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00:01:25.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:33.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:50.000And you used to be doing the noise all the time.
00:02:55.000What happened with Cardi B and how did this start?
00:02:58.000And for the listeners that might not be as informed, can you just walk us through it?
00:03:02.000You know, Cardi B is the number one rapper in America right now.
00:03:06.000She sings songs about female genitalia and encourages young girls to do sexy dances that I find to be wildly inappropriate and that I think contribute to the deterioration of not just black culture, but American culture across the board.
00:03:21.000So I have no issues with the fact that Cardi B is an entertainer.
00:03:24.000And when asked about my perspective on Joe Biden, who hasn't given an interview all year, maybe he has given a handful of interviews, decides to make an appearance from his basement to honor Cardi B, you know, former stripper, turned rapper who was extremely uneducated, barely, you know, barely speaks English.
00:03:44.000He's definitively illiterate, which you could tell by her responses to me.
00:03:52.000And, you know, so you know, Charlie, as we've hit the road together many times, I talk about this sort of undermining of the black community that we perpetually see from Democrats.
00:04:01.000And I was having an honest discussion.
00:04:02.000It was more a referendum on the DNC and this sort of repeat strategy to use entertainers to garner black votes with Ben Shapiro.
00:04:10.000And this clip sort of went viral, got a million views, and Cardi B responded to the clip and took it as a personal insult, like she is not worthy to speak with Joe Biden.
00:04:19.000Now, I didn't want her to take it personally, but yes, it is true that a presidential candidate should not be sitting down with Cardi B, who has a song right now out about a woman's vagina and sex.
00:04:31.000So, you know, we went back and forth on this for probably one tweet.
00:04:36.000She tried to say something about politics and her perspective and realized she had no idea what she was talking about.
00:04:40.000She said something along the lines of she'd rather have her tax dollars go to free education than to Trump's campaign, re-elect campaign.
00:05:33.000She made a comment, again, referring to her song, which is all about women and their vaginas.
00:05:38.000And I hate, I'm really sorry for listeners here, but just to give you context, and you shouldn't look up what it stands for, but it's literally talking about how wet a woman's vagina can get for men.
00:05:48.000I mean, that is how disgusting and debased these lyrics are.
00:05:51.000And so she basically said that my unborn child probably doesn't like me because of my female genitality, the state of my female genitalia.
00:05:59.000I mean, it's so crazy and disgusting to speak about.
00:06:02.000And, you know, I hit her back very quickly and said, wow, attacking an unborn child, how very Democrat of you.
00:06:07.000And then proceeded to educate her about the statistics around abortion and how many black lives that's taken from the black community.
00:06:15.000When I read that tweet, I said, Candace absolutely wrote that herself because I could just see how very Democrat of you.
00:06:20.000I've seen you do that before to campus leftists.
00:06:25.000But I think it actually, Candace, what gave me great joy and delight in watching that kind of back and forth is in real time, I saw your vision actually being not just manifest.
00:06:34.000I just saw it actually happening where you wanted the Democrat civil, you wanted a Black Civil War to happen.
00:06:38.000I remember you talked about this from the first time I met you.
00:06:43.000I saw Cardi B and Candace going after it.
00:06:46.000Can you talk about how it's a really healthy thing, actually, that these conversations are happening?
00:06:50.000Because Cardi B almost in some ways fell for the trap because millions of black people then saw a discourse they otherwise probably wouldn't have.
00:07:20.000But when people would say things that were untrue or call them coons or call them Uncle Toms, they sort of just took it.
00:07:25.000And that really is a symbol of just their, you know, remarkable education.
00:07:28.000They're not going to get down in the dirt and fight.
00:07:30.000And I knew that the fight needed to take place, you know, that we needed to get down in the dirt and declare, declare these turf wars and say, you know, just because I'm a black conservative does not mean that I need to shut up, does not mean that you have the right to call me, you know, racial, racial slurs.
00:07:47.000And I think in taking someone on as big as Cardi B, somebody with 75 million followers on Instagram and winning, you know, and dragging her through and proving my point and showing that everything she's accusing Trump of being, she accused Trump of being a racist.
00:08:01.000That's why we got to get him out of office.
00:08:03.000It took her two tweets before she was posting Instagram posts about my husband's being white and what being what the white man must do to me, which is why I posited the question.
