The Charlie Kirk Show - Can RFK Win? with Tom Del Beccaro and Sen. Ron Johnson

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00:00:01.000 Senator Ron Johnson joins us for the latest regarding Hunter Biden and the injustice of the Justice Department.

00:00:08.000 And then a very special guest to talk about: Can RFK Jr. win the Democrat primary?

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00:00:40.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:22.000 Joining us now is Senator Ron Johnson.

00:01:24.000 Senator, thank you for making time for us.

00:01:26.000 Senator, you've been on the case for quite a while now, getting the documents, putting them together, Marco Polo report, the whole deal when it comes to Hunter Biden and the Biden crime syndicate.

00:01:38.000 And then we get some announcement of this kind of plea deal, backroom sweetheart thing.

00:01:43.000 I'm just curious, what is your reaction?

00:01:45.000 You've been trying to pursue justice through your own ability as a senator.

00:01:50.000 Are you underwhelmed, disappointed, upset?

00:01:53.000 What are your thoughts?

00:01:54.000 I think this deal stinks to high heaven.

00:01:57.000 It certainly confirms the fact that we have a multi-tier system of justice.

00:02:01.000 We don't have equal application of justice under the law.

00:02:04.000 There is so much that needs to be investigated here.

00:02:07.000 Senator Grassy and I pretty well ran out of time.

00:02:09.000 We were doing our investigation during COVID.

00:02:12.000 The FBI was interfering in our investigation.

00:02:15.000 Democrats in the Senate were interfering in our investigation.

00:02:20.000 But again, there's so many unanswered questions here.

00:02:22.000 This is what I've been concerned about: that they would come up with some plea agreement to lesser charges.

00:02:29.000 My added concern right now is part of that plea agreement, sealing the records so that we never get to see what the truth is.

00:02:39.000 I was interested that I found it was interesting that Attorney Weiss said that his investigation is ongoing.

00:02:45.000 You know, what we had a real problem with during our investigation of the corrupt FBI investigation, Crossfire Hurricane, the Russian collusion hoax, is every time we would request, or I even had to subpoena Christopher Wray, we didn't get squat because the excuse they used is, well, this is under active investigation.

00:03:06.000 We can't share that information with you.

00:03:07.000 So if you've got a plea agreement that seals records, specific records, I mean, what a great way of sweeping the most recent allegations under the rug of the $10 million bribery screen that supposedly, or there's allegation that there are 17 recordings.

00:03:23.000 So, oh, we've looked at that.

00:03:24.000 We didn't find any.

00:03:25.000 What a perfect way of doing it.

00:03:27.000 You know, plea agreement, seal those records.

00:03:29.000 And then anything that James Comer with subpoena power is going after, you just say, well, we'd love to give it to you, but it's under active investigation.

00:03:38.000 We can't give you that information.

00:03:40.000 It's, by the way, it's always the excuse federal law enforcement uses not to turn information over to Congress for its legitimate oversight responsibilities.

00:03:51.000 So I think there's a couple of things that come to mind.

00:03:53.000 Let's just start right there, Senator.

00:03:55.000 The executive branch is supposed to be able to be checked by the legislative branch.

00:04:00.000 This kind of technical excuse, yeah, they could have an ongoing investigation for the next 100 years into Biden to protect them from congressional oversight.

00:04:09.000 Is this a larger constitutional question that the Supreme Court's going to need to eventually weigh in on?

00:04:13.000 Because you can't do your job as a legislator, as someone who has a mandate for oversight, if they just time and time again say, well, it's an act of investigation.

00:04:23.000 It feels like a cop-out.

00:04:25.000 Well, it is a constitutional issue.

00:04:27.000 What has happened over the decades is Congress has, in many cases, willingly turned over its constitutional responsibilities and authority to the executive branch.

00:04:36.000 I would argue, primarily to avoid accountability.

00:04:39.000 You know, pass a law called the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act and let the administration fill in the blanks.

00:04:46.000 But when it comes to congressional oversight, what the executive branch has noticed is that Congress has very weak enforcement powers.

00:04:53.000 Now, we can hold individuals in contempt.

00:04:57.000 We actually, if they remain in contempt, we can send our sergeant-at-arms over to arrest them.

00:05:04.000 But that's probably what Congress is going to have to do to get the attention of the executive branch and exert our co-equal branch of government status.

