The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie Under Siege At UNM

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00:00:24.000 Here we go.

00:00:25.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:27.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:29.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:33.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:36.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:37.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:38.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:00:40.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:00:46.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:00:55.000 That's why we are here.

00:00:58.000 Thank you guys for being here tonight.

00:01:01.000 And my goodness, I want to thank our Turning Point USA chapter here.

00:01:04.000 Give it up for them.

00:01:05.000 I mean, to have to endure all that and go through it, it's really special.

00:01:09.000 So it answers the question.

00:01:13.000 You know, someone asked me the other day, they said, Charlie, how do you know if you're on the right side or the wrong side?

00:01:18.000 And I mean, you could just see outside.

00:01:20.000 I mean, it's pretty self-evident, right?

00:01:22.000 Not exactly happy people.

00:01:24.000 And if you have to spend your evenings trying to prevent other people from going to an optional event on a college campus, you're probably not on the right side of history.

00:01:33.000 In fact, you're probably so incredibly fragile about your own beliefs, your own life, that you try to use force to try to shut up the other side.

00:01:40.000 And by the way, give it up for the police.

00:01:42.000 They're doing a very good job out there.

00:01:44.000 They really are.

00:01:45.000 And that's a difficult position that they're in, and it's not easy at all.

00:01:51.000 So I could talk for a little bit here.

00:01:53.000 I do want to take some questions.

00:01:54.000 The main reason we're here so close to Christmas break is I think it's very important that we draw a line in the sand and do not allow the bad guys to shut us up.

00:02:05.000 I think it's a very important thing.

00:02:07.000 And free speech is fundamental to a free society.

00:02:11.000 And we had two other events this semester, both of which were canceled.

00:02:15.000 And I looked at it from afar and I said, if I have anything to say about it, we're not going to put up with that at Turning Point USA, no matter what it takes.

00:02:22.000 That if you are going to use force and mass tactics and all that nonsense to try to say that we're going to intimidate you and we're going to try to prevent you from organizing, then we're only going to want to do that even more.

00:02:34.000 And let that be a lesson.

00:02:35.000 Let it be a lesson that you cannot allow bullies to win.

00:02:38.000 And look, I mean, we're in New Mexico.

00:02:40.000 It's a land of enchantment, which I always find to be very interesting and fitting, by the way, very fitting.

00:02:47.000 Happy to talk about that as well.

00:02:49.000 I understand conservatives are outnumbered.

00:02:51.000 Fine, okay.

00:02:52.000 We can have a conversation about that.

00:02:54.000 But that doesn't mean you should allow the bad guys to win at all.

00:02:57.000 And this event tonight shows the bad guys that we're going to keep on organizing.

00:03:01.000 That you might, you know, prevent people from walking into an event and you might smear or slander or dox or say horrible names.

00:03:07.000 Who's Eric or Erica, by the way?

00:03:10.000 You are a very special person, I have to tell you.

00:03:12.000 They're chanting terrible things about you.

00:03:15.000 And I think you're great.

00:03:17.000 I really do.

00:03:19.000 We met at the church, by the way.

00:03:20.000 I remember that.

00:03:21.000 And I said, I like the name Erica.

00:03:23.000 And the bad guys get weaker when we don't give up.

00:03:28.000 Remember that.

00:03:30.000 And look, free speech is messy at times.

00:03:33.000 Free speech is necessary, though, because there's only two ways that human beings can govern themselves, through speech or force.

00:03:40.000 So you can have a society designed around having reasonable disagreement, which I hope we have tonight, and we'll invite that.

00:03:46.000 Or you can have a society like that, where the louder voice or the person who's willing to use force wins.

00:03:53.000 And honestly, I want you to think about this.

00:03:56.000 How is it any different than what those people want to have happen?

00:03:59.000 Thankfully, they didn't win.

00:04:00.000 And what's going on in communist China right now?

00:04:02.000 It's exactly the same thing.

00:04:04.000 We don't like your opinion, so we're going to try to use force to shut you up.

00:04:08.000 And thankfully, we still have some semblance of a First Amendment here.

00:04:11.000 I also want to thank the University of New Mexico.

00:04:13.000 I'm sure I gave them a headache by showing up here.

00:04:15.000 And so thank you for allowing us on campus.

00:04:18.000 I mean that.

00:04:19.000 But, and I want to just make this very clear: the reason I'm here is for a principled reason, which is if you lose speech, you lose your entire civilization, period.

00:04:27.000 It's the only thing that separates us from the beasts.

00:04:30.000 And you could totally disagree with everything that I have to say, and you might think whatever one-liner you want to think.

00:04:36.000 But to want to use force to shut that person up is a very dangerous road to get on.

00:04:41.000 So I had a whole speech prepared.

00:04:42.000 I don't have to give it.

00:04:43.000 I was going to talk about why secularism sucks, which is a whole, yeah, I could give that speech if you want.

00:04:49.000 One of the reasons, and by the way, I'm not here to overly religialize the conversation, but we can have a conversation about that.

00:04:57.000 However, my goodness, look at the fruit of secularism.

00:05:00.000 People start to make up all these fake and weird religions to replace a Judeo-Christian worldview.

