The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie Kirk on Family, Freedom, and America's Moral Future—LIVE from the Halls of Berkeley

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, I am campaigning right now for JD Vance in Ohio with Senator Josh Hawley.

00:00:04.000 A little bit distracted and for good reason, so I haven't been able to be in the chair today.

00:00:08.000 So we're airing this episode of my conversation at Berkeley.

00:00:13.000 That's right, the halls of Berkeley.

00:00:14.000 You can enjoy my comments and then my back and forth and QA with the leftists at Berkeley.

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00:00:40.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:40.000 Here we go.

00:00:42.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:44.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:46.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:49.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:52.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:53.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:54.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:00:56.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:03.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:12.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:15.000 I want to thank the university for helping make this happen.

00:01:18.000 Thank you guys for stopping by our table, by the way, today.

00:01:21.000 That was awesome.

00:01:22.000 And we had some really good discussion.

00:01:24.000 I want to talk about that for a second, but first, I want to thank our amazing Turning Point USA chapter that has helped put this on.

00:01:29.000 You guys are amazing, truly.

00:01:32.000 It's awesome.

00:01:33.000 So I'm not going to do my opening remarks for too long.

00:01:37.000 I really enjoyed having conversations with you guys.

00:01:40.000 I'm sorry, can't assume genders. 0.95

00:01:41.000 I'm sorry with you people earlier.

00:01:44.000 Sorry.

00:01:46.000 Got to know the rules.

00:01:48.000 It was fun.

00:01:48.000 I learned a lot.

00:01:50.000 Really smart students here, I think, largely misled on a lot of different things.

00:01:54.000 We could talk about that.

00:01:55.000 I learned a couple things, which is, so I've come to this university a couple times.

00:01:59.000 I spoke here four years ago, I want to say.

00:02:01.000 There has been a couple changes here, and not just the masks and all that.

00:02:05.000 But one of the changes is that there was an overwhelming amount of cynicism from the students here at UC Berkeley.

00:02:14.000 Cynicism about the political process, about the future of the country, a cynicism just kind of about life in general.

00:02:22.000 And it's not that that wasn't there four or five years ago, but when I first visited Berkeley, there was this insistence that utopia is just around the corner, right?

00:02:32.000 That if we just kind of give government a little bit more power and we get rid of rich people or whatever, then heaven can kind of be brought on earth.

00:02:39.000 And I didn't get that vibe as much today talking for over two hours with a lot of you.

00:02:44.000 I instead kind of got this undertone that things are really awful, they're terrible, and people like you are the reason why.

00:02:52.000 And, you know, there's really not a path forward to make it better, but just kind of don't tell me how to live my life and so be it.

00:02:59.000 And I think we can unpack that because it kind of transformed from an outward utopian kind of promise to something that's outwardly dystopian.

00:03:09.000 And there's just a lack of hope that I sense today from a lot of students.

00:03:14.000 We can talk about that today, which I think is really, you know, important, helpful, and necessary.

00:03:19.000 Something that kept on happening today as we talked on campus is there was this question that continued to be repeated over and over and over again, which is by what standard?

00:03:28.000 Like according to who?

00:03:30.000 And that's a really important thing I think that we should focus on here.

00:03:34.000 And it's holy week.

00:03:35.000 And I know we have a lot of atheists here in the room.

00:03:37.000 We could talk about that too.

00:03:38.000 But if you do not have an absolute standard of morality, then it really does kind of come down to, so who's to say?

00:03:46.000 Who's to say?

00:03:47.000 And that was kind of a theme that continually was repeated.

00:03:52.000 And there's an old expression that has been repurposed, and Dennis Prager said it for many years, which is, and Dennis Prager is amazing.

00:03:59.000 And it kind of goes like this, which if you do not believe in God, or if there is no God, right and wrong is merely an opinion.

00:04:06.000 And there were a lot of opinions about right and wrong today.

00:04:09.000 Opinions that I didn't even think that were controversial, such as murder and killing and the defense of innocent and people that can't defend themselves.

00:04:19.000 And so you might not believe in God, okay, but it's hard to believe that having a society that doesn't believe in God will make that society or that country or that civilization more free, or at least be able to have kind of agreed upon terms, if you will.

00:04:37.000 And so if you keep on saying by what standard, by what standard, eventually it's going to be whoever's opinion, and you're not going to be able to appeal to kind of a transcendent authority to be able to say, well, by the standard that kind of transcends space and time.

00:04:52.000 I'll give you an example, right?

00:04:53.000 So it doesn't matter if it's year 600 or year 2000 or you 2500, abusing children is wrong.

00:04:59.000 That doesn't change over time.

00:05:01.000 That's not something that should be an opinion.

00:05:03.000 But if you reduce kind of from a transcendent belief, where does that come from?

00:05:08.000 Then someone will just say, well, it's just my opinion that it's wrong.

00:05:11.000 Or it's your opinion that it's wrong.

00:05:13.000 And so I think it's really important that we explore whether or not there's a thing such as absolute truth.

00:05:19.000 And there is.

00:05:19.000 There is absolute truth.

00:05:21.000 There are things that are absolutely wrong, and there are some things that are absolutely always good.

00:05:25.000 And I believe, and I'll be happy to have discourse on this, that there is a God, and we're made in that God's image, and we're here to fulfill a very specific purpose while we're here.

00:05:36.000 And that's not just true, but it's also civilizationally critical to believe that.

00:05:42.000 Because the absence of that, you're going to have not chaos is kind of the filler word, but you're going to have disarray and confusion.

00:05:50.000 And then how do you order a society around that?

00:05:53.000 How do you actually find your own individual purpose?

00:05:56.000 And so, and then where do you get morality from?

00:05:58.000 Do you get morality from your opinion, from your experiences?

00:06:02.000 And I think that all, and eventually the dialogue that we had today, which I found to be very meaningful and helpful for me too.

00:06:09.000 And I hope the people that were there felt the same, is kind of if you, at the fundamental level, there is something eventually we can agree with in morality.

00:06:19.000 The question, where does it come from?

00:06:21.000 And then how do you pass it down?

00:06:22.000 And then how do you defend it?

00:06:24.000 Okay, another question that was asked that was interesting today is, and I've never been asked this question before, but I was happy to elaborate on it.

00:06:30.000 Somebody said, well, how do you know what a human being is?

00:06:33.000 So that was an interesting question.

00:06:35.000 For example, what makes a human being more valuable than a goldfish, right?

00:06:40.000 Interesting thought, I guess, for that.

00:06:43.000 Well, put very simply, there's something unique about humanity.

00:06:47.000 There's something unique about the beings that we are.

00:06:49.000 We are the speaking beings.

00:06:50.000 But if you think about it, if you do not believe that human beings have a soul and it's just a collection of cells, that becomes a lot harder to defend.

00:06:59.000 So I believe a human being is a mind, body, and soul combined all into one.

00:07:03.000 But if you believe that the human being is just a mind and a body, then you're basically defending like a really cool machine that might be created and might be able to reason and can speak, but it doesn't necessarily have defensible moral value.

00:07:17.000 And so I could go into great detail about what a human being is, of like the speaking beings, our ability to reason, to make sense of the natural world, our ability to use common nouns, all these different things.

00:07:27.000 But I think most importantly, that when you're wrestling with these very fundamental questions, I think it's time to take a step back and say some of the more consequential things of how we order society.

00:07:38.000 We need to kind of take pause and say, we need to be able to at least, in a majority opinion, be able to answer these fundamental questions.

00:07:45.000 And so that's, you know, so interesting.

00:07:49.000 At the capital of free speech, some people are just so miserable that they have to go bang on windows.

00:07:54.000 It's so interesting, isn't it?

00:07:55.000 Yeah, my dog's going to go say hi.

00:07:57.000 Good luck.

00:08:00.000 Yeah, they'll scatter.

00:08:02.000 So, look, we'll get to questions in a second.

00:08:04.000 I appreciate you guys being here.

00:08:06.000 The final thing is this: if you feel as if there's a massive amount of injustice in the world, there's a lot of truth to the argument that you, as a young person, have been lied to and misled, and that you've been told to do things that are not in your best interest.

00:08:21.000 One of them being having to go to college to succeed.

00:08:25.000 I do not believe that a majority of young people should be going to college.

00:08:28.000 In fact, I think that college is largely a scam, and I'll prove it to you.

00:08:32.000 How many of you have to take classes that you are forced to take that have no relevancy to your degree or major, and you wish you shouldn't have to take it?

00:08:37.000 Every hand goes up, right?

00:08:38.000 Almost every hand.

00:08:39.000 Jeez, there's a lot of people back there.

00:08:41.000 And so, the idea that just a piece of paper is going to be able to grant you access in society is a highly questionable one at best.

00:08:50.000 And so, you look at the statistics: 41% of people that go to college do not graduate.

00:08:55.000 41%.

00:08:56.000 And so, how many of you know someone that dropped out of college?

00:08:59.000 Raise your hand.

00:08:59.000 Yeah, almost every hand goes up.

00:09:01.000 And so, you're being forced to take classes that really have no relevancy to your future, whatever that might be.

00:09:07.000 And you're also simultaneously then knowing that people are dropping out at a record rate, ask yourself the question: why is this the case?

00:09:15.000 And so, but this is something I want to try to just hopefully find some common ground on, which is the following: which is that if you feel as if kind of the game has been rigged against you as a young person, you're not totally wrong.

00:09:28.000 And the best evidence of that is what we did to students across America the last two years: locking down America, forcing masks on them, and forcing a vaccine on them for a virus that did not pose a significant risk against them was nothing short of generational theft.

00:09:43.000 Now, for years, I've been warning about big government and the intrusion of government and how it makes your life, you know, potentially more miserable if it gets too big, all these things, with some prudent interventions here and there that I would support. 0.94

00:09:54.000 But, what better example of kind of the misery that a stupid centralized government and a corrupt centralized government could create than what we have lived through over the last two years?

00:10:04.000 Now, for those of you that are graduating soon, almost everything is twice or three times as expensive as it was before the lockdowns. 0.98

00:10:12.000 So, what did we decide to do?

00:10:13.000 Unnecessarily lock down society, create trillions of dollars out of thin air.

00:10:18.000 Those trillions of dollars go into hard assets.

00:10:20.000 Good luck buying a home.

00:10:21.000 Good luck buying any hard asset, not to mention your student loan debt burden.

00:10:25.000 And then, if you get married, having children is more expensive than ever.

00:10:29.000 There is an understandable anger that begins to set in.

00:10:33.000 And I know a lot of you feel this way: as if I've done everything I've been told to do, and I do not get the same shot at the American dream or at flourishing that my parents did.

00:10:45.000 And I will say that we could talk at length about what to do about that, but I think that there is a critique out there by some conservatives that all young people are lazy and all that.

00:10:57.000 I don't believe that.

00:10:58.000 I think there's plenty of lazy young people. 0.89

00:10:59.000 There's lazy people in every age group.

00:11:02.000 I don't think that millennials and Gen Z are generally lazy.

00:11:05.000 I think that they've done everything they've been told to do.

00:11:09.000 And now they're looking at their life when they're 25, 26, and 27.

00:11:12.000 And they're like, wait a second, I followed the rules.

00:11:15.000 I wore the mask when I showered.

00:11:17.000 I got the ninth booster shot.

00:11:20.000 I did everything I was told to do.

00:11:22.000 And yet, my life is materially more in jeopardy than I ever thought.

00:11:26.000 And so, because of that, now you're cynical.

