Today's episode is from an open mic I did at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign, Illinois. I talk about the open border, transgenderism, abortion, and much more. Tweet me if you have any questions or want to ask me a question!
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00:02:19.000We honestly want to get right into question and answer because that's the most fun and that's why people wait in line to kind of see that and experience that.
00:04:11.000But it is a serious issue that is facing Gen Z. You are the first generation in American history to have a future that is materially worse off than your parents.
00:04:22.000You are the most suicidal generation in history, the most depressed generation in history.
00:04:27.000Harder than ever to be able to work hard and get ahead.
00:04:30.000Many of you are going to experience yourself in the red, not in the black, of your financial situation.
00:04:36.000What has gone down is a breakdown of the social compact and the social contract, which is that we have decided that the next generation does not deserve the same future that your parents had.
00:04:46.000And I believe that's one of the big breakdowns as to why so many young people decided to trust Donald Trump with their vote back in November.
00:04:57.000It was a distress signal of a generation that owned nothing and is not happy and understands that if you do not have a meaningful opportunity to do the very basic things, get married, have children, start a family, own a home, and instead you have to go move to the big cities like Indianapolis or Chicago, rent for the rest of your life, and maybe get married, maybe have kids, maybe not, and you kind of continue on this.
00:05:23.000Meanwhile, your parents are like, oh yeah, it was super easy for us to buy a home in Hinsdale in the 1970s or 80s.
00:05:28.000Like, well, I don't know if you're ever going to be able to do that under the current economic established order.
00:05:32.000So what you are seeing is hopefully a rebalancing of that.
00:05:35.000Young people overwhelmingly voted for that in an amazing way back in November.
00:05:40.000Because regardless of your political affiliation, the next generation, I believe, doesn't just deserve better, but it's generational theft.
00:06:22.000We are the first generation in American history where parents were willing to make their kids suffer so that they could have it nicer.
00:06:29.000I want you to think about how perverse that is.
00:06:31.000Every other generation would be, I, the adult, will live a worse life so my kid can live a better life.
00:06:38.000This is the first time where they said, we're going to shut down the schools even though the kids are going to commit suicide more, they're going to be more isolated, they're going to be more depressed, even though half...
00:06:47.000Of girls by the time they reach the age of 25 are going to be on antidepressants or clinically depressed or some sort of general anxiety disorder, largely because of the outgrowth of COVID.
00:06:55.000Even though we're going to see all of these mental health issues coming out of COVID, we're still going to lock everything down for something that was never a threat to you in this audience.
00:07:04.000This virus was never a threat to you in this audience, but we did this under the guise in the medium that, well, you might go infect somebody older than you.
00:07:13.000Wouldn't the smarter thing have been just to quarantine?
00:07:16.000The older individuals and let the younger people still have school and still have sports and not shut down Illinois schools for a year and a half.
00:07:23.000And we saw it as a catastrophic failure.
00:07:34.000And quite honestly, we need to allow women to be women again and men to be men again.
00:07:38.000Enough of this persistent war on masculinity.
00:07:43.000In my personal opinion, we need to see young people get married earlier and have more children and have increased families.
00:07:49.000The cycle of just going to go move to a major metropolitan area, as I said, go work for a company that does not like you, does not care for you, and quite honestly resents you, just so that you could have like a two-bedroom, two-bath in the Gold Coast and act like you're living the dream.
00:08:04.000Let me tell you what the actual dream is.
00:08:06.000The real dream is being able to wake up every single day with a wife who loves you or a husband that loves you.
00:08:11.000And even if you're struggling, even if you're going through life with tension, to have children, not just a bunch of cats and a nice job working for Boeing because, oh, I'm told that we have to go pursue the corporate dream.
00:08:24.000There is a deeper existence out there than what you have been sold.
00:08:27.000For the young ladies out there, I understand that there's hyper-feminist lie that's being pushed.
00:08:45.000The happiest women in America are married with kids, by far.
00:08:48.000They are the happiest women in America, by far.
00:08:51.000And we need to not just give young ladies the permission for that.
00:08:56.000We need to say that the most elevated, heroic, and courageous thing that you could do in this country is not go get a second master's degree at University of Chicago.
00:09:05.000It's maybe have more kids than you can afford.
