The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie's Warning: The Christians Who Aren't Speaking Out Against Abortion

00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.

00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.

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00:01:09.000 Well, with no further ado, we'll have an opportunity now to introduce our special guest speaker, who I would characterize as a forerunner in the Gen Z and millennial nation.

00:01:24.000 He is an adroit political analyst.

00:01:27.000 He is a very effective, I would say, conservative media commentator, as well as a very effective political activist.

00:01:37.000 He's on the inside of the Trump administration.

00:01:39.000 He's got Trump's ear.

00:01:42.000 He is a confounder of College Millennial Snowflakes.

00:01:47.000 He's the founder of Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action, a real friend of the little babies and of pre-born.

00:01:56.000 And so would you join me in welcoming our guest speaker tonight, one and only Charlie Kirk.

00:02:03.000 Hello, everybody.

00:02:04.000 Great to see you.

00:02:05.000 Oh, geez.

00:02:05.000 Thank you for having me.

00:02:06.000 And Dan, you're doing an amazing job, as always.

00:02:11.000 This has been a very eventful couple months.

00:02:14.000 You know, it's funny after the election, a lot of people just kind of have been taking it easy.

00:02:18.000 And I don't do that very well.

00:02:19.000 I don't rest very well.

00:02:21.000 So we have been more busy than ever.

00:02:24.000 I did 100 hours of campus debates this last semester alone.

00:02:29.000 And you've probably seen the videos and seen the impact and the billions and billions of views.

00:02:34.000 I'm going to get back to that in a second.

00:02:35.000 And I'm learning how to say no.

00:02:39.000 I'm getting better at it because I want to speak everywhere at all times.

00:02:41.000 But this, as soon as Dan asked me, I said, Dan, absolutely anytime, any place for pre-born.

00:02:48.000 And it's funny, I was originally going to speak at the gathering.

00:02:52.000 I think it was like January 18th, right?

00:02:55.000 And so it's a funny story.

00:02:56.000 Dan invited me to go speak at the deal, I think it was in Naples, and January 18th.

00:03:00.000 He's like, hey, Charlie, we'd love to have you lock you in.

00:03:02.000 I'm like, look, if we win the election, I'm going to be probably pretty busy on January 18th.

00:03:08.000 Turns out I was right.

00:03:09.000 And so I'm glad I didn't commit and have to decommit.

00:03:12.000 But I said, Dan, I'll make it up to pre-born.

00:03:14.000 And so this is my making it up for pre-born after I was too busy to go to the one back in Naples, but for good reason, though.

00:03:20.000 So much to talk about here.

00:03:24.000 I can't wait to hear your questions.

00:03:26.000 But I'm uniquely positioned to be able to tell you about the cultural, philosophical, and religious landscape of where the pro-life movement is.

00:03:35.000 What pre-born is doing is so important to intercept people that think that they want to terminate their child.

00:03:43.000 But if we're honest about ending abortion in America, of course there's a political dynamic, but it's about getting the country to be pro-life in their own personal capacity to make sure that our churches are actually pro-life, which I'm going to talk about.

00:03:55.000 And how is it that we have lost in America this stance and this premise of life?

00:04:01.000 And let's just first acknowledge the importance of all of us being here tonight.

00:04:04.000 It should not be lost on anyone here that if you don't believe in God, there is no chance you would be spending your Saturday night paying money to go save babies.

00:04:15.000 The secularists don't do this.

00:04:17.000 If you don't believe in God, there's no way you would donate the money that you're donating to go save a baby you would never meet, that you would never come in contact with, because they don't believe they're image bearers.

00:04:28.000 You see, the downfall of the belief of God in the West is directly correlated.

00:04:32.000 It's a one-to-one correlation with the rise of pagan child sacrifice, child butchery, whatever phrase you want to use.

00:04:40.000 It's as we have become more secular, it's harder and harder for us to make the pro-life case.

00:04:45.000 And I saw this on Grape Display.

00:04:47.000 Did some of you guys see my mostly peaceful debate at Cambridge?

00:04:52.000 Maybe, maybe not.

00:04:53.000 Thank you.

00:04:55.000 If you haven't watched it, it's fine.

00:04:57.000 It was a total ambush, and I loved every minute of it.

00:05:01.000 I don't think tonight will be as hard as that.

00:05:03.000 So I show up to Cambridge, and the way they present it, they're so deceitful, they're so smug, and they think they're so smart.

00:05:10.000 And they're like, hey, we're just going to have you at our Cambridge Union, you know, a little question and answer.

00:05:14.000 As soon as I showed up, I'm like, oh, this is a total ambush.

00:05:17.000 I was like five minutes beforehand, 400 students against me.

00:05:20.000 It was one versus 400.

00:05:22.000 And again, these are not dummies, right?

00:05:24.000 But they have no wisdom. 0.59

00:05:27.000 That's a very important distinction.

00:05:28.000 They have brain power.

00:05:30.000 They could do mathematic formulas.

00:05:32.000 They could recite facts, but there's no wisdom.

00:05:34.000 And wisdom is the understanding of things that never change.

00:05:37.000 And where does wisdom come from?

00:05:39.000 The fear of the Lord.

00:05:41.000 And if you do not fear God, you have no wisdom.

00:05:43.000 So I go into Cambridge of all these brainiacs who know a bunch of facts, but they believe men can give birth.