00:11:29.000 So, my message is understanding that critique, let's try to turn some of that cynicism into hope, into a country that could be something you could buy into, something you could do in your own life to actually find meaning and purpose.

00:11:44.000 Because cynical people do really bad things.

00:11:47.000 They do.

00:11:48.000 Over time, cynical politics is not good for society.

00:11:51.000 You get very radical political movements when you start to be cynical about everything.

00:11:56.000 And guess what?

00:11:56.000 I have to wrestle with this myself.

00:11:58.000 I'm cynical about a lot.

00:12:00.000 I'm cynical about Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Johnson and Johnson, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the CIA, the deep state department of justice, corrupt politicians.

00:12:09.000 I could go on.

00:12:10.000 But instead, I have to go through the process of stopping the cynicism, saying, wait a second, what do I believe?

00:12:16.000 What's the country I want to live in?

00:12:17.000 What can I do to actually hopefully get an optimistic, hopeful message out?

00:12:21.000 Because the politics of cynicism is bad for everybody.

00:12:23.000 If you think things are always constantly falling apart and there's no resolution, there's no way to try to solve it, then by definition, what comes next is either going to be an authoritarianism or anarchy, one of the two.

00:12:34.000 And one will lead to authoritarianism, right?

00:12:36.000 Anarchy does not last.

00:12:38.000 It doesn't.

00:12:38.000 Anarchy happens and then an authoritarian person takes over.

00:12:42.000 And you saw this in the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, when people get hyper-cynical about the political process.

00:12:47.000 They're willing to give their political power to a Napoleon or a Vladimir Lenin or whatever.

00:12:52.000 I don't want that.

00:12:52.000 You don't want that either.

00:12:54.000 And so if you're feeling as if the game has been structured against you, I want to just say there's a lot of truth to that argument.

00:13:02.000 And conservatives don't always talk like this.

00:13:04.000 Conservatives will usually say work harder, study harder, live by the rules.

00:13:09.000 I agree with all those things, by the way.

00:13:10.000 I think there can be a little bit more grit in this generation and all that.

00:13:13.000 But I think it would be unfair and not true to act as if right now a 20-year-old at UC Berkeley has the same set of circumstances that someone in the year 2004 had here.

00:13:25.000 It's just not true.

00:13:26.000 And the lack of recognizing that, I think, is something that creates even more cynicism and more anger.

00:13:33.000 So what is it that we should support?

00:13:35.000 And we can have a robust discussion on actually what this is, what this means.

00:13:38.000 We have to create citizens that are bought into their country. 1.00

00:13:41.000 There's three things that need to be done that are moral goods for society.

00:13:45.000 We call them conservatizing events at Turning Point USA.

00:13:48.000 We need to make it easier to buy property.

00:13:51.000 People that own homes do not burn down Wendy's, okay?

00:13:54.000 When you own property, it immediately de-radicalizes you.

00:13:58.000 And also it has you bought into the society at large and hopefully have some sort of vested interest in what's happening around you.

00:14:03.000 Number two, we need to encourage people to get married and get married younger.

00:14:07.000 Marriage rates are plummeting in America and it's a serious problem.

00:14:11.000 And then number three, we need to make it easier, and I'm open to all sorts of different ideas, financially and otherwise, and culturally, to have children in America.

00:14:19.000 We are on the verge of a population collapse in America.

00:14:22.000 Now, one of the reasons we're on the verge of a population collapse that I will find agreement on with some of the left-wingers in this audience is because of financial and economic conditions.

00:14:32.000 Now, it is more expensive than ever to have children in America.

00:14:36.000 In 1985, it took 32 to 34 weeks of labor to sustain a family of four.

00:14:42.000 Now, it takes 54 weeks of labor to sustain a family of four.

00:14:47.000 Yes, I know there's only 52 weeks in a year.

00:14:50.000 What does that mean?

00:14:51.000 In order for just a single, that's just for one person, right?

00:14:55.000 They have to either go into debt or the other spouse has to go into the workforce.

00:15:00.000 And I don't think a family should have to choose between raising the child in the way that they see fit and also whether or not going into debt or all these different sorts of things.

00:15:10.000 By the way, those were pre-inflation numbers, just so you know.

00:15:12.000 So something that I push back against a lot is that we have to kind of live to those pesky shackles of reality, one of which is that men can't become women and women can't become men.

00:15:23.000 We could obviously have a lot of fun talking about that.

00:15:27.000 But if you believe that something that's just not true can become true, you also might indulge in really bad economic and fiscal policy as well.

00:15:34.000 The same people that believe that men can become women are the ones telling you that creating $8 trillion out of thin air is somehow going to make people wealthier.

00:15:42.000 Money is not wealth.

00:15:43.000 Money is a piece of paper.

00:15:45.000 It should hold value.

00:15:46.000 So what's one of the ways that we can hopefully make our generation have a higher likelihood of having buy-in into this society is how about the federal government stop creating and printing $6 trillion a year and pumping it into our economy and acting as if this is going to create wealth.

00:16:03.000 And what it does is it makes the people in this room significantly poorer and it makes a lot of the asset holders richer.

00:16:12.000 So certain people benefit from inflation.

00:16:15.000 Now, if you have student loan debt, you might actually benefit a little bit from inflation.

00:16:18.000 I'll tell you why.

00:16:19.000 If you have debt, you benefit from inflation.

00:16:23.000 Better yet, if you have debt plus a hard asset, you're the real winner.

00:16:27.000 Well, guess who that means?

00:16:28.000 Homeowners.

00:16:29.000 Most students out there, you probably don't own homes.

00:16:33.000 I probably wrong.

00:16:33.000 Maybe you do.

00:16:34.000 You probably don't.

00:16:35.000 So when inflation happens, your $500,000 mortgage, because the money supply is increasing so much, it's actually a smaller debt burden versus the amount of money in the economy.

00:16:45.000 So it goes down by 10%, even though it stays the same, because there's more dollars out there.

00:16:51.000 And all the while, the asset gets more valuable.

00:16:54.000 So home prices go up and there's more dollar bills.

00:16:57.000 So the debt that you incurred actually isn't the same sort of, let's say, the same sort of burden on you that it would have been the year prior.

00:17:05.000 Now, the other thing that's really interesting is this was all predicted and we saw this coming.

00:17:10.000 Corporate borrowing increased by $700 billion in the midst of the pandemic.

00:17:15.000 I want you to think about that.

00:17:16.000 So corporations saw an opportunity.

00:17:18.000 They said, wow, interest rates will never get this low again.

00:17:20.000 We're going to go borrow as much money as possible.

00:17:23.000 And then the interest rate will be so low, our growth rate will exceed the interest rate.

00:17:26.000 We're going to play with house money.

00:17:28.000 Now, for a lot of you students out there, like interest rates, I wasn't even allowed to leave my home.

00:17:32.000 You know, I had to wear a mask all day long.

00:17:34.000 By definition, you were disenfranchised from economic conditions because you just didn't have the material ability to enter into the economy as other people who were older than you.

00:17:43.000 That needs to be, I think, substantially addressed.

00:17:46.000 I have advocated for a national recovery program, a national recovery program of intergenerational healing that addresses the rise in depression, suicide, mental health issues, alcohol addiction, social isolation, and the economic uncertainty facing young people.

00:18:01.000 I stopped very short of some of the more radical proposals like taking money away.

00:18:05.000 I think that's unnecessarily Bolshevikian. 0.96

00:18:09.000 I will say, though, that rewarding good behavior is something that we should start to entertain as conservatives.

00:18:15.000 I'll give you an example.

00:18:16.000 If you want to start a business instead of going to college, there should be an opportunity for you to be able to get a low to zero interest rate loan to be able to start a business.

00:18:23.000 We need a lot more entrepreneurs and a lot less people going to college.

00:18:27.000 The government could do that in an instant.

00:18:29.000 And I believe it should.

00:18:30.000 Okay, so yeah, I kind of hit all these points here.

00:18:34.000 So let's get into some questions.

00:18:35.000 And I want to thank you guys again for being here.

00:18:38.000 I'll stay as long as I can.

00:18:39.000 And thank you.

00:18:40.000 Even though you might have disagreed with everything I just said, respectfully allow me to kind of finish those opening remarks.

00:18:45.000 We're going to have a question line right down the middle.

00:18:47.000 Is that right, Mackenzie?

00:18:48.000 Okay, so this tends to be a little bit of a conservative audience.

00:18:52.000 I can't quite tell by some of the golf claps all the way in the back.

00:18:55.000 But if you are a conservative, please do not heckle.

00:19:01.000 Please do not use profanity or interrupt people when they ask questions.

00:19:06.000 Allow people to ask a question, allow them to get it out.

00:19:08.000 We, at conservative events, we want to show respect to people on the left that sometimes they don't always grant to us, especially as we're here at UC Berkeley, the capital of free speech, whatever that might mean.

00:19:18.000 All right, so you can start a line right there, single file.

00:19:21.000 I see some familiar faces actually from our tabling today.

00:19:24.000 One of the libertarian friends, I think that's right.

00:19:26.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:19:27.000 Bright lights here.

00:19:28.000 And so if you have a question, you can come up.

00:19:30.000 Again, questions, not statements, please.

00:19:33.000 We want to get to as many questions as possible.

00:19:36.000 And let's get started.

00:19:39.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:19:40.000 I'm a young conservative guy in the bluest state in the country in a big blue city.

00:19:45.000 So dating is a struggle.

00:19:52.000 So what's your advice to young conservatives that are red specs in a sea of blue?

00:19:59.000 And also, how do you feel about dating apps?

00:20:00.000 Yeah, so I'm not a huge fan of dating apps, but so I will have an opinion here that will really get people.

00:20:08.000 You should not date people that have different politics than you.

00:20:12.000 You should not.

00:20:13.000 And I'm not, and the reason I believe you should date with the intent to marry.

00:20:19.000 I don't think date is a hobby.

00:20:20.000 I think dating is an interview process.

00:20:23.000 And I know that is a minority opinion on most college campuses where date is a mechanism for, I don't know, companionship, amongst other things.

00:20:31.000 And so I believe that you in Berkeley, it's going to be tough.

00:20:35.000 You're going to have to hopefully only date people in alignment with your values, right?

00:20:38.000 That doesn't mean you can't have friends with people that disagree with you, but dating is a very serious thing.

00:20:43.000 So how do you go about doing that?

00:20:45.000 Well, thankfully, at Turning Point USA, all the conservatives at the front have red shirts on, so maybe you can introduce yourself to somebody.

00:20:54.000 But yeah, look, I will say this: that try to associate or marry or date somebody that does share your deeply held values.

00:21:01.000 I think that's very, very important.

00:21:04.000 And secondly, I will say this: which is men in general who have difficulty finding women generally have a couple problems.

00:21:13.000 And this is not directed towards you.

00:21:14.000 I just met you.

00:21:15.000 Okay, so please, we're good if I say this.

00:21:17.000 Most men are beta males, okay?

00:21:17.000 Okay.

00:21:20.000 With very little to any, very little to any detectable testosterone.

00:21:26.000 Like the radar is trying their best.

00:21:30.000 Men, I believe, especially in this time of moral and societal chaos, need to get back into what it means to be a spiritually, physically, and mentally strong man, which I believe, which I believe includes stopping watching pornography, which I believe means working out on a regular basis.

00:21:50.000 And I believe also understanding that the most desirable quality that young ladies look for in men, according to my big survey of all of our listeners, is self-control.

00:22:02.000 Is that young ladies say that they cannot find a young man who can control himself?

00:22:07.000 That's a big deal.

00:22:08.000 And we believe as Christians that self-control is a fruit of the spirit.

