The Charlie Kirk Show - Candace Owens Responds

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00:01:10.000 Joining us now is the great Candace Owens.

00:01:13.000 Candace is 40 weeks pregnant, everybody. 1.00

00:01:16.000 So she might have to leave at any moment's notice.

00:01:19.000 Thank you for taking the time.

00:01:20.000 Candace, you had a viral interview with Tucker yesterday, but after that, or right as the interview was posted, Ben Shapiro tweeted at a Bible verse that you tweeted, which I found to be totally out of line and kind of triggered this massive internet dispute.

00:01:38.000 And he effectively asked you to resign from the Daily Wire.

00:01:43.000 Candace, what is going on here?

00:01:45.000 Well, first, I just want to say that I think people thought it was like all of this was like suspicious timing and that there's no conspiracy here with your conspiracy theory here.

00:01:53.000 First and foremost, I had signed on to do Tucker weeks ago.

00:01:56.000 So this interview was already planned.

00:01:58.000 And then obviously the night before the video of Ben saying some remarks about me went viral.

00:02:05.000 And then minutes before my Tucker interview aired, he did tweet that.

00:02:10.000 And I haven't yet gotten any clarity on what the significance of that tweet was.

00:02:15.000 You know, me posting the Bible passes was just basically me calling for peace and accepting, you know, the things that you can't change.

00:02:22.000 And I definitely have had a very peaceful, happy end of pregnancy.

00:02:26.000 And so I didn't and still don't really understand the nature of the tweet, but I did feel compelled in this instance to answer more strongly because it was a biblical passage.

00:02:38.000 And I have said for a very long time that it does feel like Christians are always being told to shut up.

00:02:45.000 And when you share just a biblical passage and it's somehow being construed or being told that there's something wrong with this passage, it was important for me as a Christian to defend our faith.

00:02:56.000 Yeah, totally.

00:02:57.000 So this has kind of been simmering for a couple of weeks.

00:03:01.000 So just by background, Ben at a private event spoke to a group of people, and I want to make sure I'm very clear and specific.

00:03:08.000 He said something on the lines of, you have faux sophistication on the matter, Candace.

00:03:14.000 That was his quote.

00:03:15.000 What is he talking about here?

00:03:17.000 I mean, I follow you on social media.

00:03:19.000 I'm a very pro-Israel person, right?

00:03:21.000 I get accused of being a Jewish shill on a daily basis.

00:03:24.000 Like, what is Ben talking about here?

00:03:26.000 And then, secondly, why of all the tweets that he decided to ask you to resign, did he choose a Bible verse?

00:03:32.000 Charlie, your questions are the same questions that I have.

00:03:36.000 But what I have said on Tucker and what I will say here is that I think a lot of people who are emotionally involved in the conflict overseas are perceiving people that are actually moderate as radical.

00:03:50.000 And they're not able to see that maintaining a level head is okay.

00:03:54.000 And I think that when they have the benefit of hindsight and it's 2020, they're going to maybe regret some of the things that they've said, especially amongst their most fervent, to their most fervent allies and supporters, which is why on Tucker, I even brought up the concept of the attacks that have been constant against you.

00:04:13.000 And if it's, it's sort of like if you don't veer into radicalism right now, then they take everything.

00:04:19.000 There's an extreme sensitivity there, you know, and every comment that you make, and I can correlate this two weeks ago when I was quite literally, I sent two tweets back to back about Brian Mast and his comments in Congress being wrong as somebody that is a sitting congressman about saying there's no such thing as innocent civilian life.

00:04:38.000 And then I followed up by saying, you know, any sort of genocidal language is wrong no matter what government's coming from.

00:04:43.000 I was referring to the American government and the backlash that I got for saying genocide is always wrong, it's bonkers.

00:04:51.000 I still can't comprehend it.

00:04:52.000 It's such an easy statement for everyone to agree with.

00:04:55.000 Every single person should said, amen, amen.

00:04:58.000 Yes, agree.

00:04:59.000 Genocide is always wrong and unjustifiable.

00:05:01.000 And yet people read in between the lines and said that this must be, you're saying this is happening.

00:05:07.000 And it's like, no, but people, that is literally you applying your emotion and it's utterly illogical.

