The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie and Vivek's Tag-Team Q&A at UNC Chapel Hill

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00:01:14.000 How are we doing, everybody?

00:01:17.000 It's actually my first time here at UNC Chapel Hill.

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00:01:28.000 Vivek, welcome to North Carolina.

00:01:29.000 It's good to be here, guys.

00:01:31.000 And so Vivek and I are traveling the country.

00:01:34.000 We're doing events just today.

00:01:35.000 We were in Georgia and now North Carolina.

00:01:37.000 And there's an election in 15 days, Vivek.

00:01:40.000 Yeah, there is.

00:01:41.000 And I think hopefully everybody in this room is registered.

00:01:43.000 If not, make sure you actually get registered and get out and vote.

00:01:46.000 My hope in this election, I was hearing that routine beforehand.

00:01:49.000 Who was his name?

00:01:50.000 Joe Bob.

00:01:51.000 Give him a round of applause.

00:01:51.000 I love him.

00:01:52.000 He was pretty funny.

00:01:53.000 I thought he was good.

00:01:55.000 So he was talking about identity politics, and I hope if the Democrats learn one thing this election cycle, it will be that identity politics just doesn't work.

00:02:06.000 After they lose, we learn once and for all in this country that when you just give somebody a job based on their race and gender, it turns out to be a disaster every single time.

00:02:19.000 And I'm not even talking about Kamala Harris this time.

00:02:22.000 I'm talking about Tim Walz, actually.

00:02:24.000 Who also got his job for his race and gender, but it doesn't work out no matter which direction you do it.

00:02:29.000 And the truth of the matter is, November 5th is not the destination actually.

00:02:34.000 November 5th is the start line to save this country.

00:02:38.000 Our founding fathers, they were not that much older than the people who were in this room when they set an entire country into motion in 1776.

00:02:46.000 I think 2024 is our 1776, and you guys are the generation who I think is going to save this country.

00:02:53.000 And you know what?

00:02:54.000 You're going to do it first of all between now and November 5th by actually turning out and voting and surprising and turning upside down what young people are supposed to do. 0.67

00:03:01.000 Forget about that.

00:03:02.000 Go the other way, and I think we're going to save the country, man.

00:03:04.000 Yeah, I mean, this is the first generation.

00:03:06.000 We'll talk about this tonight.

00:03:07.000 And by the way, we'll do primarily Q&A tonight because that's why we're all here.

00:03:11.000 It is the first generation since George Washington where you have it worse off than your parents, where that is a standard belief in America that you at least have the same life that your parents would have, if not a better life.

00:03:22.000 And your parents were able to work hard, play by the rules, go to college, graduate, be able to get married, have kids, buy a home, and have a stable American dream.

00:03:31.000 When Donald Trump was president, in order to buy a home in this country, you needed $75,000 of income a year.

00:03:37.000 Now it's $135,000 of income a year.

00:03:39.000 You are becoming a nation of renters.

00:03:41.000 Our generation is the most depressed generation, the most sick generation, the most anxious generation, the most medicated generation, and the most in debt generation in American history.

00:03:49.000 And very simple.

00:03:51.000 If you as a generation cannot afford a home, your cities are too dangerous to walk at night, and you cannot get married and have kids without going into debt, it's time to fire your leaders and put somebody in charge that can make sure those things are possible for your generation.

00:04:06.000 You do not have to overcomplicate it.

00:04:09.000 We can have a lot of disagreements tonight, but there has been a ruling class over the last 32 years with one exception, and Vivek and I believe that exception was for four years from 2017 to early 2021 when Donald Trump was president, where there was an agreement to make you poorer.

00:04:25.000 An agreement to put you last.

00:04:26.000 An agreement to put Americans last, actually, and America last. 0.88

00:04:30.000 And we see what that results in.

00:04:32.000 They have been playing proxy with your future since the time you were born.

00:04:36.000 And now that you are actually a mature adult where you can vote, own property, graduate, and come into the world, you realize this is not the American dream that I thought it was.

00:04:43.000 And it's because your leaders in both political parties, but primarily one, They have been playing and mortgaging your future for quite a while.

00:04:51.000 We believe it's time for a revitalization and a restoration of the American dream.

00:04:54.000 We believe that transcends politics.

00:04:56.000 And we look at the four years when Trump was president.

00:04:59.000 Your incomes were going up.

00:05:00.000 Your wages were going up.

00:05:01.000 Inflation was flatlining.

00:05:02.000 Homeownership was going up.

00:05:04.000 I want to go back to that, where we were not on the precipice of World War III, did not have 10 million foreigners coming into this country, and we were actually putting our country first.

00:05:11.000 So we're going to talk about that tonight.

00:05:12.000 Vivek, can you speak about that specifically to the next generation?

00:05:15.000 And then let's open it up for questions.

00:05:16.000 Yeah, and I don't use this terminology lightly.

00:05:20.000 We are in the middle of a war in this country.

00:05:24.000 Your enemy is not your fellow citizen, but it is an ideology.

00:05:28.000 And I call this a war because there's no middle ground here, right?

00:05:31.000 Either you believe in merit or you believe in group quotas.

00:05:34.000 You can't have both.

00:05:35.000 Either you believe in free speech or you believe in censorship.

00:05:39.000 You can't have both.

00:05:41.000 Either you believe in American exceptionalism, that this country we live in is the greatest nation known to the history of mankind, or you believe in apologizing for who we are and our way of life.

00:05:50.000 You cannot have both.

00:05:51.000 And I do think right now we need a commander-in-chief who is going to lead us to victory in that war.

00:05:58.000 That's why Charlie and I are supporting full-heartedly Donald Trump as the next president of the United States.

00:06:02.000 But I'll tell you this.

00:06:03.000 Thank you.

00:06:04.000 I'll tell you, your generation, it's a little bit harder than when I was in your shoes, actually.

00:06:14.000 Even when I graduated, it was in the eve of the 2008 financial crisis.

00:06:19.000 I graduated in 07.

00:06:20.000 Got a financial job in New York City.

00:06:21.000 Interesting time to get a job back then.

00:06:24.000 That paled in comparison to what you're actually facing.

00:06:27.000 Right now, prices are going up.

00:06:28.000 Wages have remained flat.

00:06:30.000 It's a tough market to be able to get a job, to be able to even aspire to own a home, and all against the backdrop of forget the economics of it.

00:06:38.000 I went to places like Harvard and Yale, and they leaned left, but you could still express yourself.

00:06:42.000 You wouldn't be at risk of being silenced or reprimanded for expressing your beliefs, even if you're in the minority.

00:06:48.000 Today, you've got to choose between speaking your mind freely and putting food on the dinner table.

00:06:52.000 Between the American Dream and the First Amendment.

00:06:55.000 So you all are actually in a tougher position than I was even about, what, 20 years ago when I was in your shoes.

00:07:01.000 But don't be victims about it.

00:07:03.000 That's the message for today.

00:07:04.000 We're going to identify the problem.

00:07:06.000 But I'll tell you the same message I tell the left, which is that we're not going to be victims, just like our founding fathers weren't.

00:07:11.000 We're going to be victorious.

00:07:13.000 And the next 15 days is our chance to actually step up.

00:07:15.000 The next 18 days is to step up and actually be victorious.

00:07:19.000 And so you have every reason to be upset, to say that this isn't the country that you were promised, the American dream.

00:07:25.000 It's not alive and well.

00:07:25.000 What are you talking about?

00:07:27.000 It is alive and hanging on for life support.

00:07:29.000 The political consultants wanted me to tell you it's mourning in America, like Ronald Reagan said 40 years ago.

00:07:36.000 Well, it's not morning in America right now.

00:07:39.000 But I believe it can be.

00:07:41.000 And that's not somebody else's choice.

00:07:43.000 That's not in somebody else's hands.

00:07:44.000 It's in your hands.

00:07:45.000 It's in our hands.

00:07:46.000 That's why we're here.

00:07:47.000 And the way we're going to get there is, by the way, all of us starting to talk in the open again.

00:07:51.000 All right?

00:07:51.000 So if you're going to say it in private at the dinner table, stand up and say it with a spine right here.

00:07:57.000 That's how we get our country back.

00:07:58.000 It's why we're here.

00:07:59.000 So don't be brainwashed, as we say here.

00:08:02.000 And Let's open up and have a conversation tonight.

00:08:04.000 So we'll have a line right in the middle here.

00:08:06.000 Again, we could talk forever, but you guys are here to ask questions.

00:08:08.000 Who here has voted already?

00:08:10.000 Raise your hand if you voted already.

00:08:11.000 That is awesome.

00:08:12.000 That is really good.

00:08:14.000 And I'm sure there's some Harris-Waltz voters in there somewhere.

00:08:19.000 That's alright.

00:08:20.000 Just really quick.

00:08:21.000 Do not disagree.

00:08:23.000 Do not interrupt.

00:08:24.000 Do not boo if somebody says something you disagree with, please.

00:08:27.000 Show respect to people that might have different views.

00:08:30.000 This is a center-right, predominantly conservative audience.

00:08:33.000 If somebody is a liberal or a leftist and comes up to the mic, let's show liberals the respect they never show us.

00:08:38.000 How does that sound tonight?

00:08:39.000 night okay hi So before I get into my question, I'm, like, Pakistani.

00:08:51.000 My English teacher, I'm left-wing.

00:08:54.000 My English teacher said, Vivek, that I'm the left-wing version of you, which I don't really know how to feel about.

00:08:58.000 But let's not...

00:08:59.000 I can't see you, but you must be a pretty good-looking guy, you know?

00:09:01.000 Thank you.

00:09:02.000 So my question's about the Electoral College and why you guys support it.

00:09:05.000 I think everyone's vote should count equally, no matter which state you live in.

00:09:08.000 Why do you guys support a system where candidates are forced to go to seven swing states that are primarily urban, you know, and leave rural America behind?

00:09:15.000 So do you support the U.S. Senate?

00:09:18.000 No, I don't.

00:09:19.000 But let's talk about the Electoral College and not change the subject.

00:09:21.000 Actually, it's related.

00:09:22.000 Yes, that's why I know.

00:09:24.000 I got three words in.

00:09:26.000 Can I get four?

00:09:26.000 Continue.

00:09:28.000 Sure.

00:09:29.000 Thank you.

00:09:30.000 Because the U.S. Senate is the same principle of the Electoral College.

00:09:33.000 Okay, so therefore, in the original intended Electoral College, it's that the states elect the presidents.

00:09:37.000 It's not a national popular project.

00:09:39.000 We believe that's actually what makes America different, let me finish, than European projects, which is that we're first and foremost a collection of states.

00:09:46.000 The states created the federal government.

00:09:48.000 The federal government did not create the states.

00:09:49.000 And I think it's a beautiful thing that seven very diverse states with black populations, Hispanic populations, working class white populations, Are going to determine the future of America, not just LA and New York.

00:09:59.000 I think it's a very beautiful thing.

00:10:00.000 So two things.

00:10:01.000 First off, the Electoral College doesn't make it so that states pick the president.

00:10:04.000 You can win the presidency with 12 states in the Electoral College.

00:10:07.000 What you're proposing is having one electoral vote per state, and that would be by the states.

00:10:12.000 Second, there are only nine cities in the US with like a million people.

00:10:16.000 It's pretty much impossible to win the Electoral College just by going to big cities.

00:10:19.000 When Kamala Harris goes to Pennsylvania, she goes to big cities. 0.88

00:10:21.000 When Trump goes to Pennsylvania, he goes to more rural areas like in Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:10:26.000 The big city's argument just doesn't seem to sit well with me.

00:10:28.000 Why not pick the president the same way you pick every other governor in the country and every other office in the country?

00:10:33.000 Well, it's actually not how we do every other office.

00:10:34.000 There are proportional elections across the country.

00:10:36.000 However, again, it goes back to state representation.

00:10:38.000 I want to get Vivekan here for a second.

