The Charlie Kirk Show - September 06, 2020


Can California Turn Red with Pastor Rob McCoy


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Pastor Rob McCoy has been fighting the governor for years to keep his church open in Thousand Oaks, California. He s been threatened with fines of up to $30,000 per day, and is now facing a court case that could see him go to trial for contempt of court.

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00:00:08.000 Hey, everybody.
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00:00:10.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, exclusive conversation between Pastor Rob McCoy and I.
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00:00:43.000 Can California turn red?
00:00:46.000 You will love this answer in this conversation, everybody.
00:00:48.000 Buckle up.
00:00:49.000 Here we go.
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00:00:57.000 He's an incredible guy.
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00:01:07.000 Hey, everybody.
00:01:08.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:10.000 I am rejoined by my pastor, Rob McCoy.
00:01:12.000 Hey, Rob.
00:01:13.000 Hey, Charlie.
00:01:14.000 Rob is the pastor at Calvary Chapel Thousand Oaks.
00:01:18.000 He has heroically kept his church open during all this nonsense.
00:01:22.000 I have said, if your church has not yet opened, find a new church.
00:01:25.000 And Rob has kept his church open.
00:01:27.000 He's under massive amounts of backlash from the county.
00:01:30.000 Give us an update.
00:01:32.000 Well, we had our hearing, which was contempt violation.
00:01:38.000 They had an emergency temporary restraining order that a judge had awarded the county.
00:01:43.000 And we papered that judge and got a new judge.
00:01:46.000 And then Judge O'Neill fined us $3,000 and then postponed our hearing to the end of September.
00:01:54.000 And we're putting together our expert witnesses for the trial.
00:01:56.000 So we are in contempt.
00:01:58.000 We're still in violation of the restraining order.
00:02:02.000 So we'll see what happens.
00:02:03.000 Our trial's coming up at the end of this month.
00:02:05.000 So you're fully open and fully open.
00:02:08.000 A lot of Christians listen to this podcast.
00:02:10.000 They say, my pastor doesn't get it.
00:02:11.000 What do they do?
00:02:12.000 Yeah.
00:02:13.000 Well, when you said open your church, the interesting thing is our church went from 400 on a good Sunday to over 2,500.
00:02:21.000 People are hungry for leadership.
00:02:22.000 And I would encourage pastors out there, open your church.
00:02:25.000 And you think, well, we're stealing congregants from other congregations.
00:02:28.000 That's not the case.
00:02:29.000 The people who are coming are people who wouldn't darken the doors of a church.
00:02:32.000 They're wondering who's going to lead them out of this draconian misery that the governor has placed on them.
00:02:38.000 And even good pastors that I really appreciate who have been trying to abide by the governor's rules, the governor just moved the goalpost.
00:02:45.000 So we went from six boxes that we had to fill in a county, and we had fulfilled five of the six.
00:02:50.000 And the six box was, you know, semantics.
00:02:52.000 We'd already really covered it.
00:02:54.000 And then the governor just does this color-coded thing and now puts us in the worst category, purple.
00:03:00.000 And even these pastors who are trying to abide by the governor standards, they're not going to be able to occupy their building until late fall, early winter.
00:03:07.000 And even if they did everything to the best of their ability, they could only have 50% occupancy of their facility if they get to the yellow, which is the fourth box.
00:03:16.000 And it's not going to happen.
00:03:18.000 The governor has no interest.
00:03:19.000 He doesn't consider the church essential.
00:03:21.000 And we have to push back.
00:03:23.000 So why are so few pastors fighting back?
00:03:26.000 So few churches reopening?
00:03:28.000 Yeah, I think they hoped for the best from the governor, but now they're starting to realize the governor has no interest in the church.
00:03:34.000 And now they're starting to awaken.
00:03:36.000 At one point, we were kind of the tip of the spear in regards to opening, but hundreds of churches are opening in California.
00:03:42.000 We had the C3 churches with Pastor Jürgen Mathesius. 0.74
00:03:46.000 Those C3 churches open.
00:03:48.000 John MacArthur's open. 1.00
00:03:49.000 Jack Hibbs has been open.
00:03:50.000 Mike McClure's up in San Jose.
00:03:51.000 He's getting beat up.
00:03:52.000 They've got $30,000 in fines that the county up there is assessing on them.
00:03:58.000 And another Baptist pastor in Santa Clara.
00:04:00.000 But pastors are opening up all around.
00:04:02.000 Even in Ventura, we've had at least three churches that I know of who've joined us in opening.
00:04:06.000 So it's starting to awaken.
00:04:08.000 But what do you say to people that are all across the country, not just California?
00:04:12.000 I get so many messages.
00:04:13.000 Charlie, you've really helped lead me to Christ and lead us to the right path, but my pastor won't open.
00:04:19.000 Yeah, and the pastors are going to realize, I would say, like you said, go find another church and vote with your feet.
00:04:27.000 Because, you know, going to church via the internet is like watching a fireplace on your computer screen.
00:04:33.000 There's no warmth.
00:04:34.000 And, you know, Hebrews 10 says, do not forsake fellowshiping with the saints.
00:04:38.000 This is critical.
00:04:39.000 And the church is essential, especially in time of pandemic.
00:04:41.000 And I want to say to the listeners, the viewers, that we've been open since May 31st.
