The Charlie Kirk Show - October 31, 2025


Charlie's Global Free Speech Offensive


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42 minutes

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8,101

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602

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Sarah Rogers is the new Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy at the State Department. She joins us to talk about her path to the job, her passion for public diplomacy, and what it means to be a public servant.

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00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.
00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.
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00:01:10.000 All right, welcome back, hour two of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:12.000 Honored to be with you.
00:01:13.000 I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show, and Blake Neff, our not-so-secret weapon.
00:01:19.000 Our show is devoted to maintaining the legacy of Charlie Kirk, making sure his mission expands, grows, multiplies.
00:01:27.000 And I'm really excited about this next guest because her name is Sarah Rogers.
00:01:32.000 She's the Under Secretary of State, so the State Department for Public Diplomacy. 0.99
00:01:36.000 And I don't want to say too much.
00:01:39.000 I'm going to kind of throw this over to Blake, but she is what Charlie helped when, you know, was very involved with the transition and helping with certain appointees.
00:01:50.000 And man, Charlie just completely was just really impressed by Sarah.
00:01:56.000 And now she has been confirmed.
00:01:58.000 And it's just, it's just a continuation of Charlie's legacy.
00:02:01.000 But Sarah is somebody that we got to know via you, Blake.
00:02:04.000 So I'm going to, the floor is yours.
00:02:06.000 Let's welcome Sarah in. 0.97
00:02:07.000 But I'm excited to listen to you guys.
00:02:10.000 Of course.
00:02:10.000 Of course.
00:02:11.000 Yeah.
00:02:11.000 Well, welcome, Sarah.
00:02:12.000 We've been looking forward to this for a long time.
00:02:14.000 You know, this is someone Charlie was asking for people who should pitch to the administration.
00:02:20.000 He asked me.
00:02:21.000 He asked a lot of people.
00:02:22.000 And I remember Sarah was one of the first two people that I sent a resume for.
00:02:26.000 I said, I think she was the first.
00:02:28.000 Get her in something. 0.85
00:02:29.000 She's extremely smart, extremely effective, extremely based, as we say.
00:02:33.000 And, you know, very sad that we were so looking forward to having her on the show.
00:02:38.000 And, you know, unfortunately, she couldn't come on while she was just a nominee.
00:02:41.000 The Senate was taking a very, very long time on these nominees.
00:02:44.000 And we finally got her confirmed only after the tragedy.
00:02:47.000 But Sarah, we're very, very glad to have you on the show right now.
00:02:50.000 Blake, Andrew, thank you so much for the warm welcome.
00:02:53.000 It is a thrill and a privilege to be here.
00:02:55.000 And I will try to live up to that glowing intro.
00:03:00.000 I can't promise that I'll be smart, but I can promise that I'll be based.
00:03:04.000 All right.
00:03:05.000 Well, so I think we should introduce people to what your job is because, you know, you're not just the Secretary of State.
00:03:10.000 You're Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy.
00:03:13.000 I don't know that people necessarily know what that is.
00:03:16.000 But so let's just say, you know, Charlie was America first. 0.60
00:03:20.000 We are America first.
00:03:21.000 What is the America first framing of American diplomacy?
00:03:27.000 Thanks very much, Blake.
00:03:28.000 So before I get into that substantively, I'll just say it's absolutely correct that I wouldn't be here if it weren't for Charlie, for his trust and confidence, as well as that of President Trump and Secretary Rubio.
00:03:38.000 And one of my greatest regrets is that I couldn't work with him longer on issues dear to both of us, like free speech, during his life.
00:03:45.000 So now my duty and my goal when I wake up every day in this job that I'm thrilled to have is to work in his memory for the president and on behalf of the American people to advance those goals and get done the things that Charlie would have wanted and we still want.
00:04:03.000 So public diplomacy refers, you know, when we think about diplomacy, we usually think about the relationship between the American government and foreign governments.
00:04:11.000 Two ambassadors shake hands, sign a trade deal.
00:04:14.000 But public diplomacy, which is my silo of the State Department, deals with the relationship between the American government and the foreign public.
00:04:21.000 And this is a critical instrument of national security because when we have to do something like secure a strategic port or convince a foreign populace to use our AI or our 5G instead of China's, the public barometer matters a lot.
00:04:36.000 And now today's public is very different than the one we confronted during the Cold War.
00:04:41.000 Information during the age of mass media flowed downhill.
00:04:45.000 So legacy authorities like governments, like legacy media would speak and the masses in the mass media age would listen.
00:04:53.000 But that's not the age we live in now.
00:04:55.000 The public is online.
00:04:56.000 They're more networked.
00:04:57.000 They're more reactive than ever before.
00:05:00.000 And predecessors of mine, both within state and other parts of the government we now know, saw this democratized, chaotic information environment and they panicked.
00:05:09.000 They said, we've got to sanitize and censor everything.
00:05:12.000 They even tried to censor Charlie, which I worked with him on and Blake on, as you guys know.
00:05:17.000 And that is one of the vignettes, that whole Murphy Supreme Court case that we will be doing thorough truth and reconciliation on.
00:05:26.000 We will be releasing documents as soon as we are able to complement the ones that have already surfaced through the Twitter files and other sources.
00:05:34.000 And it is my job to hold out to the world what America's values and priorities are.
00:05:40.000 And they aren't censorship anymore.