00:09:07.000Build a family beyond what your apartment can actually hold.
00:09:10.000That is actually what it looks like to be a hero in modern America, not wearing a mask fighting systemic racism in the streets of Grant Park, acting as if you're some sort of social justice warrior activist.
00:10:39.000Hey, I've been a fan of you for about six or seven years now, so it's totally nerve-wracking.
00:10:42.000But hey, I'm honestly feeling duped by the Trump administration.
00:10:46.000I feel like they're not totally delivering on their promises, right?
00:10:49.000And I think the biggest promise was mass deportations, right?
00:10:53.000And the ICE Instagram and Twitter accounts, they made a big stink about it.
00:10:57.000They were posting 1,000 deportations today, 2,000 today, and then it slowly started to trickle down.
00:11:02.000And I know Trump called ICE or something and was like, hey, pump the numbers up or whatever, but it just doesn't seem like it's going to materialize.
00:11:09.000And it looks on paper that Obama is going to pass him.
00:11:13.000He's going to have more career deportations than Trump.
00:11:54.000The New York Times just did this huge story saying that hundreds of thousands of people are now self-deporting back to their country of origin.
00:12:01.000They're afraid that they might be deported.
00:12:03.000But I would offer you, I would argue, you need to also offer...
00:12:07.000The president and his administration, a little bit of grace, he's being enjoined to actually be able to do deportations.
00:12:13.000He has been sued over 114 times by circuit courts, basically handcuffing his ability to do that.
00:12:19.000Now, we had an amazing Supreme Court victory yesterday where the Supreme Court came and said, yes, actually, you can use the Alien and Invaders Act to be able to get MS-13 and Trendy Aragua out of the country, which is amazing.
00:13:34.000Give them a little bit of time, right?
00:13:36.000The deportations will increase, and I believe that any person that crossed under Joe Biden should be returned back to their country of origin, and we need to keep the pressure on, and I believe President Trump will deliver.
00:14:54.000I'm a freshman here majoring in aerospace engineering.
00:14:57.000First of all, I just want to say I respect your ability to engage in civil discourse.
00:15:01.000I think that's very important, and I think a lot of the times we on the left kind of get into shouting matches and start ostracizing people not to our advantage, so I respect that.
00:15:11.000That being said, there's a lot of things I disagree with you about.
00:15:14.000I think I want to talk about abortion with you.
00:15:30.000Okay, so I want to propose a slightly different take on that, maybe a variation.
00:15:34.000So if there's a mother and a daughter, the daughter can be a teenager, 20, whatever, and let's say this daughter has some kind of condition or organ failure or something where she needs a bodily part from her mom, like a kidney transplant, and only her mom is capable of giving her that kidney transplant.
00:15:53.000She's the only person for DNA reasons or something.
00:15:57.000Do you think that mom should be required legally by the government to give her kidney in order to keep the daughter alive?
00:17:34.000Here's my distinction I wanted to make, though.
00:17:39.000I think there's a very important distinction to be made.
00:17:44.000Between thinking that abortions are good versus thinking that women should have the choice to have an abortion.
00:17:49.000Because in our scenario, the mother-daughter, you can argue that the right thing to do, the thing you would want to do, or the thing that I would want someone to do, is to donate the kidney and save the daughter.
00:17:59.000But I think there's kind of an instinct that for the mother, some sort of autonomy, bodily autonomy perhaps, stands in the way and basically says the government cannot enforce her to do that, even if it's the thing that we would feel is right for her to do.
00:18:13.000So what about that situation is different?
00:19:26.000You're not addressing the root issue here.
00:19:29.000The root issue is to be philosophically consistent.
00:19:32.000A woman or a man, especially a woman in pregnancy...
00:19:35.000Does not have a right to terminate another human being, regardless if it's in their utero, in their nursery, or whether it's in their car.
00:19:42.000If someone comes up to you and is trying to cause you bodily harm, like trying to, I don't know, not kill you, but trying to attack you and cause you harm, do you have the right to defend yourself and hurt them?
00:24:36.000Is my six-month-old, who demands food all the time and can't hunt and gather, infringing on my rights and my income because it needs food all the time?
00:24:46.000No, because it's not hooked up into your body.
