The Charlie Kirk Show - November 30, 2023


Charlie Kirk vs. ASU


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Austin Smith and Ann Atkinson tell the story of what happened at Arizona State University, where white supremacists were invited to speak to students at the Honors College, and the deans ordered the event was off limits because it offended the faculty.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Tan the Charlie Kirk Show and our discussion about higher education, Arizona State University with Austin Smith and Ann Atkinson.
00:00:06.000 This is a test case of how awful higher education has become.
00:00:10.000 You got to listen to the details, especially if you live in Arizona.
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00:00:48.000 Here we go.
00:00:49.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:51.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:53.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
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00:01:31.000 Okay, everybody, there's been some fun stuff happening in the great state of Arizona, place I call home.
00:01:36.000 Austin Smith is with us.
00:01:37.000 Austin, say hi.
00:01:38.000 Hey, Charlie.
00:01:39.000 Are you the youngest member of the house?
00:01:40.000 Is that I am the youngest member of the house, and I am one of the three youngest Republicans ever elected to the Arizona House.
00:01:46.000 Ever elected.
00:01:48.000 And Turning Point USA alum, elected.
00:01:50.000 TPSA alum, do some stuff with Turning Point Action, state rep. And you've kind of made a pet project of yours is our fun little, let's say, focus on Arizona State University.
00:02:04.000 It's been fun, I got to say.
00:02:05.000 It has been a lot of fun.
00:02:07.000 And when you spent several years working in the nonprofit section of higher education, the higher ed cartel is what we like to call it.
00:02:14.000 And then you get to the legislature and you find out how bad the higher ed cartel actually is, like a greedy piglet that just keeps coming back for more money without any accountability.
00:02:25.000 So it's time we put a stop to that and we're going to talk more about it.
00:02:28.000 So by background, and by the way, we have Ann with us.
00:02:31.000 Is Anne on?
00:02:32.000 Hi, Anne.
00:02:32.000 How are you?
00:02:33.000 The great Ann Atkinson.
00:02:35.000 I need to introduce Ann Atkinson.
00:02:37.000 And so we're excited to kind of chat with you guys both.
00:02:41.000 So let's just tell the story.
00:02:42.000 Actually, you know what would be helpful?
00:02:44.000 Ann, why don't you tell the story?
00:02:46.000 Because it was bubbling up well before this event.
00:02:52.000 February was really the crescendo, and there's been subsequent, let's just say, chapters of this story.
00:02:59.000 Ann, remind our audience of this story.
00:03:03.000 Well, in February of this year, I, as the executive director of what was the Lewis Center, invited you and Dennis Prager and Robert Kiyosaki to speak to students at Arizona State.
00:03:15.000 And the faculty of the Honors College threw a fit.
00:03:18.000 They launched a national condemnation campaign.
00:03:21.000 They went into their classrooms and they told freshman students, do not attend Charlie and Dennis's event.
00:03:28.000 This is an event for white supremacists.
00:03:31.000 And then these professors stood outside the entrance to our program on health, wealth, and happiness with signs that said no hate at Barrett, 10 feet from all of the students entering to see exactly which of their students were entering the event.
00:03:46.000 The deans ordered, the deans at the Honors College ordered for your marketing to be removed because it offended the faculty.
00:03:54.000 The deans then told me what you and Dennis and Robert were and were not allowed to say.
00:04:00.000 And Charlie, I have to tell you, they said higher education for you was off limits.
00:04:05.000 You couldn't talk about anything that could be politically divisive or that may alienate the audience.
00:04:10.000 And this, of course, blew up into a viral national story.
00:04:14.000 A lot has happened since, but you did come and you spoke, and you were wonderfully brilliant.
00:04:19.000 So thank you.
00:04:20.000 Thank you.
00:04:21.000 And I talked about the Sabbath, the radical idea of working for six days and resting for one.
00:04:27.000 So this then, and you lost your job and they fired you, and you wrote a Wall Street Journal piece that is so powerful.
00:04:36.000 I paid for free speech at Arizona State.
00:04:39.000 Talk about that.
