00:02:29.000The people who are coming are people who wouldn't darken the doors of a church.
00:02:32.000They're wondering who's going to lead them out of this draconian misery that the governor has placed on them.
00:02:38.000And even good pastors that I really appreciate who have been trying to abide by the governor's rules, the governor just moved the goalpost.
00:02:45.000So we went from six boxes that we had to fill in a county, and we had fulfilled five of the six.
00:02:50.000And the six box was, you know, semantics.
00:02:54.000And then the governor just does this color-coded thing and now puts us in the worst category, purple.
00:03:00.000And even these pastors who are trying to abide by the governor standards, they're not going to be able to occupy their building until late fall, early winter.
00:03:07.000And even if they did everything to the best of their ability, they could only have 50% occupancy of their facility if they get to the yellow, which is the fourth box.
00:05:33.000And that's the nature of most pastors.
00:05:35.000But they're starting to realize that this governor, especially in California, and I can say other states around the country, this governor has no interest in the church.
00:05:44.000This is, in my estimation, it's diabolical and it's draconian.
00:06:47.000And they say, well, you know, we want to protect the preaching of the gospel.
00:06:52.000Well, you know, the gospel is the most important thing, but the second most important thing is protecting the government that protects the preaching of that gospel, which you continually said, Charlie.
00:07:01.000You have been an advocate for freedom.
00:07:12.000And then here we are enjoying freedom, but we have to exercise that liberty for the sake of our congregants because, again, where the Spirit of the Lord is, there's liberty.
00:07:22.000And if the church isn't going to stand upon that, an oligarchy, whether it's fascism, communism, any ism where the few rule the many, they're going to shut the church down because that's the one entity that declares that our rights don't come from man.
00:08:00.000But when he goes to Pharaoh and he says, God says, let my people go.
00:08:04.000Pharaoh says, who is God that I should obey him?
00:08:06.000That's how all these folks, you know, Governor Newsom, I don't know his faith background, if there is one, but I do know that he has no interest in anything being essential in regards to the church.
00:08:19.000Well, it's a perfect story, Moses Pharaoh, I think, for what we're going through right now, because it's a contention of who's the actual authority in the story.
00:08:26.000And Moses was saying, There's actually an authority above you.
00:08:29.000And it was hard for Moses to get his words right and to look at him in the eye.
00:08:33.000And that could be, that's true on the micro level.
00:09:11.000You know, there's a lot of conversation right now of happening in our country, what's happening in our country.
00:09:17.000I made a point earlier that you and I were talking privately, and I'm really excited about a couple things.
00:09:22.000I'm worried about a lot of things too, but I like talking about the exciting things as much as the worrying and worrisome things.
00:09:27.000I think it's actually moral to do that too.
00:09:30.000I don't think you should be self-defeating.
00:09:31.000I think it's actually, that's not the right way to live life.
00:09:34.000So I think it's really exciting that we at Turning Point Action, our 501c4 political arm, we, alongside many other groups and the Trump campaign as well, are in Minnesota contesting for this state of Minnesota.
00:10:28.000And also Washington, D.C., and out of state.
00:10:30.000And so Donald Trump now, in an amazing way, if you would have told me five years ago, 10 years ago, Republicans would be contesting in a presidential election for Minnesota, I'd say, what are you talking about?
00:10:42.000So now the industrial Midwest is the Iron Belt.
00:10:45.000Yeah, the Iron Belt is now all of a sudden trending in a way that none of us could have anticipated.
00:10:49.000I think you have a lesson here, though.
00:11:58.000And by the time, of course, what happens, similar to Illinois, Arkansas, the governor gets indicted and sent to prison, and Mike becomes the governor and then wins re-election.
00:12:07.000And turns out, by the time he leaves office, the entire legislature has changed to Republican.
00:13:01.000And with an awakening comes a revival.
00:13:03.000And I really do believe that there's hope for California down the stretch, especially when you're watching Nancy Pelosi go in and get her hair done.
00:15:42.000Then Trump comes along and actually resonates with everything they've always been saying.
