What is a woman? What is a man? What does it mean to be a woman, and why does it matter? How can we define what a woman is if we don't know what a man is?
00:00:00.000Hey everybody, another part of the conversation I had in Santa Barbara, California for the Whatever podcast.
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00:02:40.000Okay, but the problem with that is that I didn't check your chromosomes before coming in here and calling you a man, and you didn't check my chromosomes before coming in here or genitals.
00:03:20.000So then can you give me an objective, a functional, utilitarian, any sort of biological definition of what a woman is?
00:03:26.000Because how can we debate feminism if we can't agree what a woman is?
00:03:30.000I don't, I would even like, I feel like Pixie's definition absolutely satisfies the definition of what constitutes womanhood, but I would define it only slightly differently, which is that it's a person who performs a set of social roles that are typically associated with feminine characteristics, but not necessarily because there are even cis women who fall outside of this, and we still consider them women nonetheless.
00:03:53.000Like Butch Lesbians, for example, are women that exhibit very masculine characteristics, but nonetheless, society understands them to be women.
00:04:00.000I find cis to be a very offensive word, by the way.
00:04:03.000I don't know how you feel about the cistern.
00:04:06.000I think it's hate speech, to be honest.
00:04:08.000I didn't mean to trigger you, but I would have given you a trigger warning before if I had.
00:04:12.000Do you think anyone can become a woman?
00:07:53.000It's a 1960s clinical term largely made out of the academy of John Loney and Alfred Kinsey and many postmodern child psychiatrists, many of whom, by the way, were not really great people, but we don't have to go into that.
00:08:05.000But gender is a new term of the last 50 or 60 years.
00:08:22.000Well, yeah, the goal, or what used to be the case, is the vast, vast, vast majority, 99.9% of all people, their biology and their reality, or how they viewed their reality, I should say, were in alignment.
00:09:41.000People are told that they can become something they can't.
00:09:45.000So they go on a very, very damaging, self-destructive pattern of medical interventions that even if you're pro-trans, you have to acknowledge that hysterectomy at age 17 is not exactly an easy surgery.
00:09:59.000I don't think anyone at 17 should be altering their body.
00:10:31.000But we don't know the exact numbers, but an estimate is anywhere between 10 to 15,000 minors and is growing are currently receiving monthly doses of hormone replacement theory, estrogenic therapy.
00:10:43.000Yeah, but you can stop those and be like...
00:11:24.000That if you can't answer it, or at the very least say that you should allow minors to become adults before they make these decisions, then, and this is not a small thing, the quote-unquote gender-affirming care, we know that in California you have to be 18 years old to get a tattoo.
00:11:38.000And yet 14-year-olds can go to what we call a doctor and get a highly aggressive hormone replacement therapy treatment, sometimes without even notifying their parent.
00:11:48.000And all of these are ramifications of the inability to answer very simple biological questions.
00:11:54.000I would be interested in seeing your exact study or citation for when it comes to puberty blockers because I know a lot of people, or not a lot of people, there's a lot of people who end up on puberty blockers, not because they're necessarily trans, but because they're going through puberty too early.
00:12:08.000And there are clear negative side effects and consequences of, let's say, a 10-year-old girl getting her bravery.
00:12:59.000She's a clinician and a physician, not just someone who writes abstract medical journals.
00:13:04.000And she is one of the most outspoken people against what is called gender-affirming care.
00:13:08.000And she's treating hundreds of kids that are now.
00:13:11.000So I know detransitioners exist, but what do you say to the thousands of trans people that actually report happiness and being healthy after they receive gender-affirming care?
00:13:20.000Don't doubt that in the short term, testosterone therapy from someone who has a fair amount of testosterone, it can make you feel confident.
00:13:28.000It can make you feel better in your skin.
00:14:31.000Well, for example, I mean, when they were giving monoclonal antibodies in the city of New York, they were prioritizing people based on the color of their skin.
00:14:39.000Black individuals in New York got monoclonal antibodies above their white counterparts.