00:04:40.000 Yes, you know, most people in higher education are there for their careers, and even the good ones, and there are a lot of good people in higher ed, they won't speak up.
00:04:50.000 They won't speak out because if they speak against the orthodoxy and against the will of a college leadership, they get reprimanded or fired like me.
00:05:00.000 And like the events director at ASU Gammage, who was the other person that put on our event, she also got fired.
00:05:06.000 Oh, and the dean at Barrett dismantled the entire Lewis Center that was serving all the Barrett students.
00:05:13.000 So I think this story at ASU is really a microcosm of what's happening across the country.
00:05:19.000 But the public expected better of Arizona State.
00:05:22.000 ASU has been saying for too long how great they are for free speech, how they welcome all viewpoints.
00:05:28.000 But we've seen through many examples, a big one is your event.
00:05:32.000 That's not the case.
00:05:34.000 And so then the summer comes, and then we do another event this fall where I call for the defunding of Arizona State University.
00:05:41.000 You spoke at that, Austin, and we kept the drumbeat going.
00:05:45.000 And then the atrocities occurred in Israel and there was a pro-Hamas rally.
00:05:51.000 How did Michael Crowe respond to the terrorist sympathizers at ASU?
00:05:55.000 Well, if you've been paying attention to this story and it's been developing months over months, ASU is like their own worst enemy in this situation because one, they attack conservative organizations, conservative students for presence on campus, but actual terrorists, a pat on the back, turn the other cheek, just look the other way.
00:06:14.000 There's not an actual problem here.
00:06:15.000 And so you got individuals like Michael Crowe and the Board of Regents who are supposed to be equal and respect all students on these college campuses.
00:06:23.000 And they don't.
00:06:24.000 There's no accountability to them.
00:06:25.000 They come back to the legislature every single year asking for one-time monies and spending for millions of dollars for some project with no accountability and no oversight.
00:06:34.000 But I'm supposed to believe that they're using it effectively and they're actually having a level playing field for college students when they are going to condemn Turning Point USA, but not the Students for Justice in Palestine for actually trying to disrupt a student government meeting, an anti-Semitic movement at Arizona State University.
00:06:54.000 This has got to stop.
00:06:55.000 This is going to end.
00:06:55.000 And so it's time for we completely gut Arizona State University from getting taxpayer dollars.
00:07:01.000 There's no more room for it anymore.
00:07:02.000 They make $4.4 billion a year in revenue.
00:07:05.000 The taxpayers do not need to give another dime to Michael Crowe and the Board of Regents.
00:07:10.000 Yeah, so let's walk through that.
00:07:11.000 And I mean, you know the university structure very well.
00:07:16.000 There's an immense amount of diversity, equity, inclusion bureaucrats now at ASU.
00:07:22.000 They have refused to prioritize the pro-American, pro-freedom, pro-liberty type ideas at the university.
00:07:34.000 And they're now very worried.
00:07:36.000 The legislature is seriously considering these cuts as they should.
00:07:41.000 And do you think that there's room for cuts at Arizona State University?
00:07:45.000 There's so much waste.
00:07:46.000 And absolutely is the answer to that.
00:07:49.000 There's so much waste.
00:07:51.000 Classes and organizations within the university are being used to teach students not just to hate America, but to distinguish between oppressors and the oppressed and to try to be a victim.
00:08:03.000 So, ASU is not preparing these students for the real world.
00:08:07.000 They're spending our taxpayer dollars in an incredible number of examples to teach these students to really be miserable.
00:08:15.000 And what happened to teaching them to pursue the American dream, to pursue knowledge and truth, and to love our flawed, but love our greatest country in the history of the world.
00:08:24.000 They're not doing it.
00:08:26.000 There are room for cuts.
00:08:27.000 There is room for cuts.
00:08:28.000 Yeah, and the first place I would cut is the 39 professors that came out that said that Dennis Prager and Charlie Kirk shouldn't be allowed on campus.
00:08:38.000 And I want to make sure we talk about these two.
00:08:40.000 The free speech is a major issue at ASU.