00:05:52.000 I go into Cambridge and these people that think they're so smart, they say it's just a clump of cells.

00:05:56.000 Terminate it. 0.87

00:05:57.000 Eliminate it.

00:05:57.000 Get rid of it.

00:05:58.000 What's the big deal?

00:06:00.000 And looking back at the footage and kind of recapping my time there, and then I went to Oxford, same thing, the next day in Oxford.

00:06:06.000 They were a little bit more polite at Oxford than in Cambridge, just a little bit.

00:06:10.000 And I recognize these are the top institutions of the West where Isaac Newton himself was educated, where they split the atom, where even though they have all of the sophistication imaginable, their IQs are higher than most people ever meet.

00:06:24.000 But they're lacking the most fundamental thing that is just destroying the West from within, a suicidal impulse, which is that they don't believe there is a God, and they believe that they are God if there was to be a God.

00:06:36.000 And those two things are just gnawing at the basis of the West.

00:06:39.000 So I look at the landscape of how are we going to save more babies?

00:06:42.000 Because make no mistake, your support of pre-born, Jesus cares and will care when we meet him what you did to save babies.

00:06:51.000 Jesus cares what you are doing, whether or not to save those lives that cannot defend themselves.

00:06:57.000 And it's so, when you dive deeper into the examination of the pro-abortion psychology, and again, I'm very uniquely positioned because not only do I hear every argument imaginable, I challenge you to find anyone who's done 100 hours of debates on these topics in one semester.

00:07:15.000 So that is about, I've done about 250 hours, so literally days of these debates on these topics in just the last calendar, three total semesters, right?

00:07:23.000 And it almost always comes down to this.

00:07:26.000 Well, but I matter more than somebody else.

00:07:32.000 What do you mean?

00:07:33.000 Who cares if it's another human life? 0.97

00:07:34.000 Because I can't even get them to acknowledge the species of the life, that it's uniquely made.

00:07:39.000 It's not their DNA.

00:07:41.000 But then all of a sudden we hit up to a moral stopping point, a critical one.

00:07:45.000 They say, well, but I'm in charge, and my sovereignty matters more than somebody else.

00:07:50.000 So of course I should be able to eliminate it.

00:07:52.000 And we have this idea that bodily autonomy matters more than the will of God because they don't acknowledge God.

00:08:00.000 And when I dive, the most shocking and depressing thing that I then hear from them is the callous, cold nature of their opinion of the discarding of human life.

00:08:13.000 Now, I have some very, very good heuristics to be able to get them to think about this stuff.

00:08:17.000 I have a new one that I just can't wait to use in the fall.

00:08:20.000 It came to me when I was going on one of my late-night walks, which is like, okay, let's find out.

00:08:24.000 Let's pretend.

00:08:25.000 I got to share it with you guys.

00:08:26.000 You're going to love this.

00:08:27.000 And you guys can use it to all your pro-abortion fans, if they're liberal.

00:08:30.000 It only works if they're liberal, okay?

00:08:32.000 So let's pretend I have a genetics test and I could tell in utero everything about my baby, the baby. 0.98

00:08:39.000 I could tell the baby is going to be gay. 1.00

00:08:42.000 Am I allowed to abort my baby if I find out it's gay and I don't want a gay baby? 1.00

00:08:47.000 I just can't wait to hear their answer, right? 0.99

00:08:50.000 Just can't wait.

00:08:52.000 I just thought that was one of the greatest ones I've ever come up with, right?

00:08:58.000 It's like, no.

00:08:58.000 Oh, so we're pro-life now for the gay babies.

00:09:02.000 Got it. 0.52

00:09:04.000 That's wonderful.

00:09:06.000 I can't wait to use one this semester.

00:09:08.000 I was like, why didn't I have that at Cambridge?

00:09:12.000 So I could spend all night, or the 12 minutes I have before QA, bashing on these colleges.

00:09:18.000 But let's be honest, there's something deeper that's happening here, and it's time for some introspection in our own community as to why this is happening.

00:09:27.000 I was meeting with Dan.

00:09:28.000 Doesn't Dan do a great job, by the way?

00:09:29.000 What an amazing warrior and fighter.

00:09:31.000 No, no, he's great.

00:09:33.000 And he is a true warrior with humility.

00:09:37.000 That is so hard to find.

00:09:38.000 Always acknowledging God, always understanding that we are here for his purposes and his wishes.

00:09:44.000 And so I was saying this to Dan earlier, which is, look, it's easy to say, well, you know, President Trump is not as pro-life as I would like him.

00:09:53.000 And look, I'm 100% pro-life.

00:09:55.000 I go to these college campuses and I'm the guy that says no exceptions to abortion.

00:09:59.000 And I still command audiences of 4,000 students because they're so interested in a topic they've never heard.

00:10:05.000 And yet I am willing to give President Trump and JD Vance and the whole administration grace that other people will not.

00:10:11.000 You know why?

00:10:12.000 Because I am not going to hold a president or a politician to a higher standard than my local pastor when it comes to abortion.

00:10:21.000 And why is it that we have allowed our pastors to remain silent on this issue and our churches to remain silent on this issue, but we're very critical of our politicians, which matter more, actually, because the politicians are just reading a script that is provided to them by voters.

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00:10:53.000 He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're facing today, gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge, Trump in the White House, issues in the church.

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00:11:43.000 I want to ask you a hypothetical.

