The Charlie Kirk Show - Candace Owens | On Cardi B, Kanye, and Battling BLM Inc. to Liberate Black America

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00:01:44.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:45.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:48.000 So thrilled and honored to be joined by the one and the only, the great Candace Owens, who is an author.

00:01:55.000 Go buy the book right now, Blackout.

00:01:58.000 We're going to talk about that.

00:01:59.000 And I have my advanced copy and I have some questions for Candace, some very tough questions.

00:02:03.000 But Candace, first of all, congratulations.

00:02:05.000 You're pregnant.

00:02:06.000 You're an author.

00:02:07.000 And you've broken Cardi B. Amazing.

00:02:10.000 Congratulations.

00:02:12.000 Thank you very much.

00:02:13.000 It's been an exciting few months.

00:02:15.000 That's for sure.

00:02:16.000 So first of all, I just have to ask about the pregnancy.

00:02:18.000 Do you know if it's a boy or girl?

00:02:20.000 I do know.

00:02:21.000 I'm keeping it a secret.

00:02:22.000 I will tell you offline, though.

00:02:24.000 I can't wait to hear.

00:02:27.000 Yes, I do know whether it's a boy or a girl.

00:02:29.000 And it's been just the most exciting time.

00:02:32.000 Well, again, congratulations.

00:02:34.000 It's been amazing.

00:02:35.000 So let's dive right into the news cycle that has kind of broken the internet.

00:02:38.000 I was watching with popcorn and great delight when you and Cardi B were going back and forth.

00:02:44.000 Now, for all of the listeners' edification, you educated me who Cardi B was two years ago.

00:02:48.000 I had no idea who she was.

00:02:50.000 And you used to be doing the noise all the time.

00:02:55.000 What happened with Cardi B and how did this start?

00:02:58.000 And for the listeners that might not be as informed, can you just walk us through it?

00:03:02.000 You know, Cardi B is the number one rapper in America right now. 0.94

00:03:06.000 She sings songs about female genitalia and encourages young girls to do sexy dances that I find to be wildly inappropriate and that I think contribute to the deterioration of not just black culture, but American culture across the board. 0.90

00:03:21.000 So I have no issues with the fact that Cardi B is an entertainer. 0.88

00:03:24.000 And when asked about my perspective on Joe Biden, who hasn't given an interview all year, maybe he has given a handful of interviews, decides to make an appearance from his basement to honor Cardi B, you know, former stripper, turned rapper who was extremely uneducated, barely, you know, barely speaks English.

00:03:44.000 He's definitively illiterate, which you could tell by her responses to me.

00:03:47.000 I don't say that as an insult.

00:03:48.000 I say that as a fact. 0.79

00:03:50.000 And gives her an interview.

00:03:52.000 And, you know, so you know, Charlie, as we've hit the road together many times, I talk about this sort of undermining of the black community that we perpetually see from Democrats.

00:04:01.000 And I was having an honest discussion.

00:04:02.000 It was more a referendum on the DNC and this sort of repeat strategy to use entertainers to garner black votes with Ben Shapiro.

00:04:10.000 And this clip sort of went viral, got a million views, and Cardi B responded to the clip and took it as a personal insult, like she is not worthy to speak with Joe Biden. 0.99

00:04:19.000 Now, I didn't want her to take it personally, but yes, it is true that a presidential candidate should not be sitting down with Cardi B, who has a song right now out about a woman's vagina and sex. 0.98

00:04:31.000 So, you know, we went back and forth on this for probably one tweet. 0.98

00:04:36.000 She tried to say something about politics and her perspective and realized she had no idea what she was talking about.

00:04:40.000 She said something along the lines of she'd rather have her tax dollars go to free education than to Trump's campaign, re-elect campaign.

00:04:50.000 There's just so much wrong there.

00:04:51.000 It's hard to unpack.

00:04:53.000 So, you know, she then, you know, I accused her of being uneducated.

00:04:57.000 And then she then felt the need to prove that to the entire world is what happened.

00:05:02.000 And you broke her.

00:05:03.000 I loved the image that you retweeted where it just showed Jordan just going in from the free throw line, just dunking over Cardi B.

00:05:10.000 It was almost an unfair fight. 0.77

00:05:12.000 And look, I'm not one to overly attack Cardi B, but she completely crossed the line, in my opinion, when she went after your pregnancy. 1.00

00:05:20.000 And she's actually a criminal. 1.00

00:05:21.000 She's admitted to drugging men and stealing their possessions.

00:05:24.000 And look, we all believe in redemption.

00:05:26.000 I just wish she would feel some sort of sorrow for that.

00:05:28.000 But then she went after your unborn child, right?

00:05:32.000 She did. 0.86

00:05:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:05:33.000 She made a comment, again, referring to her song, which is all about women and their vaginas. 1.00

00:05:38.000 And I hate, I'm really sorry for listeners here, but just to give you context, and you shouldn't look up what it stands for, but it's literally talking about how wet a woman's vagina can get for men. 0.99

00:05:48.000 I mean, that is how disgusting and debased these lyrics are. 0.98

00:05:51.000 And so she basically said that my unborn child probably doesn't like me because of my female genitality, the state of my female genitalia. 0.99

00:05:59.000 I mean, it's so crazy and disgusting to speak about. 0.99

00:06:02.000 And, you know, I hit her back very quickly and said, wow, attacking an unborn child, how very Democrat of you. 0.98

00:06:07.000 And then proceeded to educate her about the statistics around abortion and how many black lives that's taken from the black community.

00:06:15.000 When I read that tweet, I said, Candace absolutely wrote that herself because I could just see how very Democrat of you.

00:06:20.000 I've seen you do that before to campus leftists.

00:06:23.000 I'm like, that is exactly right.

00:06:25.000 But I think it actually, Candace, what gave me great joy and delight in watching that kind of back and forth is in real time, I saw your vision actually being not just manifest.

00:06:34.000 I just saw it actually happening where you wanted the Democrat civil, you wanted a Black Civil War to happen.

00:06:38.000 I remember you talked about this from the first time I met you. 0.97

00:06:41.000 You said, I want the Black Civil War. 0.93

00:06:43.000 And I saw it. 0.70

00:06:43.000 I saw Cardi B and Candace going after it. 0.70

00:06:46.000 Can you talk about how it's a really healthy thing, actually, that these conversations are happening?

00:06:50.000 Because Cardi B almost in some ways fell for the trap because millions of black people then saw a discourse they otherwise probably wouldn't have. 0.90

00:06:58.000 Right. 0.95

00:06:58.000 You know, and I do, it's one of the things that I think I do give myself the most credit for. 0.95

00:07:03.000 There are tons of black American conservatives that have been here before me that will be here after me. 0.98

00:07:07.000 But I think I changed the game of black conservatism in my willingness to fight back.

00:07:12.000 And what I mean by that is, you know, you and I both know Dr. Ben Carson.

00:07:16.000 He's amazing and unbelievably intellectual.

