The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie's Warning on Islam in His Final Days

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 Andrew Colvett here, executive producer to this fine show.

00:01:15.000 Joined by Mikey McCoy, sir, in the studio.

00:01:18.000 Blake Neff, also in the studio.

00:01:20.000 We are talking about the creeping Islamization of the West or Islamification. 0.98

00:01:25.000 It's debatable, which Islamization islamization.

00:01:29.000 Islamization.

00:01:29.000 Islamization of the West.

00:01:31.000 And it's key today because we have, of course, Zoram Mamdani, arguably the most powerful Muslim in America, meeting President Trump at the White House today.

00:01:43.000 Apparently, he reached out.

00:01:44.000 Trump accepted the invitation and they are meeting at the White House today.

00:01:48.000 Also, we have, you know, lots of other news to get to, including a fake WAPO story.

00:01:56.000 The State Department is coming out swinging.

00:01:58.000 There's a lot to get to.

00:02:00.000 But let's start here with Mamdani.

00:02:02.000 Is this significant or is it not significant, Blake, that we have a Muslim communist socialist, whatever you want to call him, visiting the White House?

00:02:10.000 I mean, we've mentioned the Islamic thing, but mostly with Mamdani.

00:02:14.000 Mamdani's clearly not a devout Muslim in any meaningful way.

00:02:17.000 He like just identifies with Islam to say, I'm not American. 0.56

00:02:21.000 I'm not Western.

00:02:22.000 I follow this alien faith that is historically anti-West, anti-Western civilization, which I condemn all the time and want to rip down.

00:02:29.000 That's the only way he's Muslim in a meaningful sense. 1.00

00:02:32.000 Now, if you want to see real Islamic government, go to the UK, where you straight up have, you know, Allahu Akbar guys who are running for office where Gaza is their number one issue. 0.98

00:02:43.000 You know, it's really bad.

00:02:44.000 You go walk around Birmingham, where the Industrial Revolution began.

00:02:47.000 That was the Silicon Valley of the 19th century.

00:02:50.000 And it's now tons of radical mosques, imams who say we need Sharia, people just milling about.

00:02:57.000 It basically looks like it's Baghdad.

00:02:58.000 Well, I do think this is still a step in that direction, though, even if he isn't as radical as some of these al-Aqba.

00:03:04.000 Oh, for sure, for sure.

00:03:06.000 But yeah, Blake, you're right.

00:03:07.000 There's actually someone literally ran in Manchester under the party umbrella of Palestine.

00:03:12.000 Yeah.

00:03:12.000 Like not labor, not conservative, just Palestine, and they actually won.

00:03:16.000 Yeah.

00:03:17.000 And so that's kind of the representation of this Islam mindset that you get.

00:03:22.000 But it's also interesting that Mamdani's going to meet with Trump when I think he said, do we have that clip where he says that his administration is going to be the worst nightmare for Trump?

00:03:33.000 They might.

00:03:33.000 And then as soon as he gets elected, he's going to be.

00:03:35.000 Well, it'll be really interesting to hear how it goes because you can think of a few ways.

00:03:39.000 One, Trump is a very proud New Yorker.

00:03:42.000 He clearly has a ton of fondness for the city.

00:03:44.000 So I can frankly see if the mayor makes noises about wanting to play ball with him, I feel like Trump could be won over surprisingly easily.

00:03:54.000 But it could also be that Mayor Mamdani sees this as an opportunity to do a big stunt.

00:03:59.000 He can get a story about how he had a throwdown argument with Trump in the Oval Office or wherever they're meeting and get a lot of attention that way.

00:04:07.000 I feel either person could be going into that meeting with an agenda.

00:04:11.000 Maybe both of them are.

00:04:12.000 And we'll find out what that agenda is.

00:04:13.000 Well, let's say 380 clip.

00:04:15.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:04:15.000 380 as Zoron changes his tune on Trump.

00:04:18.000 Play it.

00:04:22.000 My administration would be Donald Trump's worst nightmare.

00:04:26.000 I have many disagreements with the president, and I believe that we should be relentless and pursue all avenues and all meetings that could make our city affordable for every single New Yorker.

00:04:39.000 I intend to make it clear to President Trump that I will work with him on any agenda that benefits New Yorkers.

00:04:48.000 It's always fun to watch people change their politics.

00:04:50.000 It's great.

00:04:51.000 But by the way, this is, you know, again, I can't stop thinking about Helen Andrews' interview, which, again, I encourage everybody to go check it out.

00:04:59.000 The great feminization. 0.93

00:05:00.000 But this is typical, like, dude behavior.

00:05:03.000 Guys tend to like, they saber rattle, they say big things, and then they're like, hey, let's hang out.