00:05:13.000 But until Congress does that, we have every right to investigate things, to investigate individuals.

00:05:20.000 We have a constitutional authority to do that.

00:05:24.000 But pretty well, we've just turned it over to federal law enforcement and then washed our hands of it.

00:05:29.000 That's got to change.

00:05:31.000 So, and it's interesting because the founders anticipated that Congress is going to be the most political branch.

00:05:38.000 And so that, yes, you should have oversight, but they would never have, I think, one of the things that has just come to life the last hundred years, this administrative state that is basically running the entire government, right?

00:05:50.000 They just kind of laugh at Congress, like, yeah, you guys have elections.

00:05:55.000 We last forever.

00:05:56.000 And it's a major issue.

00:05:57.000 I think the Goliath of the administrative state is one of the greatest threats to our liberty that exists.

00:06:03.000 And you've been great on it.

00:06:04.000 Senator, what is the story of this 17 recordings?

00:06:06.000 Senator Grassley said this from the Senate floor.

00:06:09.000 There's been a lot of reporting on it, but also a fair amount of rumor that has been kind of inserted.

00:06:16.000 What are the facts regarding these recordings and President Joe Biden and a foreign national?

00:06:21.000 Well, even though we're falsely accused of soliciting and disseminating Russian disinformation, Senator Grassley's, in my report, was scrupulous at verifying everything and making sure that everything was solid.

00:06:35.000 And we checked and double-checked everything.

00:06:39.000 In this case, Senator Grassley, again, is being equally careful.

00:06:42.000 We have a whistleblower that talked about these 1023 reports based on a known confidential human source, a credible confidential human source.

00:06:53.000 But this individual is talking to, we believe it might be the head of Burisma, a corrupt oligarch.

00:07:01.000 And you need to take anything that corrupt oligarch says with a grain of salt.

00:07:05.000 So it's been reported that that oligarch told this confidential human source that he recorded 15 times Hunter Biden and twice Joe Biden as he was being bribed by them, or as he was bribing them, let's put it that way.

00:07:19.000 But again, it's an allegation by probably a corrupt oligarch.

00:07:24.000 Can you really believe it?

00:07:25.000 I think what Senator Grassley's point has been is: well, what did the FBI do with this?

00:07:30.000 And that's why I'm even more suspicious, knowing how corrupt some of the political actors in the FBI are in the Department of Justice.

00:07:38.000 Is this how they're going to sweep their corrupt actions as a result to not investigating those allegations?

00:07:45.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:07:46.000 We don't know.

00:07:47.000 They're not being forthright.

00:07:49.000 Past example of that is, you know, Senator Grassley saw the 1023 in a less redacted state, which I think the FBI knew.

00:07:57.000 When they finally turned over the 1023 to the House committee, they redacted that portion and talked about those recordings.

00:08:06.000 Now, why would they do that?

00:08:07.000 I understand the concern about maybe putting the confidential human source at risk.

00:08:11.000 I mean, that is the concern about making these things known to the public.

00:08:16.000 But there's no added risk as long as you're revealing the 1023, talking about the recordings, other than it makes the Bidens look worse, or it certainly wests the public's appetite of learning more.

00:08:32.000 So, again, the FBI has not been forthright here.

00:08:35.000 They've not been honest.

00:08:36.000 They haven't been transparent the way they should be.

00:08:38.000 And I just don't trust them.

00:08:40.000 No, I don't either.

00:08:41.000 And by the way, it's not as if it's an unknown thing to have lawmakers briefed on confidential material.

00:08:48.000 You have skiffs.

00:08:49.000 You know, you and your colleagues are briefed on highly sensitive national security material.

00:08:54.000 And so this is a ridiculous cop-out to say, well, it's a redaction.

00:08:58.000 What they're trying to say is we're hiding something from you, is what they're really saying.

00:09:02.000 And by the way, when it came, please, Senator.

00:09:05.000 I was going to say, listen, it's a tragedy.

00:09:07.000 I don't like saying that I don't trust the FBI.

00:09:10.000 I don't like that I don't trust them, but I don't.

00:09:13.000 And it's not my fault.

00:09:14.000 It's theirs.

00:09:15.000 They have not given somebody like me any reason to trust them.

00:09:18.000 Christopher Wray, I think, has done a miserable job.