00:04:46.000 We haven't had a single case of COVID.
00:04:49.000 If you're worried about COVID, we've got ionization machines and UV lights in our air systems, and we wash our hands.
00:04:55.000 There's no social distancing, no masks, because there's no empirical data to support that.
00:05:00.000 And they're trying to muzzle the church.
00:05:02.000 Liberty is not man's idea.
00:05:04.000 It's God's idea.
00:05:05.000 We need to lead folks and be the instrument of that and set the captives free.
00:05:10.000 So I would say to folks attending a church that is unwilling to open, find a church that is and go attend.
00:05:16.000 Why are pastors so afraid of the state?
00:05:19.000 You know, Love Hope's All Things.
00:05:21.000 I've told you this.
00:05:22.000 I don't know that they're afraid of the state.
00:05:23.000 I get this question all the time.
00:05:24.000 That's why I'm asking you.
00:05:25.000 Yeah.
00:05:26.000 I don't know that they're afraid of the state as much as they want to be peacemakers.
00:05:32.000 They don't like conflict.
00:05:33.000 And that's the nature of most pastors.
00:05:35.000 But they're starting to realize that this governor, especially in California, and I can say other states around the country, this governor has no interest in the church.
00:05:44.000 This is, in my estimation, it's diabolical and it's draconian.
00:05:48.000 He wants to shut the church down.
00:05:51.000 So, pastors, you may have, Love Hope's All Things, you may have the best of intentions and believe the most in the governor.
00:05:59.000 But I can tell you as a previously elected official, I knew this from the beginning.
00:06:03.000 The governor is not interested in your church surviving.
00:06:06.000 It's time to open up and push back.
00:06:08.000 And it's happening all across the country.
00:06:10.000 Christians are in a state of confusion right now where they say, my church won't open.
00:06:15.000 It's been six months.
00:06:16.000 They're saying, let's wait another couple months.
00:06:18.000 Some churches have gone completely virtual.
00:06:19.000 Andy Stanley did a live stream where he said the church shouldn't open.
00:06:25.000 I don't know Andy Stanley.
00:06:27.000 I can't make a comment on him as an individual, but the position he's taking, I would contend fervently.
00:06:32.000 I would be willing to debate him on that.
00:06:36.000 I think that is the wrong message to be sending to the church in America.
00:06:42.000 The absolute wrong message.
00:06:44.000 So you guys are flourishing like never before.
00:06:46.000 Absolutely.
00:06:47.000 And they say, well, you know, we want to protect the preaching of the gospel.
00:06:52.000 Well, you know, the gospel is the most important thing, but the second most important thing is protecting the government that protects the preaching of that gospel, which you continually said, Charlie.
00:07:01.000 You have been an advocate for freedom.
00:07:03.000 More importantly, liberty.
00:07:05.000 Freedom comes when you establish liberty.
00:07:07.000 The Apostle Paul said, stand fast therefore in the liberty for which Christ has set you free.
00:07:10.000 He said that in prison.
00:07:12.000 And then here we are enjoying freedom, but we have to exercise that liberty for the sake of our congregants because, again, where the Spirit of the Lord is, there's liberty.
00:07:22.000 And if the church isn't going to stand upon that, an oligarchy, whether it's fascism, communism, any ism where the few rule the many, they're going to shut the church down because that's the one entity that declares that our rights don't come from man.
00:07:37.000 They come from God.
00:07:38.000 These are inalienable rights.
00:07:39.000 And I believe we are called to confront tyranny.
00:07:41.000 And one example of this is Moses confronting Pharaoh.
00:07:44.000 And Moses wasn't exactly the most charismatic person.
00:07:44.000 Yep.
00:07:47.000 Well, he was at one point in his life in the first 40 years, but then the second 40 years, he became this tongue-twisted.
00:07:53.000 Yeah, tongue-twisted, kind of like Jim and Taxi or whatever the guy's name is.
00:07:57.000 That's why he had Aaron.
00:07:58.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:07:59.000 He had a sidekick who spoke for him.
00:08:00.000 But when he goes to Pharaoh and he says, God says, let my people go.
00:08:04.000 Pharaoh says, who is God that I should obey him?
00:08:06.000 That's how all these folks, you know, Governor Newsom, I don't know his faith background, if there is one, but I do know that he has no interest in anything being essential in regards to the church.
00:08:19.000 Well, it's a perfect story, Moses Pharaoh, I think, for what we're going through right now, because it's a contention of who's the actual authority in the story.
00:08:26.000 And Moses was saying, There's actually an authority above you.
00:08:29.000 And it was hard for Moses to get his words right and to look at him in the eye.
00:08:33.000 And that could be, that's true on the micro level.
00:08:34.000 It's true on the macro level.
00:08:36.000 That when you have oppression that supersedes God in a society, you must stand up against it.
00:08:41.000 Exactly.
00:08:42.000 I mean, they were contending for the three to five million Jews that were enslaved by Pharaoh.
00:08:46.000 And God said, let my people go.
00:08:47.000 Liberty.
00:08:48.000 Liberty.
00:08:49.000 And that was the whole contention.
00:08:51.000 I mean, this is the longest-running family meal in world history, which is the Passover, which is setting captives free.
00:08:57.000 And Christ came that we'd know the truth and the truth would set us free.