00:24:56.000So how is it any different to have a six-month-old under my custody, which is infringing on my income, infringing on my rights, infringing on my sleep, infringing on a lot of different things as a father?
00:25:08.000How is it any different than the nine months up to umbilical cord?
00:25:11.000By the way, how many people in this audience are currently having their tuition paid for by their parents?
00:25:16.000They're infringing on their parents' income.
00:26:52.000Do you think they would have a right to go pull someone random off the street and hook up the baby into that person's bloodstream because the baby would die otherwise?
00:26:59.000If the NICU machine doesn't exist, what do you think?
00:27:03.000Okay, if the NICU machine didn't exist and you had to pull a random person off the street to save that baby's life...
00:27:09.000Again, none of that is even remotely relevant and hypothetical.
00:27:12.000You're dodging this because you understand that the person...
00:27:14.000The answer is no, because it's not applicable to what I'm saying.
00:27:16.000But again, in some ways you're overthinking it, in some ways you're underthinking it.
00:27:24.000That human development, at its very core, irrefutably, starts at conception.
00:27:29.000I believe human life and human development start the same.
00:27:32.000You can have your own thoughts on that, but human development, our process as human beings, start when our deoxyribonucleic acid, as a zygote, attaches to the uterine wall.
00:27:44.000But allow me to finish, and then we'll get to the next question.
00:27:47.000Therefore, at every step of the process of development, you have the same human rights as when you're 18 or 30 or 40. And the most fundamental of all those rights is life.
00:27:58.000And if we cannot defend your life right, then what good are we defending all of your other rights?
00:28:53.000Reducing abortions by a million a year would be an enrichment of our society.
00:28:58.000We might find the next Einstein, the next Nikola Tesla.
00:29:00.000We might have the next Michael Jordan that is being aborted every day.
00:29:04.000The government's right to be able to do that, I think, needs to be justified by some reason that it affects the government.
00:29:14.000It doesn't affect the government to terminate a baby in pregnancy.
00:29:19.000You don't think a million abortions a year affects anybody?
00:29:23.000I'm not saying it affects nobody, but I'm saying what you're saying, it affects people in the same way that the government not being able to have an army does?
00:29:30.000I would actually think it's an even bigger moral crisis than not being able to enlist an army.
00:29:36.000If you are massacring a million of your own people every year, that's a bigger problem than being able to properly staff the Marine Corps.
00:29:45.000Okay, so you think we're massacring the people, but we also...
00:30:51.000The point being is that throughout history, we are able to sometimes say that in order for life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, defeating the Nazis in World War II, there is a greater good.
00:31:01.000And I will say that what is the greater good?
00:31:03.000That those that are being massacred in the womb can have life because life is good and it's the first of all human rights.
00:31:49.000And I refuse to live under the bigotry of low expectations where we can justify, oh, they're going to have a bad life or they're going to grow up in a crime-ridden neighborhood.
00:32:17.000You granted for a moment the thing about...
00:32:20.000No, I said if I were to grant you the bodily autonomy, it doesn't even bear out that at times the government can actually take possession of your bodily autonomy.
00:33:10.00055 million, I don't know if all of them wanted to have an abortion, but millions of women didn't want to be pregnant and were forced to continue being pregnant against their will.
00:33:22.000Again, we're going in circles, but outside of rape, if you don't want to get pregnant, then save yourself for marriage and stop having so much sex with everybody.
00:33:29.000And certainly, do not murder babies as an excuse for your gratuitous sex.
00:33:48.000Before I ask my question, I just wanted to say to the vegan conservative wherever he is, I thought he had some great moral points, but I do still love meat, even though I think he's right.
00:33:56.000But anyway, I consider myself a proud American patriot, and my question for you revolves around January 6, 2021.
00:34:05.000You would consider Donald Trump to be the law and order president or candidate, I would assume, from what you've said in the past.
00:34:12.000How do you feel about Donald Trump commuting the sentence of Dominic Pozzola, who was the man who stole a riot shield from a police officer on the Capitol grounds and was the first person to enter the Capitol by using said riot shield to break through a window in the Capitol?
00:34:27.000I don't like what he did, but why did Trump commute him?
00:34:32.000Because there was a deprivation of basic due process rights.
00:34:36.000What was that deprivation of due process?
00:34:38.000Well, a lot of them, first of all, some of the January 6th defendants...