00:05:42.000 They're America first. 0.98
00:05:43.000 And America's crown jewel value, and Charlie knew this.
00:05:46.000 He lived for it.
00:05:47.000 He regrettably died for it, is free speech.
00:05:50.000 Yeah, so we actually have a clip we want to put up here.
00:05:53.000 So Charlie, he was starting to go abroad a lot more this year.
00:05:57.000 He got to speak at Oxford earlier this year.
00:05:59.000 And this is one of the things he said that got the most attention.
00:06:02.000 Let's play clip 292.
00:06:04.000 In Britain today, 30 people a day are arrested for offensive posts on social media, according to the Telegraph.
00:06:11.000 Praying silently within 600 feet of an abortion clinic can get you arrested in Scotland, as a 74-year-old woman named Rose just learned weeks ago.
00:06:20.000 Members of parliament scold British citizens for thinking they have the right to say things, say that they do not have the right to say things that offend Muslims.
00:06:28.000 So I think a lot of our, you know, our foreign charm offensives, we've gotten used to seeing stuff in the Middle East where we're saying, oh, why you should be more secular or more pro-gay or something.
00:06:40.000 But now I think, especially on the right, we've seen a lot of interest in, well, why don't we try to pressure Europe to embrace free speech instead of censorship?
00:06:50.000 And do you see a role in the Trump State Department where we're going to see more of that?
00:06:54.000 And what are we fighting?
00:06:55.000 Also, Leo, what are we fighting against?
00:06:56.000 What is going on in Germany and the UK that we all should care about as Americans?
00:07:01.000 Blake, that is a fantastic question.
00:07:03.000 Charlie obviously was very fired up on this too.
00:07:05.000 So what's going on in the UK and Germany?
00:07:08.000 What's going on is that there's no First Amendment, and there's a much more safetyist approach to speech that has really had some absurd effects that I think even sectors of these societies are becoming quite embarrassed of.
00:07:21.000 So there's a case in Germany that Americans are shocked whenever I tell them about it.
00:07:26.000 And so I talk about it whenever I can because our failure as free speech activists is that more Americans don't know it.
00:07:32.000 This case regrettably involved a gang rape in a public park of a German teenager by nine men.
00:07:39.000 Those men were all convicted.
00:07:41.000 There's no question of their guilt.
00:07:43.000 During their trial, their expert witness said they'd committed the rape for cultural reasons.
00:07:47.000 They were traumatized by the migration experience.
00:07:51.000 So most of those rapists did not receive jail time because in Germany, if you profess to be a minor or considered to be under the age of majority by the court, it turns out you can commit gang rape and walk free.
00:08:03.000 Big surprise.
00:08:04.000 But someone did go to jail in connection with this gang rape, and that was a woman, because a woman texted one of the rapists and called him a disgraceful rapist pig, which of course is true. 0.99
00:08:18.000 Of course he is.
00:08:19.000 All nine of them are.
00:08:21.000 But in Germany, that's hate speech.
00:08:23.000 So the woman was arrested and the woman, not the rapist, received two days in jail.
00:08:28.000 That's the kind of value system that it is our job to persuade people to abandon in favor of one based on the First Amendment.
00:08:37.000 So that's Germany.
00:08:38.000 In the UK, which Charlie just mentioned, there's actually a recent incident that occurred following the tragedy, so Charlie couldn't comment on it.
00:08:46.000 There's a relatively accomplished comedy writer named Graham Linehan who was arrested, detained, and jailed for joking on Twitter about transgenderism.
00:08:55.000 And I'll paraphrase here because I don't have the tweet, but it's something like, if you see a man in a ladies' room, you can kick him in the nuts. 1.00
00:09:01.000 And that apparently was, it was a threat of violence in Britain in the way that some of the Islamist demonstrations in the street apparently don't rise to.
00:09:10.000 So Linehan was jailed.
00:09:12.000 And by the way, I'll just say that if there were ever a case for censorship, right, it would be a memetic internet contagion like transgenderism that targets children results in either death in a lot of cases, suicide, or lifelong permanent disfigurement or sterility. 0.89
00:09:29.000 And the censorship apparatus did not protect us or our children from trans.
00:09:34.000 The censorship apparatus suffocated even the most reasoned criticism of it.
00:09:39.000 So really, like even the steelman case for censorship fails there.
00:09:44.000 Also in Britain, as Charlie mentioned, we have people arrested for acts like praying silently or wearing a priestly collar within a visible radius of an abortion clinic because the idea is in Britain, it's not merely a crime to do something like block the clinic doors, which might actually impede someone from obtaining an abortion.
00:10:04.000 You're not even allowed to try to dissuade someone from obtaining an abortion.
00:10:08.000 So that's another shocking reality.
00:10:12.000 Yeah, we'll continue this past the break, but we've really got to lay out that it's very bad when our closest cultural compatriots, so to speak, are just our allies are just embracing this ideology that's totally hostile to the world.
00:10:26.000 I did not realize, Sarah, that you can't wear a priestly collar near an abortion clinic.
00:10:31.000 I guess the demons don't like it.
00:10:35.000 Yeah, demons are more and more prominent in our discourse today.
00:10:38.000 Sorry.
00:10:39.000 Yeah, no, they are.
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00:11:51.000 So we're talking about the importance of free speech abroad, but people have claimed that the criticisms of like Antifa, for example, in the U.S., that there's a tension there, that the administration is becoming anti-speech in other ways.
