The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie's Biblical Case for Borders + The Letter to Bibi

00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.

00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.

00:00:11.000 My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.

00:00:14.000 If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable.

00:00:19.000 But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful.

00:00:24.000 College is a scam, everybody.

00:00:26.000 You gotta stop sending your kids to college.

00:00:27.000 You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible.

00:00:31.000 Go start a turning point, you would say college chapter.

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00:00:39.000 I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.

00:00:41.000 Most important decision I ever made in my life.

00:00:43.000 And I encourage you to do the same.

00:00:45.000 Here I am, Lord Museme.

00:00:48.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:49.000 Here we go.

00:00:56.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk show.

00:00:58.000 I am Andrew Colvet, executive producer of this fine show.

00:01:02.000 And there uh, of course, is the empty chair of our fallen comrade and our our dear friend and brother Charlie.

00:01:09.000 And uh help here to help honor his legacy is one of his dear friends, Steve Dace.

00:01:14.000 And uh we're we're so honored to have you.

00:01:16.000 We were texting back and forth, and you were like, I'm gonna move heaven and earth to get here to do this.

00:01:21.000 And um, we're just so honored to have you.

00:01:23.000 I know Charlie loved you and trusted you, so welcome, my friend.

00:01:27.000 I appreciate it.

00:01:27.000 It is uh truly an honor.

00:01:30.000 And um I think the uh the appropriate uh measure of leaving his chair empty um because it just signifies a void that just cannot possibly be filled, and uh stop by the memorial on the way in.

00:01:42.000 And um but the war and the battle still has to go on.

00:01:47.000 Uh and uh it's up to the rest of us now to to all do our part to pick up the pieces and and fill the void that uh his loss leaves.

00:01:54.000 Yeah, I mean, well said, and I mean Blake knows there was few few very trusted voices in the sort of inner circle that he would hit up for you know advice, what you're where are you at on this, and Steve was one of them, and uh I know that we got a front row seat to that, and so people people have asked me, it's like, well, who who are you inviting in?

00:02:12.000 And I'm like, well, the people Charlie loved.

00:02:13.000 You know, and that's been very clear.

00:02:15.000 And I know that Blake, if you want to chime in, you you were not on the show today, so I want to make sure we or yesterday, so I want to make sure you're yeah, no, no, it's um Charlie had a w we we talked about, you know, the other day how Charlie had this uh great humility.

00:02:30.000 He was always looking for input from other people, always willing to change his mind.

00:02:35.000 He had no embarrassment when he did change his mind.

00:02:38.000 Uh and so he he ha he he cast a wide net.

00:02:42.000 Absolutely.

00:02:44.000 You know, it's it's funny because uh you know I mean I think this is fair to say.

00:02:48.000 I I hope I'm not putting it.

00:02:49.000 We didn't even talk about that.

00:02:50.000 I was gonna bring this up, but you know, during the primary, we we sort of had different POVs on stuff.

00:02:55.000 And but it was like it never mattered to Charlie.

00:02:57.000 And Charlie was like, well, listen, I'm on this, I'm kind of seeing it this way.

00:03:00.000 We love you.

00:03:01.000 Yeah, and you guys, I mean, just had a great synergy like that.

00:03:05.000 I mean, he texted me right as soon as it was over.

00:03:07.000 And he said, listen, don't quit.

00:03:09.000 We need you, you know.

00:03:10.000 Um stay in the game, stay in the fight.

00:03:12.000 We're gonna need you.

00:03:13.000 Tell me about your shirt.

00:03:14.000 Oh, so this shirt they can't see it for the stream.

00:03:17.000 There we go.

00:03:17.000 Can you see it?

00:03:18.000 It says go hard.

00:03:19.000 Yeah, so uh Charlie was about six inches taller than me.

00:03:22.000 Uh and everybody else for that matter.

00:03:25.000 Uh we were we did a freedom night at his uh church in June.

00:03:28.000 And um and it's it's interesting because I had a whole bunch of media call me uh after his uh martyrdom because it just got released on social media the day before.

00:03:38.000 And so I think a lot of media thought we had just done this, and we had actually done it a couple of months ago.

00:03:44.000 And just as we were getting introduced uh to go out on stage, he leaned down into my ear and he said, uh, go hard.

00:03:52.000 And and Sloan at TPUSA Faith, I I texted him when I started getting all these media requests.

00:03:56.000 I'm like, hey, what's appropriate?

00:03:58.000 What do you think, you know, should do?

00:04:00.000 I I I don't want to overstep my bounds at all.

00:04:02.000 And and uh and Sloan's like, well, just do what he whispered in your ear that night.

00:04:06.000 Go hard.

00:04:07.000 And and I just thought that is a phenomenal uh, you know, uh memory.

00:04:13.000 And uh I had the wife uh go out and uh print up a shirt for me. 1.00

00:04:16.000 I love it.

00:04:17.000 Uh so that I could remember it.

00:04:18.000 And um, you know, that's what I've been trying to do ever since, uh, is to to honor his memory, is just to go hard.

00:04:25.000 And I think it's a reminder.

00:04:26.000 And if you see, you know, we we've lost Vody Bacum, we've lost Dr. James Dobson, so many spiritual giants this year, and Charlie is obviously a Titan among them.

00:04:35.000 And it's another reminder that none of us knows for sure, you know, when that is it's our time to go.

00:04:42.000 And uh, and that's I think what we have to do to make sure we we use the time we have to be good stewards to redeem the time as the word says, and that's to go hard.

00:04:51.000 But it doesn't just mean go hard for truth.

00:04:53.000 Andrew, it means go hard for loving people, it go hard for grace, go hard for mercy, just in general for the kingdom, go hard.

00:05:00.000 Yeah, amen.

00:05:01.000 And so we we we've got a lot of breaking news stuff to cover on this show, and we're we're going to do that.

00:05:07.000 And also we have Borders R Tom Homan, he's gonna be joining us in the second hour in studio, which is uh which is phenomenal.

00:05:15.000 But I you know, I I I have to start here, Steve, because you I am so insulated in some ways.

00:05:23.000 Like our days are packed from the time I wake up to the time I go to bed, we're we're just busy, busy, busy.

00:05:29.000 There's so much to work out, so many details, so many phone calls, so many relationships you need to keep up.

00:05:34.000 From the outside looking in.

00:05:37.000 What has this meant?

00:05:39.000 The losing Charlie.

00:05:40.000 What does this mean to the country?

00:05:41.000 What does this mean to the to the movement?

00:05:43.000 Give me your perspective on what has just transpired.

00:05:46.000 What just transpired is we had the the largest proclamation of the gospel in terms of volume of ears and eyes reached in the history of our species.

00:05:57.000 And what just transpired is even the the providential history that I knew Charlie was uh trying to push uh push us back to as a country, call us back to as a country.

00:06:07.000 And you always have a hit you always have a tendency to look back on the past and kind of view it in with nostalgia as if those people somehow tiptoed between the raindrops and didn't struggle with their own sinfulness and manifestations therein that we do today, and that's not necessarily true.

00:06:20.000 But those are traditions that that obviously we are coasting on the fumes of uh in our time now.

00:06:27.000 And I think even during the most providential times in our nation's history, um we have not seen high ranking figures, including the president and the vice president and cabinet officials stand up in front of the world and proclaim the gospel as boldly as what happened at the memorial service here uh a week or so ago.

00:06:48.000 I mean, it's what you're really watching.

00:06:50.000 I I think if if it's not a revival, Andrew, if we're not watching revival, I I think the Holy Spirit is at least testing us to see if we're ready for it.

00:06:59.000 And you know, a couple of years ago I was invited to uh a small gathering of Christian leaders around the country in Dallas, Texas.

00:07:06.000 And um it was essentially, hey, where are we as a country, as a culture, where are we headed?

00:07:11.000 And at the end, one of the uh the eldest guys there was like a scene out of the constitutional convention where Ben Franklin gets up there and says we have to stop and break for prayer as the elder statesman.

00:07:20.000 Because we all said we need revival, we need revival, we need revival, and the elder statesman gets up there and says, Are you guys sure you know what you're asking of God?

00:07:28.000 Because we're too comfortable and complacent right now for revival.

00:07:30.000 We won't receive it if he sends it.

00:07:32.000 So if you guys really want God to send revival, then you're asking him to turn up the heat of persecution and suffering to condition us for what it will take for us to truly turn to him.

00:07:42.000 And I think uh I think Charlie's martyrdom was at the very first uh uh, you know, uh metaphorically, a shot across the bow of turning up that heat.

00:07:52.000 Yeah, and the amount of people.

00:07:53.000 I mean, I listened to yesterday's show in its entirety and that opening montage you guys played of young people all over the country, haven't been to church in ages, never been to church, never picked up a Bible.

00:08:02.000 I'm going now, right?

00:08:03.000 And and that is something that uh Christianity produces the paradoxical nature of Christianity.

00:08:08.000 It's called redemptive suffering, and no other worldview presents it in the world, the world's worldview says to avoid suffering and be utilitarian, and the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few are the one, right?

00:08:18.000 Star Trek, right?

00:08:19.000 But Christianity actually says that the Lord leaves ninety-nine behind to find the one lost sheep.

00:08:25.000 And Charlie's life, I think, embodied that, and that's why you saw so many people that stood up and and testified to that at that memorial.

00:08:31.000 I have a question for you, actually.

00:08:32.000 Why, you know, we saw there one of those videos, a guy was like, I put on my suit and I'm going to I'm going to church, and we you know, there's this other story out of Lipscomb Academy with all these high schoolers put on suit jackets and ties to honor.

00:08:44.000 I haven't quite put my finger on what that is, but what do you think that is?

00:08:49.000 I think it's this idea that maybe I'm standing on holy ground and I need to clean up my act a little bit.

00:08:54.000 And and listen, I'm I'm a it's casual Friday at the Steve Day show every single day.

00:08:59.000 My audience hasn't seen me in a sport coat, like like you wear those, you know?

00:09:03.000 I know you have actually talked about this.