00:34:41.000We're talking about Dominic Bozzola right now, who was on camera stealing a riot shield breaking through a window.
00:34:46.000I let you talk, so let me talk, right?
00:34:48.000Some of the January 6th defendants were in pretrial detention for nearly two to three years.
00:34:53.000They were not given proper examination of the prosecution's evidence.
00:34:58.000If you believe in the principle that a rotten tree bears rotten fruit, the entire prosecution of the government around January 6th...
00:35:06.000Was politically motivated, was basically a hit job from the inception, where basic human rights were deprived of many of these January 6th defendants.
00:35:14.000I don't know the specifics of this case, but I can almost guarantee you he was not given a fair trial in Washington, D.C. to be able to have all of the evidence presented as any other American deserves in that kind of a setting.
00:35:28.000Are you familiar at all with the results from the January 6th committee?
00:35:35.000Have you read the part about the Proud Boys and their plans?
00:35:38.000Just so we're clear, the January 6th committee that got preemptive pardons from Joe Biden on the last day because they were so worried that they were going to go to jail for the rest of their life?
00:35:45.000Does that entirely invalidate everything that they found?
00:35:47.000It does make you wonder, why did they need pardons if you were just a January 6th committee?
00:37:08.000And you have criminals like Donald Trump who are going in saying that we are going to weaponize the Department of Justice to go after people like Hunter Biden.
00:39:10.000I was able to actually watch what happened on January 6th and feel disgusted, where you think those were just American patriots protesting the election?
00:39:17.000No, I mean, again, I don't like people that assault police officers or damage windows, but you can agree that 95% of the people that faced federal prison time were nonviolent offenders that were welcomed into the Capitol building by police officers and said, come on in, come on in, that did nothing except go and say a couple prayers.
00:39:34.000How does that negate in any way the people who actively broke in and were the first ones inside of the building?
00:39:39.000It was such an overemphasis of using the FBI Department of Justice statute of interference of the delay of a certification of congressional results that you had people that were just like everyday Jones.
00:39:51.000They launched the largest manhunt in history.
00:39:55.000The FBI's number one priority on their website was not the cartels.
00:40:40.000Yes, in fact, he cares about law and order so much that if somebody doesn't have attorney-client privilege, which was broken, if somebody does not have Fifth Amendment rights or Sixth Amendment rights, then that is an indictment of the entire Biden Department of Justice system.
00:40:53.000And he, as president, has the pardon power to wipe that slate clean.
00:41:07.000You don't have to ignore that mountain of student loan statements on your kitchen table anymore.
00:41:11.000YREFI does not care what your credit score is when the payment on your distressed or defaulted private student loan is so big that you can't ever get ahead in your finances.
00:42:00.000But I had a couple of questions on that.
00:42:02.000First of all, what do you think of how the Trump administration and Trump in particular squares the idea that a trade deficit broadly means that we're getting ripped off or he's equated these in the past?
00:42:14.000For example, you have a trade deficit with your grocer.
00:42:16.000We have a trade deficit with maybe Madagascar.
00:42:18.000I don't really see why that means we're getting ripped off, per se, because...
00:42:30.000I mean, a trade deficit is also a capital account surplus, as you know.
00:42:33.000The biggest issue with trade deficits is industrial policy.
00:42:37.000If you can't make your own drones, if you can't make your own pharmaceuticals, if you can't make your own vitamin C, then you're not a nation.
00:42:50.000What President Trump is attempting to do with tariffs...
00:42:52.000Is a fundamental contention that if you can't make and design your own physical products, your own hardware, then you fail to be a country in the 21st century.
00:43:01.000Especially when we are reliant on our number one enemy, the Chinese Communist Party, to make all those products ourselves.
00:43:08.000So what I think you're going to start to see, you're going to see deals struck with Japan, South Korea.
00:43:13.000You're going to start to see them marching in.
00:43:15.000The market was up today, it was down today, it's all over the place.
00:43:18.000I think all of a sudden you're going to see China be the last one.
00:43:21.000Where you're going to see tariff relief at a lot of our allies, as it should happen.
00:43:25.000And by the way, just so we are clear, there's no reason why Europe should not buy more of our LNG.
00:43:31.000There's no reason why Japan should not buy more of our energy.
