00:00:40.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:48.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:20.000Candace, you had a viral interview with Tucker yesterday, but after that, or right as the interview was posted, Ben Shapiro tweeted at a Bible verse that you tweeted, which I found to be totally out of line and kind of triggered this massive internet dispute.
00:01:38.000And he effectively asked you to resign from the Daily Wire.
00:01:45.000Well, first, I just want to say that I think people thought it was like all of this was like suspicious timing and that there's no conspiracy here with your conspiracy theory here.
00:01:53.000First and foremost, I had signed on to do Tucker weeks ago.
00:01:56.000So this interview was already planned.
00:01:58.000And then obviously the night before the video of Ben saying some remarks about me went viral.
00:02:05.000And then minutes before my Tucker interview aired, he did tweet that.
00:02:10.000And I haven't yet gotten any clarity on what the significance of that tweet was.
00:02:15.000You know, me posting the Bible passes was just basically me calling for peace and accepting, you know, the things that you can't change.
00:02:22.000And I definitely have had a very peaceful, happy end of pregnancy.
00:02:26.000And so I didn't and still don't really understand the nature of the tweet, but I did feel compelled in this instance to answer more strongly because it was a biblical passage.
00:02:38.000And I have said for a very long time that it does feel like Christians are always being told to shut up.
00:02:45.000And when you share just a biblical passage and it's somehow being construed or being told that there's something wrong with this passage, it was important for me as a Christian to defend our faith.
00:03:26.000And then, secondly, why of all the tweets that he decided to ask you to resign, did he choose a Bible verse?
00:03:32.000Charlie, your questions are the same questions that I have.
00:03:36.000But what I have said on Tucker and what I will say here is that I think a lot of people who are emotionally involved in the conflict overseas are perceiving people that are actually moderate as radical.
00:03:50.000And they're not able to see that maintaining a level head is okay.
00:03:54.000And I think that when they have the benefit of hindsight and it's 2020, they're going to maybe regret some of the things that they've said, especially amongst their most fervent, to their most fervent allies and supporters, which is why on Tucker, I even brought up the concept of the attacks that have been constant against you.
00:04:13.000And if it's, it's sort of like if you don't veer into radicalism right now, then they take everything.
00:04:19.000There's an extreme sensitivity there, you know, and every comment that you make, and I can correlate this two weeks ago when I was quite literally, I sent two tweets back to back about Brian Mast and his comments in Congress being wrong as somebody that is a sitting congressman about saying there's no such thing as innocent civilian life.
00:04:38.000And then I followed up by saying, you know, any sort of genocidal language is wrong no matter what government's coming from.
00:04:43.000I was referring to the American government and the backlash that I got for saying genocide is always wrong, it's bonkers.
00:06:10.000And you and I were on campuses multiple times together defending Israel and defending the Jewish people.
00:06:15.000And so I just find a lot of the coverage to be, you know, not a lot, but some people's chattering has been highly emotional.
00:06:22.000And so let's just, you talked about this in the talker interview, Candace.
00:06:26.000If somebody in the audience is a very pro-Israel person, can you bring them up to speed as how their cause is actually weakening by how they are going after allies?
00:06:39.000And I'm afraid that they are diluting and cheapening the term anti-Semitism the same way they've done with racism.
00:06:48.000There's no question that they've diluted it.
00:06:50.000People are not even blinking now to be called an anti-Semite because, you know, when you start with Richard Spencer and you end with Charlie Kirk and you say everybody's an anti-Semite and everybody's trafficking in anti-Semitic tropes, you've just lost the plot.
00:07:00.000I mean, they've seen everybody from Joe Rogan to Tucker Carlson last night for God knows what reason being called an anti-Semite.
00:07:08.000And it's just completely a losing argument.
00:07:11.000And so it's funny because I've had some, you know, pro-Israel friends that reached out to me and were saying, well, we're just trying to help you.
00:07:19.000And this time I asserted myself and I said, no, you need to listen to me.
00:07:22.000It's obvious to everybody that's looking around right now that there has been a loss in support for Israel.
00:07:27.000And that's not because any person agrees with what happened on October 7th.
00:07:31.000We have all said on our platforms multiple times that what happened on October 7th is completely abhorrent.
00:07:36.000But it has a lot to do with the reaction of going after allies, for asking questions, for trying to remain not neutral, but humane throughout this and saying that it is always sad.