00:05:09.000 Let's hear President Trump 392 talking about the tone that he expects within the White House meeting today.

00:05:16.000 Well, I was hitting him a little hard too, in all fairness.

00:05:19.000 I don't know exactly what he means by turning the volume up because turning the volume up, he has to be careful when he says that to me.

00:05:25.000 I mean, he was very nice in calling, as you know, and we're going to have a meeting.

00:05:29.000 I guess we meet at three o'clock today.

00:05:32.000 And I think it's going to be quite civil.

00:05:33.000 We'll find out.

00:05:34.000 This is very Trumpian.

00:05:36.000 Super Trumpian.

00:05:37.000 Yeah, this is Super Trump.

00:05:39.000 Yeah, it's like Super Tramp.

00:05:41.000 Oh, you're too young to know what that is.

00:05:44.000 But if it is interesting, because, you know, Mamdani, we've said this, we've conceded this point that he's a talented politician in the sense that even his acceptance speech where he was like, turn the volume up, President Trump.

00:05:57.000 A lot of sociopaths are good at politics.

00:05:58.000 Yeah, well, no, exactly.

00:06:00.000 And so, you know, he's smiling his way.

00:06:01.000 But this is great.

00:06:03.000 Is that when he gets challenged on things, he ends up really revealing that there's not a whole lot there?

00:06:10.000 The Emperor has no clothes.

00:06:11.000 378.

00:06:13.000 How are you getting that money, the $700 million to make the buses free, into the MCA if she's not for raising taxes? 0.55

00:06:19.000 You know, I think that the two clearest ways to raise that money is through the raising of the state's corporate tax to match.

00:06:25.000 She said New Jersey.

00:06:26.000 I think that a lot of this is still a case to be made.

00:06:28.000 Whether it's the corporate tax, whether it's the personal income tax on those who make more than a million dollars a year or more, I think that these are the clearest ways.

00:06:35.000 I've also said that if there are other ways to raise this funding, the most important fact is that we fund it.

00:06:40.000 Not the question of how we do it, but that we do it.

00:06:43.000 So we don't have the money.

00:06:44.000 The thing that I said we were going to do to fund the free buses and the free stuff socialism, the free stuff populism, we can't do it, but it's fine.

00:06:54.000 We're going to figure it out.

00:06:56.000 That's fair enough.

00:06:57.000 We'll see.

00:06:58.000 But that's actually, I think that's okay.

00:07:01.000 Like, we shouldn't be too scared because, like, look, I just think to the Biden administration, literally as soon as he got elected, Turning Point got an audit immediately.

00:07:11.000 And like, they went straight after the J Sixers.

00:07:14.000 They went straight after, and they were following up on all these.

00:07:17.000 They went after Tyler above and beyond.

00:07:18.000 They went after Tyler.

00:07:19.000 They went after our team.

00:07:21.000 And so they spied on us.

00:07:23.000 They spied on us.

00:07:24.000 Turning point was involved unknowingly in Arctic Frost, which means they were spying on this organization.

00:07:31.000 Our own government spied on Turning Point.

00:07:33.000 Yeah, so I'll just say I'll take this version of Mom Tani.

00:07:36.000 There's a lot of saber-rattling.

00:07:37.000 But on top of that, I just, it shows how unserious of a person he is in a very serious city in the United States of America, where it's just a lot of noise, but not a lot of substance.

00:07:49.000 But here's the thing.

00:07:50.000 I really believe that if there was not a President Trump in the White House, if we did not have control of Congress, both the House and the Senate, that these people would be unleashed to become their worst versions of themselves, and the tyranny would spread rapidly.

00:08:05.000 So what you're seeing is you're seeing the rumblings of a beginning and that will take full bloom if allowed.

00:08:14.000 And I think that's why we talked about why Dearborn is important.

00:08:17.000 What happened yesterday is it's a precursor of this sectarian civil strife that eventually will and could erupt into actual violence in the streets between Christians and Muslims if this is allowed to fester.

00:08:33.000 And my case in point historically is Lebanon.

00:08:37.000 Lebanon used to be basically 100% Christian.

00:08:40.000 It was controlled by the French.

00:08:41.000 Blake, you're going to know the history better than I.

00:08:44.000 But then they sort of cast off their colonial powers and now Lebanon is 15 to 30%. 0.86

00:08:51.000 Lebanon was created to be the Christian country in the Middle East.

00:08:55.000 It is no longer a Christian country.

00:08:58.000 We don't know the percentage because it's too politically loaded what their demographics are.

00:09:02.000 So nobody ever can conduct a census.

00:09:05.000 Estimated at about 30% Christian.

00:09:07.000 That's why they always will say that.