00:11:45.000 If President Donald Trump announced tomorrow that he's taking away everybody's guns, what would happen?

00:11:52.000 Everyone would march on.

00:11:53.000 I mean, it would not, you know what would happen, okay?

00:11:55.000 Like, it would not be, it would be pretty self-evident.

00:11:58.000 And yet, President Donald Trump reverses Roe versus Wade, and what happens?

00:12:04.000 Basically, no gratitude, silence.

00:12:08.000 American church, vast majority of churches didn't even say thank you.

00:12:11.000 Most churches, actually, we did a study at TPSA Faith, our faith arm, they gave apologizing sermons.

00:12:17.000 And I'm sure you know about this.

00:12:19.000 You know, we're a pro-life church, but I know this might make you uncomfortable.

00:12:22.000 And, you know, we just want to make sure that everyone here is heard and healed and blah, That should have been the greatest day of rejoicing and fasting.

00:12:30.000 We as a church should have been fasting for a week saying, thank you, God, for giving us the reversal of Roe versus Wade.

00:12:36.000 So it's tempting to say, hey, President Trump is not as pro-life as I get it.

00:12:39.000 And I get it.

00:12:40.000 I can sympathize with that.

00:12:41.000 I think you also must give him credit for all the amazing stuff he's doing, but fine.

00:12:44.000 Got it.

00:12:44.000 Respect.

00:12:45.000 But are you also going to your local pastor or the big mega church and calling out that heretic for not being pro-life? 1.00

00:12:52.000 Or are you only disagreeable from afar, but you're not disagreeable up close and personal?

00:12:57.000 You know, the vast majority of pastors in this country will never ever speak out about the crisis of abortion, ever.

00:13:04.000 And we wonder why there is this kind of moral and cultural decay and downfall, because the only way we win the fight for life, the only way we win is if the American church rises up.

00:13:15.000 It's not going to be reason.

00:13:17.000 It's not going to be secularists.

00:13:19.000 Instead, it's going to be the very promise of the Bible because it comes down to the very fundamental question.

00:13:23.000 When I go on the college campus and the girl kind of shrugs her shoulders and she says, well, I don't really care, you know, if that, you know, baby or whatever, eventually I can get them to say the word baby, which, you know, they do everything they can not to use the word baby, right?

00:13:35.000 Dehumanizing language is the staple of a pro-abortion individual.

00:13:40.000 It's a fetus, it's a clump of cells, it's a parasite, it's an invader.

00:13:44.000 As soon as they use humanizing language, all of a sudden that must invite then human morality. 0.70

00:13:48.000 But of course it is a human being.

00:13:50.000 However, even if I can get them to acknowledge it, they don't believe that human being is an image bearer.

00:13:55.000 They think it's an accident.

00:13:57.000 They think it's an accident of millions of years of evolution.

00:14:01.000 The divide in the West is those of us that believe that our existence is a miracle, that you are designed with intentionality, with purpose, with a soul, and we believe everything that we do matters up against a whole other cohort in this country that says, oh, it's just a roll of the dice.

00:14:16.000 It's an inconvenience.

00:14:18.000 Do you know how often I hear the argument when I speak to these students?

00:14:21.000 And they say, well, the baby will be better off aborted because it will be born to a poor family. 0.83

00:14:28.000 We have not moved past eugenics. 0.93

00:14:31.000 This is mass Malthusian population control that we like to think as if our society is so advanced and so elevated and so educated, but be very careful at the tyranny of hyper-educated non-religious elites. 0.97

00:14:46.000 The tyranny of hyper-educated non-religious elites is a cancer to Western society. 1.00

00:14:53.000 And so we're in the middle of a struggle for what is called Western civilization.

00:14:57.000 But do you know a better term of what Western civilization really is that nobody wants to say?

00:15:02.000 Christendom.

00:15:03.000 Christendom.

00:15:05.000 No one wants to call it out loud because they think it's too Christian national.

00:15:08.000 It's Christendom.

00:15:09.000 This nation was started as a Christian project. 1.00

00:15:11.000 When the pilgrims came here from the Mayflower, they specifically said they were going to come here to spread the gospel and to turn this continent into a Christian continent.

00:15:20.000 Honestly, they did a phenomenal job.

00:15:21.000 This is the best place for Christianity on the planet and has been.

00:15:24.000 It has been the number one funder of the gospel around the world.

00:15:27.000 It has been the place of Billy Graham and the biggest churches and the biggest messages.

00:15:31.000 But in the last 20 years, we have decided to indulge, 30 years, in a very tempting yet failed model.

00:15:39.000 And finally, we're starting to reckon with the problem.

00:15:42.000 The model is very simple.

00:15:43.000 It's that, hey, we want to get the biggest church possible.

00:15:47.000 We want to get the biggest building possible.

00:15:49.000 And we want to get people in and we can't offend them.

00:15:52.000 So we're not going to talk about any of the parts of the Bible that might be hard or difficult.

00:15:57.000 We're just going to do John 3:16 every single week.

00:16:01.000 But think about it.

00:16:03.000 If you don't present Jesus Christ as a Savior, so they'll use the word Savior.

00:16:08.000 But if you don't talk about sin, why do you need a Savior?

00:16:12.000 If you don't talk about sin, what are you getting saved from?