00:07:18.000 Condoleezza Rice, unbelievably intellectual.

00:07:20.000 But when people would say things that were untrue or call them coons or call them Uncle Toms, they sort of just took it. 0.87

00:07:25.000 And that really is a symbol of just their, you know, remarkable education.

00:07:28.000 They're not going to get down in the dirt and fight.

00:07:30.000 And I knew that the fight needed to take place, you know, that we needed to get down in the dirt and declare, declare these turf wars and say, you know, just because I'm a black conservative does not mean that I need to shut up, does not mean that you have the right to call me, you know, racial, racial slurs.

00:07:45.000 And so there's been this fight back.

00:07:47.000 And I think in taking someone on as big as Cardi B, somebody with 75 million followers on Instagram and winning, you know, and dragging her through and proving my point and showing that everything she's accusing Trump of being, she accused Trump of being a racist.

00:08:01.000 That's why we got to get him out of office.

00:08:03.000 It took her two tweets before she was posting Instagram posts about my husband's being white and what being what the white man must do to me, which is why I posited the question.

00:08:11.000 Just imagine a world in which somebody did that the other way.

00:08:14.000 If somebody got into a fight, if Mark Zuckerberg got into a fight with Alex O'Hanian and said, oh, well, you're married to Serena Williams. 0.97

00:08:20.000 That black woman must have done this to you. 0.99

00:08:22.000 You betrayed your own race. 1.00

00:08:23.000 It's remarkably racist. 0.99

00:08:25.000 And we've somehow given a pass to black athletes and black stars to be vocally racist towards white people. 0.84

00:08:31.000 And this society is kind of trained to believe that racism towards white people is okay.

00:08:36.000 And it's not.

00:08:38.000 So, you know, via Blexit, my foundation, and this movement of black conservatives who are finally getting the audacity to speak up for ourselves. 0.94

00:08:45.000 And Cardi B just sort of took that to the next level in terms of the ideological war that's waging in the black community. 0.77

00:08:51.000 I want to reinforce that because I was there in the early days when you were articulating this exactly.

00:08:56.000 You said, where's the arguments?

00:08:57.000 Where's the debate?

00:08:58.000 Why is everyone okay with this?

00:08:59.000 You just start firing at each other and something will come after it.

00:09:03.000 And you saw this playing out when you start to see these little outbursts and Cardi B or, you know, to a lesser extent, LeBron James.

00:09:10.000 We'll get into that, but I kind of put him in a different category. 0.97

00:09:13.000 But I think LeBron is very foolish in the way he's been handling things lately, incredibly so. 0.99

00:09:19.000 But this kind of discussion has been lacking in the black community. 1.00

00:09:23.000 It's been one size fits all conformity. 1.00

00:09:25.000 You must vote Democrat.

00:09:26.000 And then our lives are actually not going to get better.

00:09:28.000 I want to get into the book here, Candace, because you talk about this at length.

00:09:31.000 I'm working my way through it.

00:09:32.000 Almost finished.

00:09:33.000 It's really easy to read.

00:09:35.000 I mean that as a compliment because I could tell you wrote it.

00:09:37.000 You're a very gifted writer because you wrote every word.

00:09:41.000 I could tell.

00:09:42.000 And let's just start at the beginning of the book.

00:09:45.000 You dedicated your book to your grandparents.

00:09:47.000 Can you tell us, can you tell us why?

00:09:49.000 I think it actually sets the tone for the book because I have some backstory into how much your grandparents mean to you.

00:09:56.000 Build that out for us.

00:09:57.000 Yeah.

00:09:57.000 So, I mean, this is, it kind of gave me an opportunity to really take people through my story because the media has been able to create a caricature of me.

00:10:05.000 Almost like this girl must have grown up in a wealthy Connecticut community and had everything handed to her.

00:10:10.000 She acts white, which means I speak proper English, I think.

00:10:14.000 And so it allowed me to sort of lay the groundwork and take people through where these conservative ideas came from.

00:10:19.000 And I talk about the early seeds of conservatism in the first chapter, which actually came from my grandparents.

00:10:25.000 And they weren't political.

00:10:26.000 They were apolitical.

00:10:28.000 But they lived their lives conservatively.

00:10:29.000 It was all about faith.

00:10:30.000 It was about family.

00:10:32.000 And they had rules and they believed in rules.

00:10:34.000 They believed that there was a right and there was a wrong.

00:10:36.000 And I talk about, you know, constantly having this healthy fear of my grandfather growing up in his household and stealing those early values in me.

00:10:44.000 And my grandfather grew up on a sharecropping farm. 0.60

00:10:46.000 He grew up with the real Ku Klux Klan shooting bullets into his home.

00:10:50.000 You know, my grandfather's first job was laying out tobacco to dry when he was five years old.

00:10:54.000 And it sort of builds out the narrative when I challenge Black America to say, we've allowed ourselves the most privileged Black people that have ever lived in the history of the world.

00:11:03.000 If you are a Black American, you live in America today, you are the most privileged Black people that have ever walked the face of the planet.

00:11:09.000 And that's really, that's really quite a powerful way to look at it.

00:11:12.000 And yet we mope and we whine more than our ancestors who lived through way more.

00:11:16.000 My grandfather never in my entire life told me I couldn't do something because of the color of my skin.

00:11:21.000 In fact, he almost demanded that we do do something because of these opportunities that were laid in front of us.

00:11:27.000 So everything that I do is inspired by my grandfather and my grandmother.

00:11:30.000 My grandmother passed in 2013.

00:11:32.000 My grandfather is still alive, and he's so proud of me.

00:11:35.000 And I want to be what the legacy of those Black Americans, those ancestors who did live through racial strife, like what it should be, which is us embracing these opportunities that America, the land of the free and the home of the brave, gives to us every single day.

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00:12:52.000 So, Candace, in the book, you talk about the troubling trajectory of Black America.

00:12:57.000 And I think you lay it out really well because the entire theme of the book is how Black America can make its second escape from the Democrat plantation. 0.51

00:13:05.000 That's basically the thesis. 0.65

00:13:07.000 But embedded in that thesis statement, and it's an argument that the left will not agree, is that Black America is still on a Democrat plantation.

00:13:15.000 They don't agree with that.

00:13:16.000 And that's what I like about it, is that it frames things in a given, to use a geometric term, that the left really doesn't want to talk about.

00:13:23.000 They're like, oh, no, no, actually, because the left is in a really weird conundrum.

00:13:26.000 Either they have to say that Black America is doing really well under our leadership or Black America's not doing, they can't actually decide which one it is.

00:13:34.000 Can you build that out?

00:13:34.000 Because I have a deeper question besides that, but I think that's a really, because like one day they're like, oh, no, actually, we're doing a great job for Black America.

00:13:40.000 The next day, like, actually, Black America's off.

00:13:42.000 Like, which one is it? 1.00

00:13:43.000 Right, exactly.