00:09:08.000 It's probably lower, to be honest.

00:09:09.000 That's way lower.

00:09:10.000 Because the Christians are wealthier and they got out of Dodge because there was a civil war. 0.99

00:09:14.000 Shocker, because when your country becomes more Islamic, it becomes a violent dump. 1.00

00:09:19.000 Well, and that's essentially what we all have to sort of brace for and why we are warning about the Islamization. 0.99

00:09:26.000 It's really remarkable.

00:09:28.000 I can riff here, but like we just had Saudi Arabia visit DC and everything that's going on in the Gulf states is they are rapidly becoming less Islamist by offloading all of their radicals into the West. 0.61

00:09:40.000 It's really glaring.

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00:11:11.000 All right, Blake Neft, walk us through this State Department tweet because it is in a word-based.

00:11:17.000 No, no, that's just so it's just a thread.

00:11:17.000 Yeah, all right.

00:11:19.000 I'll just read the whole thing.

00:11:20.000 Yeah.

00:11:21.000 State 39.

00:11:22.000 Mass migration poses an existential threat to Western civilization and undermines the stability of key American allies. 1.00

00:11:29.000 Today, the State Department instructed U.S. embassies to report on the human rights implications and public safety impacts of mass migration.

00:11:37.000 Mass migration is a human rights concern.

00:11:40.000 Western nations have endured crime waves, terror attacks, sexual assaults, and displacement of communities.

00:11:46.000 U.S. officials will urge governments to take bold action and defend citizens against the threats posed by mass migration.

00:11:52.000 Officials will, I'm just going to skip ahead to one, they cite some examples.

00:11:56.000 In the United Kingdom, thousands of girls have been victimized in Rotherham, Oxford, and Newcastle by grooming gangs involving migrant men.

00:12:03.000 Many girls were left to suffer unspeakable abuse for years before authorities stepped in. 0.94

00:12:08.000 In Sweden, an Eritrean migrant convicted of raping a 16-year-old girl was allowed to remain in the country after a judge ruled that the incident was not a, quote, exceptionally exceptionally serious crime and did not warrant deportation.

00:12:22.000 In Germany, nine men, several of them migrants, were convicted for the gang rape of a 15-year-old.

00:12:28.000 A German woman who insulted one of the rapists online was given a harsher sentence than the perpetrators themselves.

00:12:36.000 U.S. officials will now scrutinize policies in Western nations that give leniency to migrant crime and human rights abuses or that create two-tiered systems that prioritize migrants at the expense of their own citizens.

00:12:52.000 The U.S. supports the sovereignty of our allies and calls on governments to engage with the growing number of citizens concerned about mass migration.

00:13:00.000 We stand ready to assist our allies in solving the global crisis of migration.

00:13:05.000 Wow.

00:13:05.000 Yes.

00:13:07.000 I am pretty sure.

00:13:08.000 I haven't confirmed.

00:13:08.000 I'm pretty sure our friend Sarah Rogers was involved in making that policy, but she hasn't confirmed.

00:13:14.000 We cannot confirm north.

00:13:15.000 I know this is close to her heart as it is close to mine.

00:13:17.000 It just sounds like something she and Charlie talked about.

00:13:20.000 We should find that meme, the light switch meme, because it really is.

00:13:24.000 If you want to know what it is and listen, I'm not scapegoating.

00:13:27.000 There are good immigrants.

00:13:28.000 I get it.

00:13:29.000 And some of them are very patriotic and we're lucky to have them.

00:13:33.000 However, a policy of mass migration, one of the things that really bothers me is this, what it's mentioned in this tweet about the displacement of communities.

00:13:42.000 I was just on a phone call with a friend last night who lives in Dallas.

00:13:46.000 And he said that his parents live in a neighborhood next to him.

00:13:49.000 And it used to be this neighborhood with Halloween trick-or-treating that all the kids would go out and Christmas lights and they would have block parties.

00:13:56.000 And now he said it's basically all Indians, that all the former residents of that neighborhood have been displaced, moved out.

00:14:04.000 The way that they interact with their neighbors is really uncomfortable.

00:14:09.000 There's a lot of glaring that goes on with the women. 1.00

00:14:11.000 I'm not saying that it's all of them, but this is a report from a friend that's saying, and by the way, you go to the malls there, and it's basically all Indians.

00:14:19.000 Now, this is a neighborhood in Dallas, Texas, Red, Texas.

00:14:22.000 And most of that is coming from H-1Bs. 1.00

00:14:24.000 It's come from legal immigration.

00:14:26.000 It's coming from family reunification policies.

00:14:30.000 And that displacement used to be a liberal value that they would bemoan in long thought pieces in the Atlantic and the New Yorker when it would come to inner city gentrification during the early 2000s.