00:43:52.000On the national security front, I broadly agree, but then I have a couple of questions.
00:43:56.000First of all, do you think that, so tariffing China, I completely understand.
00:44:00.000What do you think of the idea that you tariff China and you tariff all these other nations, that's going to push them to be more, to establish more, like, stronger ties with China?
00:44:17.000Japan, for example, right now is doing the opposite.
00:44:19.000Japan and South Korea are on planes right now, landing in D.C. in the next couple hours, coming and saying, please, America, let's get this done.
00:45:05.000There is a point where when you are the incumbent economic power and you are in a trade deficit, you have an opportunity to force the other actors to redomicile some of their manufacturing.
00:45:18.000And that would be a good thing for this country.
00:45:19.000Can I have one last question on South Korea, for example, where they're coming and they're striking?
00:45:24.000We already had a free trade agreement in South Korea, so what would be the purpose of us imposing these huge tariffs on South Korea and then negotiating and coming back down to zero?
00:45:55.000And I think we should consider permanent tariffs on certain industries that can last a long time, especially around drones, steel, critical manufacturing, tanks, things that China should not be making for us.
00:46:19.000The goal should be balanced trade with our allies.
00:46:23.000And the fact that the Chinese stock market is collapsing, honestly, it's well past time that we show that we are the dominant player in the world, and the Chinese Communist Party is the greatest enemy of the United States.
00:46:56.000I'm currently agnostic, like, normatively.
00:46:58.000I'm leaning towards prone choice and the virtue of the facts that I take it that pro-life views ultimately fail in accounting for, like, relevant data, being, like, the facts of the conversation, like, biological, philosophical, and identity information.
00:47:10.000And I'm not convinced that identity is reductible down to the physical properties or the organism.
00:48:28.000Yeah, I'm not going to say that the full capacity for sentience is going to be what grants them that moral consideration.
00:48:34.000I'm telling you that any level of sentience, which is why I hold a cautionary principle, but at any level of sentience is going to grant them moral consideration.
00:49:34.000Yes, when you attach to the uterine wall, and the moment at that time, your life began when your DNA was formed.
00:49:41.000Absent intervention, you then form into a fully developed adult, and you do not have a right to interrupt the development of another human being.
00:49:52.000You do not have a right to interrupt a six-month-old or a six-year-old from growing or flourishing.
00:49:58.000You do not have a right to be able to do that.
00:50:01.000That is a basic, self-evident moral principle that just because you are larger or just because you're older, you're able to interrupt another human being from growing.
00:50:11.000Yeah, I didn't say any of that, but sure.
00:52:17.000So, I don't know what kind of argument you're making here because, unfortunately, God itself is just not going to ground that a fetus is inherently valuable.
00:52:25.000Okay, you asked for my scriptural analysis.
00:53:19.000And sentience is like barely there for a one-week-old or a two-week-old.
00:53:24.000In fact, a brain is not fully developed until a boy is 30 years old.
00:53:29.000So what I'm saying is that the growth of the human being continues all throughout this process if you allow that process to go uninterrupted.
00:53:37.000The abortionist argument is that we are going to interfere with that development.
00:53:42.000Because of some convenient, it's too hard to raise the human being.
00:53:48.000Okay, yeah, so I think you're making this, it has the potential to actualize sentience, sure.
00:53:54.000But also, if it's going to gain sentience in three weeks, I just said no.
00:53:58.000It's not going to be morally considerable to not be unalived, or killed, sorry.
00:54:03.000But, yeah, so I kind of forgot one point that you made.
00:55:03.000How do you know a newborn has interest, desires, and motivations?
00:55:06.000Yeah, so I find it that they have the subjective experience.
00:55:08.000And I said it can include things like interest, desires, which is going to include people like you or me, and we have interest, desires, and motivations.
00:56:39.000But anyways, so I'm going to make the claim on the basis of empirical data that we have thalamocortical connections that work in conjunction with our cerebrum that is going to allow us to have thoughts, desires, and motivations and have the human subjective experience, which the mind sentience is what makes us able to have complex intelligence and higher rationale as humans.
00:58:15.000Considering the U.S. has caused instability in a whole host of countries around the world that leads to violent conditions that people have to leave, and then they therefore come to the U.S., do you support creating faster past the citizenship and also keeping families together that here are in the United States?