00:22:13.000 Happy to get into the theology of that.

00:22:15.000 I'm sure there might be some curiosity in that.

00:22:18.000 So put that all together.

00:22:19.000 What are you supposed to do?

00:22:21.000 Try to be the best version of yourself, both mentally, spiritually, and physically.

00:22:27.000 And then be very clear with women and respectfully about what you want and your intent.

00:22:33.000 A lot of men are intimidated by women.

00:22:35.000 And I get it.

00:22:36.000 It's because our entire culture has basically turned men to be intimidated by women.

00:22:41.000 They might accuse you of something or whatever.

00:22:43.000 I would encourage you to be very direct.

00:22:45.000 Don't try this all like, yeah, we're going to try the friend thing for a while.

00:22:49.000 Like, just be a man and say, I like you.

00:22:51.000 I want to take on a date.

00:22:52.000 Like, does that happen anymore?

00:22:53.000 Maybe it does.

00:22:54.000 Probably not a lot.

00:22:55.000 And so, yeah, and then if that doesn't work, man, move to Birmingham, Alabama.

00:23:00.000 You'll find a wife in like an afternoon. 1.00

00:23:02.000 God bless you.

00:23:03.000 Thank you.

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00:24:19.000 Okay.

00:24:20.000 I mean, I agree with your diagnosis of the problem.

00:24:24.000 I just feel like when I see economic policy proposed by people associated with turning points, that I see that it feels like, like, for example, the tax bill that passed, I guess, however many years in the Trump tax plan, it felt like a lot of the policies were, like, tax rates went up after Trump left office.

00:24:45.000 There were tax cuts for people who, like, it feels like the door is being closed on me.

00:24:50.000 And so I feel pressure to vote against people who are trying to close the door against young people like me.

00:24:57.000 Okay, yeah, that's a fair question.

00:24:58.000 So it was a mixed bag.

00:24:59.000 So part of the bill really hurt people in California.

00:25:02.000 I'm not going to lie.

00:25:03.000 It raised taxes on you because it got rid of your state and local deductions.

00:25:07.000 There's a reason for that.

00:25:08.000 The reason the federal government would make for that is why should we subsidize your high taxes while other states can get their fiscal house in order? 0.53

00:25:15.000 So that's a pretty good argument.

00:25:16.000 I'm not going to lie that someone in Texas doesn't get the same sort of tax benefit that you get in California.

00:25:21.000 The inverse is like, you're a young person.

00:25:22.000 You didn't, maybe you chose to live here, maybe not.

00:25:25.000 There were some benefits to the tax bill.

00:25:27.000 I think it unnecessarily pandered to big corporations that hate our values.

00:25:30.000 I'll be very honest.

00:25:32.000 Corporations hate conservative values.

00:25:34.000 A lot of them are incredibly woke.

00:25:35.000 Why we went out of our way to try to lower corporate tax rates that hate us is beyond me.

00:25:40.000 Not because I don't think it's good economics.

00:25:42.000 I just don't think it's good for the country to give more money to companies that are giving $100 million to BLM.

00:25:47.000 Like, not exactly something I think we should go out of our way for.

00:25:50.000 There are some other provisions, though, in the tax bill that aren't talked about, such as increasing the standardized middle-income middle-class deduction for having children.

00:25:58.000 It was a marginal increase.

00:25:59.000 It wasn't that significant.

00:26:01.000 But here's something that you and I could probably agree on, which is, okay, you look at, you're trying to make a political decision, right?

00:26:05.000 Republican and Democrat.

00:26:07.000 You're like, wow, Republicans control the House and the Senate and the presidency, and that's the best you can do.

00:26:11.000 I agree, that's an incredibly underwhelming policy accomplishment if that's the best you can do.

00:26:16.000 Meanwhile, in my personal opinion, you do nothing on the southern border, right?

00:26:19.000 You do nothing meaningful to address our drug overdose problems in our country.

00:26:23.000 Nothing meaningful to address student debt or the scam of college.

00:26:26.000 Nothing meaningful to address some of these other systemic issues.

00:26:29.000 And so I think it was designed by lobbyists for major corporations.

00:26:34.000 And I do agree with a lot of the economics of it.

00:26:36.000 I think that there is something to be said to open up, you know, supply side to help production and all that.

00:26:36.000 Let me be clear.

00:26:42.000 But I think it's lost a lot of the times.

00:26:44.000 I think demand side is compelling at times.

00:26:46.000 It's overindulged upon, I think, by certain liberal economists.

00:26:50.000 But it's hard to disagree with you that that tax bill probably didn't speak with you.

00:26:55.000 I'm not going to stand up here and say it's the greatest bill ever.

00:26:58.000 There were some good provisions for it.

00:27:00.000 There were some questionable ones.

00:27:01.000 But I think that we look at that.

00:27:04.000 I am frustrated that that has to be the piece of legislation that I, as a conservative, have to say, oh, yeah, go give us political power back and you get more of that.

00:27:12.000 Like, really?

00:27:13.000 I think Republicans watching need to realize you guys have to do a lot better than just cutting corporate taxes for Google and Facebook and Amazon.

00:27:20.000 Thank you.

00:27:24.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:27:25.000 I appreciate you taking the time.

00:27:26.000 Did we talk earlier?

00:27:27.000 Yes.

00:27:28.000 Yeah.

00:27:28.000 Hi again.

00:27:29.000 I'm going to change your clothes.

00:27:32.000 I'm going to ask another question about healthcare.

00:27:35.000 All right.

00:27:36.000 So you I've been hearing you in the news ripping Biden over inflation and I think some of that stems from government spending coming out of the pandemic if you were facing Armageddon people were I mean we really didn't know anything about COVID at the beginning of at the beginning of 2020.

00:27:55.000 Would you have not done any government spending sending out the stimulus checks and right now Biden's proposing to cap the price of insulin and another thing that you talked about was student debt and you didn't mention any student debt forgiveness.

00:28:09.000 I'd love to hear your thoughts on that because that seems like a quick and easy way to get people into the market of buying a home.

00:28:17.000 Okay, a lot there.

00:28:18.000 So let's start.

00:28:19.000 I've been consistent throughout the entire time.

00:28:21.000 You guys can dig up my podcast from two years ago.

00:28:24.000 I've been against every form of lockdown and all government spending and the stimulus bill all throughout the entire time.

00:28:29.000 I think it was a mistake.

00:28:31.000 I reject the premise that it was Armageddon.

00:28:34.000 We did know a lot about the virus about two to three weeks in.

00:28:37.000 We had the Diamond Princess cruise ship actually not too far off San Francisco Bay where we had an isolated incident that was very contained, spread of COVID.

00:28:45.000 And actually those modeling of infection rate and death rate actually modeled really well for across the country throughout the pandemic, which showed a very low death rate, high transmissibility rate.

00:28:56.000 I personally believe that there was a concerted war by pharmaceutical companies to restrict the discussion and the spread of early intervention treatments that have proven to be very, very helpful and successful, such as hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, azithromycin, intravenous therapy, ozone, monoclonal antibodies.

00:29:15.000 And so let's take one that's less controversial, right?

00:29:17.000 Vitamin D. There's over 150 studies that show that if you have a vitamin D level over 50, that you have a much higher chance of surviving with COVID and not even getting a significant risk of COVID.

00:29:29.000 Our public health officials very well could have run TV ads that I didn't see that said, hey, check your vitamin D level like you check your credit score and get a free vitamin D booster shot.

00:29:39.000 That alone could have prevented millions of cytokosine storms because a vitamin D is an interrupter that gets in the way of what is the most, is the harshest reaction and the most severe reaction that came from the virus.

00:29:51.000 So the same scientist that said the vaccine was great.

00:29:54.000 Hold on.

00:29:55.000 I mean, let me finish.

00:29:57.000 Hold on a second.

00:29:58.000 So the other part to student loan forgiveness, so I'll actually finish with this.

00:30:04.000 So on the healthcare part, no lockdowns ever.

00:30:06.000 The best stimulus to the economy should have been reopening the economy quickly.

00:30:09.000 Creating money out of thin air was wasteful.

00:30:11.000 It was wrong.

00:30:12.000 It rewarded bad behavior.

00:30:14.000 Paying people not to work, pay people staying at home was wrong from the beginning.

00:30:18.000 It never should have been done at all whatsoever.

00:30:21.000 And so, yeah, that's my statement on that.

00:30:24.000 And therefore, the regime, both parties, but mostly the left, especially recently, created $7 trillion, $67 trillion of new government spending the last two years, pumps that money into the economy.

00:30:34.000 That's why you're seeing everything that you could touch or use go up dramatically, right?

00:30:39.000 Pork, beef, gas prices, homes, anything where there's a finite amount, it goes up dramatically.

00:30:45.000 In fact, we have so many dollar bills that we start to see things that are otherwise rather not very valuable skyrocket.

00:30:52.000 Very risky cryptocurrencies.

00:30:54.000 I'm only talking about Bitcoin or Ethereum.

00:30:55.000 I'm talking about crypto we never heard before because there's so many dollar bills.

00:30:58.000 They're trying to find a home.

00:31:00.000 Okay, to your second question about student loan forgiveness, right?

00:31:03.000 Okay, I'm a very, I'm a huge opponent to student loan forgiveness.

00:31:06.000 Let me tell you why.

00:31:08.000 I do not believe that we should penalize young people that got scholarships, went to community colleges first, or did not go to college altogether.

00:31:16.000 Forgiving student loan loans, by definition, would be penalizing other students that made other decisions not to go to as expensive schools, going to community college, work their way through college, got academic scholarships, took AP classes, took honors classes, and managed their student lett burden, their student debt burden.

00:31:35.000 And so while it's attractive to say, yeah, let's just kind of forgive that debt, let's just wipe it out.

00:31:40.000 The moral question is, what kind of behavior do you want to reward, right?

00:31:44.000 Now, I do not believe rewarding going to UC Berkeley to go study North African lesbian poetry while somebody, you know, got works with their hands to become a plumber, electrician, or carpenter. 0.73

00:31:55.000 How they look, they say, wait a second, why do they get the handout?

00:31:58.000 Just because they went to Berkeley and took all those classes and I didn't?

00:32:01.000 So it is by definition unfair.

00:32:03.000 Really quick follow-up and I'm going to get to the next person.

00:32:05.000 Yeah, sure.

00:32:06.000 I mean, a plumber, a plumber might have to go into a profession because they can't get, they can't afford college.

00:32:16.000 So the prohibitive cost of college factors into the problem.

00:32:20.000 And if you don't have any student loan debt forgiveness, you're getting into the problem that you were talking about earlier where people have been lied to.

00:32:27.000 They have been.

00:32:28.000 And so you're not going to help them out if they've been lied to?

00:32:32.000 Like if they've been lied to by the government, why wouldn't you help them out?

00:32:35.000 Well, I think helping them out would be opening the economy and not forgiving the debt burden.

00:32:39.000 I mean, by helping them out, I think there's ways to do it while also enshrining a basic principle that I believe in, which is individual responsibility, which is, I feel sorry for you, you were scammed, but you also signed on the dotted line at fastfa.gov and you decided to go borrow $65,000.

00:32:55.000 And I do not believe that it is the role of government nor the correct moral thing to do to completely wash that away because there still needs to be individual responsibility built into that.

00:33:06.000 So the second part of your question with the plumber thing, which is we have way too many people going to college.

00:33:06.000 Okay?

00:33:11.000 College is completely overrated for a lot of different fields and studies of industry.