00:09:00.000 During Passover, which is amazing.
00:09:02.000 Well, Christ rose during Passover.
00:09:04.000 Amen. 0.80
00:09:04.000 Which is a fitting for all of it together. 0.80
00:09:08.000 So I want to talk politically.
00:09:10.000 Yeah, I love that.
00:09:11.000 You know, there's a lot of conversation right now of happening in our country, what's happening in our country.
00:09:17.000 I made a point earlier that you and I were talking privately, and I'm really excited about a couple things.
00:09:22.000 I'm worried about a lot of things too, but I like talking about the exciting things as much as the worrying and worrisome things.
00:09:27.000 I think it's actually moral to do that too.
00:09:30.000 I don't think you should be self-defeating.
00:09:31.000 I think it's actually, that's not the right way to live life.
00:09:34.000 So I think it's really exciting that we at Turning Point Action, our 501c4 political arm, we, alongside many other groups and the Trump campaign as well, are in Minnesota contesting for this state of Minnesota.
00:09:47.000 Unbelievable that that's in play.
00:09:49.000 There's been five polls that have come out that show that Donald Trump's in striking distance in Minnesota.
00:09:53.000 Democrat operatives on the ground in Minnesota say they've never seen anything like this before.
00:09:57.000 Six Democrat mayors in Minnesota have just come out and endorsed Donald Trump.
00:10:01.000 Some of them spoke at the convention.
00:10:03.000 Record riots.
00:10:05.000 They say it's Minnesota nice.
00:10:06.000 They're nice until they burn your church down.
00:10:08.000 And you can be Minnesota nice.
00:10:08.000 Exactly.
00:10:11.000 However, there's a mechanism to check tyranny, and that's called the voting booth.
00:10:14.000 Amazingly, in 1984, Ronald Reagan won the most convincing electoral landslide.
00:10:19.000 Prior to that, Richard Nixon won a pretty incredible one in 1972.
00:10:22.000 Richard Nixon lost just one state, Massachusetts.
00:10:25.000 Ronald Reagan lost just one state, Minnesota.
00:10:27.000 Minnesota, yeah.
00:10:28.000 And also Washington, D.C., and out of state.
00:10:30.000 And so Donald Trump now, in an amazing way, if you would have told me five years ago, 10 years ago, Republicans would be contesting in a presidential election for Minnesota, I'd say, what are you talking about?
00:10:42.000 So now the industrial Midwest is the Iron Belt.
00:10:45.000 Yeah, the Iron Belt is now all of a sudden trending in a way that none of us could have anticipated.
00:10:49.000 I think you have a lesson here, though.
00:10:50.000 It's really interesting.
00:10:52.000 Yeah.
00:10:53.000 That you're deriving from it.
00:10:54.000 I am.
00:10:54.000 And that is.
00:10:56.000 There's hope for California.
00:10:57.000 Tell me why.
00:10:59.000 Well, you're describing Minnesota.
00:11:01.000 And my hero, my mentor, when it was pastors being in politics, was obviously Mike Huckabee.
00:11:08.000 And Mike Huckabee ran for office as a pastor.
00:11:11.000 He runs for the Senate.
00:11:13.000 And he loses.
00:11:16.000 And he loses in a presidential election year.
00:11:20.000 And the governor, so Clinton ends up winning the presidency.
00:11:25.000 He's no longer governor.
00:11:26.000 So the lieutenant governor becomes governor and they have a special election for lieutenant governor.
00:11:30.000 Now, there hadn't been a Republican elected to lieutenant governor in Arkansas before Reconstruction.
00:11:35.000 And he runs as a sacrificial lamb because he just ran the Senate race.
00:11:39.000 And he ends up winning, and they lock him out of his office.
00:11:42.000 And he has to get court orders to occupy the office he was elected to.
00:11:46.000 And when he ran, there was a 135-seat legislature in Arkansas with a handful of Republicans, far less than what California is facing.
00:11:56.000 The entire state was Democrat.
00:11:58.000 And by the time, of course, what happens, similar to Illinois, Arkansas, the governor gets indicted and sent to prison, and Mike becomes the governor and then wins re-election.
00:12:07.000 And turns out, by the time he leaves office, the entire legislature has changed to Republican.
00:12:11.000 All the federal seats are Republican.
00:12:13.000 And we're looking at California, which has, what, 15,280,000 evangelicals.
00:12:19.000 Half have not been registered to vote.
00:12:20.000 I've gone through the data.
00:12:22.000 And half of those don't vote.
00:12:23.000 And half of the ones that are registered don't vote.
00:12:25.000 There's no listeners here.
00:12:26.000 The half of the ones that are registered don't vote.
00:12:30.000 And then 12% only vote in a non-presidential election.
00:12:34.000 And now you're watching the church being oppressed by the governor, and these churches are awakening.
00:12:38.000 And pastors who you would never consider being mindful of the political landscape are now engaging.
00:12:46.000 I mean, massively engaging.
00:12:48.000 And Hispanic pastors, I'm going to be speaking Saturday to a whole bunch of Hispanic pastors down in San Diego.
00:12:54.000 Those are typically a Democrat voting bloc, and they're moving in droves.
00:12:59.000 And so this awakening is occurring.
00:13:01.000 And with an awakening comes a revival.
