The Charlie Kirk Show - Can Anyone On the Left Define "Woman?"

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00:02:12.000 What is a woman? 1.00

00:02:15.000 A woman is somebody who presents as our social conception of womanhood. 1.00

00:02:20.000 So you act in such a way.

00:02:21.000 So Pixie, just can you answer that question without using the word woman or womanhood?

00:02:26.000 It's because basically it would be a functional definition.

00:02:29.000 So as a society, we have an understanding of what woman is. 1.00

00:02:32.000 What is a man?

00:02:33.000 Yeah, that's basically...

00:02:34.000 I am a man.

00:02:36.000 Well then.

00:02:38.000 Can you elaborate?

00:02:39.000 XY chromosomes. 0.65

00:02:40.000 Okay, but the problem with that is that I didn't check your chromosomes before coming in here and calling you a man, and you didn't check my chromosomes before coming in here or genitals. 0.87

00:02:49.000 Or genitals and calling me a woman. 1.00

00:02:51.000 So let me just play this out.

00:02:52.000 So first of all, you can't give me a definition without using the word woman.

00:02:56.000 That's a functional definition.

00:02:57.000 Yeah, sure.

00:02:58.000 Do you know what functional definitions are?

00:02:59.000 I'm very well aware, and you should have a functional definition for the most important question in civilization, right?

00:03:04.000 Well, the point of a functional definition, functional definitions are a definition that is by the function of something.

00:03:11.000 So like, for example, equals one.

00:03:16.000 One is a function of one.

00:03:18.000 Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

00:03:19.000 Yeah, I do.

00:03:20.000 So then can you give me an objective, a functional, utilitarian, any sort of biological definition of what a woman is?

00:03:26.000 Because how can we debate feminism if we can't agree what a woman is? 1.00

00:03:30.000 I don't, I would even like, I feel like Pixie's definition absolutely satisfies the definition of what constitutes womanhood, but I would define it only slightly differently, which is that it's a person who performs a set of social roles that are typically associated with feminine characteristics, but not necessarily because there are even cis women who fall outside of this, and we still consider them women nonetheless.

00:03:53.000 Like Butch Lesbians, for example, are women that exhibit very masculine characteristics, but nonetheless, society understands them to be women. 0.95

00:04:00.000 I find cis to be a very offensive word, by the way. 0.87

00:04:03.000 I don't know how you feel about the cistern. 0.66

00:04:06.000 I think it's hate speech, to be honest.

00:04:08.000 I didn't mean to trigger you, but I would have given you a trigger warning before if I had. 1.00

00:04:12.000 Do you think anyone can become a woman? 1.00

00:04:14.000 Yep. 1.00

00:04:14.000 But not anyone will. 1.00

00:04:16.000 Okay, so then at what point do they become a woman? 1.00

00:04:19.000 It will depend on where they are in their gender transition.

00:04:22.000 Does it require drugs to become a woman? 1.00

00:04:24.000 No.

00:04:24.000 Personally, I think it's a mindset.

00:04:26.000 It's a spiritual energy.

00:04:29.000 It's the vibe that you give off.

00:04:32.000 The vibe.

00:04:33.000 Before we continue on, I want to just give everyone an opportunity to answer Charlie.

00:04:36.000 No, totally fine.

00:04:37.000 To answer Charlie's question, I know you two had already answered.

00:04:42.000 What is a woman? 1.00

00:04:43.000 Starting with you, we'll go around the table.

00:04:44.000 Go ahead.

00:04:46.000 Can you skip me?

00:04:48.000 We'll come back to her.

00:04:50.000 I'm a woman.

00:04:51.000 That's the best answer.

00:04:53.000 That's the one that Katangi Brown Jackson should have given in front of the Senate.

00:04:56.000 So come back to you or...

00:04:57.000 Yeah, come back to me.

00:04:58.000 Come back to me.

00:04:59.000 Let me share it with you.

00:04:59.000 Sure, okay.

00:05:01.000 I'm a woman.

00:05:02.000 What is a woman? 1.00

00:05:05.000 What about you?

00:05:06.000 I'm a woman, but I also do think that a woman is someone who identifies as a woman.

00:05:15.000 And that's Pat.

00:05:18.000 I mean, periodically, it's someone who's born with a womb, but this generation obviously has proven that people, men can turn into women.