00:13:44.000 And it's funny you say that because it is a conundrum, because at the same time that they tell us basically to view ourselves like we're still living through slavery, they get really angry when I say Democrat plantations, that we're on the Democrat plantation.

00:13:55.000 It drives them crazy.

00:13:57.000 And that rhetoric is so important.

00:13:58.000 And I really, my favorite chapter in this book is on slavery, where I build that out from start to finish and talk about, listen, guys, I have said Democrat plantations, and let me now show you what I mean.

00:14:08.000 And what I mean by that is I go and I talk about how in order to maintain slavery, what did the white Democrats in the South have to do? 0.74

00:14:16.000 They needed to make sure Black Americans were illiterate and couldn't read and couldn't write. 0.55

00:14:20.000 We are seeing that today when you have major inner cities where 75% of Black kids can't pass a basic literacy exam. 1.00

00:14:28.000 This is why they're relying on culture.

00:14:30.000 This is why they're relying on LeBron James to tell them what's going on, because an educated mind cannot be enslaved.

00:14:35.000 What was central to maintaining slavery, and I talk about Frederick Douglass in this book, how he, in his autobiography, details how he felt nothing when his mother died, felt nothing when he was taken away from his sisters, was the breakdown of family, no familial tiles, because then it allows a system to take place and allows them to move you around within the system.

00:14:52.000 And you think this is the normal because you don't have a family.

00:14:55.000 So I literally studied just how slavery works.

00:14:58.000 It's mind-boggling to think about, you know, how could they have maintained this?

00:15:01.000 Well, and really what we're seeing today are updated, modernized, modernized techniques that they used back in the day when we were their physical slaves.

00:15:10.000 Today, we are their mental slaves.

00:15:12.000 And in the past, we have been their physical slaves.

00:15:14.000 And it's very interesting and important for Black Americans to understand that.

00:15:18.000 And Candace, I told you something once.

00:15:20.000 I think you've cited it.

00:15:20.000 What's the one thing that slavery always had in common?

00:15:24.000 There was always more slaves than masters. 0.98

00:15:26.000 And crap, Charlie, I should have included that in my book. 0.98

00:15:29.000 Oh, I hate that you don't do that again. 0.98

00:15:32.000 No, now you can add it on in some of the interviews, but it's true.

00:15:35.000 And what's really interesting is psychologically, in order for slavery to exist, whether it be ideological slavery, whether it be psychological slavery or physical slavery, is a fear and a lack of capacity for the slaves to be able to challenge the masters, right?

00:15:51.000 And that comes with illiteracy.

00:15:52.000 That comes with propaganda. 0.79

00:15:54.000 And what you're trying to do, which is a very moral crusade, it's so important, is you're actually believing in black America where Democrats aren't.

00:16:02.000 And so, in a lot of different ways, and this is what's so perplexing about the LeBron James of the world.

00:16:07.000 LeBron, in a lot of different ways, he should be saying, guys, I made it and you can too.

00:16:12.000 Instead, it's, I made it, but I'm not actually emblematic and you're actually all living in an awful country.

00:16:19.000 Right.

00:16:19.000 And I talk about that in my book.

00:16:20.000 I talk about LeBron James and I say, you know, what's interesting is the people that made it by doing things the right way are telling people to do things the wrong way.

00:16:28.000 LeBron James didn't make it because somebody came to him and said, hey, because you're a black man, every basket you make is going to be worth six, right?

00:16:35.000 LeBron James made it because he worked hard, he practiced, and he became the greatest.

00:16:39.000 It's the same thing with Oprah.

00:16:41.000 I talk about, you know, Tyler, Tyler Perry, and who, you know, who actually is a good example for Black America.

00:16:47.000 He doesn't engage in this white versus black stuff.

00:16:50.000 And it's important for Black Americans to understand that.

00:16:52.000 People that made it with capitalism, with free markets, with hard work are the people that are telling you that you can't make it because of all three, which is quite ironic.

00:17:01.000 And you're right.

00:17:02.000 It's why I so frequently attack culture.

00:17:04.000 It's why I've always, and you know this, Charlie, straddled the line between politics and culture because I've understood the significance and the power that culture has in transforming people politically.

00:17:14.000 It's so, it's so, it's, I have become more and more convinced that the cultural aspect of it is infinitely more important than the political aspect of it.

00:17:22.000 And that's what Andrew Breitbart used to say, flows downstream from culture.

00:17:25.000 On the back of your book, and I loved this when reading the introduction, I think it's, I can see exactly why you put this on the book, and I think it really sets the tone.

00:17:32.000 It said, quote, while Democrats have long acknowledged our struggles and the crimes enacted against us, they have done very little to provide actual remedies or prepare us for a future that doesn't center on our brokenness.

00:17:43.000 As we approach the 2020 election, I'm asking the black community to consider the realities of our current economic state, the condition of our schools and neighborhoods, the number of young men who are incarcerated.

00:17:54.000 For far too long, we have been lied to by Democrats who have relied upon our votes to maintain them in power.

00:17:59.000 For far too long, we have believed that the state is sovereign.

00:18:01.000 We do not belong to the Democrat Party.

00:18:03.000 We do not belong to socialism.

00:18:05.000 We answer to God, not the God of government.

00:18:08.000 So that right there, I think, really frames it beautifully.

00:18:11.000 You're making an argument that in the Black community, the Democrats have actually not been representing the true values of Black America.

00:18:19.000 And you pointed this out to me very early on, that it's if Black America is wrongly represented by this cultural liberalism, by this almost cultural Marxist idea of, can you dive into that?

00:18:32.000 Yeah.

00:18:32.000 And I talk about Karl Marx, and there's a chapter called On Faith, and I really get into this.

00:18:37.000 And it was important for me to do that because I know that within the conservative movement, there are some people that are like, stay away from the topic of God.

00:18:43.000 Or, you know, some, you know, some people are like, I'm a Christian, you're an open Christian, I'm an open Christian, but some people don't like to talk about faith.

00:18:48.000 And, you know, I start that chapter talking about faith of saying how ironic it is because you cannot say that you stand on the principles of Western civilization without understanding the significance that faith has played and understanding the significance that as our culture moves further and further towards an atheistic culture, Western civilization begins to collapse.

00:19:05.000 These things are actually inextricably linked to one another.

00:19:09.000 So you don't need to be a person that goes to church every Sunday to understand why faith is important in this country.

00:19:14.000 And Black America has always been the most faithful group in America, you know, from the times of slavery, singing Amazing Grace, which ironically was a song that was written by a slave trader who then was later redeemed.

00:19:26.000 And, you know, so when you look at the black American culture and the values that it has always stood upon, it is the exact opposite of what leftism and liberalism is.

00:19:36.000 And for some reason, the Republicans and conservatives have not been able to present that argument well to Black America.

00:19:44.000 And I think part of it is a bit of maybe aftershock because you guys are just so, when I say you guys, I mean white men are just so routinely called racist, white supremacists, sexists, you know, all every day that I think there's been a fear to engage the black community and the and the left has sort of had that stranglehold.