00:14:42.000Was it based on the color of their skin or like maybe their background related to like their socioeconomic status?
00:14:48.000But I don't want to get too deep into that rabbit hole.
00:14:50.000But the point that I'm just trying to make is that in medicine in particular, you must have a cautious approach, even if there were pluses and positives, which might very well be true.
00:14:58.000If there's even a 1%, a 2% adverse event, you pull the drug immediately because you first do no harm.
00:15:04.000If there's something that is actively damaging a society, and it's now a certifiable fact that we see thousands of young kids are being told that they can transition, when in reality, they have other underlying issues that we should address.
00:15:17.000Depression, trauma, anxiety, or they're on the autism spectrum disorder, and they get mislabeled on whether a TikTok video or some sort of other thing makes them feel as if they might have a transgender issue when they very well might have other issues that need to be addressed.
00:15:33.000One in 27 men are young boys are autistic.
00:16:45.000Oh, grid one motorsports donated $200.
00:16:49.000If we want to talk numbers, then honesty requires we first admit that gender dysphoria is a mental condition which should be treated first before any physical treatments are given.
00:17:20.000The old way we used to treat this is called watchful waiting, where we believed that puberty was the solution, not the problem.
00:17:26.000And almost every single case, and Europe was actually the pioneer of this, is that when you allow puberty to play its course, these individuals, they might end up being lesbian or gay, but not transgender.
00:17:36.000And that's a completely different thing that doesn't require hormones or eventually antidepressants on top of it.
00:17:41.000I'm sorry, Pixie, you're going to say something.
00:17:43.000Yeah, my question was: can men get pregnant?
00:18:00.000I would say yes, because anybody who has a uterus has the capacity to give birth.
00:18:04.000So for example, a trans guy who gets pregnant, yes, would be a man who is pregnant.
00:18:09.000But if you're talking about a man who is assigned man at birth and does not have a uterus, then no, he doesn't have the ability to get pregnant.
00:18:15.000You look at me like I'm crazy or what?
00:19:28.000That's why you have the idea of like non-binary, third gender, et cetera, et cetera, because there have been people also who have not performed their role as a male or female.
00:19:36.000So they're put into the third category, third sex, whatever.
00:19:40.000So I would argue that for the vast majority of human histories and societies, what they look at is what is your performance.
00:19:48.000And that maps on to what we do now because we don't really look at biology.
00:22:00.000Yeah, like piggybacking off of that point, I don't doubt that the studies that you looked at did find differences in brain mapping scans between men and women, but the key thing is that they looked at men and women.
00:22:09.000So that's already a brain that's been subjected to a lifetime, or not a lifetime, but like decades-long socialization.
00:22:14.000So that socialization is going to impact it.
00:22:16.000If you looked at a brain scan of infants, for example, like a male infant and a female infant, it would be like how much, how different would it really look?
00:22:25.000Do you think it would look significantly different?
00:22:28.000And I could prove it to you in two ways.
00:22:29.000But the first one, do you guys know the John Money gender experiment?
00:22:33.000So, okay, really quick, John Money, who is a total creep, he believed that this is before we mapped the human genome.
00:22:39.000Okay, this is before we even knew about chromosomes.
00:22:41.000He said that men and women are blank slates at birth, and he said that they're formed through the toys we give them, the colors we appropriate to them, and they're blank slates.
00:24:14.000We had last month saving babies with pre-born by providing ultrasounds.
00:24:18.000And we're doing again this year what we did last year.
00:24:20.000We're going to stand for life because remaining silent in the face of the most radically pro-death administration is not an option.
00:24:25.000As Sir Edmund Burke said, the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing, and we're not going to do nothing.
00:24:31.000Your gift to pre-born will give a girl the truth about what's happening in her body so that she can make the right choice.
00:26:06.000Do you think if they had conducted the study in a different country that the men and women would have given these same answers?
00:26:12.000Yes, I think that these things are universal.