00:09:04.000 You're like, I'm putting on a jacket for Charlie.

00:09:06.000 I did it for Charlie.

00:09:06.000 I didn't actually tie that together, but you're right.

00:09:08.000 You you did the same.

00:09:09.000 And and I think it's it's recognition that um I need to I need to clean up my act a little bit.

00:09:14.000 I need to raise the standard, and Charlie raised that standard, and and now I am challenged to meet that standard now.

00:09:20.000 Yeah, I just I think it's a really beautiful thing.

00:09:22.000 I be you know, you look back at these videos and movies from the 1950s or the 40s, and everybody's always dressed in the case.

00:09:27.000 Like baseball games and sporting events.

00:09:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:29.000 Yeah, they would they would they had class and they had dignity and and it's interesting, this impulse that I'm seeing from you know, that they they could be they could be work in the oil fields, they could be, you know, like this guy you could tell he's like, I've never even worn a suit before, but I put it on, I'm going to church.

00:09:44.000 I I just think it's an interesting impulse because there is this thing within the culture.

00:09:50.000 We've gotten so lazy, lethargic, we've gotten so casual.

00:09:55.000 And there's a part of that, like, listen, there's a time and a place, but you know, the fact that people feel called higher, I think is a really beautiful thing.

00:10:03.000 Steve, you know, is it dece or dace?

00:10:06.000 You know, the family actually does not know.

00:10:08.000 Yeah.

00:10:08.000 So I was told it was dace.

00:10:10.000 When uh the family, some of them would say it was dece.

00:10:13.000 So I just think Dace sounds better.

00:10:15.000 It's pretty cool.

00:10:16.000 It does.

00:10:16.000 It's great.

00:10:17.000 And plus I loved Ace Freely was my favorite Kiss member as a kid.

00:10:20.000 My mom used to put the makeup on me and stuff.

00:10:22.000 And so they lose me there.

00:10:23.000 But I but I mean, I watched Happy Gilmore, so it's fine.

00:10:25.000 I I know.

00:10:27.000 So um so that I gotta tell you, so you're an Iowa guy.

00:10:31.000 And this story is shocking the country.

00:10:34.000 It's not the most breaking news.

00:10:36.000 It's happened a couple days ago, but this Ian Roberts character out of Iowa.

00:10:40.000 So he's a he's a an illegal immigrant.

00:10:43.000 An illegal alien. 0.99

00:10:44.000 And he's he's had a deportation order since last year.

00:10:47.000 So uh Ian Roberts This is shocking because it's Iowa.

00:10:50.000 Yeah.

00:10:50.000 And so he's making almost 300K a year as the superintendent of Des Moines schools.

00:10:55.000 Uh and Jackie Norris is the just and this is what's so weird about Iowa, because of the caucuses, we get all the pictures.

00:11:03.000 Yeah, there he is.

00:11:04.000 Yes, we get we get we get all these influxes of national influences into our state all the time.

00:11:09.000 Yeah.

00:11:09.000 And so Michelle Obama's former chief of staff is the is the head of the the Des Moines school district.

00:11:16.000 And just to it that would not happen in a state of our size in any other state, but because of Iowa, there's just these political headwinds there.

00:11:23.000 All right.

00:11:24.000 And so they hired this guy who's had a deportation order from the what do you have to do to have a deportation order from the Biden administration, by the way?

00:11:30.000 What do you think you have to do to get one of those?

00:11:32.000 So didn't have it, he had like uh he had a a weapons charge.

00:11:35.000 There's so many things that make this bad.

00:11:37.000 So like we're more stuff is coming out over time.

00:11:39.000 So for example, he originally got a student visa in Maryland, uh, and that expired.

00:11:44.000 Didn't leave, of course.

00:11:44.000 Or he's registered and registered to vote in Maryland.

00:11:47.000 Registered to vote.

00:11:47.000 Visa overstays drive me absolutely mad.

00:11:49.000 Certified that he was a citizen to get this job in Iowa, for which he presented apparently a social security card and uh form testifying.

00:11:57.000 So identity theft work.

00:11:58.000 Yeah.

00:11:58.000 Or or something.

00:11:59.000 Uh yeah, he had in he was in possession of a loaded handgun.

00:12:03.000 That's illegal to possess if you're not legally in the country at all.

00:12:06.000 Uh let's see, what else?

00:12:09.000 Um, his voting weapon on him.

00:12:12.000 His voter registration remained active even though he was moving to other states, but they become inactive.

00:12:17.000 But hold on, uh, Blake and Steve, I was told that illegals don't make it.

00:12:19.000 You've been reliably informed.

00:12:20.000 This doesn't happen.

00:12:21.000 The state board of elections in Maryland is obstructing efforts by the Department of Justice to like investigate this because of like the same state nonsense.

00:12:29.000 It's showing how corrupt and ridiculous system is.

00:12:32.000 We actually basically have to say blue states, especially are in like a sustained systematic effort to engage in like immigration fraud and engage in voter fraud.

00:12:44.000 Yes.

00:12:44.000 And like the most rational thing you can do at this point is basically say blue state records are like not valid for things.

00:12:50.000 Well, no, and this is their driver's license are not valid drivers.

00:12:52.000 Here's what this is exposing.

00:12:54.000 What you're talking about is there that that once there is an exposure, the light comes to the darkness.

00:12:59.000 There is a an incentive for these blue districts and municipalities, blue states, to then cover it up and not expose it.

00:13:08.000 So not only are you contributing to the problem, you're insisting that it can that it continue.

00:13:13.000 And and I've heard a lot of people say, well, how could this have happened?

00:13:15.000 How did he pass any kind of screening?

00:13:17.000 You have to understand, and this kind of ties in in a way with what Pete Heggseth announced this morning, right?

00:13:22.000 We're we're gonna actually do war here now.

00:13:25.000 We're we're gonna have warriors now and not social engineering.

00:13:28.000 And you have to understand they did do vetting, And they did do background.

00:13:31.000 It's just the there's a you know, I like to say on my show, Andrew, that worldview is destiny, and no one can rise above their own worldview.

00:13:38.000 They did vetting according to their worldview.

00:13:40.000 They were looking for a DEI candidate.

00:13:42.000 They were looking for someone that would subvert American culture. 0.56

00:13:45.000 They were looking for someone that would subvert your children and and help them to do a better and more efficient job of turning your children into gay race communists. 1.00

00:13:53.000 And that's exactly why they hired him.

00:13:55.000 They they did a thorough vetting.

00:13:57.000 They're not this is they got exactly what they wanted to do.

00:13:59.000 It's just their vetting standard would be different.

00:14:02.000 The worldview that they're operating with is different than ours.

00:14:05.000 So things like, well, are you actually a citizen?

00:14:08.000 That's just a minor technicality, especially because the they use the schools, for example, to replace your way of life to hijack your culture.

00:14:16.000 This is absolut you're watching replacement theory play itself out.

00:14:21.000 They act on their worldview accordingly.

00:14:24.000 Except for when it's not, and it actually acts.

00:14:26.000 Yeah, except for when the illegals are in charge of our school districts. 1.00

00:14:30.000 Correct.

00:14:30.000 So not only do you have woke commies that have insinuated themselves basically complete saturation within our school system.

00:14:37.000 Yes.

00:14:38.000 Now you have illegal immigrants that are getting paid. 1.00

00:14:40.000 As the kids say today, Andrew, it's it's not it's it's not a bug.

00:14:43.000 It's a feature.

00:14:44.000 It's a feature.

00:14:45.000 This worked exactly as it was intended to.

00:14:48.000 They just didn't think they would get caught.

00:14:49.000 A thousand percent.

00:14:50.000 And here's here's the question, Steve.

00:14:53.000 Do we abandon the institution and build our own, or do we try and re the long march back through the institutions?

00:15:01.000 What is what is your prescription?

00:15:02.000 I think first what we have to agree to do is that we will wield the power that we actually have.

00:15:08.000 I don't think we've even earned the right to answer that question yet.

00:15:10.000 That's fair.

00:15:10.000 I think we have to do and I think like the government shutdown that's happening right now or may occur.

00:15:15.000 Are we going to actually use the power that the people elected us and gave us because I I think we don't decide that, then that other question becomes moot.

00:15:23.000 Yeah, no, I mean there was this graph.

00:15:25.000 I actually retweeted it as well.

00:15:27.000 But it was talking about the share of conservatives or registered Republicans at these elite universities.

00:15:33.000 Right.

00:15:33.000 And I think at Harvard, it's like, you know, one percent.

00:15:37.000 I think the best, surprisingly, was UCLA at like 11%.

00:15:41.000 And the the guy quote uh who tweeted, he said, if we don't fix this, we can fix nothing.

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00:16:52.000 Got an email here from one of the listeners.

00:16:54.000 She said, Hi all.

00:16:55.000 To Andrew's question regarding suits.

00:16:57.000 Charlie elevated every standard by his words, his actions, his disciplines, choice of music he plays for his children, classical, not sure about Jolene, uh, little wink face, his incisiveness, uh incisiveness, and more.

00:17:09.000 I'm older, but I remember when pastors wore suits and had the Christian and American flags up by the podium, and then we wanted to appeal to the world outside the church doors, went from suits to Hawaiian shirts, question mark.

00:17:20.000 I wonder if that casual dress reflected a more casual approach to biblical truths.

00:17:24.000 Thank you, precious people.

00:17:26.000 Thank you.

00:17:27.000 Um and uh it doesn't have a name there, so we'll leave it.

00:17:30.000 But yeah, I mean, I I think that's right.

00:17:31.000 I think when you up the game, uh you know, a lot of people want to follow suit.

00:17:35.000 Steve I love I chuckled at the reference to Hawaiian shirts because I go off on this all the time.

00:17:39.000 Uh the who the the pastoral uniform in today's churches, Hawaiian shirts, even in January, although I guess in Arizona you can wear those, but not where I live.

00:17:47.000 Uh sweater vests year-round, pleated khakis, right?

00:17:50.000 Uh nicer than God, the uh the uh the graduates of the seminary of the uh uh Pensian uh sisters of fur perpetually furrowed brows, okay.

