Steve Dacey joins us to pay his respects to the late Charlie Kirk, and to remember the life and legacy he left behind. We also hear from some of Charlie s closest friends and family about his life and the impact he had on those around him.
00:01:30.000And um I think the uh the appropriate uh measure of leaving his chair empty um because it just signifies a void that just cannot possibly be filled, and uh stop by the memorial on the way in.
00:01:42.000And um but the war and the battle still has to go on.
00:01:47.000Uh and uh it's up to the rest of us now to to all do our part to pick up the pieces and and fill the void that uh his loss leaves.
00:01:54.000Yeah, I mean, well said, and I mean Blake knows there was few few very trusted voices in the sort of inner circle that he would hit up for you know advice, what you're where are you at on this, and Steve was one of them, and uh I know that we got a front row seat to that, and so people people have asked me, it's like, well, who who are you inviting in?
00:02:12.000And I'm like, well, the people Charlie loved.
00:02:15.000And I know that Blake, if you want to chime in, you you were not on the show today, so I want to make sure we or yesterday, so I want to make sure you're yeah, no, no, it's um Charlie had a w we we talked about, you know, the other day how Charlie had this uh great humility.
00:02:30.000He was always looking for input from other people, always willing to change his mind.
00:02:35.000He had no embarrassment when he did change his mind.
00:02:38.000Uh and so he he ha he he cast a wide net.
00:03:19.000Yeah, so uh Charlie was about six inches taller than me.
00:03:22.000Uh and everybody else for that matter.
00:03:25.000Uh we were we did a freedom night at his uh church in June.
00:03:28.000And um and it's it's interesting because I had a whole bunch of media call me uh after his uh martyrdom because it just got released on social media the day before.
00:03:38.000And so I think a lot of media thought we had just done this, and we had actually done it a couple of months ago.
00:03:44.000And just as we were getting introduced uh to go out on stage, he leaned down into my ear and he said, uh, go hard.
00:03:52.000And and Sloan at TPUSA Faith, I I texted him when I started getting all these media requests.
00:04:26.000And if you see, you know, we we've lost Vody Bacum, we've lost Dr. James Dobson, so many spiritual giants this year, and Charlie is obviously a Titan among them.
00:04:35.000And it's another reminder that none of us knows for sure, you know, when that is it's our time to go.
00:04:42.000And uh, and that's I think what we have to do to make sure we we use the time we have to be good stewards to redeem the time as the word says, and that's to go hard.
00:04:51.000But it doesn't just mean go hard for truth.
00:04:53.000Andrew, it means go hard for loving people, it go hard for grace, go hard for mercy, just in general for the kingdom, go hard.
00:05:41.000What does this mean to the to the movement?
00:05:43.000Give me your perspective on what has just transpired.
00:05:46.000What just transpired is we had the the largest proclamation of the gospel in terms of volume of ears and eyes reached in the history of our species.
00:05:57.000And what just transpired is even the the providential history that I knew Charlie was uh trying to push uh push us back to as a country, call us back to as a country.
00:06:07.000And you always have a hit you always have a tendency to look back on the past and kind of view it in with nostalgia as if those people somehow tiptoed between the raindrops and didn't struggle with their own sinfulness and manifestations therein that we do today, and that's not necessarily true.
00:06:20.000But those are traditions that that obviously we are coasting on the fumes of uh in our time now.
00:06:27.000And I think even during the most providential times in our nation's history, um we have not seen high ranking figures, including the president and the vice president and cabinet officials stand up in front of the world and proclaim the gospel as boldly as what happened at the memorial service here uh a week or so ago.
00:06:48.000I mean, it's what you're really watching.
00:06:50.000I I think if if it's not a revival, Andrew, if we're not watching revival, I I think the Holy Spirit is at least testing us to see if we're ready for it.
00:06:59.000And you know, a couple of years ago I was invited to uh a small gathering of Christian leaders around the country in Dallas, Texas.
00:07:06.000And um it was essentially, hey, where are we as a country, as a culture, where are we headed?
00:07:11.000And at the end, one of the uh the eldest guys there was like a scene out of the constitutional convention where Ben Franklin gets up there and says we have to stop and break for prayer as the elder statesman.
00:07:20.000Because we all said we need revival, we need revival, we need revival, and the elder statesman gets up there and says, Are you guys sure you know what you're asking of God?
00:07:28.000Because we're too comfortable and complacent right now for revival.
00:07:32.000So if you guys really want God to send revival, then you're asking him to turn up the heat of persecution and suffering to condition us for what it will take for us to truly turn to him.
00:07:42.000And I think uh I think Charlie's martyrdom was at the very first uh uh, you know, uh metaphorically, a shot across the bow of turning up that heat.
00:07:53.000I mean, I listened to yesterday's show in its entirety and that opening montage you guys played of young people all over the country, haven't been to church in ages, never been to church, never picked up a Bible.
00:08:03.000And and that is something that uh Christianity produces the paradoxical nature of Christianity.
00:08:08.000It's called redemptive suffering, and no other worldview presents it in the world, the world's worldview says to avoid suffering and be utilitarian, and the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few are the one, right?
00:08:19.000But Christianity actually says that the Lord leaves ninety-nine behind to find the one lost sheep.
00:08:25.000And Charlie's life, I think, embodied that, and that's why you saw so many people that stood up and and testified to that at that memorial.