00:10:40.000 But I also have another question, which I think is important, which is, do you think that it's a good thing that candidates have to crisscross from Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Michigan, Wisconsin?

00:10:52.000 Is there something good that comes out of the Electoral College?

00:10:54.000 I agree.

00:10:54.000 I think we should get rid of it and pass a law requiring all candidates to visit every state at least once or twice.

00:10:59.000 Okay.

00:11:00.000 So, but it's very important, and I just want to say the objections to the Electoral College usually come from the left.

00:11:04.000 I'm not saying that's necessarily, but it's typically.

00:11:07.000 And it's important to know that both sides, quote-unquote, benefit from states that are not as populated.

00:11:12.000 For example, Democrats benefit from Delaware, Rhode Island, Connecticut, and Washington, D.C., whereas Republicans will benefit from Montana, Wyoming, and the Dakotas.

00:11:20.000 Not to mention also Hawaii benefits the Democrats.

00:11:23.000 It's a tilt advantage for candidates that are actually able to represent the values of the industrial heartland, an area that has largely been forgotten.

00:11:30.000 Vivek, do you have thoughts on this?

00:11:31.000 Yeah, I mean, I'd echo a lot of what Charlie said.

00:11:32.000 I know this is one of your favorite ones, but I just add one thing to this, and I think it's important to understand that we don't even have to actually be so upset about it.

00:11:40.000 There's a method to change it if we don't like it in the United States.

00:11:43.000 It's called amending the Constitution.

00:11:44.000 So this is part of the original rules of the road that the founders set into motion because they wanted to respect every state in the union.

00:11:51.000 Otherwise, some would just be steamrolled over.

00:11:54.000 But if we don't like it, you can amend the Constitution.

00:11:56.000 But the reason that's not going to happen is because the states of this union recognize the importance of their representation.

00:12:02.000 So in a certain sense, it's just what the Founding Fathers wrote into the document in the first place.

00:12:06.000 You're entitled to have a different point of view.

00:12:08.000 You could persuade your fellow Americans to change it, but the reason that hasn't happened in 250 years is that the system that got us this far, it's been, you know, for all of its faults, working pretty darn well to give us the greatest nation known to mankind that people said would not last more than a generation.

00:12:22.000 And a part of the reason why is that we gave that voice to every one of the states, not just the Californians and New Yorks of the world.

00:12:28.000 Thank you, man, for the question.

00:12:29.000 I appreciate it.

00:12:36.000 So my question is about the fertility rate.

00:12:40.000 As of next year, there will be one country in the entirety of this hemisphere that has an above replacement rate fertility rate.

00:12:48.000 It'll be Haiti. 0.98

00:12:49.000 We have already run out of European immigrants to accept. 1.00

00:12:53.000 We are soon going to run out of Central American immigrants, and after that, we'll run out of Africans. 1.00

00:12:59.000 At some point, Low-skill immigration labor is not a solution to the fertility crisis.

00:13:07.000 China has a fertility rate of below 1, Korea at 1.3, and the United States at 1.6.

00:13:14.000 The human race is expected to be significantly less populous at the end of the century than it was at the start.

00:13:23.000 What is a policy solution to that, considering that every economic, social benefit, and worker rights solution that's ever been tried in any country, from Sweden, Switzerland, North Korea, China, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, have all failed.

00:13:38.000 How do we get people to have more children? 0.97

00:13:42.000 I mean, I will say that thank you for bringing up a question that is A far greater threat to the future of humanity and the United States of America than climate change ever will be, okay?

00:13:54.000 And that's a hard fact.

00:13:56.000 So you're actually putting your finger on the pulse of something that actually threatens the future of humanity rather than the made-up mythology that we make up.

00:14:02.000 And they kind of work together, actually, because many people are not having children now in the name of worrying about the future of climate change harming humanity when, in fact, their decision not to procreate is actually what's giving us the crisis in the first place.

00:14:14.000 So first thing is outside of government.

00:14:16.000 What you said is what policy solution would work.

00:14:19.000 You actually raise a pretty good point.

00:14:20.000 Policy solutions haven't been great at affecting the fertility rate in Japan, in Singapore.

00:14:26.000 China went the other direction, a folly that's now cost them the status of being the world's most populous country. 0.93

00:14:32.000 But I do believe in a cultural change in this country.

00:14:35.000 When you believe in yourself, when you believe in the unit of your family, when you believe in your nation, when you believe that your children grow up in a better country than you do, then people are going to be more likely to have children in that environment.

00:14:46.000 So the men in this audience, I mean, my best advice to you is get married, have kids, don't think twice about it, and you're actually doing a service to your country and to the future of humanity.

00:14:56.000 Same advice to the women on the other side of it is that we have too long fallen into the trap of believing that somehow having kids is a trade-off versus doing other valuable things in your life, like having your own independent career that's taken over the mentality of becoming actually hostile to having children.

00:15:12.000 When, in fact, you're able to do both of those things better if you're bringing more children into the world because you have more skin in the game.

00:15:18.000 So I'm going to bet on cultural change far sooner than I'm going to bet on policy change.

00:15:23.000 As a matter of policy, we penalize having children in many ways, too.

00:15:27.000 So right now, I've got to roll back a lot of those policy changes that penalize the family.

00:15:31.000 And with that, we drive a cultural change that makes us happen.

00:15:34.000 There's a couple of countries that have reversed it.

00:15:36.000 Poland and Hungary have.

00:15:37.000 Hungary has successfully, with Viktor Orban's program, of literally paying people to have kids.

00:15:43.000 I would point out that the Hungarian reversal is simply a side effect of Soviet birth rate collapse, and that the Hungarian birth rate has started to decline again.

00:15:52.000 Those policies were only temporary.

00:15:54.000 You might be right.

00:15:55.000 I mean, I don't know the details of it.

00:15:56.000 I remember that in my book, and it's fair, but at least it's better than the other countries. 1.00

00:16:00.000 Absolutely.

00:16:01.000 Better doing something than nothing.

00:16:02.000 Yeah, you would admit that at least there was an uptick at some point.

00:16:04.000 Yeah, so look... 0.68

00:16:05.000 Having children is a value, and this is a very important teaching lesson for everyone here, which is if you would have told somebody 300 years ago that having children is not natural to humanity, that given the opportunity that you could exist without having kids, people would think you're nuts.

00:16:20.000 But now that we have the technology to not have kids, but have the...

00:16:23.000 But enact the pleasurable act of having kids without having the kids, right?

00:16:29.000 Replacing children with pets, for example.

00:16:32.000 Replacing children with pets, for example.

00:16:35.000 South Korean child care experiences.

00:16:36.000 Right.

00:16:37.000 So widespread contraception use, abortion, so on and so forth, has resulted in widespread plummeting birth rates.

00:16:44.000 And children now look at it as an inconvenience.

00:16:47.000 I'm a father of two.

00:16:48.000 Vivek's a father of two.

00:16:49.000 That's not enough.

00:16:50.000 You're supposed to have three.

00:16:51.000 Well, I'm not...

00:16:52.000 2.1 is the number.

00:16:54.000 Man, I've been at this for two years.

00:16:55.000 We'll meet in five years, alright?

00:16:57.000 Let's see what we're doing.

00:17:00.000 But let me just say, fair enough.

00:17:03.000 I will say, children are a blessing from the Lord.

00:17:06.000 They're not an inconvenience.

00:17:07.000 It's not just a group of germs.

00:17:08.000 It's not a clump of cells.

00:17:09.000 That was a great answer.

00:17:10.000 It's a beautiful thing.

00:17:11.000 And I wanted to say, we need to celebrate having children.

00:17:15.000 I think we need to look at public policy proposals at work.

00:17:18.000 But Vivek is right.

00:17:19.000 As long as a culture looks as kids, as impediments to your own wealth and happiness and your own travel schedule and being a CEO of a shoe company, fertility rates are going to keep on going. 0.99

00:17:31.000 Hey, thanks for speaking with us today.

00:17:34.000 So, if y'all's main concern with this tour is that colleges are scamming students, why are you supporting the candidate that had to pay $25 million for defrauding students at Trump University?

00:17:45.000 I didn't hear all that.

00:17:46.000 I think you said that, I guess you're saying, I think college is a scam, so why am I supporting Trump, essentially?

00:17:51.000 Because Trump had to pay $25 million for the students that went to Trump University.

00:17:55.000 Yeah, I mean, he settled a lawsuit.

00:17:57.000 It wasn't a decision.

00:17:58.000 He settled a lawsuit.

00:17:59.000 But yeah, I don't know the details of that case very well.

00:18:01.000 But yeah, let me just ask a question.

00:18:02.000 How many of you guys have to take classes that are a waste of time that you wish you wouldn't have to take?

00:18:05.000 So look around.

00:18:06.000 Everyone here is being scammed.

00:18:10.000 Let me go further.

00:18:12.000 Do you know that half of the kids in this audience at this very good school will get a job that does not require a college degree?

00:18:18.000 Half of the kids here.

00:18:20.000 But at least these students might end up getting degrees, but the students that went to Trump's university had to pay all this money and then never even got degrees.

00:18:27.000 So if that's such a concern to you...

00:18:29.000 I don't know the details...

00:18:30.000 Are you going to finish?

00:18:31.000 Sorry.

00:18:31.000 Well, I know the question you're saying.

00:18:33.000 I don't know the details of the Trump University case very well.

00:18:36.000 But if this is such a big concern that colleges are scamming students, then why don't you care that the person that you've endorsed for president literally scammed students for college...

00:18:45.000 I had to pay them millions of dollars for it.

00:18:46.000 Again, from what I understand, some people actually really benefited from it.

00:18:49.000 Some people didn't.

00:18:49.000 It was a civil lawsuit that he settled.

00:18:52.000 Most of them didn't get all their money back.

00:18:54.000 Is that the most pressing issue regarding Trump for the 2024 election for you?

00:18:58.000 It's not.

00:18:59.000 But the reason that I wanted to ask is because...

00:19:02.000 I've never been asked about Trump.

00:19:03.000 When we signed up for this, we got a bunch of information about how colleges are scamming students.

00:19:08.000 And that's what y'all would be talking about today.

00:19:10.000 So I thought it would be relevant because y'all endorsed someone that...

00:19:12.000 Is on record for scamming students for college.

00:19:15.000 Again, I reject the premise, but again, I will say, I think there's a lot of other reasons that Vivek and I are voting for Donald Trump other than Trump University.

00:19:25.000 Okay, well, thanks.

00:19:27.000 You're trying to create a gotcha moment here.

00:19:29.000 No, I mean, I just think it's relevant to the topic that it's all on the screen right now.

00:19:34.000 There's one issue with university funding in this country, and this is actually relevant to every voter because we're all paying for it.

00:19:41.000 Anybody who's a taxpayer is paying for this behemoth called the U.S. Department of Education.

00:19:46.000 And they have nothing to do with Trump University, but they have a lot to do with the rising cost of college across this country.

00:19:52.000 Subsidizing one class of degrees while doing nothing for vocational education or two-year college degrees, which is why somebody was sold a false myth to say I'll be a gender studies major in California and somehow get a head start in the American dream when it hasn't worked out that way and they...

00:20:07.000 Graduate college with a boatload of debt that they're not actually going to be able to pay off.

00:20:11.000 So as it relates to a policy decision, as it applies to universities, Donald Trump has made clear, I shared this position during my own presidential campaign, that we should shut down the US Department of Education and return that money back to the states and to the people to put it in pockets of people like the people who are sitting in the audience right now, So you're not defrauded by your government that you're voting for and paying taxes to.

00:20:32.000 And it's a very different position than what the other side has on offer, which is to expand institutions like the Department of Education, which further drive up college costs, which has been disastrous for many of the students who are graduating with debt they didn't intend to fully sign up for.

00:20:46.000 So that's why it's relevant.