00:12:04.000 So I thought you'd be a good person to lay out the differences.
00:12:07.000 Like what's the real difference between some of what we've seen from a quite, in my opinion, violent radical left, and then just what we see in Europe where you have crackdowns on basically any publicity on what migrants do or just dissent against the trans issue or Islam or a whole bunch of other lines.
00:12:25.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:12:26.000 I mean, there are lots of important lines on First Amendment jurisprudence, but I think this is the brightest and most critical one.
00:12:33.000 And that is the difference between actual violence, political violence, and political speech.
00:12:39.000 And by anathematizing and unequivocally opposing and crushing political violence, which is what Antifa engages in, we preserve the right to political dissent.
00:12:50.000 Because the First Amendment is what it really is, is the right to bring any viewpoint to the public square, any viewpoint, an unpopular one, a racist one, an inconvenient one.
00:13:02.000 Bring that viewpoint forth and aim to persuade people instead of kill them.
00:13:07.000 And the ability to do that, the ability to go out into the public square and persuade without having to shoot anyone and certainly without getting shot yourself, that is the sin quenan of a free society.
00:13:19.000 And that's what we have to protect.
00:13:21.000 And it's by opposing these groups that we preserve that right and make America safe for the First Amendment in the future.
00:13:27.000 Seems like a pretty obvious bright line.
00:13:30.000 If your freedoms impede my ability to have my freedoms or to live or to not be able to go out in the public space and not get punched or assaulted.
00:13:42.000 I like the clarity on that because we've had to endure so much of this BS of they love to muddle that where violent things, you know, burning down a police station is actually just speech, as long as they didn't directly kill anyone.
00:13:53.000 Or just that in general, they do this nonsense where, oh, your speech is actually violence because it upset me, because it traumatized me.
00:14:00.000 And I do think it's very important that we have people like Sarah here to really insist on the difference between those things and that there's consequences for real violence, but speech has to be sacrosanct.
00:14:12.000 So Sarah, obviously what you're doing is the State Department.
00:14:15.000 It is outward facing.
00:14:17.000 There's a lot of, a lot of people would say America first means focusing on America.
00:14:21.000 It's getting away from what you might call foreign entanglements.
00:14:25.000 Now, obviously that includes wars, but we also saw that with U.S. aid, people are, or AID, where people were frustrated that we were spending money on various programs overseas and that these are distractions.
00:14:37.000 They get away from what's really important.
00:14:39.000 So I assume what you do does involve to some extent spending money outside of the United States.
00:14:45.000 So I thought you could explain to our audience why is it worthwhile?
00:14:50.000 What is what we are going to do?
00:14:51.000 Why is it worth doing?
00:14:54.000 Great question, Flake.
00:14:55.000 So first of all, when we're talking about the scope of what we're spending, the foreign aid budget, and this is my understanding as of now, I don't have the spreadsheet in front of me.
00:15:03.000 I think it's about $50 billion.
00:15:05.000 That is a lot of American taxpayer money.
00:15:08.000 By contrast, we can do very high impact, very high-impact initiatives in the field of public diplomacy for much less.
00:15:14.000 So for example, my office just recently expanded the scholarship where we trade some of our top STEM AI like tech guys with Hungary.
00:15:24.000 So we take like the two smartest AI or math or technology scientists in Hungary, we bring them here, and critically, they don't immigrate to America.
00:15:32.000 They cross-pollinate their expertise with our experts and then we send them back.
00:15:36.000 So that costs less than $100,000 to do, and that actually benefits the United States instead of delusion us with migrants we don't want or advancing some kind of nebulous NGO network in a country that doesn't want or appreciate it.
00:15:51.000 So that's the first point I would make is dollars and impact.
00:15:54.000 The second point I would make is about unilateral disarmament. 0.79
00:15:57.000 So every time our side wins or even comes within range of it, there's this debate about, you know, do we unilaterally disarm or do we wield against the left the same kinds of weapons and tactics they wielded against us.
00:16:09.000 The woke left formulation of the same debate is, can you use the master's tools to dismantle the master's house?
00:16:15.000 And my answer is it depends on the weapon.
00:16:17.000 It depends on the tool.
00:16:18.000 Some of them, like disparate impact litigation, that has a clear kind of asymmetric leftist valence, get that weapon off the field.
00:16:25.000 It helps them more than it helps us.
00:16:25.000 We don't need it.
00:16:27.000 But the tools of public diplomacy are tools we should use.
00:16:30.000 And my answer to the left is like, I'm going to use these tools because these are our tools now because this is our house now.
00:16:39.000 Yeah, it's Jersey.
00:16:40.000 We had Biden pushing, you know, what do you want to call it?
00:16:43.000 Transform gay space communism or whatever. 0.82
00:16:46.000 Tony Blinken was Charlie used to rail against this, by the way.
00:16:49.000 It was one of the most, I think, clearest kind of pivots.
00:16:52.000 It was like, you know, growing up, we were like, we're going to spread American democracy and American values all across the globe.
00:16:57.000 And then Biden becomes president.
00:16:58.000 Charlie's like, wait, hold on a second.
00:17:00.000 This is a terrible idea.
00:17:01.000 We're spreading like trans and kids and LGBTQ.
00:17:04.000 We can spend millions of dollars to sponsor, you know, CRT and sponsor trans radicalism all around the world.