00:08:43.000 But Austin, there's an ideological toxin that they are replicating that should not be subsidized.
00:08:51.000 They have an endowment.
00:08:52.000 They have plenty of money.
00:08:54.000 Why should they receive even a dollar of taxpayer funding?
00:08:57.000 Well, it brings up this whole purpose of like, why does the Board of Regents even exist?
00:09:01.000 When the legislature and the state of Arizona make laws, the Regents are responsible for enforcing those laws.
00:09:07.000 And one of the laws in the state of Arizona is that all ideas are treated frequently.
00:09:11.000 We actually have a more robust First Amendment in the Arizona Constitution than the United States Constitution.
00:09:17.000 But when you start having these professors spew this ideological hate against white people, the West, Christianity, we got to ban Charlie Kirk and Dennis Prager from being on campus.
00:09:28.000 And then you have the university president sign a letter essentially condemning Turning Point USA, which is a 501c3 nonprofit organization that is allowed to be on that campus.
00:09:39.000 When that president, when Michael Crowe sends the lobbyists down to the legislature saying they need more money for a certain project or a certain cool, yeah, they send their team of lobbyists down there to ask for more money. 0.98
00:09:50.000 When I was like, why would we give you a dime when you continually punish other people that are not ideologically brainwashed, like you that are Marxist social justice warriors, for last, and what I said was that they offer classes for lesbian underwater basket weaving, being facetious, but that's true. 0.62
00:10:07.000 They're offering students to do that. 0.62
00:10:09.000 Why do that?
00:10:10.000 One of these professors that condemned us is best known for his work called F. Kraken.
00:10:18.000 It's not a joke.
00:10:19.000 I'm going to, I'm going to, this is a real thing.
00:10:21.000 This is not scholarship.
00:10:22.000 This is not education.
00:10:25.000 It is, it is insane.
00:10:29.000 The world is in flames, and Bydonomics is a complete and total disaster.
00:10:32.000 But it won't ruin my day.
00:10:33.000 And that's because I start my day with a hot America first cup of blackout coffee.
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00:10:53.000 By the way, I was traveling recently and somebody brought me a cup of coffee and it tasted really bad.
00:10:59.000 It was really bad.
00:11:00.000 I said, where's my blackout?
00:11:01.000 And they said, we didn't bring the blackout on this trip.
00:11:03.000 And I was really disappointed.
00:11:04.000 It was a tough day.
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00:11:47.000 So the professors get angry.
00:11:49.000 Charlie Kirk and Dennis Prager are coming.
00:11:51.000 Do they get angry that on November 18th, hosted by the Barrett Honors College, white feminism meets Bergeria and black girl magic?
00:12:00.000 Look at this. 0.67
00:12:01.000 Witchcraft as radical healing.
00:12:04.000 That is brought to you by the Barrett Honors College. 0.86
00:12:09.000 Barrett Tempe official also hosted sexual politics.
00:12:13.000 Instructor Dr. Michael Austeling. 0.99
00:12:16.000 Somebody watch out for that guy.
00:12:19.000 And so let me get this straight.
00:12:21.000 The Barrett Honors College is cool with witchcraft as radical healing, but not Dennis Prager or Charlie Kirk, evidently.
00:12:29.000 These are not extreme, you know, uncommon examples.
00:12:33.000 Witchcraft is magical healing.
00:12:35.000 I mean, you walk into the dean's office at Barrett, the Honors College, they have an entire glass display case dedicated to witchcraft, fairies, demons, the intersection of witchcraft and Christendom.
00:12:47.000 I mean, this is, it's not like this is a course that's uncommon.
00:12:53.000 I mean, even the professor that lunged at your cameraman, I mean, he has a disclaimer in his syllabus, Dr. David Broyles, that they will be having vivid discussions and depictions of teenage sexuality and sexual violence.
00:13:08.000 This has become the culture, and ASU leadership has allowed it to turn into a cancer within the university.
00:13:16.000 I want to just re-emphasize this.
00:13:18.000 So, Austin, do you have a thought on this before I get to the next step?
00:13:20.000 Yeah, look, this is a rot.