00:59:14.000I mean, we did start on colonization, absolutely.
00:59:16.000Well, hold on, but what's the difference between settling and immigrating?
00:59:20.000I think, well, the difference is if you're displacing the people that originally take that land, if you're using force to displace the people that you are now taking the land from.
00:59:30.000Yeah, look, 99% of settlers that went west were not displacing anything.
00:59:33.000They were going to barren, unlivable land like Oklahoma.
00:59:41.000Okay, some people did, but it's an insult to the millions of pioneers that went west, saying that they were all violent.
00:59:46.000Many of these people were courageous, incredibly brave people.
00:59:49.000Sure, because the United States government killed people for them so that they could then take the land.
00:59:53.000Again, I don't want to divert away from the point of settlers or immigrants, but as a timeout, acting as if the Native Americans, who have been treated poorly...
01:00:01.000As a side note, are nothing but peace-loving people.
01:00:03.000They were a highly violent, incredibly tribal warfare people before the white man came to North America.
01:00:16.000I know, but this idea that it was just a conflict of conquest or the white man always displacing them is a little bit of a misreading of history.
01:00:24.000Secondly, but I think this is important.
01:00:28.000We are a nation of settlers that went to a barren land and built something new.
01:00:32.000Immigrants have helped enrich the United States of America over 100 years.
01:00:35.000But immigration is always a question of whether or not it benefits the home country.
01:00:39.000If immigration ever gets to a place where you are not being benefited, where your schools are being overrun, or your wages aren't keeping up with inflation, or crime is going up, then you could turn down immigration and prioritize on the native-born families.
01:00:53.000So you don't think that immigration is currently benefiting the U.S., is what you're saying?
01:00:57.000I think that the 14 million people that Joe Biden led across the southern border has caused mass destabilization.
01:01:03.000In fact, in downtown Chicago, there were black neighborhoods that were protesting against their schools being used as migrant shelters.
01:01:09.000Because Joe Biden was sending these people in almost every major city across the country.
01:01:13.000I think that the anti-immigration rhetoric you have is not new.
01:01:18.000I think that you try to paint a picture of it being this current phenomenon that we're facing, but there's been rhetoric from your side for a long time, throughout the entirety of history.
01:01:28.000If we look at the immigration policies in the U.S., even though Chinese immigrants built the entire Western Railroad, there was still the Chinese Exclusion Act because...
01:01:38.000They were providing insane value to the United States, but we still had these exclusion acts because of xenophobic attitudes.
01:01:44.000And so this is not a novel idea that immigrants are bad for the country.
01:01:50.000So I'm interested in why you think that all of a sudden we need to change the way the United States works.
01:01:57.000Well, first of all, immigration has gone in great influxes.
01:02:01.000We basically turned off all immigration in the 1940s and 50s.
01:02:04.000We had like net zero immigration for almost 15 years.
01:02:35.000We're more divided, we're more factious, and we see this in almost every European country as well.
01:02:40.000When you import a bunch of people that don't speak your language, that are from the Third World, all of a sudden you have mass destabilization happening in your country.
01:02:48.000It's not a matter of being xenophobic.
01:02:50.000Instead, it's a matter of being patriotic to your own country and your own citizens.
01:03:26.000I think when you allow a bunch of people that aren't native-born Americans too quickly, with no checks, no background, no idea who they are, and flood them into your towns, definitionally, diversity is not a strength when it comes to local community ties.
01:04:12.000It actually means that you want to be able to communicate with your neighbor.
01:04:15.000There's nothing racist and xenophobic to say, for example, we don't want to import people from a far-off distant land that don't share Western values, that don't treat women the same, that don't have the same respect for freedom of speech.
01:04:28.000So what we see is the unraveling of the United States of America because a country is, again, just undoubtedly It is the people that inhabit it.
01:04:39.000So you have to be very careful what people you allow into your country.
01:04:41.000Sure, but I think that what you're talking about, this mass shift in American culture, is not happening.
01:04:49.000And also, I think that the United States forever has been a mix of culture.
01:04:54.000I don't really know where you can point to a time in U.S. history that hasn't included immigrants in its culture.
01:05:01.000Again, from the 1920s and 1960s, we had...