00:17:12.000 It strikes me as insane that we can't spend, as you pointed out, not that much money in the grand scheme of things to instead say, actually, America is going to promote freedom of speech and like conventional American liberties instead of these novel woke ones.
00:17:26.000 And I'll also just point out quickly that the free speech issue is a national security nexus too, because these countries that are arresting their citizens for calling a rapist a pig, which is true, or for praying outside of an abortion clinic, are now trying to enforce their laws against American citizens and American companies.
00:17:41.000 So the UK is in litigation right now with the website 4chan, based in America, no operations in Britain.
00:17:48.000 The UK takes the position that merely because the speech is accessible in Britain, UK censorship law must apply.
00:17:54.000 There's also an American citizen, a Trump supporter, who was confronted by UK police for posting a meme the UK police did not like.
00:18:04.000 And if our tech companies and certainly our speech marketplace are subject to this kind of censorious safetyism, this kind of perverse regulation, we will never win the AI race against China.
00:18:15.000 Our rate of advancement will be slowed and it'll affect all of our critical interests, of which free speech is one.
00:18:20.000 Well, we are here at Turning Point in the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:18:23.000 We are passionate about spreading free speech around the world.
00:18:26.000 I used to not think about it like this, but truly, if we become an island of free speech, the last remaining island of free speech, guess what happens the next time the Democrats are going to get in power?
00:18:35.000 They're going to be looking at no more Europeans. 0.98
00:18:37.000 Yeah, they're going to be looking at their European allies in the UK and saying, well, they crack down on everything.
00:18:41.000 We're just doing this transatlantic crackdown on speech because we live in a scary world and these far-right extremists are going to, they're coming for us and they're going to crack down.
00:18:50.000 We need allies around the world that hold these values as top priorities.
00:18:56.000 You should tell us what we're hoping to do going forward.
00:18:58.000 So my office, when we engage in all these educational and cultural programs around the world, we hire organizations to implement them for us.
00:19:06.000 These are nonprofits in the past, an assortment with which other administrations chose to work.
00:19:11.000 I'm privileged to announce on this show that we'll be working with Turning Point USA to implement multiple international programs dealing with topics like free speech.
00:19:19.000 More details on that to come.
00:19:21.000 That's amazing.
00:19:22.000 I mean, that's what Charlie wanted.
00:19:23.000 Charlie, that's why he was going to South Korea, going to the UK.
00:19:25.000 He wanted to go to Germany, the Netherlands, and say, you know, American free speech is one of our greatest things, and the whole world deserves to have it.
00:19:34.000 That's a beautiful, beautiful way to end this interview.
00:19:37.000 Sarah Rogers, Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy.
00:19:42.000 Thank you both so much.
00:19:43.000 Got it.
00:19:43.000 Thank you, Sarah.
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00:20:45.000 That's if I just, you know, we're about to have a couple of the student leaders from Ole Miss join us because it was such a triumph.
00:20:55.000 We just figured, let's give them the stage.
00:20:57.000 Let's give them a moment to bask in what they accomplished yesterday evening, which was tremendous.
00:21:03.000 So let's just talk about, let's just throw one of these up here.
00:21:06.000 259.
00:21:07.000 This is JD Vance on H-1B visas last night, 259.
00:21:11.000 We let in about a million legal immigrants into the United States of America every single year.
00:21:15.000 And I think the evidence is pretty clear that a lot of those immigrants are actually undercutting the wages of American workers. 1.00
00:21:21.000 It's one of the reasons why the President of the United States, it's one of the reasons why the President of the United States and a lot of us in the administration have encouraged H-1B reform.
00:21:30.000 Because if you look at the H-1B visa, what it's supposed to be, what it's supposed to be is that you have a super genius who's studying at an American university, who's working at a great company.
00:21:41.000 You want that super genius to stay in the United States of America and not go somewhere else.
00:21:46.000 What it's actually used to do is hire an accountant at a 50% discount to an American citizen.
00:21:53.000 I don't think that we should be hiring accountants from foreign countries when we've got accountants right here in the United States that would love to work for a good wage.
00:22:01.000 J.D. Vance is masterclass just taking questions from students.
00:22:05.000 By the way, the students were throwing a tough question.
00:22:07.000 I was actually a little worried that people were going to think we screened them because there's so many, you know, conservative and fans of the administration in that part of the country.
00:22:16.000 And man, they came up with some good questions, I have to say.
00:22:19.000 Welcoming to the show now are two of the student leaders at our chapter at Ole Miss that made yesterday evening possible.
00:22:26.000 That'd be Leslie Lachman and Kent Tonos.
00:22:28.000 Leslie, you are the chapter president, Ole Miss.
00:22:31.000 You did a phenomenal job.
00:22:32.000 And Kent Tonos, you are the vice president.
00:22:34.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:22:35.000 Thank you so much for having us.
00:22:36.000 We're excited to be here, especially after last night.
00:22:39.000 We're coming down from it, but we couldn't be more thrilled.
00:22:42.000 Okay.
00:22:42.000 Thank you so much.
00:22:43.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:22:44.000 It's an honor to have you guys here.
00:22:46.000 So just take the audience into what it's like to be you.
00:22:50.000 You are chapter president, vice president of this campus.
00:22:54.000 You find out that J.D. Vance and Erica Kirk are going to be coming to Ole Miss.