00:05:28.000 So I'm not discluding that.

00:05:30.000 I still think that they should be perceived as what they're portraying themselves as.

00:05:36.000 But technically, I still think trans girls, they are a version of a man, but they can still be classed as a woman. 1.00

00:05:42.000 Which is a bit tricky, but yeah, yeah.

00:05:44.000 Molly?

00:05:46.000 I'll say the same answer. 0.86

00:05:48.000 I think what constitutes as a woman is the energy that you give off and that you want to put out into the world. 0.98

00:05:54.000 So if being a woman or a female is a mindset, can your age also be a mindset? 0.67

00:06:02.000 Can you choose to be, can you just say, I feel 14, which is a classifiable mental condition, by the way, of in it.

00:06:08.000 So I will say, yes, I know people that act way younger than they actually are and they love acting way younger than they actually are.

00:06:18.000 And I know people that, you know, like act way older than they are and they, you know, and they pride themselves in that.

00:06:23.000 And I think.

00:06:24.000 Okay, fair enough. 0.95

00:06:25.000 So if a 35-year-old man claims he's 14, should we have any problem if he wants to have sex with another 14-year-old? 0.73

00:06:32.000 No, no, no.

00:06:33.000 I'm not saying that you should.

00:06:34.000 We probably should have a problem.

00:06:35.000 I think that's a good question.

00:06:35.000 No, no, no.

00:06:36.000 I'm not saying that you should be able to have sex.

00:06:38.000 But they can just state I feel 14. 0.81

00:06:42.000 Right, but I have to state that.

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00:06:52.000 He loves feminism. 0.96

00:06:54.000 Today, men acting female can be better women than real women.

00:06:57.000 Feminism has failed you. 1.00

00:06:59.000 How can the patriarchy help you today?

00:07:01.000 That was beautiful, Grid 1.

00:07:02.000 Thank you.

00:07:03.000 Appreciate it.

00:07:04.000 Yeah, he's...

00:07:08.000 So going back.

00:07:10.000 But if your identity is an energy or a feeling that can change, why would it be wrong for a 35-year-old to say he's 14?

00:07:19.000 But then how is someone who has male parts a woman if he's not a woman?

00:07:24.000 That's two different things.

00:07:25.000 It's a mindset, isn't it?

00:07:27.000 Your age isn't a mindset. 0.64

00:07:30.000 But then why is your sex or your gender a mindset and your age isn't?

00:07:34.000 I don't know which one is which one of you could probably say.

00:07:38.000 Do you agree? 0.60

00:07:38.000 At least acknowledge that sex and gender are two separate things. 0.60

00:07:41.000 That's what I was going to say. 0.94

00:07:41.000 There are zero genders, two sexes, and infinite personalities. 0.94

00:07:45.000 Okay. 1.00

00:07:46.000 Gender doesn't exist. 1.00

00:07:48.000 No, you mean sex does. 0.99

00:07:49.000 So the parts you're born with is who you are.

00:07:51.000 How does gender not exist? 0.91

00:07:53.000 It's a 1960s clinical term largely made out of the academy of John Loney and Alfred Kinsey and many postmodern child psychiatrists, many of whom, by the way, were not really great people, but we don't have to go into that.

00:08:05.000 But gender is a new term of the last 50 or 60 years.

00:08:09.000 Yeah, but it still exists.

00:08:10.000 But personalities exist.

00:08:11.000 We can agree with that.

00:08:12.000 Proclivities or interests or likes exist.

00:08:15.000 So if you find that definition, then if you're a woman or a man, is your energy.

00:08:20.000 It is your personality.

00:08:22.000 Well, yeah, the goal, or what used to be the case, is the vast, vast, vast majority, 99.9% of all people, their biology and their reality, or how they viewed their reality, I should say, were in alignment.

00:08:34.000 And now that's not so much the case.

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00:09:40.000 There's many elements to this.

00:09:41.000 People are told that they can become something they can't. 0.61

00:09:45.000 So they go on a very, very damaging, self-destructive pattern of medical interventions that even if you're pro-trans, you have to acknowledge that hysterectomy at age 17 is not exactly an easy surgery. 0.57

00:09:59.000 I don't think anyone at 17 should be altering their body. 0.97

00:10:03.000 No, I agree.