00:16:15.000 If you're not talking about that you're being suffocated by your own original sin, then why would you need to be redeemed?

00:16:21.000 Because you're awesome the way you are.

00:16:23.000 He gets you.

00:16:27.000 He's amazing.

00:16:28.000 You're amazing. 0.99

00:16:29.000 Jesus, when you're watching porn, he's like, yeah, keep doing it. 0.97

00:16:32.000 He gets you.

00:16:34.000 He affirms your sin.

00:16:35.000 We went from an affirmation, went to an affirmational model when instead we need a hot gospel that says, almost every hour of the day, you are sinning.

00:16:44.000 You have original sin.

00:16:46.000 And only by the grace of God that you did not earn, that you do not deserve, is this free gift of salvation that can redeem you.

00:16:52.000 And only through there do you get the promise of heaven via Jesus Christ.

00:16:57.000 That is the hot gospel, but it requires confronting a culture and not conforming via this social gospel that we have seen over the last 30 years.

00:17:09.000 You want to know why the church has become less pro-life?

00:17:12.000 Because it doesn't preach the gospel like it used to.

00:17:14.000 It doesn't preach the entirety of the word of God.

00:17:18.000 Some pastors I meet can't even spell Leviticus.

00:17:22.000 Let alone do they teach out of it.

00:17:24.000 The founding fathers, not only did they like Leviticus, they put Leviticus on the liberty bill, proclaim liberty throughout the land of which you are in.

00:17:30.000 It's the entirety of the word of God that is necessary for us to be able to have a healthy and robust church.

00:17:37.000 And the problem is the modern church, they say, but we want more converts.

00:17:40.000 We want more converts.

00:17:41.000 We want more converts.

00:17:42.000 And I go back to the scripture.

00:17:44.000 They say, well, Jesus said to create disciples of all nations.

00:17:49.000 Conversion is the first step towards discipleship, but if you are just doing popcorn and ice cream spiritually every single Sunday, people are going to leave because they want to go deeper.

00:17:58.000 They don't just want to have the superficial thing.

00:18:00.000 They want to go deep into the details of the promises of what it means to be a Christian and the struggles.

00:18:05.000 And then finally, the other struggle, the other issue that we have is worldview.

00:18:11.000 I finally had this breakthrough like two years ago, which is we as Christians have been led to believe there's something called a neutral public square.

00:18:20.000 And number two, that people can look at things through just fairly and equally in a kind of unbiased way.

00:18:28.000 Every single person you meet, every child, every pastor, every politician, every school board member, every CEO, looks through the world through a predetermined prism or a worldview.

00:18:38.000 The question is, whose do you want to win?

00:18:41.000 And we as Christians have kind of been like, oh, we don't care.

00:18:44.000 Come to my church, but I'm not going to go equip you with a biblical worldview because I don't want to offend you.

00:18:49.000 Instead, what a pastor should be doing is every day, installing a biblical worldview, when you read the news and you listen to the radio and you watch the TV, you distill everything and you process it through a biblical worldview.

00:19:01.000 Does that glorify God or does that make us further away from God?

00:19:05.000 Is that in God's commands?

00:19:06.000 Is that in God's law or not?

00:19:08.000 And this is the tragedy of it, is that a pastor thinks that is being political.

00:19:13.000 It's being biblical, not political.

00:19:16.000 It is not political to go through the entirety of the scriptures.

00:19:20.000 And what I find is that so often students, professors, whoever, I'll debate anybody, they come up to the microphone and they'll say, well, I just want everyone to live and let live.

00:19:31.000 I want everyone to kind of live as if they want to live.

00:19:34.000 I say, by what moral standard do you think that's right?

00:19:38.000 They say, well, it's just the kind of way I feel, but you're appealing to something when you say that.

00:19:42.000 Why is that better than the Quran? 0.98

00:19:44.000 Why is that better than the Bible?

00:19:45.000 And we, as Christians, have kind of retreated into our own corner, being like, well, I don't want to promote the Bible too heavily because it might be, you know, it might be off-putting. 0.92

00:19:56.000 And if we want to win people for Jesus, we can't turn people off.

00:20:00.000 And what we're seeing is the opposite.

00:20:03.000 The churches that are weak and woke and that are afraid to talk about the entirety of the scripture, scriptures, they're turning their churches over to hotel developers.

00:20:14.000 Pastors that actually go into the toughest issues of the day, people are flocking to them by the thousands, by the thousands.

00:20:22.000 Right now, many of you people maybe know young men right now are gravitating to the Catholic Church in record numbers.

00:20:30.000 By the way, better the Catholic Church than to mosques, okay? 1.00

00:20:33.000 No, and serious.

00:20:35.000 Why?

00:20:35.000 And by the way, as an evangelical and as a Protestant, I think this is very interesting.

00:20:38.000 And most Protestants have no idea why this is happening.

00:20:41.000 They say, why is it that I'm losing my young men to Catholic churches?

00:20:46.000 And I look down and I say, well, the skinny jeans are a good place to start.

00:20:49.000 They want a pastor where they don't think they can beat you up.

00:20:54.000 Number two, what's with all the smoke screen and the dancing and the screens?

00:20:58.000 Is this a rock concert or is this church?

00:21:01.000 They don't want to just go to a Home Depot with a bunch of TED Talks.

00:21:04.000 They want to go somewhere holy.

00:21:06.000 They want to go to somewhere that doesn't change.