00:08:32.000Why, you know, we saw there one of those videos, a guy was like, I put on my suit and I'm going to I'm going to church, and we you know, there's this other story out of Lipscomb Academy with all these high schoolers put on suit jackets and ties to honor.
00:08:44.000I haven't quite put my finger on what that is, but what do you think that is?
00:08:49.000I think it's this idea that maybe I'm standing on holy ground and I need to clean up my act a little bit.
00:08:54.000And and listen, I'm I'm a it's casual Friday at the Steve Day show every single day.
00:08:59.000My audience hasn't seen me in a sport coat, like like you wear those, you know?
00:09:03.000I know you have actually talked about this.
00:09:04.000You're like, I'm putting on a jacket for Charlie.
00:09:29.000Yeah, they would they would they had class and they had dignity and and it's interesting, this impulse that I'm seeing from you know, that they they could be they could be work in the oil fields, they could be, you know, like this guy you could tell he's like, I've never even worn a suit before, but I put it on, I'm going to church.
00:09:44.000I I just think it's an interesting impulse because there is this thing within the culture.
00:09:50.000We've gotten so lazy, lethargic, we've gotten so casual.
00:09:55.000And there's a part of that, like, listen, there's a time and a place, but you know, the fact that people feel called higher, I think is a really beautiful thing.
00:11:09.000And so Michelle Obama's former chief of staff is the is the head of the the Des Moines school district.
00:11:16.000And just to it that would not happen in a state of our size in any other state, but because of Iowa, there's just these political headwinds there.
00:11:24.000And so they hired this guy who's had a deportation order from the what do you have to do to have a deportation order from the Biden administration, by the way?
00:11:30.000What do you think you have to do to get one of those?
00:11:32.000So didn't have it, he had like uh he had a a weapons charge.
00:11:35.000There's so many things that make this bad.
00:11:37.000So like we're more stuff is coming out over time.
00:11:39.000So for example, he originally got a student visa in Maryland, uh, and that expired.
00:12:21.000The state board of elections in Maryland is obstructing efforts by the Department of Justice to like investigate this because of like the same state nonsense.
00:12:29.000It's showing how corrupt and ridiculous system is.
00:12:32.000We actually basically have to say blue states, especially are in like a sustained systematic effort to engage in like immigration fraud and engage in voter fraud.
00:12:54.000What you're talking about is there that that once there is an exposure, the light comes to the darkness.
00:12:59.000There is a an incentive for these blue districts and municipalities, blue states, to then cover it up and not expose it.
00:13:08.000So not only are you contributing to the problem, you're insisting that it can that it continue.
00:13:13.000And and I've heard a lot of people say, well, how could this have happened?
00:13:15.000How did he pass any kind of screening?
00:13:17.000You have to understand, and this kind of ties in in a way with what Pete Heggseth announced this morning, right?
00:13:22.000We're we're gonna actually do war here now.
00:13:25.000We're we're gonna have warriors now and not social engineering.
00:13:28.000And you have to understand they did do vetting, And they did do background.
00:13:31.000It's just the there's a you know, I like to say on my show, Andrew, that worldview is destiny, and no one can rise above their own worldview.
00:13:38.000They did vetting according to their worldview.
00:13:40.000They were looking for a DEI candidate.
00:13:42.000They were looking for someone that would subvert American culture.
00:13:45.000They were looking for someone that would subvert your children and and help them to do a better and more efficient job of turning your children into gay race communists.
00:13:53.000And that's exactly why they hired him.
00:13:57.000They're not this is they got exactly what they wanted to do.
00:13:59.000It's just their vetting standard would be different.
00:14:02.000The worldview that they're operating with is different than ours.
00:14:05.000So things like, well, are you actually a citizen?
00:14:08.000That's just a minor technicality, especially because the they use the schools, for example, to replace your way of life to hijack your culture.
00:14:16.000This is absolut you're watching replacement theory play itself out.
00:14:21.000They act on their worldview accordingly.
00:14:24.000Except for when it's not, and it actually acts.
00:14:26.000Yeah, except for when the illegals are in charge of our school districts.
00:15:10.000I think we have to do and I think like the government shutdown that's happening right now or may occur.
00:15:15.000Are we going to actually use the power that the people elected us and gave us because I I think we don't decide that, then that other question becomes moot.
00:15:23.000Yeah, no, I mean there was this graph.
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00:16:34.000And now you can hear from Charlie in his own words.
00:16:57.000Charlie elevated every standard by his words, his actions, his disciplines, choice of music he plays for his children, classical, not sure about Jolene, uh, little wink face, his incisiveness, uh incisiveness, and more.
00:17:09.000I'm older, but I remember when pastors wore suits and had the Christian and American flags up by the podium, and then we wanted to appeal to the world outside the church doors, went from suits to Hawaiian shirts, question mark.
00:17:20.000I wonder if that casual dress reflected a more casual approach to biblical truths.
00:17:27.000Um and uh it doesn't have a name there, so we'll leave it.
00:17:30.000But yeah, I mean, I I think that's right.
00:17:31.000I think when you up the game, uh you know, a lot of people want to follow suit.
00:17:35.000Steve I love I chuckled at the reference to Hawaiian shirts because I go off on this all the time.
00:17:39.000Uh the who the the pastoral uniform in today's churches, Hawaiian shirts, even in January, although I guess in Arizona you can wear those, but not where I live.
00:18:00.000Uh there's a there's a let there's a third tablet.