00:05:13.000 And I think we are living in times right now where it's really scary to see how much emotion people are having that basic statement.

00:05:21.000 And if I tweeted right now, pedophilia, no matter where it happens in the world, is always wrong.

00:05:26.000 Is that a statement at certain times okay?

00:05:29.000 Is that statement at certain times not?

00:05:32.000 So I have been trying to understand really what's going on.

00:05:35.000 And the only thing that I can come up with is that people are highly emotional and they're not thinking straight right now.

00:05:40.000 Yeah, that's an eternal statement, right?

00:05:43.000 It's true regardless of what's happening.

00:05:45.000 I want to just reinforce this because you bring up a really important point.

00:05:48.000 And for the record, I've always gotten along well with Ben.

00:05:50.000 I've known Jeremy for a long time, but I call balls and strikes where I see it.

00:05:54.000 And Candace, I think it's been super unfair the way some people have been treating you and really unfair.

00:05:59.000 Because look, I know your heart too.

00:06:01.000 I tweeted this yesterday.

00:06:02.000 Candace Owens flew 18 hours through a brutal European connection to go to the embassy opening in Jerusalem.

00:06:08.000 And we toured Israel together.

00:06:10.000 And you and I were on campuses multiple times together defending Israel and defending the Jewish people.

00:06:15.000 And so I just find a lot of the coverage to be, you know, not a lot, but some people's chattering has been highly emotional.

00:06:22.000 And so let's just, you talked about this in the talker interview, Candace.

00:06:26.000 If somebody in the audience is a very pro-Israel person, can you bring them up to speed as how their cause is actually weakening by how they are going after allies?

00:06:39.000 And I'm afraid that they are diluting and cheapening the term anti-Semitism the same way they've done with racism.

00:06:48.000 There's no question that they've diluted it.

00:06:50.000 People are not even blinking now to be called an anti-Semite because, you know, when you start with Richard Spencer and you end with Charlie Kirk and you say everybody's an anti-Semite and everybody's trafficking in anti-Semitic tropes, you've just lost the plot.

00:07:00.000 I mean, they've seen everybody from Joe Rogan to Tucker Carlson last night for God knows what reason being called an anti-Semite.

00:07:08.000 And it's just completely a losing argument.

00:07:11.000 And so it's funny because I've had some, you know, pro-Israel friends that reached out to me and were saying, well, we're just trying to help you.

00:07:19.000 And this time I asserted myself and I said, no, you need to listen to me.

00:07:22.000 It's obvious to everybody that's looking around right now that there has been a loss in support for Israel.

00:07:27.000 And that's not because any person agrees with what happened on October 7th.

00:07:31.000 We have all said on our platforms multiple times that what happened on October 7th is completely abhorrent.

00:07:36.000 But it has a lot to do with the reaction of going after allies, for asking questions, for trying to remain not neutral, but humane throughout this and saying that it is always sad.

00:07:47.000 Like people were upset when I said it's always sad when you see a dead child.

00:07:51.000 And some of the upset said, well, you can't say that unless you say that also they were just being used as human shields.

00:07:56.000 It's no, you can feel sympathy.

00:07:58.000 You can feel empathy for individuals always, no matter what is going on.

00:08:02.000 You don't need to gauge or jump into a political debate to acknowledge that you're still a human and you have a human response to seeing a dead child.

00:08:11.000 And so what I have said from the very, actually before any of this saw my show, is that when you use terms too much and you refer to everybody as something, whether it is a racist, a sexist, a homophobe, you will then find that those words have no power.

00:08:26.000 And I do think that part of the frustration that some people that are pro-Israel are having is trying to understand why this word has no power anymore.

00:08:35.000 And I can explain it over and over, but I can't help people understand it.

00:08:39.000 You saw it happen with Black Lives Matter. 1.00

00:08:41.000 First, people were so scared of being called a racist.

00:08:45.000 It was such a horrible, smear, horrible libel.

00:08:46.000 Like, what do I do to not be called that?

00:08:48.000 And then as they started calling everything racist, you started realizing air was racist.

00:08:53.000 And the CNN articles were saying, you know, white people blinking was racist.

00:08:56.000 It became, okay, now we know that this word actually doesn't mean what you're saying.

