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00:01:09.000All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:11.000Andrew Colvett here, executive producer to this fine show.
00:01:15.000Joined by Mikey McCoy, sir, in the studio.
00:01:31.000And it's key today because we have, of course, Zoram Mamdani, arguably the most powerful Muslim in America, meeting President Trump at the White House today.
00:02:02.000Is this significant or is it not significant, Blake, that we have a Muslim communist socialist, whatever you want to call him, visiting the White House?
00:02:10.000I mean, we've mentioned the Islamic thing, but mostly with Mamdani.
00:02:14.000Mamdani's clearly not a devout Muslim in any meaningful way.
00:02:17.000He like just identifies with Islam to say, I'm not American.
00:02:22.000I follow this alien faith that is historically anti-West, anti-Western civilization, which I condemn all the time and want to rip down.
00:02:29.000That's the only way he's Muslim in a meaningful sense.
00:02:32.000Now, if you want to see real Islamic government, go to the UK, where you straight up have, you know, Allahu Akbar guys who are running for office where Gaza is their number one issue.
00:03:17.000And so that's kind of the representation of this Islam mindset that you get.
00:03:22.000But it's also interesting that Mamdani's going to meet with Trump when I think he said, do we have that clip where he says that his administration is going to be the worst nightmare for Trump?
00:03:33.000And then as soon as he gets elected, he's going to be.
00:03:35.000Well, it'll be really interesting to hear how it goes because you can think of a few ways.
00:03:39.000One, Trump is a very proud New Yorker.
00:03:42.000He clearly has a ton of fondness for the city.
00:03:44.000So I can frankly see if the mayor makes noises about wanting to play ball with him, I feel like Trump could be won over surprisingly easily.
00:03:54.000But it could also be that Mayor Mamdani sees this as an opportunity to do a big stunt.
00:03:59.000He can get a story about how he had a throwdown argument with Trump in the Oval Office or wherever they're meeting and get a lot of attention that way.
00:04:07.000I feel either person could be going into that meeting with an agenda.
00:04:22.000My administration would be Donald Trump's worst nightmare.
00:04:26.000I have many disagreements with the president, and I believe that we should be relentless and pursue all avenues and all meetings that could make our city affordable for every single New Yorker.
00:04:39.000I intend to make it clear to President Trump that I will work with him on any agenda that benefits New Yorkers.
00:04:48.000It's always fun to watch people change their politics.
00:04:51.000But by the way, this is, you know, again, I can't stop thinking about Helen Andrews' interview, which, again, I encourage everybody to go check it out.
00:05:41.000Oh, you're too young to know what that is.
00:05:44.000But if it is interesting, because, you know, Mamdani, we've said this, we've conceded this point that he's a talented politician in the sense that even his acceptance speech where he was like, turn the volume up, President Trump.
00:05:57.000A lot of sociopaths are good at politics.
00:06:26.000I think that a lot of this is still a case to be made.
00:06:28.000Whether it's the corporate tax, whether it's the personal income tax on those who make more than a million dollars a year or more, I think that these are the clearest ways.
00:06:35.000I've also said that if there are other ways to raise this funding, the most important fact is that we fund it.
00:06:40.000Not the question of how we do it, but that we do it.
00:06:44.000The thing that I said we were going to do to fund the free buses and the free stuff socialism, the free stuff populism, we can't do it, but it's fine.
00:06:58.000But that's actually, I think that's okay.
00:07:01.000Like, we shouldn't be too scared because, like, look, I just think to the Biden administration, literally as soon as he got elected, Turning Point got an audit immediately.
00:07:11.000And like, they went straight after the J Sixers.
00:07:14.000They went straight after, and they were following up on all these.
00:07:17.000They went after Tyler above and beyond.
00:07:37.000But on top of that, I just, it shows how unserious of a person he is in a very serious city in the United States of America, where it's just a lot of noise, but not a lot of substance.
00:07:50.000I really believe that if there was not a President Trump in the White House, if we did not have control of Congress, both the House and the Senate, that these people would be unleashed to become their worst versions of themselves, and the tyranny would spread rapidly.