00:18:03.000Uh the Lord forgot to give Moses at Sinai, he forgot it, it just has one commandment on there, thou must be nice in all things no matter what, right?
00:18:10.000That kind of stuff has is just plagued the American church.
00:18:15.000I I see this email from this listener, and I'm like, you know, we've just seen this degradation of all the institutions, a lack of standards across the board, which ties in to what Pete Heggseth did this morning, which I I just you know, I I chuckled at it because uh I don't want to get the the clip here, but I the Charlie raged against what, Blake, fat generals.
00:18:40.000He judged he would always he would always go off on Millie because Millie was like or yeah, yeah, like the you know, big yeah wide man.
00:18:48.000He was really into white rage or something, yeah.
00:19:00.000Frankly, it's tiring to look out at combat formations or really any formation and see fat troops.
00:19:07.000Likewise, it's completely unacceptable to see fat generals and admirals in the halls of the Pentagon and leading commands around the country in the world.
00:19:18.000You know, I have this weird sneaking suspicion, Steve, that that you know, Charlie and Pete were very close.
00:19:24.000And Charlie would rail against this stuff.
00:19:26.000I'm pretty sure he would tell Pete about this that like part of me is is just like very aware that Pete is channeling a little bit of the Charlie Kirk like gumption, the the get after it spirit.
00:19:37.000So uh this one's kind of personal to me on two fronts.
00:19:40.000One, um, I have fought a battle of the bulge in my own personal life for the last decade.
00:20:02.000And so, you know, he's gone through all of the the recent uh fitness uh standards and things of that nature and upping your game where that's concerned and the various incentives uh therein.
00:20:12.000And I and I just uh you have to ask yourself what every previous generation of Americans, regardless of how they voted, regardless of how they voted, what would every previous generations of Americans until now have said to the idea that we literally have to stop the military from getting fat?
00:20:29.000What w what would they think we just let how bad did we let go of the rope system wide as a culture?
00:20:36.000That that you have an illegal alien is the superintendent of the largest school district in one of Amer one of America states, and the secretary of defense slash war has to tell his his soldiers to stop being fat.
00:20:49.000And I think that that and Charlie spoke a lot to this with the young men.
00:20:52.000I think this is where the anger and frustration of the of the Zoomer generation is coming in.
00:20:57.000They're looking at us, their parents and grandparents, and saying, What were you guys doing for the last generation that you left us this big giant mess?
00:21:05.000How did you guys just systemically get so comfortable and so complacent that every single institution is degraded, if not weaponized against me before I ever step into full adulthood here and try to become a husband father, business owner, and productive American.
00:21:21.000I think that's so I think that's so well said because you know Charlie was a big believer that this is the greatest country in the history of of the world.
00:21:28.000And we we say that proudly, we believe it.
00:21:30.000I believe that America is uh providential.
00:21:32.000I believe God has his hand on our country, and yet and yet to if you look at just the the DMV, if you look at the post office, you I mean, Blake loves to rail against shipbuilding.
00:21:44.000We can't make things in we can't make anything.
00:22:45.000And and you know, and I think we need to come to grips with that on our side, because if we don't come to grips with with it, then we won't that question you asked me a while ago.
00:22:54.000We won't we'll say we'll say stuff like, well, if we did this to them, then they'll do this to us when they have power.
00:23:00.000I they're already doing everything to us.
00:23:19.000Took courage, and that's the the least common of all the virtues.
00:23:22.000And that's what it's really gonna take is that our leaders get encouraged to do the hard things because you know that the New York Times and Tahanisi Coates and and Nicole Hanna-Jones are gonna write nasty little grams about you in the New York Times, and Joe Scarborough is gonna call you a fascist or whoever's gonna do what.
00:23:38.000It takes guts to look these demons in the eye.
00:23:42.000I'm not necessarily calling them demons, but there are real demons, and they they they heal insults and and Charlie was I mean, amazing at basically like laughing off the the attacks.
00:24:49.000We but a lot of our men, whether it's absent-minded fathers, absent-minded masculinity in the pulpit, have not been discipled into what it means to use power under control.
00:24:58.000And then the other problem that we have uh is with the s the so-called phenomenon of the uniparty.
00:25:04.000And this is what movements that like what TP USA is a part of, what Trump has done to break up this idea.
00:25:10.000Well, you know, I I you all the names you just mentioned.
00:25:13.000I think everyone with the sound of my voice should scream at your radio or at your screen right now.
00:25:17.000Why does anybody I'm voting for give a rip what any of those names think about them?
00:25:23.000W all those names you mentioned, they are very relevant.
00:25:25.000Unfortunately, a lot of the people we've been voting for for a long time do care more about what those people say about them than what audiences like this say says about them.
00:25:33.000And and those two things are what we are up against.
00:25:36.000And so when we get elected, when we have power, listen, we have a code, right?
00:25:40.000We have to love our neighbor as we love ourselves, but there's another code also that says in Romans 13 that the purpose of government is to be an avenging angel to bring the sword of righteousness against evil to punish evil.
00:25:52.000The only reason Almighty God allows sinful human beings to govern themselves on any level or have governments at all is to keep the moral order to punish evil.
00:27:03.000And the reason why he had conviction in the face of the critics you're talking about was his worldview.
00:27:07.000He understood ultimately to whom he belonged.
00:27:10.000He understood ultimately what the source of truth was.
00:27:12.000He understood ultimately what the source of justice was.