00:08:11.000Just imagine a world in which somebody did that the other way.
00:08:14.000If somebody got into a fight, if Mark Zuckerberg got into a fight with Alex O'Hanian and said, oh, well, you're married to Serena Williams.
00:08:20.000That black woman must have done this to you.
00:08:38.000So, you know, via Blexit, my foundation, and this movement of black conservatives who are finally getting the audacity to speak up for ourselves.
00:08:45.000And Cardi B just sort of took that to the next level in terms of the ideological war that's waging in the black community.
00:08:51.000I want to reinforce that because I was there in the early days when you were articulating this exactly.
00:09:57.000So, I mean, this is, it kind of gave me an opportunity to really take people through my story because the media has been able to create a caricature of me.
00:10:05.000Almost like this girl must have grown up in a wealthy Connecticut community and had everything handed to her.
00:10:10.000She acts white, which means I speak proper English, I think.
00:10:14.000And so it allowed me to sort of lay the groundwork and take people through where these conservative ideas came from.
00:10:19.000And I talk about the early seeds of conservatism in the first chapter, which actually came from my grandparents.
00:10:32.000And they had rules and they believed in rules.
00:10:34.000They believed that there was a right and there was a wrong.
00:10:36.000And I talk about, you know, constantly having this healthy fear of my grandfather growing up in his household and stealing those early values in me.
00:10:44.000And my grandfather grew up on a sharecropping farm.
00:10:46.000He grew up with the real Ku Klux Klan shooting bullets into his home.
00:10:50.000You know, my grandfather's first job was laying out tobacco to dry when he was five years old.
00:10:54.000And it sort of builds out the narrative when I challenge Black America to say, we've allowed ourselves the most privileged Black people that have ever lived in the history of the world.
00:11:03.000If you are a Black American, you live in America today, you are the most privileged Black people that have ever walked the face of the planet.
00:11:09.000And that's really, that's really quite a powerful way to look at it.
00:11:12.000And yet we mope and we whine more than our ancestors who lived through way more.
00:11:16.000My grandfather never in my entire life told me I couldn't do something because of the color of my skin.
00:11:21.000In fact, he almost demanded that we do do something because of these opportunities that were laid in front of us.
00:11:27.000So everything that I do is inspired by my grandfather and my grandmother.
00:11:32.000My grandfather is still alive, and he's so proud of me.
00:11:35.000And I want to be what the legacy of those Black Americans, those ancestors who did live through racial strife, like what it should be, which is us embracing these opportunities that America, the land of the free and the home of the brave, gives to us every single day.
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00:12:52.000So, Candace, in the book, you talk about the troubling trajectory of Black America.
00:12:57.000And I think you lay it out really well because the entire theme of the book is how Black America can make its second escape from the Democrat plantation.
00:13:07.000But embedded in that thesis statement, and it's an argument that the left will not agree, is that Black America is still on a Democrat plantation.
00:13:16.000And that's what I like about it, is that it frames things in a given, to use a geometric term, that the left really doesn't want to talk about.
00:13:23.000They're like, oh, no, no, actually, because the left is in a really weird conundrum.
00:13:26.000Either they have to say that Black America is doing really well under our leadership or Black America's not doing, they can't actually decide which one it is.
00:13:34.000Because I have a deeper question besides that, but I think that's a really, because like one day they're like, oh, no, actually, we're doing a great job for Black America.
00:13:40.000The next day, like, actually, Black America's off.
00:13:44.000And it's funny you say that because it is a conundrum, because at the same time that they tell us basically to view ourselves like we're still living through slavery, they get really angry when I say Democrat plantations, that we're on the Democrat plantation.
00:13:58.000And I really, my favorite chapter in this book is on slavery, where I build that out from start to finish and talk about, listen, guys, I have said Democrat plantations, and let me now show you what I mean.
00:14:08.000And what I mean by that is I go and I talk about how in order to maintain slavery, what did the white Democrats in the South have to do?
00:14:16.000They needed to make sure Black Americans were illiterate and couldn't read and couldn't write.
00:14:20.000We are seeing that today when you have major inner cities where 75% of Black kids can't pass a basic literacy exam.
00:14:28.000This is why they're relying on culture.