00:17:59.000 Uh that kind of stuff.

00:18:00.000 Uh there's a there's a let there's a third tablet.

00:18:03.000 Uh the Lord forgot to give Moses at Sinai, he forgot it, it just has one commandment on there, thou must be nice in all things no matter what, right?

00:18:10.000 That kind of stuff has is just plagued the American church.

00:18:13.000 The institutions in general.

00:18:15.000 I I see this email from this listener, and I'm like, you know, we've just seen this degradation of all the institutions, a lack of standards across the board, which ties in to what Pete Heggseth did this morning, which I I just you know, I I chuckled at it because uh I don't want to get the the clip here, but I the Charlie raged against what, Blake, fat generals.

00:18:40.000 He judged he would always he would always go off on Millie because Millie was like or yeah, yeah, like the you know, big yeah wide man.

00:18:48.000 He was really into white rage or something, yeah.

00:18:50.000 Yeah, reading about it.

00:18:51.000 You'd just be like, why don't you just like put the put the donuts down, Tubby, and like look a little trim.

00:18:56.000 Yeah, well so let's uh let's give a little hegseth love here.

00:18:59.000 Play Cup 44.

00:19:00.000 Frankly, it's tiring to look out at combat formations or really any formation and see fat troops.

00:19:07.000 Likewise, it's completely unacceptable to see fat generals and admirals in the halls of the Pentagon and leading commands around the country in the world.

00:19:15.000 It's a bad look.

00:19:16.000 It is bad, and it's not who we are.

00:19:18.000 You know, I have this weird sneaking suspicion, Steve, that that you know, Charlie and Pete were very close.

00:19:24.000 And Charlie would rail against this stuff.

00:19:26.000 I'm pretty sure he would tell Pete about this that like part of me is is just like very aware that Pete is channeling a little bit of the Charlie Kirk like gumption, the the get after it spirit.

00:19:37.000 So uh this one's kind of personal to me on two fronts.

00:19:40.000 One, um, I have fought a battle of the bulge in my own personal life for the last decade.

00:19:45.000 You're looking great.

00:19:46.000 I appreciate it.

00:19:46.000 We're making progress, but I would still be probably uh what uh Pete would consider a fat general.

00:19:51.000 All right, but but I'm not a general, so he's right. 0.94

00:19:54.000 The yet the generals cannot be fat.

00:19:56.000 And then I've my son-in-law, shout out to uh my uh daughter Anna and her husband Steve.

00:20:00.000 Uh he's a soldier.

00:20:02.000 And so, you know, he's gone through all of the the recent uh fitness uh standards and things of that nature and upping your game where that's concerned and the various incentives uh therein.

00:20:12.000 And I and I just uh you have to ask yourself what every previous generation of Americans, regardless of how they voted, regardless of how they voted, what would every previous generations of Americans until now have said to the idea that we literally have to stop the military from getting fat?

00:20:29.000 What w what would they think we just let how bad did we let go of the rope system wide as a culture?

00:20:36.000 That that you have an illegal alien is the superintendent of the largest school district in one of Amer one of America states, and the secretary of defense slash war has to tell his his soldiers to stop being fat. 0.83

00:20:49.000 And I think that that and Charlie spoke a lot to this with the young men.

00:20:52.000 I think this is where the anger and frustration of the of the Zoomer generation is coming in. 1.00

00:20:57.000 They're looking at us, their parents and grandparents, and saying, What were you guys doing for the last generation that you left us this big giant mess?

00:21:05.000 How did you guys just systemically get so comfortable and so complacent that every single institution is degraded, if not weaponized against me before I ever step into full adulthood here and try to become a husband father, business owner, and productive American.

00:21:21.000 I think that's so I think that's so well said because you know Charlie was a big believer that this is the greatest country in the history of of the world.

00:21:28.000 And we we say that proudly, we believe it.

00:21:30.000 I believe that America is uh providential.

00:21:32.000 I believe God has his hand on our country, and yet and yet to if you look at just the the DMV, if you look at the post office, you I mean, Blake loves to rail against shipbuilding.

00:21:44.000 We can't make things in we can't make anything.

00:21:46.000 Like it's like how did we get here?

00:21:48.000 Like, you know, he's given this speech about our generals being fat.

00:21:50.000 But like, let's say we had to, you know, be in a conflict with China, like a real conflict with China.

00:21:56.000 And like it would just be over.

00:21:58.000 They can out make they can make drones better than us at probably 50 to 1, they can make ships that better than us, 200 to one.

00:22:04.000 They can make more planes, they can make more shell, they can make more of everything.

00:22:07.000 75% of our antibiotics supply is made by the way.

00:22:11.000 Well, I mean, listen, I do think that the American spirit, just like in World War II would rise and we would find ways around this stuff.

00:22:17.000 We wouldn't win, we didn't win World War II with spirit.

00:22:20.000 We won World War II with we could make 200 more times.

00:22:23.000 I'm just saying I like you know, but we ramped up very quickly, we would be forced to ramp up very quickly again.

00:22:28.000 And I and I do believe, you know, we would have to do that.

00:22:30.000 But Andrew, this is worldview is destiny again.

00:22:32.000 The military we had before is exactly what the left and the spirit of the age wanted.

00:22:37.000 That that this wasn't an accident.

00:22:39.000 They weren't aware that they were making us weaker.

00:22:41.000 It was a managed decline.

00:22:43.000 They were doing this on purpose.

00:22:45.000 Right.

00:22:45.000 And and you know, and I think we need to come to grips with that on our side, because if we don't come to grips with with it, then we won't that question you asked me a while ago.

00:22:54.000 We won't we'll say we'll say stuff like, well, if we did this to them, then they'll do this to us when they have power.

00:23:00.000 I they're already doing everything to us.

00:23:01.000 That's exactly right.

00:23:02.000 They're already doing everything to us.

00:23:03.000 So to me, either we will use the power vested in us by the voters in order to punish evil or evil will continue.

00:23:10.000 Well, let's talk about this more because I I you know sent a note to Pete.

00:23:14.000 I have no idea if he'll see it, but I just said, great job.

00:23:16.000 That took balls. 1.00

00:23:18.000 It really did.

00:23:19.000 Took courage, and that's the the least common of all the virtues.

00:23:22.000 And that's what it's really gonna take is that our leaders get encouraged to do the hard things because you know that the New York Times and Tahanisi Coates and and Nicole Hanna-Jones are gonna write nasty little grams about you in the New York Times, and Joe Scarborough is gonna call you a fascist or whoever's gonna do what.

00:23:38.000 It takes guts to look these demons in the eye.

00:23:42.000 I'm not necessarily calling them demons, but there are real demons, and they they they heal insults and and Charlie was I mean, amazing at basically like laughing off the the attacks.

00:23:52.000 How do we use power?

00:23:54.000 What is the So we this is something that we have talked about a lot on this show is that we must use power.

00:24:00.000 Right wing wet revolution, Charlie's book was all about I'm acting it was actually a counter-revolutionary book, by the way.

00:24:08.000 It was we don't want blood in the streets.

00:24:10.000 We want we want to restore the idea of the the founders.

00:24:14.000 We want to store the constitution.

00:24:16.000 And the idea is is that we have to use power to restore this, and we can't be afraid of it.

00:24:21.000 So what is blocking us?

00:24:23.000 What's blocking us is twofold.

00:24:24.000 Number one, we've had a passive church for a generation.

00:24:27.000 I totally agree.

00:24:28.000 That has watered down masculinity, the the idea of initiative, power, uh that uh complacency was the highest virtue.

00:24:36.000 Being nice was the highest virtue.

00:24:38.000 So we haven't been properly catechized into what this what meekness means.

00:24:43.000 When Jesus says the meek shall inherit the earth, what does it mean? 0.91

00:24:46.000 Meekness is power under control.

00:24:48.000 That's what it means.

00:24:49.000 We but a lot of our men, whether it's absent-minded fathers, absent-minded masculinity in the pulpit, have not been discipled into what it means to use power under control.

00:24:58.000 And then the other problem that we have uh is with the s the so-called phenomenon of the uniparty.

00:25:04.000 And this is what movements that like what TP USA is a part of, what Trump has done to break up this idea.

00:25:10.000 Well, you know, I I you all the names you just mentioned.

00:25:13.000 I think everyone with the sound of my voice should scream at your radio or at your screen right now.

00:25:17.000 Why does anybody I'm voting for give a rip what any of those names think about them?

00:25:22.000 Totally.

00:25:22.000 But here's the thing.

00:25:23.000 W all those names you mentioned, they are very relevant.

00:25:25.000 Unfortunately, a lot of the people we've been voting for for a long time do care more about what those people say about them than what audiences like this say says about them.

00:25:33.000 And and those two things are what we are up against.

00:25:36.000 And so when we get elected, when we have power, listen, we have a code, right?

00:25:40.000 We have to love our neighbor as we love ourselves, but there's another code also that says in Romans 13 that the purpose of government is to be an avenging angel to bring the sword of righteousness against evil to punish evil.

00:25:52.000 The only reason Almighty God allows sinful human beings to govern themselves on any level or have governments at all is to keep the moral order to punish evil.

00:26:00.000 And we have to do that.

00:26:02.000 And I think everything, the whole rules of engagement and traditions and decorums throw all of that out.

00:26:07.000 All right, and what here's the new rule.

00:26:09.000 Here are the new rules of engagement that I'm gonna suggest to your audience.

00:26:12.000 Everything other than explicitly what the word of God says we cannot do to win, we're gonna do everything else.

00:26:18.000 That's it.

00:26:18.000 Those are the new rules of engagement.

00:26:20.000 All right.

00:26:20.000 So we're not gonna bear false witness.

00:26:22.000 We're not we're not gonna break the Ten Commandments, all right?

00:26:24.000 We're not gonna set up our own idolatries to mimic theirs.

00:26:26.000 We'll never be as good at it as they are anyway.

00:26:28.000 Okay.