00:27:14.000And so he didn't view their their opinions of him as something to be concerned about because he was actually opposing their worldview, not trying to appease it.
00:27:23.000Yeah, I mean, there's that great clip of Charlie.
00:27:25.000I I think we played it yesterday from gosh, all the days blur into one lately.
00:27:40.000And uh so it's you know, you look at Pete Heggseth, you look at Anapolina Luna, you look at there's a there's people that stand out for their courage to speak up and be loud and and vocal, and we're gonna need more of that.
00:27:52.000And and one of the legacies I hope that the Charlie ends up leaving is that that we have a reformed and robust conservative movement with leaders that are not afraid to speak truth and power and to make the demon shudder in high places.
00:28:07.000So, Steve, we've got Tom Home and Bordersar coming on next.
00:28:12.000Let's let's start setting the table for borders, boundaries.
00:28:17.000This is something Charlie liked to talk about a lot.
00:28:20.000He got so mad at all the pastors who are just like, well, the Bible says you have to love other people.
00:28:25.000So really that means like you just have to have an open border, man.
00:29:12.000She has to assimilate into the religion of Israel and follow Jehovah and leave behind her old way of life in order to be put in and crafted into that covenant.
00:29:22.000And so those were the models of assimilation that we displayed and showed and followed for two and a half centuries in America until this last generation.
00:29:31.000Yeah, I think that's really important.
00:29:32.000We're gonna play some clips from Charlie.
00:29:34.000Charlie talking about borders, because it was actually one of his most passionate issues because it was to your point, Blake, it was one of the most often bastardized parts of scripture by your just run-of-the-mill pastors, or by especially mainline or or like non-religious people doing that like.
00:29:50.000Well, the Bible says you have to let me do everything I want.
00:29:55.000Yeah, but it doesn't say let ten million of them flood your borders.
00:29:57.000That's called a that's called an invasion, folks.
00:29:59.000There's so many good I I I can't even pick which one.
00:30:06.000Well, first we must start and acknowledge there's plenty of scriptures that say you should love the foreigner because you were once strangers in Egypt, Leviticus 19.
00:30:13.000And I mean, there's plenty of scriptures that say that.
00:30:15.000There's also equ equal amount of scriptures that warn you about how foreigners can become your masters.
00:30:20.000In the end of Deuteronomy, Moses explicitly says that in his farewell address.
00:30:28.000The warning in the later parts of Deuteronomy, where Moses is giving his farewell address, and he warns the people of Israel before they enter the land of milk and honey.
00:30:36.000Hey, be careful of foreigners in the land because they will soon be your masters if you have too many of them, if they multiply.
00:31:20.000So as the second temple period begins, and Zarababa goes back to rebuild the temple, and Nehemiah and Ezra are now helping to rebuild the walls and dedicate the temple.
00:31:28.000Nehemiah finds out that they've gone back to allowing foreigners into the covenant, into the temple.
00:31:33.000They're doing all the same mistakes they did before, which is what led them to go down into the valley of Ben Hinnon or Topith, which is a Hebrew word for hell and throw their babies into the fire to Moloch.
00:32:36.000God spread it into different nations and people, and we got diversity out of that moment because when you have the one world government, remember what Nimrod said, he said, we are going to make a city upon our name, in our name.
00:32:47.000And so God decentralized power by definition.
00:32:49.000And there is no better way to decentralize power on the planet than having hundreds of different countries and different cultures and backgrounds and people and languages.
00:32:56.000So therefore you then you then can logically get to the idea of borders and boundaries, which again is a biblical idea.
00:33:05.000And you know, in the last uh public speech he gave in in Japan, that was a thing he said.
00:33:10.000Uh that's what I talked about you know, what globalism wants to do is it wants to take imagine taking everything at a Thanksgiving meal.
00:33:18.000You know, you've got your cranberry salad, you've got your turkey, you've got your stuff, and you got your mash pedos.
00:33:22.000And just putting all it in a blender and just blending it until it's the slurry.
00:34:01.000So when you, you know, so okay, I the floor is yours and what you the what you'll note, you'll always know they're lying when the power and or the policies they pursue grant them more power and control.
00:34:14.000The progressivism, leftism, spirit of the age, whatever you guys want to call it, it has two primary hallmarks in all of its language and all of its policies and all of its dictums, all of its practicums.
00:34:25.000And so that usually means they're doing the exact opposite of what they promise you they're going to do, and it almost always means they're projecting unto you that which they're actually doing.
00:34:33.000You can count on that every single time.
00:34:35.000Steve, really quick, tell people where they can follow you, your show, where they can watch it.
00:34:39.000Easiest thing to do, follow me on X at Steve Day Show.
00:34:42.000Everything I do there is uh everything we do is catalog there, it's indexed there at Steve Day Show, D-E-A-C-E on X. Yeah, and Charlie love watching your show.
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00:36:51.000Uh what he was doing is a big part of saving this country, just like President Trump for why I came back twice from retirement to help President Trump save this country.
00:37:02.000So uh I made my commitment to Charlie and turning point.
00:37:07.000I'll do anything I can to help this organization.
00:38:20.000Well, Tom, I know that I speak on behalf of not only everybody in this show, but everybody at Turning Point and Erica when I say that you are a good man and you're a patriot.
00:38:33.000And when you came back for Trump 2.0, you know, we knew that you were the right man for the job and that you had the guts and the courage to do the job.
00:38:43.000And um I know that uh Charlie loved you.