00:14:42.000 They would talk about the displacement in San Francisco, in Brooklyn, and these types of places.

00:14:46.000 And they would write sympathetically about those communities that get displaced.

00:14:50.000 Well, now with mass migration, it's Americans that are getting displaced from their own communities.

00:14:55.000 It's Americans of all stripes, of all colors, of all backgrounds, all economic levels.

00:14:59.000 And there's not a drop of sympathy from the left.

00:15:02.000 That's so well said.

00:15:04.000 Yeah, it's just, well, so hopefully this is paving the way.

00:15:06.000 I think what they might be setting up, it'd be very interesting if the U.S., for example, gave asylum to people who basically are persecuted for free speech reasons for saying, I don't want my country to become an Islamist hellhole. 0.99

00:15:18.000 But you could do other stuff.

00:15:19.000 It'd be interesting if we were, because you could also set up to say, oh, well, the U.S., we have these mechanisms for caring about human rights abroad.

00:15:26.000 So we're going to sanction a judge who issues something that indicates a two-tier justice ruling in the UK or in Germany.

00:15:32.000 There's a lot of interesting things we could do to just start throwing our weight around a bit and saying, actually, it does matter a lot that all of our supposed NATO allies, our closest allies, are becoming places where they're replacing their own populations.

00:15:46.000 They're making it illegal to complain about it.

00:15:48.000 They're treating white people as inherent oppressors who should be punished more severely by the judicial system.

00:15:54.000 They're not enforcing the law against migrants. 0.95

00:15:56.000 They're letting Sharia courts take over their biggest cities. 0.99

00:16:00.000 We see a form of this in the United States, too, where criminals, if you happen to be of a quote-unquote marginalized class, are allowed to terrorize communities with impunity.

00:16:10.000 You saw this in Chicago this week, where maybe get me the facts on this case, but basically this gentleman had been arrested, what, like 40 priors, and then he sets a woman on fire on endless.

00:16:21.000 Yeah, and it really is.

00:16:23.000 Throw it up now.

00:16:24.000 I think it's the new, whatever it is, the fix everything switch.

00:16:27.000 It is so, so many of these things are so basically fixable.

00:16:30.000 It's enforce the law in cities and it's stop importing 18 billion people. 1.00

00:16:37.000 It's the fix everything easily switch.

00:16:40.000 And everyone's like, no, we've never pressed that switch before.

00:16:43.000 It can't be that simple, but it is.

00:16:46.000 Here's my thing.

00:16:46.000 It's great that the State Department is doing this.

00:16:48.000 It's unfortunate that we still have mass migration to the United States. 0.99

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00:17:56.000 All right, joining us now is Josh Hammer, senior editor-at-large, Newsweek, host of the Josh Hammer Show.

00:18:02.000 And he has a new piece out this morning that is fascinating and near and dear to Charlie's heart.

00:18:07.000 And that is a question that he spent a lot of time thinking about and talking about in his final days.

00:18:11.000 What is an American?

00:18:12.000 Josh Hammer, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:18:15.000 Andrew, it's great to see you, my friend.

00:18:16.000 Yeah, you too as well.

00:18:18.000 So you, Charlie used to talk about the difference between a paperwork American versus a real American.

00:18:24.000 And we were still sort of working on our working definition of what it was.

00:18:28.000 I don't think we had settled the story yet or settled the debate internally, but we definitely knew that paperwork alone did not make one an American, at least in an important sense of where their loyalties are, where their values are at, even where their language is at.

00:18:42.000 Yes, there is a piece of paperwork that will infer your legal right to be here, to vote in our elections, that sort of thing.

00:18:51.000 For our audience, Josh, define what the difference between the paperwork and a true American truly is.

00:18:58.000 Well, Andrew, I'll do the best I can.

00:19:00.000 I'm not sure that I have an elevator-pitched kind of 10-second answer to that question, but I will do the best I can.

00:19:06.000 Let me take a step back and say that this whole debate kind of reminds me of this piece that I read from a University of Virginia political science professor named James Caesar many, many years ago.

00:19:16.000 He was talking about, because, you know, Andrew, as you know from my previous appearances here, I'm also a lawyer, so I think a lot about separation of powers, the Constitution.

00:19:23.000 And Professor Caesar has this notion where he contrasts a literal violation of the separation of powers in a black letter, Article 1, Article 2, Article 3 of the Constitution sense, versus kind of a more political violation of the separation of powers.

00:19:39.000 So his point was that you could, even if you're not technically violating the separation of powers under the Supreme Court precedence or whatnot there, you could spiritually violate the overarching tenor of our separation of powers that is ultimately our number one safeguard for liberty in this country.