00:08:05.000So what you're seeing is you're seeing the rumblings of a beginning and that will take full bloom if allowed.
00:08:14.000And I think that's why we talked about why Dearborn is important.
00:08:17.000What happened yesterday is it's a precursor of this sectarian civil strife that eventually will and could erupt into actual violence in the streets between Christians and Muslims if this is allowed to fester.
00:08:33.000And my case in point historically is Lebanon.
00:08:37.000Lebanon used to be basically 100% Christian.
00:09:28.000I can riff here, but like we just had Saudi Arabia visit DC and everything that's going on in the Gulf states is they are rapidly becoming less Islamist by offloading all of their radicals into the West.
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00:11:22.000Mass migration poses an existential threat to Western civilization and undermines the stability of key American allies.
00:11:29.000Today, the State Department instructed U.S. embassies to report on the human rights implications and public safety impacts of mass migration.
00:11:37.000Mass migration is a human rights concern.
00:11:40.000Western nations have endured crime waves, terror attacks, sexual assaults, and displacement of communities.
00:11:46.000U.S. officials will urge governments to take bold action and defend citizens against the threats posed by mass migration.
00:11:52.000Officials will, I'm just going to skip ahead to one, they cite some examples.
00:11:56.000In the United Kingdom, thousands of girls have been victimized in Rotherham, Oxford, and Newcastle by grooming gangs involving migrant men.
00:12:03.000Many girls were left to suffer unspeakable abuse for years before authorities stepped in.
00:12:08.000In Sweden, an Eritrean migrant convicted of raping a 16-year-old girl was allowed to remain in the country after a judge ruled that the incident was not a, quote, exceptionally exceptionally serious crime and did not warrant deportation.
00:12:22.000In Germany, nine men, several of them migrants, were convicted for the gang rape of a 15-year-old.
00:12:28.000A German woman who insulted one of the rapists online was given a harsher sentence than the perpetrators themselves.
00:12:36.000U.S. officials will now scrutinize policies in Western nations that give leniency to migrant crime and human rights abuses or that create two-tiered systems that prioritize migrants at the expense of their own citizens.
00:12:52.000The U.S. supports the sovereignty of our allies and calls on governments to engage with the growing number of citizens concerned about mass migration.
00:13:00.000We stand ready to assist our allies in solving the global crisis of migration.
00:13:29.000And some of them are very patriotic and we're lucky to have them.
00:13:33.000However, a policy of mass migration, one of the things that really bothers me is this, what it's mentioned in this tweet about the displacement of communities.
00:13:42.000I was just on a phone call with a friend last night who lives in Dallas.
00:13:46.000And he said that his parents live in a neighborhood next to him.
00:13:49.000And it used to be this neighborhood with Halloween trick-or-treating that all the kids would go out and Christmas lights and they would have block parties.
00:13:56.000And now he said it's basically all Indians, that all the former residents of that neighborhood have been displaced, moved out.
00:14:04.000The way that they interact with their neighbors is really uncomfortable.
00:14:09.000There's a lot of glaring that goes on with the women.
00:14:11.000I'm not saying that it's all of them, but this is a report from a friend that's saying, and by the way, you go to the malls there, and it's basically all Indians.
00:14:19.000Now, this is a neighborhood in Dallas, Texas, Red, Texas.
00:14:22.000And most of that is coming from H-1Bs.
00:14:26.000It's coming from family reunification policies.
00:14:30.000And that displacement used to be a liberal value that they would bemoan in long thought pieces in the Atlantic and the New Yorker when it would come to inner city gentrification during the early 2000s.
00:14:42.000They would talk about the displacement in San Francisco, in Brooklyn, and these types of places.
00:14:46.000And they would write sympathetically about those communities that get displaced.
00:14:50.000Well, now with mass migration, it's Americans that are getting displaced from their own communities.
00:14:55.000It's Americans of all stripes, of all colors, of all backgrounds, all economic levels.
00:14:59.000And there's not a drop of sympathy from the left.