00:38:46.000I know you love Charlie, and turning point, we still love you.
00:38:49.000The Charlie Kirk show, we we love you.
00:38:52.000And um, we thank you so much for making this extra special trip.
00:38:55.000I know Arizona is a place you you do a lot of work anyways, yeah.
00:38:59.000But I'm I'm so grateful that you came and made this made this special trip.
00:40:36.000Users online are increasingly associating the mimification of Luigi Mangioni with calls for political violence against Elon Musk, President Trump, and others, reflecting the growing cyber social presence of assassination culture.
00:40:50.000And I show you have some findings that they have here on justification.
00:41:16.000So just to reiterate, Rutgers University has discovered that 50% of left of center respondents believed it is justified to murder Elon Musk for his opinions.
00:41:28.00056% believed it's justified to kill Donald Trump for his.
00:41:32.000And I'm assuming had they asked ICE agents about ICE or ICE agents, that number would be similar.
00:41:39.000What do you do in an environment like this?
00:42:55.000And they put a gun on their hip and put a bulletproof vest on to go do their job.
00:43:01.000And and and they don't make a lot of money doing it.
00:43:05.000And it's the hate for them, toward them is based on a lot of faults, negative rhetoric being pushed by members of Congress, or um, members of the media, mayors, governors of sanctuary.
00:43:18.000Well, let's let's play some of this then.
00:43:20.000This is because a lot of this right now, the story is around Chicago, it's around Portland.
00:43:26.000And I know that there was a lot of protest, I would call it uh worse than protests, riots, it's violence, it's intimidation, it's thug culture, it's uh Antifa culture.
00:43:38.000And you know, you've got Oregon governors and uh, you know, Tina Kotec, you know, saying there's no insurrection, there's no threat to national security.
00:43:49.000I have been abundantly clear with them that Portland and the state of Oregon believe in the rule of law, and we can manage our own uh local public safety needs.
00:44:01.000There is no insurrection, there is no threat to national security, and there is no need for military troops in our major city.
00:44:13.000Military service members should be dedicated to real emergencies.
00:44:18.000The members of the Oregon National Guard, their mission is to stand up and protect Oregonians, and they will do that every day, but they are not needed in the city.
00:45:20.000Balance of Nature would like to take a moment to honor the life and legacy of our friend Charlie Kirk.
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00:46:23.000Borders are Tom Homan is with us in studio paying his respects.
00:46:26.000And also, you know, you're drawing a line in the sand.
00:46:29.000You're saying you're not going to back down.
00:46:31.000I just showed you that terrible new report from Rutgers University about the magioniism of the magioni effect, the assassination culture.
00:46:41.000And this was an interesting thing that happened last night.
00:46:44.000It's Cut 56, if you want to get it ready.
00:46:48.000This is Nick Shirley who does sort of street journalism.
00:46:53.000He gets a he gets confronted by an Antifa militant now who's a domestic terrorist, and he's threatening him, and all of a sudden these these lights start shining on this guy.
00:47:03.000So I want you to explain what happened here.
00:47:04.000And this is in Portland, and this is the clash between, you know, domestic terrorists and federal officers.
00:47:36.000Well, look, you guys somebody trying to, you know, they think they have the right to protest in Tifa and turn that protest into criminal activity, damaging federal property, assaulting federal agents, but they don't want journalism anywhere around because journalism is going to tell the truth.
00:47:51.000And they don't they don't want the American people to know the truth.
00:47:53.000You know, they want to play the victims.
00:47:55.000You know, if we're in a we're in a we're in a situation now where the bad guy is the victims, and the good guys want to enforce the law, try and make this country safe again.
00:48:04.000They're the bad guys, and the bad guys are actually the victims.
00:48:45.000By the way, this is completely garbage on its face, by the way.
00:48:50.000Portland is rife with this militant faction of residents that have been pandered to and catered to and treated with kid gloves for so long that they feel that they can run rough roughshod over the city of Portland.
00:49:03.000Uh, what do you say to this accusation that President Trump is a fascist and authoritarian and he shouldn't be disp deploying troops in American cities?
00:49:11.000President Trump's trying to make his country safe again.
00:49:14.000And a lot of these sanctuary cities, they're not safe at all.
00:49:17.000I just said I was in Portland a few weeks ago.
00:49:27.000Oh, that got reduced within days of his action.
00:49:30.000He made a promise to American people he's gonna make this country safe again.
00:49:33.000If that if that involves troops, then so be it.
00:49:36.000It's gonna make those neighborhoods safer.
00:49:38.000You would think the mayor of Portland and the governor of Oregon would be calling President Trump up and thanking him to come to the table and helping giving them resources to make those streets safe again for their constituents for their taxpayers.
00:51:17.000And the other 30% includes national security threats who don't have criminal histories and people who have final orders been they had due process at great taxpayer expense, or removed by federal judge became a fugitive.
00:51:28.000ICE, if you actually look, go to the ICE website, look at the data.
00:51:34.000You see, without a doubt, they're making these streets safe again.
00:51:41.000Oh, well, yeah, that's the little animal there is uh Charlie's daughter watched the show every day, and so she would give him little toys to take with, and uh he would test her.
00:51:55.000He would put the the he would show the toy or he'd not show the toy and test her.
00:52:13.000So, Tom, as I said, if people want to get involved, they want to apply, they want to be a part of the solution.
00:52:20.000Maybe they're 20, they don't know what they're doing with their lives.