00:19:55.000 So that's kind of the analogy that I take to this what is an American question, which I wrote about today and was really kind of prompted by Zor Mamdani coming to visit Donald Trump.

00:20:04.000 Is he an American?

00:20:05.000 All these folks who are in Dearborn, Michigan, who are chanting Al Hu Akbar, death to America.

00:20:10.000 Is this what it means to be an American, right?

00:20:12.000 I mean, all sorts of just crazy, crazy stuff.

00:20:14.000 And the most recent allegations of the fraud in Minnesota when it comes to the Minnesota taxpayers being the number one subsidizer of al-Shabaab, the formerly al-Qaeda offshoot, now independent Sunni Islamic terrorist organization in Somalia.

00:20:27.000 All this stuff, I think, really raises this question that indeed Charlie was thinking a lot, a lot about in those final months.

00:20:33.000 It raises it to the forefront.

00:20:34.000 So the paperweight definition of being a citizen, that you are born or nationalized into citizenship, is necessary, but it is hardly sufficient.

00:20:42.000 It is not sufficient, I think, to be an American in the sense of the term that we should think of being an American.

00:20:47.000 An American is someone who is acculturated into the inherited historical traditions, folkways, and general just ways of life of this country.

00:20:56.000 And this country, ever since its founding days, Andrew, has been really shaped by its majority Protestant culture.

00:21:03.000 You hear a lot about the Protestant work ethic, things like that there.

00:21:07.000 And, you know, I think about my own ancestors, right?

00:21:09.000 My own ancestors, Jews from Eastern Europe who came during the Ellis Island immigration wave, late 19th century, early 20th century, for them, it was fairly obvious that you don't just have to become a citizen.

00:21:19.000 You don't just have to learn the language.

00:21:20.000 You don't just have to pay your taxes, do all that there.

00:21:23.000 But you really do have to become deeply involved in the folk ways and the general way of life of the country there.

00:21:29.000 There's something thicker, we might say.

00:21:31.000 There's something morally and historically thicker than just paying your taxes and speaking the language.

00:21:36.000 By the way, a lot of these folks are not doing that.

00:21:37.000 They're not even paying their taxes, speaking the language.

00:21:39.000 But I think for previous generations of migrants, they understood that even that is enough. 0.97

00:21:43.000 That you have to really kind of become a full participant in what John Jay in the Federalist No. 2, one of the first essays of the Federalist Papers, famously starts writing about, about how Americans were descended from a common stock and they had similar mannerisms and a similar religion there.

00:21:59.000 And I'm not saying that everyone has to be a Protestant.

00:22:02.000 I'm Jewish, of course, but whether you're Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, or in theory, potentially, if you're of a different religion there, you really do have to publicly acculturate yourself and publicly assimilate into the Protestant majority inherited culture that goes back hundreds of years well before the American founding, frankly, into British culture.

00:22:21.000 So that's kind of how I think about it, Andrew.

00:22:23.000 When I see things like Michigan, what I definitely do not see is acculturated Americanism.

00:22:29.000 But look, me personally, I can be an observant Jew in my private life, which I am.

00:22:34.000 And praise be to God for that.

00:22:35.000 I'm very happy with that.

00:22:37.000 But I am a very fully public-facing American because I fully participate in this country's civic institutions.

00:22:43.000 I am engaged in the act of trying to preserve and conserve our inherited traditions from one generation to the next.

00:22:48.000 And I am deeply thankful, indeed grateful for this country's long-standing Protestant traditions, which really no one better, I think, embodied than our friend Charlie Kirk.

00:23:00.000 We argued with Charlie.

00:23:01.000 I remember we had one of our later thought crimes.

00:23:03.000 We had that discussion.

00:23:05.000 It's like, are you basically more American if you are Protestant?

00:23:09.000 And obviously, I'm Catholic.

00:23:10.000 Jack was Catholic.

00:23:11.000 But we had that dispute because I was like, America really is.

00:23:14.000 It is a Protestant country.

00:23:16.000 That is what its founding is, that fractiousness, that hostility to a certain level of authority.

00:23:21.000 So even American Catholics are actually a bit Protestant because they're always arguing with the Pope and finding him annoying.

00:23:27.000 The most Protestant Catholics in the world are American Catholics.

00:23:29.000 Yeah, it's very funny.

00:23:31.000 And of course, you see that with American Jews as well.

00:23:35.000 They adopted a lot of that.

00:23:36.000 And it's something I think about with the Islamization thing. 0.93

00:23:39.000 Obviously, in America, we have the First Amendment, we have freedom of religion.

00:23:43.000 But I've often had that thought.