00:21:09.000 They want to go somewhere that tells them the truth that is uncompromising in a culture that's not going to be like a Cirque du-Sole act every single Sunday.

00:21:16.000 You can say whatever you want about the Catholic Church, and I have huge disagreements with them, fundamental theological disagreements.

00:21:23.000 But they've lasted a long time.

00:21:25.000 And when you go into a Catholic church, they're not dancing around like is it some Vegas act.

00:21:31.000 And there's certainly, for a young man who says, everything in my life is changing.

00:21:35.000 Everything.

00:21:36.000 My friends are changing their gender.

00:21:39.000 The whole world is just falling apart.

00:21:41.000 But when I enter into a Catholic church, at least there's some constancy and there is some order.

00:21:48.000 And we as Protestants and evangelicals could learn a lot from that trend right now.

00:21:54.000 We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries.

00:21:56.000 And today, I want to point you to their podcast.

00:21:59.000 It's called Culture in Christianity, the Allen Jackson Podcast.

00:22:03.000 What makes it unique is Pastor Allen's biblical perspective.

00:22:06.000 He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're facing today: gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge, Trump in the White House, issues in the church.

00:22:15.000 He doesn't just discuss the problems.

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00:22:48.000 You can find out more about Pastor Allen and the ministry at alanjackson.com forward slash Charlie.

00:22:56.000 And do you know what else? 0.97

00:22:57.000 The Catholic Church is like, yep, abortion is murder. 0.97

00:23:00.000 It's dogma. 0.74

00:23:01.000 We don't compromise from that.

00:23:03.000 Marriage is between a man and woman.

00:23:04.000 We don't compromise from that.

00:23:06.000 If you don't like it, then get out.

00:23:07.000 Yet they're the ones that are actually experiencing the growth curve because you know why?

00:23:10.000 Young people right now want crisply delivered truths, not watered down half-truths, because they're afraid that one person in the back of the room might send an angry email.

00:23:23.000 Every pastor should go up on a pulpit and say, Lord, help me, help me, please preach this church down to a manageable size.

00:23:35.000 That should be your goal.

00:23:37.000 And if it grows, then it's not you, it's him.

00:23:41.000 Because the intent should be, I should be saying things that are so offensive to the world that the demons scatter and that the culture wants nothing to do with it.

00:23:52.000 We're running out of time.

00:23:54.000 I could talk endlessly.

00:23:55.000 Nothing is more important than the fight for life.

00:23:57.000 But understand that it is Christians and Christians only that will win this battle. 1.00

00:24:03.000 Jesus must be the center of it all.

00:24:05.000 It's not secularists.

00:24:06.000 It's not the Buddhists. 1.00

00:24:07.000 It's not the Hindus. 1.00

00:24:09.000 And I do want to leave you with a very hopeful thing and then we'll do some questions.

00:24:12.000 The pro-life movement in Europe does not exist.

00:24:15.000 It literally does not exist.

00:24:19.000 We are like the last pro-life cohort on the planet that actually talks about these things and that is trying to get people to save their baby.

00:24:27.000 The rest of the world, the Muslim world is its own thing, but the rest of the basically developed world has no issue with just eliminating babies. 1.00

00:24:36.000 We're like the last gasp that has the kind of moral courage.

00:24:40.000 And I get in a lot of trouble when I say this, but I believe that there are a lot of parallels towards the abolition of slavery and the abolition of abortion.

00:24:49.000 People say, how dare you compare the two?

00:24:51.000 I'm sorry.

00:24:52.000 They're both evil and one resulted in murder.

00:24:54.000 One doesn't even allow you to live.

00:24:56.000 And I believe if we look at the long march that got us towards the abolitionist slavery, we can learn a lot from Wilberforce.

00:25:03.000 We can learn a lot from Frederick Douglass, which is we do not compromise.

00:25:07.000 We stay prayerful.

00:25:08.000 We're always constantly trying to impact culture and make politics more in the form of what God and Jesus would want.

00:25:14.000 And that's why I love what Pre-Born is doing every single day.

00:25:17.000 And I encourage you guys to continue to support it generously.

00:25:20.000 Let's do some questions, right, Dan?

00:25:21.000 Amen.

00:25:25.000 Let's get the mics throughout the room. 0.99

00:25:27.000 And if you have a question for Charlie, just raise your hand.

00:25:30.000 We'll see if we can stump him.

00:25:31.000 We've got to be better than a bunch of college kids, right?

00:25:34.000 Who came first, the Catholics or the Protestants? 0.95

00:25:38.000 Well, the Catholics, for sure. 1.00

00:25:40.000 Well, Protestants, who made Protestants and go. 0.99

00:25:45.000 Oh, do you want a mic?

00:25:46.000 I'm not.

00:25:47.000 So are we debating or are we?

00:25:48.000 Yeah.

00:25:49.000 Okay.

00:25:49.000 No, I mean, no, Catholics predated Protestantism, for sure.

00:25:53.000 Right.

00:25:53.000 And don't you think that Protestants were a little bit more liberal than the Catholics?

00:25:57.000 I'm Catholic.

00:25:58.000 Oh, yeah, okay, that's right.

00:26:00.000 Do I think that Protestants were more liberal than Catholics?

00:26:03.000 Yeah.

00:26:04.000 No, not necessarily.