00:52:24.000Maybe they're 35 and they're at a job that they don't want to be at anymore, and they want to help the country, they want to help be a part of your mission.
00:52:36.000You can go to USA jobs, and uh you'll see the announcements there.
00:52:40.000And look, what I would ask people to do, go to the CBP website, customers board protection website, look at what they do, look at what ICE does.
00:52:48.000Because ICE does a lot of different things.
00:52:51.000Do your research and make sure that you know look at what their mission is and see if you agree with the mission, if you want to be a part of the mission.
00:52:58.000This and in addition to that, you don't have to be a fragile agent and carry a gun to make this country great again.
00:53:04.000Get involved with your local community and and and educate your community uh on the benefits of enforcing the laws of this country, make this country safe again.
00:53:14.000Whether it's you know, run, run for city council, run for mayor, go to the voting booth.
00:53:19.000It isn't just about the presidential election anymore.
00:55:05.000I I really quick just I have to say, because I was in the room and I don't know what you guys saw or didn't, but I mean, I don't know if the camera picked it up, but Tom Homan was emotional, and that really affected me.
00:55:19.000Um, kind of, like he's a really tough guy.
00:55:32.000And I just, you know, I I obviously I knew it meant a lot to him.
00:55:37.000I knew he wanted to come into studio because he was going to be in Arizona.
00:55:40.000We made that, and even though you were coming, you were gracious enough to make time.
00:55:43.000But to see him get emotional was uh was really hard for me, actually.
00:55:48.000So I don't know if you guys saw that, but uh it just shows that you could see as we he was walking out.
00:55:52.000You just think there's so many people.
00:55:54.000Charlie was so involved in everything, so enmeshed in everything.
00:55:58.000So everyone's met him, everyone's interacted with him.
00:56:02.000So many people in the administration, uh, you know, probably not Homan specifically, but so many people had their jobs in the White House because Charlie advocated for them, pushed for them repeatedly.
00:56:14.000And you know, he was taken from us in such a horrible way.
00:56:18.000And also big picture, it it's really shown how what the stakes are, because some people choose to raise the stakes in that way.
00:56:49.000And then you can see the lives that he touched at the exact same time, and you can see you know, there's something there was something about him.
00:56:56.000We talked about this with the young people dressing up to go back to church.
00:57:00.000And you know, when you get to my age and older, you hope that you've earned the cachet and the respect with your friends and family members and your sphere of influence when you've got more gray and salt in the p and in the beard, that there's that idea that oh, so and so is in the room, so I better kind of come correct.
00:57:15.000I better raise my standard a little bit.
00:57:17.000Like might be certain things you might say at your house.
00:57:20.000Because Nano, she'll get up with it with with the walker and she'll get the roller and take it to your backside if you say that you talk like that in her home, right?
00:57:26.000Yeah, you didn't swear in front of Charlie.
00:58:19.000Even when he was taking a break, it was this oh, this is the break in my mission, and it's quite temporary and delimited.
00:58:28.000And I'm it's because I still have my responsibilities to my family, and that's my mission too.
00:58:33.000He he never I always love to say that people would ask me if I hung out with Charlie, and I said, I don't know if Charlie has ever hung out in his entire life.
00:58:42.000Well the funny thing was the joke was like I tried having fun once and I hated it.
00:58:48.000He actually had a lot of fun, but it was it was when he was at work with his colleagues and peers and people he's laboring and what he would never do is he would never say, Oh, I was planning to do this thing tonight.
00:59:13.000So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna veer this conversation into uh something that broke on the news last night, and that was, and I was asked about it on Tim Poole.
00:59:23.000Uh I was uh honored to to join Tim's show last night.
00:59:27.000He's actually broadcasting from uh Turning Point, and you know, he's actually gonna help co-host the show tomorrow.
00:59:35.000But they asked me about this letter that Charlie had written to uh BB Netanyahu.
00:59:40.000And this was something that we were very aware of.
00:59:42.000Uh, we didn't think it was controversial at all.
00:59:44.000It apparently leaked, it was about a seven-page letter um that he wrote in May, and it was his his encouragements and his admonitions, uh his admonishments rather, uh, to the way that they were handling their PR uh situation.
01:00:01.000He was like, hey, listen, I'm out on an island here.
01:00:03.000I have to defend you all the time, and it shouldn't be my job, it should be your job.
01:00:07.000Uh give me from your perspective, because I know you talked about Israel with Charlie.
01:00:13.000You you talked about all of this stuff.
01:00:15.000What was what is your perspective on that letter?
01:00:18.000What was your perspective on the reaction to the letter and what was in the contents of it?
01:00:21.000So I did read the letter last night, and I mean, essentially it it's the everything I ever heard Charlie say about this very topic publicly or privately.
01:00:29.000Uh, both um his um uh you know, his support and love of Israel and the Jewish people, um, his concerns about um we're uh whether or not we're gonna just label everybody that has disagreements with Israeli policy.
01:00:42.000I mean, hey, during COVID, um when we were pushing back on that, I mean, I was very critical of the government of Israel during that.
01:00:49.000Bibi Netanyahu launched probably the worst lockdown of any industrialized country, free industrialized country in the world.
01:01:16.000And so I I are we gonna say, though, if you have criticisms of their policy, we're gonna automatically jump to the anti-Semite card.
01:01:22.000At the same time, we have a rising tide of anti-Semitism on the right that I know Charlie was greatly uh concerned about.
