Learn English with Charlie Kirk in Oxford, Oxford University. Speaker: "This House believes that Trump has gone too far. And opening the case for the proposition is Anya Trafamovia, librarian, St. John's College." Speaker: "The noble Charlie Kirk will tell you Trump is not ambitious. If it were so, it is a grievous fault, and grievously has Trump answered it."
00:00:55.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:04.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:34.000Trump wants to end free speech as we know it.
00:02:37.000He is bankrolling Israel's Gaza genocide and he's cozied up to Putin while throwing Ukraine under the bus.
00:02:44.000And Trump single-handedly has set the history profession back God knows how many years by proving the great man theory of history right as the single most destructive individual of the 21st century.
00:03:26.000In only 100 days, he has not only gone too far, he has taken steps to fundamentally unravel the constitution of the founding fathers, paralyze the courts and send the world lurching towards financial ruin.
00:03:38.000He has slashed USAID by 62%, leaving key humanitarian operations in Somalia, Haiti and Myanmar adrift.8%, Trump has about as much hope of controlling inflation levels as he does trying to rein in his own inflated ego.
00:03:58.000In only 100 days, the Trump's family's net worth has increased 3 billion.
00:04:03.000That's about 1 billion a month since the time he took office.
00:04:07.000In that same amount of time, Trump has only signed five bills into law, marking the single worst performance to a start of a president's term in more than a century.
00:04:17.000The only thing that Trump has not gone quite far enough in is fashion.
00:04:22.000If you're going to use the fascist playbook, you might at least get Hugo Boss to design your MAGA hats.
00:04:29.000Madam President, Thank you for the incredible honour of speaking in this debate tonight.
00:04:34.000I'm glad to see you hosting a debate on a president that's gone too far.
00:04:38.000Although you yourself haven't tried to force through rules reforms in the House, appoint over 50 of your friends to committee as nappu babies, or strike half of the Union's electoral officials, which in my opinion shows that you clearly haven't gone far enough.
00:04:54.000That being said, you still have over four weeks left in office and I'm incredibly excited to see where you will go from here.
00:05:00.000On a more serious note, I'm excited and happy to see the members of the Union, unlike our counterparts in America, are more comfortable with electing a highly qualified woman to the most senior office in this society.
00:05:13.000I hope that any American friends in the audience tonight are taking notes.
00:05:20.000On the subject of gas, those with an observant eye will have seen in the term card that Nayib Bukali, our president of El Salvador, will be paying us a visit later in the term.
00:05:29.000I hope that the president will ask him about his recent illegal incarceration of American citizens at the instruction of his American sugar daddy, who's currently pigging it out in his $400 million palace in the sky.
00:05:42.000Sorry, I meant gift of a jet from Qatar.
00:05:45.000Just yesterday, the USA was downgraded from its last AAA credit rating with Moody citing insurmountable concerns about fiscal debt and tax cut legislation.
00:05:55.000Getting an A, I should explain, Charlie, is something that you do in school.
00:05:59.000And I'd like at this point to apologize to my dear tutor, Dr. Laura Smith, who is speaking also on side proposition.
00:06:06.000I promise that you will have the essay next week.
00:06:08.000I've been a little too caught up in writing this speech.
00:06:12.000Actually, if there is any chance of changing the topic to Trump's America, I might have the essay half written.
00:06:17.000In 100 days and by fiat alone, Trump has signed 70 executive orders and pardoned over 70 individuals convicted for the January 6th insurrection.
00:06:29.000He has rolled out and then rolled back in tariffs on over 90 countries.
00:06:34.000They say that the past repeats itself, but it seems that backsliding into the authoritarianism of the 1930s has come a decade early.
00:06:42.000To say he has not gone too far, as the opposition must, is to say that any one of the individually unacceptable acts of which there are too many to list, are actually acceptable and more than this, good.
00:06:54.000A vote for the opposition is a vote that it is good to storm Congress, to bribe escorts.