00:14:30.000This is why they're relying on LeBron James to tell them what's going on, because an educated mind cannot be enslaved.
00:14:35.000What was central to maintaining slavery, and I talk about Frederick Douglass in this book, how he, in his autobiography, details how he felt nothing when his mother died, felt nothing when he was taken away from his sisters, was the breakdown of family, no familial tiles, because then it allows a system to take place and allows them to move you around within the system.
00:14:52.000And you think this is the normal because you don't have a family.
00:14:55.000So I literally studied just how slavery works.
00:14:58.000It's mind-boggling to think about, you know, how could they have maintained this?
00:15:01.000Well, and really what we're seeing today are updated, modernized, modernized techniques that they used back in the day when we were their physical slaves.
00:15:20.000What's the one thing that slavery always had in common?
00:15:24.000There was always more slaves than masters.
00:15:26.000And crap, Charlie, I should have included that in my book.
00:15:29.000Oh, I hate that you don't do that again.
00:15:32.000No, now you can add it on in some of the interviews, but it's true.
00:15:35.000And what's really interesting is psychologically, in order for slavery to exist, whether it be ideological slavery, whether it be psychological slavery or physical slavery, is a fear and a lack of capacity for the slaves to be able to challenge the masters, right?
00:15:54.000And what you're trying to do, which is a very moral crusade, it's so important, is you're actually believing in black America where Democrats aren't.
00:16:02.000And so, in a lot of different ways, and this is what's so perplexing about the LeBron James of the world.
00:16:07.000LeBron, in a lot of different ways, he should be saying, guys, I made it and you can too.
00:16:12.000Instead, it's, I made it, but I'm not actually emblematic and you're actually all living in an awful country.
00:16:20.000I talk about LeBron James and I say, you know, what's interesting is the people that made it by doing things the right way are telling people to do things the wrong way.
00:16:28.000LeBron James didn't make it because somebody came to him and said, hey, because you're a black man, every basket you make is going to be worth six, right?
00:16:35.000LeBron James made it because he worked hard, he practiced, and he became the greatest.
00:16:41.000I talk about, you know, Tyler, Tyler Perry, and who, you know, who actually is a good example for Black America.
00:16:47.000He doesn't engage in this white versus black stuff.
00:16:50.000And it's important for Black Americans to understand that.
00:16:52.000People that made it with capitalism, with free markets, with hard work are the people that are telling you that you can't make it because of all three, which is quite ironic.
00:17:02.000It's why I so frequently attack culture.
00:17:04.000It's why I've always, and you know this, Charlie, straddled the line between politics and culture because I've understood the significance and the power that culture has in transforming people politically.
00:17:14.000It's so, it's so, it's, I have become more and more convinced that the cultural aspect of it is infinitely more important than the political aspect of it.
00:17:22.000And that's what Andrew Breitbart used to say, flows downstream from culture.
00:17:25.000On the back of your book, and I loved this when reading the introduction, I think it's, I can see exactly why you put this on the book, and I think it really sets the tone.
00:17:32.000It said, quote, while Democrats have long acknowledged our struggles and the crimes enacted against us, they have done very little to provide actual remedies or prepare us for a future that doesn't center on our brokenness.
00:17:43.000As we approach the 2020 election, I'm asking the black community to consider the realities of our current economic state, the condition of our schools and neighborhoods, the number of young men who are incarcerated.
00:17:54.000For far too long, we have been lied to by Democrats who have relied upon our votes to maintain them in power.
00:17:59.000For far too long, we have believed that the state is sovereign.
00:18:01.000We do not belong to the Democrat Party.
00:18:05.000We answer to God, not the God of government.
00:18:08.000So that right there, I think, really frames it beautifully.
00:18:11.000You're making an argument that in the Black community, the Democrats have actually not been representing the true values of Black America.
00:18:19.000And you pointed this out to me very early on, that it's if Black America is wrongly represented by this cultural liberalism, by this almost cultural Marxist idea of, can you dive into that?
00:18:32.000And I talk about Karl Marx, and there's a chapter called On Faith, and I really get into this.
00:18:37.000And it was important for me to do that because I know that within the conservative movement, there are some people that are like, stay away from the topic of God.
00:18:43.000Or, you know, some, you know, some people are like, I'm a Christian, you're an open Christian, I'm an open Christian, but some people don't like to talk about faith.