00:05:06.000 How many people out there do you think are religious?

00:05:09.000 Very few, I would imagine.

00:05:11.000 How many people out there that are screaming the worst things you could scream and trying to dox other people?

00:05:16.000 How many of them do you think attend a religious service on a regular basis?

00:05:20.000 I would just probably imagine, because this is their religious ceremony, is to go out and think that they're fighting what they call white supremacy, which they can never define and they can never articulate.

00:05:32.000 And to them, it gives them meaning.

00:05:35.000 And Victor Frankl wrote a wonderful book, Man's Search for Meaning.

00:05:39.000 It's a great, it's a game-changer of a book.

00:05:40.000 It's a life-changing book, it really is.

00:05:42.000 Where he was a Holocaust survivor and he went through the process of trying to ask the question, what is life all about?

00:05:48.000 And he came to a conclusion that life is beautiful and there is good in the world and it's worth protecting and preserving.

00:05:53.000 This is a Holocaust survivor, right?

00:05:55.000 This is a guy that has every reason to give up and believe that life is nothing but a tragedy.

00:06:00.000 And he did, however, argue many times that be very afraid of what can replace a belief in God.

00:06:08.000 G.K. Chesterton, who's one of the great authors of the 20th century, said, When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing.

00:06:16.000 They'll believe in anything.

00:06:18.000 And that's much more of a threat to society than nothing.

00:06:23.000 And the people outside, they'll believe in anything.

00:06:25.000 They'll just get a sign, they start screaming, might make them feel good.

00:06:28.000 It might be therapeutic and cathartic.

00:06:30.000 I wish I could have a conversation with some of them instead of them screaming at the top of their lungs.

00:06:34.000 That's fine.

00:06:35.000 But a society that is well, that is based in things that are eternally beautiful, starting a family, having a relationship, believing in the divine, understanding the good, the true, and the beautiful, probably doesn't act like that.

00:06:51.000 And honestly, I looked at them tonight, and I mean this with all sincerity.

00:06:54.000 Those people are hurting.

00:06:56.000 They are.

00:06:57.000 You are a very miserable person to do that.

00:06:59.000 And I could make fun of it, and that's, and we probably should in some sense.

00:07:02.000 But in another sense, it's actually at a more fundamental level.

00:07:05.000 You say, you know what?

00:07:06.000 They have a very big void to fill.

00:07:08.000 I think God can only fill that void, by the way.

00:07:10.000 I really believe that.

00:07:12.000 And you might see it differently, and we can have a discourse or dialogue about that.

00:07:17.000 But in society, the outgrowths of hypersecularism get you into a place where all of a sudden man is searching for meaning in places they shouldn't be.

00:07:27.000 Protesting someone because they want to talk about free speech on campus.

00:07:31.000 Like, let's maybe encourage them to go find a significant other, get in a relationship, maybe believe in God, go to church, get a job, any job, and wake up probably before noon.

00:07:42.000 That would probably get your life some meaning.

00:07:44.000 No, seriously.

00:07:45.000 Not just acting as if you are on some sort of individual pioneer crusade to extinguish the world of evil.

00:07:53.000 You see, many of them will go home tonight and they'll feel good for a short period of time because they think they're fighting evil.

00:07:59.000 That's what's so fascinating, is that if you sat down, every single one of those protesters, it's the same thing that happened at the Tommy Larin event and the pro-life event, and they think they're doing good.

00:08:09.000 And that's why intentions mean nothing.

00:08:12.000 You know, it matters what you do, because every single one of them think they're on some sort of wonderful crusade that history will judge them nicely.

00:08:19.000 Here's just a good rule for life.

00:08:21.000 If you're trying to shut somebody up, you're probably not on the right side of history, just usually, typically.

00:08:26.000 In fact, come prove the person wrong, which is what's hilarious, is because we give the mic to the people to disagree with us at events like this.

00:08:34.000 No, no, no.

00:08:34.000 See, that right there would only be, in their opinion, justifying the white supremacy.

00:08:40.000 You see, and I hate to overly generalize, but many of the people outside, they have a belief that speech, dialogue through reason, only perpetuates a white supremacist, Westo, heteronormative, phallo, logo-centric construct.

00:08:57.000 Basically, they believe that speech is one of the reasons why we're in this mess.

00:09:02.000 Now, that's the opposite.

00:09:03.000 Speech is actually the reason why we're not tearing each other apart.

00:09:06.000 You want to go live in communist China?

00:09:08.000 Go look what it is right now.

00:09:10.000 That's what happens when you don't have speech.

00:09:11.000 It's not an exaggeration.

00:09:12.000 It's a very real thing.

00:09:14.000 There will be tens of thousands of people sent to the equivalent of gulags.

00:09:18.000 Look at Iran.

00:09:20.000 Which, by the way, very pleased we beat them in soccer.

00:09:22.000 It's a very good thing.

00:09:23.000 And by the way, it's soccer, not football, okay?

00:09:28.000 A young lady was basically sent to a prison and was beat to death because she wasn't wearing the hijab correctly.

00:09:33.000 Now, that's, I will fully acknowledge that is religious extremism.

00:09:37.000 But do you ever hear about secular extremism?