00:13:03.000 And I really do believe that there's hope for California down the stretch, especially when you're watching Nancy Pelosi go in and get her hair done.
00:13:11.000 I mean, what an optic.
00:13:13.000 And you just see the duplicity of these elitists.
00:13:18.000 And you see that optic, and people just say, you know what?
00:13:21.000 I'm tired of this.
00:13:22.000 And the people, I don't know if you saw the live stream I did with the previous mayor of Nevada City, Renette Senim. 1.00
00:13:29.000 She's a secular progressive, lesbian.
00:13:32.000 And here we are on a live stream together, a right-wing evangelical fundamentalist, you know, pastor, whatever, however they label me.
00:13:39.000 And the two of us, we're getting along swimmingly.
00:13:42.000 Now, granted, our faith positions are wholly different.
00:13:45.000 And yet we're in complete agreement to the draconian measures of the governor and what he's doing to the economy of our state.
00:13:53.000 And this is an awakening left, middle, and right.
00:13:59.000 And it's exciting because liberty is that source that people are drawn to and they find that the source is Jesus.
00:14:04.000 And I think I totally agree.
00:14:05.000 And the fact that Republicans are contesting in Minnesota shows that any state can be in play at any time.
00:14:11.000 That's what it tells me.
00:14:12.000 Oh, well, look at California, what, 25, California congressional district, Mike Garcia.
00:14:17.000 But not just, you have a pyramid.
00:14:19.000 So you have Mike Garcia who wins the first time.
00:14:22.000 10 points?
00:14:23.000 10 points.
00:14:24.000 It's been held by Democrats.
00:14:26.000 It's been held over 20 years by Democrats. 1.00
00:14:26.000 Yeah, Kitty Hill's seat. 1.00
00:14:29.000 And then you look at the state Senate seat, Scott Wilk is below him.
00:14:32.000 And then below that, you had an Assembly seat that was held by Democrats.
00:14:36.000 And in the primary, two Republicans won in a jungle primary.
00:14:40.000 So regardless of the outcome of the general election, there's going to be a Republican in that seat.
00:14:44.000 And Mike Garcia is the only race we have of any sort of indicator of what's going on in this whole era.
00:14:50.000 And it's a 10 point to the Republicans.
00:14:53.000 And so I tell people to say, is California lost?
00:14:56.000 They say, well, it might be temporarily difficult right now, but how did we get Minnesota into play?
00:15:01.000 How did we do that?
00:15:03.000 And you answer that question for me.
00:15:05.000 The playbook, I mean, I come from the Midwest.
00:15:07.000 My family's from Austin, Minnesota from a couple generations ago.
00:15:10.000 I know these people.
00:15:11.000 And it's really interesting.
00:15:12.000 It's because Minnesota was the home of Garrison Keillor.
00:15:17.000 It was the home of Mondale.
00:15:19.000 It was the home of the most Democrat farmer labor union.
00:15:21.000 They called it DFL up there.
00:15:23.000 And these guys were left of left, but they were actually really pro-gun.
00:15:27.000 They were strict on immigration.
00:15:29.000 They loved God and they loved faith.
00:15:31.000 But when it came to agriculture, when it came to economics, they were very much protecting a way of life.
00:15:38.000 So they call themselves the Democrat Farmer Labor Union, a DFL.
00:15:40.000 They were part of the Democrat Party.
00:15:42.000 Then Trump comes along and actually resonates with everything they've always been saying.
00:15:46.000 And the Democrat Party completely left.
00:15:49.000 And what's really interesting is that now there's an entire part of the American population that it's going to be a little bit of a slow move, but it's happening where they realize they look around.
00:15:57.000 This is not the Democrat Party I grew up with at all.
00:15:59.000 The Democrat Party is pandering to foreign nationals, corporate CEOs, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Manhattan, and Malibu celebrities.
00:16:09.000 I don't want to associate with them.
00:16:10.000 And so Minnesota is the middle-class state in America.
00:16:13.000 It is.
00:16:14.000 If there is a state that just represents what the middle class looks like, it's Minnesota. 0.90
00:16:18.000 A lot of Swedes, a lot of Norwegians, which in a lot of ways actually believe in an egalitarian lifestyle, where they're very slow to want kind of a brand, kind of a grandiose life, right? 0.53
00:16:29.000 Even though there's plenty of wealthy people in Minnesota, it's just the, it's very much like a middle, it's a middle-road state. 0.83
00:16:36.000 But they still have some of the greatest companies on the planet, 3M, Target, Best Buy, all came out of Minneapolis.
00:16:36.000 It really is.
00:16:42.000 And so now you see an opportunity where these decent, reasonable people, I don't, I'm not represented by the foreign national, illegal immigrant, gun-grabbing, anti-church party anymore.
00:16:53.000 And what's been amazing, here's the incredible thing, and this is the learning lesson for everyone.
00:16:57.000 If it was Mitt Romney's party, we'd lose Minnesota by 12 points.
00:17:00.000 Oh, yeah.
00:17:01.000 Yeah.
00:17:02.000 If it was a party of socially liberal, fiscal conservatism, corporate tax cuts, they'd say, I don't want that.
00:17:07.000 But now the party of Donald Trump, we're supposed to say that Trump is the worst thing ever.
00:17:10.000 If you're contesting in Minnesota, you're doing something right.