00:18:48.000And, you know, I start that chapter talking about faith of saying how ironic it is because you cannot say that you stand on the principles of Western civilization without understanding the significance that faith has played and understanding the significance that as our culture moves further and further towards an atheistic culture, Western civilization begins to collapse.
00:19:05.000These things are actually inextricably linked to one another.
00:19:09.000So you don't need to be a person that goes to church every Sunday to understand why faith is important in this country.
00:19:14.000And Black America has always been the most faithful group in America, you know, from the times of slavery, singing Amazing Grace, which ironically was a song that was written by a slave trader who then was later redeemed.
00:19:26.000And, you know, so when you look at the black American culture and the values that it has always stood upon, it is the exact opposite of what leftism and liberalism is.
00:19:36.000And for some reason, the Republicans and conservatives have not been able to present that argument well to Black America.
00:19:44.000And I think part of it is a bit of maybe aftershock because you guys are just so, when I say you guys, I mean white men are just so routinely called racist, white supremacists, sexists, you know, all every day that I think there's been a fear to engage the black community and the and the left has sort of had that stranglehold.
00:20:02.000And what I'm saying and challenging not just black America, but white America, engage, because we have all of the chips on our side.
00:20:11.000This is a community that cared so much about family that one of the biggest rights that they took once slavery ended and their rights were restored was to get married.
00:20:20.000They were looking for long-lost slave relatives.
00:20:22.000And I talk about that Reconstruction era and how Black America performed during that era.
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00:22:05.000And you have a chapter on history, and you've talked about this a lot about how black people have not had their history taught correctly.
00:22:13.000What do you think are some of the most misrepresentative parts of how we talk to our history to young people and black America in particular?
00:22:28.000I mean, I think some of the most important elements are just who and what the Democrat Party was, always has been, and always will be.
00:22:36.000And really, the sleight of hand happened with the Department of Education, in my opinion, actively teaching their history wrong, right?
00:22:43.000So we have Black Americans learning that Lyndon Bain Johnson, who I spend a lot of time talking about in this book, was a hero because he inked the civil rights bill.
00:22:50.000And most Black Americans don't know he basically did that with a gun to his head.
00:22:54.000That in his 20, 20 plus years in the Senate, he voted against every single right that was put up for a vote for Black Americans.
00:23:03.000He was a part of that southern bloc that was dedicated to making sure blacks got no progress in this country.
00:23:08.000And then he ends up president by accident, right?
00:23:24.000And then he puts in place these welfare policies and says behind closed doors that he'll have those Negroes actually said the N-word, voting Democrat for the next 200 years.
00:23:34.000All of this is white from history lessons.
00:23:36.000While they're learning about wokeism and white privilege and all of these things, they're not actually learning concrete history about who the Democrat Party always has been.
00:23:45.000There was never, you know, as you and I both know, some magical switch that happened.
00:23:49.000They have always been the racists, and we have always been their favored oppressed horse to bet on when it comes to maintaining power.
00:23:56.000Yeah, and I think you articulated it great.
00:23:58.000I don't think there was a switch, but I think there was a surrender by Republicans.
00:24:02.000I think it's a very important point: the Democrats took control.
00:24:06.000And you said it because of self-censorship, which I actually fear more than censorship from the government right now, where people just stop talking because they're afraid of what they're going to be called.
00:24:15.000Republicans are most self-censored in engaging in the black community, where it was like, you know, I'm not going to be called these names.
00:24:20.000I'm not going to show up to the south side of Chicago.
00:24:22.000I'm not going to show up to South Atlanta.
00:24:24.000I'm not going to show up to Philly like you guys don't want me.
00:24:42.000So, Candace, you've said something before that's very powerful.
00:24:45.000And you talk about this in your book, about how your grandparents and their generation were trending to be wealthier than white Americans.
00:24:52.000Linda Baines Johnson interrupted that.
00:24:54.000But how is it that Black America is one of the only portions of American society not to be able to continue to say, every generation, we're getting a little bit better?
00:25:04.000Can you tell us a reason why this is the case?
00:25:16.000The only thing that is systemic and the only thing that is plaguing Black America today is white guilt.
00:25:21.000If white people would stop with this guilt and be honest about what's happening in society and stop saying, oh, Black America, it is all our fault.