00:09:39.000 We only act as if the religious could be extreme.

00:09:42.000 Of course, the religious could be extreme.

00:09:43.000 The secular can also be very extreme.

00:09:46.000 In fact, we're living through the greatest threat to our liberty is secular extremism, not religious extremism.

00:09:51.000 They want to tell you, well, it's Christian nationalism.

00:09:53.000 They can never define it.

00:09:54.000 You know what actually people should fear a lot more than that?

00:09:57.000 Very empty people that own nothing and that are not married.

00:10:00.000 They're a very big threat to our civilization.

00:10:02.000 And I hope that they will find something that will anchor them in goodness and truth and beauty.

00:10:06.000 And only speech can do that.

00:10:08.000 So we are the speaking beings, as Aristotle would say.

00:10:11.000 And the speaking beings means we can reason.

00:10:14.000 It means that we are able to communicate, as I said, say, have dialogue.

00:10:18.000 I believe that the Bible answers the question perfectly, that we're made in the image of God and God spoke things into existence.

00:10:24.000 Speech is our ability to bring nothing into something, as the Bible would say, ex nihilo, to create something new.

00:10:31.000 When you do not have speech in a society of which we live in, which is very diverse, religiously, linguistically, and culturally, the country starts to fall apart.

00:10:42.000 That's it.

00:10:43.000 It's a binary choice.

00:10:44.000 Very few things in life, by the way, are binary.

00:10:47.000 You can either be governed by force or by speech.

00:10:49.000 The founding fathers made a decision to build a country built on speech.

00:10:54.000 And that means you might have to hear something you don't like.

00:10:56.000 But you know what's so hilarious about what we're doing tonight is that it's optional.

00:11:00.000 It's voluntary.

00:11:02.000 No one was forced to be here except the Turning Point staff, and they did a great job, by the way.

00:11:07.000 Thank you.

00:11:07.000 You are forced to be here.

00:11:08.000 That's right.

00:11:10.000 But if you don't like it, then don't show up.

00:11:12.000 And you want to know why I know Turning Point USA is making a very big difference?

00:11:15.000 Why I know Turning Point USA is moving the dial?

00:11:18.000 Why I know Turning Point USA is a big threat to the left?

00:11:21.000 Because why would an hour and 10 minute lecture warrant an 150 person protest if what we had to say wasn't resonating?

00:11:30.000 That's how I know what we're doing is working.

00:11:32.000 What I know what we are doing is working, what all of you in our chapter are doing and all of our high school chapters and everyone involved in Turning Point USA is making a difference because you don't have that many people mobilized if all of a sudden what our ideas are somehow a threat to authoritarianism and tyranny.

00:11:48.000 So I could keep talking about that.

00:11:50.000 I have other reasons why secularism is a very big issue in our country.

00:11:54.000 I'm not here to profess anything specific.

00:11:56.000 I'm a Christian, happy to talk about that.

00:11:58.000 It's great.

00:11:58.000 Highly recommend it.

00:11:59.000 It's life-changing.

00:12:00.000 And also, you get eternal life out of it.

00:12:02.000 So it's actually a pretty good deal.

00:12:04.000 However, you could believe whatever you want to believe.

00:12:05.000 We could talk about all of that.

00:12:07.000 But most importantly, I want to thank you for being here tonight.

00:12:09.000 Those of you who got spit on and harassed and doxxed.

00:12:12.000 It takes courage.

00:12:13.000 And I never thought I'd have to say that.

00:12:15.000 I hope everyone watching online recognizes and understands that what I just did is I just complimented attendees of an event for showing up.

00:12:24.000 Think about that.

00:12:26.000 I'm complimenting you for your courage, which, by the way, is very warranted, what you just had to go through.

00:12:29.000 About 50 people turned away and walked away.

00:12:31.000 I don't want to deal with this.

00:12:33.000 Things have got to change.

00:12:34.000 And how do you change them?

00:12:35.000 You don't fold and you have more events like this.

00:12:38.000 And let it be known to those people out there that I hope that they have some sort of revival in their life.

00:12:44.000 They lost tonight.

00:12:45.000 And that's a big deal.

00:12:46.000 All right, let's do some questions, guys.

00:12:48.000 Thank you.

00:12:48.000 And then, Richard, you want to line up?

00:12:50.000 And the way it works is: question, not a speech.

00:12:53.000 If you disagree, you go to the front of the line.

00:12:56.000 And we love disagreement.

00:12:58.000 In fact, that's what this event is all about.

00:13:00.000 We invite it.

00:13:01.000 And also, if you find a question objectionable or if you find a question disagreeable, please do not mock, interrupt, or boo the person you're talking to.

00:13:13.000 It is very important that different ideas are given a platform, especially at conservative events, and that we can have a dialogue and a discussion from there.

00:13:21.000 And if you disagree, go to the line and we'll go from there.

00:13:24.000 And I'll stay till they kick me off.

00:13:25.000 Okay, we'll start with the first question.

00:13:27.000 Okay.

00:13:28.000 I remember you from Steve Smotherman's Church.

00:13:30.000 I'm back in.

00:13:30.000 Yes, sir.