00:09:20.000 His number one goal coming in for James Comey, who destroyed the credibility of the FBI, should have been to restore the integrity and credibility of the FBI.

00:09:29.000 He's done the exact opposite.

00:09:32.000 And I share that lament, Senator.

00:09:35.000 I want to trust my federal law enforcement.

00:09:37.000 I think it's important to go after child sex traffickers and terrorists.

00:09:41.000 I think it's important to have bank robbers and interstate criminals to be held accountable.

00:09:45.000 I think it's necessary.

00:09:47.000 At the same time, we see the FBI that just has this pattern time and time again of no accountability.

00:09:52.000 I was just wondering, Senator, the attitude, so a little bit more just like subjective than objective.

00:09:57.000 Do you just feel an attitude of delay and superiority and smugness from the FBI instead of cooperation?

00:10:04.000 And has that changed at all in recent years in your dealings with them?

00:10:08.000 Well, again, I've only been in this position 12 years and really doing investigations probably over the last seven or eight years.

00:10:14.000 But again, the smugness and the arrogance is at the top level.

00:10:17.000 I mean, you have to say, I think the vast majority of people working in these departments have integrity, which is why we're seeing whistleblowers.

00:10:24.000 And we need more whistleblowers.

00:10:25.000 The problem is the whistleblowers, they only have one piece of the puzzle.

00:10:29.000 So we need a lot of whistleblowers to show us different pieces of the puzzle so we can kind of put it all together to really understand what is happening.

00:10:36.000 But there's no doubt there are partisan actors in the FBI and the Department of Justice, and they are arrogant.

00:10:41.000 They are smug.

00:10:43.000 They look at each administration, quite honestly, as this two shall pass.

00:10:49.000 They're the permanent bureaucracy.

00:10:50.000 They have the power.

00:10:51.000 They know they've got the power and they wield it with smugness and arrogance.

00:10:56.000 Boy, is that true?

00:10:58.000 And yeah, when it's this two shall pass, it was not in reference to the administrative state staying in power for Senator, is it then fair to say, and I don't want to be overly cynical, that this is the shadow government, the Leviathan's attempt to just close the Hunter Biden stuff, that they can kind of say, oh, okay, this is over with.

00:11:18.000 Or is there going to be any hope that the actual, like the bigger picture crimes, for example, tens of millions of dollars coming from abroad, possibly selling favors and bribery, or do you think that this is getting sunsetted?

00:11:32.000 Well, that's what they want.

00:11:34.000 You know, we certainly see the mainstream corporate media wanting to close a book on this, saying, oh, this wasn't a sweetheart deal.

00:11:41.000 Yes, it was.

00:11:42.000 Okay.

00:11:43.000 So that's part of our problem here, Charlie, is we have the complicit, the compliant, and corrupt media that they're not journalists anymore.

00:11:51.000 They're advocates for the left.

00:11:53.000 And so they've covered up for Joe Biden for really years.

00:11:57.000 They got him elected, a candidate who ran from his basement.

00:12:01.000 And again, now they want to see no evil.

00:12:03.000 They want to hear no evil.

00:12:04.000 They want to continue to cover up for the Biden family because they'd like to see the guy get re-elected, unbelievably.

00:12:11.000 But that's what, you know, so again, we've got corrupt partisan actors in the deep state.

00:12:15.000 It's pervasive.

00:12:16.000 It is, you know, in all agencies, I would say.

00:12:21.000 And we've got a compliant and corrupt and complicit media as well.

00:12:25.000 It's powerful opponents.

00:12:28.000 It's not a fair fight.

00:12:30.000 It's not a level playing field.

00:12:31.000 No, it's not.

00:12:32.000 And you're doing a wonderful job in a very, very difficult scenario and circumstance.

00:12:37.000 And as you say it best, the administrative state, their advantage is their permanency, is that they'll just delay or they'll redact or they'll have an excuse or they'll punt because they're not going anywhere.

00:12:52.000 They're institutionally anchored.

00:12:53.000 They stonewall and they say all the bluster of politics. 1.00

00:12:58.000 This is Woodrow Wilson's vision.

00:12:59.000 He wanted a permanent, immovable administrative state that is not impacted by the will of the people.

00:13:06.000 Final thoughts, Senator, about 45 seconds remaining.

00:13:09.000 Of course, what they always say, well, there's no proof.