00:25:41.000What actually happened with Black America and why we started doing worse was because of this plague of white guilt that happened in the mid-60s.
00:25:47.000At the very moment that we actually were given true freedom and equality with the passage of the civil rights bill and the passage of the voting rights is when Black Americans got scared.
00:25:58.000Because actually, freedom is a very scary thing.
00:26:00.000Freedom actually means responsibility, right?
00:26:38.000Black Americans made that switch in the 1960s with the blessing of white Americans who felt guilty because for the first time America said, you know what?
00:26:46.000We did get this wrong, which is a courageous thing, admitting that we did something wrong.
00:26:51.000Nobody questions the fact that segregation was wrong and slavery was wrong.
00:26:55.000But now you have Black Americans that aren't ready to rage to the challenge and who are being enabled by white Americans who aren't willing to look them in the face and say, sorry, man, no, you've got all your freedoms.
00:27:15.000It's one of the greatest movies of all time.
00:27:17.000And there's a part of the movie that I remember growing up.
00:27:20.000We were watching at a class, and there was a prisoner who's given his freedom towards the end of the film, right?
00:27:25.000He earns it after 45 years of being in prison, and he ends up committing suicide because he's not once he has the freedom, he has no capacity to be able to deal with it.
00:27:35.000I just think allegorically, it's a perfect metaphor.
00:27:45.000And this is actually a very interesting thing.
00:27:47.000You've done there's a ton of psychological data that shows this: that prisoners sometimes go commit more crimes to go back to prison because that's all they know, especially young, especially people that are incarcerated under the age of 20.
00:27:58.000And so, it's kind of that golden triangle, right?
00:28:00.000In order to have freedom, you must have virtue.
00:28:03.000In order to have virtue, you must have faith.
00:28:04.000In order to have faith, you must have freedom, right?
00:28:06.000That's the golden triangle that really built America.
00:28:08.000And for black America definitely had virtue and had faith.
00:28:13.000However, they never had freedom until the Civil Rights Act, true freedom.
00:28:16.000And then once the freedom gets instituted, it's kind of like, so what do we do with this?
00:28:20.000And then you have a hierarchy that steps in, unfortunately, of white liberals and really, and black, I would say, black liberals.
00:28:28.000I want you to talk about this that took advantage of the black community, got very rich while doing so.
00:28:38.000About how there have been certain people in the community organizing groups, if you were, that have been selling this lie to Black America that are black themselves.
00:28:46.000Yeah, I mean, really, what they're doing is that they've been able to monetize white guilt, right?
00:28:51.000To go around and say, it's your fault, it's your fault.
00:28:54.000You know, I will be the person that sanctions you and says you're not racist.
00:28:57.000If you're accused of racism, even if you're not racist, and they started to begin to shake down these corporations because now suddenly America flipped, and the worst thing you could have possibly been called was a racist.
00:29:07.000And these people came in and they took advantage of that.
00:29:09.000So, in order for them to sustain their platforms, they need there to always be racism, right?
00:29:14.000There needs always to be some sort of an oppression.
00:29:17.000I liken this even to other movements in our country, like GLAD, right?
00:29:20.000They needed to have something to fight for.
00:29:23.000They got gay marriage, and what happened?
00:29:24.000They jumped to the trans ship very quickly and said, Actually, no, there's still more oppression.
00:29:28.000There's still more things that we're fighting for.
00:29:30.000And they'll keep adding letters to LGBTQIRS until they get to Z and start all over again because they need to make sure that this narrative stays alive.
00:29:38.000And that's exactly what's happening with these NAACP.
00:29:42.000I mean, Black Americans are given the right in the mid-60s.
00:29:45.000There is no systemic oppressions that exist.
00:29:47.000There is absolutely nothing that Charlie Kirk is allowed to do in America that Candace Owens can't because of the color of her skin.
00:29:54.000And they hate me with a passion for saying that.
00:29:58.000That sentence that I've just said drives them crazy.
00:30:00.000There is nothing that Charlie Kirk can do as a white man that I can't do as a black person because, you know, it's a truth and it's an inexorable truth.
00:30:08.000And they can't stand it because it disrupts everything that they're working on.
00:30:13.000You know, I exist to give black Americans back their lives.