00:13:32.000 So, in your opinion, what's the first step to improve crime and homelessness in Albuquerque?

00:13:38.000 Yeah, well, crime is not, we don't have to overthink that.

00:13:43.000 You have to arrest more bad guys and keep them in jail longer.

00:13:47.000 I don't think that has to be overly considered.

00:13:49.000 I hate to say it, but this is no longer a safe city.

00:13:53.000 I've been coming to New Mexico for at least the last seven or eight years.

00:13:58.000 I love this place.

00:13:59.000 There's some phenomenal people here.

00:14:01.000 Notice I say some, not everyone here is phenomenal.

00:14:03.000 I'm sorry.

00:14:04.000 It's just the way it is.

00:14:05.000 Every state has good people.

00:14:06.000 I think I have to say, the fighters in New Mexico give me a lot of hope.

00:14:13.000 The chapters, the people, what you guys do is incredible.

00:14:17.000 But New Mexico and Albuquerque, it's become a profoundly dangerous city, and the statistics show that.

00:14:23.000 And just being, I mean, I talked to, last time I was here a couple weeks ago, I spoke at Steve Smotherman's church.

00:14:28.000 I just started asking questions.

00:14:29.000 I said, do you feel safe in your own city?

00:14:32.000 And when people say, no, I don't, you've got a very serious problem.

00:14:37.000 And I don't know what the breaking point of that is going to be.

00:14:40.000 Obviously, there needs to be, I think, some political changes there.

00:14:43.000 That didn't happen.

00:14:44.000 So the best way to protect yourself is have a firearm on you at all times when you are in Albuquerque.

00:14:50.000 I wish I didn't have to say that, but that's true.

00:14:53.000 And then finally, I hope that at some point a return to sanity is restored and the bad guys could be locked up for longer.

00:15:00.000 Because you start to see this.

00:15:04.000 Crime hurts all people, but it's going to hurt working class, lower middle class people the most.

00:15:09.000 They don't have access to bodyguards or gated communities as much.

00:15:14.000 And so safety will end up becoming a luxury of the elite, which is exactly where they're leading us to.

00:15:20.000 That's where Brazil is.

00:15:21.000 That's how a lot of these third world countries are.

00:15:23.000 So as far as homelessness has to be done with compassion and justice mixed together.

00:15:28.000 I do not believe the street is your home, period.

00:15:31.000 I believe that you should be brought to a shelter with a meal, with compassion, but you should not be able to just post up on the side of the street, which is unsanitary.

00:15:39.000 It's bad for the person.

00:15:40.000 It's bad for everybody.

00:15:41.000 It becomes a place, especially for homeless women, where they get raped regularly.

00:15:45.000 It shouldn't be tolerated or allowed.

00:15:47.000 Open-air vagrancy, I believe, is depressing.

00:15:50.000 The non-homeless person, all of us.

00:15:52.000 And it's also, it's an insult to actually the homeless person.

00:15:54.000 I think they could do better than that.

00:15:56.000 And I don't think that we should all of a sudden platform, in my opinion, the incredible increase in people that are truly suffering and say, well, you know, the street is their home.

00:16:04.000 I reject the premise.

00:16:06.000 I think it's bad for everybody involved.

00:16:07.000 Thanks for your question.

00:16:08.000 I appreciate it.

00:16:09.000 Thank you again.

00:16:09.000 Thanks.

00:16:13.000 All righty.

00:16:14.000 So I don't know if you know, probably do, but New Mexico is the late-term abortion capital of the country.

00:16:19.000 I do know.

00:16:20.000 And I believe of the world.

00:16:21.000 And our governor has been promoting it and funding it.

00:16:24.000 And we've had so many abortion clinics just come into the state and move to the state over the past just a couple months.

00:16:31.000 So I was just curious what you would say is the most effective to combat abortion and our government, our governor in that way.

00:16:38.000 I mean, in New Mexico, it's tough.

00:16:40.000 I mean, abortion should be outlawed, but that's a separate issue.

00:16:42.000 That's not going to happen here.

00:16:43.000 The opposite is happening here, unfortunately.

00:16:46.000 I believe there's a spiritual component to this.

00:16:48.000 I mean, it's how you could butcher a late-term baby is just beyond me.

00:16:53.000 It's just unbelievable.

00:16:54.000 So, look, you got to get involved in the space of convincing people that there are resources available, supporting the pregnancy crisis centers, letting them know that they are loved and that that is a human being.

00:17:05.000 And unfortunately, Albuquerque is now becoming kind of a destination point for abortion tourism across the country where people come here just to be able to have abortions.

00:17:15.000 Life begins at conception.

00:17:17.000 Life is something that human life is worthy of preservation and protection, no matter how big you are and no matter where you are.

00:17:24.000 So it doesn't matter if you're in the womb or outside of the womb, human life needs to be protected.

00:17:28.000 It's a long fight here in Albuquerque, but I really want to commend the churches and the nonprofits that are working very hard in this.

00:17:36.000 And we have to try to contest and fight for a culture of life.

00:17:39.000 We really do.

00:17:40.000 And I mean, how it ever got to be this way, I don't know because there's so many great people here in New Mexico.