00:20:47.000 And I imagine you're voting for Kamala, I'm guessing.

00:20:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:51.000 So why are you voting for Kamala?

00:20:53.000 I just think that the first thing I would look for in a candidate is someone that I think would be willing to accept if they lost the election.

00:21:00.000 And I'm just concerned that after 2020, that if Trump did lose again, that he would again pretend that he didn't lose and lie to all the people that supported him and gave money to his campaign and tell them that their vote didn't count.

00:21:18.000 I mean, all the evidence showed that it did.

00:21:21.000 What is Kamala's greatest accomplishment?

00:21:23.000 I mean, I would say her greatest accomplishments would probably be when she was district attorney, when she was She broke up a bunch of transnational criminal organizations. 1.00

00:21:39.000 But, again, I was really just asking about Trump University and your opinion because it's relevant to this topic.

00:21:44.000 No, I know.

00:21:44.000 I asked you the most simple question.

00:21:45.000 I asked who you were voting for and why.

00:21:47.000 I don't want to have a whole 30-minute day with you.

00:21:48.000 I was just asking a question.

00:21:50.000 Thanks for answering.

00:21:50.000 No, no, no.

00:21:51.000 You embodied white dude for Harris Energy perfectly.

00:21:53.000 Thank you very much.

00:21:53.000 I don't know why.

00:21:54.000 Okay.

00:21:54.000 Thank you.

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00:22:45.000 I'm a conservative political science major, and I do agree that some aspects of college are definitely a scam, like DEI. But apart from law school, do you think humanities majors are unnecessary, even though some jobs do require a bachelor?

00:23:01.000 Largely, yeah.

00:23:02.000 Do you want to be a lawyer?

00:23:04.000 No.

00:23:05.000 So if you want to get into politics, I can tell you right now, college is a complete waste of time.

00:23:09.000 You do politics.

00:23:11.000 You don't study politics.

00:23:12.000 And I say this with all possible due respect.

00:23:14.000 You've been just completely lied to.

00:23:16.000 You do not need a political science degree to go work for a campaign or intern for a congressman.

00:23:20.000 You just don't.

00:23:20.000 It's about how hard you work and who you know.

00:23:23.000 And someone deceived you to go borrow a bunch of money to go here.

00:23:26.000 So I'm sorry to hear that.

00:23:27.000 One thing I'll just say is...

00:23:30.000 For years, we've made a mistake to say that somehow the only way to get a head start in the American Dream was to go through a four-year college degree.

00:23:36.000 You don't think about why you're doing it.

00:23:38.000 You just take out the loan.

00:23:39.000 You just go through the motions, and that's what you do.

00:23:42.000 Turns out there's no alternative.

00:23:43.000 I don't want to see us do some other alternative formula either.

00:23:46.000 For me, a four-year college degree was the right choice.

00:23:48.000 I studied molecular biology, gave me a head start to be able to be a biotech investor, start a biotech company.

00:23:53.000 Not because that degree actually helped me, but the knowledge I gained along that way did.

00:23:57.000 You can actually gain a lot of that knowledge without going to a university.

00:24:00.000 So Roger Sherman, actually, you asked about law school.

00:24:04.000 He was one of our founding fathers.

00:24:05.000 He actually did not go to law school, but was one of the greatest attorneys at the time of the founding of the country.

00:24:11.000 And then eventually he ended up joining the governing body of Yale University, where he actually wanted to do that to be able to give his kids a chance that he didn't have.

00:24:19.000 But he was the best attorney of his day, even though he's not actually one who went to law school because he didn't have the money to do it.

00:24:24.000 And so I think there's this trap we sometimes fall into of just, you're not asking for advice, but I feel like an older man in this room, so I'll give you some unsolicited advice anyway.

00:24:33.000 We fall into the trap of just checking these boxes and somehow think that's going to get us ahead versus actually get to the bottom of what do you want to learn and why?

00:24:41.000 It's not going to be the same as the person sitting next to you.

00:24:44.000 And the problem with the four-year college degree model is it assumes a one-size-fits-all solution to everybody.

00:24:50.000 So whatever the alternative is, I don't want a one size fits all for that either.

00:24:53.000 Just ask yourself what you want to do.

00:24:55.000 Nobody in this country, if we're doing our jobs right, should stop you from doing it.

00:24:58.000 Pursue that with or without the path of the four-year college degree to get there.

00:25:01.000 Thank you very much.

00:25:02.000 Thank you.

00:25:03.000 Hi, I'm Kevin.

00:25:09.000 I'm an exchange student from Denmark, and I'm just here for one semester.

00:25:13.000 Love America.

00:25:14.000 Love being here.

00:25:15.000 Wish I was here longer.

00:25:17.000 So back home- You speak great English.

00:25:18.000 Thanks.

00:25:20.000 Better than many here.

00:25:23.000 Back home, a lot of you know we have really high taxes.

00:25:26.000 But a lot of people are okay with paying them because we get a lot of benefits that people like.

00:25:30.000 And one of them is university is covered by government taxes.

00:25:34.000 They're also paying for my tuition here, for example.

00:25:37.000 And they're doing it pretty cost-effectively.

00:25:39.000 Only about 3% of our combined tax pool goes to give everybody a bachelor's degree and a master's degree.

00:25:45.000 And I'm wondering what you think about that and if that's a bad idea.

00:25:52.000 And what's the highest marginal tax rate in Denmark?

00:25:55.000 Oh, we have like up to 50-something percent.

00:25:58.000 I think it might even go to the – some of the Scandinavian countries gets into the 60s is my understanding.

00:26:03.000 So let me just give you a somewhat charged and controversial response, but it's the truth.

00:26:09.000 A lot of the reason that some of these countries are able to get away with it is the United States spend, we spend about a trillion dollars on national defense.

00:26:17.000 But a lot of that national defense goes to protect the very countries that then come back and preach at us about how they're able to get away with all of this fiscal balance that the United States doesn't have because they're enjoying the protection provided by the United States of America.

00:26:33.000 So I do think that if we're to learn the lesson in this country that somehow high taxes and getting benefits for it is going to work based on the European model, it does not take into account all of the ways that a lot of those European countries are free-riding on the United States of America.

00:26:46.000 That math would be really different if those countries had to use those resources for the purposes that the U.S. is itself paying for.

00:26:53.000 Now, in the US, we got a separate problem going on, which we ought to learn from Europe on this.

00:26:58.000 Starting in the 60s, we were at an event earlier today, we talked about the great society in a different sense.

00:27:03.000 We traded off our sovereignty for stuff, okay?

00:27:07.000 Back in the 1960s, you get Medicaid, you get welfare, whatever, but you traded off your sovereignty in the process, not just in the form of high tax rates, but a regulatory state that impeded how we do business as a country, how we conduct ourselves.

00:27:19.000 And what's about to happen in the generation you all are growing up to, unless we change something big, Is that you traded off your sovereignty, but pretty soon we're going to run out of stuff, too.

00:27:29.000 We've got a $35 trillion national debt and growing.

00:27:32.000 And that's when the country's done.

00:27:33.000 Because if you've traded off your sovereignty, but you no longer get the stuff that you were promised, that's the stuff of revolt.

00:27:39.000 So I think that's the time horizon we're working with.

00:27:41.000 I think it's another 10 years or so that we have that country left.

00:27:45.000 And I don't think going the direction of Scandinavia or Western Europe works.

00:27:49.000 Because while they're able to free ride on the United States, we don't have somebody else to free ride on ourselves.

00:27:54.000 We're going to have to figure it out ourselves by actually tackling our own national debt problem with productivity increases rather than doing it by just increasing the serial tax rates that we're charging and soaking the rich with.

00:28:05.000 Yeah, and the last thing I'd ask you, is there clamoring domestically in your home country about immigration lately?

00:28:12.000 Are you asking whether, could you just say that again?

00:28:15.000 Yeah, sure.

00:28:16.000 In your home country, are there people starting to protest or ask questions about immigration?

00:28:20.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:21.000 Yeah.

00:28:21.000 So that's the problem with the Scandinavian model.

00:28:23.000 It's largely been based on very low rates of immigration.

00:28:27.000 Recently, in the last decade, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, the four Scandinavian countries, And also the Netherlands, which is not a Scandinavian country, has decided to boost immigration, specifically from the Middle East.

00:28:36.000 And that throws off the numbers a lot.

00:28:39.000 Is that homogeneity in those four countries have largely allowed a neighborly type socialism to occur, which I think you would agree with.

00:28:47.000 And now those balances are being thrown off.

00:28:50.000 And I want to be very clear.

00:28:52.000 Denmark to a lesser extent, but I could speak to Norway.

00:28:54.000 Norway is largely made possible thanks to oil and natural gas.

00:28:58.000 It has the world's largest sovereign wealth fund in the world, actually, larger than Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar.

00:29:04.000 And so it's important to remember, not Denmark.

00:29:06.000 I don't know, actually.

00:29:08.000 Maybe you could correct me if I'm wrong.

00:29:09.000 I don't know Denmark that well.

00:29:10.000 I know Norway very well, which is that Norway specifically is funded because of its oil and natural gas assets and putting it into a sovereign wealth fund.

00:29:18.000 So thank you very much.

00:29:19.000 Okay.

00:29:20.000 Thanks.

00:29:25.000 So, a couple of months ago, Thomas Massey went on Tucker Carlson, revealing how every Republican congressman has their own AIPAC person, pushing them to vote in favor of foreign aid to Israel.

00:29:39.000 And this year, APEC spent over $400,000 trying to oust Massey from Congress, and in total, APEC has used over $100 million, ousting both Republicans and Democrats deemed insufficiently pro-Israel.

00:29:57.000 So, to get to my question, why is Thomas Massey the only Republican willing to criticize this foreign lobby?

00:30:06.000 Or any other pro-racial donors, such as Miriam Adelson giving 100 million to the Trump campaign?

00:30:14.000 Why are both of you unwilling to ever criticize AIPAC or even address it or acknowledge it?

00:30:21.000 Aren't they, like, literally, fundamentally undermining American sovereignty?

00:30:27.000 Well, first of all, I love Thomas Massey, and I have him speak at our events.

00:30:29.000 I mean, Thomas has become a great friend, and somebody supports him, I'm never going to speak against that.

00:30:35.000 So what do you think about what he said, Tucker Carlson?

00:30:39.000 That every Republican congressman has their own AIPAC person.

00:30:43.000 Why aren't you talking about this?

00:30:45.000 Well, again, we have a lot of things to talk about.

00:30:48.000 But yes, I mean, I am pro-Israel.

00:30:49.000 I'm guessing you're not, yeah.

00:30:52.000 Okay, yeah, so there you go.

00:30:52.000 Not really, no.

00:30:53.000 I mean, that would be why you're against it.

00:30:55.000 But yes, I think that America— I'm against the Israel lobby control.

00:30:58.000 Like, $100 million APEC has used, in total, ousting both Republicans and Democrats.

00:31:05.000 I understand the situation.

00:31:06.000 You have to address the question.

00:31:08.000 I was just kind of figuring out where you're coming from.

00:31:10.000 What do you want me to denounce?

00:31:11.000 Americans getting involved in the electoral process, exactly?

00:31:13.000 I want you to, like, condemn AIPAC for, like, literally ousting insufficiently pro-Israel politicians.

00:31:19.000 What is there to condemn, though, exactly?

00:31:20.000 They're undermining American sovereignty.

00:31:23.000 Like, it's a foreign lobby.

00:31:24.000 But these are American citizens, aren't they?

00:31:27.000 No?

00:31:28.000 It's a...

00:31:28.000 Well, the whole lobby...

00:31:29.000 Hold on.

00:31:30.000 The whole lobby...

00:31:31.000 American Israeli Political Action Committee legally can only accept money from American citizens.

00:31:37.000 So what you're saying is that these are Jewish people...

00:31:40.000 You want to fill in the blank for me?