00:30:16.000At the same time, I exist to remind white Americans that you are playing the part in this false narrative by staying silent and by self-censoring yourself.
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00:32:21.000You said, what is this Act Blue thing?
00:32:23.000This is one of the most questionable money laundering schemes, maybe, allegedly.
00:32:28.000I have to be careful, allegedly, in the history of the world.
00:32:30.000And then number two, it's mostly white Americans that are contributing to this, Candace.
00:32:35.000And then it's pastors and it is people in churches.
00:32:39.000So are you kind of almost arguing that this is the commercialization of white guilt en masse to actually keep Black America permanently poor?
00:32:48.000I mean, there's no question that Black Lives Matter is not run by Black people and has done nothing to benefit Black Americans talking about the incorporation.
00:32:55.000We know they raised billions of dollars and nobody can tell you where the money went.
00:33:04.000Could you imagine if Turning Point USA and Blexit organization each raised billions of dollars and we had no employees, no office, no events, no, like, I mean, just completely, they never were asked any questions.
00:33:24.000Where's the IRS on this saying, wait a minute, you've raised billions of dollars using the face of Black Americans who you claim have been killed on just.
00:34:38.000And so this is obviously someone extremely powerful orchestrating this behind the scenes.
00:34:43.000You just do not get your organization's name, your incorporation's name painted on the floors of the NBA and on the helmets of NFL players and have every celebrity talking about it, shaking down organizations, and you don't have a building, a person to call a president.
00:35:00.000And I've, you know, I definitely have been working on this for a while.
00:35:02.000Like I've contacted people and said, this is like, this is going to be a big deal.
00:35:07.000When the story breaks is it will break where this money is going.
00:35:10.000And I mean, it is, some heads are going to roll.
00:35:13.000Well, what I think needs to happen, and this is something the conservative movement has not done a good job of, someone should sue blacklivesmatter.com for something, you know, having their church burned down, minor detail, you know, having a family member slugged in the face.
00:35:27.000But then once you have litigation, then you can find out who's behind this, right?
00:36:00.000I mean, this is like, it is the biggest scandal in my mind that has not yet broken in America where the money goes when you donate to Black Lives Matter.
00:36:07.000And like I said, you and I would never be able to get away with this, ever.
00:36:13.000And that's how you know the person behind this is extremely powerful.
00:36:17.000And what's so sick, Candace, is you have black people right now, tens of thousands of black businesses that were wrongly shut down because of the lockdown, black churches that are having to close their doors.
00:36:28.000You have black families that can't make rent.
00:36:31.000Where's BLM coming in with rent assistance?
00:36:33.000Where's BLM coming in to say, hey, let's actually have small business, whatever, small business loans, small business relief?
00:36:40.000We gave out $150,000 to black-owned businesses that were looted and rioted during the BLM riots.
00:36:46.000And I do not have a billion-dollar budget.
00:36:47.000I have no, we're in our first year, you know, and we did that because if you're actually an organization that cares about black lives, that would have been the first thing you did when you saw these hard-owned businesses that they worked their entire lives.
00:36:58.000Black Americans have never been in trouble getting their businesses rioted and looted all in the name of Black Lives Matter.
00:37:07.000They went and they actually said, you know what, we need more of these thugs, more of these people that are burning down the inner cities of our country.
00:37:14.000And so I think you bring up a great point is that there's an architect of chaos behind all of this.
00:37:33.000It's in the book towards the end of it.
00:37:35.000We said it's clearly an organized cell because we were having breakfast at 8.30 a.m.
00:37:39.000It sounded a bat signal and 20 of them came.
00:37:41.000It was a Monday morning, ladies and gentlemen.
00:37:44.000Unless it is your full-time job, you did not, you weren't just working at some job and said, got to go and put on a, you know, put on an outfit like you're turning to Superman after Clark Kenn and came to go after Charlie and Candace.
00:37:55.000This has always been, they've been employed.
00:37:59.000So these terrorists, this is an organized cell.
00:38:01.000And we've been calling this out for years.
00:38:03.000And now, just now, the conservatives are starting to say, wait a second, we need to look into Antifa.
00:38:07.000And I just think that Republicans, conservatives need to act sooner because it's all so obvious and they get away with it for years before we do anything about it.
00:38:28.000I don't know if it's a good group or a bad group.