00:22:59.000 Like, how does this work?
00:23:01.000 What are your roles?
00:23:02.000 How'd you pull this off?
00:23:03.000 Yeah, I think so.
00:23:05.000 I found out just about two weeks before.
00:23:07.000 I think immediately I thought to myself, oh my goodness, this is going to be the event of the year, not only for Ole Miss, but for Turning Point USA.
00:23:15.000 It's the largest event in history.
00:23:17.000 So I thought right away we have to get to work.
00:23:20.000 Kenneth is my right-hand man when it comes to all things details, event coordination.
00:23:24.000 And so I think a lot of it was tabling, spreading the word, details.
00:23:28.000 What would you say?
00:23:30.000 I have, yes, tabling.
00:23:32.000 And actually, it's odd because somebody random came up to me when we were telegating for the LSU Ole Miss game and said, do you know who the speaker is?
00:23:40.000 And I said, I have no idea.
00:23:42.000 And they said, I heard it could be J.D. Vance.
00:23:44.000 And this was far before anything was announced.
00:23:46.000 Anything was in the works.
00:23:47.000 So I just had that in the back of my head.
00:23:49.000 I was like, maybe this guy's just pulling my leg.
00:23:52.000 And then the day I find out when everybody else founds out with the announcement.
00:23:57.000 And I was like, there's no way this guy is.
00:23:59.000 I don't know if he was like a CIA agent or something.
00:24:02.000 It was funny, but I know.
00:24:05.000 It's been like a, it's been a very uphill battle and it's, it's been phenomenal.
00:24:12.000 Well, that's, that's amazing to hear.
00:24:13.000 Yeah, I might have had a little advance notice on that because I was part of the team working behind the scenes to figure out if we were going to be, because we were kind of getting down to the wire and it was like, oh, he's either going to do November 5th at Auburn or he's going to do October 29th.
00:24:28.000 And obviously when you're working with a vice president's schedule and all the travel and all the other obligations, it's tough to get it locked in.
00:24:35.000 And man, I just, so take us into this, to the campus, though.
00:24:39.000 I mean, first, I think I would love to know how your chapter is doing in the aftermath of Charlie's assassination.
00:24:47.000 What's the vibe, the tone?
00:24:49.000 How big is it?
00:24:50.000 Is it growing?
00:24:51.000 Tell us about those details.
00:24:53.000 Yeah.
00:24:54.000 So when I first took over presidency, we were looking at 200 members.
00:24:57.000 There's a smaller organization on campus.
00:24:59.000 It had a presence, but nothing to the size it is now.
00:25:02.000 We're looking at 14,000 on Instagram, just over 2,000 on our Group Me.
00:25:08.000 You know, we were prepared.
00:25:09.000 We had meetings already booked, tabling ready on the calendar.
00:25:09.000 We were ready.
00:25:13.000 So when the whole thing boomed, we felt really prepared in moving with this whole thing.
00:25:18.000 So it is exponentially grown.
00:25:20.000 Students not only want to be involved with this campus, but you can see the impact it's had across the country.
00:25:26.000 We've become a forefront chapter for what Turning Point USA should look like, kind of a model guide, everything from buttons custom made to what the table should be set up as to how can you do positive conservative conversation on the campus of Ole Miss.
00:25:39.000 And I'd say not only is it growth and a win for Ole Miss, but I think it's a win for all Turning Point chapters.
00:25:44.000 Yes, as Leslie said, we've grown exponentially.
00:25:47.000 And it's crazy to see the access that, you know, through the Regroup Me and just our university site, I think call it the forum.
00:25:56.000 We get almost 20, 10 to 20 people that want to join every single day.
00:26:01.000 And it's just, it amazes me how many people want to be involved.
00:26:05.000 And it's great.
00:26:06.000 It's fantastic.
00:26:08.000 Wow.
00:26:08.000 So maybe, I mean, it's probably too early to tell, but I mean, I've got to believe after last night's event.
00:26:14.000 I mean, to your point, that was not only the biggest chapter tour stop in Turning Point's history.
00:26:20.000 I mean, there was 10,000 people in that arena last night.
00:26:23.000 And people need to understand this.
00:26:25.000 Like, sometimes at our events, we have mostly students and some adults because, you know, there's a little room left over and we can get some, the adults sit in the standby line and we get them in as soon as all the students get seated.
00:26:36.000 We had to turn away students last night.
00:26:39.000 I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure that's a first in, especially one of these bigger tour stops.
00:26:44.000 It's a 10,000 person arena and it was 10,000 students packed to the brim, standing in line in the rain.
00:26:51.000 And I'm told that you guys have about 27,000 student body count or whatever.
00:26:55.000 There was 14,000 student registrations, 13,000 adult registrations, and we had to work to tell the adults, please do not come.
00:27:02.000 You won't get in.
00:27:03.000 Please do not come.
00:27:04.000 And yet they still, a lot of them came.
00:27:06.000 I mean, it was truly, truly amazing.
00:27:08.000 You guys have to, I've got to imagine after an event like that, your chapter is only going to continue to grow.
00:27:14.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:27:15.000 I mean, you could talk to, I mean, this was really a starting point.
00:27:19.000 This was the turning point.
00:27:20.000 You know, it's kind of ironic, but it is really true. 0.99
00:27:23.000 You see, it's not only people wanting to, you know, they came to the event.
00:27:28.000 They were excited.
