenson.

00:27:30.000 And then literally 24 hours before Alex was deplatformed for Twitter for questioning the safety and efficacy of the COVID vaccines, Dr. Scott Gottlieb contacted Twitter secretly and lobbied.

00:27:46.000 Uh with respect to uh Twitter's, uh Alex's access to the platform.

00:27:52.000 So uh, the the.

00:27:54.000 This lawsuit is a is in some ways a follow-on to his original lawsuit.

00:27:58.000 We filed it last week actually last wednesday in Manhattan and in the southern district of New York.

00:28:04.000 It's against the government, it's against again to senior officials at Pfizer and, and your viewers can again learn more about the lawsuit by logging on to our website and our blog at Envisage LAW, at Envisage LAW OF Envisage excuse me, DOT LAW.

00:28:21.000 So we're also, you know, contemplating some legal action against University California Davis UH, for what they said about me and I don't know.

00:28:29.000 I'm getting all sorts of different opinions from other people.

00:28:31.000 We'd love to our team's in a chat with you with this, but you know the threshold is very difficult right now to be able to achieve a conclusive decision right on defamation or slander when it comes to public figures.

00:28:46.000 Even though they said that I support the lynching of trans people, i've never said that, never even close to it.

00:28:51.000 It's a complete fiction.

00:28:53.000 Any thoughts on on that wrinkle of the law and how we should think about that about a minute remaining?

00:28:58.000 Well well look, the the Supreme Court, as you said in NEW YORK Times Versus Sullivan, has set a very, very high bar to meet for public figures and in in that regard um, interestingly enough, we're seeing right now plaintiffs having somewhat uh, success in potentially piercing that veil with respect to the litigation that's ongoing against Fox by Dominion right.

00:29:20.000 Yep um, so it's not necessarily impossible.

00:29:22.000 It's a very high bar to meet but um, you know, just like uh, the the case we brought against Twitter on behalf of Alex uh there, there are many different ways to skin the cat and to try to bring justice, and so it's one of the reasons we're here at Envisage is to take on those kinds of cases.

00:29:40.000 Well, very good James, thank you for your leadership.

00:29:42.000 God bless you.

00:29:43.000 Thanks so much.

00:29:44.000 Thank you, Ditto.

00:29:44.000 We'll be in touch.

00:29:45.000 God bless you, thank you.

00:29:49.000 what if i told you that there could be mRNA in the food supply this is not some sort of fringe conspiracy theory they're going to start giving animals mRNA vaccines attorney tom rens speaks out against it and this is gaining steam this mRNA stuff is in the food supply for all you guys that's strong against them well you're going to get them anyway through your food play cut 13.

00:30:14.000 This mRNA stuff is in the food supply.

00:30:17.000 We know that Merck has a product called Sequevity.

00:30:20.000 They've been injecting mRNA into pigs since 2018.

00:30:24.000 We know that they can actually make what's called transmissible mRNA.

00:30:30.000 And what that means is that they can put this stuff in an animal so that it transmits to whoever is ingesting whatever it is that they're ingesting and they become vaccinated.

00:30:40.000 So they could engineer this into plants, into animals, into various things.

00:30:45.000 And if we don't get this closure, if we don't pass some informed consent laws, what's going to happen is, is for all you guys that stood strong and said, no, these mRNA vaccines, well, you're going to get them anyways, right, through your food.

00:30:58.000 I know Florida is thinking about doing an informed consent law.

00:31:01.000 You know, talking about food is a very interesting topic that we don't speak about enough.

00:31:06.000 The food we are eating today is not the food of generations before.

00:31:09.000 It's genetically modified.

00:31:11.000 It's not as nutritious.

00:31:14.000 I think one of the reasons why America is getting fatter and fatter is the quality of our food goes down.

00:31:18.000 And that's an interesting question, isn't it?

00:31:20.000 Because the promise of free markets is that things always get better.

00:31:24.000 And I'm a free market guy, but I'd love to challenge a puritanical, libertarian free market type on why is it, though, that at scale, we're actually seeing the quality of the food go down.

00:31:36.000 We're actually seeing a heavier carbohydrate diet.

00:31:39.000 And by the way, this has been the truth for quite some time.

00:31:42.000 What if I told you the entire food pyramid is a lie?