00:13:11.000 Well, there's no proof because they know what they did.

00:13:14.000 They know how to hide the ball and they're very good at hiding the ball.

00:13:17.000 So these investigations are difficult.

00:13:21.000 People who've done wrong hide it.

00:13:23.000 And when you're dealing with federal law enforcement, trying to enforce the law against federal law enforcement, it's pretty darn difficult to do.

00:13:30.000 So we need more whistleblowers.

00:13:32.000 Please come to our office, ronjohnson.senate.gov whistleblowers, and tell us your story.

00:13:39.000 Say that website one more time for our national audience, please.

00:13:42.000 Ronjohnson.senate.gov slash whistleblowers.

00:13:46.000 Fabulous.

00:13:47.000 That is a direct action item, everybody.

00:13:49.000 If you've seen something or know something, I believe it's your patriotic duty, your obligation to speak out.

00:13:55.000 And Senator Johnson will make sure, to the best of his ability, you're protected under the law.

00:13:59.000 Senator, thank you so much.

00:14:01.000 Have a great day.

00:14:02.000 Thank you.

00:14:03.000 Man, I'll tell you, Senator Johnson is one of the good guys.

00:14:06.000 He is great.

00:14:08.000 So I get asked frequently, Charlie, who should be Donald Trump's vice president?

00:14:12.000 I think Byron Donald is an interesting recommendation.

00:14:15.000 I think Senator Ron Johnson makes a lot of sense.

00:14:17.000 Now, hear me out.

00:14:18.000 We have to win Wisconsin.

00:14:20.000 It's one of the three states that are necessary to win.

00:14:22.000 And Wisconsin will support one of their own.

00:14:24.000 They're a very tribal state, I mean in the best way.

00:14:27.000 They like one of their own.

00:14:28.000 He has won three difficult elections in that state, despite having hundreds of millions of dollars spent against him. 0.91

00:14:34.000 He was the leader against the mRNA shot that they called the vaccine, regardless, despite, I should say, not regardless, despite all of the garbage thrown at him.

00:14:48.000 He's excellent on immigration.

00:14:49.000 He's been amazing on the Marco Polo report.

00:14:51.000 Yes, he's not exactly where I'm at on Ukraine, but I can put that aside.

00:14:57.000 And I also think that he would help with some of our target voters in Arizona and Georgia.

00:15:02.000 I want to hear your thoughts.

00:15:03.000 Potentially, who should Donald Trump pick as a vice president?

00:15:06.000 I think the top of the list, Senator Ron Johnson, he's looking better and better by the day.

00:15:10.000 I think he would do a great job.

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00:16:20.000 Can Robert F. Kennedy Jun win the Democrat primary?

00:16:29.000 Well, joining us now is Thomas Gdel Beccaro.

00:16:32.000 Did I say that right, Thomas?

00:16:34.000 Sure hope so.

00:16:35.000 You did.

00:16:35.000 Thanks so much.

00:16:36.000 Great.

00:16:36.000 Is joining us to kind of explore this provocative topic.

00:16:40.000 I am not willing to dismiss this.

00:16:42.000 I think it's a low probability, but do you think RFK Jr. can win the Democrat nomination?

00:16:51.000 All right.

00:16:52.000 Well, you're talking to someone who in 1969 bet on the New York Jets to beat the Colts.

00:16:57.000 So I'm big on underdogs.

00:16:59.000 Oh, the name is.

00:17:01.000 Okay.

00:17:01.000 So there you go.

00:17:02.000 That was the old NFC, AFC days where I think they were 17-point underdogs in that Super Bowl.

00:17:08.000 Was that their memory?

00:17:08.000 Very good.

00:17:09.000 And I bet it straight up, you're right.

00:17:11.000 Good memory.

00:17:13.000 Yeah.

00:17:13.000 So if we look at RFK, we got to think about the actual race, but then about the DNC.

00:17:20.000 Because if you take yourself back to February of 2020, what did the DNC and the Democrats do?

00:17:30.000 They saw that Bernie Sanders was going to be the nominee because he was about to clean up in March.

00:17:38.000 They went to Pete Buttigieg and forced him out of the race.

00:17:43.000 Excuse me.

00:17:44.000 So they effectively brokered the nomination in front of everyone.

00:17:49.000 They, in a sense, changed the rules to make sure that the person the establishment wanted to win, Joe Biden versus Bernie Sanders, would.