00:27:29.000 They're wearing the merch, but it's action.
00:27:30.000 I think this is going to convert into voting numbers later on.
00:27:33.000 I think this is going to convert to a bigger picture thinking.
00:27:36.000 And I see this later on turning blue states red.
00:27:41.000 Yes, and preventing further government shutdowns too.
00:27:43.000 It's another thing.
00:27:44.000 We see it just right now.
00:27:46.000 And it's great to have this positive feedback from not only our tour, but hopefully other tour stops that come along just to see the young people get involved.
00:27:57.000 And the conservative way is the right way.
00:27:59.000 So I love the way that people view that.
00:28:03.000 You know, Charlie always, he loved to talk to Gen Z people.
00:28:06.000 He just, he loved to hear what motivated them, what had they seen to try to understand them better.
00:28:12.000 So you guys have seen that there's been a conservative shift among young people.
00:28:17.000 So I thought I'd ask, you've probably talked to a good number of freshmen who've just arrived on campus.
00:28:23.000 Have they said what shaped them, what shapes their worldview the most?
00:28:27.000 And how do they even differ from maybe seniors on your campus?
00:28:29.000 What have we seen just over the past four years in terms of how American young people are feeling politically?
00:28:36.000 I'd say that conservative values on the campus of Ole Miss have always been alive and well, but this freshman class is passionate.
00:28:43.000 I think Charlie's Kirk really pushed off that conversation of deeper involvement in the Conservative Party.
00:28:49.000 I think it's one thing to, you know, go out and say you love it, but to see the persuasion of almost everyone around you, it's immaculate.
00:28:58.000 Yeah.
00:28:59.000 And the freshmen have a different mindset.
00:29:02.000 The seniors that I've talked to are like, well, am I even going to be able to get a job?
00:29:06.000 As J.D. Vance pointed out, you know, with the visas that we have, am I even going to be able to get a job when I graduate?
00:29:12.000 Can I even be, you know, come from this accounting school and go be an accountant where I want to be an accountant, or am I going to get beat out somewhere?
00:29:20.000 So it's one of those things where the drive for our seniors is a different type of drive than the freshmen.
00:29:27.000 And the freshmen are, you know, they're happy, they're excited, and they have different values.
00:29:32.000 But when they get to that senior level, they'll go back and be like, well, I want that job too.
00:29:37.000 So another thing to note also, you just brought up, we have a freshman on our team.
00:29:42.000 She's new. 0.84
00:29:43.000 She wants to make these buttons and design them and spend hours versus, you know, if you're a senior, you know, you've gone through college, you've done it.
00:29:50.000 You're a little bit, you know, but I think it's crucial to have both parts because at the end of the day, everyone needs to go to those polls.
00:29:55.000 Everyone's still voting.
00:29:57.000 So I think whether you're hands on at that table or stepping a little bit back just to be a part of the events, all of it is very important to us.
00:30:04.000 Well, so tell me, to kind of piggyback off what Blake said, what was the reaction of students to some of the answers that JD gave?
00:30:12.000 What was the reaction to students about Erica's speech?
00:30:15.000 I mean, what are you people telling you?
00:30:17.000 What are the students saying?
00:30:18.000 I mean, I would definitely say the reaction has been nothing but positive.
00:30:21.000 Those questions were hard-hitting.
00:30:22.000 I mean, we sat next to each other.
00:30:24.000 We were in the front row.
00:30:25.000 We were seeing this happen live.
00:30:27.000 I'm looking at Kenneth.
00:30:28.000 I'm like, ah, some of those, you know, but I'd say he handled it so well, so delicately.
00:30:34.000 I'm so proud of Ole Miss for these well thought out, developed questions.
00:30:38.000 You know, you never know if kids are going to come up there and say crazy stuff.
00:30:41.000 But I felt really proud of our community that they came with strong questions prepared.
00:30:45.000 And the reactions have been positive.
00:30:47.000 I think personally, we can all remember Ricky Bobby comment one, the comment of the evening.
00:30:52.000 Our pages were all about it.
00:30:54.000 I think that kids are hoot.
00:30:56.000 I said later in the group chat, haha, he's got to be on exec.
00:30:59.000 And so I think even how raw and true it was to what Ole Miss was, I couldn't be prouder.
00:31:05.000 It also shows like, you know, we all don't have to agree on everything.
00:31:09.000 And they even pointed that out yesterday as like, you know, even if they have only 20% to something in common that you have, that doesn't mean you get to turn them away.
00:31:17.000 That means that they can ask questions and you can even ask questions because JD even said there is no neutrality.
00:31:23.000 You're always going to be biased on one side or the other.
00:31:25.000 So, and it was great to see that last night.
00:31:28.000 Man, that is great.
00:31:29.000 You know, Leslie, I have to tell you, I ran into a reporter there.
00:31:34.000 The outlet will remain anonymous for our sake here.
00:31:38.000 This is off-the-record conversation, and those do go both ways.
00:31:42.000 But I will tell you, this reporter was singing your praises, and she was like, we have to, you know, Turning Point has to make sure we hold on to Leslie.
00:31:52.000 Are you a senior this year, Leslie?
00:31:53.000 No, I'm a junior, and I actually just turned 20, like a little bit ago.
00:31:57.000 It was just my birthday.
00:31:58.000 And so it's always funny when people approach me and they're like, you're the president.