00:07:00.000It's a vote for a president who won't rule out the possibility of running for a third term because it is quote too early to think about, all the while making the lives of ordinary people immeasurably worse.
00:07:14.000Under Trump, you can be thousands of dollars poorer.
00:07:18.000Trump appointed Elon Musk to run Doge.
00:07:21.000Musk, a man that thinks that grass is something you smoke, and who thinks that a meme is when you cut 30 million people's pensions.
00:07:28.000After the new Nazi Charlottesville riot, Trump famously said that there are some very fine people on both sides, a sentiment that he clearly took to heart in appointing Elon, a man whose love of throwing Roman salutes is second only to a self-proclaimed love of Catamin.
00:07:45.000But then perhaps Trump and Elon is just the ultimate story of male friendship.
00:07:51.000After buying Twitter because he didn't have any real-life friends, Musk with Twitter can join Trump with Truth Social in the enviable company of probably not a lizard, Mark Zuckerberg, and in the I Own My Own Social Media Club.
00:08:05.000Now, Charlie, I'm sorry you got left out here, but I don't think that having kids pretend to be MAGA Youth for Instagram reels quite cuts it.
00:08:12.000Trump is not just corrupt, not just a moral vacuum, but he is an ego out of control.
00:08:18.000He's a danger to himself and to others.
00:08:24.000Now, it's a bit rich for the Union with its recent leadership to talk of presidents being authoritarian and impulsive.
00:08:33.000That being said, perhaps America could take a leaf out of the Union's playbook and try removing their president, even the ones that have been democratically elected.
00:08:42.000If you don't think that Trump has gone too far, At what point would you say that he has crossed the Rubicon?
00:08:48.000If your neighbour is deported in the middle of the night, probably killed, if books are burned, if there is martial law on the streets if your sister isn't allowed to go to high school.
00:12:44.000Trump has sought to divide us from one, one another, to from our allies, and three, even from the truth.
00:12:52.000In dividing Americans from one another, President Trump has fueled fear and resentment between neighbors.
00:12:58.000He calls political opponents vermin, brands immigrants as murderers, and attacks queer and trans-Americans.
00:13:05.000According to the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, hate crimes across race, religion, gender, class, and disability have either increased or are projected to increase by more than 80 percent in Trump's America.
00:13:20.000His rhetoric has deepened hostility among family, friends, and everyday people, making Americans who once saw family and community see enemies.
00:13:31.000In dividing America from our allies, President Trump has praised autocrats while undermining democratic allies.
00:13:37.000He supported policies enabling the mass forced displacement of Palestinians, displacement they continued to resist and endure.
00:13:45.000He's threatened to acquire Canada and Greenland, floated military action in Panama, and publicly insulted NATO and leaders of the Ukraine.
00:13:55.000while defending dictators like Putin, Kim Jong-un, and Xi Jinping.
00:14:01.000This isolationist approach also divides Americans from number three, the truth.
00:14:06.000President Trump has made it harder for Americans to trust facts.
00:14:10.000And when Americans stop trusting the people who inform them of their public health, education, or their elections, they have nowhere else to look but towards him.
00:14:21.000He's told Americans that the economy is booming.
00:14:23.000While wages remain stagnant, homelessness has risen 12% in 2025 alone, and one in five children in the United States faces hunger in the wealthiest country on Earth.
00:14:35.000He claimed he created the best health care in the world while millions remain uninsured.
00:14:40.000And medical debt is still the leading cause of personal bankruptcy in the United States.
00:14:46.000He paints climate change as a hoax, while wildfires, floods, and extreme heat worsen every year, and indigenous communities pay the price.
00:14:54.000That's not just a spin, it's a strategy, because when Americans do not know what is true, they cannot demand what is just.
00:15:03.000That's how he divides us, not only from each other, but from literally the reality we exist within.
00:15:13.000When there's a real fire, Trump pulls out the alarm somewhere else.
00:15:17.000He doesn't address the root causes of crises.
00:15:20.000He manufactures new ones to distract us from focusing on real problems.
00:15:25.000I'm going to specifically address only three.