00:09:01.000 It just means that you want me to submit to whatever it is that you're saying very easily because you've used a smear.

00:09:07.000 You've called me a Holocaust snier.

00:09:08.000 You've called me an anti-Semite.

00:09:10.000 You've said my silence is violence.

00:09:11.000 And actually what you're trying to do is you're trying to assert control over me while claiming that you are the victim in this, but actually you're trying to assert power over me.

00:09:21.000 And that's not the way to do it.

00:09:23.000 You have to be well-intended.

00:09:24.000 And Dennis Brager has always made that point, by the way, for years and years that you have to be very careful when you use a word like that because it will lose its power very fast.

00:09:32.000 And unfortunately, his warnings were not heeded in this circumstance.

00:09:36.000 And people just don't believe it when things, when people are being called anti-Semitic anymore.

00:09:41.000 Dennis warned us about this.

00:09:43.000 He said, an attack used too much loses its power.

00:09:46.000 And you and I both, we're kind of, we both still consider Dennis a great friend and a great teacher.

00:09:51.000 And Dennis says he's very careful using that label.

00:09:55.000 He said, because we want it when we need it, when there's a legit anti-Semite and throwing it around as a thought-terminating cliche or a means of control or hyper-emotional does no one a good service.

00:10:07.000 So Candace, let me ask you, because not everyone listens to your show, which is excellent.

00:10:11.000 Everyone should subscribe to her show. 1.00

00:10:13.000 There's a lot of, not a lot, there's a fair amount of rumor or mystery of what you stand on on the war.

00:10:20.000 Can you just, the floor is yours.

00:10:21.000 What do you, what is your position?

00:10:23.000 Because I think people are completely misinterpreting your views of the Jewish people of what's happening in Israel.

00:10:31.000 Just explain to our audience just to kind of cut off the rumors at the past.

00:10:35.000 Yeah, thank you so much for asking.

00:10:37.000 And that's what I've said is nobody even asks anymore.

00:10:39.000 And then when you give them an answer and you say, I've said this on my show multiple times, then they say to you, well, I don't listen to your show.

00:10:45.000 And, you know, you should tweet it.

00:10:47.000 I'm like, well, my show is posted, the full show is posted on Twitter every single day.

00:10:51.000 Well, I don't follow this account.

00:10:52.000 So it becomes not about whether or not what you said or what you didn't say.

00:10:55.000 It becomes about whether or not they were on Twitter at the moment and saw what you said.

00:10:59.000 Otherwise, it doesn't count, you know?

00:11:01.000 And so that's been very interesting.

00:11:02.000 And again, a way to assert power and control and to say that you need to say it when I am online and on whether it's Instagram or Facebook or Twitter. 0.98

00:11:11.000 If I didn't see it, it didn't actually happen, which is completely foolish.

00:11:14.000 But I have not shifted my views at all, at all, when it comes to Israel and Palestine, whether it is Ukraine or Russia, whether it is Afghanistan.

00:11:22.000 America has issues at home.

00:11:23.000 We do not need to be sending more money overseas.

00:11:26.000 It is the perspective that is held by Thomas Massey, who is now being harassed at being called an anti-Semite for his consistent voting against sending any dollar overseas throughout his entire career, right?

00:11:38.000 He has not changed.

00:11:39.000 He's not switched up.

00:11:40.000 So this is not something that is being guided by a hatred or a love of people based on their race at all.

00:11:47.000 It is just my policy, my stance is that America is falling apart.

00:11:52.000 The politicians that are opining on stage and saying, well, we can do both.

00:11:56.000 Look around you.

00:11:57.000 Obviously, we can't.

00:11:58.000 America is in steep decline educationally, socially, and morally.

00:12:02.000 And I have also been clear that I understand the sentiments coming from white Americans that are saying, why are we suddenly being told now to care about the university tobacco when we have been calling this out for years?

00:12:13.000 And Charlie, you're the perfect person to speak about this.

00:12:15.000 You and I have traversed universities.

00:12:18.000 We have been drowned out.

00:12:20.000 We have been harassed.

00:12:21.000 We have been chased out of restaurants for our ideas as conservatives, and nobody cared.

00:12:28.000 We couldn't get people to stop funding these universities.