00:26:29.000 All right, but anything short of what the word of God says we cannot do, we're gonna do everything else.

00:26:34.000 And I want your audience to also know we're not even close to that line yet.

00:26:37.000 We're not even close to crossing that line yet.

00:26:39.000 And it's because of soft churches that a lot of a lot of guys think, well, if I hurt somebody's feelings, all right.

00:26:44.000 If if I go to the school board meeting and offend them and they scream at me and throw me out, I mean, did I do something wrong?

00:26:49.000 No, that at the exact opposite is true.

00:26:51.000 You did something very, very right.

00:26:53.000 So go back again and make them throw you out again and go back again and again and again and again.

00:26:57.000 And I think this is where our rules of engagement guys have To dramatically change.

00:27:02.000 And Charlie understood that.

00:27:03.000 And the reason why he had conviction in the face of the critics you're talking about was his worldview.

00:27:07.000 He understood ultimately to whom he belonged.

00:27:10.000 He understood ultimately what the source of truth was.

00:27:12.000 He understood ultimately what the source of justice was.

00:27:14.000 And so he didn't view their their opinions of him as something to be concerned about because he was actually opposing their worldview, not trying to appease it.

00:27:23.000 Yeah, I mean, there's that great clip of Charlie.

00:27:25.000 I I think we played it yesterday from gosh, all the days blur into one lately.

00:27:29.000 But yeah, where he he just knew.

00:27:31.000 He was asked, What is your what is your role here?

00:27:33.000 He's like, My role is to confront evil and proclaim the truth.

00:27:37.000 Jesus said for this reason I came into the world to testify to the truth.

00:27:40.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:27:40.000 And uh so it's you know, you look at Pete Heggseth, you look at Anapolina Luna, you look at there's a there's people that stand out for their courage to speak up and be loud and and vocal, and we're gonna need more of that.

00:27:52.000 And and one of the legacies I hope that the Charlie ends up leaving is that that we have a reformed and robust conservative movement with leaders that are not afraid to speak truth and power and to make the demon shudder in high places.

00:28:07.000 So, Steve, we've got Tom Home and Bordersar coming on next.

00:28:12.000 Let's let's start setting the table for borders, boundaries.

00:28:17.000 This is something Charlie liked to talk about a lot.

00:28:20.000 He got so mad at all the pastors who are just like, well, the Bible says you have to love other people.

00:28:25.000 So really that means like you just have to have an open border, man.

00:28:28.000 Yeah, we just love the aliens.

00:28:29.000 So set the table for us.

00:28:30.000 You got about a minute, minute and twenty seconds here.

00:28:33.000 Does the Bible believe in borders?

00:28:34.000 100%.

00:28:35.000 And there's a reason the founders look so much to the old testament because they thought, well, God established himself a nation once.

00:28:41.000 So let's look for precedent on what you know he wants.

00:28:45.000 What are the laws of nature and nature's God?

00:28:47.000 Boundaries were strictly enforced in Old Testament Israel.

00:28:51.000 You had to assimilate.

00:28:52.000 You know, Charlie was fond of saying that immigration without assimilation is invasion.

00:28:56.000 You had to assimilate, for example, the book of Ruth, a book that's often quoted at weddings, like my own.

00:29:01.000 But what happens is Ruth is a Moabitus. 0.99

00:29:03.000 So she's not allowed into the assembly of God.

00:29:05.000 She has to convert.

00:29:06.000 And what does she say?

00:29:08.000 That's where that verse we say at our weddings, your people be my people, your God will be my God.

00:29:11.000 She has to convert.

00:29:12.000 She has to assimilate into the religion of Israel and follow Jehovah and leave behind her old way of life in order to be put in and crafted into that covenant. 0.89

00:29:22.000 And so those were the models of assimilation that we displayed and showed and followed for two and a half centuries in America until this last generation.

00:29:31.000 Yeah, I think that's really important.

00:29:32.000 We're gonna play some clips from Charlie.

00:29:34.000 Charlie talking about borders, because it was actually one of his most passionate issues because it was to your point, Blake, it was one of the most often bastardized parts of scripture by your just run-of-the-mill pastors, or by especially mainline or or like non-religious people doing that like.

00:29:50.000 Well, the Bible says you have to let me do everything I want.

00:29:55.000 Yeah, but it doesn't say let ten million of them flood your borders.

00:29:57.000 That's called a that's called an invasion, folks.

00:29:59.000 There's so many good I I I can't even pick which one.

00:30:02.000 You Blake, you pick which one.

00:30:04.000 Let's let's just start with 59, please.

00:30:05.000 59.

00:30:06.000 Well, first we must start and acknowledge there's plenty of scriptures that say you should love the foreigner because you were once strangers in Egypt, Leviticus 19.

00:30:13.000 And I mean, there's plenty of scriptures that say that.

00:30:15.000 There's also equ equal amount of scriptures that warn you about how foreigners can become your masters. 0.76

00:30:20.000 In the end of Deuteronomy, Moses explicitly says that in his farewell address.

00:30:24.000 We can continue that there.

00:30:25.000 Let's follow up with 63.

00:30:28.000 The warning in the later parts of Deuteronomy, where Moses is giving his farewell address, and he warns the people of Israel before they enter the land of milk and honey.

00:30:36.000 Hey, be careful of foreigners in the land because they will soon be your masters if you have too many of them, if they multiply. 1.00

00:30:42.000 It's a very interesting teaching.

00:30:44.000 Yes, it is.

00:30:44.000 Right.

00:30:45.000 And that cautionary tale is not usually talked about in churches.

00:30:48.000 Usually it's all about open borders and all this.

00:30:50.000 Not compassion.

00:30:51.000 Yeah, not the equally caution that Moses gave to the chosen people before going into Israel.

00:30:57.000 Steve, your reaction, because we're about to have Tom Homan, Border Tsar, he's gonna be in the studio. 0.97

00:31:02.000 We're so honored to have him too.

00:31:04.000 And we're gonna be talking about all of this stuff going on with ice, this degradation of the ref respect for the rule of law.

00:31:10.000 The borders, the Bible is very clear on borders, nationality, and the drawing out of righteous lines that delineate nations.

00:31:16.000 And I think we have to explain why.

00:31:18.000 It's the maintaining of a heritage.

00:31:20.000 So as the second temple period begins, and Zarababa goes back to rebuild the temple, and Nehemiah and Ezra are now helping to rebuild the walls and dedicate the temple.

00:31:28.000 Nehemiah finds out that they've gone back to allowing foreigners into the covenant, into the temple. 0.99

00:31:33.000 They're doing all the same mistakes they did before, which is what led them to go down into the valley of Ben Hinnon or Topith, which is a Hebrew word for hell and throw their babies into the fire to Moloch. 0.90

00:31:41.000 All right.

00:31:42.000 And so how does Nehemiah respond?

00:31:44.000 Mass deportations.

00:31:45.000 Nehemiah, mass deportations.

00:31:47.000 You're doing it all over again.

00:31:48.000 We're making all the same mistakes again.

00:31:50.000 The point of the wall and the border is to maintain our heritage.

00:31:53.000 So mass deportations.

00:31:54.000 And I think it's very important for people to understand sojourner and squatter are not the same thing.

00:32:00.000 And often they get conflated.

00:32:02.000 And what you're being sold is that you have to give squatters rights to illegal aliens. 0.79

00:32:06.000 And no, you don't.

00:32:07.000 You have every right biblically to protect your heritage, particularly one that is based in the providential nature, such as ours.

00:32:13.000 So squatters and sejoiners are not the same thing.

00:32:17.000 One more Charlie clip that I think is good.

00:32:19.000 It's not just that borders are biblical, but like nations are biblical.

00:32:22.000 It's not you know, we might be one body of Christ, but we're not like all a bunch of automaton robots.

00:32:27.000 So let's do a 64.

00:32:28.000 We have this in Genesis 11 when Nimrod wanted to create a one world government, a oneness of humanity.

00:32:34.000 And God hated it, actually.

00:32:36.000 God spread it into different nations and people, and we got diversity out of that moment because when you have the one world government, remember what Nimrod said, he said, we are going to make a city upon our name, in our name.

00:32:47.000 And so God decentralized power by definition.

00:32:49.000 And there is no better way to decentralize power on the planet than having hundreds of different countries and different cultures and backgrounds and people and languages.

00:32:56.000 So therefore you then you then can logically get to the idea of borders and boundaries, which again is a biblical idea.

00:33:05.000 And you know, in the last uh public speech he gave in in Japan, that was a thing he said.

00:33:10.000 Uh that's what I talked about you know, what globalism wants to do is it wants to take imagine taking everything at a Thanksgiving meal.

00:33:18.000 You know, you've got your cranberry salad, you've got your turkey, you've got your stuff, and you got your mash pedos.

00:33:22.000 And just putting all it in a blender and just blending it until it's the slurry.

00:33:25.000 I totally agree.

00:33:26.000 This is diversity.

00:33:26.000 This is variety.

00:33:27.000 Yeah, two things stand out to me, yeah, as we're just talking about this.

00:33:30.000 Charlie used to always say uh that borders are where bad ideas end and good ideas begin.

00:33:36.000 And you can see that by the way, a country is run poorly or if it's run well.

00:33:41.000 And you know, and and yes, yeah, just this this sense of uh this idea of diversity.

00:33:45.000 It's such an important point, Steve.

00:33:47.000 And you know, I'm gonna give the last minute to you here.

00:33:50.000 But the diversity is, you know, their idea of it's putting them all together, and you get this mush, this this mix up.

00:33:58.000 But actually, borders preserve diversity, preserve heritage.

00:34:01.000 Correct.

00:34:01.000 So when you, you know, so okay, I the floor is yours and what you the what you'll note, you'll always know they're lying when the power and or the policies they pursue grant them more power and control.

00:34:14.000 The progressivism, leftism, spirit of the age, whatever you guys want to call it, it has two primary hallmarks in all of its language and all of its policies and all of its dictums, all of its practicums.

00:34:24.000 Power and control.