00:33:16.000 We have a massive underemployment problem for electricians and carpenters, police officers, firefighters, and people in the muscular class in our country.

00:33:23.000 And the reason is this, is from the time you get into grade school, you look up at the wall and they have all these pennants, right, of all the different banners of colleges you could go to.

00:33:32.000 We are told a lie that going to college is going to make you wealthier and happier and more likely to succeed.

00:33:37.000 The data just doesn't pan out on that.

00:33:39.000 When you have more of something, it's actually worth less.

00:33:41.000 So everyone gets a college degree.

00:33:43.000 It's kind of like, okay, now what?

00:33:44.000 What's your differentiator, right?

00:33:46.000 Where actually what we've done, because we look down on the muscular trades in our country, you might not want to admit it, but it's true.

00:33:52.000 We don't look very highly at the plumber, the electrician, the person that sweats while they work, is we have a massive problem actually finding people to fill those jobs.

00:34:00.000 When in reality, a lot of people that were told to go to college in the first place should actually been pushed towards those jobs and encouraged to take them in the first place.

00:34:06.000 Thank you for your question.

00:34:07.000 We got to get to the next one.

00:34:08.000 Thank you.

00:34:12.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:34:13.000 I'm sorry, could you raise the mic a little bit?

00:34:14.000 Thank you.

00:34:16.000 You're the libertarian, right?

00:34:17.000 Yeah.

00:34:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:19.000 Am I right?

00:34:21.000 So I just had a question about what conservatism's point is in the modern day.

00:34:27.000 Because 40 years ago, when Reagan entered and won that landslide election, he campaigned on three main points, lowering taxes, increasing military spending, and putting back morals in society, whatever.

00:34:38.000 And there were specific policy points behind that.

00:34:40.000 And for 30 or so years, that kind of dominated the political spectrum.

00:34:44.000 And the left was forced to respond to that.

00:34:46.000 They didn't have many points of their own.

00:34:48.000 The problem now I see among conservatives is they don't actually have policy points of their own.

00:34:53.000 The left drives the policy agenda.

00:34:55.000 They drive the agenda on Medicare for all.

00:34:57.000 They drive the agenda on Green New Deal.

00:34:59.000 And the question I have to ask is, as someone who's not directly a conservative, as someone who just looks out on the political spectrum, is the right doesn't actually, it looks to me that like they don't actually have like a point of existence.

00:35:11.000 They just respond to whatever.

00:35:13.000 So there's some truth to that.

00:35:15.000 So let me first tell you why, and then I'll dive into what I believe the conservative movement needs to articulate better.

00:35:21.000 The reason why is because when you believe in less government, there's a temptation just to kind of stick with we're going to do nothing and just kind of let you live your life, right?

00:35:29.000 So that by definition, you're kind of non-interventionist by a public policy standpoint, where the other side, their belief system is to continue to expand government and strengthen the Leviathan and give stuff out to people.

00:35:39.000 So that's the first reason why, but that's not a good excuse.

00:35:41.000 It isn't.

00:35:42.000 So what does conservatism stand for right now?

00:35:45.000 Well, the bumper sticker is to conserve the good, the true, and the beautiful, one of which is the country.

00:35:50.000 I think it's alarming and wrong and awful that if the border policy continues as it is, one in five Americans will be illegal in three years.

00:35:59.000 There's something deeply troubling and wrong about that.

00:36:02.000 This is where I think Donald Trump was at his best.

00:36:04.000 He told you exactly what he wanted to do.

00:36:06.000 Didn't execute on it, I think, as well as a lot of us would have liked, which is we're going to build a southern border wall.

00:36:10.000 We're going to be able to control who comes into our country. 1.00

00:36:13.000 And that's something that obviously was compelling enough to be able to win the presidency.

00:36:18.000 But more broadly, I think that conservatism, and I'll push back a little bit, conservatism is finding a very strong moral center, but there's two parts to this, okay?

00:36:26.000 The first is defeating the woke, okay?

00:36:28.000 That's very similar to what Ronald Reagan did in 1980 when he opposed, or 1980 election, 1984 election, opposing the Soviet Union, right?

00:36:36.000 So for example, I think looting is wrong.

00:36:38.000 I think we should not defund the police.

00:36:39.000 I don't think men could become pregnant.

00:36:41.000 I'm against black-only dormitories. 1.00

00:36:42.000 We need to crush those beliefs, okay?

00:36:44.000 Now, that's not enough to be able to govern.

00:36:47.000 It isn't.

00:36:48.000 That's enough to be able to oppose, but it's really important to oppose those things.

00:36:52.000 That's why I can find, I'm like, all of a sudden, weird allies with like Bill Maher, Joe Rogan, and Elon Musk.

00:36:59.000 Someone, I probably don't agree with them a lot, but we all agree that kind of the woke industrial complex and those idea pathogens, if you will, have such damage.

00:37:07.000 The second part is where it gets a little trickier, right?

00:37:09.000 What are you actually going to do if you get political power?

00:37:12.000 So let me tell you who I think is doing it well and someone who I think we can look to and say, wow, that's meaningful.

00:37:17.000 Ron DeSantis in Florida is a great example of what I think the future of conservatism looks like.

00:37:23.000 You might say, Charlie, what is that?

00:37:25.000 A strong and unapologetic defense saying that five-year-olds are not going to be taught about gender transitioning or lesbian sex.

00:37:32.000 Saying that we're not going to allow, we are going to harshly prosecute interstate trafficking of people coming into our state to try to riot.

00:37:40.000 Ron DeSantis has just allocated $70 million more to a fatherhood initiative to try to rebuild the family in Florida, remaining wide open, being against vaccine mandates, all these things.

00:37:50.000 So I want to get out of the clouds kind of like what you do and say, show me the money.

00:37:54.000 Well, the money is a state that used to be considered to be a tilt-left state that is now the freest, most open, prosperous state in the country, and one of the most desirable places to live thanks to leadership.

00:38:05.000 And that leader is Ron DeSantis, who I think can teach us a lot about the future of American conservatism.

00:38:10.000 Thank you for your question.

00:38:11.000 I appreciate that.

00:38:16.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:38:17.000 Hope you're doing well.

00:38:18.000 So as you can see, media here.

00:38:20.000 Okay.

00:38:21.000 With the Free Peach, our satirical organization here.

00:38:24.000 Oh, you're satirical?

00:38:25.000 We were hoping to talk to you about this.

00:38:27.000 Is the mask satire too?

00:38:32.000 I'm really ugly, but besides that, something that I was hoping to talk to you about is you really emphasize, you know, Christian values, right?

00:38:41.000 And, you know, if Jesus doesn't return this year, which hopefully he does, you'll have another year to help educate the young public on American values.

00:38:50.000 And in the past, you've expressed a lot of support for a free K through 12 alternative to curriculum that provides an American-first re-education.

00:38:59.000 Can you elaborate?

00:39:01.000 Can you elaborate on your support for re-education camps?

00:39:04.000 First of all, just some kind of like spiritual word to the wise.

00:39:10.000 Wouldn't make a habit out of committing blasphemy against Jesus Christ in Holy Week.

00:39:14.000 Not exactly something I would do, but you obviously know better than I do.

00:39:18.000 So good luck with that.

00:39:19.000 I'll pray for you.

00:39:20.000 Oh, you don't believe in God, probably.

00:39:23.000 So, yeah, I think that we should teach children to love America, and we should be unapologetic about that, and we need to create good citizens.

00:39:29.000 And what you're referring to is a turning point-you say, initiative that will happen, where we are going to empower families across America to be able to have a go-to resource to be able to properly teach the Constitution, the Federalist Papers, the Declaration of Independence, Abraham Lincoln, and the beauty of Western civilization.

00:39:47.000 Thank you for being here tonight.

00:39:48.000 I appreciate it.

00:39:50.000 We're going to get to the next question.

00:39:52.000 Thank you.

00:39:54.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:39:56.000 I am also pressed.

00:39:58.000 And you talked a little bit about how strongly religious.

00:40:02.000 Prefer not to say.

00:40:04.000 Strongly religious.

00:40:06.000 And you also, you know, talk about Holy Week.

00:40:09.000 I was just wondering if you think about Ronald Reagan, the president, and would you think that he's looking up at you right now with pride from down there?

00:40:19.000 Yeah, so that's so you believe in hell?

00:40:23.000 You do?

00:40:24.000 I'm asking you.

00:40:25.000 Because that's what you said looking up, right?

00:40:25.000 I'm saying, do you believe?

00:40:27.000 Well, I believe Ronald Reagan was saved by grace.

00:40:29.000 And so, look, I'm not going to take this line of questioning too seriously, but here's what I will say: there is a God.

00:40:36.000 He made you.

00:40:37.000 He loves you.

00:40:38.000 And I pray he'll give your life to his son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

00:40:43.000 Thank you.

00:40:50.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:40:51.000 First of all, nice to meet you.

00:40:53.000 I want to say that I'm following your videos all the way from Israel.

00:40:57.000 And when I moved to the U.S., it was one of my dreams to come and see you talking.

00:41:01.000 So thank you for that.

00:41:07.000 One more thing that I wanted to say is that I really took something that you said in one of your videos about taking a year gap.

00:41:14.000 Yes.

00:41:14.000 Speaking back to the guy with the yellow.

00:41:16.000 So I'm a contractor and I'm taking that gap in order to save money, in order to go back to school.

00:41:23.000 And I know how much we need more plumbers, more electricians, more carpenters, more people that work on framing.

00:41:30.000 I build houses from A to Z.

00:41:31.000 So I know the demand.

00:41:34.000 That's about that.

00:41:35.000 And then I wanted to thank you for preaching all your wisdom with us because without your advice, I wouldn't be here today.

00:41:43.000 So thank you.

00:41:44.000 Thank you very much.

00:41:45.000 One more thing that I wanted to say is that I wanted to mention a couple of names.

00:41:53.000 Barak Lopin, Tomir Morad, Itam McGinnie, Doisbas, Rabbi Moshe Kavinsky, and one second.

00:42:02.000 Loren Itzrak, Menachem Hezkel, Amir Khoui, Rabbi Yaakov Shalom, and Yazan Falach and Shirel Abukarat.

00:42:13.000 Have I ever heard of them?

00:42:14.000 No, no.

00:42:15.000 They were murdered last week in a terror attack in Israel.

00:42:18.000 And not a lot of people know that, but I want to thank you for all your advocacy for Israel.

00:42:24.000 Thank you.

00:42:24.000 What you're doing for us.

00:42:26.000 And thank you so much.

00:42:27.000 And I want to ask you, that's for the question.

00:42:30.000 Sorry for that.

00:42:31.000 Yeah, just their names were very important.

00:42:34.000 May their memory be a blessing.

00:42:35.000 What's your question?

00:42:35.000 And thank you.

00:42:36.000 What do you think that can be done that America can do in order to restore the peace that Donald Trump brought to the area?

00:42:45.000 Obviously, we had a great time while Donald Trump was the president.

00:42:48.000 And right now, the world is kind of like...

00:42:51.000 In chaos, yeah.

00:42:53.000 Changing the president would help, that's for certain.

00:42:55.000 My goodness.

00:42:59.000 He did the impossible deal.

00:43:01.000 He got no credit for it.

00:43:02.000 You know it.

00:43:03.000 He brought Israel and UAE to the table and had a détente.

00:43:08.000 I'm not going to over, I'm not going to spend too much time on this, but it's very simple.

00:43:11.000 Is that as long as the Iranian regime is what it is, they cannot be allowed to get to a nuclear weapon. 0.93

00:43:17.000 And uniting the Middle East and their partners against Iran is very, very important.