00:18:01.000 And so it wasn't a fair game.

00:18:03.000 So is it a fair game today?

00:18:06.000 Well, we know what.

00:18:08.000 They don't want to debate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for lots of reasons, which I know you've talked about on air and in your speeches.

00:18:16.000 He's a disruptor.

00:18:18.000 He went to the border.

00:18:19.000 He's talked about vaccines in a heretical way compared to what the DNC would like.

00:18:26.000 So if we start from the premise that the DNC is going to change the rules, if not cheat in every possible way to stop him, that's the logical way to look at it in the right way.

00:18:38.000 Then you get to step two.

00:18:40.000 It appears that Biden really isn't going to be on the ballot in Iowa and New Hampshire because Iowa and New Hampshire have the temerity to want to do the primary the way they want to do it versus what the DNC wants.

00:18:58.000 So now all of a sudden he gets there.

00:19:01.000 Then what will they do?

00:19:03.000 Will they change the rules some more?

00:19:05.000 It's hard to know.

00:19:06.000 Now, they have lastly.

00:19:08.000 Yeah, please finish up.

00:19:09.000 Lastly, real quick, will Biden actually go through with all of this?

00:19:15.000 That's still an open question in my mind.

00:19:17.000 For the last year, I've talked about the fact that Gavin Newson, you know him out here in California, is doing all the right things to run for president.

00:19:26.000 Is he doing it for 2024 or now?

00:19:28.000 If Biden has to drop out, it's my belief the DNC would change the rules, Drop him in like an Army Ranger at the last minute to somehow win the nomination because they know that Kennedy, A, probably can't win nationally, and B, it wouldn't be a happy choice.

00:19:50.000 So, with those three things, is what we need to discuss about whether Kennedy could actually prevail.

00:19:57.000 So, primaries are tricky things, and it's a lot of emotion, it's a lot of base politics, and Joe Biden is not campaigning at all.

00:20:04.000 And this kind of ignoring RFK Jr. thing is not working because RFK Jr. is not running a traditional, I'm going to win over the Bernie Sanders wing of the party.

00:20:16.000 RFK Jr. is trying to win over just populists across the board, increase name ID and chatter, and almost create a new coalition.

00:20:24.000 I have no idea if this is going to be successful or not.

00:20:27.000 And, you know, MSNBC had a long segment with Chris Hayes and Brandy Zedrozny.

00:20:33.000 And we've dealt with Brandy Zedrozny before in some stories. 1.00

00:20:35.000 She's very smart, a relatively fair person, but she still has that, you know, pepper in her insults. 0.93

00:20:40.000 But I think she did a really good job on this interview where she said, look, there's a new coalition being built.

00:20:45.000 It's not right versus left, but it's top versus down, and you're not trusting the institutions.

00:20:51.000 And Chris Hayes says, well, you know, the liberal coalition in America is a high trust society of institutions, and the right wing is a low trust.

00:20:59.000 And that used to be the case.

00:21:00.000 He's totally right, by the way.

00:21:02.000 It used to be that conservatives were high trust on do you trust the government, high trust on do you trust corporations.

00:21:08.000 Now that's actually changed, where liberals are the ones that are like, yeah, I love Pfizer and BlackRock is great.

00:21:14.000 And the FBI is like, that's really that.

00:21:16.000 That's the true political change over the last 20 years.

00:21:20.000 It's amazing.

00:21:21.000 But let's just kind of talk about the calendar.

00:21:25.000 So Iowa is not the first state, from what I understand.

00:21:28.000 It's actually South Carolina, the first state to actually appropriate delegates.

00:21:34.000 So the South Carolina primary is kind of run by Clyburn and what could be called the black mafia in South Carolina. 0.99

00:21:44.000 Remember, Pete Buttigieg technically won Iowa in 2020.

00:21:50.000 Joe Biden finished fifth in New Hampshire, and then they just paused and they just did a great reset of the campaign.

00:21:57.000 And then South Carolina primary just totally changed everything when Joe Biden, quote unquote, won that state.

00:22:03.000 COVID happened, shut it down, and they proceeded.

00:22:08.000 So that's a long wind up.

00:22:10.000 Can RFK Jr. steal one of these early?

00:22:13.000 I mean, steal, you pick off one of these early states.

00:22:16.000 So you talked about South Carolina.