00:15:46.000And the Democrat Party completely left.
00:15:49.000And what's really interesting is that now there's an entire part of the American population that it's going to be a little bit of a slow move, but it's happening where they realize they look around.
00:15:57.000This is not the Democrat Party I grew up with at all.
00:15:59.000The Democrat Party is pandering to foreign nationals, corporate CEOs, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Manhattan, and Malibu celebrities.
00:16:14.000If there is a state that just represents what the middle class looks like, it's Minnesota.
00:16:18.000A lot of Swedes, a lot of Norwegians, which in a lot of ways actually believe in an egalitarian lifestyle, where they're very slow to want kind of a brand, kind of a grandiose life, right?
00:16:29.000Even though there's plenty of wealthy people in Minnesota, it's just the, it's very much like a middle, it's a middle-road state.
00:16:36.000But they still have some of the greatest companies on the planet, 3M, Target, Best Buy, all came out of Minneapolis.
00:16:42.000And so now you see an opportunity where these decent, reasonable people, I don't, I'm not represented by the foreign national, illegal immigrant, gun-grabbing, anti-church party anymore.
00:16:53.000And what's been amazing, here's the incredible thing, and this is the learning lesson for everyone.
00:16:57.000If it was Mitt Romney's party, we'd lose Minnesota by 12 points.
00:17:43.000And I understand the mindset because certain segments of California are highly conservative and they're underrepresented in the state legislature and they're beat up.
00:17:50.000And it's mostly farm communities in the San Joaquin Valley.
00:17:52.000I'm a graduate of Fresno State, and those are good people, and it's a conservative realm.
00:17:58.000Devin Nunes and all those come from that area.
00:18:01.000And I know why they want to do it, but it's also, in my estimation, and here is my opinion.
00:18:07.000In my estimation, it's troublesome because you're putting a lot of effort in an election year to do conventions and rallies to start a new California when we should be walking precincts and trying to break the supermajority in the legislature.
00:18:24.000And I know that they feel underrepresented.
00:18:56.000But I think we have to, politics is done by addition and multiplication, not by division and subtraction.
00:19:02.000So we need to be rowing in the same direction come this election year.
00:19:04.000If you want to do the split California thing, do it after the election, but don't put all your energies and put all your finances in it right now until after November.
00:19:16.000Do you know one of the reasons why I think California can be flipped eventually?
00:19:23.000People that vote for Bernie Sanders, some of them are traditional left-wing socialist Bolsheviks, but some of them are just mad at the system.
00:19:29.000Bernie Sanders is the ultimate outrage vote.
00:19:32.000It means you're just upset with everything.
00:19:34.000It's almost like the left-wing equivalent of Donald Trump.
00:19:36.000And the fact that a lot of people vote for Bernie Sanders, that means they actually believe that trade actually should be in the benefit of the American people.
00:19:42.000Bernie Sanders is awful on a lot of issues.
00:19:44.000And also that they actually might be tired of a corporate tyranny that might be controlling their country.
00:19:48.000These are things that Republicans are on the right side of, and Democrats are on the wrong side of.
00:19:52.000And I think the Nancy Pelosi walking into the hair salon thing is so outrageous, but it's also emblematic of a party that doesn't think they have to earn the votes of the people they represent anymore.
00:20:35.000That if I get, if I'm not, if I'm photographed in any sort of way walking through a restaurant or something on a mask on front page of something, right?
00:20:43.000Nancy Pelosi doesn't even think that way.
00:24:29.000And otherwise, I would have moved out of California because more people have left the state of California than came here during the Dust Bowl.
00:24:35.000But I'm staying because as California goes, so goes the nation.
00:24:38.000I do believe that there can be a transformation.
00:24:41.000And I'm watching people who are left of center move into the category of conservative principles.
00:24:48.000Yeah, I think that there's something special that could happen.
00:25:04.000I haven't heard one pastor declare, I'm so thrilled about Joe Biden.