00:43:22.000 Now, I admit that it's because of American intervention that the Iranian regime is what it is. 0.95

00:43:26.000 However, we have to deal with what currently is there.

00:43:29.000 But Iran getting a nuclear weapon would spell disaster for the modern and industrialized world. 0.95

00:43:34.000 Thank you.

00:43:35.000 I appreciate that.

00:43:39.000 Hey, Charlie, hope Berkeley's treating you well as much as it can be.

00:43:44.000 I know it can be daunting at times.

00:43:45.000 I feel that, including.

00:43:47.000 So I was originally going to ask you a question about socialized healthcare, but someone else did that.

00:43:50.000 So I wanted to pivot to basically media, especially for kids.

00:43:56.000 And my question was, you see cartoons like Paw Patrol, for example, Peppa the Pig.

00:44:02.000 I mean, like, her dad is.

00:44:04.000 And also just some other things too.

00:44:06.000 And my question was: how are these authoritarian figures in these shows, how are they contributing to the downfall and the sexual deviation of our society, especially within Peppa the Pig and the daddy pig, especially?

00:44:19.000 And because one more thing is just the daughter, right?

00:44:24.000 I mean, just a daughter in general.

00:44:26.000 You can see you, I mean.

00:44:28.000 I can't tell if you're like a caricature of yourself, man, or if this is like a real question.

00:44:31.000 I'm not going to lie.

00:44:33.000 Anyways, but just was wondering just about the sexual deviation and deviancy and like Nickelodeon and Disney, because it is wild.

00:44:39.000 And I think it's a stop.

00:44:40.000 Thank you.

00:44:41.000 Yeah, so I can't tell if you're telling this question in good faith, but I'll answer it in good faith. 0.76

00:44:44.000 Disney sucks, and Disney should be boycotted by every decent person in the country.

00:44:49.000 And what Disney has done and what they do is a disaster. 0.98

00:44:56.000 So can't tell if you believe what you believe or you're a satirist or whatever, but you almost pulled it off.

00:45:02.000 Thanks for being here.

00:45:03.000 Next question.

00:45:07.000 Hey, Charlie, hope you're doing well.

00:45:09.000 Oh, quick question.

00:45:10.000 Are you going to be back here tomorrow on the 2020s?

00:45:14.000 But I will make a free promotion for Seth Gruber, who's coming to campus tomorrow for a pro-life event.

00:45:19.000 So you guys should go to that.

00:45:21.000 I'm very disappointed I missed speaking with you.

00:45:24.000 But okay, my question is...

00:45:27.000 No, no, length.

00:45:29.000 My question is, so you talk a lot about how you're talking to people on campus and how now that people are like atheists or agnostic, they don't really have like moral backing for, or they don't have backing for their morals because they don't have religion.

00:45:42.000 And it's just sort of like an opinion war.

00:45:44.000 Don't you think that religion is, in some sense, even has less backing than opinion?

00:45:50.000 Because there's no evidence for your opinion.

00:45:52.000 There's no way to logically reason through your opinion.

00:45:55.000 You just refer to a book written 2,000 years ago and you're like, this is the word.

00:45:59.000 Like nothing else matters.

00:46:00.000 Like just listen to what this book says.

00:46:03.000 It seems like as a very evidence-based, logical type person like you, it doesn't make sense to just read morals and believe them.

00:46:11.000 Okay.

00:46:11.000 Yeah.

00:46:12.000 So the question is, you know, are the teachings of the Bible true?

00:46:15.000 That's a good question, right?

00:46:17.000 The answer is, of course.

00:46:18.000 I mean, if you look at the Decalogue, the Ten Commandments, you live your life by the Ten Commandments, you will flourish.

00:46:23.000 If you honor your parents, do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, if you honor the Sabbath, if you honor your Creator and have no gods before him, and you do that for a long period of time, that law is what will set you free.

00:46:36.000 So the question is, are the teachings of the Bible true?

00:46:39.000 And judge a tree by its fruit.

00:46:41.000 I mean, look at Western civilization.

00:46:43.000 We live in a pretty amazing civilization.

00:46:45.000 Separation of powers, consent to the govern, constitutional republic, independent judiciary, these things just don't kind of fall out of the sky.

00:46:52.000 Well, I guess you could say they fall like manna out of heaven, but I'm not sure you would agree at that.

00:46:56.000 But it came from the teachings of the Bible.

00:46:59.000 So there's a logical fallacy in your question, and I don't think you intended it.

00:47:02.000 Just because something is old doesn't mean it's untrue or that it's not beautiful.

00:47:07.000 Things that are old that last, that should actually make you appreciate them more, not less.

00:47:13.000 If something's able to have staying power for 2,000 years, that should make you take pause and say, I wonder why, throughout all of history, throughout the Enlightenment, post-Enlightenment, that people still believe in this book.

00:47:22.000 Maybe there's something that is speaking to the soul of the being, not just the reason itself.

00:47:29.000 But there is evidence for a higher transcendent being.

00:47:32.000 I can get into apologetics.

00:47:33.000 We can get into the evidence for the resurrection.

00:47:35.000 We can get into why I believe Jesus Christ rose from the dead.

00:47:38.000 We could talk about that and the very compelling historical evidence behind that.

00:47:41.000 But let's just talk about the creation of the universe.

00:47:43.000 A scientist will agree, even atheistic scientists, that the universe started at a specific moment.

00:47:48.000 There was the Big Bang.

00:47:50.000 In order to have physics be consistent, in order for something to happen, something must have caused that something to happen.

00:47:55.000 You would agree with that, right?

00:47:57.000 So an object at rest will stay at rest is a law of Newtonian physics, right?

00:48:01.000 Therefore, you can deduce very easily using logic.

00:48:04.000 If there was a starting point, there was something that made that starting point happen.

00:48:08.000 We as Christians call that God.

00:48:10.000 And therefore, if you have time and you have space and you have matter, you therefore then can deduce and use very basic logic.

00:48:17.000 In order for time, space, and matter to exist, you must have something that is timeless, spaceless, and transcends all those different things.

00:48:24.000 And we believe that to be God.

00:48:25.000 And so now to answer your final question, why do we keep on referring back to this book, as you say?

00:48:33.000 I'll defend the Bible a little better than that.

00:48:35.000 It's not just one book.

00:48:37.000 It's one author, but it's 66 books.

00:48:39.000 And it talks about everything.

00:48:40.000 If you go and apply the teachings of Proverbs to your life, you will flourish.

00:48:44.000 You'd be amazed at how many of the idioms and sayings you say to yourself are actually derived from biblical truth.

00:48:51.000 The Proverbs being a great example.

00:48:52.000 If you want to learn about the human condition, go read the story of David, the story of Solomon who wrote Proverbs.

00:48:57.000 There is an infinite fountain of wisdom in the Bible that I don't think gets a fair hearing at campuses like this all the time.

00:49:03.000 And in fact, a lot of the morality that you in this room believe to be true, such as the strong protecting the weak, defending children, not murdering, is derived from first the Torah and then the Bible in its entirety.

00:49:16.000 So quick follow-up?

00:49:17.000 Any thoughts really quick?

00:49:18.000 I want to get some other questions.

00:49:19.000 Yes, you just talked about Newtonian physics.

00:49:21.000 I'm really into physics.

00:49:22.000 Okay.

00:49:23.000 If you say that the universe was created by something and that thing is God, then what created God?

00:49:29.000 Right, exactly.

00:49:29.000 So it's always been.

00:49:31.000 And that's why we say it's infinite.

00:49:32.000 And that's where our human-sized brains struggle with the mystery of having to comprehend that.

00:49:38.000 Is that if we were able to understand how something could always be, then maybe we wouldn't ever have to have something that we as Christians believe is fundamental, which is faith.

00:49:47.000 We believe both faith and certainty create a beautiful life.

00:49:50.000 If we had all the answers all the time, you would be in an endless, let's say, hurricane of reason.

00:49:55.000 But faith is important.

00:49:56.000 Faith humbles you.

00:49:58.000 Not being able to articulate how something has always been, we believe that God to be infinite in a finite galaxy or universe is something that would then, by logical deduction, be able to transcend all those different things.

00:50:10.000 So thanks for your question.

00:50:11.000 I appreciate it.

00:50:16.000 Hey, Charlie, thanks for coming.

00:50:18.000 I want to ask some question about racism.

00:50:21.000 I know you've argued that systemic racism in the U.S. doesn't exist.

00:50:24.000 I wanted to point out some answers I think that's obviously wrong and see what you think about it.

00:50:28.000 So just starting with the issue of crime, we know for a fact, because it's been studied pretty extensively.

00:50:33.000 Black people and people who aren't black or white people use drugs, commit nonviolent drug offenses at pretty much the same rates. 0.52

00:50:40.000 Black people get arrested for these crimes about two to three times more often. 0.92

00:50:44.000 It's dropping now that we've legalized weed more in more and more states, which is a great thing that we've done. 0.90

00:50:49.000 Even if you say that like police are doing that not on purpose, but because they're just in areas where more violent crime is committed and they're controlling, isn't that an obvious example of something that black people have to deal with in this country that's much worse off for them than non-black people?

00:51:03.000 Okay.

00:51:04.000 No, but any other point you want to make about systemic racism?

00:51:08.000 So let me ask you a question.

00:51:09.000 You believe there's systemic racism? 1.00

00:51:11.000 Just like some, I would say that there's a lot of shit that black people have to deal with that makes them worse off in the country. 1.00

00:51:17.000 Okay, such as like having to be around police all the time. 0.99

00:51:21.000 Yeah, because if you're around police, not because police, but because we have like this, I think, like shitty law that you have to, that you're going to get arrested for committing a nonviolent drug crime.

00:51:31.000 So as an extension of that, you're around police more often.

00:51:33.000 You're more likely to be arrested for that crime.

00:51:35.000 So look, here's the thing. 0.90

00:51:37.000 So in 2018, blacks made up 53% of all the homicide offenders in America. 0.99

00:51:42.000 No one wants to say it out loud, but blacks commit more crimes than whites and Asians and Hispanics. 1.00

00:51:47.000 In fact, there's a disproportionate amount of crime committed by blacks in America. 1.00

00:51:50.000 And so therefore, you're going to have a heavier police presence. 0.96

00:51:53.000 And so why is that happening?

00:51:55.000 I believe there's a fatherless epidemic happening in America.

00:51:58.000 And I really don't have a soft spot for the argument like, hey, there's too many police around.

00:52:04.000 Therefore, I can't like deal crack without being interrupted.

00:52:07.000 Like not exactly very compelling to me.

00:52:10.000 Okay?

00:52:11.000 Now, secondly, let me say this, though, is that there are issues, if you want to just talk strictly racial, that are disproportionately affecting white America, such as opioids and fentanyl.

00:52:21.000 Not to say that blacks are not affected by this, but it is a disproportionate rural issue.

00:52:25.000 Now, why would that be?

00:52:27.000 Well, white individuals, because of the industrial kind of growth in America, were more likely to get involved in muscular trades in Ohio and Pennsylvania, especially in steel mill towns and such.

00:52:38.000 Therefore, they'd be more what?

00:52:39.000 Likely to get injured at work.

00:52:41.000 So you get likely to get injured at work because of the Sackler family, which you and I could probably agree are a bunch of criminals, who should be put in prison for a long period of time.

00:52:49.000 They started to over-prescribe oxycontin, oxycotin, I'm sorry, into the communities and therefore getting these people addicted to the high of an opioid and then searching for other places to go there.

00:53:01.000 So we could play these kind of racial games all the time.