00:26:05.000 They wanted to get divorced. 0.76

00:26:07.000 Okay, yeah, so it depends how you mean.

00:26:09.000 King VIII started.

00:26:10.000 I'm sorry, what?

00:26:11.000 King Henry VIII was the one that started Protestant.

00:26:14.000 No, that's not correct.

00:26:15.000 No, that's not true.

00:26:16.000 Martin Luther actually started Protestantism.

00:26:19.000 So Martin Luther was the.

00:26:20.000 He was the one that's.

00:26:22.000 So do you know the 95 Theses?

00:26:24.000 Yes, I know.

00:26:25.000 Yeah, so you're talking about specifically England.

00:26:27.000 You're right.

00:26:28.000 So Henry VIII was the English schism away towards the Church of England, but Martin Luther started Protestantism with the 95 Theses.

00:26:35.000 Do you know what the selling of indulgences is?

00:26:38.000 No, because they're Catholic.

00:26:39.000 Right, so the Catholic Church first. 0.52

00:26:42.000 Right.

00:26:42.000 So the Protestants broke up.

00:26:43.000 Let's not be too combative here, right?

00:26:46.000 Well, it's okay.

00:26:47.000 So the selling of indulgences was the Catholic Church selling salvation for money, right? 0.86

00:26:53.000 So Martin Luther found that to be objectionable.

00:26:55.000 Remember, Martin Luther was a Catholic priest.

00:26:56.000 No, I know.

00:26:57.000 Martin Luther said we should not be selling people's souls for money.

00:27:01.000 So he nailed the 95 theses to the door and started the Protestant Reformation, of which led towards Protestant Christianity as we know it.

00:27:10.000 And Jay Sarah, who's a big, huge Catholic, came down to the West.

00:27:14.000 And if you see, you know, Santa Barbara all the way down, you see missions.

00:27:20.000 They're the ones who are.

00:27:21.000 Yeah, no, again, I acknowledge it.

00:27:23.000 That's not the Mayflower.

00:27:24.000 Right.

00:27:24.000 So do you think Mary was do you think Mary was sinless?

00:27:29.000 Do I think Mary was sinless?

00:27:32.000 I mean, that's what I was taught.

00:27:33.000 Do you think that we're ascended into heaven?

00:27:37.000 Yes, I do.

00:27:38.000 Where's your evidence for that?

00:27:41.000 Where is the evidence that we're going to have to, but there's a God?

00:27:44.000 Where is our evidence?

00:27:45.000 Around us, the Bible, I mean.

00:27:46.000 We have faith.

00:27:47.000 No, right.

00:27:48.000 So there's no scriptural evidence for Mary being sinless.

00:27:51.000 In fact, it says the opposite in Romans 3, that all fall short of the glory of God, and only Christ Jesus is able to redeem us.

00:27:57.000 So, according to dogma of the Catholic Church, they believe Mary is sinless.

00:28:01.000 They believe Mary assumed into heaven, like Elijah, Enoch, and Elijah, Enoch, and Jesus.

00:28:06.000 So I just ask you, like, why do you believe that?

00:28:09.000 I just think that Mother Mary, I pray to her, and the things have happened for me.

00:28:13.000 Yeah, so again, so it also says in the scriptures in 1 Timothy.

00:28:16.000 Right.

00:28:16.000 So in the scriptures, it's fine.

00:28:18.000 In the scriptures, it said only Jesus Christ is our mediary to God, right?

00:28:22.000 So you don't need a mediary of Mary.

00:28:24.000 You don't need a mediary of, you know, St. Paul.

00:28:26.000 So why do you pray to someone that isn't Jesus?

00:28:31.000 I believe in the Catholic Church.

00:28:33.000 It was a first.

00:28:34.000 Bingo.

00:28:34.000 So I believe in scripture and you believe in an institution, and we just, that's our difference.

00:28:39.000 Yeah, that's good.

00:28:39.000 Okay.

00:28:40.000 Next question.

00:28:41.000 Thank you.

00:28:41.000 Next question.

00:28:44.000 But no, just to recap, though, the Catholic Church teaches Mary was sinless like Jesus and also that she assumed into heaven, both of which are.

00:28:53.000 No, that's correct.

00:28:54.000 Sinless.

00:28:54.000 It's called the Immaculate Conception, which was done in 1854, I think by Pope Leo XII.

00:29:00.000 It was done in ex-cathedra dogma into the Catholic Church.

00:29:04.000 Catholics teach that Mary was sinless like Christ, which I find to be an outrageous teaching for anyone that has read the scriptures.

00:29:10.000 Yes.

00:29:12.000 So you say, you know, you always say come in front of the line if you disagree.

00:29:16.000 I was waiting for the line.

00:29:18.000 So I disagree with you starting to say no, because I just moved to Florida from Canada, and French Canada is extremely atheist, extremely pro-abortion.

00:29:32.000 I've had tons of patients and friends, almost proud of their abortion. 0.88

00:29:38.000 You went to England.

00:29:40.000 You say Europe is gone.

00:29:43.000 What about Canada?

00:29:44.000 When are you coming to Université Laval to meet people to well because I was willing to do it for you, but you're super talented.

00:29:54.000 Just like my NHL career never happened, I don't think that career would either.

00:30:01.000 So when are you coming to Canada?

00:30:04.000 I don't know if I'm allowed in Canada, but when I went to England, I tried my best to get arrested and I failed.