00:17:13.000 Yeah, something's clicking.
00:17:15.000 My big concern with California, and I'm probably going to alienate a number of folks.
00:17:20.000 And this is a personal position that I am trying to navigate and understand.
00:17:26.000 But in California, you have a libertarian mindset.
00:17:30.000 And we're watching a number of movements in the state where they want to split the state.
00:17:34.000 And one in particular is New California.
00:17:37.000 There's another one where they want to break California into a number of different states.
00:17:41.000 Five states.
00:17:41.000 Five states.
00:17:43.000 And I understand the mindset because certain segments of California are highly conservative and they're underrepresented in the state legislature and they're beat up.
00:17:50.000 And it's mostly farm communities in the San Joaquin Valley.
00:17:52.000 I'm a graduate of Fresno State, and those are good people, and it's a conservative realm.
00:17:58.000 Devin Nunes and all those come from that area.
00:18:01.000 And I know why they want to do it, but it's also, in my estimation, and here is my opinion.
00:18:07.000 In my estimation, it's troublesome because you're putting a lot of effort in an election year to do conventions and rallies to start a new California when we should be walking precincts and trying to break the supermajority in the legislature.
00:18:24.000 And I know that they feel underrepresented.
00:18:26.000 I get that.
00:18:27.000 But they feel as though it's rigged and they want to abandon it.
00:18:30.000 I don't know that it's necessarily beyond accomplishing to win the legislature back.
00:18:37.000 I think that there is an awakening in California.
00:18:40.000 And if we focus our efforts and row in the same direction, we can pull this off.
00:18:44.000 But if we split our forces and try to split the state, I just don't know that that's the wisest measure.
00:18:52.000 I don't bemoan why they want to do that.
00:18:55.000 I get it.
00:18:56.000 But I think we have to, politics is done by addition and multiplication, not by division and subtraction.
00:19:02.000 So we need to be rowing in the same direction come this election year.
00:19:04.000 If you want to do the split California thing, do it after the election, but don't put all your energies and put all your finances in it right now until after November.
00:19:16.000 Do you know one of the reasons why I think California can be flipped eventually?
00:19:19.000 Tell me.
00:19:20.000 I'm listening to voted for Bernie Sanders, not for Joe Biden.
00:19:22.000 Think about it.
00:19:23.000 People that vote for Bernie Sanders, some of them are traditional left-wing socialist Bolsheviks, but some of them are just mad at the system.
00:19:29.000 Bernie Sanders is the ultimate outrage vote.
00:19:31.000 Yeah.
00:19:32.000 It means you're just upset with everything.
00:19:34.000 It's almost like the left-wing equivalent of Donald Trump.
00:19:36.000 And the fact that a lot of people vote for Bernie Sanders, that means they actually believe that trade actually should be in the benefit of the American people.
00:19:42.000 Bernie Sanders is awful on a lot of issues.
00:19:44.000 And also that they actually might be tired of a corporate tyranny that might be controlling their country.
00:19:48.000 These are things that Republicans are on the right side of, and Democrats are on the wrong side of.
00:19:52.000 And I think the Nancy Pelosi walking into the hair salon thing is so outrageous, but it's also emblematic of a party that doesn't think they have to earn the votes of the people they represent anymore.
00:20:02.000 You only do that.
00:20:02.000 So I'll give you an example.
00:20:04.000 When I, during the lockdown, someone is like, oh, do you want to go out to a restaurant?
00:20:09.000 I'm like, you know what?
00:20:10.000 I don't.
00:20:11.000 Because if I, you know, first of all, it's a lockdown.
00:20:14.000 It's not, this is during when we didn't know what we were dealing with, right?
00:20:16.000 For a couple of weeks.
00:20:17.000 I was like, also, I actually think there's a cost that if I get photographed at a restaurant or something, like I could suffer for that.
00:20:24.000 And I'm accountable to people, right?
00:20:27.000 I don't want to look like a hypocrite or anything.
00:20:28.000 Exactly.
00:20:29.000 So when I see Nancy Pelosi do that, I'm like, I'm actually being held accountable more than a member of the Speaker of the House, right?
00:20:35.000 Yeah.
00:20:35.000 That if I get, if I'm not, if I'm photographed in any sort of way walking through a restaurant or something on a mask on front page of something, right?
00:20:43.000 Nancy Pelosi doesn't even think that way.
00:20:45.000 No. 0.91
00:20:46.000 It's a salon owner's fault.
00:20:46.000 I'm queen.
00:20:48.000 Yeah, it's always set up.
00:20:50.000 Really?
00:20:50.000 It's a business owner's fault.
00:20:53.000 The old adage is: when confronted with sin, you can do one of three things: blame others, make excuses, or own it and repent.
00:21:00.000 And she's making excuses and blaming others.
00:21:03.000 It's well put.
00:21:04.000 Yeah.
00:21:04.000 Well, that's scriptural.
00:21:06.000 I also think, too, that in California, there is a tyrannical minority that shames you.
00:21:16.000 And when you see people come into the church, we used to be a church of 400, now we're over 2,500.
00:21:20.000 When you see people.
00:21:21.000 You're going to grow from there.
00:21:22.000 Oh, well, the building's limited and we have fire codes.