00:17:46.000 And it's just so, at least in my personal opinion, in my experience, so wildly misrepresentative of the average person in this beautiful state.

00:17:55.000 But so be it.

00:17:56.000 And you got to fight it and you have to try to expose it.

00:18:00.000 Psalm 97:10 has a beautiful thing.

00:18:02.000 It says, if you love God, you must hate evil.

00:18:04.000 And there's a lot of evil to hate in New Mexico, I got to tell you.

00:18:08.000 And it being the late-term abortion capital of America, if not the world, I mean, the abortion policies here in New Mexico are more extreme than almost all of Western Europe.

00:18:17.000 It's more extreme than almost every country.

00:18:19.000 It's one of the worst on the planet.

00:18:21.000 You got to keep fighting it.

00:18:22.000 God bless you.

00:18:23.000 Thank you.

00:18:28.000 So I just had a question regarding the general term of racism.

00:18:33.000 Why is it marginalized to bully people more implicative, not of their behaviors or anything, but more to be informally intolerant of whatever they have to say?

00:18:46.000 Yeah, so that's a good question.

00:18:48.000 So unfortunately, when we talk about racism, the left is talking about something completely different.

00:18:54.000 So they basically want to strip you of your identity as an individual.

00:18:58.000 It's one of the big goals of the collectivist left.

00:19:02.000 I keep talking about China because it's in the news, but the Chinese Communist Party completely agrees with this.

00:19:07.000 No individual, therefore, no individual rights, no right to speech, no right to privacy.

00:19:11.000 You're a member of a collective, right?

00:19:13.000 Now, there is some truth that we're member to groups, right?

00:19:15.000 We're a member of a country, but we're first individuals.

00:19:18.000 And this country recognized that first and foremost.

00:19:21.000 So if I were to venture a guess, when you and I talk about racism, we talk about XYZ person being racist, you know, another person.

00:19:26.000 That's wrong, that's terrible.

00:19:28.000 When the left talks about racism, they're talking about power.

00:19:32.000 They're saying the group of white people, by their existence, by their structures, by their success, is being, is exploiting another group just because they exist.

00:19:44.000 And they do not want to look at people as individuals.

00:19:47.000 They want to collectivize the entire society.

00:19:50.000 Needless to say, this is wrong.

00:19:52.000 It's immoral.

00:19:53.000 It's evil.

00:19:55.000 And the byproduct of it is an incredibly, let's say, dangerous society to live in, where if you tell a young person you're nothing more than a member of a group, not an individual, you're creating an actual racist society, which is exactly where they're leading us.

00:20:12.000 And it's so disempowering, isn't it?

00:20:14.000 If you tell a person on both ways, you're white and you're evil just because of the color of your skin, and then you tell a black person, you're oppressed just because of the color of your skin.

00:20:23.000 What you've just done is told somebody that they have irredeemable sin, and you told the other person that they have a mountain that they can never climb.

00:20:31.000 That's disempowering for both people.

00:20:34.000 What you have done is you have created basically a, you are guilty and you can never become clean, which is like the new ways.

00:20:43.000 Like you will be racist for the rest of time, and you must continually atone for it, and you're never going to reach it, despite the premise itself being completely and totally flawed.

00:20:52.000 And so, look, the constant incantation of everything being racist has a strategy.

00:20:57.000 Critical race theory, best summarized, is call everything racist until I control it.

00:21:02.000 That's what CRT is.

00:21:04.000 Thank you for being here tonight.

00:21:05.000 I appreciate it.

00:21:05.000 Thanks.

00:21:08.000 And if you disagree, feel free to cut in line, guys.

00:21:11.000 Hey there, Charlie.

00:21:13.000 I just want to preface this by I don't consider myself conservative nor liberal.

00:21:19.000 I don't like those terms.

00:21:20.000 I think that they're silly, they're stupid, and it causes for more division in our country.

00:21:24.000 That being said, how would you combat the division that's happening in our country?

00:21:30.000 I mean, it's extreme.

00:21:31.000 I mean, it's insane.

00:21:33.000 And I think that there's something that we need to do besides just liberal and conservative.

00:21:42.000 You know, that's way too, that's, it just splits in two.

00:21:47.000 Okay.

00:21:48.000 Yeah.

00:21:48.000 I mean, I think that the country is divided, not necessarily through liberal and conservative, more through the decent and the indecent, right now at least.

00:21:58.000 And I think you would agree, it wouldn't be characteristic for conservatives to act like the people outside, right?

00:22:05.000 So, and there's difference between liberals and leftists.

00:22:09.000 I think you could probably agree, right?

00:22:10.000 I think that's probably fair.

00:22:12.000 Look, I think part of how you bridge the divide is what we try to do at Turning Point USA.

00:22:17.000 I am 100% conservative, and I own it.

00:22:20.000 But if you disagree, tell me why.

00:22:22.000 And maybe we're going to hate each other less afterwards, right?

00:22:26.000 And I think that's actually, I believe speech heals a lot of sins.

00:22:30.000 I really do.

00:22:31.000 And I think what you saw outside, that's going to get you closer to conflict than anything else.

00:22:36.000 Screaming at people, having awfully, you know, expletive-filled signs, preventing people from entering.