00:31:45.000 The food pyramid has been a lie for quite some time.

00:31:47.000 What if I told you you could survive just on proteins and fats and you really don't need carbohydrates?

00:31:52.000 You really don't.

00:31:53.000 Proteins and fats, your body goes into a form of ketosis.

00:31:57.000 It's called a ketogenic diet.

00:31:59.000 It's not necessarily always enjoyable to eat that way, but you could survive on it.

00:32:04.000 What if I told you that high cholesterol is not the worst thing in the world?

00:32:08.000 It's not.

00:32:10.000 You see, a heavy carbohydrate diet, your body overemphasizes your glycogen stores, turns the food to glucose, and then to fat storage.

00:32:21.000 See, there's the food pyramid right there.

00:32:23.000 Now, look at that food pyramid.

00:32:25.000 We've indoctrinated our kids, and doctors use this as a way to believe that the most important thing is simple carbohydrates.

00:32:31.000 Now, complex carbohydrates can play a role.

00:32:34.000 If you're trying to lose weight, it's not the best thing for you, but complex carbohydrates like sweet potatoes and quinoa can be very good for you.

00:32:41.000 But simple carbohydrates, rice, oats, oats are not as simple, rice, wheat, not good for you.

00:32:49.000 Corn.

00:32:49.000 And yet, that's the number one emphasis.

00:32:51.000 And so, yeah, I mean, if you're trying to alleviate widespread hunger, then yeah, sure.

00:32:56.000 But we don't have that problem.

00:32:57.000 We have a surplus problem.

00:32:59.000 And if you look back at that food chart, meat, protein, it's not where it should be.

00:33:07.000 It's all the way near the top.

00:33:08.000 I can't really see it.

00:33:09.000 It's near the top, right?

00:33:10.000 We're all the way near the top.

00:33:13.000 Second down from the top.

00:33:15.000 When in reality, probably people aren't getting enough protein in their diet.

00:33:19.000 And yeah, fruits are great.

00:33:20.000 Vegetables are great.

00:33:21.000 But what kind of fruits are you eating?

00:33:26.000 These are serious questions.

00:33:27.000 And so a robust discussion about how we eat in our country is long overdue.

00:33:33.000 I think it's contributing to rising obesity, sluggishness.

00:33:38.000 Why do we eat as much as we do?

00:33:40.000 Why do we eat three meals a day?

00:33:41.000 It's an antiquated model, actually.

00:33:42.000 You don't need to eat as much as you probably are.

00:33:44.000 These are things that I'd love our leaders to talk about.

00:33:47.000 Said they don't.

00:33:48.000 You see, the pharmaceutical industrial complex is intent on keeping people sick.

00:33:54.000 We have a sick care system. 0.99

00:33:57.000 You really don't, people say, oh, breakfast is the most important meal of the day.

00:34:00.000 It isn't, actually.

00:34:02.000 Extending your feeding window actually is better for fat loss, HDH growth, mental clarity.

00:34:09.000 It upregulates your hormone production.

00:34:12.000 Eating too often can actually down-regulate your hormone production.

00:34:16.000 It depends on what you're eating.

00:34:17.000 Some people like lots of little meals out there.

00:34:18.000 I'm not going to tell you what to do, but these are interesting discussions, aren't they?

00:34:21.000 Our government seems totally uninterested in it.

00:34:23.000 By the way, we could play more other tapes.

00:34:26.000 Eric Adams says, oh, yeah, plant-based diet is best for you.

00:34:28.000 No, it's not.

00:34:30.000 The great Andrew Huberman says, if there was just one thing, if you could eat for the rest of your life, what would it be?

00:34:34.000 You'd say red meat, steak.

00:34:36.000 You get your vitamins, get your nutrients, get your fat, your protein, and you could survive.

00:34:40.000 Show me another food where you could do all that.

00:34:43.000 It's a topic I wish we could talk about more.

00:34:45.000 But yes, to summarize that, there very well might be mRNA in your food.

00:34:48.000 Buy local.

00:34:49.000 Buy farm-raised.

00:34:51.000 Be very careful what you eat.

00:34:54.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:56.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:59.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:35:00.000 God bless.

00:35:04.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 19, 2023

California vs. Christians with Pastor Mike McClure and James Lawrence

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