00:10:04.000 It's just it's happening right now at a rat.

00:10:06.000 Thousands of young kids across the country are getting what is called gender-affirming care, but it's irreversible.

00:10:12.000 Terrorist surgeries.

00:10:13.000 Both.

00:10:14.000 So puberty blockers and hormone blockers.

00:10:16.000 Thousands of kids that are getting hysterectomies across the United States.

00:10:18.000 No, thousands of kids are getting hormone blockers or puberty blockers.

00:10:21.000 Probably even more tens of thousands.

00:10:22.000 You could stop you.

00:10:23.000 And as far as breast reduction surgery or hysterectomies, we don't know the number, but I'll even say it's probably only a couple dozen.

00:10:28.000 It's probably, you're right.

00:10:29.000 It's probably not thousands.

00:10:30.000 Right.

00:10:31.000 But we don't know the exact numbers, but an estimate is anywhere between 10 to 15,000 minors and is growing are currently receiving monthly doses of hormone replacement theory, estrogenic therapy.

00:10:43.000 Yeah, but you can stop those and be like...

00:10:45.000 Well, that's the question, right? 1.00

00:10:47.000 There's a lot of detransitioners that are speaking out that are not able to rest. 1.00

00:10:50.000 You know, puberty is not an assembly line that you could just push a button and restart.

00:10:54.000 That is an increasingly disproven scientific theory right now.

00:10:58.000 Chloe Cole is one of the most famous D-transitioners who she's in her 20s and she was sold the Bill of Goods. 1.00

00:11:03.000 And when she was 16, she said, I think I'm a man. 1.00

00:11:05.000 And she went on a very, very aggressive regimen of hormone blockers and puberty blockers.

00:11:10.000 And she has huge regret.

00:11:12.000 And hopefully one day she'll be able to have, you know, have children again. 0.99

00:11:15.000 But it gets back to a question of can, so I'm just making a point, though, that these ideas have consequences.

00:11:21.000 It's more than just a silly question. 0.56

00:11:22.000 Oh, what is a woman? 1.00

00:11:24.000 That if you can't answer it, or at the very least say that you should allow minors to become adults before they make these decisions, then, and this is not a small thing, the quote-unquote gender-affirming care, we know that in California you have to be 18 years old to get a tattoo.

00:11:38.000 And yet 14-year-olds can go to what we call a doctor and get a highly aggressive hormone replacement therapy treatment, sometimes without even notifying their parent.

00:11:48.000 And all of these are ramifications of the inability to answer very simple biological questions.

00:11:54.000 I would be interested in seeing your exact study or citation for when it comes to puberty blockers because I know a lot of people, or not a lot of people, there's a lot of people who end up on puberty blockers, not because they're necessarily trans, but because they're going through puberty too early.

00:12:08.000 And there are clear negative side effects and consequences of, let's say, a 10-year-old girl getting her bravery.

00:12:14.000 That's a separate, you're right.

00:12:16.000 That's a good idea. 0.98

00:12:16.000 Yeah, but it's used on cis children. 0.98

00:12:17.000 I think what you're talking about is precocious puberty.

00:12:20.000 But it's not used on perfectly healthy, physically abled-bodied children, right?

00:12:24.000 So there's a great book that I'll, I guess, we have to do it.

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00:12:47.000 All right.

00:12:47.000 Many come up and see what's happening.

00:12:49.000 I'll just reference one book, and she's a non-political doctor.

00:12:53.000 Her name is Dr. Miriam Grossman.

00:12:54.000 It's a book called Lost in Transnation.

00:12:57.000 She has treated, not just theorized.

00:12:59.000 She's a clinician and a physician, not just someone who writes abstract medical journals.

00:13:04.000 And she is one of the most outspoken people against what is called gender-affirming care.

00:13:08.000 And she's treating hundreds of kids that are now. 0.99

00:13:11.000 So I know detransitioners exist, but what do you say to the thousands of trans people that actually report happiness and being healthy after they receive gender-affirming care? 0.96

00:13:20.000 Don't doubt that in the short term, testosterone therapy from someone who has a fair amount of testosterone, it can make you feel confident.

00:13:28.000 It can make you feel better in your skin.

00:13:30.000 That is not a lasting effect, though.