00:12:31.000 We could not get people to understand how bad the problem had become when you actually had professors, forget the students that were protesting.

00:12:40.000 You had professors that were tweeting, all I want for Christmas is a white genocide.

00:12:44.000 I believe that was at Drexel University in Pennsylvania, and that faculty member was protected, calling openly for a genocide of white people.

00:12:51.000 So it is a fair question.

00:12:53.000 It is a fair critique when people say, Why are you telling us this is a problem now?

00:12:56.000 And this has been a problem that many of us have been fighting for the last decade, and it seemed like nobody cared.

00:13:02.000 And so, by being fair in that assessment, by recognizing what white people have gone through in this country, by recognizing this, what I consider myself to be America-first stances of the problems that are happening in this country, and by saying that I do not want to be involved in another Middle Eastern conflict, no matter where the stage is, people hear that in this moment as some form of anti-Semitism.

00:13:22.000 It's not.

00:13:23.000 It's consistency.

00:13:24.000 It is the reason that I quoted Thomas Sowell on last night's episode that he has a quote about the civil rights era.

00:13:31.000 He's referring to Black America in this quote, but saying when people are used to special treatment, sometimes being treated the same can feel like discrimination.

00:13:38.000 And it's not discrimination to say the obvious truths that we are facing in this nation.

00:13:44.000 You can debate that academically, but don't be disingenuous and call people anti-Semites for holding the same decisions that they have always held for the last decade.

00:13:53.000 Yeah, your position has large agreement in many political circles.

00:13:57.000 By the way, it's also held by people from Thomas Massey to Dennis Kucinich to Rand Paul to a certain extent.

00:14:06.000 And you can have disagreements without having to throw around some of the most vile labels.

00:14:14.000 America's colleges and universities today are less concerned with critical thinking than with indoctrination.

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00:15:26.000 I've been very surprised by it.

00:15:28.000 It's like I said on Tucker last night, something that I think is unfairly a blemish to the Daily Wire because the four of us, other hosts that work here at the Nashville campus, are, we get along very well, you know, and I think that this looks like something that it's not because Ben is not a part of a day-to-day operations.

00:15:48.000 And I'm not sure why his instinct is to always air something publicly.

00:15:52.000 You know, Charlie, you and I worked for years together.

00:15:54.000 We have had so many disagreements.

00:15:56.000 I would call you, text you directly, yell at you.

00:15:59.000 You know, that's healthy, you know.

00:16:02.000 But I would never just throw out a random tweet and expect you to see it when we were having any of those disagreements.

00:16:07.000 When people text me and say, I disagree with Charlie on this, I will just text you like now, up until this day.

00:16:12.000 You know, what did you mean by this?

00:16:13.000 Why are you doing this?

00:16:15.000 We have to be able to have healthy dialogue and healthy instinct, even when we are not understanding each other.

00:16:22.000 It doesn't make it better to let things become public fodder.

00:16:25.000 And it's why I did not want to meet Ben where he was at in engaging anything that was disparaging about him because I'm look, I'm 34 years old.

00:16:34.000 I have my third kid on the way.

00:16:35.000 I know how to communicate like an adult.

00:16:38.000 And so, yeah, I don't still yet fully understand where he is coming from.

00:16:45.000 And I do think that we have all tried to be exceedingly understanding of his emotions during this time as somebody who has familial ties to Israel.

00:16:57.000 And understanding that over the last five weeks, it's been a very emotional time for him.

00:17:02.000 And that's the human angle that I have tried to take in trying to perhaps understand why he is airing some of this publicly.

00:17:12.000 Yeah, look, I said I've known Ben for a long time.

00:17:15.000 I hope he fixes that because leadership should not, leadership should warrant the tough conversation and to do it in private.

00:17:22.000 By the way, it's not good for the movement.

00:17:23.000 It's not good for the Daily Wire.

00:17:24.000 We need the Daily Wire.

00:17:25.000 We need the Daily Wire Strong.

00:17:26.000 It's an important company, does amazing things.

00:17:28.000 Walsh knows Knowles, Jordan, yourself, all that good stuff.

00:17:31.000 So, Candace, just a couple minutes remaining here.

00:17:33.000 This Israel issue, I'm afraid, is breaking both the left and the right simultaneously in different ways.