00:23:45.000 Can even the freedom of American Muslims to practice their religion really survive if America becomes too much of an Islamic country? 1.00

00:23:54.000 I feel it will lose too much of that historical heritage.

00:23:57.000 The historical heritage is, and really the founders of the country were talking about freedom of religion.

00:24:03.000 You know, you could be a Quaker. 0.87

00:24:05.000 You can be an Anglican.

00:24:06.000 You can be...

00:24:07.000 That's really what they were talking about.

00:24:09.000 They weren't even sure if the Catholic partnership.

00:24:11.000 Yeah, I mean, we had Maryland, you know, but not by then.

00:24:15.000 Okay, yeah, but the point is that really that's what they were thinking about.

00:24:19.000 They were thinking about different faith traditions, denominations within the Protestant patchwork, if you will, coming from, you know, Mother England.

00:24:28.000 And I do think that, you know, Charlie said this very clearly.

00:24:32.000 He said, Islam is not compatible with the West.

00:24:35.000 Islam is not compatible with the West. 1.00

00:24:37.000 So what do we do, Josh?

00:24:38.000 I mean, you say it really well here.

00:24:40.000 You say, you kind of reflect on Dearborn, and you say, the United States was never a blank slate society.

00:24:48.000 Like any nation, it has a distinct inheritance.

00:24:50.000 And you say this is the challenge of Dearborn.

00:24:54.000 It is too many distinct cultural communities now reject this framework.

00:24:57.000 So what do we do?

00:24:58.000 Because a lot of these people, we can't denaturalize some of these.

00:25:02.000 We can't strip them of their citizenship.

00:25:04.000 We're still dealing with birthright citizenship, which I think is completely farcical. 0.89

00:25:10.000 What do we do?

00:25:11.000 Yeah, so let me just briefly, before answering that question, Andrew, echo your point, which is that the American founding was really going, was supposed to be a patchwork essentially of different Protestant sects.

00:25:20.000 In fact, the original meaning of the establishment clause of the First Amendment, Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, does not mean quote-unquote separation of church and state.

00:25:29.000 Rather, it was actually just a federalism provision.

00:25:31.000 Congress shall make no law because the states can make laws.

00:25:35.000 In fact, they literally did that for decades and decades after the founding.

00:25:38.000 For instance, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts had the established church of congregationalism until the 1830s.

00:25:44.000 There's many other examples there.

00:25:45.000 So your point is actually, is it very well taken?

00:25:47.000 There also were Jews and Catholics who were there at the time of the founding.

00:25:51.000 It was definitely heavily Protestant, but Jews and Catholics were very much there.

00:25:54.000 For instance, the no religious test clause in the Constitution where there will be no test for office, no oath of a certain religion.

00:26:02.000 And that was Alexander Hamilton's work.

00:26:04.000 He put that in there.

00:26:06.000 Historians typically say on behalf of his Jewish friends and colleagues there, some people debate that, but there was definitely an element there of trying to look out for the Jews and Catholics.

00:26:14.000 So they were definitely there, but it really was this Protestant patchwork. 0.84

00:26:17.000 So your point is very well taken.

00:26:18.000 Look, Charlie is essentially, or he was essentially correct that Islam is not compatible with Western civilization. 1.00

00:26:25.000 I define Western civilization, Andrew.

00:26:27.000 I define it as the ecumenical biblical inheritance.

00:26:30.000 Now, there is a role, certainly, for Greco-Roman reason.

00:26:33.000 There is a big role, frankly, for Greco-Roman reason.

00:26:36.000 But we talk about what the West is at its core.

00:26:38.000 It is the outgrowth of the Bible.

00:26:40.000 It is the outgrowth of the two biblical religions of Judaism and Christianity.

00:26:43.000 That is how I define the West, and that is how I conceive it.

00:26:46.000 So is Islam compatible with that? 0.97

00:26:48.000 Well, at a theoretical level, no.

00:26:50.000 I mean, it seems pretty obvious, frankly, that it is not.

00:26:53.000 Islam has been a war with Christianity and obviously Judaism in more modern times, but really historically at war with Christianity essentially since Islam was founded.

00:27:02.000 So, I mean, the historical record, whether it's the siege of Vienna in the 17th century, whether it's the First and Second Barbary Wars under the Jefferson and Madison presidency, there is a long historical track record evincing that Islam is not broadly compatible with Western civilization.

00:27:15.000 Here's what I will say.

00:27:16.000 Here's the caveat to that.

00:27:17.000 That is not that that blanket categorical statement is not to say that there are not individual dispensations.

00:27:23.000 That's not to say that each and every individual Muslim cannot be a good American.

00:27:28.000 So Abe Hamadai right there in Arizona, Judy Jasser, also in Arizona, any number of other individuals I can think of.