00:34:25.000 And so that usually means they're doing the exact opposite of what they promise you they're going to do, and it almost always means they're projecting unto you that which they're actually doing.

00:34:33.000 You can count on that every single time.

00:34:35.000 Steve, really quick, tell people where they can follow you, your show, where they can watch it.

00:34:39.000 Easiest thing to do, follow me on X at Steve Day Show.

00:34:42.000 Everything I do there is uh everything we do is catalog there, it's indexed there at Steve Day Show, D-E-A-C-E on X. Yeah, and Charlie love watching your show.

00:34:50.000 So thank you.

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00:35:59.000 I'm joined by A really dear friend of both the show, Turning Point USA and of Charlie's.

00:36:04.000 And that's uh Borders R Tom Home. 0.72

00:36:07.000 And thank you so much, Tom, for making this trip out of your way to come see us.

00:36:11.000 You got it.

00:36:11.000 Thanks for the invite.

00:36:12.000 Yeah.

00:36:13.000 Well, listen, you know, I just want to start with the obvious question.

00:36:18.000 You know, you're sitting next to Charlie's empty chair.

00:36:22.000 You know, you're hugging our team.

00:36:24.000 I g I mean, I can see that this is means a lot to you and it's affected you.

00:36:29.000 So you know, what has this meant to you and you know, where where where do we go from here, you know.

00:36:37.000 Well, look, I'm a pretty tough guy, but uh what happened at Charlie broke my heart.

00:36:43.000 There's your heart right on your chest.

00:36:45.000 I mean Charlie talk quite often.

00:36:48.000 And um, I believe what he was doing.

00:36:51.000 Uh what he was doing is a big part of saving this country, just like President Trump for why I came back twice from retirement to help President Trump save this country.

00:37:02.000 So uh I made my commitment to Charlie and turning point.

00:37:07.000 I'll do anything I can to help this organization.

00:37:09.000 God bless you.

00:37:10.000 Because of the great work you're doing again to help save this country.

00:37:15.000 There's country's is turbulent.

00:37:18.000 I think uh Charlie brought out discussion, get people start thinking, keep talking.

00:37:24.000 Because talking is better than violence.

00:37:27.000 Um the day the day of the incident, I was in my office in the West Wing and just broke my heart.

00:37:44.000 You're such a good man.

00:37:47.000 Just trying to open dialogue between those who hated him.

00:37:52.000 Uh I often do the same.

00:37:53.000 I I give speeches, and I know there's a lot of people don't like Tom Holman what he does.

00:37:57.000 But we don't shy away from getting out there trying to get the truth out.

00:38:01.000 Um I'll do everything I can for turning point.

00:38:08.000 Thank you, Tom.

00:38:09.000 Because I think we we both just want to get the truth out there.

00:38:12.000 We both want a better country.

00:38:14.000 We both want a country better for our kids.

00:38:17.000 That's exactly right.

00:38:20.000 Well, Tom, I know that I speak on behalf of not only everybody in this show, but everybody at Turning Point and Erica when I say that you are a good man and you're a patriot.

00:38:31.000 Charlie loved you and respected you.

00:38:33.000 And when you came back for Trump 2.0, you know, we knew that you were the right man for the job and that you had the guts and the courage to do the job.

00:38:43.000 And um I know that uh Charlie loved you.

00:38:46.000 I know you love Charlie, and turning point, we still love you.

00:38:49.000 The Charlie Kirk show, we we love you.

00:38:52.000 And um, we thank you so much for making this extra special trip.

00:38:55.000 I know Arizona is a place you you do a lot of work anyways, yeah.

00:38:59.000 But I'm I'm so grateful that you came and made this made this special trip.

00:39:03.000 So you honor us.

00:39:04.000 Me and Charlie talked a lot.

00:39:06.000 I've done I've done a show a lot of times.

00:39:08.000 Matter of fact, I was supposed to be in El Paso doing an event with you.

00:39:11.000 That's right.

00:39:11.000 You were gonna be on the tour.

00:39:12.000 Yeah, I was gonna be on the tour.

00:39:14.000 Um looking forward to it.

00:39:16.000 And uh, but again, I think uh turning point to good hands with Erica.

00:39:22.000 I just I just had a conversation with her.

00:39:24.000 So proud of her.

00:39:25.000 Me too.

00:39:26.000 Such a strong, strong woman.

00:39:28.000 So um I think turning point.

00:39:32.000 People ain't seen anything yet.

00:39:34.000 Yeah.

00:39:34.000 I think this age, I think this whole organization's going to increase a thousandfold.

00:39:39.000 We're gonna ten exit, Tom.

00:39:41.000 We're gonna ten exit.

00:39:42.000 God bless you.

00:39:43.000 We're gonna make this as Erica says the biggest thing you've ever seen.

00:39:46.000 We're gonna do it for Charlie.

00:39:47.000 We're gonna do it for this country.

00:39:48.000 We're gonna do it because God compels us, and we're all committed to that vision.

00:39:52.000 And Erica set the tone, and she deserves a lot of respect.

00:39:55.000 And and she has the respect of this of the the team, both here at the Charlie Kirk Show and at Turning Point, Turning Point Action.

00:40:02.000 Tom, I want to talk to you about something that impacts you personally with what you're doing at with the border patrol, ice.

00:40:10.000 And that is this rising violence, this tide of violence, and it is left-wing vigilanteism.

00:40:16.000 And it's shocking and terrifying.

00:40:18.000 I'm gonna play it.

00:40:19.000 This is a new clip.

00:40:20.000 Uh Fox News Rutgers University has done a new poll, and uh, I want to get your reaction.

00:40:26.000 Play Cut 57.

00:40:28.000 I'm gonna ask you about this Ruckers reporting.

00:40:30.000 Uh on the network contagion research center.

00:40:34.000 This is their conclusion, okay.

00:40:36.000 Users online are increasingly associating the mimification of Luigi Mangioni with calls for political violence against Elon Musk, President Trump, and others, reflecting the growing cyber social presence of assassination culture.

00:40:50.000 And I show you have some findings that they have here on justification.

00:40:55.000 It's alarming.

00:40:56.000 Um, and I want to put this up here.

00:40:58.000 This is a justification for murder of Elon Musk and Donald Trump.

00:41:02.000 And you'll see here, they found that when it came to the left of center, 50% thought that it was justified to murder Elon Musk.

00:41:12.000 56% for President Trump.

00:41:16.000 So just to reiterate, Rutgers University has discovered that 50% of left of center respondents believed it is justified to murder Elon Musk for his opinions.

00:41:28.000 56% believed it's justified to kill Donald Trump for his.

00:41:32.000 And I'm assuming had they asked ICE agents about ICE or ICE agents, that number would be similar.

00:41:39.000 What do you do in an environment like this?

00:41:43.000 Don't stop.

00:41:44.000 Don't stop.

00:41:46.000 Don't fold.

00:41:47.000 You know, my dad taught me as a young teenager, never go start a fight, never go look for a fight, but don't run away from one either.

00:41:57.000 We're not running anywhere.

00:41:59.000 It's amazing.

00:42:01.000 This is not the country I grew up in.

00:42:04.000 And that's what was great about Charlie and President Trump.

00:42:08.000 They want that country back where, you know, we can talk our differences and not be violent.

00:42:15.000 So it shocks me.

00:42:16.000 It shocks me to hear that.

00:42:17.000 I didn't know that just a couple minutes ago.

00:42:20.000 That this is really where we're at as a nation.

00:42:25.000 I truly believe the vast majority of Americans are peaceful.

00:42:31.000 God fearing, American loving people.

00:42:34.000 But you got that fraction of people that uh have just lost their minds.

00:42:38.000 I mean, attacks against ICE officers is up over a thousand percent.

00:42:43.000 And what people don't see if you stop and think about it, ICE officers, they're not you know, heartless robots.

00:42:49.000 They don't hang their heart on a hook every day they go to work.

00:42:52.000 Their moms and dads do.

00:42:53.000 They're sons and daughters.

00:42:55.000 And they put a gun on their hip and put a bulletproof vest on to go do their job.

00:43:01.000 And and and they don't make a lot of money doing it.

00:43:05.000 And it's the hate for them, toward them is based on a lot of faults, negative rhetoric being pushed by members of Congress, or um, members of the media, mayors, governors of sanctuary.

00:43:18.000 Well, let's let's play some of this then.

00:43:20.000 This is because a lot of this right now, the story is around Chicago, it's around Portland.

00:43:26.000 And I know that there was a lot of protest, I would call it uh worse than protests, riots, it's violence, it's intimidation, it's thug culture, it's uh Antifa culture.

00:43:38.000 And you know, you've got Oregon governors and uh, you know, Tina Kotec, you know, saying there's no insurrection, there's no threat to national security.

00:43:47.000 Play cut 33.

00:43:49.000 I have been abundantly clear with them that Portland and the state of Oregon believe in the rule of law, and we can manage our own uh local public safety needs.

00:44:01.000 There is no insurrection, there is no threat to national security, and there is no need for military troops in our major city.

00:44:13.000 Military service members should be dedicated to real emergencies.

00:44:18.000 The members of the Oregon National Guard, their mission is to stand up and protect Oregonians, and they will do that every day, but they are not needed in the city.

00:44:27.000 They are not needed here.

00:44:30.000 Your reaction.

00:44:31.000 She should take a drive around Portland.

00:44:33.000 I just wasn't Portland three weeks ago.

00:44:35.000 I'll do that at the ICE facility that's under attack every night.

00:44:39.000 Matter of fact, I I became a little angry because of the damage done to the building, the graffiti.

00:44:45.000 And I asked the person one of the people there who's in charge of security.

00:44:50.000 Why why are we not cleaning this up?

00:44:53.000 Uh and he says, Well, because we'll have to clean it up again tomorrow because I'll come right back and damage the property again.

00:44:59.000 You're talking About people damaging United States federal property with the felony.

00:45:04.000 You're talking about following our employees home from work to their homes.

00:45:08.000 Putting them at great risk.

00:45:09.000 She ought to go look at the ice facility.