00:17:40.000 What can we do to make sure that doesn't happen?

00:17:43.000 On the right, the left can go on the right.

00:17:46.000 Well, we need to act like conservatives.

00:17:48.000 We need to practice what we preach.

00:17:50.000 We talk about free speech.

00:17:51.000 We can't suddenly buck the trend of free speech because we're angry or we're upset.

00:17:56.000 We talk about the need for more dialogue.

00:17:58.000 We talk about the need for less libels.

00:18:00.000 We talk about the need for less smears in the media.

00:18:03.000 We cannot engage in that.

00:18:04.000 We can't engage in the behavior of leftists just because we have become upset or an issue is close to us.

00:18:10.000 Consistency is what is called upon.

00:18:12.000 We must remain ideologically consistent.

00:18:15.000 I think it's important to call balls and strikes within our own movement.

00:18:20.000 And I think that that's part of the problem is that many people are not, as I sent our cross in, behaving with consistently conservative principles on these matters.

00:18:29.000 And I'm seeing a lot of behavior that mimics BLM right now.

00:18:33.000 And that is going to, without question, cause a fracturing in the movement by people that are well-intended.

00:18:39.000 And look, I think that we were already sensing this sort of civil war in the conservative movement.

00:18:45.000 And I think that's best represented by the very different perspectives that even the candidates that are running have.

00:18:49.000 Are we America First?

00:18:51.000 Do we believe that we should be engaging in overseas conflict all the time, non-stop?

00:18:57.000 We are, I think, as Avek Ramaswamy said, going through this sort of adolescence period of trying to define what the Conservative Party is.

00:19:04.000 And I think it's changing.

00:19:05.000 I think Trump was a huge part of that sea change, obviously, and realizing that there's a frustration.

00:19:12.000 I think younger conservatives feel a little disconnected and detached from some of the older conservatives in the movement for certain reasons that those that have become accustomed to military, industrial, complex instincts and constantly saying that our allegiance should somehow be overseas and they become accustomed to constantly being involved in overseas complex.

00:19:31.000 And I think that we want something different.

00:19:33.000 And the first thing that we want that is something different is healthy debate and demanding healthy debate, demanding full-throated discussions and not emotional responses.

00:19:42.000 No matter what happens, whether Russia invades Ukraine, we deserve a full-throated debate about whether or not we should be sending billions of dollars unaccounted for over to Zelensky, whether or not it's COVID policy.

00:19:54.000 No matter how fearful people are, we deserve to have a full-throated debate about how we live in a COVID era.

00:20:00.000 Do we still have our freedoms or do we become people that are suddenly authoritarian because we have fears?

00:20:06.000 That is the future of the Republican Party that I want to see is our people that can look back and say, whether you agreed with me or did not agree with me, I remained consistent and I hope that you respect that.

00:20:17.000 I'll give some advice.

00:20:18.000 Candace is undefeated, everybody.

00:20:21.000 So be careful.

00:20:23.000 Fighting Candace Owens doesn't end well for you.

00:20:26.000 Candace, God bless.

00:20:27.000 We have your back and have that baby.

00:20:29.000 We'll talk to you soon.

00:20:30.000 Thank you so much, Charlie.

00:20:31.000 Such a pleasure to always join.

00:20:33.000 Thank you.

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00:21:37.000 Joining us now is one of my favorite guests, Heather McDonald.

00:21:40.000 Heather, welcome back to the program. 0.81

00:21:41.000 I want everyone to check out when race trumps merit.

00:21:44.000 So, Heather, there's been several stories.

00:21:46.000 Haley Biden carjacked in D.C., eight teenagers charged with murder in Las Vegas of a young white man, San Francisco that's cleaning up all the streets for G, which is a separate issue in some way.

00:21:57.000 But we see all these different stories, and we're getting more and more emails.

00:22:01.000 Do you think that white America is starting to wake up that there is a multi-dimensional, multi-institutional war against white people in this country?

00:22:11.000 Well, we haven't figured out a language yet to really talk about it, Charlie, that will be acceptable to even many conservative ears.

00:22:18.000 But I certainly hear that from students.