00:20:02.000 And what I'm saying and challenging not just black America, but white America, engage, because we have all of the chips on our side.

00:20:08.000 This is a faithful community.

00:20:10.000 This is a God-fearing community.

00:20:11.000 This is a community that cared so much about family that one of the biggest rights that they took once slavery ended and their rights were restored was to get married.

00:20:20.000 They were looking for long-lost slave relatives.

00:20:22.000 And I talk about that Reconstruction era and how Black America performed during that era.

00:20:26.000 So it's, you know, it's all very important.

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00:22:05.000 And you have a chapter on history, and you've talked about this a lot about how black people have not had their history taught correctly.

00:22:13.000 What do you think are some of the most misrepresentative parts of how we talk to our history to young people and black America in particular?

00:22:21.000 On education.

00:22:23.000 On education.

00:22:24.000 Can I talk about history?

00:22:25.000 Yeah.

00:22:26.000 I mean, like, you're absolutely correct.

00:22:28.000 I mean, I think some of the most important elements are just who and what the Democrat Party was, always has been, and always will be.

00:22:36.000 And really, the sleight of hand happened with the Department of Education, in my opinion, actively teaching their history wrong, right? 0.55

00:22:43.000 So we have Black Americans learning that Lyndon Bain Johnson, who I spend a lot of time talking about in this book, was a hero because he inked the civil rights bill.

00:22:50.000 And most Black Americans don't know he basically did that with a gun to his head. 0.53

00:22:54.000 That in his 20, 20 plus years in the Senate, he voted against every single right that was put up for a vote for Black Americans. 0.71

00:23:03.000 He was a part of that southern bloc that was dedicated to making sure blacks got no progress in this country. 0.85

00:23:08.000 And then he ends up president by accident, right? 0.85

00:23:10.000 Because JFK is killed.

00:23:13.000 And there's riots breaking out all across the country.

00:23:16.000 And he's basically forced to sign a civil rights bill.

00:23:18.000 And in the same breath that he signs it, he gives a speech at Howard University and says, that's not enough.

00:23:23.000 We also need to make sure. 0.75

00:23:24.000 And then he puts in place these welfare policies and says behind closed doors that he'll have those Negroes actually said the N-word, voting Democrat for the next 200 years. 0.79

00:23:34.000 All of this is white from history lessons. 0.65

00:23:36.000 While they're learning about wokeism and white privilege and all of these things, they're not actually learning concrete history about who the Democrat Party always has been.

00:23:45.000 There was never, you know, as you and I both know, some magical switch that happened.

00:23:49.000 They have always been the racists, and we have always been their favored oppressed horse to bet on when it comes to maintaining power.

00:23:56.000 Yeah, and I think you articulated it great.

00:23:58.000 I don't think there was a switch, but I think there was a surrender by Republicans.

00:24:02.000 I think it's a very important point: the Democrats took control.

00:24:06.000 And you said it because of self-censorship, which I actually fear more than censorship from the government right now, where people just stop talking because they're afraid of what they're going to be called.

00:24:15.000 Republicans are most self-censored in engaging in the black community, where it was like, you know, I'm not going to be called these names.

00:24:20.000 I'm not going to show up to the south side of Chicago.

00:24:22.000 I'm not going to show up to South Atlanta.

00:24:24.000 I'm not going to show up to Philly like you guys don't want me.

00:24:27.000 We're going to go in the suburbs.

00:24:28.000 And I think that actually created a really bad political environment for Black America, really, really bad.

00:24:33.000 Because then you had Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson be able to rule with complete and total authority over the inner cities of our country.

00:24:41.000 And look at the results of it.

00:24:42.000 So, Candace, you've said something before that's very powerful.

00:24:45.000 And you talk about this in your book, about how your grandparents and their generation were trending to be wealthier than white Americans.

00:24:52.000 Linda Baines Johnson interrupted that.

00:24:54.000 But how is it that Black America is one of the only portions of American society not to be able to continue to say, every generation, we're getting a little bit better?

00:25:04.000 Can you tell us a reason why this is the case?

00:25:06.000 That's not racism.

00:25:07.000 This is a very important point.

00:25:08.000 It's not systemic racism, right?

00:25:10.000 Because the left will say, look at the data.

00:25:12.000 The only way we can attribute this is because of systemic racism.

00:25:16.000 Right. 0.68

00:25:16.000 The only thing that is systemic and the only thing that is plaguing Black America today is white guilt. 0.68

00:25:21.000 If white people would stop with this guilt and be honest about what's happening in society and stop saying, oh, Black America, it is all our fault. 0.76

00:25:29.000 There's this guilt.

00:25:30.000 And this is a very crucial part of my book and something that I studied via Shelby Steele.

00:25:35.000 And he actually wrote a book called White Guilt of when that transformation started happening.

00:25:39.000 Black Americans were doing better.

00:25:41.000 What actually happened with Black America and why we started doing worse was because of this plague of white guilt that happened in the mid-60s.

00:25:47.000 At the very moment that we actually were given true freedom and equality with the passage of the civil rights bill and the passage of the voting rights is when Black Americans got scared.

00:25:58.000 Because actually, freedom is a very scary thing.

00:26:00.000 Freedom actually means responsibility, right?

00:26:03.000 You have responsibility to yourself.

00:26:04.000 Now you have to make it in this country.

00:26:06.000 Freedom is actually a burden in many ways because you no longer have the excuse of oppression, right?

00:26:11.000 So oppression is a comfort that you wear it as a cloak.

00:26:15.000 Well, the reason why I'm not doing well is because of this, right?

00:26:17.000 And because we have segregation and white Americans will listen to their schools.

00:26:20.000 Then suddenly you wipe it all away and you say, okay, fine.

00:26:22.000 Now we've leveled the playing field and you don't have that cloak of oppression.

00:26:26.000 So what do you do?

00:26:27.000 You start creating that cloak of oppression.

00:26:29.000 And this is where those Marxist principles start to seep in, where you see oppression everywhere.

00:26:33.000 Oppression is everywhere that you look.

00:26:35.000 It's in the condition.

00:26:36.000 It's in the air.

00:26:37.000 You're breathing oppression.

00:26:38.000 Black Americans made that switch in the 1960s with the blessing of white Americans who felt guilty because for the first time America said, you know what?

00:26:46.000 We did get this wrong, which is a courageous thing, admitting that we did something wrong.

00:26:51.000 Nobody questions the fact that segregation was wrong and slavery was wrong. 0.64

00:26:55.000 But now you have Black Americans that aren't ready to rage to the challenge and who are being enabled by white Americans who aren't willing to look them in the face and say, sorry, man, no, you've got all your freedoms. 0.91

00:27:07.000 You got to figure this out. 0.95

00:27:10.000 That is so well said.

00:27:11.000 And I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Shawshank Redemption or not.

00:27:14.000 Maybe you have, maybe you haven't.

00:27:15.000 It's one of the greatest movies of all time.

00:27:17.000 And there's a part of the movie that I remember growing up.