00:45:12.000 Go to the ICE facility and sit there for 24 hours and see what these men and women deal with every day.

00:45:16.000 Yeah.

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00:46:23.000 Borders are Tom Homan is with us in studio paying his respects.

00:46:26.000 And also, you know, you're drawing a line in the sand.

00:46:29.000 You're saying you're not going to back down.

00:46:31.000 I just showed you that terrible new report from Rutgers University about the magioniism of the magioni effect, the assassination culture.

00:46:41.000 And this was an interesting thing that happened last night.

00:46:44.000 It's Cut 56, if you want to get it ready.

00:46:48.000 This is Nick Shirley who does sort of street journalism.

00:46:51.000 He goes out with a camera.

00:46:53.000 He gets a he gets confronted by an Antifa militant now who's a domestic terrorist, and he's threatening him, and all of a sudden these these lights start shining on this guy.

00:47:03.000 So I want you to explain what happened here.

00:47:04.000 And this is in Portland, and this is the clash between, you know, domestic terrorists and federal officers.

00:47:12.000 Play cut 56.

00:47:14.000 I have the right to be here.

00:47:15.000 Okay, did I say that?

00:47:16.000 I have the right to be here.

00:47:18.000 I have the right to film.

00:47:19.000 You have DHS watching you right there, lasered on you.

00:47:22.000 You have a sniper lasered on you right now.

00:47:23.000 I don't give a f stop it.

00:47:25.000 Stop taking your camera in people's face.

00:47:28.000 I didn't do anything wrong.

00:47:30.000 You have a sniper on you right now.

00:47:32.000 You have a sniper on you right now.

00:47:34.000 What's going on in that clip?

00:47:36.000 Well, look, you guys somebody trying to, you know, they think they have the right to protest in Tifa and turn that protest into criminal activity, damaging federal property, assaulting federal agents, but they don't want journalism anywhere around because journalism is going to tell the truth.

00:47:51.000 And they don't they don't want the American people to know the truth.

00:47:53.000 You know, they want to play the victims.

00:47:55.000 You know, if we're in a we're in a we're in a situation now where the bad guy is the victims, and the good guys want to enforce the law, try and make this country safe again.

00:48:04.000 They're the bad guys, and the bad guys are actually the victims.

00:48:06.000 You got to completely turn around.

00:48:07.000 Yeah.

00:48:07.000 And TV's a good guys, you're the victims.

00:48:09.000 Ice are bad guys. 1.00

00:48:10.000 Here's a journal journalist trying to show the American people what exactly happened.

00:48:14.000 They don't want that.

00:48:14.000 They don't want the truth out to American people and what exactly they're doing.

00:48:18.000 Check out this tweet.

00:48:19.000 This is uh from Ron Wyden in 221.

00:48:24.000 Throw it up if you can.

00:48:25.000 Trump is launching an authoritarian takeover of Portland, hoping to provoke conflict in my hometown.

00:48:33.000 I urge Oreg Oregonians to reject Trump's attempt to incite violence.

00:48:37.000 Oh, so it's Trump, it's President Trump who's inciting violence in all your ICE agents, just for existing.

00:48:42.000 Uh, in a vibrant and peaceful city.

00:48:45.000 By the way, this is completely garbage on its face, by the way.

00:48:50.000 Portland is rife with this militant faction of residents that have been pandered to and catered to and treated with kid gloves for so long that they feel that they can run rough roughshod over the city of Portland.

00:49:03.000 Uh, what do you say to this accusation that President Trump is a fascist and authoritarian and he shouldn't be disp deploying troops in American cities?

00:49:11.000 President Trump's trying to make his country safe again.

00:49:14.000 And a lot of these sanctuary cities, they're not safe at all.

00:49:17.000 I just said I was in Portland a few weeks ago.

00:49:19.000 It's not safe.

00:49:20.000 I saw the damage they do.

00:49:21.000 They attacked the building every night.

00:49:23.000 And you know what?

00:49:23.000 Look what President Jordan did in Washington, DC.

00:49:26.000 Look at the crime.

00:49:27.000 Oh, that got reduced within days of his action.

00:49:30.000 He made a promise to American people he's gonna make this country safe again.

00:49:33.000 If that if that involves troops, then so be it.

00:49:36.000 It's gonna make those neighborhoods safer.

00:49:38.000 You would think the mayor of Portland and the governor of Oregon would be calling President Trump up and thanking him to come to the table and helping giving them resources to make those streets safe again for their constituents for their taxpayers.

00:49:49.000 100%.

00:49:50.000 Well, and let's let's play a cut uh clip that would reinforce your point here.

00:49:54.000 Uh this is a Portland resident praising President Trump for deploying the military to squash this.

00:50:00.000 This is cut 34.

00:50:02.000 I am so happy that Trump is sending the National Guard in here.

00:50:08.000 I live in this building.

00:50:09.000 We actually we both live in this building.

00:50:12.000 We've been asking for help for months, and we're finally gonna get it.

00:50:18.000 When do you think they're coming?

00:50:20.000 When?

00:50:22.000 Not soon enough, man.

00:50:24.000 Not soon enough.

00:50:25.000 That's a that's a real resident.

00:50:26.000 He lives right near the ICE facility, and he's been living with this domestic terror group assaulting federal officers.

00:50:35.000 Not to mention, Tom, what happened in Texas where you had somebody shooting up an ICE facility.

00:50:41.000 Is this uh how what's the spree decor of border patrol and ice?

00:50:47.000 I mean, we had all this the surge of applicants.

00:50:50.000 Are we still seeing that?

00:50:51.000 Are people stay staying strong?

00:50:52.000 Are they staying on mission?

00:50:53.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:50:54.000 They're uh the morale's on an all-time high because they're they're getting the force of the law.

00:50:58.000 They're getting to all the hold of the oath they took when they signed up to do that job, whether it's a borbitro iCE.

00:51:04.000 And what people need to understand, all this you know, fake rhetoric about who ICE is arresting.

00:51:10.000 Right around 70%, 7-0 percent of the people ICE arrests aren't criminals.

00:51:14.000 Whether left is saying, Oh, they're not criminal enough.

00:51:16.000 Well, they're criminal.

00:51:17.000 And the other 30% includes national security threats who don't have criminal histories and people who have final orders been they had due process at great taxpayer expense, or removed by federal judge became a fugitive.

00:51:28.000 ICE, if you actually look, go to the ICE website, look at the data.

00:51:34.000 You see, without a doubt, they're making these streets safe again.

00:51:37.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:38.000 One illegal criminal at a time.

00:51:39.000 Of course.

00:51:40.000 So what's the little animal there?

00:51:41.000 Oh, well, yeah, that's the little animal there is uh Charlie's daughter watched the show every day, and so she would give him little toys to take with, and uh he would test her.

00:51:55.000 He would put the the he would show the toy or he'd not show the toy and test her.

00:52:00.000 Did you you know did you see it?

00:52:01.000 Did you see me lift it up?

00:52:02.000 And um, he would he would mention it on the show, and she said, Yeah, I saw it.

00:52:05.000 And it's it's really a beautiful, beautiful thing.

00:52:08.000 And so we're just leaving that.

00:52:10.000 We're leaving that.

00:52:12.000 Yeah.

00:52:13.000 So, Tom, as I said, if people want to get involved, they want to apply, they want to be a part of the solution.

00:52:20.000 Maybe they're 20, they don't know what they're doing with their lives.

00:52:24.000 Maybe they're 35 and they're at a job that they don't want to be at anymore, and they want to help the country, they want to help be a part of your mission.

00:52:30.000 Where do they go?

00:52:31.000 How do they apply?

00:52:32.000 What can they do?

00:52:33.000 What what what's do you have a URL?

00:52:35.000 There's a lot of places you can go.

00:52:36.000 You can go to USA jobs, and uh you'll see the announcements there.

00:52:40.000 And look, what I would ask people to do, go to the CBP website, customers board protection website, look at what they do, look at what ICE does.

00:52:48.000 Because ICE does a lot of different things.

00:52:50.000 You have HSI and Aero.

00:52:51.000 Do your research and make sure that you know look at what their mission is and see if you agree with the mission, if you want to be a part of the mission.

00:52:58.000 This and in addition to that, you don't have to be a fragile agent and carry a gun to make this country great again.

00:53:04.000 Get involved with your local community and and and educate your community uh on the benefits of enforcing the laws of this country, make this country safe again.

00:53:14.000 Whether it's you know, run, run for city council, run for mayor, go to the voting booth.

00:53:19.000 It isn't just about the presidential election anymore.

00:53:22.000 Yeah.

00:53:22.000 This starts at the bottom.

00:53:23.000 So get acting in your community.

00:53:25.000 Get out there and vote.

00:53:26.000 You you use use your right and from anything from a city council member all the way up to President of the United States, get involved.

00:53:33.000 But we welcome them.

00:53:34.000 We're hiring 10, you know, 10,000.

00:53:36.000 We're welcome.

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00:53:44.000 Tom Homan, you're a great patriot.

00:53:45.000 Thank you for joining us.

00:53:46.000 And we have your back.

00:53:47.000 I know you have ours, and uh God bless you.

00:53:49.000 Thanks for having me.

00:53:50.000 I appreciate you.

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00:55:04.000 Steve, you're back.

00:55:05.000 I I really quick just I have to say, because I was in the room and I don't know what you guys saw or didn't, but I mean, I don't know if the camera picked it up, but Tom Homan was emotional, and that really affected me.

00:55:19.000 Um, kind of, like he's a really tough guy.

00:55:23.000 The guy's packing heat all the time.

00:55:26.000 He's got his family and you know, hiding because of all the death threats.

00:55:30.000 He's as tough as it comes.

00:55:32.000 And I just, you know, I I obviously I knew it meant a lot to him.

00:55:37.000 I knew he wanted to come into studio because he was going to be in Arizona.

00:55:40.000 We made that, and even though you were coming, you were gracious enough to make time.

00:55:43.000 But to see him get emotional was uh was really hard for me, actually.

00:55:48.000 So I don't know if you guys saw that, but uh it just shows that you could see as we he was walking out.