00:22:19.000 That's the first one the DNC wants.

00:22:21.000 And it's the first one under their rules will give those delegates.

00:22:26.000 But New Hampshire and Iowa may still go ahead of them.

00:22:30.000 And under DC rules, the DNC rules, they'll disqualify those delegates from counting.

00:22:37.000 And then all across the nation, this party that says, in the name of democracy, we need to cut dissent, stop people from saying inaccurate or disinformation as we view it.

00:22:51.000 So the party of saving democracy will actually disenfranchise two long-term states from their natural role.

00:22:59.000 That's what I mean by the DNC will change the rules at any time to get their preferred candidate.

00:23:06.000 So after, let's say he wins RFK, Biden's not on the ballot in Iowa and not on the ballot in New Hampshire.

00:23:15.000 Let's say RFK wins though.

00:23:17.000 What will the media stir be?

00:23:19.000 I know it will be from your point of view, which is, can you actually believe that they're doing no debates and disenfranchising votes, which is what any rational person will think.

00:23:31.000 But then Biden goes to South Carolina and they whip the vote and RFA finishes.

00:23:38.000 Let's say he loses 65 to 33.

00:23:43.000 What happens next?

00:23:45.000 Does he have any money to compete in Super Tuesday?

00:23:48.000 Money is a big deal, as you well know, in politics.

00:23:53.000 And how can he compete all across the country in March?

00:23:56.000 These are the headwinds that he faces, assuming no one else gets in the race, assuming Biden goes forward.

00:24:04.000 So the kind of manipulation of changing this calendar is super corrupt.

00:24:11.000 And by the way, I want to mention your book to our audience here, The Divided Era, How We Got Here and Keys to America's Reconciliation.

00:24:18.000 What I also just find interesting, though, is the DNC used to have superdelegates.

00:24:24.000 They, I think they've got rid of them, but it's just for quote unquote, the party of democracy, oh, they still do have super delegates.

00:24:32.000 I thought there was a movement to get rid of them, but then they diminished their power.

00:24:37.000 Yeah, and I just want to make sure people remember that Bernie Sanders had the nomination stole from him basically twice, especially in 2016.

00:24:46.000 Bernie Sanders was going to be the nominee in 2016.

00:24:50.000 And if you want a super thought crime, Donald Trump would have struggled to beat Bernie Sanders in 2016.

00:24:57.000 I think that the matchup of Clinton Trump was a lot better than Clinton Sanders, I mean Trump Sanders.

00:25:02.000 I know that might surprise people, but I think Sanders would have done a lot better in the Rust Belt than Hillary Clinton, especially because he used to actually be good on trade and immigration.

00:25:11.000 So here's a question.

00:25:14.000 Is it possible for Republicans to cross over into some of these Democrat primaries to help out RFK?

00:25:21.000 Certainly that could happen in California under California rule.

00:25:27.000 Before we get to that, though, the one thing RFK is missing, and you alluded to it, is an organization that is sort of non-aligned that could make the difference from him.

00:25:40.000 Remember, Trump wins the presidency because he uses Twitter and goes around the major media.

00:25:46.000 So what is RFK's plan to go around the major media?

00:25:51.000 Because MSNBC and CNN and the liberal hosts, they more often report on the things that he says that they disagree with than what they agree with, right?

00:26:04.000 What is his plan for doing that?

00:26:06.000 I applaud him for his videos and things like that that in the modern age work, but he really needs some sort of organization to pick him up and do what?

00:26:21.000 Create the mailing list that he has.

00:26:23.000 Bernie Sanders won by going around the major media because he has one of the best email lists during those years that anybody did.

00:26:34.000 Your organization benefits from that as well, does it not?

00:26:36.000 Yeah, bigger.

00:26:40.000 AOC does the same thing. 1.00

00:26:43.000 She has this massive list.

00:26:45.000 So if RFK, if I was advising RFK, I'd say, look, you've got to get an org to help you create that list so you can get that direct message and tell Democrats what's at stake.

00:26:58.000 There's also the story today about Joe Manchin, whether he gets in as a third-party candidate, which would surely undermine the Democrats' ability to win in the fall.

00:27:08.000 But in the meantime, RFK's got to catch fire somewhere.

00:27:13.000 He's got to catch fire, but you could do that in one of these early states.