00:53:03.000 Is it fair for someone in Southeast Ohio who's white, who was a son of a steel mill worker, and all these things, that they might have been more exposed to this sort of thing?

00:53:12.000 I think the hyper-racialization of all that is less important than the real, more fundamental question, which is why does race matter in any of this?

00:53:21.000 And I say it doesn't.

00:53:22.000 I don't like looking at people through a racial lens.

00:53:24.000 If you want to do that, which I said, the statistics are not good at all.

00:53:28.000 In fact, it shows that there's an under-policing problem in black neighborhoods across America.

00:53:32.000 In fact, 50% of homicides go unsolved in Chicago, 50% because of lack of detectives and lack of police in a lot of these areas.

00:53:40.000 And kind of for your daily thought crime, police prevent crime, and they did prevent crime in New York City.

00:53:46.000 New York City was one of the most dangerous, murderous cities in the 1980s and early 1990s.

00:53:51.000 And someone who I think it's unnecessarily mocked and smeared, Rudy Giuliani, became mayor and cleaned up that entire city.

00:53:57.000 And to his credit, liberal Democrat who ran for president, Mike Bloomberg, continued those policies.

00:54:04.000 And so, look, any thoughts on that really quick?

00:54:06.000 Because I want to get some other questions.

00:54:08.000 Yeah, I think I wasn't disagreeing at all that police do a lot of great work.

00:54:12.000 The only problem with that is that it's, is it true fact that a ballot, that a factual extension of the fact that police are in certain areas more often means that if society has shitty laws, those shitty laws are going to be enforced more often.

00:54:25.000 I think most people are.

00:54:25.000 Okay, because I don't think the law against, okay, sorry to interrupt, but I don't think a law against dealing crack is a bad law.

00:54:31.000 What about weed?

00:54:33.000 What about weed?

00:54:34.000 The same applies for weed.

00:54:35.000 You're much more likely to get arrested.

00:54:37.000 And even this isn't happening as much now.

00:54:38.000 It happened much more often in the past.

00:54:40.000 You're much more likely to get arrested.

00:54:42.000 So there's been plenty of studies done by Harvard and Maryland showing there's actually an under-policing problem in a lot of these communities.

00:54:50.000 You know, I could do statistics all day long because I'm sure that there's plenty that you could cite.

00:54:54.000 But first of all, I'm not a fan of legalizing marijuana.

00:54:56.000 I think it's a really bad idea.

00:54:58.000 But I can probably agree with you that there is a problem with locking people in prison for an extended period of time for using marijuana.

00:55:06.000 But there's another more fundamental question, which is this, which is you can get into sentencing, right?

00:55:10.000 Which is usually kind of a talking point, which is that the most important thing when it comes to, you know, your likelihood of going to jail if you commit a crime is less about your skin color and more about your wealth and how competent of a counsel you can hire, right?

00:55:24.000 And so, for example, LeBron James, if Bronnie gets caught dealing crack, which I don't think he will, he's going to have the best lawyer on the planet representing him that will be filing motions for dismissal, cross-examination of evidence, you know, all sorts of different things.

00:55:39.000 So it's less about race, isn't it?

00:55:41.000 I mean, if Denzel Washington kids or Oprah's God kids did that, it's more about really a wealth problem, right?

00:55:47.000 So then you say, well, it's because of racism.

00:55:48.000 Well, no, it's not.

00:55:49.000 Blaming wealth inequality between races, which I don't like doing, but if you want to play that game strictly on racism, is a sloppy way to look at things.

00:55:57.000 So the perspective we have is a perspective of Thomas Hole, Thomas Soule, which is you look at the whole body of work, you'll see that just because you have disparate outcomes does not mean you could solely blame discrimination.

00:56:10.000 And I'll prove it to you with one data point, then we'll move on, which is this, which is that you can have different data points that have outcomes, and there's other factors that play in.

00:56:18.000 So for example, San Francisco and New York are far wealthier than Missoula, Montana, and Birmingham, Alabama.

00:56:25.000 Why?

00:56:26.000 Someone would say racism.

00:56:27.000 Well, no, it's not.

00:56:29.000 Mountain towns and inland cities are just less likely to be around commerce and trade.

00:56:34.000 And port cities, by definition, are always wealthier.

00:56:36.000 That has nothing to do with race and everything to do with geography.

00:56:39.000 So what does that example have to do?

00:56:41.000 Sometimes you can have disparate outcomes with data, and attributing racism to it is actually not just imprudent, it's really, really detrimental and harmful.

00:56:50.000 So one thing that I would agree with that we need to do, put fathers back into the home, which is very, very important.

00:56:55.000 In 1965, marriage rates in the black community were about 80%.

00:57:01.000 Now it's plummeted down to 20% to 25%.

00:57:03.000 There's a lot of reasons for this: subsidizing single motherhood through the Great Society and many other things.

00:57:07.000 But there's other factors that play in.

00:57:09.000 How many words is a child hearing at home?

00:57:11.000 Is the child getting read to on a daily or weekly basis by parents?

00:57:15.000 Those things transcend race.

00:57:16.000 And in fact, the hyperfixation and kind of systemic racism, I think, kind of creates a smokescreen that disallows us from actually finding meaningful solutions to these problems.

00:57:23.000 So thank you.

00:57:24.000 We got to get to the next question.

00:57:25.000 Thank you.

00:57:25.000 Appreciate it.

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01:00:05.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:00:06.000 Obama shirt.

01:00:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:09.000 So I'm going to read off my phone because I wasn't really expecting to ask a question.

01:00:14.000 I completed my degree in economics last semester and I'm currently wrapping up my data science minor.

01:00:19.000 I was really with you about the fact that the material condition of a young adult now is much worse than that of a student 20 years ago.

01:00:25.000 You're making a lot of good points about the state of the society through an economic lens.

01:00:29.000 Thank you.

01:00:30.000 Unfortunately, we disagree on the reason for why we've done it to this point.

01:00:34.000 I feel that the problems we face today are rather a result of a shift in the American economic culture during the Reagan era when he promoted austerity and Reaganism economics.

01:00:43.000 Extreme wealth inequality isn't a new concept.

01:00:46.000 It's something that's been on trend for the past half century.

01:00:48.000 Don't you feel like the transfer of wealth you described earlier is a result of monetary policy enacted by politicians on both sides that cut spending for social services and keeps the effect at tax rate for the 1% low?

01:00:59.000 So you almost had me there.

01:01:00.000 Monetary policy, yes.

01:01:01.000 Cheap money benefits rich people.

01:01:03.000 It does, and it disincentivizes saving.

01:01:06.000 You also said, what was the other part?

01:01:07.000 You said the slashing social welfare benefits?

01:01:09.000 Right.

01:01:09.000 Yeah, you're not going to get me at that.

01:01:11.000 I do not believe that a heavy burden of social welfare is good for the human condition.

01:01:16.000 I don't think it materially has evidence to actually show people that elevate.

01:01:20.000 You know, kind of the one-liner that I think we use a lot is we want a safety, we want a safety net, not a hammock, right?

01:01:26.000 We don't want to get people addicted to government assistance.

01:01:28.000 Unfortunately, there's like 40 to 50 million Americans that are just perpetually on government assistance.

01:01:33.000 But something I think you and I could actually agree on is a proper diagnosis of the Reagan era.

01:01:37.000 I think Reagan's a mixed back. 0.99

01:01:39.000 I'm not someone who just defends him at all costs.

01:01:42.000 I think he was really good in the Soviet Union, generally good on anti-socialism and communism, but he also ushered in a lot of other things, such as incredibly radical abortion policy here in California.

01:01:51.000 But there was an agreement post-Reagan and kind of George H.W. Bush, which was kind of part of his regime, that I think you and I could agree on, which is that we really want to try to internationalize the American economy.

01:02:02.000 And there was a betrayal of the American worker, allowing China into the World Trade Organization in the late 90s, right? 0.90

01:02:07.000 The repealing of Glass-Steagall, which I'm against, just so we're clear, that I think that that was actually good to keep commercial and investment banking separate.

01:02:14.000 I think it created a massive moral hazard.

01:02:16.000 The lowering of interest rates unnecessarily throughout the 90s and early 2000s, which I think were all things that factored in some of these economic conditions that you talk about.

01:02:25.000 But I would be careful just kind of blaming only, that's not true.

01:02:29.000 You did say both parties, but it's not just, it was continued by Clinton a lot in the 90s as well.

01:02:33.000 But the question is, what do we want?

01:02:35.000 And this is something I can actually find common cause with a lot of people on the left is I look at middle class wages, how easy it is to have children, can you flourish and how many new businesses are we starting, right?

01:02:45.000 And I think under Donald Trump, which is something you'll definitely disagree with, those things actually were improving dramatically.

01:02:52.000 It was a blue-collar boom.

01:02:53.000 Middle-class wages were going up more than anyone realized.

01:02:57.000 In fact, the wage growth for middle-class workers and blue-collar workers far outpaced wage growth for the 1% at the top ladder of the economy.

01:03:05.000 Now, was it perfect?

01:03:05.000 Of course it wasn't.

01:03:06.000 I would have liked to see even harsher trade policies against China to actually prioritize our own industry and our own manufacturing.

01:03:14.000 The last thing I'll say is this: I think NAFTA was a disaster.

01:03:17.000 You may disagree or not agree.

01:03:19.000 The left can't really make up their mind on this.

01:03:21.000 They used to hate NAFTA.

01:03:22.000 Now they love NAFTA.

01:03:23.000 I think that the kind of bargain that was sold to us, which is we are going to send all of our labor through a massive arbitrage, close down our factories, send it to Wuhan, China, and get a bunch of plastic in return, was a bad deal for America.

01:03:37.000 And that did play in to a lot of the economic and income inequality we're seeing right now.

01:03:41.000 So I don't think we're that far off, to be perfectly honest.

01:03:44.000 I would just kind of push back a little bit on some of the critique of supply-side and market-based policy.

01:03:49.000 I think it's generally a good thing for society and does have some benefits.

01:03:52.000 So thank you.

01:03:53.000 I appreciate you being here.

01:03:54.000 Thank you.

01:03:58.000 Hey, Charlie.

01:03:59.000 So I remember you mentioning that you were concerned about family formation and home ownership.

01:04:07.000 Also, that we should incentivize more than we should be punitive in a government sense.

01:04:12.000 Yes, that's correct.

01:04:12.000 So then what should we respond to organizations such as BlackRock in the way that they're mass purchasing homes, often using government money as well to purchase hundreds of thousands of homes all over the United States?

01:04:26.000 If they're already in a position theoretically where they own over like 50% of the housing market, you have almost a sort of inverse situation to the student loan situation where they technically legally already own all these houses, yet what solutions can be offered from organizations such as TPUSA in response to those kind of actions?

01:04:47.000 Yeah, I won't go too deep in the policy side of it because I haven't really thought about it very much, but I agree.

01:04:51.000 I'm a huge critic of BlackRock.

01:04:52.000 I think it's a disaster what they're doing.

01:04:53.000 If you don't know what they're doing, they're buying up single-family homes all across America and then renting them back to you.

01:04:57.000 I do not want a nation of renters.

01:04:59.000 I want people that own stuff.

01:05:01.000 I think when you rent things endlessly, it creates radical politics and you just feel less connected to the society and the civilization that you're in.

01:05:08.000 What should we do about it?

01:05:09.000 I don't know.

01:05:11.000 But I do think having BlackRock dictating our politics via Larry Fink is very dangerous and wrong.

01:05:17.000 It is.