00:07:47.000Like people were upset when I said it's always sad when you see a dead child.
00:07:51.000And some of the upset said, well, you can't say that unless you say that also they were just being used as human shields.
00:07:58.000You can feel empathy for individuals always, no matter what is going on.
00:08:02.000You don't need to gauge or jump into a political debate to acknowledge that you're still a human and you have a human response to seeing a dead child.
00:08:11.000And so what I have said from the very, actually before any of this saw my show, is that when you use terms too much and you refer to everybody as something, whether it is a racist, a sexist, a homophobe, you will then find that those words have no power.
00:08:26.000And I do think that part of the frustration that some people that are pro-Israel are having is trying to understand why this word has no power anymore.
00:08:35.000And I can explain it over and over, but I can't help people understand it.
00:08:39.000You saw it happen with Black Lives Matter.
00:08:41.000First, people were so scared of being called a racist.
00:08:45.000It was such a horrible, smear, horrible libel.
00:08:46.000Like, what do I do to not be called that?
00:08:48.000And then as they started calling everything racist, you started realizing air was racist.
00:08:53.000And the CNN articles were saying, you know, white people blinking was racist.
00:08:56.000It became, okay, now we know that this word actually doesn't mean what you're saying.
00:09:01.000It just means that you want me to submit to whatever it is that you're saying very easily because you've used a smear.
00:09:11.000And actually what you're trying to do is you're trying to assert control over me while claiming that you are the victim in this, but actually you're trying to assert power over me.
00:09:24.000And Dennis Brager has always made that point, by the way, for years and years that you have to be very careful when you use a word like that because it will lose its power very fast.
00:09:32.000And unfortunately, his warnings were not heeded in this circumstance.
00:09:36.000And people just don't believe it when things, when people are being called anti-Semitic anymore.
00:09:43.000He said, an attack used too much loses its power.
00:09:46.000And you and I both, we're kind of, we both still consider Dennis a great friend and a great teacher.
00:09:51.000And Dennis says he's very careful using that label.
00:09:55.000He said, because we want it when we need it, when there's a legit anti-Semite and throwing it around as a thought-terminating cliche or a means of control or hyper-emotional does no one a good service.
00:10:07.000So Candace, let me ask you, because not everyone listens to your show, which is excellent.
00:10:11.000Everyone should subscribe to her show.
00:10:13.000There's a lot of, not a lot, there's a fair amount of rumor or mystery of what you stand on on the war.
00:10:37.000And that's what I've said is nobody even asks anymore.
00:10:39.000And then when you give them an answer and you say, I've said this on my show multiple times, then they say to you, well, I don't listen to your show.
00:11:02.000And again, a way to assert power and control and to say that you need to say it when I am online and on whether it's Instagram or Facebook or Twitter.
00:11:11.000If I didn't see it, it didn't actually happen, which is completely foolish.
00:11:14.000But I have not shifted my views at all, at all, when it comes to Israel and Palestine, whether it is Ukraine or Russia, whether it is Afghanistan.
00:11:23.000We do not need to be sending more money overseas.
00:11:26.000It is the perspective that is held by Thomas Massey, who is now being harassed at being called an anti-Semite for his consistent voting against sending any dollar overseas throughout his entire career, right?
00:11:58.000America is in steep decline educationally, socially, and morally.
00:12:02.000And I have also been clear that I understand the sentiments coming from white Americans that are saying, why are we suddenly being told now to care about the university tobacco when we have been calling this out for years?
00:12:13.000And Charlie, you're the perfect person to speak about this.
00:12:15.000You and I have traversed universities.
00:12:21.000We have been chased out of restaurants for our ideas as conservatives, and nobody cared.
00:12:28.000We couldn't get people to stop funding these universities.
00:12:31.000We could not get people to understand how bad the problem had become when you actually had professors, forget the students that were protesting.
00:12:40.000You had professors that were tweeting, all I want for Christmas is a white genocide.
00:12:44.000I believe that was at Drexel University in Pennsylvania, and that faculty member was protected, calling openly for a genocide of white people.
00:12:53.000It is a fair critique when people say, Why are you telling us this is a problem now?
00:12:56.000And this has been a problem that many of us have been fighting for the last decade, and it seemed like nobody cared.