00:13:31.000 I think it is for some people.

00:13:33.000 Well, the suicide rate, I can't say that word.

00:13:36.000 Sorry, the self-harm rate after eight to ten years actually goes up.

00:13:40.000 It nearly doubles.

00:13:41.000 And we're still studying it.

00:13:42.000 That's the other point: I'm not going to throw around a lot of studies here.

00:13:46.000 And they very well might be right.

00:13:48.000 It might have helped them individually.

00:13:50.000 But let me give you an example.

00:13:51.000 If a medication is on the market and it harms one in 250,000 people, for example, robotuscin.

00:13:57.000 You guys ever take robotuscin?

00:13:58.000 No.

00:13:58.000 No, it's a cough thing.

00:14:00.000 They found that one of their lots of robotuscin last week might have been contaminated and they did a massive recall, right?

00:14:07.000 And it was just a whisper of it, okay?

00:14:10.000 The point that is in medicine, the first rule used to be first do no harm.

00:14:14.000 That still is, right?

00:14:15.000 No, they've changed it.

00:14:15.000 The Hippocratic Oath.

00:14:16.000 They've changed it, yeah.

00:14:17.000 They have.

00:14:18.000 Who's they?

00:14:18.000 The American Medical Association and a lot of the medical institutions.

00:14:22.000 It's similar, but it's not.

00:14:23.000 It's not by like woke ideology.

00:14:25.000 Well, you'd be surprised, actually.

00:14:27.000 The medical industry has been taken over by a lot of radicals.

00:14:30.000 All doctors are woke now.

00:14:31.000 Well, for example, I mean, when they were giving monoclonal antibodies in the city of New York, they were prioritizing people based on the color of their skin.

00:14:39.000 Black individuals in New York got monoclonal antibodies above their white counterparts. 0.50

00:14:42.000 Was it based on the color of their skin or like maybe their background related to like their socioeconomic status? 0.77

00:14:47.000 It was racial.

00:14:48.000 But I don't want to get too deep into that rabbit hole. 1.00

00:14:50.000 But the point that I'm just trying to make is that in medicine in particular, you must have a cautious approach, even if there were pluses and positives, which might very well be true.

00:14:58.000 If there's even a 1%, a 2% adverse event, you pull the drug immediately because you first do no harm.

00:15:04.000 If there's something that is actively damaging a society, and it's now a certifiable fact that we see thousands of young kids are being told that they can transition, when in reality, they have other underlying issues that we should address.

00:15:17.000 Depression, trauma, anxiety, or they're on the autism spectrum disorder, and they get mislabeled on whether a TikTok video or some sort of other thing makes them feel as if they might have a transgender issue when they very well might have other issues that need to be addressed.

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00:16:38.000 I just had a quick question for you two since you guys had pretty strong positions on this. 0.87

00:16:42.000 Can men get pregnant? 1.00

00:16:45.000 Oh, grid one motorsports donated $200. 0.92

00:16:49.000 If we want to talk numbers, then honesty requires we first admit that gender dysphoria is a mental condition which should be treated first before any physical treatments are given. 0.87

00:17:00.000 Accuracy matters. 0.94

00:17:01.000 All right, Grid 1 Motorsports.

00:17:03.000 They no longer call it gender dysphoria, unfortunately.

00:17:05.000 I just want to actually make your argument for you.

00:17:08.000 They don't even call it a medical condition.

00:17:10.000 They call it, I actually don't even know what it's actually called.

00:17:13.000 Gender dysphoria used to be the clinical term.

00:17:16.000 But they've changed it since.

00:17:18.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:17:19.000 But I can go deeper into that.

00:17:20.000 The old way we used to treat this is called watchful waiting, where we believed that puberty was the solution, not the problem. 0.68

00:17:26.000 And almost every single case, and Europe was actually the pioneer of this, is that when you allow puberty to play its course, these individuals, they might end up being lesbian or gay, but not transgender. 0.56

00:17:36.000 And that's a completely different thing that doesn't require hormones or eventually antidepressants on top of it.

00:17:41.000 I'm sorry, Pixie, you're going to say something.

00:17:43.000 Yeah, my question was: can men get pregnant? 0.99

00:17:47.000 Two things. 0.62

00:17:48.000 I would say if you're a biological male, if we're going to define male through biology or whatever, then no.