00:27:20.000 We were watching at a class, and there was a prisoner who's given his freedom towards the end of the film, right?

00:27:25.000 He earns it after 45 years of being in prison, and he ends up committing suicide because he's not once he has the freedom, he has no capacity to be able to deal with it.

00:27:35.000 I just think allegorically, it's a perfect metaphor.

00:27:37.000 I encourage you, it's really great.

00:27:39.000 Where this prisoner then is in the real world that he's like, I have to go have rent, I have to have friends, I have this freedom.

00:27:44.000 I actually don't want it.

00:27:45.000 And this is actually a very interesting thing.

00:27:47.000 You've done there's a ton of psychological data that shows this: that prisoners sometimes go commit more crimes to go back to prison because that's all they know, especially young, especially people that are incarcerated under the age of 20.

00:27:58.000 And so, it's kind of that golden triangle, right?

00:28:00.000 In order to have freedom, you must have virtue.

00:28:03.000 In order to have virtue, you must have faith.

00:28:04.000 In order to have faith, you must have freedom, right?

00:28:06.000 That's the golden triangle that really built America.

00:28:08.000 And for black America definitely had virtue and had faith. 0.50

00:28:13.000 However, they never had freedom until the Civil Rights Act, true freedom.

00:28:16.000 And then once the freedom gets instituted, it's kind of like, so what do we do with this? 0.59

00:28:20.000 And then you have a hierarchy that steps in, unfortunately, of white liberals and really, and black, I would say, black liberals. 0.79

00:28:28.000 I want you to talk about this that took advantage of the black community, got very rich while doing so. 0.71

00:28:34.000 The Jesse Jacksons, right? 0.94

00:28:35.000 The Al Sharpens.

00:28:36.000 Can you talk about that as well?

00:28:38.000 About how there have been certain people in the community organizing groups, if you were, that have been selling this lie to Black America that are black themselves. 0.52

00:28:46.000 Yeah, I mean, really, what they're doing is that they've been able to monetize white guilt, right?

00:28:51.000 To go around and say, it's your fault, it's your fault.

00:28:53.000 Give me a platform.

00:28:53.000 I'll speak.

00:28:54.000 You know, I will be the person that sanctions you and says you're not racist.

00:28:57.000 If you're accused of racism, even if you're not racist, and they started to begin to shake down these corporations because now suddenly America flipped, and the worst thing you could have possibly been called was a racist.

00:29:07.000 And these people came in and they took advantage of that.

00:29:09.000 So, in order for them to sustain their platforms, they need there to always be racism, right?

00:29:14.000 There needs always to be some sort of an oppression.

00:29:17.000 I liken this even to other movements in our country, like GLAD, right?

00:29:20.000 They needed to have something to fight for.

00:29:23.000 They got gay marriage, and what happened?

00:29:24.000 They jumped to the trans ship very quickly and said, Actually, no, there's still more oppression.

00:29:28.000 There's still more things that we're fighting for. 0.66

00:29:30.000 And they'll keep adding letters to LGBTQIRS until they get to Z and start all over again because they need to make sure that this narrative stays alive. 0.93

00:29:38.000 And that's exactly what's happening with these NAACP. 0.78

00:29:42.000 I mean, Black Americans are given the right in the mid-60s.

00:29:45.000 There is no systemic oppressions that exist. 1.00

00:29:47.000 There is absolutely nothing that Charlie Kirk is allowed to do in America that Candace Owens can't because of the color of her skin.

00:29:54.000 And they hate me with a passion for saying that.

00:29:58.000 That sentence that I've just said drives them crazy.

00:30:00.000 There is nothing that Charlie Kirk can do as a white man that I can't do as a black person because, you know, it's a truth and it's an inexorable truth.

00:30:08.000 And they can't stand it because it disrupts everything that they're working on.

00:30:12.000 But that's what I exist for.

00:30:13.000 You know, I exist to give black Americans back their lives.

00:30:16.000 At the same time, I exist to remind white Americans that you are playing the part in this false narrative by staying silent and by self-censoring yourself.

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00:31:59.000 Can you talk about that more, Candace? 0.79

00:32:01.000 So BLM Incorporated, which is what I call them.

00:32:01.000 It's so important.

00:32:04.000 So I never want to be confused with the phrase, which is a true phrase, All Lives Matter, Black Lives Matter.

00:32:10.000 But BLM Inc., the organization, multi-billion dollars.

00:32:13.000 We don't know where it's gone.

00:32:14.000 I want you to comment on that, please, because you're the only one that you were the first one and the only one to mention this back in June.

00:32:21.000 You said, what is this Act Blue thing?

00:32:22.000 And where is this money going?

00:32:23.000 This is one of the most questionable money laundering schemes, maybe, allegedly.

00:32:28.000 I have to be careful, allegedly, in the history of the world. 0.70

00:32:30.000 And then number two, it's mostly white Americans that are contributing to this, Candace. 0.61

00:32:35.000 And then it's pastors and it is people in churches.

00:32:39.000 So are you kind of almost arguing that this is the commercialization of white guilt en masse to actually keep Black America permanently poor? 0.67

00:32:47.000 Right, absolutely.

00:32:48.000 I mean, there's no question that Black Lives Matter is not run by Black people and has done nothing to benefit Black Americans talking about the incorporation.

00:32:55.000 We know they raised billions of dollars and nobody can tell you where the money went.

00:32:59.000 I mean, that is so crazy to fathom.

00:33:01.000 I mean, Charlie, you run an organization.

00:33:03.000 I run an organization.

00:33:04.000 Could you imagine if Turning Point USA and Blexit organization each raised billions of dollars and we had no employees, no office, no events, no, like, I mean, just completely, they never were asked any questions.

00:33:18.000 That's the amazing part.

00:33:19.000 Like they've been existing for years and nobody's asked them a question.

00:33:22.000 Like, where is our government on this?

00:33:23.000 Where's the Department of Justice? 0.77

00:33:24.000 Where's the IRS on this saying, wait a minute, you've raised billions of dollars using the face of Black Americans who you claim have been killed on just.

00:33:31.000 None of them were.

00:33:33.000 And no one knows where the money goes.

00:33:34.000 So this is, I have said since the very beginning, this is so clearly money laundering.

00:33:38.000 This money is going somewhere.

00:33:39.000 And they have so much power.

00:33:40.000 Here's the craziest part.

00:33:42.000 Imagine that same scenario, Turning Point USA, Blex organization, billions of dollars, no organization.

00:33:47.000 And yet people are painting TPUSA on NBA floor, right?

00:33:51.000 Are painting Blexit on helmets in the NFL.

00:33:55.000 It has so much power behind the scenes, right?

00:33:58.000 That it is being basically force-fed to all Americans.

00:34:02.000 And still, no one knows where a single dollar streets are being painted in front of Trump organization, Turning Point USA.

00:34:08.000 Nobody knows who runs it.

00:34:10.000 I mean, it's unfathomable.