00:27:35.000 There are any number of patriotic, great American citizen Muslims, but at a categorical scale, at a categorical scale, no, I do not think Islam is compatible with Western civilization or, frankly, with Safi American. 1.00

00:27:47.000 So what do we do?

00:27:49.000 Do we stop mass immigration from Islamic countries? 0.95

00:27:53.000 So it's not like mass immigration, I think, is the lowest hanging fruit.

00:27:56.000 We should obviously do that.

00:27:57.000 Personally, Andrew, I actually subscribe to a short-term, full-scale immigration moratorium, period, full-stop end of story. 0.95

00:28:02.000 But definitely a moratorium when it comes to every Muslim majority.

00:28:05.000 I want a 10-year moratorium.

00:28:07.000 That's what I want to push.

00:28:08.000 There just doesn't seem to be an appetite for that yet in Washington, to even address the legal question.

00:28:14.000 There's not.

00:28:16.000 I mean, Trump is credit got behind this with the RAISE Acts back in his first term.

00:28:20.000 Yeah, Tom Cotton.

00:28:21.000 We had a lot of issues with Tom Cotton, but Tom Cotton was right about the RAISE Act.

00:28:25.000 And it would have, I guess it would have, remind me of the details.

00:28:29.000 It would have been like 50%.

00:28:30.000 It would have been 500,000 green cards a year as opposed to 1.2 that we do now.

00:28:34.000 And it would have been merit-based.

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00:29:46.000 I'm going to play a clip from Charlie talking about the what is that American question.

00:29:52.000 Let's go ahead and play cut 403. 0.74

00:29:55.000 We have reduced Americanism down to, well, have you filled out your paperwork?

00:29:59.000 And the left doesn't even believe that.

00:30:01.000 They believe Americans just have the presence of being in the United States of America.

00:30:06.000 So what is an American?

00:30:07.000 The best way I can answer it, it is someone that has demonstrated through objective measurements and markers that this is home, that you have more than respect or reverence, that you're willing to die, that you are all in, that this is a place that you're willing to bleed for and sacrifice for.

00:30:23.000 This is not a dumping ground for the third world.

00:30:26.000 This is not a social experiment.

00:30:29.000 You had a tear in your eye on July 4th.

00:30:32.000 That you worship God, not Allah. 0.79

00:30:36.000 That you have a sense of weight and responsibility.

00:30:40.000 That you care about your fellow neighbor.

00:30:42.000 An American is more than just someone that has a U.S. passport.

00:30:46.000 I think it's fair to say that Charlie Kirk is the literal embodiment of what American is.

00:30:51.000 Yeah, not the least because he basically looks like he fell out of like 1775.

00:30:57.000 It just comes out of his pores, man.

00:30:58.000 And I just love it.

00:30:59.000 You get a tear in your eye on July 4th.

00:31:01.000 Do you worship God, not Allah?

00:31:03.000 Blake.

00:31:04.000 Yeah, just what's funny is at this point, it's almost that clip we just played doesn't go far enough because it's not even the left thinks you're American if you live here.

00:31:11.000 The left actually has pretty much inverted it, where you're only an American if you are not from here.

00:31:18.000 If you're actually from America, you're somehow not a real American. 0.97

00:31:22.000 Because you're lesser.

00:31:22.000 You don't hold the right views on this or that thing.

00:31:24.000 The superior American is always the American who hasn't been found yet. 1.00

00:31:28.000 We need to have spent hundreds of billions of dollars to go and find all the Americans scattered throughout the entire world and bring them here to give them wealth.

00:31:35.000 No, it's true.

00:31:36.000 I mean, Democrats and their socialists and communist coalition partners, I mean, they essentially want an America where borders are open, drugs pour in from abroad, crime is allowed because, you know, racism.

00:31:49.000 Foreigners rule over native-born citizens. 1.00

00:31:51.000 White people are taxed into subjugation. 1.00

00:31:54.000 Men are compliant, quiet, and castrated. 1.00

00:31:56.000 Little girls share bathrooms with perverted men. 1.00

00:31:59.000 Christianity is outlawed while Muslim call to prayer rings out in the streets. 1.00

00:32:03.000 Truth is censored.

00:32:04.000 And, you know, the military can coup a sitting president if they think that he's doing something that they don't like.

00:32:10.000 Josh, I want to flip the conversation a little bit to that direction.

00:32:13.000 You're a lawyer, and there's a lot of argument about this video that the seditious six, as they're calling them now, have put out basically saying, hey, you shouldn't obey the president.

00:32:24.000 President comes out and says, hey, guess what?

00:32:27.000 The penalty for sedition, seditious conspiracy, is death.