00:22:21.000 I was at the University of Virginia last week, and a young student that I was speaking with said that there is a growing awareness among young people, especially for white males, that they are absolutely pariahs in our society.

00:22:37.000 They are going to be the last admitted to schools, excuse me, the last hired, the first fired.

00:22:45.000 And so it is a reality, and it is a reality that is absolutely denied by the entirety of our mainstream society and by many conservatives.

00:22:56.000 We need to keep pointing this out because there is no grounds whatsoever for European, the inheritors of European civilization to cancel it. 0.99

00:23:08.000 Now, those inheritors may be people of all different colors, but the people that are under attack are the Caucasian inheritors of that civilization. 0.97

00:23:19.000 And at this point in world history, we have nothing to apologize for because any violations of human rights and human rights is, of course, exclusively a European Western concept.

00:23:34.000 Violations of those rights, whether it's American slavery or imperial atrocities, pale in comparison to every other civilization's ongoing atrocities and violence.

00:23:49.000 So, Heather, I mean, another example, Louisiana Tech, a black student stabbing four white women is just another story that has happened. 0.96

00:23:59.000 I do think that there is a greater and greater understanding and agreement that the laws, the enforcement of laws, the lack of media coverage, it's almost fashionable to hate white people. 0.71

00:24:15.000 Now, I guess the next question is, Heather, what next?

00:24:18.000 Would it be helpful for white people or white America to recognize and realize this and talk about this more?

00:24:25.000 Because anytime we notice it, it's the amazing phrase from Michael Anton: it's not happening, but it's good that it is.

00:24:32.000 Like, we're not allowed to even notice it.

00:24:34.000 Your thoughts, Heather McDonald. 0.98

00:24:36.000 It's not just fashionable to hate white people. 0.98

00:24:38.000 It's presidential. 0.99

00:24:39.000 You know, we have a president now who goes around at every opportunity staying the preposterous lie that white supremacy is the biggest threat in this country.

00:24:49.000 And let's just get the facts out there, Charlie, yet again, because this is so completely denied by the media that amplifies the Biden message of white supremacy. 0.91

00:25:01.000 If you look at all interracial violence between blacks and whites and whites and blacks, blacks commit 87% of all interracial attacks between blacks and whites and whites and blacks. 0.79

00:25:11.000 A black is 35 times more likely to commit an act of violence against a white person than vice versa.

00:25:19.000 And we see it, you know, the few times when you get the videos and you get either the names that reveal that it's a black perpetrator because of the pseudo-Africanist names, we see this happening and yet we're in an absolute state of denial. 0.90

00:25:36.000 So what it's going to take, what sort of politician or leader to articulate that reality, it remains a very, very touchy thing.

00:25:47.000 I mean, I can feel it when I go on, you know, what is for us the mainstream media, which is Fox News.

00:25:54.000 If you use white in any other context than one of opprobrium, you really are asking to be called a racist by fellow conservatives.

00:26:05.000 And that is preposterous because to say that whites are under attack is not to attack blacks per se.

00:26:13.000 It is to notice the facts, the averages. 0.83

00:26:17.000 Of course, there are millions of blacks who are law-abiding, who don't want to be treated as perpetual victims and wards of the state.

00:26:28.000 But on average, there is a pathological inner city culture that is creating dysfunction.

00:26:36.000 And you have now what's going on, a race hustle on the part of too many black leaders where they can simply play upon white guilt and claim that it is an accomplishment in itself to be black. 0.98

00:26:52.000 You know, you have the possibility now of specializing in being black, just as I could specialize in being female, or gays can specialize in being gay. 0.91

00:27:01.000 And that's the one accomplishment that nobody can compete with you on. 0.97

00:27:06.000 And it gives you enormous power over the absolute pariahs of straight white males. 0.62

00:27:14.000 And yet we're told that racism is the biggest problem.

00:27:18.000 What could actually break the matrix?

00:27:21.000 And I don't know if you agree, Heather.

00:27:23.000 I think that it's probably 50-50.

00:27:25.000 I don't think every Black believes that racism is the biggest problem.

00:27:29.000 I think some have convinced themselves of that.

00:27:31.000 But I think deep down, a lot of great Black Americans, they know that there are other problems.

00:27:37.000 Like you said, the pathologies that are put into their culture, right?