00:34:11.000 I mean, you were out of prison yesterday.

00:34:13.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:14.000 It's actually unfathomable.

00:34:18.000 And I mean, they have been launched, they've been launching investigations against Bannon and all these other people.

00:34:23.000 And I'm not going to get into that, but the point is that that's mincemeat amount of dollars compared to BLM Incorporated.

00:34:29.000 For Steve Bannon, and they've swooped in and like everyone's got to go to prison.

00:34:34.000 They want them all imprisoned.

00:34:36.000 Billions of dollars.

00:34:38.000 And so this is obviously someone extremely powerful orchestrating this behind the scenes.

00:34:43.000 You just do not get your organization's name, your incorporation's name painted on the floors of the NBA and on the helmets of NFL players and have every celebrity talking about it, shaking down organizations, and you don't have a building, a person to call a president.

00:34:56.000 I mean, a name.

00:34:57.000 I mean, it's incredible.

00:35:00.000 And I've, you know, I definitely have been working on this for a while.

00:35:02.000 Like I've contacted people and said, this is like, this is going to be a big deal.

00:35:07.000 When the story breaks is it will break where this money is going.

00:35:10.000 And I mean, it is, some heads are going to roll.

00:35:13.000 Well, what I think needs to happen, and this is something the conservative movement has not done a good job of, someone should sue blacklivesmatter.com for something, you know, having their church burned down, minor detail, you know, having a family member slugged in the face.

00:35:27.000 But then once you have litigation, then you can find out who's behind this, right?

00:35:31.000 You have to serve somebody.

00:35:32.000 I mean, blacklivesmatter.com has to be owned by somebody at some time. 0.89

00:35:36.000 So you go to black, I think it's the blacklivesmatter.com or blacklivesmatter movement, whatever.com.

00:35:40.000 Candace, you pointed this out.

00:35:42.000 There's no address.

00:35:43.000 There's no phone number.

00:35:44.000 When you donate, it goes through Act Blue, which is the Democrat payment processing scheme to give the money to Joe Biden or whomever.

00:35:51.000 And yet no reporters have looked into this.

00:35:53.000 No journalists have looked into this.

00:35:55.000 I mean, for all we know.

00:35:56.000 Buy it.

00:35:57.000 This is billions of dollars.

00:35:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:35:59.000 They could have them all on paper.

00:36:00.000 I mean, this is like, it is the biggest scandal in my mind that has not yet broken in America where the money goes when you donate to Black Lives Matter.

00:36:07.000 And like I said, you and I would never be able to get away with this, ever.

00:36:12.000 And it's incredible that they have.

00:36:13.000 And that's how you know the person behind this is extremely powerful. 0.90

00:36:17.000 And what's so sick, Candace, is you have black people right now, tens of thousands of black businesses that were wrongly shut down because of the lockdown, black churches that are having to close their doors. 0.98

00:36:28.000 You have black families that can't make rent. 0.98

00:36:30.000 These are legitimate things.

00:36:31.000 Where's BLM coming in with rent assistance?

00:36:33.000 Where's BLM coming in to say, hey, let's actually have small business, whatever, small business loans, small business relief?

00:36:40.000 We gave out $150,000 to black-owned businesses that were looted and rioted during the BLM riots. 0.56

00:36:46.000 And I do not have a billion-dollar budget. 0.62

00:36:47.000 I have no, we're in our first year, you know, and we did that because if you're actually an organization that cares about black lives, that would have been the first thing you did when you saw these hard-owned businesses that they worked their entire lives. 0.54

00:36:58.000 Black Americans have never been in trouble getting their businesses rioted and looted all in the name of Black Lives Matter. 0.53

00:37:03.000 And the exact opposite. 0.76

00:37:05.000 They bailed out the terrorists.

00:37:07.000 They went and they actually said, you know what, we need more of these thugs, more of these people that are burning down the inner cities of our country.

00:37:14.000 And so I think you bring up a great point is that there's an architect of chaos behind all of this.

00:37:19.000 There has to be.

00:37:20.000 It's too planned.

00:37:21.000 It's too designed.

00:37:22.000 It's too perfect.

00:37:24.000 Charlie, you and I called this out how organized it was.

00:37:27.000 Now everyone's talking about Antifa, but you and I called this out the morning we went to breakfast and got attacked.

00:37:32.000 And it's in your book.

00:37:33.000 It's in the book towards the end of it.

00:37:35.000 We said it's clearly an organized cell because we were having breakfast at 8.30 a.m.

00:37:39.000 It sounded a bat signal and 20 of them came.

00:37:41.000 It was a Monday morning, ladies and gentlemen.

00:37:44.000 Unless it is your full-time job, you did not, you weren't just working at some job and said, got to go and put on a, you know, put on an outfit like you're turning to Superman after Clark Kenn and came to go after Charlie and Candace.

00:37:55.000 This has always been, they've been employed.

00:37:57.000 They're on staff.

00:37:58.000 Like, you know what I mean?

00:37:59.000 So these terrorists, this is an organized cell.

00:38:01.000 And we've been calling this out for years.

00:38:03.000 And now, just now, the conservatives are starting to say, wait a second, we need to look into Antifa.

00:38:07.000 And I just think that Republicans, conservatives need to act sooner because it's all so obvious and they get away with it for years before we do anything about it.

00:38:16.000 Yeah.

00:38:17.000 I mean, how many more inner cities have to burn?

00:38:19.000 I mean, how many more people have to be killed in the street?

00:38:22.000 You saw in Portland, a Christian was killed, a Christian Trump supporter from Patriot Prayer.

00:38:27.000 And some people say it's a bad group.

00:38:28.000 I don't know if it's a good group or a bad group. 0.57

00:38:29.000 I haven't looked into it, but he doesn't deserve to get murdered in the streets by a thug.

00:38:34.000 And so this is really something that I don't understand for the life of me why the Department of Justice has not opened a RICO case into BLM and into Antifa.

00:38:43.000 It's just one of the biggest disappointments that I've seen.

00:38:45.000 I think that our DOJ has been infiltrated from the bottom up from Obama, Biden Cinco Fantz, and Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch.

00:38:53.000 So I want to talk about that too, Candace.

00:38:55.000 You do mention in your book the need to leave the Democrat plantation.

00:38:59.000 We have an election coming up.

00:39:01.000 Donald Trump is making record gains and overtures to the black community.

00:39:06.000 What do you think he has done right with Black America?

00:39:08.000 What do you think he still needs to do to win over the Black community?

00:39:12.000 Because I personally would like to see even more campaigning in the inner cities.

00:39:16.000 And you're doing this at Blexit.

00:39:17.000 You just had a great event in South Carolina.

00:39:19.000 It was packed.

00:39:19.000 It was terrific.

00:39:21.000 What do you think the president has to do to win a record amount of Black votes?

00:39:25.000 And do you think he's actually on pace to do so? 0.98

00:39:27.000 I've always said 20 points in 2020, and I think we're on pace to do so.