01:05:05.000Very little immigration in this country, nearly 40 years.
01:05:07.000In fact, that is what largely led to us becoming a world superpower in the 1950s.
01:05:13.000We had the Bracero program back then where we brought in tons of laborers from Mexico to the United States to work in agricultural, and that's how we fed the United States.
01:05:24.000So I really don't think that you can say that.
01:05:26.000It was very limited in scope versus what we see today.
01:05:30.000But again, I will ask a more moral question.
01:05:33.000Does a politician have first loyalty to his own citizens or to another country's citizens?
01:05:38.000I'm glad you brought this because I wanted to circle back to my original question about the United States creating instability in the rest of the world.
01:05:45.000I do think that every single politician, like let's say I'm the Prime Minister of South Africa, you know, my...
01:05:51.000Which is an incredibly anti-white country.
01:06:28.000But considering the United States has created mass violence, instability, and poverty around the world, you don't think that we have some sort of obligation to the people who then have to flee from that?
01:07:38.000So the Puerto Rico was taken from the Spanish as a colony and used as a sugar farm for years, where the workers were paid less than a dollar per day to create sugar for the United States.
01:07:49.000And it's not really about statehood or independence.
01:07:51.000It's about letting Puerto Rico decide that for themselves.
01:07:54.000And anyway, this isn't about Puerto Rico.
01:09:45.000But again, to blame the evil U.S. intervention.
01:09:48.000For every single problem, is at its core intellectually sloppy?
01:09:53.000I don't think so, because the United States has two times the military of the rest of the world, and it has been in our DNA to intervene in a military way in other countries.
01:10:03.000So to say, I mean, I know you believe in...
01:10:05.000So I want to try to square this all together, but I've got to get another question, just to make sure I'm clear.
01:10:09.000So you're mad at America for getting involved in other people's countries, right?
01:10:33.000That at its core, I'm glad you articulated it, is neoconservatism, which is invade the world, invite the world.
01:10:39.000Which is that you don't support the invasion part of it, but somehow we have to invite the world to some sort of, like, mass penance.
01:10:45.000So, but that's like, you invade and then say, oh, no, I don't support the invasions.
01:10:49.000I'm just, I think you are overly ascribing fault to the United States of America, when in reality, it's these own broken countries that cannot get their own act together.
01:10:58.000A great example is this, and I'll close with this.
01:11:00.000El Salvador is actually safer than America.
01:11:35.000And now if you look at the way they were able to turn around, they had to declare a state of emergency just to be able to turn things around.
01:11:41.000It's just like, this is where we're different.
01:12:00.000I think we're a wonderful country, and I think of a country as poor.
01:12:03.000They're poor by choice, and they have to be able to get their act together, make better decisions, and stop acting like victims all the time.
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01:13:19.000So, you can see how the mass deportations are extremely dangerous to our country morally, economically, and for how they allow for the erosion of our civil liberties.
01:13:25.000How can you support the mass deportations and Trump's broader immigration policies?
01:13:31.000I can provide several examples if you would like.
01:13:44.000I think that you probably should find them, and I think you should know where they are, but I don't think you should put them in jail or necessarily deport them.
01:13:52.000Okay, yeah, I mean, look, a very basic custom and principle is if you come into a country unwanted, unwarranted, uninvited, you return back to your country of origin.
01:16:22.000I would say, like, I mean, dude, because, like, if other countries are economically bad and they're coming here, like, they want to come here and work.
01:16:44.000We believe, as Christians and in the West, in an axiological truth which that every human being has written on their heart some form of right or wrong.
01:16:51.000It is inherently wrong to steal their people's stuff.
01:16:53.000It's inherently wrong to walk into people's homes uninvited.
01:16:56.000It's inherently wrong to go after somebody and harass them or whatever.
01:16:59.000So it's a universal law that you don't get to go places where you aren't invited.
01:21:33.000It's okay to kill people outside the country and then come back in?
01:21:39.000A theater of war in an act of self-defense is a morally different universe than going and just plowing and gangbanging in the south side of Chicago.
01:21:49.000But we were just saying that we wouldn't, like, you wouldn't allow a draft.
01:22:22.000And then I got to get to the guy I cut off.
01:22:24.000I'm really sorry to interrupt everything, you know.