01:05:17.000 Now, that's just one of the things BlackRock is doing.

01:05:19.000 They're also doing this ESG nonsense where they're coming in and they're withdrawing funding from fracking and from oil and gas exploration because it doesn't meet their environmental standards.

01:05:29.000 BlackRock is more powerful than the government in some sense.

01:05:32.000 What to do about it?

01:05:33.000 I'm open to any solution.

01:05:35.000 There's not a lot, right?

01:05:36.000 People say, oh, break him up, use the government.

01:05:37.000 Well, that's the very same government that they own.

01:05:39.000 So it's kind of like, well, now what, right?

01:05:41.000 I'm not a fan of nationalizing homes.

01:05:42.000 Of course not. 1.00

01:05:43.000 That would be stupid and dumb. 1.00

01:05:44.000 Markets work and we should defend markets, especially when you have 330 million people with individual choices to make. 1.00

01:05:51.000 But we're left with very few options.

01:05:53.000 But I agree.

01:05:54.000 I will agree that BlackRock is a huge problem to young people buying homes.

01:06:00.000 And we as conservatives should be unafraid to say that.

01:06:02.000 So I don't like big government and I do not like big Wall Street business coming in, swooping in and buying up homes and then renting them back to young people before they even can get off the finish line.

01:06:10.000 I don't think it's right or it's fair.

01:06:12.000 Thank you.

01:06:12.000 I appreciate it.

01:06:18.000 Charlie, I just want to thank you for being here.

01:06:20.000 You know, I really agree with everything you have to say about restoring American morality.

01:06:25.000 And one of the things you say is that in order to restore our values and save America, that we have to quit pornography.

01:06:31.000 But I have a crippling porn addiction.

01:06:34.000 And so I just want to know how, thank you.

01:06:36.000 It's hard.

01:06:40.000 Yeah, look.

01:06:41.000 Look, you kind of revealed yourself with the mask that you're a satire.

01:06:44.000 There's no way you agree with everything that I'm saying.

01:06:47.000 But I will talk about this issue.

01:06:48.000 Porn destroys lives.

01:06:50.000 It's predatory. 0.57

01:06:51.000 It's not good for you.

01:06:52.000 There's no redemptive quality.

01:06:54.000 It's a serious issue.

01:06:55.000 It affects the brain harsher than heroin and then cocaine.

01:07:00.000 A lot of people struggle with it.

01:07:02.000 And I've talked openly about it in my life with the debate I had with the porn person, the transporn, whatever person that we debated recently.

01:07:09.000 You guys can check that out.

01:07:11.000 But look, I'll just tell you honestly, I think it's disgusting that you're coming up here and trying to create satire of life of something that destroys people's lives.

01:07:18.000 And I think that's really reprehensible.

01:07:19.000 So next question.

01:07:20.000 Thank you.

01:07:26.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:07:28.000 So I really enjoyed your talk.

01:07:31.000 I agree with a lot of, like, I actually agree with a lot of things you're saying.

01:07:34.000 Cool. 0.99

01:07:36.000 And because I know a lot of people have been saying that and just like, you know, it's like bullshit. 0.92

01:07:39.000 But I actually like exhibit A. 0.79

01:07:42.000 Yeah.

01:07:44.000 But I wanted to ask you a question.

01:07:45.000 So like what you said about monetary policy, about colleges, everything, it all makes sense.

01:07:50.000 But there's like one thing throughout the conversation and like kind of just throughout the event where there's like a big focus on the culture around the movement being Christianity.

01:08:02.000 And I have nothing against Christianity.

01:08:05.000 That's not what I'm saying.

01:08:06.000 But I'm not Christian.

01:08:07.000 I'm Jewish.

01:08:08.000 And like, so, and I'm proud of being Jewish.

01:08:10.000 So, and I, and I don't have anything against like, oh, people that are Christian in their values or whatever, but it's just that like, if you want people to kind of like fit into this movement, it seems like it's kind of like the religion of Christianity is kind of being forced on people.

01:08:26.000 So I, in not forced, but you know, it's just like it's very emphasized.

01:08:30.000 So is there room in this movement or like, you know, in what you're saying for there to be people of other religions that are not Christianity partners?

01:08:38.000 At Turning Point, we do a young Jewish leadership summit.

01:08:40.000 I mean, we do it every single year.

01:08:42.000 We believe in inclusive populism, right?

01:08:44.000 We believe in people of all different backgrounds and belief systems.

01:08:47.000 These are my opinions when it comes to religion and what I believe to be, you know, true.

01:08:53.000 And so you could make up your own mind on that.

01:08:55.000 But it's also, there's parts of things that I say that are factual, which is that the Bible did inspire our system of government.

01:09:01.000 The Bible did inspire, you know, our kind of structure of the West.

01:09:05.000 And something that you have common cause, you both and I together, is that the Torah was instrumental in the creation of America.

01:09:11.000 John Adams spoke fluent Hebrew.

01:09:13.000 I mean, on the libertarist, hell, you know, the founding fathers were awesome.

01:09:16.000 They put Leviticus on the liberty bell, okay?

01:09:19.000 Now, Leviticus, that's not exactly like passive reading, right?

01:09:24.000 It's not like Psalms.

01:09:24.000 You got to really get into it.

01:09:25.000 Leviticus 25.

01:09:27.000 And so, but look, I mean, the common phrase is that the West was a combination between Jerusalem and Athens.

01:09:32.000 But we live in a pluralistic society, right?

01:09:34.000 You can make up your own mind on these things.

01:09:37.000 But I also feel a moral obligation to also share my beliefs and my views on these things.

01:09:41.000 You could disagree with them, obviously.

01:09:43.000 But yeah, and just also kind of one final thing I'll say.

01:09:45.000 I've gotten more questions on the topic than I actually push forward from here.

01:09:49.000 If you kind of think back, the reason you keep on hearing it is because they keep on bringing it up to me and I'm not going to back down, you know, from these beliefs or where they come from.

01:09:56.000 So God bless you, man.

01:09:57.000 I appreciate it.

01:09:58.000 Thank you.

01:10:02.000 Hey, Charlie, how you doing?

01:10:04.000 I think so far I'm the second or third person who actually 100% agrees with you other than the first guy who's looking for that beautiful Republican girl.

01:10:12.000 Yeah, me too, man.

01:10:13.000 I've been looking, me too.

01:10:15.000 Me too.

01:10:16.000 So anyways, my question for you.

01:10:19.000 What do you think we can do about fuel prices?

01:10:21.000 Because someone like me, I'm rolling a 77 Chevy with a big block and I'm getting six miles per gallon.

01:10:27.000 It ain't too much fun.

01:10:29.000 Spending $250 to fill up both tanks, not how I want to spend my Saturday.

01:10:35.000 We need to drill.

01:10:36.000 We need to drill more and we need to explore American energy.

01:10:41.000 The environmentalist movement has done such damage to our country.

01:10:45.000 And this belief that the world is going to end in 10 years if we do not get rid of all fossil fuels.

01:10:52.000 It's not just pathological.

01:10:53.000 It's anti-science and it's harmful to humanity.

01:10:56.000 So what can we do about it?

01:10:57.000 We've got to complete the Keystone XL pipeline, approve more oil leases, expand exploration of the Permian in the Balkan and in the Marcellus Shale, the three largest deposits of oil and natural gas in America.

01:11:09.000 And then finally, we should have a specific policy that we are not going to buy energy from people who hate us while we have it under our own feet.

01:11:19.000 And so if that isn't persuasive to you, then I would love to hear the counter argument of why people oppose natural gas.

01:11:28.000 Natural gas is clean, it's abundant, it's widespread, and it is the envy of the world.

01:11:35.000 Our deposits of natural gas are the envy of the world, and we are intentionally not exploring them for reasons that can only be described as ideological, as believing that they're so harmful and so terrible that somehow the emissions of them are going to end the planet in 10 years.

01:11:52.000 We have an obligation, I believe, to allow human beings to flourish now.

01:11:57.000 And when you have to pay, what, $680 to fill up your Chevy, or $200, whatever, $80?

01:12:03.000 Yeah, a little bit of an exaggeration.

01:12:05.000 That makes your ability to flourish and actually travel and move harder.

01:12:08.000 And so our U.S. natural gas has actually helped lower carbon emissions in America over the last 30 years.

01:12:15.000 Carbon emissions went down because of how we expanded oil, mostly natural gas exploration in the last couple of years.

01:12:22.000 It's unique in the developed world in that sense.

01:12:24.000 So drill, baby, drill. 1.00

01:12:25.000 Thanks for your question.

01:12:26.000 I appreciate it.

01:12:30.000 Okay, thank you.

01:12:31.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:12:32.000 As you know, California is unfortunately not getting any more red, and more boomers and millennials are moving out of state. 0.96

01:12:40.000 However, I was just curious to know if you can see that though as an opportunity for Generation Z and us college students here to thrive here, more job opportunities, especially for future entrepreneurs.

01:12:51.000 Potentially.

01:12:52.000 Yeah, look, I'm not someone that says you should leave California automatically, but boy, is it difficult right now to flourish in this state with income tax rate, regulation, the burden of the public service bureaucracy?

01:13:03.000 How many of you plan to leave California after your graduate?

01:13:04.000 I'm just curious.

01:13:05.000 That's a fair amount.

01:13:06.000 It wouldn't be that way a couple years ago.

01:13:09.000 Arizona is great.

01:13:10.000 I live in Arizona.

01:13:11.000 Texas is awesome.

01:13:11.000 Nevada, it's all right.

01:13:14.000 They got to figure out some stuff.

01:13:16.000 But so your question is, is this an opportunity?

01:13:18.000 Yeah, I think your mindset is awesome, and I want to encourage you.

01:13:22.000 Find opportunity when things seem super bleak and down.

01:13:25.000 Try to find what the seed of the equivalent benefit would be.

01:13:28.000 So if everyone's leaving, well, then there's less entrepreneurs and less competition for you and more ability to be able to dominate.

01:13:33.000 If this is where you want to live and this is where you want to be able to flourish.

01:13:36.000 That is something I think we need to instill more in young people and not just say like, it's over, it's terrible.

01:13:41.000 I can't succeed.

01:13:42.000 It's still the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world.

01:13:44.000 Even though California is probably one of the least free states, you still have a semblance of an entrepreneurial culture of being able to take risks and be able to be able to succeed.

01:13:52.000 So lean in on it.

01:13:53.000 Look at it as an opportunity, right?

01:13:55.000 If people are starting to leave and close their business and all that, you're like, hey, more for me.

01:14:00.000 And so I think your mindset's right.

01:14:01.000 I don't have that mindset.

01:14:03.000 I left Illinois, got out as quickly as I possibly could and got to Arizona.

01:14:07.000 But if you're meant to be here, flourish, man, and don't let anyone get in your way.

01:14:11.000 I appreciate it.

01:14:12.000 Thank you.

01:14:17.000 Hey, how you doing?

01:14:18.000 His shirt says, You ain't black, Joe Biden.

01:14:21.000 It's a great shirt.

01:14:21.000 I know.

01:14:22.000 I got it at MTEST.

01:14:23.000 I got it at MTest.

01:14:24.000 Thanks for hosting, by the way.

01:14:25.000 I had one question for you, and it's a really simple one.

01:14:28.000 What's your thoughts on those people that call themselves conservatives, but like they sort of partake in the activities of what the liberal left is doing?

01:14:36.000 I just want to know your thoughts on that.

01:14:38.000 Elaborate.

01:14:39.000 So for instance, you have, yeah, someone said Mitt Romney.