00:13:23.000 Obviously, in our higher education, Charlie and I have been doing this for several years now in higher education.
00:13:27.000 It's a rot.
00:13:28.000 It's left the college campuses, the universities.
00:13:30.000 Now it's in the military.
00:13:32.000 It has infected every single part of daily American life.
00:13:35.000 And for taxpayers like Ann Charlie and I, who are conservatives, who really disagree with that type of messaging on public taxpayer-funded universities, there has to be an answer to that, and it's cutting off the funding.
00:13:48.000 It's like you're not getting a dime. 0.99
00:13:50.000 You can put up whatever you want in your stupid office about fairies and having sex with a kraken, but we're not funding it. 1.00
00:13:54.000 It stops now. 1.00
00:13:56.000 So, this is the Honors College ASU.
00:13:58.000 They say, oh, there's nowhere to cut.
00:14:00.000 Okay, how about fire this guy?
00:14:01.000 Dagmar Van Engen, a non-binary person whose current project argues that transness is central to queer and feminist science, an author of How to F a Kraken.
00:14:13.000 What does that even mean? 1.00
00:14:14.000 No, these are sick people.
00:14:15.000 This is what your taxpayer dollars are underwriting. 0.91
00:14:17.000 This next one: Lisa Barca, whose area, this is our professor's area of expertise includes feminism and gender studies, and recent research uses an eco-feminist approach to the intersections of speciesism.
00:14:29.000 Or Alex Young, a scholar of the transnational settler colonialism, or David Agris, who has done research in gender and sexuality studies and recently filed a lawsuit against Montana State University because he said they fired him because he's gay.
00:14:44.000 I'm sure they fired you for other reasons.
00:14:46.000 Joseph O'Neill, who recently led a seminar on whitewashing of ancient Greece and Rome.
00:14:52.000 Rachel, these are all professors, Fedbach, whose research interests include feminist ethics, black feminism, abortion, gender, and race.
00:14:59.000 And my favorite, the Rebecca Sorris, an editor of the female fantastic gendering the supernatural in the 1890s and 1920s.
00:15:08.000 This is what Arizona taxpayers are underwriting. 0.92
00:15:11.000 No, it's ridiculous.
00:15:12.000 And so there was an article that came out, a column earlier this week about this committee that we had regarding the classes that ASU offers. 0.71
00:15:21.000 And it was a lynching of our higher education.
00:15:24.000 I'm like, if this is what higher education at Arizona State, supposed to be the Harvard of the West, is offering our students, yeah, we need to reevaluate what kind of classes that taxpayers are offering students to turn out these next generation of radical leftists.
00:15:39.000 So Anne, you were going to say something.
00:15:41.000 Yeah, thank you.
00:15:43.000 I think it's important your listeners understand, too, these aren't adoptional courses.
00:15:48.000 Barrett Honors College students are required to take six credit hours from these professors that you're listing.
00:15:54.000 There's no choice.
00:15:55.000 That is the first step as a Barrett Honor student.
00:15:57.000 I had to do it over 20 years ago when I showed up as a Barrett student.
00:16:01.000 You have to take the human event with the Barrett professors.
00:16:04.000 And then beyond this, there are ways that the radical activists have infiltrated even great classes.
00:16:11.000 So when I ran the Lewis Center, I reviewed all the syllabi.
00:16:15.000 And in one class called Personal Finance and Life Skills, somebody who has now been promoted to an assistant dean with the entire university included homework assignments for how to defund the police and the case for slavery reparations.
00:16:30.000 So if a student wanted to take a class on personal finance, they are still getting this radical ideology shoved down their throats, whether they want it or not.
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00:18:27.000 Okay, I want to play this tape here, Ann, and then have you react to it.
00:18:30.000 Before I do, Anne, do you want to introduce it, just kind of tease out the circumstances of all this, and then we'll play the tape?
00:18:36.000 Yes, this is the Barrett Vice Dean, Kristen Herman, speaking in a meeting with me and the Dean, Tara Williams.
00:18:44.000 And ASU has said over and over: they did not say what you were and were not allowed to say.