00:26:16.000And I mean, I can't say to that, that would be my speculation, that the men in Iran are thinking about soccer and Persian women, and the women are thinking about, you know, what's going on in their local neighborhood.
00:26:28.000These things transcend continent, they transcend culture.
00:26:31.000And we know that because one of the arguments that you were making is that, well, you know, at the fundamental root, these are learned and active, you know, these are put on by Western society.
00:26:39.000But you go into African villages, like very poor third-world African villages, they don't even have a term for transgender.
00:26:46.000The idea that a man can become a woman or a woman can become man, this is a uniquely Western phenomenon that is born out of the academy, born out of college, that I will say, and I think we could agree, is largely, they prey on people that have other underlying issues, and then it gets built on top of that.
00:27:03.000Autism spectrum disorder, depression, anxiety, some other sort of bipolar schizophrenia, trauma, things of that nature.
00:27:10.000There's a couple of things to push back here.
00:27:19.000I do want to push back on that because there are communities and cultures that we could search up right now in China, India, various Native American histories that have recognized the idea of third gender or outside gender that doesn't fit into this binary.
00:27:48.000But basically, it was about a person who felt gender fluid.
00:27:51.000And when they felt like they were a man and they did things like spatial recognition or other tests regarding that, they would score like a man does, like higher than most women.
00:28:01.000But when they got into the mindset of being a woman, they would score higher in woman-related tasks.
00:28:07.000You're saying, like, this is all predisposed biology, biology, biology.
00:28:10.000But there might be something to be said about, like, oh no, if you're thinking like a man, the mindset of a man, maybe that's more in tune with certain ways of thinking versus thinking like a woman.
00:28:20.000That doesn't mean it's all 100% biological basis.
00:28:22.000It means that, like, hey, if you're raised to think in a certain pattern, you're going to perform in that pattern.
00:28:27.000I mean, if a society, a society can mold you, of course, but you're dealing with very powerful raw material that's underestimated in the current cultural conversation.
00:28:36.000And you can only guide that raw material so much.
00:28:40.000I'll just tell you: if I sit down with men, what do they always talk about?
00:28:44.000They talk about macro concepts, big things, stock market, sports, you know, things that are very, you know, like, let's just say bigger than an individual.
00:28:52.000Women, if you sit down, they'll talk a lot about conversations or relationships.
00:28:57.000This, you know, one of the reasons why men and women's brains are different and they continue to be different is there's different skill sets.
00:29:03.000And I think we can all acknowledge that.
00:29:04.000Like, men are better at some things than women, and women are better at some things than men.
00:29:07.000I don't know why that is wildly common.
00:29:09.000Which the way that you frame it is like, oh, women are awesome at like small talk and like sewing or whatever, and then men are just awesome at like the stock market and being social media.
00:29:33.000I can't speak to that, but I'm just if you're going to talk about like representation being the thing that lets you know that oh, men are obviously smarter, you could break this down for race.
00:30:38.000No, I actually very much agree with what you're saying.
00:30:42.000Me personally, I mean, sexuality is a big part of my life.
00:30:46.000And I think what you're saying actually really ties into a lot of like sexuality because it's the man's role to be, you know, kind of like the, I mean, if you're talking like the nuclear family, you know, it's like the man's role to kind of be the governing force of the family, take care of everything on the outside, take care of, you know, the finances, the stocks, all of that, and to kind of be the rock for all of the little things that the woman has to go through during the day.
00:31:15.000Just all the little conversations, all the things that she has to deal with that you're not there.
00:31:18.000And I think that, you know, it's a really beautiful thing, like yin and yang, you know, like there's parts of men that complement women, and there's parts of women that complement men.
00:31:30.000And the best thing is, is there's things that women can do that men cannot, and there's things that men can do that women cannot.
00:31:36.000I think that the issue is we try and figure out who's better, who's more powerful, who gets to say what happens.
00:31:44.000And I think that that's really dividing.
00:31:47.000And the beauty comes when you kind of bring those skills together.