00:17:54.000 I do want to push back on some things that I heard earlier.

00:17:57.000 Before you do that, go ahead.

00:17:58.000 Erin, do you have an answer to that?

00:18:00.000 I would say yes, because anybody who has a uterus has the capacity to give birth. 1.00

00:18:04.000 So for example, a trans guy who gets pregnant, yes, would be a man who is pregnant. 0.63

00:18:09.000 But if you're talking about a man who is assigned man at birth and does not have a uterus, then no, he doesn't have the ability to get pregnant. 0.64

00:18:15.000 You look at me like I'm crazy or what?

00:18:16.000 Do you disagree?

00:18:18.000 But a lot of women are. 1.00

00:18:19.000 So do you want to know why young men are going away from the left?

00:18:22.000 That's why young men are leaving the left.

00:18:24.000 Why?

00:18:25.000 Why?

00:18:26.000 Because what you just said is...

00:18:27.000 Because they're uncomfortable acknowledging reality. 0.93

00:18:29.000 That some trans men can get pregnant. 1.00

00:18:31.000 What you just said is at war with reality and massacre.

00:18:35.000 I mean, a lot of women can't get pregnant either. 1.00

00:18:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:39.000 It is just a question.

00:18:41.000 I'll let you come in in just a sec, Pixie.

00:18:44.000 Which one of you referenced chromosomes?

00:18:47.000 Well, you said, like, oh, you didn't check our chromosomes, right?

00:18:51.000 Well, people understood what a woman was before chromosomes were discovered. 1.00

00:18:57.000 So the definition does not require this type of abstraction.

00:19:01.000 People understood what a woman was on the basis of the societal norms at the time, generally speaking, right? 0.66

00:19:07.000 Well, it's more precisely about like the gonads. 0.77

00:19:09.000 If you're at any point in your life going to produce large gametes, then you're a woman. 0.87

00:19:16.000 They, how society, at least most societies as well, outside of like Western as well, but even Western, we can make this argument. 0.54

00:19:24.000 What they would look at is the way that a person is like necessarily performing.

00:19:27.000 So what is their role?

00:19:28.000 That's why you have the idea of like non-binary, third gender, et cetera, et cetera, because there have been people also who have not performed their role as a male or female.

00:19:36.000 So they're put into the third category, third sex, whatever. 0.76

00:19:40.000 So I would argue that for the vast majority of human histories and societies, what they look at is what is your performance.

00:19:48.000 And that maps on to what we do now because we don't really look at biology.

00:19:52.000 We look how people act.

00:19:54.000 And that's why, let me finish.

00:19:55.000 Go ahead. 0.52

00:19:56.000 That's why we also, the terms less manly, he's less of a man than him, or she's not that womanly, make sense.

00:20:03.000 If gender was truly a binary, those words would make no sense.

00:20:06.000 It would be like cat and not cat.

00:20:08.000 That doesn't, you can't have a in-between, really.

00:20:11.000 And the same thing applies for gender.

00:20:13.000 There is a spectrum there.

00:20:14.000 That's why the words less womanly, more womanly, more manly, less manly, make sense to us.

00:20:19.000 And all of those things are fluid throughout time.

00:20:21.000 Like what constituted like masculine tendencies or behaviors will be different now than it was several years ago.

00:20:26.000 Or even like things like colors.

00:20:28.000 Like, for example, pink used to be considered a masculine color. 1.00

00:20:31.000 Pink is no longer really considered a masculine color.

00:20:33.000 It's considered a feminine color. 0.98

00:20:34.000 So there was never anything inherently masculine about the color blue or the color pink or anything like that.

00:20:39.000 That could always change at any given point in time.

00:20:41.000 Do you think that male brains and female brains or men and women brains are different, wired differently?

00:20:47.000 There are differences between male and female brains, but I believe it's a matter of like statistical averages of like gray matter. 0.81

00:20:54.000 There's not going to be like distinct anatomical features that differentiate a female brain from a male brain. 0.97

00:20:59.000 Really?

00:21:00.000 Yeah, no.

00:21:00.000 You really think that?

00:21:01.000 Well, no, it's proven, like scientifically.

00:21:04.000 Yes, it is.