00:30:14.000 So look, I'm very, very, despite my visit to UK and Cambridge and Oxford, I'm very America-focused in what I'm doing.

00:30:22.000 But look, Canada has some major problems.

00:30:24.000 You know, the biggest problem, this is actually a very interesting point.

00:30:28.000 First of all, Canada has a non-religious problem because they're nowhere near as religious as America.

00:30:33.000 Canada is only the population of California.

00:30:35.000 Understand, it's a major landmass with only the population of California.

00:30:40.000 In about 25 years ago, California, Canadian conservatives said that the abortion issue is too controversial and we want to just be indecipherable from the liberals on abortion.

00:30:52.000 That's a lot of people in the Republican Party are going to try to do the same thing, everybody.

00:30:56.000 And what happened to California conservatives?

00:30:58.000 It made them weaker.

00:30:59.000 I'm Canadian, sorry.

00:31:00.000 Canadian conservatives.

00:31:01.000 It made them weaker in the process.

00:31:03.000 We do not compromise on the most important issue, which is the issue of life.

00:31:08.000 Period.

00:31:08.000 End of story.

00:31:10.000 And I mean, you look at what's happened this last election.

00:31:13.000 It's just the tragedy.

00:31:14.000 And again, I believe that if you fail to remain a godly nation, then you will not be a free nation.

00:31:21.000 And Canada is a perfect example of that.

00:31:23.000 Next question.

00:31:24.000 Yes.

00:31:25.000 Sure, I think for the comments on American pastors that need to be said, you're right.

00:31:32.000 It's been about 30 years.

00:31:34.000 My question is when I have debates with family members who maybe aren't Christians and I proclaim my pro-life views, what do you feel is the clearest way to explain it specifically in ectopic pregnancy kind of situation?

00:31:54.000 Right.

00:31:55.000 So ectopic pregnancy would be the breaking of the uterine wall. 0.84

00:31:58.000 Is that right, Dan?

00:32:00.000 Fallopian stoobs, yeah.

00:32:01.000 I will lead.

00:32:03.000 Honestly, that question should go to Dan.

00:32:04.000 He can answer it a lot better than I would, or that I could.

00:32:08.000 I believe, number one, that far too many times, especially post-22 weeks, especially post-22 weeks, far too many women are not given the option of a cesarean section and they're only given the option of an abortion, where the C-section very well could be a medical procedure that could save potentially both the baby and the mother's life.

00:32:29.000 More specifically, though, the issue that I find where a lot of the kind of fear-mongers on this issue push forward is they think abortion is a harmless, victimless procedure.

00:32:47.000 And so that is one of the more important elements here.

00:32:50.000 If there is a dead baby within the womb, the extraction of a dead baby is not an abortion.

00:32:57.000 That is a very important thing to mention.

00:33:00.000 And so, and also, I get this on campus.

00:33:03.000 They say, well, isn't a removal of a cyst an abortion? 0.98

00:33:06.000 No, that's an ablation, I believe it's called, an ablation.

00:33:10.000 The misinformation around it persists, but I'll let Dan answer that probably more, you know, in more depth than I could.

00:33:17.000 Yeah, you know, Charlie.

00:33:19.000 So an eptopic pregnancy is a baby that would never survive.

00:33:23.000 And it's life-threatening to the mother.

00:33:25.000 So it's got to be removed or the mother will die, frankly.

00:33:29.000 And it's not abortion. 0.95

00:33:31.000 Not an abortion, correct.

00:33:32.000 Yep.

00:33:33.000 Any dreams or hopes for a turning point in Europe or other countries?

00:33:38.000 Not really.

00:33:40.000 I mean, we're very, again, we're very, very America focused right now.

00:33:44.000 Again, I mean, I'll be visiting probably Europe once a year.

00:33:47.000 It's so, for those of you, have any been to Europe recently, it's so sad.

00:33:51.000 I have a lot of thoughts on this, but the Muslim conquest of Europe is shocking. 1.00

00:33:57.000 It is alarming.

00:33:58.000 The rise of Muhammadism in the West is really breathtaking. 1.00

00:34:03.000 And so we have to save this country.

00:34:06.000 And honestly, once you save America, it helps save the world.

00:34:09.000 Because a strong America is a strong world.

00:34:14.000 Yep.

00:34:17.000 As I introduced myself to you earlier, I am a millennial, for better or for worse, born in California and raised in the Bay Area.

00:34:26.000 So I'll admit that I cried on Chunk 1 in 2016.

00:34:30.000 But thanks to Jesus, my God-fearing husband, and you partially, I am now a Christian conservative, obviously.

00:34:37.000 I'm here tonight.

00:34:42.000 All of that said, a majority of my friends are still very liberal talking, and some of my friends don't talk to me anymore because of my views.

00:34:49.000 My question for you is, how do I approach this conversation about this specific topic in the most loving and productive way possible to where it's not where, you know, they're bashing me for being some type of Christian nationalist?

00:35:03.000 It's a great question.

00:35:05.000 So you have to, before you even ever talk about politics, you have to establish with your friends a very simple question.

00:35:13.000 Is it possible that I might have different political views and you'll still view me the same?

00:35:19.000 And if the answer is no, then you have to stop being there.

00:35:21.000 I mean, it's that there is no friendship, actually.

00:35:23.000 It's just superficial.