00:32:01.000 And I'm like, yes, because cool, hot, young, conservative women can be the forefront of this conversation, especially at Turning Point. 1.00
00:32:08.000 And I think, you know, me being the face of it, I think sometimes you get a little confused.
00:32:11.000 But at the end of the day, if you dig deep, I think it makes sense.
00:32:15.000 I'd say our team responds pretty well.
00:32:17.000 And our team is significantly young, too.
00:32:19.000 And the way we work with each other is just crazy.
00:32:22.000 The amount of stuff that we can work together on and get done is just, you know, it's pushing each other.
00:32:28.000 You know, hey, we're college students, too.
00:32:30.000 Let's get it.
00:32:31.000 Let's get this ball rolling.
00:32:32.000 I love that.
00:32:33.000 And Kenneth, I didn't get a chance to meet you.
00:32:34.000 Leslie, I was backstage when you met the vice president.
00:32:38.000 So I didn't want to interrupt that at that moment, but I saw the way you comported yourself and handled yourself, and it was very impressive.
00:32:44.000 So congratulations to Leslie and Kent from Old Miss.
00:32:48.000 They run a great chapter there that's bursting at the seams.
00:32:51.000 2,000 people on your group me.
00:32:52.000 So congratulations, you two.
00:32:54.000 Well done.
00:32:55.000 Keep it up.
00:32:56.000 You're making Charlie proud.
00:32:57.000 Thank you.
00:32:58.000 Thank you.
00:32:59.000 All right.
00:32:59.000 God bless you guys.
00:33:00.000 Well done.
00:33:02.000 I mean, if you're in the audience, you're wondering, what's the future of America you just saw it?
00:33:06.000 And that was all made possible by their grit and tenacity and by Charlie's vision.
00:33:10.000 So God bless everyone that played a part.
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00:34:22.000 You know, Blake, it occurs to me that we've had a very eventful second hour here.
00:34:27.000 First, we had Sarah Rogers makes a smart woman, very based woman, giving kudos to Charlie and paying her respects for Charlie's role in getting her into her current position as Undersecretary of State for Foreign Diplomacy. 0.99
00:34:43.000 Public Diplomacy.
00:34:43.000 Dang it.
00:34:44.000 Got to say it the whole thing every single day.
00:34:45.000 I almost got it.
00:34:47.000 And then she just kind of slides in there that the State Department works with nonprofits, groups like Turning Point to achieve certain ends internationally.
00:34:57.000 And obviously, we are America first through and through, but we do have a foreign interest.
00:35:04.000 We have a domestic interest.
00:35:06.000 What we've seen is Charlie's mission was a global one.
00:35:09.000 We saw that with the global reaction to what happened.
00:35:12.000 But if we don't have, yes, that's exactly right.
00:35:16.000 Charlie's legacy is now global.
00:35:17.000 And as I've said before, he belongs to history now.
00:35:20.000 And the world took note.
00:35:22.000 It was a huge global story.
00:35:25.000 But now it sounds like there might be this opportunity to use the legacy of Charlie Kirk to expand free speech around the globe.
00:35:33.000 And people like Sarah Rogers are going to make that possible.
00:35:36.000 And then we bring in two absolute all-stars from Ole Miss and 2,000 students on their group me.
00:35:46.000 That is the impact that Turning Point is having.
00:35:49.000 That is the impact of the legacy of Charlie Kirk.
00:35:51.000 And so like, well, all this is such a huge tragedy.
00:35:54.000 And, you know, there's certain people online that say, oh, we're not grieving the right way or we're not sad enough.
00:35:59.000 We're not crying.
00:35:59.000 It's like, listen, man, we don't grieve the way the world grieves.
00:36:03.000 We don't have to wallow in this because, A, Charlie would not accept it.
00:36:06.000 I walk around with that thing in the back of my head all the time.
00:36:09.000 I know Charlie would not accept it.
00:36:11.000 Charlie would demand that we get every last ounce out of his life and his legacy.
00:36:16.000 And he gave the last final measure for this mission, for this country, for his faith.
00:36:21.000 And we just don't grieve the way the world grieves.
00:36:23.000 And there is so much good.
00:36:24.000 And in this hour, you have seen so much of it.
00:36:27.000 And it's just so powerful.
00:36:28.000 So Michael in our studio, he says, when I was in a TPSA chapter at U of A in 2018, there was like maybe 15 people, which, you know, I'm sure a lot of chapters.
00:36:39.000 That doesn't matter.
00:36:40.000 No, you can still win, but it really shows what good leadership, especially, can do.
00:36:46.000 When you take interest and then you convert that into action and activity, you know, it's like a snowball.
00:36:52.000 It just gets bigger as it goes downhill.
00:36:54.000 And it was like that with Charlie.
00:36:55.000 Turning point was, you know, you could have fit all of Turning Point in the studio room 12 years ago and then what he built it up into from there.
00:37:03.000 Yeah, and Michael says, I'm sure it's way bigger now.
00:37:05.000 Yeah, I actually know for a fact it's way bigger now.
00:37:07.000 And we actually saw this, you know, Mike, it was funny.
00:37:09.000 Mikey made a comment about his high school, which is Oaks Christian in Thousand Oaks, California.
00:37:15.000 Well, we tried to get a chapter there for a long time and couldn't get it through.
00:37:18.000 And then they, so Mikey was under the impression that it didn't exist still.