00:22:42.000 They always say, you know, oh, yeah, the country is divided.

00:22:45.000 Yes, I mean, I think we're divided on certain issues.

00:22:50.000 However, I actually think the vast majority of Americans find what happened out there despicable.

00:22:55.000 I really do.

00:22:56.000 I think that most Americans don't think that is acceptable and okay.

00:22:59.000 We have to talk to each other more.

00:23:01.000 I think you would agree with that, right?

00:23:03.000 No, I totally agree.

00:23:04.000 I actually, I really appreciate that you said that.

00:23:07.000 Most people wouldn't agree with what's happening out there.

00:23:11.000 I mean, even a lot of the liberal people I talk to, they would 100% agree that that is outrageous.

00:23:17.000 It is silly and goofy in all its ways.

00:23:21.000 I think it's best to look at people in a more positive light and not let the negativity be the biggest factor of our dislike towards a group of people.

00:23:33.000 That's just silly.

00:23:35.000 Yeah, and you could have negativity, but then it's also how do you handle it, right?

00:23:40.000 So there's thoughts and actions.

00:23:41.000 You could have horrible thoughts about somebody, but then how are you going to handle it?

00:23:45.000 How about show up to the event like an adult, sit through what somebody has to say, and then ask a question?

00:23:50.000 Right?

00:23:51.000 You could have the thoughts, but then act like it's someone who actually wants to be part of a society, not the Lord of the Flies.

00:23:57.000 Thanks for being here tonight.

00:23:58.000 I appreciate it.

00:23:59.000 Appreciate your time.

00:24:04.000 Okay, so you claim to be a Christian, correct?

00:24:08.000 I am a Christian.

00:24:09.000 Yes.

00:24:10.000 So I just want to know, as a conservative in a very political setting, as someone who's very, very open about your politics, obviously, that's why you're here.

00:24:10.000 I am as well.

00:24:21.000 I would like to know how you balance allowing the Bible and your religion and what you believe influence your political beliefs instead of your political beliefs influencing your religion.

00:24:34.000 Because I, as a Christian, see a lot of my Christians' friends do this, and they are hyper-Republican and hyper-conservative before they are Christians instead of Christians before they are political.

00:24:44.000 Okay.

00:24:45.000 That's a fair question.

00:24:46.000 I think it's okay either way, but my Christianity comes first.

00:24:50.000 And I'll tell you why it's okay either way, because if you are a true conservative, if you are a true Christian, then you are going to have a conservative disposition.

00:24:58.000 For example, you're going to want to protect children from suffering.

00:25:01.000 You're going to want to protect the institution of marriage.

00:25:04.000 You're going to want to protect distinctions, which is a religious Christian belief.

00:25:08.000 For example, the Bible, one of the main themes of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, is distinctions, right?

00:25:14.000 Man and woman, good and evil, right and wrong.

00:25:18.000 And the modern leftist movement is trying to destroy distinctions in a lot of different ways.

00:25:22.000 But my Christianity is the basis of my belief.

00:25:25.000 So, for example, as a Christian, I believe that people are not inherently good.

00:25:29.000 Therefore, I think we should organize government appropriately.

00:25:32.000 Meaning, since people are not good, you better make it really hard to get power.

00:25:37.000 Founding Fathers agreed with me, by the way.

00:25:39.000 Okay?

00:25:40.000 I also believe that there is a God and I am not him.

00:25:44.000 Yeah, sorry, please interject.

00:25:45.000 So, follow-up question with that.

00:25:46.000 I am a Christian, and I 100% agree with you.

00:25:49.000 I just also would like to know: do you truly fear God?

00:25:53.000 Yeah, of course I do.

00:25:54.000 Yes.

00:25:55.000 Is that not clear?

00:25:58.000 No, just curious.

00:26:00.000 I mean, I do fear God.

00:26:01.000 I also love God, too.

00:26:02.000 Yeah.

00:26:03.000 But yes, the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, as it says multiple times in the scriptures.

00:26:09.000 But yes, I do.

00:26:10.000 And I also believe that when you lie, you cheat, you steal, or you are in defiance of the Ten Commandments, you know, you're actively rebelling against a God who loves you.

00:26:20.000 Thank goodness we have Jesus, because I can't keep up with all the rules.

00:26:25.000 I 100% agree.

00:26:27.000 Just curious, because I know that a lot of politicians that claim to be Christians, and obviously the fruit is in your life.

00:26:35.000 There's evidence that you are truly a Christian and that you fear God.

00:26:39.000 When asked that question, a lot of them back down and they go, oh, I don't know.

00:26:43.000 So I hope my actions throughout the course of my career show that more than my words, because words are cheap.

00:26:49.000 Actions are earned.

00:26:50.000 Thank you for being here tonight.

00:26:51.000 God bless you.

00:26:51.000 Thank you.

00:26:57.000 Hi, Car.

00:26:58.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:27:00.000 Not a congressman.

00:27:01.000 I'm kidding.

00:27:02.000 Keep going.

00:27:03.000 There will always be a portion of the population that won't believe in God, and you claim that number is growing.

00:27:08.000 How do you reach out to them without using religious messaging?