01:14:45.000 Oh, it's a great example.

01:14:46.000 Mitt Romney?

01:14:46.000 I mean, geez, Mitt Romney's not a conservative.

01:14:49.000 He's a liberal that calls himself a conservative.

01:14:51.000 And so, I mean, if you vote for Katanji Brown Jackson and you tell me that you're a conservative, like that dog doesn't hunt and that's not going to happen.

01:14:59.000 So what do we do about it?

01:15:01.000 I guess is your question.

01:15:02.000 I don't know.

01:15:02.000 I mean, what are my thoughts?

01:15:05.000 Don't think very highly of those people.

01:15:06.000 That's for certain.

01:15:07.000 Here's the thing.

01:15:07.000 I get more frustrated with, and this is my own personal beliefs on this topic.

01:15:13.000 I get more frustrated with Republicans that betray their voters than Democrats who do what they say they're going to do and are super radical.

01:15:21.000 I get more frustrated with that, personally, when I see Republicans get political power and they turn their backs on the people that actually put them there, like Mitt Romney in Utah, which is one of the most conservative states in the country.

01:15:32.000 Thanks for being here.

01:15:33.000 Appreciate it.

01:15:37.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:15:38.000 I wanted to ask you about what your thoughts on the current American work culture and how it currently overemphasizes leadership.

01:15:45.000 And although leadership is important and gets us through like important crises, sometimes the average worker is just left out.

01:15:52.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

01:15:53.000 So what's my thought?

01:15:54.000 Did you say American worker culture?

01:15:56.000 Is that right?

01:15:56.000 Like everyone wants to be a leader, but like if everyone's a leader, no one can be a leader, right?

01:16:00.000 That's an interesting point.

01:16:01.000 I've actually thought that deeply about it.

01:16:03.000 I'll disagree.

01:16:04.000 I don't think everyone wants to be a leader.

01:16:06.000 I think everyone wants the perks of being a leader, for sure, but they certainly don't want the responsibilities of being a leader.

01:16:12.000 Being a leader is hard.

01:16:14.000 You can delegate authority.

01:16:16.000 You cannot delegate responsibility.

01:16:18.000 And so everyone kind of wants the kind of image of being a boss on Instagram, coroner office, you know, you get all the perks and all that.

01:16:25.000 But do they really want to be there 2 a.m. on a Sunday morning, having to go crunch a deadline when it's you on the line that have to do that?

01:16:33.000 Because that's what we that own business and run business have to do.

01:16:35.000 There's no days off.

01:16:36.000 It's seven days a week.

01:16:37.000 It's constant pressure, borrowing money, paying bills, firing people, hiring people.

01:16:42.000 So, but you're right.

01:16:43.000 Not everyone can be a leader.

01:16:44.000 So how do you create a culture where people are okay with being led?

01:16:51.000 I think you need better leaders.

01:16:52.000 I hate to go back to it.

01:16:54.000 I don't know if I agree with you.

01:16:55.000 I don't think there's an overemphasis on leadership.

01:16:58.000 I think that there's an overemphasis because there's such a lack of a crisis.

01:17:02.000 There's a lack of leaders in such a crisis to actually find people.

01:17:05.000 And so what is a leader?

01:17:07.000 A leader is someone that says, like George S. Patton said, lead, follower, or get out of the way.

01:17:11.000 Without a vision, the people perish.

01:17:13.000 The scriptures tell us that, right?

01:17:14.000 And so, but we see in America, we have a lot of people that do finger pointing and not people that are willing to cast a vision, work towards it, and meaningfully try to execute on it.

01:17:23.000 The greatest leader of the 20th century is Winston Churchill, period.

01:17:26.000 It's why we're never surrender right here.

01:17:28.000 Winston Churchill cast the vision against impossible odds.

01:17:31.000 He united a people against existential and material and immediate evil.

01:17:35.000 He rallied people with optimism and charm and a perseverance that was relentless when he was the minority of people thought it couldn't be done, surviving the blitz, pushing forward into Europe and liberating them from absolute existential and just unspeakable evil.

01:17:49.000 I don't know if we have that.

01:17:50.000 That sort of a leader is very hard to find.

01:17:53.000 I believe Washington, Lincoln, and Churchill are the three best Western leaders we have post-1776.

01:17:59.000 Boy, you look around in America, you say, where is that statesman today?

01:18:03.000 And it seems to be messy.

01:18:05.000 Yeah, it could be in Florida, either at Mar-a-Lago or in Tallahassee.

01:18:08.000 You guys can tell me which.

01:18:09.000 So thank you.

01:18:11.000 I appreciate it.

01:18:12.000 Next question.

01:18:12.000 Sorry.

01:18:13.000 Thank you.

01:18:14.000 All right.

01:18:15.000 This is the final question.

01:18:16.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:18:17.000 Thanks for coming out today.

01:18:19.000 Throughout your public endeavors here in public speaking and whatnot, you've become obviously a figure for the conservative movement, which I'm very happy to have you along with us.

01:18:27.000 But obviously, we have those on the left, especially here in California and placing like New York, that just make assumptions and quite frankly spread lies and aren't interested in getting to know you at all or getting to know your viewpoints.

01:18:37.000 I have some experience of this.

01:18:39.000 I gladly state who I am, my positions, and the fact I'm a proud boy in the USPAY chapter of California.

01:18:46.000 My question to you is: What do you find a little bit more effective in communicating your cause and your position?

01:18:52.000 Public debate, where you're able to take someone down.

01:18:56.000 I mean, you know, in the debating aspect, where you can, yes, sorry, where you can actually make your viewpoints heard in the public stage and show how you can defeat the left.

01:19:05.000 Or do you find it more effective to say more of a grassroots issue where you can talk to someone that's kind of teetering the left and actually is interested, maybe not in agreeing with what you say, but also in just hearing your viewpoint.

01:19:17.000 And my second part to that is, since no one else has asked it, Trump or DeSantis.

01:19:21.000 Okay, okay.

01:19:22.000 All right.

01:19:23.000 So that's the hardest question of all, I guess.

01:19:26.000 So I'll get to that second.

01:19:28.000 So what's the most effective way to persuade?

01:19:31.000 I think I know, but we're still learning.

01:19:33.000 Persuasion is different than activating, right?

01:19:35.000 So activating is part of my job, activating people that believe in what we believe, but aren't doing anything about it.

01:19:40.000 And then persuasion.

01:19:41.000 I think dialogue is really important.

01:19:43.000 I think what we did tonight is really helpful.

01:19:44.000 Like, come on up, tell us what you think.

01:19:46.000 Tell us what you believe.

01:19:47.000 You're going to get a couple smart Alex and people, you know, that try to do it, but that's part of the game, right?

01:19:51.000 Sitting out on the quad for two hours and having conversations with people.

01:19:54.000 But look, I will say this: that I think that when we have, there is this, and I know you didn't touch on this, but I think it's necessary to say, right?

01:20:04.000 Which is that we as conservatives are feeling a lot of frustration at times.

01:20:08.000 And we have to continue to be, and we try to be ambassadors of this, not to indulge into any sort of violence or any sort of, I think that's wrong.

01:20:17.000 I do.

01:20:18.000 And in fact, I think it hurts our cause and it makes it harder for us to be able to win converts over.

01:20:24.000 And I know you didn't touch on that, but I just want to kind of say that in the orbit of all that.

01:20:27.000 But the final thing I'll say is this: is that we have to be unafraid to say things that are true, even though you might be in a room the only person saying it.

01:20:36.000 I believe fundamentally that 99% of Americans believe that this idea that men can become pregnant is patently insane.

01:20:44.000 But 99% of Americans are afraid to say that out loud.

01:20:47.000 So it's going to take courage and it's going to take conviction to stand up and speak your mind on those things, regardless of what that backlash actually might be.

01:20:56.000 And in California, this is the toughest place to do that.

01:20:59.000 It definitely is.

01:21:01.000 And so I want to thank you for your question.

01:21:03.000 Thanks for being here tonight.

01:21:04.000 Appreciate it.

01:21:05.000 Thank you.

01:21:05.000 Oh, Trump or DeSantis.

01:21:07.000 You're right.

01:21:07.000 Okay, so this is me speaking personally, not on behalf of Turning Point.

01:21:11.000 Okay, so I'm a loyal guy.

01:21:13.000 I believe if Trump runs again, he deserves a right to run again, and he'll have my support if he runs again in 2024.

01:21:19.000 I would love a Trump DeSantis ticket.

01:21:21.000 Now, interestingly, you can't have a VP from the same state.

01:21:24.000 It's the 12th Amendment. 0.82

01:21:25.000 I didn't, so someone's going to have to move out of state temporarily, go buy like a summer home in Georgia.

01:21:29.000 You can't have the same, you can't have a president, vice president, combo from the same state.

01:21:34.000 Ron DeSantis, I believe, is a special statesman.

01:21:36.000 And I don't use that word lightly.

01:21:38.000 He really is starting to look like he's in the tradition of Churchill and Lincoln in many ways.

01:21:45.000 But here's what we do know about Trump.

01:21:46.000 And I got to give him credit for this.

01:21:48.000 He did what he said he was going to do.

01:21:49.000 And he was right with his predictions and his will to fight and his resolve.

01:21:53.000 And I believe once you win a presidency once, and then you run again and narrowly get displaced after all the shenanigans that happened last time, you have earned, and I do not use that word lightly, earned, a right to be able to run again and present to the American people the I told you so, get me back in power to lower your gas prices, close your border, and end these silly wars that are popping up all across the world.

01:22:15.000 I love Ron DeSantis.

01:22:16.000 I think he would be a great president, but I know Donald Trump was a great president.

01:22:21.000 And for that, I believe he's earned support for another term in 2024.

01:22:25.000 Thank you.

01:22:26.000 Okay.

01:22:27.000 So that was a lot of fun.

01:22:30.000 And so in closing, thank you guys for allowing us to speak.

01:22:33.000 Absent all the whatever the nonsense outside there was.

01:22:36.000 I enjoyed the discourse outside.

01:22:37.000 If you guys want to hear all of this, the clips, you guys can subscribe to our podcast, Charlie Kirk Show Podcast.

01:22:42.000 You guys can subscribe to that.

01:22:43.000 I want to thank our amazing Turning Point USA chapter for helping organize this.

01:22:47.000 It's just terrific.

01:22:49.000 And this is the place where they say the free speech movement started across America.

01:22:54.000 So thank you for largely more than not allowing that tradition to continue.

01:22:58.000 But look, for those of you that are on the left that, you know, believe and disagree with what I say, just please keep an open mind.

01:23:05.000 Dive deep into these ideas.

01:23:08.000 There's something out there, I think, that is more attractive and beautiful.

01:23:13.000 And I would say that would resonate with you a lot more than just kind of the dark and dystopian agenda that I think is being pushed a lot of times.

01:23:21.000 And so I want to thank you guys again for having us tonight.

01:23:23.000 This is a wonderful place.

01:23:25.000 And I don't think the next time I get to Berkeley, this is going to be the right-wing capital of the world.

01:23:30.000 This place hasn't changed much in the last couple of years.

01:23:32.000 But for you conservatives out there that are fighting in Berkeley, you are heroes.

01:23:36.000 I mean that.

01:23:37.000 And God bless you.

01:23:38.000 Thank you guys so much.

01:23:42.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

01:23:44.000 You can email me always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:23:46.000 Thank you so much for listening.

01:23:48.000 God bless.

01:23:51.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 02, 2022

Charlie Kirk on Family, Freedom, and America's Moral Future—LIVE from the Halls of Berkeley

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