00:31:42.000 Well, Maryam Adelson is Jewish.

00:31:44.000 I know, but she's an American citizen. 0.96

00:31:46.000 So what's wrong with Americans getting involved in the democratic process?

00:31:49.000 Is AIPAC and other pro-Israeli, are they undermining American sovereignty?

00:31:53.000 Well, no, let me ask you a question.

00:31:54.000 Hold on a second.

00:31:55.000 Is the American Armenian Association lobby in D.C. undermining American sovereignty?

00:32:01.000 Could you repeat that?

00:32:02.000 Is the American Armenian Association, which he represented against Azerbaijani incursion, are they undermining American sovereignty?

00:32:11.000 Are Armenian lobbies paying hundreds of millions of dollars?

00:32:14.000 Actually, there's a lobbying fight right now in DC over Azerbaijan and Armenia.

00:32:18.000 For example, are Taiwanese Americans that advocate that China does not incur against them, are they undermining American sovereignty?

00:32:25.000 Hold on a second.

00:32:26.000 Are Ukrainian Americans That are lobbying for money so that they can repel Vladimir Putin.

00:32:31.000 Are they undermining American sovereignty?

00:32:33.000 Can you answer those questions or is it only the Jews that are undermining American sovereignty? 0.75

00:32:38.000 Can you give one specific example of an Ukrainian lobby in America?

00:32:42.000 I'm sorry, what?

00:32:43.000 Give one example of an Ukrainian lobby.

00:32:45.000 I can't understand.

00:32:46.000 He's asking, give one example of a Ukrainian lobby.

00:32:48.000 A lot.

00:32:49.000 I mean, Ukrainian oligarchs hire American lobbyists all the time.

00:32:52.000 So do Americans.

00:32:53.000 So the point is this.

00:32:54.000 The point is that the standard that you are setting for Israel, which albeit is a very principled stand, you should apply it to every other foreign country and the immigrants thereof that have come to this country that lobby Washington DC for countries they care about.

00:33:07.000 Right.

00:33:08.000 And yet Israel gets all the attention.

00:33:10.000 And so half the world's Jewry with a country the size of New Jersey in the Middle East that has democratic elections, individual rights, and is the most like America in the Middle East seems to be the obsession of the American media and the American college campuses. 0.94

00:33:23.000 You have to wonder why.

00:33:25.000 Because, like, we're being dragged into a war with Iran.

00:33:28.000 Like, obviously.

00:33:31.000 But now you're changing the topic, though.

00:33:33.000 You've got to help me understand why is it, and I'm not picking on you, but it's like AIPAC gets all this attention, fine, but there are hundreds of other individual lobbying groups where Americans that came from other countries are lobbying for D.C. to do specific action for or against a country they care about.

00:33:50.000 There is nothing wrong with that.

00:33:51.000 There's nothing wrong with a Cuban that comes to America that then goes to D.C., And advocates for sanctions on Cuba. 0.99

00:33:59.000 So I would just say, let's say we had just started this with a different premise.

00:34:06.000 In general, let's say you walk up to the mic and you say that, I don't think that I want special interests funded by money to have more of a say in the United States of America than the voice of every citizen.

00:34:16.000 I think that that is a coherent, respectable, and understandable point of view.

00:34:20.000 I think you came up and further said that I don't want foreign countries and That's for the reasons Charlie explained us on AIPAC, but foreign countries which are also lobbying the United States as registered and often unregistered agents impacting our foreign policy decisions based on how they're propping up politicians as their puppets.

00:34:37.000 Is that something that both Republicans and Democrats for a lot of foreign influences and a lot of domestic influences of special interests have been guilty of for a really long time?

00:34:45.000 Yes, is the answer to that question.

00:34:47.000 So I think that that's a perfectly legitimate beef with the way that our bastardized form of American democracy has worked for a very long time.

00:34:56.000 But I do think that Charlie makes a really valid point where anybody who ever usually brings up this issue usually picks their pet cause that they're against to hang that at the stake rather than to actually approach the issue even-handedly across the board.

00:35:11.000 And I think if you're willing to do that, that could be a far more constructive conversation.

00:35:14.000 That's where I'm at on the issue.

00:35:15.000 Yeah, and just one other question.

00:35:16.000 Do you believe that Israel has a right to exist in its current form? 0.97

00:35:19.000 Sure.

00:35:20.000 Okay, we agree.

00:35:21.000 Thank you very much.

00:35:22.000 Hey, it's great to see you guys both here.

00:35:31.000 It's awesome to be here.

00:35:32.000 I'd like to start off with first, I'm like a registered Republican and plan to vote so in the national election, but you're here in North Carolina and we have a pretty heated governorial election.

00:35:42.000 And correct me if I'm wrong, that You've endorsed Mark Robinson as a Republican candidate, and I'm sure that everybody here in this room has seen the commercials regarding Mark Robinson and whatnot.

00:35:53.000 So in the governorial race, it's getting pretty difficult to vote for Mark Robinson, and I guess I would like to just see what you think about that.

00:36:00.000 Yeah, so I'm aware of some of the accusations, some of which are more interesting than others.

00:36:05.000 You've got to educate me on these ads, so...

00:36:09.000 Okay, yeah.

00:36:09.000 I don't live here.

00:36:10.000 Yeah, so I live in Arizona.

00:36:11.000 So if you want to know about Carrie Lake ads, I can tell you all about them. 0.88

00:36:13.000 Yeah, so there's been a few of just him on, well, porn sites talking about how he's a black Nazi and he's like made these claims. 0.93

00:36:22.000 And he's also talked about girls and abortion and like how he said that they should keep their skirts down and legs closed. 0.80

00:36:30.000 And I don't know, I just find that pretty alarming just to hear that from somebody that is like standing on the main stage and looking for votes.

00:36:36.000 And I heard that recently Trump actually, who was once talking about him and was supporting him, has recently retracted his statements and said that he doesn't really know who he is.

00:36:46.000 So I don't know.

00:36:47.000 I guess I'd like to just know where your stance is.

00:36:49.000 I don't know that much about it.

00:36:50.000 I will say that, I mean, there's some of the accusations there that are not that interesting to me.

00:36:56.000 Some of them obviously are.

00:36:58.000 So I'd have to look at it closer.

00:36:59.000 I don't love yours, so I don't know that much about it.

00:37:00.000 But based on any public polling, I don't think he's got much of a shot right now.

00:37:04.000 Yeah, I would agree.

00:37:06.000 Okay, well, thank you.

00:37:07.000 Thanks.

00:37:08.000 Female Speaker: Hello.

00:37:16.000 If you don't mind, could I direct this question to Mr.

00:37:19.000 Ramaswamy? 0.88

00:37:20.000 Sounds great.

00:37:21.000 Thank you.

00:37:22.000 Welcome to UNC. So, I have a genuine question for you.

00:37:26.000 You were quoted saying that people who come to this country as family members are not the meritocratic citizens who should be accepted.

00:37:33.000 I believe you achieve citizenship through your parental ties.

00:37:38.000 Why would you have got the H-1B visa, which 70% of is given to Indian people?

00:37:44.000 I also believe that your company hired employees on this visa.

00:37:47.000 So why are you turning your back on the Indian community, man?

00:37:51.000 So I got two answers for you.

00:37:52.000 Thank you for the question.

00:37:53.000 First of all, a lot of the people who have come here through the H-1B system would tell you, as I would, that it is just a broken system no matter who you're seeking to serve.

00:38:02.000 For example, you want to talk about special interests and lobbying?

00:38:04.000 This is direct Silicon Valley lobbying that said that if you get your H-1B visa and you're hired by one company, you're effectively like a slave.

00:38:11.000 You can't switch to a different company.

00:38:13.000 That's not a free labor market. 0.98

00:38:14.000 So there's so much that's broken and bureaucratized.

00:38:17.000 Here's the next question about the H-1B visa system.

00:38:19.000 Why the heck do we do it on the basis of a lottery when you could actually just select the very best people?

00:38:24.000 So there's a lot that's broken about the administrative state, the bureaucracy.

00:38:28.000 My general approach is when something's broken in government, you can't really fix it when it's lasted that long.

00:38:34.000 You need to shut it down, start with a blank slate, and rebuild from scratch.

00:38:38.000 And that's just a stylistic point that I've applied to this issue as to any other.

00:38:42.000 Let me say a word about immigration policy more generally, though.

00:38:45.000 You could imagine an immigration system that selects for the smartest people to come to the U.S. You could imagine an immigration system that selects for the ones who are going to work the hardest.

00:38:54.000 You could imagine an immigration system that selects for those who love the United States or know the most about the United States or speak the best English.

00:39:01.000 You could imagine any of those and we could have a debate which of those is the right immigration system to have.

00:39:06.000 Turns out none of those is the quality that our current immigration system rewards.

00:39:12.000 If I were to ask you, it would be a hard one for you to guess, but I'll give you a chance.

00:39:16.000 What do you believe is the number one human attribute that our current immigration system actually selects for?

00:39:24.000 This guy next to me just said nationality, but I also just wanted to say really quick...

00:39:28.000 So I'll give you the answer to the question.

00:39:29.000 I wrote a book about this.

00:39:31.000 It just came out last month.

00:39:32.000 The number one attribute that our current U.S. immigration selects for is your willingness to lie.

00:39:39.000 To the U.S. government.

00:39:40.000 Because if you're somebody coming from another country and you say that I can't seek asylum or say I'm seeking asylum because I'm not facing a bodily threat based on my own race or religion, the qualities required for actual seeking asylum.

00:39:54.000 Then you don't get in the country.

00:39:56.000 But if you show up at the southern border and check that box as you're instructed to by the cartels, whether or not you're actually facing that level of persecution, you do get into the country.

00:40:06.000 So even drawn out of a hat and picking at random is still better than the system that we have right now.

00:40:12.000 So my view on immigration policy is this.

00:40:14.000 Make it real simple for you guys.

00:40:15.000 Think about your nation like your body.

00:40:17.000 Okay?

00:40:18.000 No migration without consent.

00:40:21.000 Consent should only be granted to migrants who benefit America and those who enter without consent must be removed and must be punished. 1.00

00:40:31.000 And I think that those are three fair principles around which to redesign an immigration system.

00:40:36.000 And number two is important.

00:40:37.000 If there are immigrants who are going to benefit America, I'm obviously partial to that as the kid of legal immigrants to this country. 0.98

00:40:45.000 If there are immigrants who are going to benefit the United States of America, that should be the standard that we actually use. 0.97

00:40:52.000 It just turns out that's not actually the standard we're using today.

00:40:55.000 So that's where I land on it.

00:40:56.000 Thank you for the question.

00:40:58.000 Do you have a quick follow-up?

00:41:01.000 Hey, both of y'all.

00:41:04.000 Good to see you.

00:41:06.000 Thanks for coming down to talk to students.

00:41:09.000 Quick question for Vivek, if that's okay.

00:41:12.000 Could you really quickly just name me the two longest rivers in the United States?

00:41:17.000 We've got the Mississippi River, number one.

00:41:19.000 Number two?

00:41:20.000 Missouri.

00:41:21.000 Well, you can think Missouri.

00:41:22.000 I mean, the Rio Grande is not technically in the borders of the United States.

00:41:24.000 Am I right?

00:41:24.000 Mississippi and Missouri.

00:41:26.000 Yes, it would be Mississippi and Missouri.

00:41:28.000 And thank you, Vivek, for answering the question.

00:41:32.000 So the reason why I bring that up is...

00:41:35.000 I love trivia.

00:41:37.000 The Rio Grande borders us, so you've got to debate there.

00:41:39.000 But...

00:41:40.000 I hope that was a productive use of our exchange.

00:41:44.000 What is the purpose?

00:41:46.000 I have a question.

00:41:47.000 Obviously, while we were running for president, you supported a civics test for 18 to 24-year-olds.