00:13:02.000And so, by being fair in that assessment, by recognizing what white people have gone through in this country, by recognizing this, what I consider myself to be America-first stances of the problems that are happening in this country, and by saying that I do not want to be involved in another Middle Eastern conflict, no matter where the stage is, people hear that in this moment as some form of anti-Semitism.
00:13:24.000It is the reason that I quoted Thomas Sowell on last night's episode that he has a quote about the civil rights era.
00:13:31.000He's referring to Black America in this quote, but saying when people are used to special treatment, sometimes being treated the same can feel like discrimination.
00:13:38.000And it's not discrimination to say the obvious truths that we are facing in this nation.
00:13:44.000You can debate that academically, but don't be disingenuous and call people anti-Semites for holding the same decisions that they have always held for the last decade.
00:13:53.000Yeah, your position has large agreement in many political circles.
00:13:57.000By the way, it's also held by people from Thomas Massey to Dennis Kucinich to Rand Paul to a certain extent.
00:14:06.000And you can have disagreements without having to throw around some of the most vile labels.
00:14:14.000America's colleges and universities today are less concerned with critical thinking than with indoctrination.
00:14:19.000It is no wonder why so many young Americans embrace cancel culture, deny free speech to conservatives, and even celebrate terrorism.
00:14:26.000But I'm happy to report there is one college where students debate ideas openly and honestly, where they pursue truth together with their professors, and where America's great heritage of liberty is studied and revered.
00:14:38.000As stated in Hillsdale's founding document in 1844, Hillsdale's original mission was to offer the kind of serious liberal arts education needed to preserve the blessings of civil and religious liberty across the land.
00:14:49.000And this mission continues to guide Hillsdale College today.
00:14:52.000You can learn more at my favorite college's website, charlieforhillsdale.com.
00:14:56.000There you will find a short video that's just over a minute long showing how hillsdale's work not only on its michigan campus not only in washington dc campus but across the nation is effective in defending american liberty take some time to watch today at charlieforhillsdale.com that is charlieforhillsdale.com candace i'm curious has ben shapiro called you privately to try to fix this or has this all just been a public dispute It's all been public.
00:15:28.000It's like I said on Tucker last night, something that I think is unfairly a blemish to the Daily Wire because the four of us, other hosts that work here at the Nashville campus, are, we get along very well, you know, and I think that this looks like something that it's not because Ben is not a part of a day-to-day operations.
00:15:48.000And I'm not sure why his instinct is to always air something publicly.
00:15:52.000You know, Charlie, you and I worked for years together.
00:16:15.000We have to be able to have healthy dialogue and healthy instinct, even when we are not understanding each other.
00:16:22.000It doesn't make it better to let things become public fodder.
00:16:25.000And it's why I did not want to meet Ben where he was at in engaging anything that was disparaging about him because I'm look, I'm 34 years old.
00:16:35.000I know how to communicate like an adult.
00:16:38.000And so, yeah, I don't still yet fully understand where he is coming from.
00:16:45.000And I do think that we have all tried to be exceedingly understanding of his emotions during this time as somebody who has familial ties to Israel.
00:16:57.000And understanding that over the last five weeks, it's been a very emotional time for him.
00:17:02.000And that's the human angle that I have tried to take in trying to perhaps understand why he is airing some of this publicly.
00:17:12.000Yeah, look, I said I've known Ben for a long time.
00:17:15.000I hope he fixes that because leadership should not, leadership should warrant the tough conversation and to do it in private.
00:17:22.000By the way, it's not good for the movement.
00:18:12.000We must remain ideologically consistent.
00:18:15.000I think it's important to call balls and strikes within our own movement.
00:18:20.000And I think that that's part of the problem is that many people are not, as I sent our cross in, behaving with consistently conservative principles on these matters.
00:18:29.000And I'm seeing a lot of behavior that mimics BLM right now.
00:18:33.000And that is going to, without question, cause a fracturing in the movement by people that are well-intended.
00:18:39.000And look, I think that we were already sensing this sort of civil war in the conservative movement.
00:18:45.000And I think that's best represented by the very different perspectives that even the candidates that are running have.
00:19:05.000I think Trump was a huge part of that sea change, obviously, and realizing that there's a frustration.