01:01:28.000In fact, him and I, he was discussing with me how we could organize you know an evangelical specific pushback to that.
01:01:35.000Just literally in the last days before he died, we were having those conversations.
01:01:38.000And one of the things that we talked about in order to because how do we because we're undergoing a generational sifting right now in the church.
01:01:45.000Uh the two primary denominations you're seeing young men return to in mass are Catholic and and Reform Protestantism.
01:01:53.000And even though there's deep doctrinal differences there, going back to you know, the Reformation.
01:01:58.000Yes, they both have uh the historical Christian view, predispensationalism of the nation of Israel.
01:02:08.000Yeah, so the the pre before dispensationalism, the church primarily believed that the covenant with Israel was fulfilled when Jesus said it is finished.
01:02:17.000Not just the wrath of God is finished, but the that covenant is finished.
01:02:20.000The the f the the ultimate role of Israel was to bring forth Messiah, and that has been completed.
01:02:27.000And especially when the when in 70 and then in 110 AD, when this temple was destroyed in 70 AD and Jerusalem was ransacked in 110 AD, that that early Christians believed that was at that was the abomination of desolation at the Olivet discourse that Jesus was warning about.
01:02:42.000In fact, one of the great divisions in the early church were remember, everybody's a Jew at first.
01:02:47.000It's just a matter of whether they believe Yeshua is Messiah or not.
01:02:51.000And so when they when they watched the Roman legions go into the temple and defile it, they viewed that the early church as though this is what Jesus warned us about, the abomination of desolation.
01:03:15.000There were There have been some uh some sects that believed that there was there was gonna be a future iteration of Israel later.
01:03:21.000But and and then Augustine comes in in the fourth century, and this overwhelmingly now becomes he's Augustine's the most formative figure in the church in the post-canon era.
01:03:29.000And many meant much of what the reformers wanted to reinstill was just old Augustinian versions' views of Catholicism, frankly.
01:03:36.000And and and so this idea that the sometimes it's called replacement theology, I think it's more complicated than that, that essentially now Israel's role in the prophetic timeline is fulfilled, and now this is the era of the church.
01:03:48.000All right, and we could do that's pre-dispensation.
01:03:51.000That's pre-dispensationalism, and there's always variations, guys, and there's always debates when in these.
01:03:55.000So when would you say dispensationalism was on the rise?
01:03:57.000A lot of people look at the the rise of the Schofield Bible.
01:04:01.000And that that does have some you know, it's funny.
01:04:02.000I saw I saw John Rich do that show with Tucker Carlson about a year ago, and I kind of chuckled at the controversy, because when I I got converted when I was a local host in Des Moines, and so I started asking all these questions.
01:04:12.000I don't know, and I start bringing people on with these various views, and man, the amount of controversy it caused 20 years ago in Des Moines, Iowa, all right, let alone what it's what it's gonna do on a show the size of Tucker's to have this conversation, but there is part of that.
01:04:24.000But but here's the thing the dispensational churches, particularly coming out of the Moody uh system, they were the ones when the mainline Protestant and mainline reformed and mainline Lutheran churches that had the historical view, they went when they went mainline and then went apostate, it was the churches that were sending around the the the pamphlets called the fundamentals all over the country, fun that's hence the term fundamentalism.
01:04:48.000They were the ones that held on to orthodoxy that did not become apostate.
01:04:52.000And so many Christians, particularly in the older generations, I'm uh I'm an Xer and boomers, had no idea that there were other views about Israel and prophecy because the orthodoxy came that was being taught came strictly out of dispensation.
01:05:08.000I believe they play they pray it at Israel or an Easter Islam.
01:05:12.000The the Easter Vigil has a lot of prayers in the world.
01:05:14.000One of them is for the Jewish people, uh they say in God for those who do not believe in Christ, they kind of have to do that.
01:05:22.000Now, Spurgeon, I'm a big Spurgeon guy.
01:05:23.000Spurgeon detested dispensationalism, but he also believed there was going to be a free of a future reconstitution of Israel with the intent of a great revival in the end times.
01:05:33.000He also believed that Charlie Charlie would talk about this a lot too about the one of the best arguments for you know Israel is the land rights, right?
01:05:42.000Because God promised the land to Israel, his promises are never ending.
01:05:46.000So yeah, you could you could talk about who the who the fulfillment of the church is.
01:05:54.000I didn't know we were gonna go here, but this is this is fascinating.
01:05:57.000So you're you're walking through this history, and you're saying the ri so the church was mostly pre-dispensationalist, and then at some point, would you say in the early 1900s?
01:06:08.000It was the ascendancy of dispensationalism, which in a nutshell means that when the...
01:06:15.000Bible's talking about who the church is or who who the people of God are, he still means the Jewish people to some extent.
01:06:20.000Yeah, that there's the Jews and the Christian sh in the Gentile church are on dual D-U-A-L, dual tracks of of redemption, of prophetic redemption, and we're in the age of the Gentiles now, and when the church is raptured, and that that will be the end of the age of the Gentiles, and then God will turn to the Jewish people one last time for the fulfillment of that covenant, and then we'll usher in the second coming of Christ.
01:06:44.000Pre-dispensationalism believes that the church is the fulfillment now becomes the right, but it but which is com it's complicated, right?
01:06:52.000Because people within these camps don't even agree with you.
01:06:55.000And by the way, there just so the audience is clear, within these two camps, if you think of them as the the sort of two ends of the spectrum, there's multiple camps in the middle and variations of each.