00:15:04.000Yeah, it's just, well, so hopefully this is paving the way.
00:15:06.000I think what they might be setting up, it'd be very interesting if the U.S., for example, gave asylum to people who basically are persecuted for free speech reasons for saying, I don't want my country to become an Islamist hellhole.
00:15:19.000It'd be interesting if we were, because you could also set up to say, oh, well, the U.S., we have these mechanisms for caring about human rights abroad.
00:15:26.000So we're going to sanction a judge who issues something that indicates a two-tier justice ruling in the UK or in Germany.
00:15:32.000There's a lot of interesting things we could do to just start throwing our weight around a bit and saying, actually, it does matter a lot that all of our supposed NATO allies, our closest allies, are becoming places where they're replacing their own populations.
00:15:46.000They're making it illegal to complain about it.
00:15:48.000They're treating white people as inherent oppressors who should be punished more severely by the judicial system.
00:15:54.000They're not enforcing the law against migrants.
00:15:56.000They're letting Sharia courts take over their biggest cities.
00:16:00.000We see a form of this in the United States, too, where criminals, if you happen to be of a quote-unquote marginalized class, are allowed to terrorize communities with impunity.
00:16:10.000You saw this in Chicago this week, where maybe get me the facts on this case, but basically this gentleman had been arrested, what, like 40 priors, and then he sets a woman on fire on endless.
00:18:18.000So you, Charlie used to talk about the difference between a paperwork American versus a real American.
00:18:24.000And we were still sort of working on our working definition of what it was.
00:18:28.000I don't think we had settled the story yet or settled the debate internally, but we definitely knew that paperwork alone did not make one an American, at least in an important sense of where their loyalties are, where their values are at, even where their language is at.
00:18:42.000Yes, there is a piece of paperwork that will infer your legal right to be here, to vote in our elections, that sort of thing.
00:18:51.000For our audience, Josh, define what the difference between the paperwork and a true American truly is.
00:19:00.000I'm not sure that I have an elevator-pitched kind of 10-second answer to that question, but I will do the best I can.
00:19:06.000Let me take a step back and say that this whole debate kind of reminds me of this piece that I read from a University of Virginia political science professor named James Caesar many, many years ago.
00:19:16.000He was talking about, because, you know, Andrew, as you know from my previous appearances here, I'm also a lawyer, so I think a lot about separation of powers, the Constitution.
00:19:23.000And Professor Caesar has this notion where he contrasts a literal violation of the separation of powers in a black letter, Article 1, Article 2, Article 3 of the Constitution sense, versus kind of a more political violation of the separation of powers.
00:19:39.000So his point was that you could, even if you're not technically violating the separation of powers under the Supreme Court precedence or whatnot there, you could spiritually violate the overarching tenor of our separation of powers that is ultimately our number one safeguard for liberty in this country.
00:19:55.000So that's kind of the analogy that I take to this what is an American question, which I wrote about today and was really kind of prompted by Zor Mamdani coming to visit Donald Trump.
00:20:05.000All these folks who are in Dearborn, Michigan, who are chanting Al Hu Akbar, death to America.
00:20:10.000Is this what it means to be an American, right?
00:20:12.000I mean, all sorts of just crazy, crazy stuff.
00:20:14.000And the most recent allegations of the fraud in Minnesota when it comes to the Minnesota taxpayers being the number one subsidizer of al-Shabaab, the formerly al-Qaeda offshoot, now independent Sunni Islamic terrorist organization in Somalia.
00:20:27.000All this stuff, I think, really raises this question that indeed Charlie was thinking a lot, a lot about in those final months.
00:20:34.000So the paperweight definition of being a citizen, that you are born or nationalized into citizenship, is necessary, but it is hardly sufficient.
00:20:42.000It is not sufficient, I think, to be an American in the sense of the term that we should think of being an American.
00:20:47.000An American is someone who is acculturated into the inherited historical traditions, folkways, and general just ways of life of this country.
00:20:56.000And this country, ever since its founding days, Andrew, has been really shaped by its majority Protestant culture.