00:27:40.000 What is considered to be acceptable, not staying with the women that you impregnate, so on and so forth.

00:27:45.000 Instead of telling Black Americans that they could be great by doing great noble things, we have this self-esteem cult of like black girl magic. 1.00

00:27:53.000 You're magical because of whatever. 0.99

00:27:55.000 It's toxic.

00:27:56.000 And of course, there are tons of problems in urban America and it continues to this day.

00:28:01.000 Let's just play this tape that just went viral here, Play 71.

00:28:06.000 But of course, racism is the problem.

00:28:08.000 Play Cut 71.

00:28:12.000 Don't play my slide.

00:28:13.000 When folks grade, it will get like that.

00:28:17.000 No talking.

00:28:18.000 No cap.

00:28:19.000 No talking.

00:28:20.000 Three switches right here.

00:28:21.000 And I put the video.

00:28:22.000 That's just enough right there.

00:28:24.000 One, two, three.

00:28:25.000 That's enough.

00:28:27.000 Yeah, it's, I don't know if you saw that video, Heather.

00:28:29.000 It's such a mystery why there are so many murders in the inner city.

00:28:32.000 So Heather, just go through the numbers because I think what percentage of murders are committed by Black men in the country, you know, violent crime. 0.58

00:28:41.000 Is it proportional to their population? 0.84

00:28:44.000 Oh, no.

00:28:45.000 It's vastly disproportional. 0.93

00:28:48.000 Blacks commit about 66% of all violent crime in the country, at least in the 75 largest counties, which is where most of the population resides, though they're 15% of the population in those 75 largest counties. 0.99

00:29:01.000 They commit well over half of all murders. 0.98

00:29:04.000 It's so disproportionate.

00:29:05.000 It's far more disproportionate than their number in the prison population, where they're a third of the prison population.

00:29:12.000 In fact, studies have shown that Blacks are less likely to be convicted of felonies, whether because prosecutors just aren't coming down as hard or they've got sympathetic juries. 0.82

00:29:22.000 But at a third of the prison population, that's actually much less than you would expect from Blacks' involvement in violent crime. 0.99

00:29:30.000 But that video is absolutely classic, Charlie. 0.93

00:29:33.000 We've seen those videos.

00:29:34.000 The police see those videos all the time. 0.99

00:29:36.000 You know, we're supposed to believe that the problem with these black kids is that they're too poor. 0.98

00:29:40.000 They don't have any opportunities, as the mayor of Chicago, Brandon Johnson, has said to justify the slash mobs marauding magnificent beating up on white tourists. 0.98

00:29:53.000 The fact of matter is Blacks are posting, inner city kids post videos like that from their smartphones all the time, showing off their money. 0.99

00:30:02.000 Social media is the police's best friend because it helps them solve these gang ties. 0.68

00:30:08.000 Any kid that has a smartphone is not economically deprived.

00:30:12.000 That kid is richer in resources than Louis XIV ever was.

00:30:17.000 But we have turned out to be a lot of people.

00:30:19.000 That is such a good point.

00:30:20.000 That is so correct.

00:30:21.000 Yes.

00:30:22.000 That's a great point.

00:30:24.000 We can't look at it any longer.

00:30:26.000 In the 90s, we were talking about rap music.

00:30:28.000 We were talking about the cop hatred, the misogyny, the homophobia.

00:30:33.000 We were disturbed by it.

00:30:34.000 Now we don't even talk about it.

00:30:37.000 We simply blame ourselves and feel like it is somehow a violation of racial etiquette to mention these pathologies.

00:30:45.000 And there's pathologies in the white underclass as well.

00:30:47.000 Let's be perfectly clear.

00:30:48.000 Of course.

00:30:50.000 And by the way, let's just summarize it.

00:30:51.000 This is so simple.

00:30:52.000 Get married, get a job, graduate high school, don't commit crimes, period.

00:30:59.000 I want to play this piece of tape.

00:31:00.000 There's several pieces of tape.

00:31:01.000 Let's play cut 118.

00:31:04.000 This has gone viral, millions of views, of a kid's birthday party, and the kids are celebrating with firearms.

00:31:12.000 I wonder if they're loaded.