00:39:30.000 When I look around and I see these riots and these protests, what I think we're seeing is the last squeals of a dying animal.

00:39:37.000 I think they know he's got it.

00:39:38.000 I think they knew that he had it the second they came into January.

00:39:40.000 They have not stopped, you know, the assault.

00:39:43.000 They went straight from impeachment to COVID-19, kill his economy, never open up ever again. 0.93

00:39:48.000 You know, the perfect narrative to go after what was really black progress, black people getting up on their two feet, you know, getting off of food stamps, getting off of welfare, the lowest ever, you know, black unemployment rate in this country. 0.86

00:40:01.000 And they saw that and black Americans felt that. 0.83

00:40:03.000 And all of those false promises of he's, if he gets into office, you'll be on slave ships. 0.90

00:40:08.000 We'll be picking cotton tomorrow.

00:40:09.000 None of it's happened. 1.00

00:40:10.000 Black Americans are doing better. 1.00

00:40:11.000 So I think that he is on target and I think he's done a very good job of just delivering results.

00:40:16.000 You know, not doing anything special for black Americans, but treating them like true Americans, and which is that in this country, if you like opportunity, I can give you that, right?

00:40:26.000 If you want handouts, free stuff and to be treated like a toddler, that's not the promise that the Trump organization that Trump is giving to you and this administration is promising to you.

00:40:34.000 But if you view yourself as a part of the American dream and you have desires and wants and you're willing to go out and get them, then this is the administration for you.

00:40:43.000 In terms of what I think they could do better, I think they are the worst when it comes to messaging and getting out what they're doing.

00:40:49.000 I think that they, and honestly, that's a sign of the times changing.

00:40:54.000 They're not very good at marketing and getting out like all the amazing things that they're doing.

00:40:59.000 And they don't rely, I think, on the right people who do understand it.

00:41:02.000 We're shifting from, you know, the old timers TV market to social media, which is something that you and I understand.

00:41:10.000 And I think that they should bring in something, you know, younger and fresher to be able to sort of get out the message of what Trump believes in and what he's done.

00:41:17.000 I, yeah, off this stream, I'll send you the document of all the off-the-wall ideas I had.

00:41:25.000 I had this idea of live streaming the president for two hours straight and just showing how he is as a person, right?

00:41:32.000 Just showing him behind the resolute desk and just bringing in, you know, not just all sorts of different people and just, you know, having fun with it.

00:41:39.000 And I think that there's a multi-sultimensional, magnanimous, fun, you know, the president.

00:41:44.000 He's so different than how the media portrays him.

00:41:47.000 And honestly, Black America, I think a lot of them are looking for a reason to vote for Trump.

00:41:52.000 I think that, again, I do want to give Jared credit and the White House credit.

00:41:56.000 They have gone above and beyond, more so than most Republicans to really do this.

00:42:00.000 I just think that it could be done even more.

00:42:02.000 So Candace, in the couple of minutes we have remaining, I want to ask you, Kanye West tweeted out your book.

00:42:08.000 What's going on with that?

00:42:09.000 Yeah, I mean, he's been a friend.

00:42:11.000 And, you know, I realize that I prefer friendship to stay private than to go on like, you know, Kanye carpet ride.

00:42:20.000 His brand is so big that it could swallow mine in two days.

00:42:24.000 But, you know, Kanye has been consistent.

00:42:26.000 He's been, you know, consistently conservative and has consistently set himself apart from the narrative that we see on the left of I can't do anything in this country.

00:42:36.000 And he's got dreams.

00:42:37.000 And, you know, there are ways for him and I to work together on those dreams, which transcend Trump, transcend, you know, any election, but really focus on lifting up Black Americans and lifting up people in general.

00:42:51.000 And so, you know, we work privately together.

00:42:54.000 And I learned my lesson the hard way in terms of doing things publicly.

00:42:57.000 And I try to just keep it that way now.

00:43:00.000 Well, I'm thrilled.

00:43:01.000 And just so everyone understands, and this is Candace's clairvoyance, is when I met Candace, Candace said, you don't understand.

00:43:07.000 Kanye West, he's one of us.

00:43:08.000 He doesn't bash Trump.

00:43:10.000 He's going to come out.

00:43:11.000 And then the tweet that broke the internet, I love the way Candace Owens thinks that roller coaster was something.

00:43:17.000 And then here we are today.

00:43:19.000 He's tweeting out your book.

00:43:20.000 He's supportive.

00:43:21.000 He's running for president, which I think could help Trump.

00:43:24.000 I'm not really sure.

00:43:25.000 Can you talk about that?

00:43:26.000 Yeah, it's great for Trump here. 0.59

00:43:27.000 I mean, just what I'm hearing on the ground is that you still have those black Americans who fully, you know, will say they'll never vote for Trump, but they also fully will never vote for Biden.

00:43:36.000 And they understand Biden's history, you know, which is way in terms of you want to accuse Trump of racism.

00:43:42.000 Biden's voting for segregation said black Americans should be segregated, voted against busing, all of these things when he was in the Senate and wants black Americans to just forget about it because he's speaking to Cardi B.

00:43:51.000 And Black Americans haven't forgotten about it. 0.66

00:43:53.000 This is the first candidate that I've seen that didn't get glowing endorsements from the Breakfast Club, who, you know, Charlemagne the guys had a lot of questions for him and he's scared to go back. 1.00

00:44:03.000 You know, you ain't black, that notorious comment.

00:44:05.000 And I believe that when they step into the booth, they're going to be looking for an alternative candidate and that they are that those people who are usually aligned with the Democrat Party are going to hit Kanye.

00:44:15.000 And those votes will be taken away from Joe Biden.

00:44:18.000 And I know that Kanye said something to that effect in a Forbes interview.

00:44:22.000 And, you know, I mean, it is what it is.

00:44:24.000 I don't see this as anything that's going to hurt Donald Trump.

00:44:27.000 And I think it can only help.

00:44:30.000 Yeah, you ain't, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black. 0.99

00:44:34.000 Black kids are just as smart as poor, as white kids. 0.99

00:44:37.000 Something like that. 1.00

00:44:37.000 Poor kids are just as smart as white kids. 1.00

00:44:39.000 Just thinking that every poor kid in America is a black kid. 0.98

00:44:41.000 You can't walk into an 7-Eleven without a slight Indian accent.

00:44:45.000 First time I've ever seen a clean-cut black man was Barack Obama running for the presidency. 1.00

00:44:49.000 Black men are super predators. 1.00

00:44:51.000 The author of the Clinton crime bill, friends with segregationists, pro-busing. 1.00

00:44:56.000 I mean, I could go on, right?

00:44:57.000 I mean, and they try to say that Donald Trump has a questionable racial history.

00:45:01.000 Here's what I say. 0.93

00:45:02.000 I say that if Joe Biden magically, for whatever reason, all of a sudden became a Republican, the media would say he's the biggest racist ever.

00:45:09.000 They would say, say, play all these tapes.