00:25:10.000I've heard others say of President Trump, I may not like the way he operates in some capacity, but he's done a remarkable work, and I am sympathetic to him.
00:25:21.000I haven't heard anyone say, I hate the man.
00:25:24.000And then in California, I don't see Biden signs, but I see Trump signs.
00:25:56.000Sebuaka, so you're trying to tell me that you have a California senator who's on the ballot and you don't have a grassroots display of support?
00:26:10.000I pray that it really is that there is this underlying hidden vote that people just don't want to say that they're for Trump because you're going to get your car keyed.
00:27:33.000And I know the folks at Godspeak are so grateful for what you're doing.
00:27:38.000And people have been praying for you and Turning Point.
00:27:40.000And Charlie, this is exciting because I was talking to a group of pastors that comment when they were talking about, you said he's autodidactic.
00:27:52.000Every time I see him, he's got his nose into some thick book, some philosophy book, and you process it, and then you make it accessible for an entire generation of young people that aren't getting in it in school.
00:28:04.000And the work you're doing is instrumental.
00:28:33.000But, you know, Charlie, I'm intrigued because, as I said earlier, you always have your nose in a book, and you're processing deep theological thoughts.
00:28:44.000And you had opened up, and I want you to elaborate, if you would, on Augustine.
00:29:25.000It's one of the few things they can't explain.
00:29:27.000There's no evolutionary argument for music.
00:29:29.000Now, some people will wrongly say, well, birds, they sing.
00:29:33.000Well, they sing, but they don't make music, right?
00:29:36.000And so if humans actually did have an evolutionary connection with birds, which is questionable at very, very best, then why isn't it that humans use singing as mating, right?
00:29:47.000So the musical components, the spiritual aspect is very interesting.
00:29:51.000And so this is actually a kind of, you can actually tell a lot about a culture, about the music that you embrace.
00:29:55.000And so that's actually why we have such awful music today, is because there's an atonal nature to our music.
00:30:01.000When you saw the greatest resurgence of human enlightenment and kind of that breakthrough of Western society, you had the greatest composers ever break out, Bach and Mozart.
00:30:10.000And so as you kind of have a pursuit towards truth, by definition, you're going to have music that has tonality and rhythm.
00:30:17.000He said, certain music makes you feel a certain way because it actually harmonizes with your soul and your spirit.
00:30:23.000And I actually would go as far to say, and there's a great book, this is the book that actually built your world by a guy named Vishal, an incredible last name, Pastor Ken Graves gave to me actually.
00:30:31.000It's an incredible book where he actually argued back 10 years ago, 2010, he said, Kurt Cobain has more influence on the musical and philosophical and spiritual direction of a country.
00:30:45.000And he said, people are more likely not to listen to Kurt Cobain than to joy to the world.
00:30:54.000Nihilism in its purest form is actually that, unlike some of the other nihilistic thinkers that justified their way out of self-sacrifice.
00:31:00.000So I think that your fight against masks is not insignificant, actually.
00:31:03.000I think it's really important because singing to the Lord and actually knowing what music is and its rep, it's not just an activity that blows off some steam.
00:32:47.000You know, John Newton, who wrote Amazing Grace, was a slave trader.
00:32:53.000And so if you look at Library of Congress, it says words by John Newton, Melody Unknown.
00:32:59.000And the melody is all minor keys on the piano.
00:33:02.000And I've heard it said that the melody to Amazing Grace is a West African sorrow chant.
00:33:10.000So as John Newton was on top of the deck of the ship hearing the groanings and the sorrow chant of these slaves, he would live with these visions in his mind and was tormented by what he'd done.
00:33:27.000And when he gives his heart to the Lord and spends the rest of his life, especially moving William Wilberforce to end slavery in the British Empire 35 years before America, this becomes America's anthem, spiritual anthem, Amazing Grace.
00:33:40.000And it combines these cultural realms to touch the heart of every human soul because it combines freedom, it combines slavery, it combines redemption and understanding.
00:33:52.000I mean, what a profound, and that's the beauty of music.
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