00:21:25.000 But when you see people coming in, they're just so happy to not be judged or shamed.
00:21:30.000 And to remove a mask they knew a long time ago was a waste of time.
00:21:34.000 But they can't go into a store without being shamed or ridiculed.
00:21:37.000 And it's once we can break from that, I have a feeling Californians are going to realize this.
00:21:46.000 I'll give you a perfect example.
00:21:47.000 You saw the CDC come out, 6% of all COVID-attributed deaths, 6% were from COVID.
00:21:55.000 The other 94% were with COVID.
00:21:57.000 It's the same in Ventura County.
00:21:59.000 A little over 100 deaths attributed to COVID, tragic as they are, but only two.
00:22:03.000 And I don't know the update now, but I know that only two were from COVID.
00:22:07.000 The rest, the over 100, were all with COVID.
00:22:10.000 We had an overdose guy.
00:22:11.000 He died of an overdose, but when he died, he had COVID death.
00:22:15.000 Somebody in a car accident collapsed lung, dies.
00:22:17.000 Oh, tested COVID, COVID death, because you get money for that.
00:22:22.000 And everyone's saying this is the biggest scam.
00:22:25.000 And everyone who's been opened isn't having issues.
00:22:27.000 And even if they've contracted COVID and they're younger, they didn't even know they had it.
00:22:31.000 85% of the people don't even know they've had it.
00:22:34.000 And yet they're doubling down.
00:22:36.000 The governor's doubling down.
00:22:37.000 And people are like, look, we've played your game.
00:22:39.000 We're done now.
00:22:40.000 And they're at a tipping point in California.
00:22:42.000 This could be huge.
00:22:44.000 But then the thing we have is vote by mail.
00:22:48.000 The Democrats shellacked us in 2018 with ballot harvesting. 0.99
00:22:55.000 Didn't your wife get multiple ballots? 0.99
00:22:57.000 Somebody? 1.00
00:22:58.000 Yep. 1.00
00:22:58.000 My wife got multiple ballots. 1.00
00:23:00.000 Walk us through that.
00:23:01.000 There's a lot of people listening from across the country.
00:23:03.000 Yeah.
00:23:03.000 So your wife got multiple ballots?
00:23:05.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:23:05.000 So she registered to vote. 0.99
00:23:07.000 We moved.
00:23:08.000 She sent in a change of address and we got two ballots.
00:23:13.000 And you're thinking, well, wait a minute.
00:23:14.000 I mean, that could be a Claire Claire, but that's two ballots.
00:23:18.000 Now, granted, she's a Republican.
00:23:20.000 At the time, no one knew it was a Republican ballot, but she got sent two ballots.
00:23:23.000 We only filled out one, might I add.
00:23:25.000 And now you're looking at everyone's going to get a ballot.
00:23:28.000 Everyone's going to mail it in.
00:23:29.000 And they're saying, well, Trump will win the day of the election.
00:23:31.000 But then just like it happened in California.
00:23:33.000 Yeah, with young Kim. 0.85
00:23:35.000 Here, she's elected to the Congress.
00:23:37.000 She goes for freshman orientation.
00:23:39.000 And then all of a sudden, the vote by mail ballots start rolling in.
00:23:42.000 She loses by a small margin.
00:23:44.000 She has to come back.
00:23:45.000 And then the Democrat goes.
00:23:46.000 And that's an Orange County seat.
00:23:48.000 Well, I think Californians have awakened and said, you know what?
00:23:51.000 I don't think we're going to do it this time.
00:23:52.000 We have to be vigilant.
00:23:54.000 Churches have to awaken.
00:23:56.000 It's not illegal.
00:23:58.000 Run the voter registration, see who in your congregation is registered.
00:24:01.000 Make sure that those ballots are taken to a secure setting, the clerk.
00:24:07.000 I wouldn't even put them in the mail because on our ballots, you can tell if it's a Republican or Democrat.
00:24:12.000 They'll throw them away.
00:24:13.000 Make sure that those are collected and put in a secure system.
00:24:16.000 So, do you think vote by mail is one of the impediments from taking California back?
00:24:19.000 I think it's dangerous right now, but I think we can overcome it if we're vigilant.
00:24:26.000 And you know me, I'm optimistic.
00:24:29.000 And otherwise, I would have moved out of California because more people have left the state of California than came here during the Dust Bowl.
00:24:35.000 But I'm staying because as California goes, so goes the nation.
00:24:38.000 I do believe that there can be a transformation.
00:24:41.000 And I'm watching people who are left of center move into the category of conservative principles.
00:24:48.000 Yeah, I think that there's something special that could happen.
00:24:51.000 Yeah.
00:24:51.000 I'm optimistic.
00:24:52.000 I know you are.
00:24:54.000 So, how do you view this race right now, the election in general, Trump versus Biden?
00:24:59.000 What are you seeing?
00:24:59.000 What are you hearing?
00:25:00.000 Well, you have a pastor network all across the country.
00:25:03.000 What are you seeing?
00:25:04.000 I haven't heard one pastor declare, I'm so thrilled about Joe Biden.
00:25:10.000 I've heard others say of President Trump, I may not like the way he operates in some capacity, but he's done a remarkable work, and I am sympathetic to him.
00:25:21.000 I haven't heard anyone say, I hate the man.