00:41:54.000 The current version of that test, in the citizenship test, asks geography questions.

00:42:00.000 So I'm a full-time student.

00:42:01.000 I really don't have time to study for more exams to earn my right to vote.

00:42:06.000 So I wanted to ask you, why do you believe that we should be able to answer these silly questions to access our constitutional rights?

00:42:14.000 So the last question was about immigration directed at me, and it directly relates to this one.

00:42:20.000 So it turns out that every legal immigrant to this country who becomes a citizen, before they cast a vote, they could have paid millions of dollars in taxes.

00:42:28.000 They could have made all kinds of contributions to this country, started businesses that employed hundreds or thousands of people.

00:42:35.000 But they don't get to vote in this country and they don't get full citizenship until they do two things.

00:42:41.000 One is show that they know some basic facts about the United States of America and how our government works.

00:42:47.000 And number two is swear an oath of loyalty to the United States of America.

00:42:51.000 Those are two conditions required of any legal immigrant who becomes a citizen.

00:42:56.000 Now, maybe you disagree with that.

00:42:57.000 But my view is if we're going to require that of legal immigrants to this country, as we do, And I think it makes sense for every high school senior who graduates from high school to be able to pass the same civics test required of every legal immigrant to this country, and yes, to swear an oath of allegiance to the United States of America, because we've got a problem in this country. 0.97

00:43:18.000 We got a crisis of national pride right now.

00:43:20.000 Less than 16% of Gen Z. All right?

00:43:24.000 Less than one out of five of your generation in this room says they're even proud to be an American.

00:43:28.000 We got a 25% recruitment deficit in our own U.S. military.

00:43:32.000 So if I ran as U.S. president as I did to lead this country...

00:43:36.000 I refuse to just sit idly by.

00:43:38.000 Thank you, man.

00:43:38.000 Refuse to sit idly by and just watch that happen.

00:43:42.000 Our nation go into this decay of civic self-confidence and say, we're actually going to step up and do something about it.

00:43:48.000 And the least we could do is to demand some skin in the game that we know the basics about our country before somebody graduates from high school.

00:43:56.000 That's where I'm at on that.

00:43:57.000 And at least at the level of requiring a civics test for every person who graduates from high school, that is something legitimate for every governor to require in their state.

00:44:04.000 And I stand by the policy.

00:44:05.000 Thank you, my man.

00:44:06.000 I appreciate it.

00:44:07.000 I just have a quick question then.

00:44:08.000 So why stop at 24?

00:44:10.000 Why not that be the case with every citizen in the United States?

00:44:13.000 So I would do it for everybody.

00:44:15.000 So as a pragmatic matter, I would do it for everybody.

00:44:17.000 I think it should be required for everybody for a condition for full citizenship.

00:44:21.000 Difficulty comes with some practical implementation, but I'm with you on the principle there.

00:44:25.000 The practical implementation is when somebody's been voting for 40 years and then you say, I'm going to take away from something from you that you've already done.

00:44:31.000 That makes it a lot more difficult to implement than to say somebody's already in school.

00:44:36.000 So we can implement civic education into high school, make it easier for actual our high school young people in this country to know more about our country by replacing DEI indoctrination with actual civic education, which we're not doing in this country.

00:44:49.000 But while people are in school, you have a chance to start with a fresh slate that you probably can't do with somebody who's already 62 years old.

00:44:56.000 So as a practical implementation, at least I would start with that.

00:44:58.000 But if I could have it my way, would we do it for everybody?

00:45:00.000 You're darn right we would.

00:45:01.000 Thank you.

00:45:05.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:46:07.000 Hi, Mr.

00:46:08.000 Romaswamy.

00:46:08.000 Hi, Mr.

00:46:09.000 Kirk.

00:46:09.000 On behalf of everybody, thank you for visiting our campus.

00:46:12.000 I've appreciated your work for a long time.

00:46:15.000 Thank you, man.

00:46:16.000 So, as a proud American college student and a child of South Korean immigrants, I'm particularly invested in our country's immigration policy.

00:46:24.000 So one of the reasons that I've decided not to vote for Trump this year is because he had said verbatim, quote, what I want to do and what I will do is if you graduate from a college, I think you should get automatically as part of your diploma a green card to be able to stay in this country.

00:46:40.000 And that includes junior colleges too.

00:46:42.000 This is not an offhand remark.

00:46:44.000 He's doubled down on this policy repeatedly at his rallies, in interviews, and on Truth Social in June, August, and again three weeks ago.

00:46:51.000 He's basically saying that green cards, which is permanent residency, should be automatic for all college graduates with no vetting and given even for two-year degrees, so not just for highly skilled workers.

00:47:01.000 That's a radically open immigration policy.

00:47:04.000 This is often justified by saying that we need the best and brightest from the world, but it effectively decreases wages for American workers and massively increases competition for jobs and housing.

00:47:14.000 Basically, he's promising as many green cards as colleges will accept foreign students, while F1 OPT workers don't even pay Social Security or Medicare taxes on their wages. 0.74

00:47:24.000 And this cheaper immigrant labor only serves the Wall Street and Silicon Valley billionaires that are funding Trump's campaign this year, and the universities that are happy to accept tuition from rich foreigners, not American students that take out hefty loans for college and then cannot find a STEM job. 0.67

00:47:39.000 There's already over one million foreign students in America, and there will be many more under Trump.

00:47:44.000 I don't want us to become like Australia, where three to four percent of their entire population is students mostly from China or India.

00:47:50.000 Mr.

00:47:51.000 Kirk, I know that your stance on this topic has changed in the past.

00:47:56.000 I've heard you shine light on your platform about over 20 million Americans, college students, set to enter the worst job market in American history.

00:48:03.000 I've heard you mention correctly that over 15% of our nation is now foreign-born.

00:48:08.000 I've heard you call for a temporary stop to all visas.

00:48:11.000 So how do you reconcile your perspective with Trump's policies?

00:48:14.000 In short, why should we expect mass immigration to go down under Trump?

00:48:18.000 Because frankly, I have no reason to expect it.

00:48:20.000 That was an interesting speech.

00:48:21.000 Thank you.

00:48:22.000 So, first of all, that's not Trump's current position.

00:48:27.000 He has clarified that, just so we're clear.

00:48:29.000 So, he has clarified that that is not his current position.

00:48:31.000 It would be merit-based, and not every single graduate would get a green card.

00:48:35.000 But I would just be imagining...

00:48:37.000 Plenty of times.

00:48:37.000 Many times in the past couple months.

00:48:39.000 I encourage you to look at it.

00:48:40.000 But I do have a question.

00:48:41.000 You say you're not voting for Trump.

00:48:43.000 So you're not voting for Kamala.

00:48:44.000 There's no way, right?

00:48:45.000 I'm not voting this year.

00:48:47.000 So that's interesting.

00:48:48.000 You say you don't want America to become like Australia.

00:48:51.000 If a lot of people don't vote, therefore Kamala wins. 1.00

00:48:54.000 Don't you think that would make us closer to Australia?

00:48:57.000 No, not necessarily.

00:48:58.000 I haven't heard Kamala espouse this green card staple to deploy this policy.

00:49:01.000 Oh no, it's complete open borders.

00:49:03.000 Well, on the open borders topic, well, that's actually really interesting that you bring that up because Trump himself didn't affirm this policy in 2016.

00:49:11.000 Wait, hold on, hold on.

00:49:12.000 I just want to be clear.

00:49:12.000 You think Kamala Harris and Donald Trump are in the same galaxy on immigration?

00:49:17.000 I like Trump's rhetoric on immigration much more.

00:49:19.000 I do.

00:49:20.000 But I don't think...

00:49:21.000 But when he was president, hold on, we had the lowest ever border crossings.

00:49:24.000 We had a moratorium on immigration from like 30 different countries.

00:49:28.000 We had wages go up for native-born Americans.

00:49:30.000 I mean, the numbers are themselves.

00:49:32.000 We did have record high illegal immigration crossings.

00:49:35.000 Well, actually, no, we didn't.

00:49:36.000 It went down the record low, and right now we have record high illegal immigration crossings under Biden and Harris.

00:49:41.000 That's true.

00:49:42.000 So yeah, I just want to be clear, though.

00:49:44.000 But you just said it wasn't true, like 10 seconds in.

00:49:46.000 No, no, no.

00:49:46.000 It's true that it was a record at the time, but it's now a new record.

00:49:50.000 Okay, but I just want to be very clear, though.

00:49:53.000 This is more directed at you because you had a nice little soliloquy there.

00:49:58.000 It's just this.

00:49:59.000 You staying at home will hand the keys to the kingdom to someone that will destroy this country.

00:50:05.000 And so if you actually had the objections and that wasn't some prepared speech that someone gave you, you'd be crawling over grass, grass or glass or both, to go vote for Trump because he's someone that is a much better fit for your worldview.

00:50:17.000 See, Donald Trump not only is better at immigration, but I'm sure that you're better fit with him for many other issues.

00:50:23.000 But not voting at all, that all it does is makes you feel good while your country burns.

00:50:27.000 The country that your parents immigrated to, to try to make sure that you had a future.

00:50:31.000 It does no good, except it makes some point here at an event.

00:50:38.000 I appreciate that remark.

00:50:40.000 And I do like his rhetoric on immigration more, but legal immigrations, the 85,000 H1C visas were capped out every year of Trump's first presidency.

00:50:50.000 Legal immigration, mass legal immigration stayed at an all-time high.

00:50:54.000 That's fine.

00:50:54.000 I have a question.

00:50:54.000 Do you think the Trump presidency or the Biden-Harris presidency, which one was better for America?

00:50:59.000 Generally, all issues.

00:51:01.000 The first Trump term was better.

00:51:02.000 So then why wouldn't the second Trump term be better than a Kamala term?

00:51:05.000 Because he's changed his tune on a lot of policies and accepted a lot of funding that I don't think is sketchy.

00:51:14.000 First of all, it's not true, but shouldn't you say, okay...

00:51:16.000 Well, in 2016, he was against H-1B. Everything in life is a lesser of two evils. 0.93

00:51:20.000 You're not voting for a perfect candidate.

00:51:21.000 Right now, you have a binary choice.

00:51:23.000 You have Donald Trump, who was an excellent president.

00:51:25.000 You have Jezebel, who's been a terrible vice president.

00:51:29.000 Obviously, one is going to be better than the other.

00:51:31.000 One will secure the border, prevent World War III. You'll have a better home.

00:51:34.000 You want to be able to...

00:51:35.000 You want to own a home, right?

00:51:36.000 You want to be able to have wages go up, obviously.

00:51:38.000 Or you could just give the keys to the king, the Kamala Harris, be a rent for the rest of your life.

00:51:42.000 Think about it.

00:51:43.000 My last remark is, my concern is that a Trump presidency would quell the dissidence and the dissatisfaction that's been found in the last four years while not fixing our problems simultaneously.

00:51:53.000 I'll just give you one final case on that.

00:51:55.000 If we have a country, if Kamala wins.

00:51:57.000 I think just to pick up on that last point, you could just change the whole topic to the last point you made.

00:52:04.000 Under whose presidency are you more likely to actually even be able to be a dissident?

00:52:09.000 On one hand, you have a regime that's been in charge that says we're going to censor you on social media.

00:52:14.000 You say the wrong thing about where the pandemic began.

00:52:15.000 You say the wrong thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story.

00:52:18.000 You put an American flag on your profile.

00:52:20.000 You're often targeted for further scrutiny.

00:52:22.000 That's not America.

00:52:23.000 So if your top concern is your ability to be an effective dissident from the right, from the left, or whatever, I think this election...

00:52:30.000 Clearly it's about censorship on one side versus free speech on the other.

00:52:33.000 And the fact of the matter is, I think your view that you just expressed here might be pretty high on the Kamala Harris administration list of views that need to actually be silenced by the time she's in charge.

00:52:43.000 So forget about the actual policy.