00:15:28.000Safety in society, safety for women, and safety for children.
00:15:32.000He claims he brings safety, law, and order, an interesting priority for someone who's been convicted of 34 felony counts.
00:15:40.000But his solution, build more prisons, imprison more people, punish, and repeat.
00:15:46.000Research shows that mass incarceration does not solve the issues that cause crime, poverty, mental illness, and addiction.
00:15:54.000It punishes people for symptoms of real problems.
00:15:57.000And if you still believe prisons solve crime, consider this.
00:16:01.000America locks up more people than any country on Earth, holding nearly one-fourth of the world's prisoners.
00:16:08.000If mass incarceration made us safer, we'd be the safest nation on Earth.
00:16:14.000But instead of reversing this, President Trump pushes us further into an unsafe reality, choosing handcuffs over housing, prisons over treatment.
00:16:23.000He doesn't just distract us from the real roots of crimes, he deepens the crises that exist.
00:16:28.000He claims that America is safer for women.
00:16:31.000President Trump says that he will protect women, and he does.
00:16:34.000But look closer at what he does and how he actually distracts us.
00:16:38.000He fuels moral panic about people who are transgender in sports, a policy obsession that targets a few dozen individuals nationwide.
00:16:49.000While distracting from over 40 million women, half of our country, who have identified very clearly what the threat is of the real harm, which, you all know, is cisgender men.
00:17:02.000According to data by the National Crime Victimization Survey, over 90% of violence experienced by women is committed by cisgender men.
00:17:11.000But President Trump had banned books, not predators.
00:17:14.000He targets drag shows, not domestic violence.
00:17:19.000Under his leadership, women's health care access has plummeted, maternal mortality rates have risen, and survivors of violence face greater barriers in courts and in hospitals than perhaps ever before.
00:17:31.000Meanwhile, President Trump surrounds himself with men credibly accused or convicted of sexual violence, not removing them, but elevating them to decision-making positions.
00:17:42.000If safety were really the goal, The threats women experience wouldn't be invented and the real ones wouldn't be ignored.
00:17:50.000He claims America is safer for children.
00:17:53.000In America today, the leading cause of death for children and teens is gun violence.
00:17:58.000Over 4,300 kids are killed by guns each year and more than 17,000 are wounded.
00:18:16.000Instead of passing laws to keep kids safe in schools, he attacks teachers, slashes education budgets, and distracts the public with crusades against story hours and books in school libraries.
00:18:27.000Children are not unsafe because of what they're reading.
00:18:31.000They are unsafe because their classrooms are war zones.
00:18:35.000When you keep pulling fire alarms for fake fires, no one notices when the building you're in is actually burning.
00:18:54.000He blamed election workers for his own loss, fueling a deadly insurrection that endangered lawmakers and law enforcement.
00:19:02.000He blamed Congress for the violence his words incited.
00:19:05.000He's weaponized immigration to shift blame, deporting asylum seekers without hearings, and detaining student protesters across state lines, not to protect Americans, but to silence dissent.
00:19:18.000He called the press the enemy of the people, threatened journalists, and flooded the courts with lawsuits to avoid scrutiny.
00:19:26.000As a result, today, America ranks 55th in global press freedom, the lowest it has been in modern history.
00:19:34.000You cannot run a country by avoiding every mirror and blaming every fire on someone else.
00:19:40.000Mark Twain once said, it is easier to fool people.
00:19:44.000than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.
00:20:20.000That jar has been sitting there with them this whole time.
00:20:23.000And just like that, millions are left on the floor, silently holding everything he refuses to fix.
00:20:30.000Meanwhile, this flashy jar filled with manufactured threats and political theater grabs every headline and all of our attention even in this debate.
00:20:41.000Trump's America does not solve real problems.
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00:22:36.000continue the case for the opposition I look to Daniel Ogoloma, Regents Park College.
00:22:47.000Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, friends of democracy and friends of drama.
00:22:54.000And of course, Madam President, thank you for the honour of speaking in tonight's debate.