00:27:17.000 And when you are a sitting duck candidate like Biden, things can catch fire.

00:27:22.000 I'm telling you, in one of these states, it could get close.

00:27:25.000 And Kennedy has something going for him.

00:27:28.000 His last name is Kennedy.

00:27:30.000 Do not underestimate.

00:27:33.000 Yeah, and if you look at the 1968 election, the sitting president Johnson, they came close to him in a primary and he dropped out.

00:27:42.000 Wow.

00:27:43.000 Please check out the book, The Divided Era.

00:27:49.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

00:27:50.000 Mike Lindell's a great American patriot.

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00:27:54.000 The FBI went after him.

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00:28:51.000 By the way, the RFK Joe Rogan interview just keeps growing and growing and growing and growing.

00:28:59.000 It's amazing.

00:29:00.000 I thought that RFK Jr. was very, very well known.

00:29:02.000 I thought he had ubiquitous name ID.

00:29:04.000 I thought it was all across the board.

00:29:08.000 I was wrong.

00:29:09.000 Him running for the candidacy.

00:29:10.000 I have people messaging me.

00:29:11.000 Charlie, have you ever heard of RFK Jr.?

00:29:13.000 Yeah, we had him on the show a couple years ago.

00:29:15.000 And we're going to hopefully have him on again.

00:29:17.000 And I say this: you know, people say that, oh, the right only wants RFK Jr. because he's a spoiler against Biden.

00:29:26.000 No, that's not why we like him.

00:29:27.000 We like him because he's saying things that are true.

00:29:28.000 For example, RFK Jr. is better than almost every Republican running for office on the threat the administrative state poses against ordinary Americans.

00:29:36.000 Thomas, sorry we lost you for a second.

00:29:38.000 Please continue.

00:29:39.000 Yeah, no doubt.

00:29:40.000 The premise of the book, The Divided Era, is that every decision government makes picks a winner and a loser and someone to pay for it.

00:29:48.000 And the more decisions they make, the more divided we become because every American, everything you do, Charlie, the gas you buy, the mattress you sleep on, the closure, everything is regulated.

00:30:00.000 So government has become the center of America instead of where our founders wanted it, which was on the margin.

00:30:07.000 Government today is 44% of the U.S. economy.

00:30:10.000 If you throw in the cost of regulations, it's at 50% or more.

00:30:14.000 So that's what drives this political division.

00:30:18.000 Americans, if they could turn away from government for a short period of time, mean not be annoyed by it or have it taxed or whatever, agree enormously that we should be the land of opportunity and that government and big corporations now like Pfizer shouldn't be creating public policy, right?

00:30:39.000 So yes, there are many people who Government not to fight and fixing.

00:30:46.000 The problem with government today is that it's just constantly in people's faces and causing this division.

00:30:52.000 And when someone like RFK comes out and says, Well, shouldn't we slow down on vaccines before we force everyone to do it?

00:31:01.000 Well, that's total common sense, right?

00:31:03.000 But it doesn't fit the big government, big corporation narrative that we're stuck in currently.

00:31:09.000 Well, and I think that this is where the great political movement that might never manifest because the people in charge might not let it because they want us to talk about trans stuff and race stuff all day long.

00:31:21.000 Is that you can build a coalition of people on the left that want to criticize corporations, people on the right that are more likely to criticize government, but they both are criticizing, they're criticizing an unholy marriage and a corrosive regime that are working together.

00:31:38.000 Whether you're naturally more critical of Pfizer or naturally more critical of the FDA, they're one in the same right now.

00:31:46.000 Final thoughts, Thomas?

00:31:48.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:31:49.000 When Kennedy took over John Kennedy, he lost more states than he won, but then he set national goals to bring people together.

00:31:58.000 And there are goals that can be done.

00:32:00.000 And you hit on the point: how can we get above that, this new policy dilemma of corporatism and the big government?

00:32:10.000 And the answer, of course, is to set the economy free.

00:32:13.000 And that's what a winning candidate will be able to do.

00:32:15.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:32:16.000 Thank you, Tom.

00:32:17.000 And check out his book, Divided Era.

00:32:18.000 Thank you so much.

00:32:19.000 Appreciate it.

00:32:20.000 Take care.

00:32:21.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:23.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:32:26.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 21, 2023

Can RFK Win? with Tom Del Beccaro and Sen. Ron Johnson

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