00:37:23.000 But they have now started a chapter, and it's hundreds and hundreds of students have joined that chapter.
00:37:27.000 And so in death, Charlie's legacy obviously expanded even more.
00:37:32.000 And these chapters have ballooned all across the country.
00:37:35.000 And I just loved seeing Leslie and Kenneth and their passion and their, you could just tell they were very dedicated.
00:37:41.000 They took this like a job and they're really pouring their whole self in.
00:37:44.000 So if you're a chapter member listening around the country, you have that same opportunity right now.
00:37:49.000 Take this as seriously as you can.
00:37:51.000 Blow it up.
00:37:52.000 Make it as big as you can.
00:37:53.000 And you would be amazed at the amount of power and influence that you can exert on your own campus and your local community.
00:38:00.000 And yeah, if there's a, it's funny because Leslie brought that up.
00:38:02.000 If there's a lockdown or some sort of COVID V2 that comes out, you can be a firewall in your community to stand up to tyranny if you have this large group on a campus like Ole Miss and other places.
00:38:14.000 So please, please, please pour your whole self into it.
00:38:17.000 Be courageous.
00:38:18.000 Be the courageous generation as Erica Kirk implored us.
00:38:21.000 There is a little bit of other news that I think our audience would get a kick out of.
00:38:25.000 There is some refugee news, Blake.
00:38:27.000 What is this?
00:38:27.000 Oh, yes, this is great.
00:38:29.000 I just saw this and tweeted about it.
00:38:31.000 But so this, there were rumors about this a few weeks ago, but it just hit.
00:38:35.000 The Trump administration is formally cutting the annual refugee admission amount from $125,000 a year to $7,500 a year.
00:38:45.000 And then this is what really has people, you know, you know who, extremely upset about it because they said they're going to give some priority to white South Africans who have faced a lot of violence, a lot of discrimination.
00:38:56.000 We've had Ernst Roots and others on the show about this.
00:38:59.000 And so they're going to say, we're going to give some priority for them coming here because they haven't really been treated as refugees by other places.
00:39:06.000 And on top of that, they're often very talented people, very immediately economically useful people.
00:39:12.000 And so they'll be able to support themselves and they're facing real violence in their home country.
00:39:17.000 And people are going to be very mad about this because they're Western-ish.
00:39:21.000 They're Western.
00:39:22.000 Yeah, they are crazy.
00:39:24.000 They assimilate or integrate immediately into America. 0.91
00:39:26.000 They have skills.
00:39:27.000 What you've really seen is America's Americans have gotten fed up with what is clearly the scam, where we take people, first of all, they're often not really refugees from anything other than the fact that their societies are really rotten and poor. 0.68
00:39:41.000 And then they're deliberately brought in and they're settled where they can cause the maximum disruption.
00:39:46.000 So we get all these refugee resettlements in small towns in Idaho, small towns in Iowa, small towns in the Dakotas, in Texas.
00:39:55.000 And they, yeah, they put them there.
00:39:57.000 They assimilate badly. 0.99
00:39:59.000 They tend to not be economically, they tend to not contribute economically, not even in the short term, but the long term, on the dole.
00:40:06.000 And there's tons of fraud.
00:40:08.000 I think, did Ilhan Omhard literally come here as a refugee, or did they come here under some status?
00:40:13.000 But remember her background.
00:40:14.000 Her dad was an official with like an authoritarian, I think even genocidal government.
00:40:19.000 That's why they had to flee.
00:40:21.000 And then they come here.
00:40:22.000 They're part of a community that routinely defrauds the American system. 0.61
00:40:26.000 And it's so obvious that what the refugee system had become for the left was it was just another lever for what their overall agenda was, which was to do the great replacement to demographically transform the United States, to just get people in by whatever door is available. 0.82
00:40:42.000 Sometimes it's H-1B.
00:40:43.000 Sometimes it's asylum seekers. 1.00
00:40:45.000 Sometimes it's refugees. 1.00
00:40:46.000 Sometimes it's just the diversity lottery.
00:40:49.000 Get them in however we can.
00:40:50.000 That's always the goal.
00:40:52.000 And the Trump administration has said: one, we're scaling this back, so you can't do that.
00:40:56.000 And we're going to focus on people who will improve America the most, or at least assimilate to America the quickest, instead of a scam.
00:41:03.000 Well, and I think if you look at, and I love that news, so 125,000 to 7,500, massive, massive decrease.
00:41:10.000 Thank God.
00:41:10.000 But secondly, if you look at what J.D. Vance talked about at Ole Miss last night, I think the one huge big takeaway in something Charlie railed against.
00:41:20.000 I could find you dozens of tweets and posts on X about this.
00:41:25.000 We have to reform our legal immigration system. 0.77
00:41:28.000 And I understand that there is a limitation with our current GOP and the way it is made up.
00:41:32.000 But J.D. Vance is pointing to the future.
00:41:35.000 And for him to say out loud, question after question, we need to reduce and reform our legal pathways to immigrate into this country.
00:41:43.000 And then you pair it with that news.
00:41:46.000 The future is going to get better if we stay the course.
00:41:49.000 There is light at the end of this tunnel, and common sense can prevail if we earn it.
00:41:55.000 Charlie's favorite word in the English language.
00:41:57.000 We'll see you tomorrow.
00:41:59.000 God bless.
00:41:59.000 We'll talk to you soon.