00:21:05.000 When we take a brain scan of a male and female, the average doctor can't look and be like, that is a male brain right there. 0.94

00:21:11.000 Not true.

00:21:11.000 No, no, hold on.

00:21:12.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:21:12.000 If you do a spect scan, okay, if you do a spec scan, you can see what parts of the brain light up.

00:21:17.000 And in a woman, the basal ganglia and the amygdala is far more active, which is the inner thought matrix. 0.77

00:21:24.000 Women have a far busier inner thought life than men do. 0.99

00:21:27.000 Would you guys agree with that? 1.00

00:21:29.000 Right.

00:21:29.000 I was going to say it's very well.

00:21:30.000 So that's not true.

00:21:31.000 It's very well known. 0.96

00:21:32.000 Men generally are more on the logical side of things and women are more on the emotional side of things.

00:21:39.000 And I think that has a big role, or the way that our brains are wired has a big role to play. 0.51

00:21:43.000 I'm not saying that if you took babies who were completely unmolded, that their brains would look different.

00:21:48.000 But I think as we age, living in the gender that we are given, our brains become attuned to certain things.

00:21:59.000 And that's why parts of our brain.

00:22:00.000 Yeah, like piggybacking off of that point, I don't doubt that the studies that you looked at did find differences in brain mapping scans between men and women, but the key thing is that they looked at men and women.

00:22:09.000 So that's already a brain that's been subjected to a lifetime, or not a lifetime, but like decades-long socialization.

00:22:14.000 So that socialization is going to impact it.

00:22:16.000 If you looked at a brain scan of infants, for example, like a male infant and a female infant, it would be like how much, how different would it really look?

00:22:25.000 Do you think it would look significantly different?

00:22:26.000 No, it's not even close.

00:22:27.000 Of course, it's different.

00:22:28.000 And I could prove it to you in two ways. 0.66

00:22:29.000 But the first one, do you guys know the John Money gender experiment?

00:22:33.000 So, okay, really quick, John Money, who is a total creep, he believed that this is before we mapped the human genome.

00:22:39.000 Okay, this is before we even knew about chromosomes.

00:22:41.000 He said that men and women are blank slates at birth, and he said that they're formed through the toys we give them, the colors we appropriate to them, and they're blank slates.

00:22:50.000 There was these identical twins.

00:22:52.000 One of the twins burns themselves terribly in the genitals, and he said, raise that twin as a girl.

00:22:57.000 And basically, his entire life he was tortured and awful, awful story.

00:23:01.000 Eventually rebelled against John Money. 0.99

00:23:03.000 And this twin eventually was told that, hey, you were born a boy, but raised as a girl and even had a vagina put onto you artificially. 1.00

00:23:10.000 And he was like, instead of being mad, he was relieved because he said, I knew I was a boy all along.

00:23:14.000 So there's no clinical evidence to support that.

00:23:16.000 Secondly, though, it's a funnier one, okay?

00:23:18.000 Do you hear me out?

00:23:19.000 And I think this will resonate with all of you.

00:23:21.000 Harvard University locked a group of men in a room alone, 100 of them, and a group of women in a room alone, okay?

00:23:26.000 And they said, what did you think about for 30 minutes?

00:23:29.000 The men, no surprise, sex and sports.

00:23:31.000 The young ladies, what did they think of for 30 minutes? 1.00

00:23:34.000 They replayed conversations that they had in the last couple of days.

00:23:38.000 True.

00:23:38.000 For the record, a man has never replayed conversations that they've had.

00:23:44.000 Did we do that?

00:23:46.000 Our brains are different, everybody.

00:23:48.000 Do you really not do that?

00:23:48.000 I feel like I'm over the middle.

00:23:49.000 No, of course not.

00:23:50.000 You don't think about occasions.

00:23:51.000 You've never had like a shower argument or like shower thoughts or anything like that.

00:23:55.000 No, that's not society, my friend.

00:23:57.000 That is biology.

00:23:59.000 You are wired to have those rethoughts.

00:24:01.000 We aren't.

00:24:01.000 It's not a learned behavior.

00:24:02.000 It's not about dolls.

00:24:03.000 It's not about dresses.

00:24:05.000 Our biology, our brains are made differently.

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00:25:13.000 I don't think anyone is speeding that we have like different things.

00:25:15.000 We don't replay any conversations ever.