00:38:29.000I haven't looked into it, but he doesn't deserve to get murdered in the streets by a thug.
00:38:34.000And so this is really something that I don't understand for the life of me why the Department of Justice has not opened a RICO case into BLM and into Antifa.
00:38:43.000It's just one of the biggest disappointments that I've seen.
00:38:45.000I think that our DOJ has been infiltrated from the bottom up from Obama, Biden Cinco Fantz, and Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch.
00:38:53.000So I want to talk about that too, Candace.
00:38:55.000You do mention in your book the need to leave the Democrat plantation.
00:39:38.000I think they knew that he had it the second they came into January.
00:39:40.000They have not stopped, you know, the assault.
00:39:43.000They went straight from impeachment to COVID-19, kill his economy, never open up ever again.
00:39:48.000You know, the perfect narrative to go after what was really black progress, black people getting up on their two feet, you know, getting off of food stamps, getting off of welfare, the lowest ever, you know, black unemployment rate in this country.
00:40:01.000And they saw that and black Americans felt that.
00:40:03.000And all of those false promises of he's, if he gets into office, you'll be on slave ships.
00:40:11.000So I think that he is on target and I think he's done a very good job of just delivering results.
00:40:16.000You know, not doing anything special for black Americans, but treating them like true Americans, and which is that in this country, if you like opportunity, I can give you that, right?
00:40:26.000If you want handouts, free stuff and to be treated like a toddler, that's not the promise that the Trump organization that Trump is giving to you and this administration is promising to you.
00:40:34.000But if you view yourself as a part of the American dream and you have desires and wants and you're willing to go out and get them, then this is the administration for you.
00:40:43.000In terms of what I think they could do better, I think they are the worst when it comes to messaging and getting out what they're doing.
00:40:49.000I think that they, and honestly, that's a sign of the times changing.
00:40:54.000They're not very good at marketing and getting out like all the amazing things that they're doing.
00:40:59.000And they don't rely, I think, on the right people who do understand it.
00:41:02.000We're shifting from, you know, the old timers TV market to social media, which is something that you and I understand.
00:41:10.000And I think that they should bring in something, you know, younger and fresher to be able to sort of get out the message of what Trump believes in and what he's done.
00:41:17.000I, yeah, off this stream, I'll send you the document of all the off-the-wall ideas I had.
00:41:25.000I had this idea of live streaming the president for two hours straight and just showing how he is as a person, right?
00:41:32.000Just showing him behind the resolute desk and just bringing in, you know, not just all sorts of different people and just, you know, having fun with it.
00:41:39.000And I think that there's a multi-sultimensional, magnanimous, fun, you know, the president.
00:41:44.000He's so different than how the media portrays him.
00:41:47.000And honestly, Black America, I think a lot of them are looking for a reason to vote for Trump.
00:41:52.000I think that, again, I do want to give Jared credit and the White House credit.
00:41:56.000They have gone above and beyond, more so than most Republicans to really do this.
00:42:00.000I just think that it could be done even more.
00:42:02.000So Candace, in the couple of minutes we have remaining, I want to ask you, Kanye West tweeted out your book.
00:42:11.000And, you know, I realize that I prefer friendship to stay private than to go on like, you know, Kanye carpet ride.
00:42:20.000His brand is so big that it could swallow mine in two days.
00:42:24.000But, you know, Kanye has been consistent.
00:42:26.000He's been, you know, consistently conservative and has consistently set himself apart from the narrative that we see on the left of I can't do anything in this country.
00:42:37.000And, you know, there are ways for him and I to work together on those dreams, which transcend Trump, transcend, you know, any election, but really focus on lifting up Black Americans and lifting up people in general.
00:42:51.000And so, you know, we work privately together.
00:42:54.000And I learned my lesson the hard way in terms of doing things publicly.
00:42:57.000And I try to just keep it that way now.
00:43:27.000I mean, just what I'm hearing on the ground is that you still have those black Americans who fully, you know, will say they'll never vote for Trump, but they also fully will never vote for Biden.
00:43:36.000And they understand Biden's history, you know, which is way in terms of you want to accuse Trump of racism.
00:43:42.000Biden's voting for segregation said black Americans should be segregated, voted against busing, all of these things when he was in the Senate and wants black Americans to just forget about it because he's speaking to Cardi B.