00:45:10.000 They'd play all this clip after the other.

00:45:13.000 So the book is called Blackout by Candace Owens.

00:45:16.000 Everyone, go pick up a copy today.

00:45:18.000 Candace, any other thoughts about the book that you want to convey to our audience?

00:45:21.000 And I want to just reinforce one thing while you do that.

00:45:24.000 Can you just talk specifically to white Americans about this racial?

00:45:29.000 Because it's very important.

00:45:30.000 And I get a lot of emails from people that say, Charlie, I appreciate, because I've been very outspoken on these issues the last couple of months.

00:45:35.000 And in a lot of ways, Candace, you gave me the confidence to do that, that I can weigh in on, you know, criticizing BLM Inc.

00:45:41.000 And people say, Charlie, I don't understand how you have so much courage to do that.

00:45:45.000 I don't think it's actually courageous.

00:45:46.000 I just think it's the right thing to do.

00:45:48.000 Can you just talk about that, please? 0.66

00:45:49.000 Because there's so many white Americans.

00:45:51.000 I want to harp on what you just said. 0.99

00:45:52.000 I don't think it's courageous.

00:45:53.000 I think it's the right thing to do.

00:45:55.000 We've gotten to a part in this country where people cannot acknowledge what is right and what is wrong.

00:45:58.000 But left and the right, despite our differences, used to be able to fully acknowledge that this is wrong.

00:46:02.000 Rioting and looting, that is wrong.

00:46:04.000 And there is no context in which this is right.

00:46:07.000 And suddenly we no longer can agree on basic concepts of rightness and wrongness. 0.97

00:46:12.000 And, you know, this is because what we have right now is a black culture that is being infantilized by the media, by the politicians. 0.99

00:46:18.000 And when I say inventilize, I do mean that what we're seeing is toddler-esque, right? 0.90

00:46:23.000 You get upset, Don't get your way, and you write and you loot.

00:46:25.000 It's a toddler throwing things around, throwing a temper tantrum.

00:46:28.000 Well, who do you blame when a toddler can perpetually throw a temper tantrum and gets what they want every time they do it?

00:46:34.000 You blame the parent, right? 0.60

00:46:36.000 And so, what I am blaming are the institutions, what I am blaming are the white Americans who post the black square and stand in solidarity. 0.51

00:46:42.000 I'm blaming the white Americans that say, Well, some of the protests were peaceful. 0.97

00:46:46.000 I'm blaming the white Americans who don't have the courage to post, you know, black squares when, like what happened yesterday, two police officers get gunned down in broad daylight by a black man. 0.99

00:46:56.000 You know, yeah. 0.98

00:46:58.000 So, it's the organization, it's the politicians, and it's the individual white Americans who don't have the spine to stand up and say that what is being happening in our school systems and amongst our politicians is wrong.

00:47:07.000 That teaching white Americans in school about their white privilege and telling them that there's something fundamentally wrong with their white skin is equally as bad as telling Ruby Bridges that there was something fundamentally wrong with her black skin when she was six years old and led the integration movement. 0.57

00:47:22.000 Um, so the honest is on white America, it cannot just be put on black conservatives to stand up and speak out.

00:47:28.000 Um, and I think that that is what I hope people get when they hold my book: we're all Americans, so we all fight for righteousness and we all fight against wrongness.

00:47:38.000 That's exactly right.

00:47:39.000 And you mentioned, I just have to say this: I heard somebody say this the other day.

00:47:43.000 They said, Oh, I have to go adult today, right?

00:47:46.000 As if it was a verb.

00:47:47.000 And James Lindsay said this in my podcast.

00:47:50.000 He's terrific, he's an atheist, but he's so smart.

00:47:53.000 That's civilizational ending stuff when people all of a sudden consider adulting to be something negative, right?

00:47:59.000 And it's actually very interesting.

00:48:00.000 You look into their literature, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, he argued that he wants the primitive over the civilized and the infant over the adult.

00:48:07.000 And this is really what's happened here: don't grow up.

00:48:10.000 You can just be an infant for the rest of your life.

00:48:12.000 And that's what we actually value.

00:48:14.000 And a lot of different ways, your call to action is actually no, grow up, take responsibility, find meaning, get your direction right, work hard, stop complaining, live like my grandfather, because he actually lived a meaningful life where that disconnect happened, right?

00:48:28.000 There was a disruption, and that disruption actually was multi-trillions of dollars, was a concerted racist campaign by the Democrat Party that destroyed, I think, the greatest untapped asset in America, which is Black America, truly.

00:48:42.000 And you talk about that at great length.

00:48:44.000 So I guess the final question, Candace, is where can they find the book?

00:48:48.000 And then can you just also just one final call to action for conservatives heading into the election or people in the middle?

00:48:55.000 Yeah, you know, my final call to action would be speak up and speak out because you will wake up one day and you will not recognize the country that you thought you lived in and that you were born into and that you were raised into.

00:49:06.000 And that's been my fear, especially now that I'm pregnant.

00:49:09.000 You know, I realize that this country can go two entirely different directions.

00:49:14.000 Am I going to raise my child in the America that I recognize that gave me opportunities and gave me the ability to aspire to this platform?

00:49:20.000 Or am I, are we going to exist under a socialist referee because people didn't have the spine to just say something and admit that right is right and wrong is wrong?

00:49:29.000 My book can be find everywhere.

00:49:30.000 Books are sold.

00:49:31.000 You can go to Barnes and Noble.

00:49:32.000 You can go to Amazon.

00:49:34.000 You can go to my website and you can grab a book.

00:49:38.000 But I just want to thank everybody.

00:49:40.000 Charlie's mentioned in the book, obviously, is a huge part of my journey into politics.

00:49:44.000 And like you always say, Charlie, iron sharpens iron.

00:49:47.000 That's right.

00:49:48.000 And I consider you to be the Moses of this generation where you're confronting tyranny head on and you're saying, let my people go, let my people go.

00:49:56.000 And I think that's a very moral thing that Christians have to recognize that that story resonates with us because it's people in bondage that want to be free while they're in either ideological or actual slavery.

00:50:08.000 But it takes a Moses to speak out.

00:50:09.000 It takes a Moses to lead those people.

00:50:11.000 And I think that's really you.

00:50:12.000 Well, God bless you, Candace. 0.52

00:50:13.000 It is Blackout, How Black Americans Can Make Its Second Escape from the Democrat Plantation, Amazon.com, you name it.

00:50:21.000 Everyone, go buy one, two, five copies.

00:50:23.000 And thanks so much, Candace.

00:50:25.000 Thanks for having me.

00:50:26.000 Talk to you soon.

00:50:27.000 Thanks. 1.00

00:50:29.000 What an awesome interview that was with Candace Owens.

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00:50:35.000 I traveled the country with Candace with Turning Point USA, really advancing the ideas of a free society, American exceptionalism, and a strong America.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 14, 2020

Candace Owens | On Cardi B, Kanye, and Battling BLM Inc. to Liberate Black America

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