00:18:50.000 They did not censor speech.
00:18:52.000 And things went sideways.
00:18:54.000 I understood the deans didn't like you.
00:18:56.000 They didn't like Prager.
00:18:57.000 So I started recording.
00:18:58.000 I recorded a lot.
00:19:00.000 And this is just one of the recordings of Barrett Vice Dean, Kristen Herman, saying exactly what ASU has been publicly denying for months.
00:19:08.000 Publicly denying, and they wanted to censor my remarks.
00:19:12.000 PlayCut 91, please.
00:19:14.000 What I want to know, Anne, because it's really for you as the executive director, that their conversation is about health, wealth, and happiness, as you've suggested it will be, and not about higher education or anything that could be deemed as political or turned into a political platform.
00:19:43.000 That we're not leveraging any of those conversations to make political statements that are going to alienate our audiences.
00:19:54.000 And that's some pretty powerful stuff.
00:19:56.000 Has this been aired before?
00:19:58.000 This aired on the Seth Liebson show just on Monday, but to a local audience, this has never been aired to a national audience.
00:20:07.000 So, you know, I've released the transcript of this to ASU publicly.
00:20:12.000 And, you know, I guess people just have to hear it in the voice of an ASU dean that, look, you did try to limit what Charlie and Dennis and Robert could or could not say.
00:20:22.000 I'm wondering, do they give these parameters to Ibram Kendi when he comes to campus when the Clinton Foundation got paid, as we learned in the hearing on Monday, half a million dollars for Hillary Clinton to speak at ASU?
00:20:35.000 Did ASU give her parameters for what speech was and was not acceptable? 0.66
00:20:41.000 There are two standards at ASU.
00:20:43.000 Evidently.
00:20:44.000 So, Austin, you hear this.
00:20:46.000 Not only is ASU lying, but they're in full retreat mode.
00:20:49.000 You could tell Michael Crowe and the PR crisis team there, they planted these stories yesterday, which I think is hilarious.
00:20:54.000 Arizona Republic, one after the other.
00:20:56.000 Republicans called to gut ASU funding over free speech is Twilight Zone level crazy.
00:21:04.000 Two things.
00:21:05.000 The clip that was just played earlier in the year when we had our free speech committee, Anne was there testifying.
00:21:11.000 And she said those words verbatim, what the dean told her.
00:21:14.000 Do not let Charlie or Prager or Kiyosaki bring up anything political.
00:21:19.000 And I said, does the dean think that you're a mind reader, Anne, that you're going to prevent somebody from speaking about health, wealth, and happiness?
00:21:27.000 I should have brought up political.
00:21:28.000 And I'm like, the reason why they say that, don't let them talk about anything political because health, wealth, and happiness are inherently good human conservative values that they despise.
00:21:39.000 And so second thing here, ASU is in full retreat.
00:21:42.000 We've got them on the ropes. 1.00
00:21:43.000 You got people like Michael Crowe who wrote a book this year about, you know, any politician that doesn't support all these climate change policies or idiots and morons. 1.00
00:21:51.000 I'm like, that's the culture at Arizona State University. 1.00
00:21:54.000 That's what they truly believe in people who are not brainwashed, moronic Marxists like them. 0.53
00:22:00.000 And so now you've got them sending out their, because the media does a great job in Arizona playing cover for the Democrats and the higher universities, and we're done with it. 0.89
00:22:09.000 And next legislative session, ASU should be very weary during the budget process.
00:22:14.000 It's coming up right now, right?
00:22:15.000 I mean, you guys have.
00:22:16.000 We'll go back into session in January.
00:22:18.000 And we got to get the budget.
00:22:19.000 That's the most important job as legislators.
00:22:21.000 And there is an appetite, Charlie, what you're talking about for this, that we can't just keep saying, because conservatives for the longest time have run into situations or been approached by people like Ann that we've got to do a better job of protecting free speech on college campuses.
00:22:33.000 Well, the rubber has met the road now.
00:22:35.000 People demand answers.
00:22:36.000 They deserve accountability.
00:22:37.000 People like Ann and Lynn Blake deserve accountability, and so do the taxpayers of the state of Arizona.