00:22:59.000I must say it's a historic and inspiring moment for me.
00:23:02.000Also, let me take this moment to congratulate you on making history in becoming the first black woman to serve in this prestigious society as presidents.
00:23:32.000Or too far to people who are used to presidents who just have eloquent speeches for eight years without action, like that former president from Chicago.
00:26:58.000He's rolled out apprenticeships and STEM grants, created real jobs, not just LinkedIn dreams.
00:27:03.000As for the working class Americans, tax relief and energy infrastructure, more hours, more cash.
00:27:08.000The elderly, he's capped insulin prices in these first few weeks.
00:27:11.000Legal immigration, application queues cut nearly 30% thanks to digitization.
00:27:17.000So you tell me, if Trump's second term has already improved financial standings of students, workers, immigrants and pensioners, who exactly has he gone too far against?
00:27:28.000Everybody's saying he's making big moves.
00:27:35.000You don't hire Gordon Ramsey and complain when he's yelling in the kitchen.
00:27:39.000You don't re-elect Trump and act shocked when he's still Trump.
00:27:45.000Now, I know what my friends on the proposition will say, of course, but Trump supporters are uncomfortable with some of the things he's doing.
00:27:52.000And I say, welcome to bloody adulthood.
00:27:54.000I don't even agree with half of my own Netflix suggestions half of the time.
00:28:17.000Now, just imagine you purchase a ticket to Jamaica, you board the flight, and mid-flight you experience turbulence, and the pilot tells you, guys, sit tight, because the route he needs to take might be ugly.
00:28:31.000It's a bumpy ride, but he still lands the plane safely at your destination.
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00:31:04.000Their mission is to help people become more fully devoted followers of Jesus Christ, which is the most important thing, giving your life to the Lord, including here on the Charlie Kirk show.
00:31:58.000I suppose I really owe actually a debt of thanks to our friend Mr. Kirk here because, you know, I'd love to think that my students would wait this long to hear me lecture, but to be honest with you, you know, been here this long just because of him.
00:32:12.000But I must caution you, entertainment is on this side for you.
00:32:19.000Now, I've got to mention one thing that has been a sort of running current through the argument that you've heard from opposition today, which is this idea of he won.
00:32:35.000Okay, but the assumption is that he therefore had a mandate.
00:32:40.000A lot of political scientists dispute that there's even such a thing as an electoral mandate.
00:32:46.000that people could actually take it as word and that somehow Elon Musk was elected too.
00:32:52.000So you know what happens when you make assumptions, right?
00:32:56.000And I hate to use a Democratic dig here because it's got that connotation, but you make an ass of yourself if that's what happens when you make an assumption.
00:33:05.000Now, the word unprecedented is intrinsically associated almost to redundancy when it comes to Donald Trump.
00:33:14.000He's not unprecedented in being the first, he's definitely not the first president to try and push the boundaries of executive power to beyond its scope.
00:33:23.000He is even not the first president to do so in a time that is out of sync with his context.
00:36:03.000Now we all know that when there's a crisis, for example, he was in charge when there was COVID, when there was crisis with Black Lives Matter, George Floyd, the economic crisis related to COVID, how badly he mishandled and mismanaged that.
00:36:20.000Why does he like to therefore create crises?
00:36:57.000Oh, yeah, it was under President Barack Obama.
00:37:01.000And yet, because it was associated with Obama, it became no more under Trump.
00:37:05.000And now he's trying to create a treaty with no trust whatsoever.
00:37:09.000He talked in his election about the Panama Canal.
00:37:12.000And most egregiously recently, in terms of the economy, his tariff wars, going after America's one of their oldest and strongest allies, Canada.
00:37:47.000From the start of his political career, a mere 10 years ago, his immigration rhetoric rested on xenophobia and racism.
00:37:56.000And I'm not going to dignify this chamber by repeating some of it.
00:37:59.000What it has created is it has encouraged some of the worst of Americans and statements to come out, to feel vindicated.