00:35:25.000 Aristotle talked about the different levels of friendship, and real friends are people that have a transcendent third involved, meaning they're both looking at something above them that they can both understand and appreciate.

00:35:35.000 Doesn't mean they have to agree with it, but they're both looking at that same thing.

00:35:40.000 The nastiness of the left is one of the least reported cultural stories that's happening of friendships and families and friends and sons and daughters, people that no longer talk to each other because of political differences.

00:35:53.000 We as Christians should not seek to do that.

00:35:55.000 We should be the peacemakers.

00:35:56.000 We should try to find common ground and try to remedy that.

00:35:59.000 But boy, I could tell you, I've lost family members, neighbors in just the most venomous ways imaginable because unfortunately, they will group in political identity with moral worth.

00:36:11.000 They'll think you're a bad person because they don't share their views.

00:36:16.000 And so then just keep on asking questions and then live the testimony through your actions.

00:36:21.000 Be someone that they want to be with, they want to be friends with.

00:36:25.000 And the best thing that has ever happened to us as conservatives is that the left has become so unenjoyable to be around.

00:36:35.000 And no, I mean that.

00:36:36.000 Is that no one wants to spend time?

00:36:38.000 They're complaining about climate change or abortion.

00:36:43.000 They're always complaining.

00:36:44.000 It's like the Democrat Party is basically weaponized infant complaining for two hours straight at dinner.

00:36:51.000 And eventually, this is not fun.

00:36:54.000 And so be somebody that people want to spend time with and be a testimony to the Lord in the process.

00:37:00.000 Yes?

00:37:01.000 You mentioned that over the last 30 years, evangelicalism has watered down the gospel for the sake of gaining membership.

00:37:08.000 But then you also gave hope that that's perhaps changing from your platform and vantage point.

00:37:13.000 What hopeful changes do you see on the horizon and what do you see is coming next?

00:37:18.000 I think that there is a new generation of young pastors that are preaching through the Bible correctly.

00:37:24.000 And honestly, it's been very disappointing to watch.

00:37:27.000 COVID was a very revealing moment for the American church.

00:37:31.000 And we saw pastors that would shut down their entire church unnecessarily for a year and a half, two years on end, all the while they were promoting racial justice and all that complete nonsense. 0.72

00:37:45.000 And so I think that the biggest hopeful thing that I have is that the rank and file and those of you that attend churches are demanding more out of your pastor.

00:37:55.000 And that you're no longer just going to have your pastor sit down and roll over and do the same sort of, well, you know, we're not going to get into the controversial issues here.

00:38:04.000 No, we want the entire Bible to be taught in this church.

00:38:08.000 And then finally, in a digital social media era, the best ideas are going to win.

00:38:13.000 It's the kind of happy talk pastors.

00:38:15.000 If your pastor is basically indistinguishable from a self-help seminar, then why would somebody come to you on Sunday morning?

00:38:24.000 They have to believe that there is a spiritual component or a spiritual element to it.

00:38:29.000 And so I am hopeful that this kind of teaching is the marketplace is rewarding that.

00:38:35.000 And look no further, everybody.

00:38:36.000 Before there were weak evangelical churches, what was there before that?

00:38:40.000 Weak mainline Protestant churches, Episcopalian, Lutheran, certain forms of Presbyterianism.

00:38:47.000 They actually saw the decline in attendance before a lot of mainline evangelicals.

00:38:52.000 What is the through line?

00:38:54.000 When you start to compromise on the truth, you actually don't grow.

00:38:58.000 People don't want to reward you with their ties and their offerings or their attendance or their time when you water down the truth.

00:39:03.000 Is that it?

00:39:04.000 I think we got it covered.

00:39:05.000 Thank you so much.

00:39:06.000 Okay.

00:39:06.000 Charlie, can I say one more thing?

00:39:07.000 Really quick, please.

00:39:08.000 Everybody, I'm a donor to pre-born.

00:39:10.000 I'm proud to do it.

00:39:11.000 I'm thankful to do it.

00:39:13.000 I come here.

00:39:14.000 I could be with my family.

00:39:15.000 I'm doing it because anytime Dan asks me to pitch in with my time or my voice, it is so important that we have a counter to Planned Parenthood.

00:39:25.000 By the way, if you want to say something in prayer, say something in prayer the next couple of days and the next week, please pray for intercession, that the defunding of Planned Parenthood stays in the big beautiful bill.

00:39:36.000 Please bring that to the Lord, okay?

00:39:39.000 Keep that because that would be a major, major victory.

00:39:43.000 And President Trump has green lit it and has allowed it and we are seeing it proceeding.

00:39:49.000 But we are up against a culture of death.

00:39:52.000 John 10, 10, Jesus says, the enemy has come to lie, steep, chill, and destroy, but I have come to give life and life more abundantly.

00:39:59.000 We are a culture of life.

00:40:00.000 We need to celebrate it.

00:40:02.000 We need to fight for it.

00:40:03.000 What pre-born is doing every single day, in my opinion, is the most effective, precise, and measurable organization that is countering the butchery and the slaughter that Planned Parenthood has wrought.

00:40:13.000 So dig deep, donate what you can.

00:40:16.000 God bless you guys, and thank you for all the prayers and support.

00:40:18.000 Thank you.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 14, 2025

Charlie's Warning: The Christians Who Aren't Speaking Out Against Abortion

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