00:21:03.000You hear a lot about the Protestant work ethic, things like that there.
00:21:07.000And, you know, I think about my own ancestors, right?
00:21:09.000My own ancestors, Jews from Eastern Europe who came during the Ellis Island immigration wave, late 19th century, early 20th century, for them, it was fairly obvious that you don't just have to become a citizen.
00:21:19.000You don't just have to learn the language.
00:21:20.000You don't just have to pay your taxes, do all that there.
00:21:23.000But you really do have to become deeply involved in the folk ways and the general way of life of the country there.
00:21:29.000There's something thicker, we might say.
00:21:31.000There's something morally and historically thicker than just paying your taxes and speaking the language.
00:21:36.000By the way, a lot of these folks are not doing that.
00:21:37.000They're not even paying their taxes, speaking the language.
00:21:39.000But I think for previous generations of migrants, they understood that even that is enough.
00:21:43.000That you have to really kind of become a full participant in what John Jay in the Federalist No. 2, one of the first essays of the Federalist Papers, famously starts writing about, about how Americans were descended from a common stock and they had similar mannerisms and a similar religion there.
00:21:59.000And I'm not saying that everyone has to be a Protestant.
00:22:02.000I'm Jewish, of course, but whether you're Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, or in theory, potentially, if you're of a different religion there, you really do have to publicly acculturate yourself and publicly assimilate into the Protestant majority inherited culture that goes back hundreds of years well before the American founding, frankly, into British culture.
00:22:21.000So that's kind of how I think about it, Andrew.
00:22:23.000When I see things like Michigan, what I definitely do not see is acculturated Americanism.
00:22:29.000But look, me personally, I can be an observant Jew in my private life, which I am.
00:22:37.000But I am a very fully public-facing American because I fully participate in this country's civic institutions.
00:22:43.000I am engaged in the act of trying to preserve and conserve our inherited traditions from one generation to the next.
00:22:48.000And I am deeply thankful, indeed grateful for this country's long-standing Protestant traditions, which really no one better, I think, embodied than our friend Charlie Kirk.
00:24:07.000That's really what they were talking about.
00:24:09.000They weren't even sure if the Catholic partnership.
00:24:11.000Yeah, I mean, we had Maryland, you know, but not by then.
00:24:15.000Okay, yeah, but the point is that really that's what they were thinking about.
00:24:19.000They were thinking about different faith traditions, denominations within the Protestant patchwork, if you will, coming from, you know, Mother England.
00:24:28.000And I do think that, you know, Charlie said this very clearly.
00:24:32.000He said, Islam is not compatible with the West.
00:24:35.000Islam is not compatible with the West.
00:25:11.000Yeah, so let me just briefly, before answering that question, Andrew, echo your point, which is that the American founding was really going, was supposed to be a patchwork essentially of different Protestant sects.
00:25:20.000In fact, the original meaning of the establishment clause of the First Amendment, Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, does not mean quote-unquote separation of church and state.
00:25:29.000Rather, it was actually just a federalism provision.
00:25:31.000Congress shall make no law because the states can make laws.
00:25:35.000In fact, they literally did that for decades and decades after the founding.
00:25:38.000For instance, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts had the established church of congregationalism until the 1830s.
00:26:06.000Historians typically say on behalf of his Jewish friends and colleagues there, some people debate that, but there was definitely an element there of trying to look out for the Jews and Catholics.
00:26:14.000So they were definitely there, but it really was this Protestant patchwork.
00:26:50.000I mean, it seems pretty obvious, frankly, that it is not.
00:26:53.000Islam has been a war with Christianity and obviously Judaism in more modern times, but really historically at war with Christianity essentially since Islam was founded.
00:27:02.000So, I mean, the historical record, whether it's the siege of Vienna in the 17th century, whether it's the First and Second Barbary Wars under the Jefferson and Madison presidency, there is a long historical track record evincing that Islam is not broadly compatible with Western civilization.
00:27:17.000That is not that that blanket categorical statement is not to say that there are not individual dispensations.