00:38:09.000For example, in American campuses today, after his re-election in 2024, some Republican student groups were actually encouraging their fellow students to report other students they believed.
00:38:24.000So you are now innocent, no longer innocent, before proven guilty.
00:38:29.000He has been told by the Supreme Court, his own Supreme Court, one might say, considering that he appointed three of the justices, that he must return a man who should not have been deported to El Salvador's max security prison.
00:39:19.000Thank God we no longer live in the democracy of the man, although I do notice a bit of a gender divide here, which may reflect the support that Donald Trump has and that gender divide of his own.
00:39:32.000Another really interesting thing I find about Donald Trump and his use of power and deportation and immigration policies, Crazy the Crisis, he seems to be really fixated on a potential genocide in South Africa against white South Africans.
00:39:50.000And yet, white South Africans, no thank you, you'll get your chance, Mr. Kirk.
00:39:56.000Like my students, they get their chance.
00:39:58.000So, these white South Africans are able to come and relocate to the United States, while others, including those of minority, racial and ethnic backgrounds, do not get that privileged opportunity, the same privileged opportunity.
00:41:03.000It was streamlining government and it certainly wasn't denigrating those very unflashy civil service jobs that people do tirelessly day in and day out and mostly thanklessly as well.
00:41:15.000So ladies and gentlemen, I ask you in my final 30 seconds, 40 seconds, how do we judge whether a president has gone too far when the method that the founders gave us, the high crimes and misdemeanor, the last block of check, the impeachment mechanism, seems meaningless for a man who has been impeached twice?
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00:42:53.000And now closing the case of the opposition and indeed the whole debate, Mr. Charlie Kirk.
00:43:32.000Number two, can you tell me when it comes to Charlottesville, something that you said when Donald Trump said that there were people on both sides, he was actually talking about the statue debate not what you said so that's a hoax that's line number two um oh yeah you said that somebody over here said something about a pete hegseth being nothing more than a TV host you should also mention that he was a service member of the military nope sorry I'm gonna talk uninterruptedly thank you service member and was in a decorated war hero funny
00:44:02.000you didn't mention that oh yes January 6 came up multiple times from you tried your best but from you and from the opposition.
00:44:33.000I've no idea what you're talking about in the back of the room.
00:44:36.000It's like, it's completely lost on me.
00:44:37.000So I don't know what that's all about.
00:44:41.000Also, on the Canadian border, the professor failed to mention that the Canadian border was closed.
00:44:46.000President Trump said fentanyl and the amount of terrorists that are coming across the Canadian border, of which the most terrorists that come into America come across the Canadian border on the terrorist watch list.
00:45:02.000The fact that a major political party in South Africa says, quote, kill the boars, kill the boars.
00:45:07.000I would expect more of somebody who wrote dissertation and teaches here at Oxford to say that you would not know about the attempted slaughter and genocide of white South Africans.
00:45:15.000Okay, now on to, I'm sure there's lots of POIs, and I will talk uninterrupted.
00:45:20.000Now to my remarks, but actually, is that all of it?
00:46:01.000If you dislike the West, and if you hate the West's values, if you think the West is evil fundamentally and deserves to be destroyed, then anything Donald Trump does basically short of surrender will be too far for you.
00:46:14.000If I was visiting this school 100 years ago, speaking in support of an American president, I think we would at least have some broad agreement on what a country's leader should be trying to do.
00:46:45.000as it is because of what we inherited from you, from Britain.
00:46:50.000When I hear the slogan, make America great again, I'm also hearing, quote, return America to its British roots.
00:46:58.000Great Britain has everything in the world to be proud of.
00:47:01.000But when I look at Britain today, I see a country where the ruling elites are in a race to abandon the very values, the values that made them so great in the first place.
00:47:09.000I wish I could blame this all on Labour, all on the left, but I can't.
00:47:13.000This country just had its 14th uninterrupted year of so-called conservative rule.
00:47:20.000Well, they didn't conserve the ancient British rights to freedom of speech.