00:25:17.000 You've never done that.

00:25:19.000 Am I trans?

00:25:20.000 Because sometimes I will.

00:25:23.000 You got to go on hand.

00:25:24.000 Very rarely, though.

00:25:25.000 Very rarely, sometimes occasionally.

00:25:27.000 Men are very forward-thinking.

00:25:29.000 What is next?

00:25:30.000 The job, the interview, tomorrow.

00:25:32.000 And not saying women aren't. 0.71

00:25:34.000 Women are very reflective. 0.88

00:25:35.000 That's why females are better at poetry. 1.00

00:25:39.000 Women are better at the more relational type aspects of being a nurse or an elementary school teacher. 1.00

00:25:44.000 Again, that's not learned behavior.

00:25:46.000 There is a biological element to it.

00:25:49.000 And it starts with, we don't even understand the brain as much as we can.

00:25:52.000 We understand like 1% of 1% of it.

00:25:54.000 But I think that study, and your reaction affirms it, because if I had a group of men around you, what do you think of when you're alone?

00:25:59.000 Like, I just think of the NFC championship game, the stock market, and all the women I've been with are the women I want to be with.

00:26:05.000 It's a little different.

00:26:06.000 Do you think if they had conducted the study in a different country that the men and women would have given these same answers?

00:26:12.000 Yes, I think that these things are universal.

00:26:16.000 And I mean, I can't say to that, that would be my speculation, that the men in Iran are thinking about soccer and Persian women, and the women are thinking about, you know, what's going on in their local neighborhood.

00:26:28.000 These things transcend continent, they transcend culture.

00:26:31.000 And we know that because one of the arguments that you were making is that, well, you know, at the fundamental root, these are learned and active, you know, these are put on by Western society.

00:26:39.000 But you go into African villages, like very poor third-world African villages, they don't even have a term for transgender. 0.91

00:26:46.000 The idea that a man can become a woman or a woman can become man, this is a uniquely Western phenomenon that is born out of the academy, born out of college, that I will say, and I think we could agree, is largely, they prey on people that have other underlying issues, and then it gets built on top of that. 0.95

00:27:03.000 Autism spectrum disorder, depression, anxiety, some other sort of bipolar schizophrenia, trauma, things of that nature. 0.97

00:27:10.000 There's a couple of things to push back here.

00:27:13.000 Brian.

00:27:13.000 If you can, quick.

00:27:14.000 I don't know.

00:27:14.000 If you can.

00:27:15.000 I don't think monopolizing.

00:27:16.000 I'm sorry, Priscilla.

00:27:16.000 No, it's okay.

00:27:18.000 There's a couple of things.

00:27:19.000 I do want to push back on that because there are communities and cultures that we could search up right now in China, India, various Native American histories that have recognized the idea of third gender or outside gender that doesn't fit into this binary.

00:27:32.000 So I wouldn't say it's just Western.

00:27:33.000 And then on top of that.

00:27:34.000 Wait, let me answer.

00:27:35.000 No, but no, no, please continue.

00:27:37.000 You are right.

00:27:38.000 I can address that at length.

00:27:39.000 I don't think it's fruitful.

00:27:40.000 Keep going.

00:27:41.000 You're not wrong.

00:27:41.000 And then, on top of that, you gave a case study.

00:27:43.000 I kind of want to give a case study back.

00:27:45.000 NPR did an article on this.

00:27:47.000 I can't remember the name.

00:27:48.000 But basically, it was about a person who felt gender fluid.

00:27:51.000 And when they felt like they were a man and they did things like spatial recognition or other tests regarding that, they would score like a man does, like higher than most women.

00:28:01.000 But when they got into the mindset of being a woman, they would score higher in woman-related tasks. 1.00

00:28:06.000 So, yeah, it does come back. 0.62

00:28:07.000 You're saying, like, this is all predisposed biology, biology, biology. 0.80

00:28:10.000 But there might be something to be said about, like, oh no, if you're thinking like a man, the mindset of a man, maybe that's more in tune with certain ways of thinking versus thinking like a woman.

00:28:20.000 That doesn't mean it's all 100% biological basis.

00:28:22.000 It means that, like, hey, if you're raised to think in a certain pattern, you're going to perform in that pattern.