00:32:32.000 And then all hell breaks loose.

00:32:34.000 And so that's our current moment.

00:32:35.000 What is sedition?

00:32:36.000 Define it for us, Josh, in legal terms.

00:32:38.000 And did this meet the threshold?

00:32:40.000 Well, sedition, Andrew, would be a plot to overthrow the regime, a plot to overthrow the American government, potentially to assassinate the president, to try to do what you can illegally to essentially destroy the very existence of the House of Representatives, absent a constitutional amendment.

00:33:02.000 These would be possible grounds for sedition.

00:33:04.000 Now, this video was disgusting.

00:33:06.000 I mean, I did a whole episode on it on my own show.

00:33:08.000 I said this is clearly incitement to insurrection.

00:33:11.000 Is it literally sedition?

00:33:13.000 I mean, the reason I'm hesitating, Andrew, is because when you have elected officials like this, it seems to me like there is potentially another remedy in place rather than trying to prosecute on grounds of sedition, which is that you could also just try to expel these members of Congress.

00:33:27.000 You could try to expel Senator Kelly, Senator Slotkin, people like that there.

00:33:30.000 That is something that that's one possible remedy.

00:33:32.000 You know, as a lawyer, I think not just about the possible crime, but about remedies as well.

00:33:37.000 So one remedy could just be expelling.

00:33:38.000 There's also, of course, the remedy of the ballot box.

00:33:41.000 Look, I definitely would not be upset.

00:33:42.000 I mean, if the DOJ really decides to pursue this thing and actually decides to say that this is a literal seditious conspiracy, it's a total cell phone in the politics, by the way.

00:33:52.000 I mean, who are they playing to?

00:33:54.000 I mean, literally, who are they playing to other than the most radical elements of the Mandani coalition?

00:33:58.000 It's absolutely nuts.

00:33:59.000 It came out of nowhere, too.

00:34:01.000 And then you've got this Representative Crowe basically saying, well, I wasn't calling for them to disobey anything just yet.

00:34:07.000 Well, we have three years left of Trump.

00:34:08.000 And I just wanted to, you know, I wanted to bring up the possibility.

00:34:11.000 I mean, you're absolutely right.

00:34:13.000 The politics of it were insane.

00:34:14.000 So they've cell phoned themselves.

00:34:16.000 But I think what President Trump was rightfully doing, I'll be honest, like the first time I saw it, I thought, I was like, okay, you guys are trying to be cute with illegal orders.

00:34:24.000 Like, who's to define what's illegal?

00:34:26.000 Is drug boats in the international water bombing those?

00:34:30.000 Is that illegal to you?

00:34:31.000 Is National Guard troops in Chicago or Portland?

00:34:35.000 Is that illegal to you?

00:34:37.000 So I knew they were being cute.

00:34:38.000 But then when President Trump got really upset about it, I was like, you know what?

00:34:40.000 He's right.

00:34:41.000 Like, these people are playing with fire, and they need to be warned.

00:34:45.000 They need a brushback pitch. 0.99

00:34:46.000 I don't think that I agree.

00:34:47.000 I don't think the remedy necessarily needs to be immediately let's like, you know, try them for treason.

00:34:52.000 But at the same time, they needed a brushback pitch, brushback pitch.

00:34:55.000 Josh Hammer, final word to you, one minute.

00:34:58.000 Yeah, no, look, I mean, but this is who they are, Andrew.

00:35:00.000 I think the point that I will leave the audience on is this.

00:35:03.000 We are now almost a year and a half since Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:35:07.000 We are now over a year since the second attempted assassination in West Palm Beach, Florida.

00:35:11.000 And there's obviously here we are two and a half months or two plus months after the assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk.

00:35:16.000 And they're still doing this.

00:35:17.000 They're still talking about Trump as a Hitler-right, tyrannical figure. 0.89

00:35:20.000 They're still talking about the American government as a bunch of Nazis.

00:35:23.000 They're still talking about playing fast and loose with sedition.

00:35:26.000 All the while they're flooding this country with people who hate America, who are not really Americans in a thicker, meaningful sense of the term.

00:35:32.000 It's all just totally dystopian and is yet another reminder that we have to do everything we can possibly do to keep these wretched Harrodins out of power in these United States. 0.99

00:35:41.000 Well said.

00:35:41.000 Josh Hammer, host of the Josh Hammer Show, Editor at Large at Newsweek.

00:35:44.000 A great new piece on what is an American?

00:35:46.000 Check it out.

00:35:47.000 Josh, thanks for joining us, my friend.

00:35:49.000 My pleasure.

00:35:49.000 Thanks, Andrew.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 21, 2025

Charlie's Warning on Islam in His Final Days

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