00:27:23.000That's not to say that each and every individual Muslim cannot be a good American.
00:27:28.000So Abe Hamadai right there in Arizona, Judy Jasser, also in Arizona, any number of other individuals I can think of.
00:27:35.000There are any number of patriotic, great American citizen Muslims, but at a categorical scale, at a categorical scale, no, I do not think Islam is compatible with Western civilization or, frankly, with Safi American.
00:30:07.000The best way I can answer it, it is someone that has demonstrated through objective measurements and markers that this is home, that you have more than respect or reverence, that you're willing to die, that you are all in, that this is a place that you're willing to bleed for and sacrifice for.
00:30:23.000This is not a dumping ground for the third world.
00:31:04.000Yeah, just what's funny is at this point, it's almost that clip we just played doesn't go far enough because it's not even the left thinks you're American if you live here.
00:31:11.000The left actually has pretty much inverted it, where you're only an American if you are not from here.
00:31:18.000If you're actually from America, you're somehow not a real American.
00:31:22.000You don't hold the right views on this or that thing.
00:31:24.000The superior American is always the American who hasn't been found yet.
00:31:28.000We need to have spent hundreds of billions of dollars to go and find all the Americans scattered throughout the entire world and bring them here to give them wealth.
00:31:36.000I mean, Democrats and their socialists and communist coalition partners, I mean, they essentially want an America where borders are open, drugs pour in from abroad, crime is allowed because, you know, racism.
00:31:49.000Foreigners rule over native-born citizens.
00:31:51.000White people are taxed into subjugation.
00:31:54.000Men are compliant, quiet, and castrated.
00:31:56.000Little girls share bathrooms with perverted men.
00:31:59.000Christianity is outlawed while Muslim call to prayer rings out in the streets.
00:32:04.000And, you know, the military can coup a sitting president if they think that he's doing something that they don't like.
00:32:10.000Josh, I want to flip the conversation a little bit to that direction.
00:32:13.000You're a lawyer, and there's a lot of argument about this video that the seditious six, as they're calling them now, have put out basically saying, hey, you shouldn't obey the president.
00:32:24.000President comes out and says, hey, guess what?
00:32:27.000The penalty for sedition, seditious conspiracy, is death.
00:32:40.000Well, sedition, Andrew, would be a plot to overthrow the regime, a plot to overthrow the American government, potentially to assassinate the president, to try to do what you can illegally to essentially destroy the very existence of the House of Representatives, absent a constitutional amendment.
00:33:02.000These would be possible grounds for sedition.
00:33:13.000I mean, the reason I'm hesitating, Andrew, is because when you have elected officials like this, it seems to me like there is potentially another remedy in place rather than trying to prosecute on grounds of sedition, which is that you could also just try to expel these members of Congress.
00:33:27.000You could try to expel Senator Kelly, Senator Slotkin, people like that there.
00:33:30.000That is something that that's one possible remedy.
00:33:32.000You know, as a lawyer, I think not just about the possible crime, but about remedies as well.
00:33:37.000So one remedy could just be expelling.
00:33:38.000There's also, of course, the remedy of the ballot box.
00:33:41.000Look, I definitely would not be upset.
00:33:42.000I mean, if the DOJ really decides to pursue this thing and actually decides to say that this is a literal seditious conspiracy, it's a total cell phone in the politics, by the way.
00:34:16.000But I think what President Trump was rightfully doing, I'll be honest, like the first time I saw it, I thought, I was like, okay, you guys are trying to be cute with illegal orders.
00:35:17.000They're still talking about Trump as a Hitler-right, tyrannical figure.
00:35:20.000They're still talking about the American government as a bunch of Nazis.
00:35:23.000They're still talking about playing fast and loose with sedition.
00:35:26.000All the while they're flooding this country with people who hate America, who are not really Americans in a thicker, meaningful sense of the term.
00:35:32.000It's all just totally dystopian and is yet another reminder that we have to do everything we can possibly do to keep these wretched Harrodins out of power in these United States.