00:47:24.000In Britain today, 30 people a day are arrested for offensive posts on social media, according to the Telegraph, praying silently.
00:47:33.000within 600 feet of an abortion clinic can get you arrested in Scotland, as a 74-year-old woman named Rose just learned weeks ago.
00:47:40.000Members of Parliament scold British citizens for thinking they have the right to say things, say that they do not have the right to say things that offend Muslims.
00:47:48.00014 years of conservative rule didn't conserve British prosperity.
00:47:53.000Adjusted for inflation cost of living, the average British worker makes less today than they did in 2008.
00:48:00.000Outside of London, the British have lower incomes than every one of America's 50 states, and it never used to be this way.
00:48:06.000British industry pays four times as much for electricity as America does.
00:48:11.000You have the highest electricity rates in the world, a consequence of a choice of going net neutral.
00:48:18.000Nothing will kill a modern economy faster than high energy prices.
00:48:21.000And the country that, again, that invented the steam engine now has some of the highest energy prices on the planet.
00:48:26.000But above all, 14 years of conservative control didn't preserve the British nation.
00:48:31.000This country's conservatives thought it was their moral duty to allow anyone from the third world to move here.
00:48:37.000They didn't need to hold Western values.
00:48:39.000They didn't need to have useful skills.
00:48:42.000Just last week, Kier Starmer announced he's changing the law to make sure immigrants who commit crimes are deported because the conservatives never actually bothered passing that law themselves.
00:48:52.000The dying out of the British nation means the dying out of Christianity.
00:48:56.000Britain is the birthplace of Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Anglicans, Quakers, and more.
00:49:03.000I would guess that more Christian denominations trace back to Britain than any other country, but soon Britain will have more practicing Muslims and practicing Christians.
00:49:12.000I think that will be a catastrophic change, and everyone knows it.
00:49:17.000That's why it's only Muslims moving to Christian countries, never the other way around.
00:50:39.000President Trump has cut border crossings, not 90%, not 99%, but 99.9%.
00:50:45.000For years, my country's leaders lied that the southern border was an unfixable mess.
00:50:51.000President Trump exposed them all as liars within weeks.
00:50:54.000But closing the door didn't fix the damage that Biden did.
00:50:58.000We have well over 10 million people in America who should not be in America.
00:51:02.000If somebody breaks into your home, you don't fix the problem by closing your door and locking it.
00:51:06.000Things aren't fixed until the burglar is kicked out.
00:51:09.000And President Trump has been fighting harder than ever to make that happen.
00:51:12.000But I'd be happy if we fought even harder.
00:51:14.000Of course, illegal migration isn't the only threat facing America.
00:51:17.000In Joe Biden's America, we had the tyranny of DEI.
00:51:20.000Even though America's Constitution explicitly forbids racial discrimination, our government ordered people to do it anyway.
00:51:27.000People were denied jobs and denied promotions.
00:51:29.000Kids were shut out of universities based on the color of their skin rather than their ability.
00:51:34.000Companies were denied federal contracts because their owners didn't look a certain way.
00:51:38.000People who didn't discriminate enough in hiring could be sued by the government.
00:51:41.000Every company in America lived in fear of their government deciding to target them for offenses against DEI.
00:51:49.000Trump has ordered DEI to be torn down.
00:51:52.000But I want him to tear it down faster.
00:51:54.000I want every university told that they're losing all federal dollars immediately if they don't stop racial discrimination.
00:52:00.000I want the Department of Justice to start auditing every federal contractor to find DEI and shut off contracts immediately wherever we find it.
00:52:09.000This is a kind of cancer that cannot be phased out.
00:53:19.000You should want to preserve and restore the greatness of Britain.
00:53:22.000You should want the decline to stop and you can make it happen.
00:53:24.000Starmer wouldn't be saying anybody's saying without what President Trump is doing.
00:53:28.000If you were honest with yourself, if you want a great Britain again, not a mediocre Britain, if you want a Britain that you could be proud of, you should all be wearing MAGA hats and cheering Donald Trump on every step of the way.