00:28:27.000 I agree.

00:28:27.000 I mean, if a society, a society can mold you, of course, but you're dealing with very powerful raw material that's underestimated in the current cultural conversation.

00:28:36.000 And you can only guide that raw material so much.

00:28:38.000 So let me ask another hypothetical.

00:28:40.000 I'll just tell you: if I sit down with men, what do they always talk about?

00:28:44.000 They talk about macro concepts, big things, stock market, sports, you know, things that are very, you know, like, let's just say bigger than an individual.

00:28:52.000 Women, if you sit down, they'll talk a lot about conversations or relationships. 1.00

00:28:55.000 They're kids, very micro. 0.99

00:28:57.000 This, you know, one of the reasons why men and women's brains are different and they continue to be different is there's different skill sets. 0.95

00:29:03.000 And I think we can all acknowledge that. 0.92

00:29:04.000 Like, men are better at some things than women, and women are better at some things than men.

00:29:07.000 I don't know why that is wildly common.

00:29:09.000 Which the way that you frame it is like, oh, women are awesome at like small talk and like sewing or whatever, and then men are just awesome at like the stock market and being social media.

00:29:17.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:29:19.000 But hold on.

00:29:20.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:29:21.000 Why is it that the International Chess Foundation doesn't want biological men who believe they are women to compete with women?

00:29:29.000 They say that will not allow trans men into the female category.

00:29:32.000 Why is that?

00:29:33.000 I can't speak to that, but I'm just if you're going to talk about like representation being the thing that lets you know that oh, men are obviously smarter, you could break this down for race.

00:29:41.000 I never said smarter.

00:29:42.000 I never said smarter.

00:29:43.000 I said different.

00:29:44.000 Then different.

00:29:45.000 Okay, then we could say this.

00:29:46.000 My wife does things with my child that I can't even dream of doing, such as having an intuition, compassion, empathy.

00:29:54.000 She can operate on 30 minutes of sleep.

00:29:56.000 I need eight hours or else I'm like a diet.

00:29:58.000 Don't underestimate yourself, Charlie.

00:29:59.000 I think you're stuck.

00:30:00.000 No, hold on. 1.00

00:30:02.000 Women have a different giftedness, I believe, given by God, that is completely different. 1.00

00:30:06.000 Men, I never said smarter.

00:30:08.000 In fact, a woman's intuition is far better than my intuition.

00:30:10.000 I trust my wife's gut when it comes to people, when it comes to relationships, and she leans on me for investments or politics. 1.00

00:30:19.000 We are given different gifting.

00:30:20.000 Now, with that being said, some women have a gifting in that direction. 1.00

00:30:23.000 Those are the exception, though.

00:30:25.000 There is a general rule, and the general rule is that women are far more gifted at people and caretaking and the intimate. 1.00

00:30:32.000 I don't mean that demeaning or derogatory. 0.97

00:30:34.000 I never used the word smarter or dumber that you might be inferred. 0.61

00:30:37.000 Oh, thank you, Molly.

00:30:38.000 No, I actually very much agree with what you're saying.

00:30:42.000 Me personally, I mean, sexuality is a big part of my life.

00:30:46.000 And I think what you're saying actually really ties into a lot of like sexuality because it's the man's role to be, you know, kind of like the, I mean, if you're talking like the nuclear family, you know, it's like the man's role to kind of be the governing force of the family, take care of everything on the outside, take care of, you know, the finances, the stocks, all of that, and to kind of be the rock for all of the little things that the woman has to go through during the day.

00:31:15.000 Just all the little conversations, all the things that she has to deal with that you're not there.

00:31:18.000 And I think that, you know, it's a really beautiful thing, like yin and yang, you know, like there's parts of men that complement women, and there's parts of women that complement men. 0.50

00:31:30.000 And the best thing is, is there's things that women can do that men cannot, and there's things that men can do that women cannot.

00:31:36.000 I think that the issue is we try and figure out who's better, who's more powerful, who gets to say what happens.

00:31:44.000 And I think that that's really dividing.

00:31:47.000 And the beauty comes when you kind of bring those skills together.

00:31:51.000 That's wonderfully said, Molly.

00:31:53.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:31:54.000 Everybody, email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:31:56.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 31, 2024

Can Anyone On the Left Define "Woman?"

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