00:31:13.000 The parents are on board with this. 0.60

00:31:15.000 It is a black culture problem, everybody. 0.95

00:31:18.000 You know who the first person to say that is?

00:31:19.000 Brandon Tatum, Candace Owens.

00:31:22.000 It's not racism.

00:31:23.000 It's not white supremacy.

00:31:26.000 I'm sorry, this is a major problem.

00:31:31.000 This is a kid's birthday party of six and seven-year-olds dancing around with handguns.

00:31:37.000 Play cut 118, please.

00:31:43.000 Yeah, but racism is the problem, right? 0.99

00:32:05.000 White supremacy is the greatest threat to the American homeland. 0.99

00:32:09.000 And you know what's really sick? 0.99

00:32:10.000 And I don't delight in this, is that some of those kids are probably going to get killed in a crossfire.

00:32:14.000 First of all, just that, that's again, just like rule number one, that's against like every rule of how you handle a firearm, okay?

00:32:21.000 So that alone should just bother you, okay?

00:32:24.000 Secondly, you're letting eight-year-olds dance around with guns. 0.88

00:32:29.000 Spare me the lecture that it's white people's fault.

00:32:34.000 You were finishing.

00:32:35.000 I don't know if you remember the thought that you were on, but it was important.

00:32:38.000 Do you want to just summarize what you're talking about?

00:32:39.000 We can go from there.

00:32:41.000 Well, yes, there's nothing that white people can do at this point.

00:32:43.000 Get asked all the time.

00:32:45.000 Well, what can we do to close the academic skills gap?

00:32:49.000 And I say, the we that you're referring to cannot do anything more.

00:32:52.000 The we you're referring to have done far enough.

00:32:56.000 I want to play this piece of tape.

00:32:58.000 I don't know if we have my answer to it, but this is important. 0.99

00:33:01.000 Some of the biggest pushers of white supremacy being the problem are white people. 0.98

00:33:06.000 It is self-loathing. 1.00

00:33:09.000 By far the most pushers are white people. 0.95

00:33:13.000 I mean, Al Sharpton and all of them are there, but okay, that's fine. 0.63

00:33:13.000 I would say there's plenty. 0.63

00:33:16.000 Play cut 119.

00:33:18.000 You made a claim that the family is the bedrock of a civilized society or a productive society.

00:33:25.000 How do you define a family?

00:33:27.000 Because in the 250,000 years that humans have existed on this planet, the nuclear family where you had a single breadwinner, 2.6 children, had a white picket fence is barely 100 years old.

00:33:42.000 It's a post-war phenomenon based on the wealth after World War II.

00:33:48.000 So would you consider a family, a same-sex couple, for example, a legitimate family that provides this bedrock for society?

00:33:58.000 And also, you know, we can also remember that interracial families were once illegal as well.

00:34:03.000 So the idea of a family has changed in human history.

00:34:06.000 It used to be extended.

00:34:08.000 Anyway.

00:34:09.000 That's not the tape I wanted, but the dialogue goes on for him mentioning that blacks are treated terribly later in the discussion in the criminal justice system.

00:34:20.000 And my answer is, well, stop committing crimes.

00:34:22.000 I think a lot of people are waking up because the culture, not us, the culture way overplayed their hand when it came to racism being the problem, white supremacy.

00:34:34.000 And I think when you start to see videos like that kids' birthday party and the graduation of blacks waving around guns, like, yeah, timeout, enough blame Whitey. 0.87

00:34:45.000 In fact, we have one of our most viral clips at NAU where a black student says, Well, isn't it white people's fault? 0.96

00:34:51.000 Like, why is it white people's fault that black men don't stay with the women that they impregnate? 0.96

00:34:58.000 How is that my fault or the white race's fault? 0.99

00:35:02.000 How is that white supremacy's fault?

00:35:04.000 The answer, and by the way, just so we're clear, 70 plus percent, so ish, depends on what city, but it's right around 70, 75 percent.

00:35:12.000 So about one in four-ish, but we'll round down.

00:35:14.000 70 percent of black men abandon the women they impregnate. 0.99

00:35:20.000 White people are not to blame for that. 0.97

00:35:25.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody. 0.94

00:35:26.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:29.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:35:30.000 God bless.

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