00:22:42.000 So yeah, ASU is on the meat grinding row right now.
00:22:47.000 So Ann, what does a in-state Arizona student pay at ASU now?
00:22:52.000 What is an in-state student pay-ish?
00:22:54.000 Oh, $18,000 plus, plus, plus.
00:22:56.000 So you're $25,000 easy all in.
00:22:59.000 And out of state is like ridiculous, right? 0.94
00:23:02.000 60, 70, ridiculous. 0.98
00:23:04.000 Yeah, 60, 70.
00:23:06.000 Hence, ASU's push to have more international students.
00:23:09.000 They're trying to appeal to be a university of the world to attract more high-paying international students.
00:23:16.000 That's why ASU has partnerships with the Chinese Communist Party, with different countries all over the world.
00:23:22.000 That's why they're trying to have learners that are not degree seeking, but that they're trying to have that top dollar tuition come into the university.
00:23:33.000 Yeah, so it is, and I'm going to ask some things off the top of your head.
00:23:37.000 Can you just kind of help me understand the finances?
00:23:39.000 So there's a $1.25 billion endowment.
00:23:42.000 That's a big number.
00:23:43.000 I'm sure some of it's land and some of it's restricted gifts.
00:23:46.000 And there's like a four billion dollar budget.
00:23:48.000 Is that right, Austin?
00:23:49.000 The whole place costs $4 billion to run?
00:23:51.000 That doesn't sound right.
00:23:53.000 There's no way.
00:23:54.000 Well, I mean, part of it too, though, Charlie, is that every single year, up until about COVID, tuition consistently rose at Arizona State University.
00:24:02.000 And in the Arizona Constitution, it says that public universities' tuition should be low to as free as possible.
00:24:10.000 And that's not the case anymore.
00:24:12.000 It continually rises, rises, and rises.
00:24:14.000 The regents raise tuition because they just become a rubber stamp for places like Arizona State University that Ann was talking about that attract international students to raise tuition.
00:24:24.000 It's just a cash rack.
00:24:25.000 It's just a racket and there's no accountability for it.
00:24:27.000 So, and they said they fired you because Tom Lewis pulled his money after the controversy around the event.
00:24:34.000 Is that true?
00:24:36.000 And do you have any evidence of left-wing people that have lost their job recently?
00:24:41.000 No, you know, it's a lie.
00:24:43.000 It's not true.
00:24:44.000 I even offered new diversified donor funding, and the Barrett dean wouldn't have the conversation.
00:24:49.000 The provost of the university knows this.
00:24:51.000 We had the conversation, and she didn't even say, let's find a place for the Lewis Center to continue.
00:24:57.000 The Lewis Center and its values, which were about traditional American values, hard work, personal responsibility, those are not welcome at ASU today.
00:25:08.000 So it was not true that I was let go just because Tom Lewis pulled his funding for this grant agreement.
00:25:14.000 Here's the proof.
00:25:15.000 Part of it, well, one of the pieces of proof.
00:25:17.000 Tom Lewis was funding multiple positions, and everybody else, all the faculty members of the Lewis Center that were also 50% grant funded, kept their jobs.
00:25:28.000 But I was the, you know, the one to go for the reason of the, you know, Tom's polling of grant funding.
00:25:34.000 It's not true.
00:25:35.000 It's not the case, but ASU stands behind that because it's easy to say.
00:25:40.000 So the Honors College, which they say feels and functions like a small college within a large research university, is supposed to be the standard of excellence, right?
00:25:51.000 They brag that it's the best of both worlds, that you get this kind of intimate environment, but you still get all of the benefits of Arizona State University.
00:26:04.000 Can you just reinforce for our audience that is this the place of the pursuit of academic excellence or more and more ideological workshopping of a radical agenda?
00:26:18.000 Is this a place where students are reading the great books and being immersed in Western values and getting their money's worth, quite honestly?
00:26:29.000 Or is it something that is closer towards trying to create more angry activists to deploy into the world?
00:26:35.000 Well, it has the framework to be great.