00:25:24.000 And then in California, I don't see Biden signs, but I see Trump signs.
00:25:29.000 So you're in California.
00:25:31.000 Did you see Hillary signs back in 2016?
00:25:34.000 A handful, a couple of bumper stickers.
00:25:36.000 So you saw more Hillary paraphernalia than Biden? 0.88
00:25:40.000 Oh, yeah, I saw more Hillary paraphernalia than I see Biden for sure.
00:25:44.000 You saw more Obama paraphernalia. 0.96
00:25:47.000 Obama wallpapered the state.
00:25:49.000 Really?
00:25:50.000 Yeah.
00:25:51.000 And, but isn't Harris the vice president? 0.98
00:25:54.000 Yeah, nobody likes her.
00:25:56.000 Sebuaka, so you're trying to tell me that you have a California senator who's on the ballot and you don't have a grassroots display of support?
00:26:06.000 I haven't seen anything.
00:26:08.000 Do you think there's something to that?
00:26:09.000 I do.
00:26:10.000 I pray that it really is that there is this underlying hidden vote that people just don't want to say that they're for Trump because you're going to get your car keyed.
00:26:23.000 You're going to get yelled at.
00:26:24.000 I mean, there's a minority that will shame you and ridicule you, and yet some people are like, I don't care.
00:26:30.000 And you're starting to see this brazen support that they're no longer afraid and they're coming out of the shadows.
00:26:37.000 And to put up a Trump sign early on, it was detrimental to any material possession you had.
00:26:43.000 It was going to be damaged.
00:26:44.000 And now people are, hey, I'm in.
00:26:47.000 What are you going to do about it?
00:26:48.000 And you're seeing, you go through the Oxnard Harbor.
00:26:50.000 That's plus 21 Democrat in Oxnard in Ventura County.
00:26:54.000 There's Trump signs everywhere.
00:26:56.000 And no Biden signs.
00:26:57.000 No Biden signs.
00:26:59.000 Wow.
00:27:00.000 I don't know what that's going to tell me.
00:27:02.000 But when I was in Wisconsin in 2016, I came back to the church and I said, Trump's going to win this.
00:27:07.000 People are like, ah, I'm on record.
00:27:09.000 I said it on a Sunday morning because I saw Wisconsin, boarded up businesses and Trump signs everywhere.
00:27:15.000 And I said, he's going to win Wisconsin.
00:27:18.000 The last poll that was done in Wisconsin had Hillary Clinton up eight. 0.98
00:27:21.000 They didn't even bother to visit or anything. 0.99
00:27:22.000 Yeah.
00:27:23.000 Trump wins Wisconsin.
00:27:24.000 And they broadcast out of Minnesota into Wisconsin.
00:27:26.000 It was brilliant.
00:27:27.000 I just, that was great.
00:27:29.000 Rob, it's great spending time with you.
00:27:30.000 You too, Charlie.
00:27:31.000 I've got your back.
00:27:32.000 You bless me.
00:27:33.000 And I know the folks at Godspeak are so grateful for what you're doing.
00:27:38.000 And people have been praying for you and Turning Point.
00:27:40.000 And Charlie, this is exciting because I was talking to a group of pastors that comment when they were talking about, you said he's autodidactic.
00:27:52.000 Every time I see him, he's got his nose into some thick book, some philosophy book, and you process it, and then you make it accessible for an entire generation of young people that aren't getting in it in school.
00:28:04.000 And the work you're doing is instrumental.
00:28:06.000 So grateful for you.
00:28:07.000 Keep it up.
00:28:07.000 God bless you.
00:28:08.000 Yeah.
00:28:08.000 Appreciate that.
00:28:09.000 You rock.
00:28:10.000 Thanks.
00:28:12.000 So there's one part I actually wanted to touch on we could put in, the music thing.
00:28:17.000 So, Rob, you guys have fought against masks for singing in church.
00:28:20.000 Is that right?
00:28:21.000 Yeah, you can't fellowship and sing with masks on, and you can't fellowship with social distancing.
00:28:27.000 And neither of them have empirical data, and we're not going to allow that to occur.
00:28:31.000 And we haven't had an outbreak.
00:28:33.000 But, you know, Charlie, I'm intrigued because, as I said earlier, you always have your nose in a book, and you're processing deep theological thoughts.
00:28:44.000 And you had opened up, and I want you to elaborate, if you would, on Augustine.
00:28:47.000 Yeah, St. Augustine.
00:28:48.000 Yeah, in regards to worship, talk to me about that because that was fascinating.
00:28:52.000 Yeah, it was really interesting.
00:28:53.000 I was reading Augustine, St. Augustine, who's one of the most incredibly important Christian thinkers who theorized on music.
00:29:01.000 And his whole theory, which I think is completely correct, is that music is something that is spiritual in nature.
00:29:07.000 It is not physical in nature.
00:29:09.000 And you actually look at the Bible, the largest book of the Bible is Psalms, which is praising to the Lord.
00:29:14.000 All songs.
00:29:14.000 The last book of Psalms is praise the Lord with trumpets and with drums and actual instruments.
00:29:20.000 And the Darwinists and the secularists, if you actually press them, they can't actually explain what music is.
00:29:24.000 It's very interesting.
00:29:25.000 It's one of the few things they can't explain.
00:29:27.000 There's no evolutionary argument for music.