00:19:12.000I think younger conservatives feel a little disconnected and detached from some of the older conservatives in the movement for certain reasons that those that have become accustomed to military, industrial, complex instincts and constantly saying that our allegiance should somehow be overseas and they become accustomed to constantly being involved in overseas complex.
00:19:31.000And I think that we want something different.
00:19:33.000And the first thing that we want that is something different is healthy debate and demanding healthy debate, demanding full-throated discussions and not emotional responses.
00:19:42.000No matter what happens, whether Russia invades Ukraine, we deserve a full-throated debate about whether or not we should be sending billions of dollars unaccounted for over to Zelensky, whether or not it's COVID policy.
00:19:54.000No matter how fearful people are, we deserve to have a full-throated debate about how we live in a COVID era.
00:20:00.000Do we still have our freedoms or do we become people that are suddenly authoritarian because we have fears?
00:20:06.000That is the future of the Republican Party that I want to see is our people that can look back and say, whether you agreed with me or did not agree with me, I remained consistent and I hope that you respect that.
00:20:37.000Chances are you've been out here before the chaos in the markets, oil and stocks, just when you thought it was safe, and interest rates were rising.
00:21:41.000I want everyone to check out when race trumps merit.
00:21:44.000So, Heather, there's been several stories.
00:21:46.000Haley Biden carjacked in D.C., eight teenagers charged with murder in Las Vegas of a young white man, San Francisco that's cleaning up all the streets for G, which is a separate issue in some way.
00:21:57.000But we see all these different stories, and we're getting more and more emails.
00:22:01.000Do you think that white America is starting to wake up that there is a multi-dimensional, multi-institutional war against white people in this country?
00:22:11.000Well, we haven't figured out a language yet to really talk about it, Charlie, that will be acceptable to even many conservative ears.
00:22:18.000But I certainly hear that from students.
00:22:21.000I was at the University of Virginia last week, and a young student that I was speaking with said that there is a growing awareness among young people, especially for white males, that they are absolutely pariahs in our society.
00:22:37.000They are going to be the last admitted to schools, excuse me, the last hired, the first fired.
00:22:45.000And so it is a reality, and it is a reality that is absolutely denied by the entirety of our mainstream society and by many conservatives.
00:22:56.000We need to keep pointing this out because there is no grounds whatsoever for European, the inheritors of European civilization to cancel it.
00:23:08.000Now, those inheritors may be people of all different colors, but the people that are under attack are the Caucasian inheritors of that civilization.
00:23:19.000And at this point in world history, we have nothing to apologize for because any violations of human rights and human rights is, of course, exclusively a European Western concept.
00:23:34.000Violations of those rights, whether it's American slavery or imperial atrocities, pale in comparison to every other civilization's ongoing atrocities and violence.
00:23:49.000So, Heather, I mean, another example, Louisiana Tech, a black student stabbing four white women is just another story that has happened.
00:23:59.000I do think that there is a greater and greater understanding and agreement that the laws, the enforcement of laws, the lack of media coverage, it's almost fashionable to hate white people.
00:24:15.000Now, I guess the next question is, Heather, what next?
00:24:18.000Would it be helpful for white people or white America to recognize and realize this and talk about this more?
00:24:25.000Because anytime we notice it, it's the amazing phrase from Michael Anton: it's not happening, but it's good that it is.
00:24:32.000Like, we're not allowed to even notice it.
00:24:39.000You know, we have a president now who goes around at every opportunity staying the preposterous lie that white supremacy is the biggest threat in this country.
00:24:49.000And let's just get the facts out there, Charlie, yet again, because this is so completely denied by the media that amplifies the Biden message of white supremacy.
00:25:01.000If you look at all interracial violence between blacks and whites and whites and blacks, blacks commit 87% of all interracial attacks between blacks and whites and whites and blacks.
00:25:11.000A black is 35 times more likely to commit an act of violence against a white person than vice versa.
00:25:19.000And we see it, you know, the few times when you get the videos and you get either the names that reveal that it's a black perpetrator because of the pseudo-Africanist names, we see this happening and yet we're in an absolute state of denial.
00:25:36.000So what it's going to take, what sort of politician or leader to articulate that reality, it remains a very, very touchy thing.
00:25:47.000I mean, I can feel it when I go on, you know, what is for us the mainstream media, which is Fox News.
00:25:54.000If you use white in any other context than one of opprobrium, you really are asking to be called a racist by fellow conservatives.