00:26:37.000 When I was a Barrett student, we read Plato and Socrates and Dante's Inferno.
00:26:42.000 I mean, we read the classics and it was a small, like a small liberal arts college within a big university.
00:26:49.000 It was beautiful.
00:26:50.000 But what happened is the same issue throughout ASU.
00:26:54.000 They've hired radical members into their faculty.
00:26:57.000 Faculty have academic freedom to teach whatever they want in their classrooms.
00:27:02.000 And they've, if you hire people that really want to teach witchcraft, guess what's going to come into the classroom?
00:27:07.000 So, you know, Barrett had a great dean for the last 20 years, Dean Mark Jacobs, who believed in the balance of all of these things.
00:27:15.000 And maybe he had, you know, some radical faculty, but he kept the overall big picture balance.
00:27:20.000 But Barrett has a new dean who's not demonstrated any leadership.
00:27:24.000 She's an administrator, Dean Tara Williams, and the radical faculty have run rampant.
00:27:29.000 You know, Michael Crowe was offered a $50,000 bonus a year ago to make Barrett and W.P. Carey and Ira Fulton global brands, individually global brands.
00:27:38.000 And I would say he's failing miserably with Barrett.
00:27:41.000 It's very sad as an alumna to see what it has become, knowing what it could have been.
00:27:47.000 I want to zero in on this for a second because ASU, to an untrained eye, has become a model.
00:27:54.000 People think it's this wonderful place.
00:27:56.000 You know, Starbucks employees get like, I don't know, a free ASU course or something, right?
00:28:01.000 Austin?
00:28:02.000 Yeah.
00:28:02.000 It's something like that, online course at ASU.
00:28:05.000 But in the pursuit of expansion, Crow has obviously grown the university, but has also introduced radical ideological elements, some of the worst left-wing impulses imaginable.
00:28:18.000 And it doesn't function Austin as a university as much as it does as almost an increasingly woke tech company with tens of thousands of customers that live on campus.
00:28:30.000 That's what it feels like.
00:28:31.000 It doesn't feel like a college.
00:28:32.000 Well, Michael Crowe believes that he's like Elon Musk of Arizona when he's more closely to like Elizabeth Warren with what he believes in and what he tries to bring to Arizona State University.
00:28:41.000 And something that I just recently found out, that ASU was ranked number one above like Michigan State, Penn State, and MIT for global impact in advancing the United Nations sustainable development goals.
00:28:54.000 What does that have to do with producing the next generation of great Arizona leaders?
00:28:59.000 And they're getting exposed to classes about witchcraft and having intercourse with the Kraken. 0.89
00:29:04.000 None of that prepares us to take on countries like China.
00:29:08.000 And Michael Crowe is leading the charge in the downfall of a great state like Arizona.
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00:30:17.000 So, Anne, what can be done to fix this?
00:30:20.000 Is it fixable?
00:30:21.000 Is the Leviathan too embedded?
00:30:25.000 Is it just better for donors to direct their money to other schools, other causes?
00:30:29.000 Is it culturally fixable?
00:30:32.000 Not just Arizona State University, just higher education in general.
00:30:34.000 You know, what we've seen in this process is they won't hold themselves accountable.
00:30:39.000 Even leaders from whom we expected much, they will not hold themselves accountable.
00:30:44.000 We need to see external pressure.
00:30:47.000 We need to support our legislators like Representative Smith here, like our committee chairman, Senator Anthony Kern, Representative Kwan Wen, people that have been leading this effort.
00:30:58.000 We need to support those in office that can do something from the outside.
00:31:02.000 And you know what?
00:31:03.000 Parents, students, you need to wake up to what's happening.
00:31:06.000 Look at the courses that you're seeing on the show today.
00:31:09.000 This is the reality.
00:31:10.000 I would not send my kids to public education today.
00:31:14.000 Thankfully, they're young, but there is a lot of work to be done.
00:31:18.000 I don't know if it's fixable given the main issue or it's the people.
00:31:23.000 Students come and go.
00:31:25.000 You know, university leadership comes and goes, but these faculty are there for their careers.