00:29:29.000 Now, some people will wrongly say, well, birds, they sing.
00:29:33.000 Well, they sing, but they don't make music, right?
00:29:36.000 And so if humans actually did have an evolutionary connection with birds, which is questionable at very, very best, then why isn't it that humans use singing as mating, right?
00:29:45.000 So that doesn't make any sense.
00:29:47.000 So the musical components, the spiritual aspect is very interesting.
00:29:51.000 And so this is actually a kind of, you can actually tell a lot about a culture, about the music that you embrace.
00:29:55.000 And so that's actually why we have such awful music today, is because there's an atonal nature to our music.
00:30:01.000 When you saw the greatest resurgence of human enlightenment and kind of that breakthrough of Western society, you had the greatest composers ever break out, Bach and Mozart.
00:30:10.000 And so as you kind of have a pursuit towards truth, by definition, you're going to have music that has tonality and rhythm.
00:30:16.000 That's exactly what Augustine said.
00:30:17.000 He said, certain music makes you feel a certain way because it actually harmonizes with your soul and your spirit.
00:30:23.000 And I actually would go as far to say, and there's a great book, this is the book that actually built your world by a guy named Vishal, an incredible last name, Pastor Ken Graves gave to me actually.
00:30:31.000 It's an incredible book where he actually argued back 10 years ago, 2010, he said, Kurt Cobain has more influence on the musical and philosophical and spiritual direction of a country.
00:30:45.000 And he said, people are more likely not to listen to Kurt Cobain than to joy to the world.
00:30:48.000 I think it's really interesting.
00:30:49.000 Kurt Cobain from Nirvana, he actually was the truest nihilist.
00:30:54.000 He committed suicide.
00:30:54.000 Nihilism in its purest form is actually that, unlike some of the other nihilistic thinkers that justified their way out of self-sacrifice.
00:31:00.000 So I think that your fight against masks is not insignificant, actually.
00:31:03.000 I think it's really important because singing to the Lord and actually knowing what music is and its rep, it's not just an activity that blows off some steam.
00:31:11.000 There's a connection to it.
00:31:12.000 There's something more than just saying the words.
00:31:16.000 And the Bible tells us that.
00:31:18.000 You commented that if birds sing for the sake of mating, well, mankind can use music towards that.
00:31:25.000 I mean, you know, just bumping music and all it is is a vertical expression of a horizontal desire, right?
00:31:32.000 But worship music at its highest level is this pursuit of excellence where the soul connects with God.
00:31:40.000 And that is critical.
00:31:41.000 So when you bring that up, Charlie, that's what floors me about the gift God's given you.
00:31:47.000 You are taking a conceptual thought, applying it scripturally, and understanding this nature that God's given man.
00:31:54.000 And it really is a desire for us to achieve excellence.
00:31:57.000 And it's a great insight and a great gift God's given you.
00:32:00.000 I'm blessed about it.
00:32:01.000 The last note on this, though, which is interesting, is that the great dictators always banned music first.
00:32:05.000 Yeah.
00:32:05.000 And that's not an insignificant conclusion.
00:32:08.000 Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, they go after the musicians.
00:32:11.000 They go after public assembly of music.
00:32:13.000 Because when you have music, people actually believe and they have a connection greater than the higher power.
00:32:18.000 And music is so accessible today.
00:32:19.000 We have it on our phone, we have it on our radio.
00:32:20.000 Music used to be something that people would travel half a year to go here.
00:32:24.000 Hear one concert in Vienna.
00:32:26.000 People would come from the countryside just to hear the sound of a violin or the sound of a piano.
00:32:30.000 It used to be something that was so rare.
00:32:31.000 And we take it for granted now.
00:32:33.000 It used to be something that people would built an entire civilization around.
00:32:35.000 I mean, Vienna was literally the home of Mozart.
00:32:37.000 So I think that it's interesting that now they're trying to get rid of music in our pews.
00:32:42.000 Literally, do not sing.
00:32:44.000 Yep.
00:32:44.000 I don't think that's insignificant.
00:32:46.000 Last thought on that.
00:32:47.000 You know, John Newton, who wrote Amazing Grace, was a slave trader.
00:32:53.000 And so if you look at Library of Congress, it says words by John Newton, Melody Unknown.
00:32:59.000 And the melody is all minor keys on the piano.
00:33:02.000 And I've heard it said that the melody to Amazing Grace is a West African sorrow chant.
00:33:10.000 So as John Newton was on top of the deck of the ship hearing the groanings and the sorrow chant of these slaves, he would live with these visions in his mind and was tormented by what he'd done.
00:33:27.000 And when he gives his heart to the Lord and spends the rest of his life, especially moving William Wilberforce to end slavery in the British Empire 35 years before America, this becomes America's anthem, spiritual anthem, Amazing Grace.
00:33:40.000 And it combines these cultural realms to touch the heart of every human soul because it combines freedom, it combines slavery, it combines redemption and understanding.
00:33:52.000 I mean, what a profound, and that's the beauty of music.
00:33:55.000 So kudos.
00:33:56.000 You nailed it.
00:33:57.000 Thank you.
00:33:57.000 Well, music can explain that what words can never.
00:34:01.000 And it's just something that we kind of put aside.
00:34:04.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:34:05.000 You bet.
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