00:55:52.000 You just think there's so many people.

00:55:54.000 Charlie was so involved in everything, so enmeshed in everything.

00:55:58.000 So everyone's met him, everyone's interacted with him.

00:56:02.000 So many people in the administration, uh, you know, probably not Homan specifically, but so many people had their jobs in the White House because Charlie advocated for them, pushed for them repeatedly.

00:56:14.000 And you know, he was taken from us in such a horrible way.

00:56:18.000 And also big picture, it it's really shown how what the stakes are, because some people choose to raise the stakes in that way.

00:56:28.000 Yeah.

00:56:29.000 I mean, Charlie, Charlie was the greatest example of apostolic levels of giftedness I've ever encountered in a human being.

00:56:37.000 And you can just you can see that, you know, some of us can be jack of all trades, master of none, and be pretty good at a lot of things.

00:56:44.000 Very few of us can be excellent at multiple things.

00:56:47.000 And that was him.

00:56:49.000 And then you can see the lives that he touched at the exact same time, and you can see you know, there's something there was something about him.

00:56:56.000 We talked about this with the young people dressing up to go back to church.

00:57:00.000 And you know, when you get to my age and older, you hope that you've earned the cachet and the respect with your friends and family members and your sphere of influence when you've got more gray and salt in the p and in the beard, that there's that idea that oh, so and so is in the room, so I better kind of come correct.

00:57:15.000 I better raise my standard a little bit.

00:57:17.000 Like might be certain things you might say at your house.

00:57:19.000 You don't say them at Nana's house.

00:57:20.000 Because Nano, she'll get up with it with with the walker and she'll get the roller and take it to your backside if you say that you talk like that in her home, right? 0.98

00:57:26.000 Yeah, you didn't swear in front of Charlie.

00:57:27.000 That's right.

00:57:28.000 Charlie didn't swear.

00:57:29.000 I never heard I never heard Charlie swear one time.

00:57:30.000 I'd never heard it either.

00:57:32.000 You know, and I've if somebody was gonna hear it, it would have been me.

00:57:35.000 Right.

00:57:35.000 Um, but yeah, he would I remember he would always say to people, he's like, remember, guys, like you know, fifth graders are listening.

00:57:43.000 You know, 12-year-olds are listening, please.

00:57:45.000 And I just love that.

00:57:46.000 I mean, the fact that you felt compelled to raise your standard around him.

00:57:52.000 And it wasn't because of there was a humility about him at the same time.

00:57:55.000 So it's not like he it's it was a lack of self-awareness.

00:57:59.000 No, not at all.

00:57:59.000 It was just it was so different from there.

00:58:05.000 And he was not domineering.

00:58:07.000 You what he was was I I loved that apostolic line you mentioned that what really burst out of him was the constant sense of mission.

00:58:18.000 He was always doing his mission.

00:58:19.000 Even when he was taking a break, it was this oh, this is the break in my mission, and it's quite temporary and delimited.

00:58:28.000 And I'm it's because I still have my responsibilities to my family, and that's my mission too.

00:58:33.000 He he never I always love to say that people would ask me if I hung out with Charlie, and I said, I don't know if Charlie has ever hung out in his entire life.

00:58:42.000 Well the funny thing was the joke was like I tried having fun once and I hated it.

00:58:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:58:46.000 But he could have fun.

00:58:47.000 He could have fun.

00:58:48.000 He actually had a lot of fun, but it was it was when he was at work with his colleagues and peers and people he's laboring and what he would never do is he would never say, Oh, I was planning to do this thing tonight.

00:58:58.000 Eh, forget about it.

00:59:00.000 Let's just go go-karting or something like that.

00:59:02.000 He would not punt on something important to be lazy, to be casual.

00:59:08.000 And not a lot of people can do that.

00:59:10.000 I can't do that.

00:59:11.000 And it really made him exceptional.

00:59:13.000 So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna veer this conversation into uh something that broke on the news last night, and that was, and I was asked about it on Tim Poole.

00:59:23.000 Uh I was uh honored to to join Tim's show last night.

00:59:27.000 He's actually broadcasting from uh Turning Point, and you know, he's actually gonna help co-host the show tomorrow.

00:59:34.000 So we're really excited about that.

00:59:35.000 But they asked me about this letter that Charlie had written to uh BB Netanyahu.

00:59:40.000 And this was something that we were very aware of.

00:59:42.000 Uh, we didn't think it was controversial at all.

00:59:44.000 It apparently leaked, it was about a seven-page letter um that he wrote in May, and it was his his encouragements and his admonitions, uh his admonishments rather, uh, to the way that they were handling their PR uh situation.

01:00:01.000 He was like, hey, listen, I'm out on an island here.

01:00:03.000 I have to defend you all the time, and it shouldn't be my job, it should be your job.

01:00:07.000 Uh give me from your perspective, because I know you talked about Israel with Charlie.

01:00:13.000 You you talked about all of this stuff.

01:00:15.000 What was what is your perspective on that letter?

01:00:18.000 What was your perspective on the reaction to the letter and what was in the contents of it?

01:00:21.000 So I did read the letter last night, and I mean, essentially it it's the everything I ever heard Charlie say about this very topic publicly or privately.

01:00:29.000 Uh, both um his um uh you know, his support and love of Israel and the Jewish people, um, his concerns about um we're uh whether or not we're gonna just label everybody that has disagreements with Israeli policy.

01:00:42.000 I mean, hey, during COVID, um when we were pushing back on that, I mean, I was very critical of the government of Israel during that.

01:00:49.000 Bibi Netanyahu launched probably the worst lockdown of any industrialized country, free industrialized country in the world.

01:00:55.000 His successor, Neftali Bennett.

01:00:57.000 I mean, I even said on my show, guys, I'm like, has he not read a history book?

01:01:00.000 Did we not understand the last time we turned the Jewish people over to a biomedical fascist state? 0.99

01:01:05.000 I mean, Neftali Bennett basically allowed uh the people of Israel to be Pfizer's human trial on behalf of the rest of the world.

01:01:11.000 Tali's politics are would be considered left left-leaning politics.

01:01:15.000 Yes, yes.

01:01:16.000 And so I I are we gonna say, though, if you have criticisms of their policy, we're gonna automatically jump to the anti-Semite card.

01:01:22.000 At the same time, we have a rising tide of anti-Semitism on the right that I know Charlie was greatly uh concerned about.

01:01:28.000 In fact, him and I, he was discussing with me how we could organize you know an evangelical specific pushback to that.

01:01:35.000 Just literally in the last days before he died, we were having those conversations.

01:01:38.000 And one of the things that we talked about in order to because how do we because we're undergoing a generational sifting right now in the church.

01:01:45.000 Uh the two primary denominations you're seeing young men return to in mass are Catholic and and Reform Protestantism.

01:01:53.000 And even though there's deep doctrinal differences there, going back to you know, the Reformation.

01:01:58.000 Yes, they both have uh the historical Christian view, predispensationalism of the nation of Israel.

01:02:03.000 Explain that though.

01:02:04.000 Pause at predispensationalism for those who don't know.

01:02:06.000 So long word.

01:02:08.000 Yeah, so the the pre before dispensationalism, the church primarily believed that the covenant with Israel was fulfilled when Jesus said it is finished.

01:02:17.000 Not just the wrath of God is finished, but the that covenant is finished.

01:02:20.000 The the f the the ultimate role of Israel was to bring forth Messiah, and that has been completed. 0.84

01:02:27.000 And especially when the when in 70 and then in 110 AD, when this temple was destroyed in 70 AD and Jerusalem was ransacked in 110 AD, that that early Christians believed that was at that was the abomination of desolation at the Olivet discourse that Jesus was warning about.

01:02:42.000 In fact, one of the great divisions in the early church were remember, everybody's a Jew at first. 0.98

01:02:47.000 It's just a matter of whether they believe Yeshua is Messiah or not.

01:02:51.000 And so when they when they watched the Roman legions go into the temple and defile it, they viewed that the early church as though this is what Jesus warned us about, the abomination of desolation.

01:02:59.000 So they fled, right?

01:03:01.000 And and the non the non Messianic Jews stood and fought. 0.89

01:03:04.000 And that created some traditional division between these two camps going forward, was that moment.

01:03:09.000 And so the early church believed that that was the fulfillment of that prophecy, that it was over.

01:03:14.000 Most of them did.

01:03:15.000 There were There have been some uh some sects that believed that there was there was gonna be a future iteration of Israel later.

01:03:21.000 But and and then Augustine comes in in the fourth century, and this overwhelmingly now becomes he's Augustine's the most formative figure in the church in the post-canon era.

01:03:29.000 And many meant much of what the reformers wanted to reinstill was just old Augustinian versions' views of Catholicism, frankly.

01:03:36.000 And and and so this idea that the sometimes it's called replacement theology, I think it's more complicated than that, that essentially now Israel's role in the prophetic timeline is fulfilled, and now this is the era of the church.

01:03:48.000 All right, and we could do that's pre-dispensation.

01:03:51.000 That's pre-dispensationalism, and there's always variations, guys, and there's always debates when in these.

01:03:55.000 So when would you say dispensationalism was on the rise?

01:03:57.000 A lot of people look at the the rise of the Schofield Bible.

01:04:01.000 And that that does have some you know, it's funny.

01:04:02.000 I saw I saw John Rich do that show with Tucker Carlson about a year ago, and I kind of chuckled at the controversy, because when I I got converted when I was a local host in Des Moines, and so I started asking all these questions.

01:04:12.000 I don't know, and I start bringing people on with these various views, and man, the amount of controversy it caused 20 years ago in Des Moines, Iowa, all right, let alone what it's what it's gonna do on a show the size of Tucker's to have this conversation, but there is part of that.

01:04:24.000 But but here's the thing the dispensational churches, particularly coming out of the Moody uh system, they were the ones when the mainline Protestant and mainline reformed and mainline Lutheran churches that had the historical view, they went when they went mainline and then went apostate, it was the churches that were sending around the the the pamphlets called the fundamentals all over the country, fun that's hence the term fundamentalism.