01:07:06.000We could do a month of shows on this and just scratch the surface.
01:07:08.000This is why because the Bible it like it's complicated, right?
01:07:12.000Because Paul's talking about, well, you're in grafted branches.
01:07:15.000So which means that you know we're like wild olive sh you know.
01:07:19.000And that's why I think we should, and this is something Charlie and I definitely agreed on.
01:07:23.000That's why, while we're gonna have this debate, and it needs to be had, okay.
01:07:26.000We're a generation past two having this debate.
01:07:29.000Are we still dispensational or are we historical?
01:07:35.000That's where we're gonna land the plane.
01:07:37.000Um you you you read my mind because if there's anything that is clear to me about the last few months, it was that he had a laser pinpoint focus on raising the flag, sounding the alarm about the rise of Islam in the West.
01:07:55.000You know, the the the point of that letter, and I just want to put a pin on that, and then we're gonna go to Islam, is Charlie called what Israel was doing PR malpractice.
01:08:04.000And you know, it's kind of like the Bible says the wounds of a fent of a friend can be trusted.
01:08:09.000He was respectful in tone because he's speaking to a world leader.
01:08:13.000But you know, it was a private letter because it was pretty brutal, actually.
01:08:18.000It was saying, you know, this is bad PR.
01:08:21.000And Charlie would say on the show, the PR, the Israeli PR and the lack of confronting this information machine that's against you is malpractice, and you need to fix it.
01:08:31.000Which is a great argument against a Zionist conspiracy that controls the world.
01:08:35.000When they have such a bad PR mission, that's a fair point.
01:08:37.000And I always think uh the other good point is that you know, if they control the world, why does why is the UN so against them?
01:08:42.000But you know, uh why they why is it fixated on them?
01:08:45.000But but the point is Charlie was less concerned about that and more concerned about this rise of Islam in in the West.
01:08:52.000You see this in places like Dearborn in America.
01:08:54.000You you you talk to politicians in Michigan, by the way, and they're like, Well, I can't say that because I've got I've I've been in these conversations because I gotta, you know, I gotta say things because there's so many Muslims now.
01:09:04.000Charlie was warning against invaders that would rule over you, and that's an example.
01:09:09.000That's it's a soft that's how it happens, that's how it starts.
01:09:11.000And then you go to places like London, you were with him in London.
01:09:15.000So it was so jarring when we went in London, and we get in this very posh, Tony, whatever choose your word that you want, in central London, and storefronts have the lettering in Arabic.
01:09:27.000We were staying in, he was staying in a pretty decent hotel.
01:09:30.000If you turned on the television, there's as many television channels that are in Arabic as in English.
01:09:37.000Uh they had Saudi TV, they had you know Lebanese TV, they had Pakistani TV, sorry, Egyptian.
01:09:43.000They even had the the Saudi children's channel, so it was showing a Spiral of the Dragon show, but in Arabic.
01:09:50.000And it was so jarring for him to see that, and then he's talking to people, and they're saying, Yeah, there's thousands of mosques in London at this point.
01:09:59.000Uh people are running and getting elected to parliament on a free Gaza platform.
01:10:05.000Well, and then you go to like France, and the women have to wear, you know, subway shirts because the immigrant men are not used to seeing young women and tank tops or whatever.
01:10:15.000And there was, you know, obviously you have the rape gangs, but it also affects just the the body politic because now you have to start speaking to this new contingent of voters.
01:10:30.000They'll think this is a four percent minority, it's not a big deal, yet in 25 years, they've grown to 8%, and they're still growing.
01:10:39.000Yeah, and so you can do the math and say, yeah, by 2050, the UK is going to be 25%.
01:10:46.000There was that terrifying clip out of Denmark where there this Danish guy is getting into a fight with you know an argument and the the with the Muslim uh immigrant, and he goes, in ten years, we you don't have any babies, we have lots of kids.
01:10:59.000He's like, we were gonna control you in ten years.
01:11:01.000Here's the thing for for twelve hundred years there was no nation on earth called Israel, but we still had Islam.
01:11:07.000And so if you think our aloe I'm not saying we don't have to rethink some of our aspects of our alliance with Israel, but if you think that we are incurring the wrath of Islam because of our alliance with Israel, I'm gonna disprove it right now.
01:11:18.000For 1200 years, there was no nation on earth called Israel, but we still had Islam.
01:11:22.000How did Islam treat the Christian West during that time?
01:11:25.000It went to war with it the entire time.
01:11:28.000The Holy Roman Empire was formed because the Muslims had taken Vienna and they were a block south of Paris.
01:11:33.000All right, so this idea that it, if anything, if anything, Israel is actually a cudgel between us and Islam.
01:11:39.000If there were no Jewish state in the Middle East, all of that energy would just all be directed at us.
01:11:45.000And I think we can have, and I and I want us to have the big prophetic debates.
01:11:52.000Your boomer parents were wrong to care more about Israeli defense force maneuvers around the temple mount than the school board at your in your in your local neighborhood.
01:12:45.000Um Steve, please, really quick, where can people follow you and watch the show?
01:12:50.000At Steve Day Show, D-E-A-C-E on X. Everything we do is all catalog and index there for the Blaze and everywhere else at Steve Day Show on X. This has been a pleasure, my friend.
01:12:59.000I again I just want to reiterate Charlie loved you and he trusted you.