00:27:12.000 And yes, that number is growing.

00:27:12.000 It's a good question.

00:27:14.000 I think you would, it's just a fact, right?

00:27:16.000 So it's okay not to believe in God in a political context, but you have to acknowledge the consequences of what happens when a society doesn't believe in God.

00:27:28.000 I think that's a very important thing.

00:27:30.000 That if you remove God from the equation, and Sam Harris did his best, but I think failed and fell short, in my opinion, to address this in his book, The Moral Landscape, exquisitely written, but still I think the argument comes short, is right and wrong becomes merely an opinion if you remove God.

00:27:49.000 That's a fact.

00:27:51.000 There is no other way that you can get to objective morality if you remove a belief in God.

00:27:57.000 Okay.

00:27:58.000 However, if someone is an atheist or you're secular or you're agnostic and you're here tonight, welcome.

00:28:03.000 I'm glad you're here.

00:28:03.000 I mean that.

00:28:06.000 You could still start, you could still believe in the fruits of the natural law.

00:28:13.000 So, for example, you could be secular and still believe that children and their innocence should be protected.

00:28:19.000 Okay, great.

00:28:21.000 That means that you believe in the natural law.

00:28:22.000 We're saying the same thing.

00:28:23.000 I believe there's a natural lawgiver, and a designer of that natural law didn't just kind of fall randomly into the sky.

00:28:30.000 However, if you, and I say this a lot, for example, one of my very special friends is Dr. James Lindsay, who's a secular agnostic.

00:28:40.000 He's spectacular.

00:28:41.000 I think he's done more good for liberty than most Christians have the last couple years because he fights against CRT, fights for religious liberty, and fights for individual agency against this kind of wokeism mob stuff.

00:28:55.000 God bless him.

00:28:56.000 He lasts when I say God bless him, right?

00:28:58.000 So I'm happy to partner, align, work with people that are non-religious.

00:29:04.000 However, I will not waver from where does that morality come from?

00:29:08.000 I mean, it does come from a belief in a higher power.

00:29:11.000 In fact, our entire civilization is an outgrowth of that.

00:29:13.000 Do you have a follow-up thought?

00:29:14.000 Thank you.

00:29:14.000 No, that's it.

00:29:15.000 Thanks for being here, Dan.

00:29:15.000 All right.

00:29:20.000 Well, I'm sorry to bring this up, but you know, I'm part Apache, I'm part Mexican.

00:29:26.000 And, you know, I've been thinking, shouldn't America, white America, acknowledge, I guess, some of the wrongs that the white colonists have imposed on Native tribes?

00:29:37.000 And if so, how can we correct that?

00:29:42.000 Okay, I think that's probably been done, right?

00:29:45.000 Correct me if I'm wrong, is there not a federal Bureau of they call Indian Affairs, but Native American affairs, right?

00:29:52.000 They do a very poor job at what they're doing.

00:29:54.000 Oh, I agree with that.

00:29:55.000 I mean, anything government touches is awful, but the whole premise, the premise of the program was quasi-apologetic reparations, wasn't it?

00:30:05.000 Now, what I will say, though, is the question I'll take a little bit of an objection to.

00:30:12.000 Let me tell you why.

00:30:13.000 I'm white, and I don't owe anybody an apology for something I did not individually do.

00:30:20.000 I had nothing to do with the exploitation of Native Americans.

00:30:23.000 I think it was wrong.

00:30:24.000 I think it's wrong what Andrew Jackson did.

00:30:26.000 Abraham Lincoln was no hero either.

00:30:28.000 But I'm my own individual, my own person.

00:30:30.000 So I'm not going to apologize on behalf of a skin group, nor should I think anyone should be compelled to do the same.

00:30:38.000 Now, as far as how to empower Indigenous people and Native American tribes, we've done everything wrong.

00:30:46.000 Native American communities are the worst example of socialist failed experiments, in my personal opinion.

00:30:52.000 High government dependency, widespread corruption, abuse by elders.

00:30:56.000 If you want to look at where the government has messed up terribly, it's on Native American reservations.

00:31:02.000 And so I'm not going to apologize for something I didn't do, but I will recognize that there has been about a 30 to 40 year mistreatment, mostly designed by big government liberals, by the way, coming in with a lot of promises to these reservations.

00:31:16.000 And unfortunately, the statistics show that most Native American reservations are the most alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted, suicidal, and hopeless square miles in America.

00:31:29.000 Any thoughts?

00:31:30.000 No, thank you very much.

00:31:32.000 Thanks for being here.

00:31:33.000 Appreciate it.

00:31:38.000 How's it going?

00:31:40.000 So I guess the question that I had in mind was, as it relates to free speech, I guess what do you have as potentially its limits?

00:31:53.000 Yeah, that's a good question.

00:31:55.000 We're nowhere near that.

00:31:56.000 So I think reasonable protections for children in particular.

00:32:04.000 It will appear that I'm contradicting myself, but I'm not.

00:32:07.000 I don't think pornography is speech.

00:32:09.000 I don't.

00:32:10.000 I actually think it should be harder to consume pornography in America.

00:32:13.000 I think it's one of the great pollutants of our society that has damaged so many young people and young men in particular and increasingly young women.