00:31:30.000 And we've been infected with these radicals that are around.
00:31:34.000 So I think it takes an all-out effort from every external angle.
00:31:39.000 And even then, it might not be enough to fix it, but certainly we can make some difference.
00:31:44.000 Austin, it's giving me some hope that they fear the cuts.
00:31:50.000 They're sending lobbyists.
00:31:51.000 They're doing their PR campaign.
00:31:53.000 The pressure is on.
00:31:56.000 Walk us through what can be done to fix this, at least partially.
00:31:59.000 Well, higher ed administrators are something I like to call the pork lobby or the pork caucus, and they only understand money.
00:32:07.000 And you've got to hit them where it hurts.
00:32:08.000 And we talk, Tarli talks about it all the time, and I kind of stole it from him at this committee this week, is that mom and dad, you're playing Russian roulette with your kids' future when you send them to public universities.
00:32:17.000 Donors, your values are not being representative maybe at that college that you love or that formed you into the great person that you are today.
00:32:24.000 Those aren't the same places anymore.
00:32:26.000 Redirect your funds to an institution, to a place, to an organization, to a university that values what you believe in. 0.71
00:32:33.000 Legislators in Arizona and across America, stop pork caucus rolling these universities that are giving us the next generation of little communists.
00:32:43.000 We can't have that anymore.
00:32:45.000 And until we course correct here, it'll take at least a generation to two generations and a half for these universities to finally fall back to be a place that's actually inclusive to all thoughts and ideas.
00:32:57.000 But until then, don't go to public university. 0.63
00:33:00.000 And it's just, I'm going through the Baird Honor College now, and it's trash.
00:33:05.000 There's no redeemable value to learn how to F a Kraken.
00:33:09.000 Okay, that's not worth going into debt for.
00:33:11.000 It's not worth paying.
00:33:13.000 You guys want to do that on your nights and weekends on some sort of website?
00:33:17.000 Okay, whatever.
00:33:18.000 It's really strange.
00:33:18.000 Not a university.
00:33:19.000 And I don't get the impression.
00:33:22.000 Has Michael Crowe ever had to answer for what these professors are teaching?
00:33:27.000 And he's like, oh, it's just academic freedom.
00:33:29.000 No, no, no, you're responsible for, as the president of university, whether or not these students are leaving better prepared, wiser, better understanding of the world ahead of them.
00:33:42.000 And final thoughts.
00:33:43.000 President Crowe won't touch the faculty.
00:33:46.000 When these classes were intimidating students about you, President Crowe said, that's just faculty being faculty.
00:33:54.000 When they're teaching these radical classes, he said they have the right.
00:33:57.000 It's academic freedom.
00:33:58.000 We have all sorts of different professors.
00:34:00.000 He won't touch the faculty, and the faculty have taken over.
00:34:03.000 So I think, you know, parents locally, look at places like Grand Canyon University.
00:34:08.000 Look at other places because public universities are in a pickle right now.
00:34:12.000 And Representative Smith, you have the power to work with your colleagues to maybe all syllabi should be available publicly so that students and parents can see what they're buying before they buy it.
00:34:24.000 They can see the curriculum vités for those faculty that write books on effing krakens.
00:34:29.000 They should be able to have that transparency.
00:34:31.000 So there are a lot of things you have the power to do.
00:34:33.000 I'm here to support you.
00:34:35.000 And there's a huge swell of people behind this movement for some improvement in education.
00:34:40.000 I think I have a new builder on next session.
00:34:42.000 Yeah.
00:34:43.000 Defund the F Kraken.
00:34:45.000 Yeah.
00:34:45.000 Well, I love this because Dagmar, who is the author of the F Kraken book, is still the author.
00:34:51.000 They took down on the website that Dagmar is the author of F a Kraken.
00:34:56.000 That tells me that they, that Dennis talking about it, us talking about it. 0.90
00:35:01.000 Yes, they're a little ashamed when people realize that at Arizona State University, you pay to learn how to have sex with a Kraken. 0.84
00:35:09.000 Thank you guys so much, Austin and Ann. 0.95
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