00:52:44.000 Even your ability to express it is what I think is on the ballot this time around.

00:52:48.000 And I encourage you to think about it that way.

00:52:49.000 Thank you both.

00:52:50.000 I really appreciate it.

00:52:51.000 Thank you.

00:52:52.000 So it's very nice to meet you both today.

00:52:59.000 Is that a Lamar Jackson jersey?

00:53:01.000 Yeah, it is.

00:53:03.000 Yeah, so it's very nice to meet you guys today.

00:53:06.000 Mr.

00:53:07.000 Kirk, I have a question for you regarding past things you said about abortion. 0.67

00:53:12.000 So in a previous conversation you had, you said that if you're in a hypothetical situation, If your 10-year-old daughter was raped...

00:53:21.000 I've only answered this question three times today.

00:53:24.000 I'll tell you exactly what I said. 0.96

00:53:25.000 Yes, my family, if my daughter were to be raped, we would not be comfortable if my daughter would have a pregnancy without complications, murdering an unborn child. 0.96

00:53:35.000 That is the values of our family, correct? 0.98

00:53:37.000 So I have a question for you.

00:53:38.000 Somebody in this audience was conceived in rape.

00:53:40.000 Can you tell me who?

00:53:42.000 How am I supposed to know that?

00:53:43.000 Exactly.

00:53:43.000 Because human rights apply to all humans regardless of how they're conceived.

00:53:47.000 Secondly, secondly, secondly, I have an ultrasound in front of me.

00:53:53.000 One is a baby conceived in rape. 0.51

00:53:54.000 One is a baby conceived in a loving relationship. 0.68

00:53:56.000 Which one is which?

00:53:57.000 Repeat that again.

00:53:58.000 Sorry, I couldn't hear you.

00:53:59.000 There's two ultrasounds. 0.79

00:54:00.000 On one screen is a baby that was conceived in rape.

00:54:02.000 The other ultrasound is a baby conceived in a loving monogamous relationship.

00:54:06.000 Which one is which?

00:54:07.000 Well, it depends when we're looking at the ultrasound, because I would note it as a fetus rather than a baby.

00:54:11.000 So...

00:54:12.000 Well, hold on, no, no, no, no, no.

00:54:13.000 But you can't tell the difference between the two.

00:54:14.000 The point being is that universal human rights apply to all people regardless of the method of conception, correct?

00:54:20.000 Now, of course, we acknowledge that rape is terrible and awful, but when in life is doing something evil after an evil act, permissible, acceptable, or okay?

00:54:28.000 So, it's not evil because it's not murder, first of all.

00:54:30.000 Okay, no, that's fine.

00:54:31.000 That's where we disagree.

00:54:32.000 So you asked my personal position.

00:54:33.000 It's very clear that abortion is murder.

00:54:35.000 We could discuss that and debate it.

00:54:36.000 But my position is not unreasonable if you were to believe that killing an unborn baby is murder, which I do, and our family does.

00:54:44.000 And that's the position of our family.

00:54:46.000 Now, I would ask you, since it is not a fetus, what species is the fetus?

00:54:52.000 It is a homo sapien species.

00:54:53.000 So it's a human.

00:54:53.000 Got it.

00:54:54.000 So therefore, shouldn't it get human rights if it's a human?

00:54:58.000 Well, I think human rights apply to personhood.

00:55:01.000 Got it.

00:55:02.000 So when does it become a human worthy of rights?

00:55:03.000 Tell me the moment, the time, and the second.

00:55:05.000 I would say at about 16 to 18 weeks.

00:55:07.000 Oh, that's a range.

00:55:08.000 You've got to be more specific.

00:55:09.000 Because human rights are pretty important.

00:55:10.000 You've got to give me like a specific time.

00:55:11.000 Okay.

00:55:11.000 I would say just 18 weeks of gestation.

00:55:13.000 Why there?

00:55:14.000 Why not 10 weeks?

00:55:15.000 Because that's one complex brainwave that...

00:55:17.000 Brain wave activity forms.

00:55:18.000 Actually, brain waves start at eight weeks, but let me be very clear.

00:55:22.000 Why is it that brain activity is equal to moral worth?

00:55:24.000 When someone is quote-unquote brain dead, which we don't even understand where consciousness resides, we know so little about the brain that neuroscientists can't even tell you where your own thoughts occur in the brain, that when someone is quote-unquote brain dead, do you know that women still have periods when they're brain dead?

00:55:37.000 Do you know that when you cut someone who is quote-unquote brain dead, their adrenaline was spiked?

00:55:41.000 Do you know that when someone is quote-unquote brain dead and a loved one comes in, their heart rate increases?

00:55:44.000 So someone that is brain dead is still very much alive.

00:55:47.000 In fact, we have hundreds of documented examples of people that were called brain dead by hospitals and doctors that quote-unquote come back to full brain activity.

00:55:55.000 And the difference is when you have a baby that is unborn, has brainwaves at eight weeks, uninterrupted and absent intervention, those brainwaves will develop into a complete and fully developed human being as you and I are.

00:56:06.000 So it's not the same thing, but why is brainwaves moral worth?

00:56:10.000 Well, I describe moral worth as, like, relation to consciousness.

00:56:14.000 And consciousness begins at about 20-ish weeks.

00:56:17.000 That's when it first appears because that's when complex brainwave activity starts.

00:56:22.000 You say at eight weeks that brainwave activity occurs, which is true.

00:56:26.000 That is true.

00:56:27.000 But I'm speaking more just mainly...

00:56:29.000 Sorry.

00:56:30.000 Yeah, so we just have a disagreement here.

00:56:31.000 And let me just...

00:56:32.000 Let me intervene.

00:56:33.000 I'm not 100% sure we're going to leave with a disagreement.

00:56:36.000 Let's test this out.

00:56:37.000 So I'll give you a true case.

00:56:39.000 Alright, it's a real case.

00:56:40.000 Clarence Thomas spoke about it from the bench and the hearing of the Dobbs case.

00:56:44.000 Walk through it with us.

00:56:46.000 There's a pregnant woman who's walking down the street.

00:56:48.000 She's assaulted.

00:56:50.000 Physically.

00:56:52.000 The unborn child dies as a result of the assault.

00:56:56.000 Do you believe that that criminal deserves some liability for that death?

00:57:03.000 That's a very good question.

00:57:06.000 I get the crowd wants to react.

00:57:08.000 So you think that guy should walk away scot-free, or do you think he deserves liability for the death of that unborn child?

00:57:13.000 I deserve he does, but that still...

00:57:16.000 So let me just pause right there.

00:57:18.000 He does deserve liability for the death of that unborn child, which suggests that you may not disagree as much as you think you do.

00:57:25.000 It's a human life, then.

00:57:26.000 If you deserve liability for it, then you'd kill the human life.

00:57:29.000 I mean, I still separate murder from abortion, so I don't agree.

00:57:34.000 Well, hold on a second.

00:57:35.000 You could keep saying that, but the only way that the abortionist argument works is if you have a moral dimension for people that are outside the womb and a different moral dimension for people inside the womb.

00:57:45.000 Those of us who are pro-life believe that morality transcends your size, location, environment, or degree dependency.

00:57:50.000 Just because you're smaller and developing within utero doesn't mean you have a different moral framework that is applied to you.

00:57:56.000 That you have universal human morality regardless of how small you are.

00:58:00.000 And we don't have to agree on that, but that's the pro-life position.

00:58:03.000 The pro-abortion position, you have to constantly be doing contortionist arguments.

00:58:06.000 Well, it's the mom's body.

00:58:07.000 Well, actually, it's two bodies because you have two sets of DNA. Well, it's in the mom.

00:58:11.000 Well, okay, do people in Cincinnati get less human rights than people in Raleigh?

00:58:14.000 Of course not.

00:58:15.000 Oh, well, it's really small.

00:58:16.000 I'm 6'5".

00:58:17.000 Someone smaller than me gets less human rights?

00:58:18.000 No, of course not.

00:58:19.000 The moral standards that the abortionists will use on any of their arguments are carve-outs and exceptions because It's really hard to confront the truth of abortion, which is the murder and the slaughter of unborn children that did nothing wrong except want a place in this world.

00:58:33.000 I mean, your argument is...

00:58:35.000 I don't disagree completely with your argument because I know it comes from religion as well.

00:58:44.000 I know that you have...

00:58:46.000 And also common sense and biology.

00:58:47.000 Let me ask two more clarifying questions.

00:58:49.000 We might have agreement.

00:58:50.000 Currently in America, this is legal.

00:58:53.000 And in Iceland, it is not just legal, it's the law.

00:58:56.000 If a woman finds out that she has a baby with Down syndrome, should she be allowed to abort that baby based on that information? 0.97

00:59:03.000 No.

00:59:04.000 Okay, we agree.

00:59:05.000 That's a pro-life argument, by the way.

00:59:07.000 Secondly, if a woman finds out she's having a girl and the couple wants a boy, should you be able to have sex-selective abortion?

00:59:15.000 No.

00:59:16.000 Okay, we agree, and that's a big deal, because both of those things right now are where this entire conversation is heading.

00:59:22.000 And that's important, because right now abortion is being considered birth control, when it used to be safe, legal, and rare, and now it's abundant, and public, and taxpayer-subsidized.

00:59:32.000 So we're actually not that far off on this topic.

00:59:34.000 And let me just ask you one question.

00:59:35.000 It's more of a university educational matter about history here.

00:59:39.000 How familiar are you with the founding of Planned Parenthood as an organization?

00:59:43.000 Do you know much about its history or its purpose when it was founded?

00:59:46.000 I don't know much about it.

00:59:47.000 I looked into it a while ago.

00:59:48.000 I don't remember anything off the top of my head.

00:59:50.000 And I just think it's worth understanding.

00:59:52.000 You have no reason to have to be educated on this, but Margaret Sanger was a co-founder.

00:59:58.000 Planned Parenthood.

00:59:58.000 And this is relevant because Kamala Harris is now on one hand courting the black community, talking about reproductive rights, when the whole project was actually started to stop the reproduction of African Americans in the United States of America.

01:00:12.000 That's the ugly, sordid history of how the pro-abortion agenda expanded politically in the U.S. And so I just think it's also worth tracing.

01:00:21.000 I know that's not directly responsive to the really scientifically, you know, grounded attempt at the exchange you all had, but I do think that it is worth keeping in mind the political backdrop.

01:00:31.000 It does irk me a little bit when I see a presidential candidate talk about reproductive rights, say I care about the future of the black community, and I also think that those two things have been deeply intentional to one another because the whole project was about preventing the depopulation of certain kinds of people in America. 0.87

01:00:45.000 And sadly, that's exactly the effect that it's also had.

01:00:49.000 Pertaining to also the fertility crisis, that was the subject of an earlier question, too.

01:00:52.000 So we've got to look at these things as a whole.

01:00:54.000 And I would just encourage you to look at, you know, these logical puzzles around philosophical dilemmas can get you so far.

01:01:00.000 But sometimes when you see through the historical context, you see things a little bit differently on the other side of it, too.

01:01:05.000 Thank you for the question.

01:01:06.000 Thank you.

01:01:15.000 Thank you guys for coming.

01:01:16.000 I wanted to ask you guys about climate change today.

01:01:20.000 So in my opinion, it is the most important issue of our time.

01:01:24.000 And I'll start by saying that research shows that America, or I mean, not Earth, does not have long, but that would be America too.

01:01:32.000 A recent study by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found that we only have about a decade to turn things around before we go over...

01:01:40.000 I know, they said that 30 years ago.

01:01:43.000 A critical threshold.

01:01:44.000 This is what scientists are saying.

01:01:47.000 They've never been wrong.

01:01:48.000 Just wear the mask in the shower, right?

01:01:51.000 Trump says, drill baby drill.

01:01:54.000 Harris supported the Green New Deal and helped pass the Inflation Reduction Act.