00:43:51.000And Black Americans haven't forgotten about it.
00:43:53.000This is the first candidate that I've seen that didn't get glowing endorsements from the Breakfast Club, who, you know, Charlemagne the guys had a lot of questions for him and he's scared to go back.
00:44:03.000You know, you ain't black, that notorious comment.
00:44:05.000And I believe that when they step into the booth, they're going to be looking for an alternative candidate and that they are that those people who are usually aligned with the Democrat Party are going to hit Kanye.
00:44:15.000And those votes will be taken away from Joe Biden.
00:44:18.000And I know that Kanye said something to that effect in a Forbes interview.
00:44:22.000And, you know, I mean, it is what it is.
00:44:24.000I don't see this as anything that's going to hurt Donald Trump.
00:45:02.000I say that if Joe Biden magically, for whatever reason, all of a sudden became a Republican, the media would say he's the biggest racist ever.
00:45:09.000They would say, say, play all these tapes.
00:45:10.000They'd play all this clip after the other.
00:45:13.000So the book is called Blackout by Candace Owens.
00:45:30.000And I get a lot of emails from people that say, Charlie, I appreciate, because I've been very outspoken on these issues the last couple of months.
00:45:35.000And in a lot of ways, Candace, you gave me the confidence to do that, that I can weigh in on, you know, criticizing BLM Inc.
00:45:41.000And people say, Charlie, I don't understand how you have so much courage to do that.
00:46:36.000And so, what I am blaming are the institutions, what I am blaming are the white Americans who post the black square and stand in solidarity.
00:46:42.000I'm blaming the white Americans that say, Well, some of the protests were peaceful.
00:46:46.000I'm blaming the white Americans who don't have the courage to post, you know, black squares when, like what happened yesterday, two police officers get gunned down in broad daylight by a black man.
00:46:58.000So, it's the organization, it's the politicians, and it's the individual white Americans who don't have the spine to stand up and say that what is being happening in our school systems and amongst our politicians is wrong.
00:47:07.000That teaching white Americans in school about their white privilege and telling them that there's something fundamentally wrong with their white skin is equally as bad as telling Ruby Bridges that there was something fundamentally wrong with her black skin when she was six years old and led the integration movement.
00:47:22.000Um, so the honest is on white America, it cannot just be put on black conservatives to stand up and speak out.
00:47:28.000Um, and I think that that is what I hope people get when they hold my book: we're all Americans, so we all fight for righteousness and we all fight against wrongness.
00:48:00.000You look into their literature, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, he argued that he wants the primitive over the civilized and the infant over the adult.
00:48:07.000And this is really what's happened here: don't grow up.
00:48:10.000You can just be an infant for the rest of your life.
00:48:14.000And a lot of different ways, your call to action is actually no, grow up, take responsibility, find meaning, get your direction right, work hard, stop complaining, live like my grandfather, because he actually lived a meaningful life where that disconnect happened, right?
00:48:28.000There was a disruption, and that disruption actually was multi-trillions of dollars, was a concerted racist campaign by the Democrat Party that destroyed, I think, the greatest untapped asset in America, which is Black America, truly.
00:48:42.000And you talk about that at great length.
00:48:44.000So I guess the final question, Candace, is where can they find the book?
00:48:48.000And then can you just also just one final call to action for conservatives heading into the election or people in the middle?
00:48:55.000Yeah, you know, my final call to action would be speak up and speak out because you will wake up one day and you will not recognize the country that you thought you lived in and that you were born into and that you were raised into.
00:49:06.000And that's been my fear, especially now that I'm pregnant.
00:49:09.000You know, I realize that this country can go two entirely different directions.
00:49:14.000Am I going to raise my child in the America that I recognize that gave me opportunities and gave me the ability to aspire to this platform?
00:49:20.000Or am I, are we going to exist under a socialist referee because people didn't have the spine to just say something and admit that right is right and wrong is wrong?
00:49:48.000And I consider you to be the Moses of this generation where you're confronting tyranny head on and you're saying, let my people go, let my people go.
00:49:56.000And I think that's a very moral thing that Christians have to recognize that that story resonates with us because it's people in bondage that want to be free while they're in either ideological or actual slavery.
00:50:29.000What an awesome interview that was with Candace Owens.
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