01:22:26.000Because you don't like people that cut in line, which is why we should deport people that cut in line in our country, because cutting in line is wrong.
01:23:47.000There are ungoverned areas in the city of Chicago where police are not even go, and there are poor girls that are gunned down by crossfire gun traffic and fire.
01:23:55.000We are about to enter the bloodiest summer in Chicago's history, and the police are not to blame.
01:24:00.000The police, you know what the police operate as?
01:24:02.000They come and just bring body bags and they don't even intervene.
01:24:05.000In fact, Brandon Johnson, who will go down as one of the worst politicians in American history and the worst mayor in Chicago's history, that good-for-nothing, petulant Marxist, he removed shot detectors from the streets of Chicago that would have increased police response time by nearly 10 minutes because he said they were racist.
01:24:29.000You know, they are ranked second in the world with this.
01:24:32.000If the police budget is number two in the world to be the greatest military, I would think they're like the internal occupying army in the U.S. It's not just people of color, man.
01:24:41.000It's going to get to you guys too, man.
01:25:46.000The mass deportations are extremely dangerous to our country, morally, economically.
01:25:51.000And how they allow for the erosion of our civil liberties.
01:25:53.000How can you support the mass deportations and Trump's broader immigration policies despite his lies, disinformation, and inherent contradictions with his other actions?
01:26:00.000I mean, again, I've kind of been through this.
01:26:02.000You come into the country illegally, you should be returned back to your country of origin.
01:26:05.000I think that it should matter the context for why the person is coming.
01:26:08.000For example, we have asylum seekers, and the processes, they're supposed to go into the country and then claim asylum.
01:26:13.000That is international law, and if you are being threatened in your home country, you should claim asylum for your life and the life of your family.
01:26:20.000We should not necessarily inherently turn those people off.
01:26:22.000First of all, our asylum process is a total sham.
01:26:24.000But let's take that moral standard that you have set.
01:26:31.000The left has damaged it, where in six years you get a court date, You get like a piece of paper to notice, and you get put into the interior of the country, and we never hear from you again.
01:26:40.000It's five or six scripts that people are taught to recite.
01:26:42.000You save these five or six words, you say poof the magic words, and you're released into the interior of the United States.
01:26:47.000You get a phone, you get benefits, and we never hear from you again.
01:26:50.000But let's just take that moral standard, and we'll close with this.
01:26:53.000Because I think it's a great defining distinction of conservatives and people that, I don't want to say are on the left, but wherever you might be.
01:26:59.000You say we should take into account when people come into this country illegally.
01:27:47.000I think that if you were going to die, if you did not steal a loaf of bread, it's okay to steal a loaf of bread.
01:27:53.000I think that if you were going to break into another country because someone has a gun to your head or they're going to kill your family, it's okay.
01:27:58.000And that's actually the opposite is happening on the southern border.
01:28:01.000Instead, it's people paying the cartel to come into the United States of America, not the other way around.
01:28:06.000But again, we do not look at things through a moral prism of victim and victor.
01:28:10.000Like, oh, these are a bunch of victims.
01:28:12.000We look at things through right and wrong, moral and immoral, and just and unjust.
01:28:16.000And it is unjust to show up to a country uninvited.
01:28:20.000And plead, you know, third world poverty and say, here are the five magic words, and poof, you come into the United States of America.
01:30:41.000Morally impossible to say to the American people that you can't kick out people of your own country because you have to wait six months for all 14 million of them.
01:30:47.000You have to allow them their due process.
01:30:48.000That is a foundational part of our democracy.
01:30:51.000Again, first of all, we're not a democracy.
01:31:47.000Again, if you don't believe me, look this up.
01:31:51.000This is also why we are going and revisiting the birthright citizenship, because we don't believe birthright citizenship applies to everybody under the 14th Amendment.
01:32:13.000The Immigration Naturalization Act, the repelling of the Alien Invasion Act, all of them point towards one simple thing, that we can accelerate the deportation of foreign invasions and foreign invaders.
01:32:51.000Instead, all of a sudden, when a bunch of MS-13 and Trendy Aragua members are getting deported back to their country of origin, they're big defenders of the Constitution.
01:33:00.000It is an intentional ploy and weapon to stop mass deportations and we will not fall for it.