01:01:59.000 Why is Trump's opinion better on this issue?

01:02:03.000 So I'll tell you why.

01:02:05.000 I think climate change does not rank as a top 100 issue for Americans today.

01:02:09.000 I think...

01:02:11.000 And here's why.

01:02:14.000 Here's why.

01:02:16.000 Before I get into actually just a little bit of history here, I'm in a little bit of a historical mode today.

01:02:20.000 Charlie said they've been saying that for 30 years, and that's right, that we only have another 10 years left.

01:02:24.000 Actually, it's a little longer than that, Charlie.

01:02:25.000 It goes back to the 1970s.

01:02:27.000 So if you pull up the cover of Newsweek or Time magazine, back in the day they used to have these things called magazines that were like paper copies of things they mailed to people's homes.

01:02:36.000 But, you know, I was alive when that happened.

01:02:38.000 They had these Newsweek and Time magazines they would mail to your home.

01:02:41.000 On the cover of it was warning of the effects of global climate change.

01:02:45.000 Unless we stop burning fossil fuels, we're actually going to have not global warming, but an ice age.

01:02:52.000 That's what scientists, as recently as the 1970s, were worried about.

01:02:56.000 What they realized was that actually they started tracking these global surface temperatures and they weren't really going down.

01:03:01.000 We're not on our way to that ice age.

01:03:03.000 At which point they just changed their mind and said, oh, actually the real problem isn't the global ice age.

01:03:07.000 No, no, no, it's actually the other thing because temperatures are going up a little bit.

01:03:10.000 Let's call it global warming. 0.98

01:03:12.000 Now there were a few years through 2012, about a five-year streak where temperatures came down.

01:03:18.000 They still didn't change that strand.

01:03:19.000 So now what are the actual facts we have?

01:03:21.000 I don't care about what somebody calling themselves a scientist says.

01:03:24.000 I care about what the actual facts are.

01:03:25.000 There's facts that the hottest year on record.

01:03:27.000 So I'll give you, it happens to be a study, a subject that I have studied quite deeply, and I'll give you hard facts on this without opinions.

01:03:35.000 Are global surface temperatures going up by a little bit?

01:03:38.000 Number one, yes they are.

01:03:40.000 Number two, is that directly attributable to carbon dioxide?

01:03:44.000 Far more controversial.

01:03:45.000 You can actually look at the...

01:03:46.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:03:47.000 What percentage of the atmosphere do you think is comprised of by carbon dioxide today?

01:03:52.000 That is a non-sequitur.

01:03:54.000 I'm asking a question.

01:03:56.000 It's a very small percentage.

01:03:59.000 Nitrogen makes up...

01:04:00.000 We don't breathe nitrogen.

01:04:01.000 I should raise the argument, why do we need oxygen?

01:04:04.000 Of course we need...

01:04:05.000 Just for people in the room to know.

01:04:06.000 Carbon dioxide can still have an impact.

01:04:07.000 If I may...

01:04:08.000 0.04% is carbon dioxide today.

01:04:11.000 That is one of the all-time lows in the history of the Earth.

01:04:16.000 And in fact, in most periods where carbon dioxide was a higher percentage of the global atmosphere, you actually had ice ages on Earth.

01:04:23.000 So the idea that carbon dioxide is responsible for the slight increase of global surface temperatures is itself at least questionable.

01:04:29.000 But here's the big question that nobody asks, and we've got to get to it.

01:04:32.000 What is our level of confidence that a slight increase in global surface temperatures is on net a bad thing for humanity?

01:04:42.000 It turns out that eight times as many people die of cold temperatures rather than warm ones every year.

01:04:51.000 May I say that?

01:04:52.000 We're obsessing.

01:04:53.000 I'm going to finish this point and then I'll give it right back to you.

01:04:55.000 The best way to prevent all temperature-related deaths is more plentiful, abundant access to fossil fuels.

01:05:03.000 And so the Earth today is actually more covered by green surface area than it was a century ago because carbon dioxide is plant food and they tend to grow in slightly warmer conditions.

01:05:14.000 So I think the evidence, actually, if you had to pick, is stronger to suggest that, on balance, a slight increase in global surface temperatures, which is exactly what we're experiencing, It's actually on net a positive for humanity rather than the thing that's killed more human beings throughout human history, which are global ice ages, which is exactly what they worried about in the 1970s.

01:05:34.000 So on the back of that evidence to say somehow we've got to stop burning fossil fuels when actually more people are dying of bad climate change policies, I think it's asinine, and I think it is anti-human, and I think it is going to result in the degradation of the West as we ship those same fossil fuels to places like China in the name of stopping global warming.

01:05:56.000 As the same people who oppose fossil fuels are also opposing nuclear energy, the greatest form of energy production that's carbon free known to mankind.

01:06:04.000 It doesn't make sense because this is actually a cult, a substitute for a modern religion.

01:06:09.000 And I think the climate change agenda, if it's representative of anything, it has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with the loss of actually faith and meaning and purpose and actually self-conviction and belief in God in our country.

01:06:21.000 That's actually what I think it's about.

01:06:23.000 I think that you have taken this question on a completely other side of the The AMOC in the Atlantic is, scientists are now saying that it is struggling and may collapse within the next few years, which will bring...

01:06:41.000 Cold temperatures to the northern Europe.

01:06:47.000 So, as you argued that cold temperatures are worse for humans than warm temperatures, heating up of the earth will bring warm temperatures to Europe.

01:06:58.000 That will surely degrade the West.

01:07:00.000 I don't see how you're saying that climate change is not real.

01:07:05.000 I mean, like...

01:07:06.000 Climate change is real.

01:07:07.000 It's been real since the start of the earth.

01:07:09.000 Climate change has existed as long as the earth has existed.

01:07:12.000 But the idea that we as human beings are contributing to this in a way that's net negative to humanity is a myth.

01:07:18.000 The climate change agenda is a hoax because it has nothing to do with the climate and everything to do with China actually laughing at every step of the way while we impede ourselves in the West. 0.75

01:07:29.000 China burned more coal last year than they've ever burned in the history of their existence as a country.

01:07:34.000 The United States burned less.

01:07:35.000 Are we better off for it?

01:07:36.000 No, we're not.

01:07:37.000 Is the world worse off for it?

01:07:38.000 Yes, we are.

01:07:39.000 Not only because China's catching up to the United States, but actually in the name of this climate agenda, we forget about actually what I think we should care about, which is clean air and clean water.

01:07:48.000 And China's coal is actually far more dirtier for the air than even that which we burn in the United States.

01:07:53.000 So the whole thing fails at every level.

01:07:55.000 And what it is, is you got a modern Joan of Arc figure, I guess they call her Greta Thunberg, that is offering a substitute for religion that we've lost.

01:08:04.000 And I do think that when you stop believing in your nation, you start pledging allegiance to new movements or flags instead.

01:08:10.000 This is just evidence of a deeper hunger for a cause.

01:08:14.000 Climate change is what we've latched onto, abandoning the facts.

01:08:17.000 And as somebody who majored, I was a molecular biology undergrad at Harvard, I'll tell you a simple rule of thumb to say whether you actually are following science or not.

01:08:25.000 If your conclusion was going to be the same, regardless of what the data tells you, that means you're not actually following science.

01:08:32.000 So that's to say that if they said it was going to be a global catastrophe, if global surface temperatures go up, that that's a problem.

01:08:38.000 But then they discover the risk might be that global surface temperatures would go down and that's a problem.

01:08:42.000 It means that the data didn't matter to them in the first place.

01:08:45.000 It was a separate agenda that they were using the data as a smokescreen to push.

01:08:49.000 And that's exactly what's happening with the modern climate agenda.

01:08:52.000 Thank you.

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01:09:54.000 Good evening.

01:09:54.000 Thank you for coming to our beautiful campus today.

01:09:57.000 I have a question about college as a scam, referring to what you said, Mr.

01:10:02.000 Kirk.

01:10:02.000 It's who you know, not exactly what you know or what degree you have.

01:10:06.000 What do you say to the people that come to college for the connections that it provides to those and getting to meet those people?

01:10:14.000 Super overrated.

01:10:16.000 So, in terms of, I mean, I'm here today from a connection someone gave me here, and I'm speaking to you gentlemen now.

01:10:24.000 Non-college graduates can attend this event, too.

01:10:26.000 I didn't, if I wasn't here, I wouldn't have known about it.

01:10:28.000 I wouldn't have been here tonight.

01:10:29.000 You don't, you know, the cell phone?

01:10:32.000 I mean, yeah, we promoted it. 0.88

01:10:33.000 I just think every argument about college is like so silly to me.

01:10:36.000 I'm going to go meet people.

01:10:37.000 Like, okay, so you want to go get drunk for a couple years?

01:10:39.000 Like, I mean, seriously, as if it's the only place you can ever meet people is a college campus.

01:10:44.000 I mean, there's a great article you guys got to watch from Wall Street Journal.

01:10:46.000 How many of you guys want to be millionaires?

01:10:47.000 Every hand goes up.

01:10:48.000 You know you could be a millionaire in five years?

01:10:50.000 Wall Street Journal, new class of millionaires, thousands, thousands of millionaires a year that are HVAC and plumbers.

01:10:56.000 Private equity cannot find enough of them.

01:10:58.000 They are earning $3 million a year.

01:11:01.000 Doing plumbing.

01:11:03.000 You guys aren't going to do that.

01:11:04.000 You guys are going to be like a Deloitte miserable in some sort of dimly lit office.

01:11:08.000 Ooh, it was so worth it going to Chapel Hill.

01:11:12.000 My fraternity was a lot of fun.

01:11:16.000 I said, I'm trying to pick on you.

01:11:17.000 It's just you guys are all being scammed.

01:11:18.000 You're all being deceived.

01:11:20.000 And like, meanwhile, you're like, oh, wow, I need to get my toilet fixed.

01:11:23.000 The guy was going to roll up in a Maserati.

01:11:28.000 And you'd be like, but at least I went to UNC Chapel Hill.

01:11:33.000 So for my career personally- I'm giving you somewhat of a hard time.

01:11:36.000 Yeah, that's a little mean.

01:11:37.000 It's a gap.

01:11:38.000 For personally my career, college here and the connections it has given me has allowed me to- What are you studying?

01:11:44.000 So I'm actually studying statistics, but I'm trying to be, I'm trying to work in a football front office when I get older.

01:11:51.000 So being here has allowed me to make connections with the UNC football team and provide that knowledge.

01:11:57.000 So when I eventually do get in that field and working for the team, it'll allow me to have that connection.

01:12:02.000 That's great.

01:12:03.000 I mean, you make something of it.

01:12:04.000 I want to interrupt you.

01:12:05.000 You guys don't have to defend an institution that's scamming you.

01:12:08.000 It's like, I always find it, again, it's not just you.

01:12:10.000 I go to these places, they're like, well, Charlie, college's not a scam for me.

01:12:13.000 It's like, how much are you paying in tuition?

01:12:15.000 Can I ask?

01:12:15.000 45.

01:12:16.000 How much?

01:12:17.000 45.

01:12:17.000 45 a year?

01:12:18.000 Yeah.

01:12:19.000 Dude, imagine this.

01:12:21.000 Like, you're trying to tell me, for a cool $200,000 and four years of free time, you couldn't get a connection at some football team?

01:12:29.000 Like, you couldn't go up to someone and be like, yo, I'm going to take you out to the nicest dinner, wherever it takes.

01:12:33.000 Do that in ten cities and find someone to take a chance on you?

01:12:36.000 Of course not.

01:12:37.000 The point is that we don't teach our kids to scrap or hustle anymore.

01:12:40.000 We have this ridiculous oligarchy that you have to go borrow a bunch of money and get into the secret society, the frat club, and then maybe you might be able to navigate it and meet somebody.