00:26:05.000And that is preposterous because to say that whites are under attack is not to attack blacks per se.
00:26:13.000It is to notice the facts, the averages.
00:26:17.000Of course, there are millions of blacks who are law-abiding, who don't want to be treated as perpetual victims and wards of the state.
00:26:28.000But on average, there is a pathological inner city culture that is creating dysfunction.
00:26:36.000And you have now what's going on, a race hustle on the part of too many black leaders where they can simply play upon white guilt and claim that it is an accomplishment in itself to be black.
00:26:52.000You know, you have the possibility now of specializing in being black, just as I could specialize in being female, or gays can specialize in being gay.
00:27:01.000And that's the one accomplishment that nobody can compete with you on.
00:27:06.000And it gives you enormous power over the absolute pariahs of straight white males.
00:27:14.000And yet we're told that racism is the biggest problem.
00:27:25.000I don't think every Black believes that racism is the biggest problem.
00:27:29.000I think some have convinced themselves of that.
00:27:31.000But I think deep down, a lot of great Black Americans, they know that there are other problems.
00:27:37.000Like you said, the pathologies that are put into their culture, right?
00:27:40.000What is considered to be acceptable, not staying with the women that you impregnate, so on and so forth.
00:27:45.000Instead of telling Black Americans that they could be great by doing great noble things, we have this self-esteem cult of like black girl magic.
00:28:27.000Yeah, it's, I don't know if you saw that video, Heather.
00:28:29.000It's such a mystery why there are so many murders in the inner city.
00:28:32.000So Heather, just go through the numbers because I think what percentage of murders are committed by Black men in the country, you know, violent crime.
00:28:41.000Is it proportional to their population?
00:28:48.000Blacks commit about 66% of all violent crime in the country, at least in the 75 largest counties, which is where most of the population resides, though they're 15% of the population in those 75 largest counties.
00:29:01.000They commit well over half of all murders.
00:29:05.000It's far more disproportionate than their number in the prison population, where they're a third of the prison population.
00:29:12.000In fact, studies have shown that Blacks are less likely to be convicted of felonies, whether because prosecutors just aren't coming down as hard or they've got sympathetic juries.
00:29:22.000But at a third of the prison population, that's actually much less than you would expect from Blacks' involvement in violent crime.
00:29:30.000But that video is absolutely classic, Charlie.
00:29:34.000The police see those videos all the time.
00:29:36.000You know, we're supposed to believe that the problem with these black kids is that they're too poor.
00:29:40.000They don't have any opportunities, as the mayor of Chicago, Brandon Johnson, has said to justify the slash mobs marauding magnificent beating up on white tourists.
00:29:53.000The fact of matter is Blacks are posting, inner city kids post videos like that from their smartphones all the time, showing off their money.
00:30:02.000Social media is the police's best friend because it helps them solve these gang ties.
00:30:08.000Any kid that has a smartphone is not economically deprived.
00:30:12.000That kid is richer in resources than Louis XIV ever was.
00:30:17.000But we have turned out to be a lot of people.
00:33:27.000Because in the 250,000 years that humans have existed on this planet, the nuclear family where you had a single breadwinner, 2.6 children, had a white picket fence is barely 100 years old.
00:33:42.000It's a post-war phenomenon based on the wealth after World War II.
00:33:48.000So would you consider a family, a same-sex couple, for example, a legitimate family that provides this bedrock for society?
00:33:58.000And also, you know, we can also remember that interracial families were once illegal as well.
00:34:03.000So the idea of a family has changed in human history.
00:34:09.000That's not the tape I wanted, but the dialogue goes on for him mentioning that blacks are treated terribly later in the discussion in the criminal justice system.
00:34:20.000And my answer is, well, stop committing crimes.
00:34:22.000I think a lot of people are waking up because the culture, not us, the culture way overplayed their hand when it came to racism being the problem, white supremacy.
00:34:34.000And I think when you start to see videos like that kids' birthday party and the graduation of blacks waving around guns, like, yeah, timeout, enough blame Whitey.
00:34:45.000In fact, we have one of our most viral clips at NAU where a black student says, Well, isn't it white people's fault?
00:34:51.000Like, why is it white people's fault that black men don't stay with the women that they impregnate?
00:34:58.000How is that my fault or the white race's fault?