01:04:48.000 They were the ones that held on to orthodoxy that did not become apostate.

01:04:52.000 And so many Christians, particularly in the older generations, I'm uh I'm an Xer and boomers, had no idea that there were other views about Israel and prophecy because the orthodoxy came that was being taught came strictly out of dispensation.

01:05:08.000 I believe they play they pray it at Israel or an Easter Islam. 0.80

01:05:12.000 The the Easter Vigil has a lot of prayers in the world.

01:05:14.000 One of them is for the Jewish people, uh they say in God for those who do not believe in Christ, they kind of have to do that. 0.96

01:05:22.000 Now, Spurgeon, I'm a big Spurgeon guy.

01:05:23.000 Spurgeon detested dispensationalism, but he also believed there was going to be a free of a future reconstitution of Israel with the intent of a great revival in the end times.

01:05:33.000 He also believed that Charlie Charlie would talk about this a lot too about the one of the best arguments for you know Israel is the land rights, right?

01:05:42.000 Because God promised the land to Israel, his promises are never ending.

01:05:46.000 So yeah, you could you could talk about who the who the fulfillment of the church is.

01:05:49.000 Is it Christians? 1.00

01:05:50.000 Is it the church of Christ?

01:05:51.000 Is it Christ Church or is it Jews? 1.00

01:05:53.000 There's a big this is a big topic.

01:05:54.000 I didn't know we were gonna go here, but this is this is fascinating.

01:05:57.000 So you're you're walking through this history, and you're saying the ri so the church was mostly pre-dispensationalist, and then at some point, would you say in the early 1900s?

01:06:07.000 Early 1900s, for sure.

01:06:08.000 It was the ascendancy of dispensationalism, which in a nutshell means that when the...

01:06:15.000 Bible's talking about who the church is or who who the people of God are, he still means the Jewish people to some extent.

01:06:20.000 Yeah, that there's the Jews and the Christian sh in the Gentile church are on dual D-U-A-L, dual tracks of of redemption, of prophetic redemption, and we're in the age of the Gentiles now, and when the church is raptured, and that that will be the end of the age of the Gentiles, and then God will turn to the Jewish people one last time for the fulfillment of that covenant, and then we'll usher in the second coming of Christ. 0.84

01:06:44.000 Pre-dispensationalism believes that the church is the fulfillment now becomes the right, but it but which is com it's complicated, right?

01:06:52.000 Because people within these camps don't even agree with you.

01:06:55.000 And by the way, there just so the audience is clear, within these two camps, if you think of them as the the sort of two ends of the spectrum, there's multiple camps in the middle and variations of each.

01:07:06.000 We could do a month of shows on this and just scratch the surface.

01:07:08.000 This is why because the Bible it like it's complicated, right?

01:07:12.000 Because Paul's talking about, well, you're in grafted branches.

01:07:15.000 So which means that you know we're like wild olive sh you know.

01:07:19.000 And that's why I think we should, and this is something Charlie and I definitely agreed on.

01:07:23.000 That's why, while we're gonna have this debate, and it needs to be had, okay.

01:07:26.000 We're a generation past two having this debate.

01:07:29.000 Are we still dispensational or are we historical?

01:07:31.000 In the meantime, Islam hates us all. 1.00

01:07:33.000 Let's that's exactly what we're doing.

01:07:34.000 We need to focus on that.

01:07:35.000 That's where we're gonna land the plane.

01:07:37.000 Um you you you read my mind because if there's anything that is clear to me about the last few months, it was that he had a laser pinpoint focus on raising the flag, sounding the alarm about the rise of Islam in the West. 0.99

01:07:55.000 You know, the the the point of that letter, and I just want to put a pin on that, and then we're gonna go to Islam, is Charlie called what Israel was doing PR malpractice.

01:08:04.000 And you know, it's kind of like the Bible says the wounds of a fent of a friend can be trusted.

01:08:09.000 He was respectful in tone because he's speaking to a world leader.

01:08:13.000 But you know, it was a private letter because it was pretty brutal, actually.

01:08:18.000 It was saying, you know, this is bad PR.

01:08:21.000 And Charlie would say on the show, the PR, the Israeli PR and the lack of confronting this information machine that's against you is malpractice, and you need to fix it.

01:08:31.000 Which is a great argument against a Zionist conspiracy that controls the world. 0.94

01:08:34.000 Well, exactly.

01:08:35.000 When they have such a bad PR mission, that's a fair point.

01:08:37.000 And I always think uh the other good point is that you know, if they control the world, why does why is the UN so against them?

01:08:42.000 But you know, uh why they why is it fixated on them?

01:08:45.000 But but the point is Charlie was less concerned about that and more concerned about this rise of Islam in in the West. 0.99

01:08:52.000 You see this in places like Dearborn in America.

01:08:54.000 You you you talk to politicians in Michigan, by the way, and they're like, Well, I can't say that because I've got I've I've been in these conversations because I gotta, you know, I gotta say things because there's so many Muslims now. 0.97

01:09:04.000 Charlie was warning against invaders that would rule over you, and that's an example.

01:09:09.000 That's it's a soft that's how it happens, that's how it starts.

01:09:11.000 And then you go to places like London, you were with him in London.

01:09:14.000 What was he saying when he was?

01:09:15.000 So it was so jarring when we went in London, and we get in this very posh, Tony, whatever choose your word that you want, in central London, and storefronts have the lettering in Arabic.

01:09:27.000 We were staying in, he was staying in a pretty decent hotel.

01:09:30.000 If you turned on the television, there's as many television channels that are in Arabic as in English.

01:09:37.000 Uh they had Saudi TV, they had you know Lebanese TV, they had Pakistani TV, sorry, Egyptian. 0.92

01:09:43.000 They even had the the Saudi children's channel, so it was showing a Spiral of the Dragon show, but in Arabic.

01:09:50.000 And it was so jarring for him to see that, and then he's talking to people, and they're saying, Yeah, there's thousands of mosques in London at this point.

01:09:59.000 Uh people are running and getting elected to parliament on a free Gaza platform.

01:10:05.000 Well, and then you go to like France, and the women have to wear, you know, subway shirts because the immigrant men are not used to seeing young women and tank tops or whatever. 0.99

01:10:15.000 And there was, you know, obviously you have the rape gangs, but it also affects just the the body politic because now you have to start speaking to this new contingent of voters.

01:10:24.000 That is only growing.

01:10:25.000 That's only growing.

01:10:26.000 And they're having way more.

01:10:27.000 People are bad.

01:10:28.000 People are bad at the math of this.

01:10:30.000 They'll think this is a four percent minority, it's not a big deal, yet in 25 years, they've grown to 8%, and they're still growing.

01:10:39.000 Yeah, and so you can do the math and say, yeah, by 2050, the UK is going to be 25%.

01:10:46.000 There was that terrifying clip out of Denmark where there this Danish guy is getting into a fight with you know an argument and the the with the Muslim uh immigrant, and he goes, in ten years, we you don't have any babies, we have lots of kids.

01:10:59.000 He's like, we were gonna control you in ten years.

01:11:01.000 Here's the thing for for twelve hundred years there was no nation on earth called Israel, but we still had Islam. 1.00

01:11:07.000 And so if you think our aloe I'm not saying we don't have to rethink some of our aspects of our alliance with Israel, but if you think that we are incurring the wrath of Islam because of our alliance with Israel, I'm gonna disprove it right now.

01:11:18.000 For 1200 years, there was no nation on earth called Israel, but we still had Islam. 1.00

01:11:22.000 How did Islam treat the Christian West during that time?

01:11:25.000 It went to war with it the entire time.

01:11:28.000 The Holy Roman Empire was formed because the Muslims had taken Vienna and they were a block south of Paris. 0.79

01:11:33.000 All right, so this idea that it, if anything, if anything, Israel is actually a cudgel between us and Islam. 0.54

01:11:39.000 If there were no Jewish state in the Middle East, all of that energy would just all be directed at us. 1.00

01:11:45.000 And I think we can have, and I and I want us to have the big prophetic debates.

01:11:50.000 We were a generation overdue.

01:11:52.000 Your boomer parents were wrong to care more about Israeli defense force maneuvers around the temple mount than the school board at your in your in your local neighborhood. 0.68

01:11:59.000 They were wrong.

01:12:00.000 So well said.

01:12:01.000 And you're wrong to rebuke you're right to rebuke that.

01:12:03.000 But let's also have a historical perspective and understand that Israel that that Islam hates Jews and Christians alike. 0.69

01:12:09.000 We're all people of the book.

01:12:11.000 And so whatever prophetic view we have of the nation of Israel will not alter what Islam thinks of Christendom whatsoever.

01:12:18.000 And it will still try to conquer you, nevertheless.

01:12:20.000 And Charlie understood that.

01:12:22.000 And that I think is where we are going to be able to find unity on this.

01:12:25.000 Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt that it was probably the thing he railed against the loudest and the most in the final days.

01:12:32.000 And um, you know, we have to come to grips with the fact that Islam is a political and a military ideology wrapped in a religious context.

01:12:41.000 Separation of church and state is not a debatable tension in Islam.

01:12:44.000 Yeah, it doesn't exist.

01:12:45.000 Um Steve, please, really quick, where can people follow you and watch the show?

01:12:50.000 At Steve Day Show, D-E-A-C-E on X. Everything we do is all catalog and index there for the Blaze and everywhere else at Steve Day Show on X. This has been a pleasure, my friend.

01:12:59.000 I again I just want to reiterate Charlie loved you and he trusted you.

01:13:02.000 And uh God bless you.

01:13:04.000 Thank you for making the trip.

01:13:05.000 I know it, I know this isn't easy, so you honor us.

01:13:07.000 Anytime I can do it, you let me know.

01:13:08.000 Thank you, Steve.

01:13:09.000 You gotta God bless.

01:13:10.000 All right, guys, we'll see you tomorrow.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 30, 2025

Charlie's Biblical Case for Borders + The Letter to Bibi

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