01:12:49.000 It's all BS. Life goes to the person who wants it the most. 0.55

01:12:53.000 If you scrap, if you hustle, you have good ethics and integrity, and yes, 200 grand, you could go a long way instead of studying a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter, find jobs that don't exist.

01:13:04.000 I would personally from the football world and from the people I know who have told me to come to college to learn from these people and build those connections.

01:13:12.000 I'm glad it's working out for you.

01:13:13.000 I'm telling you from the outside looking in, the world is vastly changing, more than you guys realize, and your little certificate as a piece of paper means nothing for those of us that actually employ people.

01:13:23.000 I employ 1,500 people.

01:13:25.000 If I find out you go to college, I'm a little skeptical of you.

01:13:27.000 I mean that.

01:13:28.000 I would partly agree with that.

01:13:30.000 No, no, no, for sure.

01:13:30.000 I'm just like, again, it's fine defending it.

01:13:32.000 I'm being somewhat sarcastic for a reason.

01:13:34.000 I just hope you guys realize the world is vastly changing.

01:13:37.000 And what you guys thought was going to be a benefit is going to be an anchor.

01:13:39.000 And the people that are the plumbers, electricians, the welders, and the muscular class have no debt and right now a lot of cash.

01:13:44.000 Thank you very much.

01:13:45.000 Thank you.

01:13:48.000 Okay, two more.

01:13:51.000 Hello.

01:13:52.000 I just want to say, Mr.

01:13:52.000 Kirk, I really admire you.

01:13:54.000 I love your passion.

01:13:55.000 I love how patient you are answering these questions.

01:13:56.000 Thank you for coming to UNC. And Mr.

01:13:58.000 Ramaswamy, I have the utmost respect for you.

01:14:00.000 Last year, I had no idea who you were.

01:14:01.000 I saw you in these debates.

01:14:02.000 The whole country knows you now.

01:14:03.000 I just love how you speak.

01:14:05.000 So thank you both of you guys for coming here.

01:14:06.000 Thank you.

01:14:08.000 So I just want to start by asking you guys, you guys keep talking about how important homeownership is in this election cycle.

01:14:15.000 So can you explain why homeownership is important, firstly?

01:14:18.000 Yeah, well, I can just tell you, as someone, when I bought my first home, your mentality changes immediately from when you're renting to when you're owning.

01:14:24.000 As soon as you own, you're more invested in your community.

01:14:26.000 You actually look at a property tax bill.

01:14:28.000 Number three, we see studies of this.

01:14:30.000 The three things that create you, that create conservative politics or worldview is mating. 1.00

01:14:36.000 Marriage, mortgage.

01:14:38.000 And those three things are increasingly not happening with young people.

01:14:41.000 And not to mention, the way the tax code is currently written, it's that it's rigged in favor of home ownership.

01:14:47.000 That you get a mortgage interest-based deduction so you can write it off.

01:14:50.000 Number two, you're literally putting money in a piggy bank for 30 years.

01:14:54.000 And if standard operating procedure continues, that asset will gain value, if not keep value, over a period of time.

01:15:01.000 And so, whereas renting, you're making somebody else rich, and you yourself are not actually putting any money in a durable, lasting way to build equity.

01:15:08.000 Do they have a thought on that?

01:15:09.000 Yeah, look, I think that...

01:15:11.000 Part of what we miss right now is just a groundedness in who we are.

01:15:16.000 I think we've lost that at every level, that I'm a vague global citizen fighting climate change somewhere versus a citizen of the United States of America, that that means something to me.

01:15:24.000 That goes from the climate change to the civics question from earlier.

01:15:27.000 Part of what we're missing is that I'm a member of a family, that I have a mother and a father, that I believe in being grounded as a member of a family.

01:15:34.000 It's part of my identity.

01:15:36.000 And as part of that, I just think there's something about human nature that requires a grounding in your home to know that that's permanent rather than fleeting.

01:15:44.000 It gives you a greater skin in the game in your own community.

01:15:46.000 And our founding fathers understood this when they actually said you had to be a landowner back then even in order to vote.

01:15:51.000 I'm not saying that's the right solution, but they recognize the fact that we're at our best when we feel grounded and have skin in the game in the country and the community where we actually live.

01:16:00.000 Now, we've made home ownership really difficult in this country, in part because the supply of new home construction is basically, I wouldn't say non-existent, but artificially constrained by all these arbitrary zoning requirements, land use restrictions, and it's especially hard for your generation because they actually restrict the ability to build smaller homes, exactly the kind of homes that young people might want to own after they graduate from college or graduate from high school, often with a lot of debt on their shoulders, and I think that's got to go.

01:16:29.000 That's all the product of special interest and lobbying.

01:16:31.000 And I don't think that you have to own a home that looks exactly like the ones next to you and have to be larger homes rather than smaller ones.

01:16:38.000 I think you still can get that same sense of grounding by being a smaller home of a kind that the current regulations aren't allowing to be built.

01:16:45.000 That's a policy failure.

01:16:46.000 I think Donald Trump is very focused on fixing this at a federal level.

01:16:49.000 But a lot of this is a state issue, too, that's going to be fixed mostly by red states that are doing a lot better on bringing those housing costs down than a lot of blue states where they've gone up.

01:16:58.000 So that's what I'm talking about from a policy.

01:16:59.000 Thank you.

01:16:59.000 Thanks.

01:17:00.000 This will be the last question.

01:17:01.000 Thank you.

01:17:01.000 We've got to get to the next one.

01:17:02.000 Thanks.

01:17:02.000 We're over time.

01:17:03.000 Thank you.

01:17:03.000 Wait, I didn't get to ask my question.

01:17:04.000 One more.

01:17:05.000 Nope, not you.

01:17:05.000 One more.

01:17:06.000 Thank you.

01:17:08.000 Vivek, I appreciate your candor during your appearance on the All In Podcast, where David Friedberg raised concerns about monetary policy and deficit spending as existential threats to our nation.

01:17:19.000 I share these concerns, believing that politicians often engage in vote buying or artificially inflating markets.

01:17:26.000 Do you support transitioning to a system where the U.S. dollar is backed by gold or another standard?

01:17:32.000 If not, what alternative would you propose?

01:17:34.000 Additionally, why should we remain at the mercy of the Federal Reserve regarding monetary policy?

01:17:40.000 Isn't increasing the money supply, thereby reducing the scarcity of our dollar, a form of taxation without proper representation?

01:17:47.000 Yeah, I mean, what are you up to right now?

01:17:49.000 Are you, like, in college?

01:17:50.000 Are you graduating from here, or what?

01:17:53.000 I'm in this program called CSTAP, so I'm in Wake Tech, and I'll be transferring in next year.

01:17:57.000 I just ask because we need a new chairman of the Federal Reserve, and you seem to have a better understanding of it than the people who have occupied that job in the past.

01:18:05.000 So, you know, we could talk after if you're looking for some jobs afterwards.

01:18:08.000 The chairman of the Federal Reserve is open next January.

01:18:11.000 Here's the thing.

01:18:12.000 So people understand this becomes like an esoteric issue.

01:18:14.000 It actually matters to you.

01:18:15.000 So the Federal Reserve has been openly hostile to wage growth in this country.

01:18:21.000 Actually, part of the reason the bottom 99% in inflation-adjusted terms have remained flat, only the top 1% has gone up, is because of the Federal Reserve.

01:18:29.000 They treat inflation, historically the last 25 years, as a leading, they treat wage growth as a leading indicator of inflation.

01:18:38.000 So that means they tighten monetary policy right into a natural downturn of the business cycle because wages is the last thing to go up, which gives you these boom-bust bailout cycles.

01:18:48.000 That 2008 financial crisis I referred to earlier, that was created by a lot of these failed policies.

01:18:53.000 And what do you have on the back of it?

01:18:54.000 You have a government bailout that taxpayers pay for.

01:18:56.000 So we've been through that enough times that the right answer, I'm pretty sympathetic to the idea of tying the U.S. dollar to gold.

01:19:02.000 I'd just add a few more commodities to that basket because I don't want to be tied to any one commodity.

01:19:07.000 But hard assets stabilize the U.S. dollar as a unit of measurement, period.

01:19:13.000 Right now, what the Federal Reserve's been doing, it's like the analogy I'd use is like a drunken man at a bar throwing darts.

01:19:21.000 Trying to hit two targets at the same time with one arrow and missing badly on both.

01:19:25.000 That's inflation and unemployment.

01:19:26.000 They've missed on both.

01:19:28.000 And so the right thing we need to do is to stabilize the U.S. dollar as their sole goal.

01:19:32.000 That's easy to do.

01:19:33.000 Now this is a broader lesson that applies to the rest of government.

01:19:36.000 It's really important.

01:19:37.000 We don't need 20,000 employees.

01:19:39.000 It's about 23,000 employees at the US Federal Reserve right now.

01:19:42.000 We don't need 23,000 people to do that simple arithmetic calculation.

01:19:46.000 We need fewer than 2,000, probably only several hundred to get that job done.

01:19:50.000 And that reveals the greater problem with our government, which is that when you have thousands of unelected bureaucrats showing up to work, the biggest cost isn't even their salary cost.

01:20:01.000 It's that these people find random things to do, and that's exactly what's happened with the Fed, but it's also what's happened with the rest of the federal government.

01:20:10.000 And so if we're going to save this country and actually get serious about it, we're going to think about what's real in the next four years.

01:20:15.000 What are you going to get from Donald Trump?

01:20:16.000 I hope that you're not going to get from any other politician.

01:20:19.000 Is mass downsizing of that federal government.

01:20:22.000 We got questions about the immigration policy, and yes, we're going to have mass deportation of millions of illegals who are in this country illegally.

01:20:29.000 I support that.

01:20:31.000 But don't forget the second mass deportation that we also need, which is the mass deportation of millions of unelected federal bureaucrats out of the Washington, D.C. bureaucracy.

01:20:42.000 That is how you save a country.

01:20:45.000 You can blame the left.

01:20:47.000 I'm actually going to blame Republicans here because for years, Republicans have believed in this model of incremental reform.

01:20:53.000 You tidy it around the edges.

01:20:55.000 You cut off one head of an eight-headed hydra.

01:20:56.000 It grows right back. 0.91

01:20:58.000 No, if you're serious, you've got to strike this beast at its core.

01:21:02.000 You're not going to reform the bureaucracy.

01:21:04.000 But if we're really serious about this, we're going to get in there and shut it down.

01:21:08.000 That's the stuff of how you save a country, not just the Fed as in the Federal Reserve, but the Fed as in the federal government bureaucracy as we know it.

01:21:15.000 So I appreciate the question, young man.

01:21:17.000 Thank you.

01:21:17.000 Can I say one thing?

01:21:18.000 Thank you.

01:21:18.000 We're out of time.

01:21:19.000 Thank you.

01:21:20.000 I just want to remind all you guys, you have to go vote and vote early.

01:21:24.000 You're not voting for Trump or Harris.

01:21:26.000 You're voting for 5,000 people that will fill your government.

01:21:29.000 Which one better fits and better suits your worldview?

01:21:32.000 You have Donald Trump that will have Elon Musk, Tulsi Gabbard, Bobby Kennedy, a team of all-stars, or Kamala Harris that has Anthony Fauci, Mayorkas, Tony Blinken, the most unimpressive people you could possibly put together.

01:21:44.000 Donald Trump.

01:21:45.000 And also, how about Vivek and the administration, everybody?

01:21:47.000 How great would that be?

01:21:51.000 Go vote.

01:21:51.000 Get five friends to go vote for Trump.

01:21:54.000 This state of North Carolina might be the deciding state.

01:21:57.000 You need to show up, get your friends out to vote, and together we'll take back this country in just two weeks.

01:22:03.000 Thank you guys so much.

01:22:04.000 God bless you.

The Charlie Kirk Show - October 25, 2024

Charlie and Vivek's Tag-Team Q&A at UNC Chapel Hill

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