00:32:20.000 I'm not saying you should make it illegal, but I think, actually, I would think you should make it illegal.

00:32:25.000 But I think that that's not realistic, right?

00:32:28.000 I think you could actually take the European model where, okay, you have to put a credit card and you have to put some sort of age verification system.

00:32:34.000 But that's always brought up, right?

00:32:37.000 People say, well, what about pornography?

00:32:39.000 I just don't think that is anywhere near where the founding fathers were intending what freedom of speech should be for.

00:32:45.000 I don't think when they were writing the First Amendment, they were saying, you know why we rebelled against the British?

00:32:52.000 So people could look at two dudes, you know.

00:32:55.000 I don't think that's, I don't think that was the moral premise of separation.

00:32:59.000 I don't.

00:33:00.000 However, I have to say our limits should be very, very carefully enforced.

00:33:06.000 I mean, Lord Acton had one of the great quotes.

00:33:09.000 No, I'm sorry, it wasn't Lord Acton.

00:33:10.000 It was William Blackstone who said it's better for nine guilty people to walk than an innocent person to go to jail, right, out of ten people, right?

00:33:19.000 That's his famous quote.

00:33:20.000 I think the same is for speech.

00:33:22.000 I think it's better for nine cases to go uncensored than for one wrong case to go censored.

00:33:28.000 So I draw the line with children, unapologetically.

00:33:32.000 I had a very bizarre question the other day.

00:33:34.000 Someone said, well, Charlie, you're for free speech.

00:33:36.000 Why don't you stand for public nudity?

00:33:40.000 And I said, that's very interesting.

00:33:43.000 We're really expanding speech, aren't we?

00:33:46.000 And the answer is very, again, it was actually fascinating.

00:33:49.000 If you go look at the San Francisco City Council meeting when they were debating public nudity, at first it failed to pass.

00:33:57.000 And you know what the objection was for the secularists in San Francisco?

00:34:01.000 Sanitation.

00:34:02.000 They said it wasn't clean.

00:34:05.000 Public nudity wasn't clean.

00:34:06.000 So eventually they passed it because they had no moral objection.

00:34:09.000 No, you owe it to the children of your society not to see naked people around because the innocence of children needs to be protected.

00:34:17.000 So, you know, it's very interesting.

00:34:18.000 We constantly fight against air pollution.

00:34:21.000 We hate air pollution, right?

00:34:22.000 Environmentalist.

00:34:23.000 We fight against water pollution.

00:34:25.000 Do we ever fight against soul pollution?

00:34:28.000 Like maybe the thing that the innocent person shouldn't be seeing that made them innocent no longer?

00:34:34.000 So I think you have to use prudence.

00:34:36.000 But again, my line is usually it's better to allow a questionable case to speak than not.

00:34:43.000 That would usually be my rule.

00:34:45.000 Just a quick follow-up on that one.

00:34:45.000 Okay.

00:34:48.000 Because as it relates to speech, the idea of speech, I think in at least the Aristilian sense, is that it's supposed to be to produce truth.

00:34:56.000 That's correct.

00:34:57.000 Or speech.

00:34:58.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:34:58.000 To pursue it.

00:35:00.000 The logos.

00:35:00.000 And I guess with that, at what point do we limit the use of speech for non-truth?

00:35:07.000 I guess, because at some point, if that does not occur, it appears that the truth is a matter of public opinion.

00:35:15.000 Yeah, are you Catholic?

00:35:16.000 I could tell.

00:35:16.000 Yes.

00:35:17.000 Yeah.

00:35:21.000 No one mentions Aristotle unless they're Catholic.

00:35:24.000 I mean that as a compliment.

00:35:25.000 I do.

00:35:26.000 I'm a big Aristotle guy.

00:35:27.000 The question is who decides?

00:35:29.000 You're right.

00:35:30.000 And so, unfortunately, in the current regime, we have to yield to neutrality.

00:35:36.000 It's just the way it is.

00:35:37.000 The only hope we have to be able to speak truth is the demand for neutrality.

00:35:41.000 Okay?

00:35:42.000 You have to.

00:35:43.000 Now, what's hilarious, though, is they don't want neutrality, they being the collectivists and the authoritarians and the dictators.

00:35:49.000 And so they will say, well, so a classically liberal answer to that, an enlightenment answer to that, a non-Aristotelian answer, which would be more Spinozan, right?

00:35:59.000 Would say, but how do you know what truth is?

00:36:01.000 So you just let everybody speak, right?

00:36:04.000 I'm actually okay with that right now, because at least I get to speak.

00:36:08.000 Okay?

00:36:09.000 The problem is that they want it the other way.

00:36:14.000 They want to say, no, no, only we get to speak and you don't.

00:36:18.000 So I just think right now it's a wildly unrealistic question, respectfully, right?

00:36:22.000 But I will say the mechanics of speech, when properly employed throughout periods of time, does approximate you closer to the logos, to the truth.

00:36:31.000 It does, especially if you allow people that hopefully are very serious about their study to be able to express their opinions freely.

00:36:41.000 But I'm happy to explore that more with you.

00:36:43.000 Thank you.

00:36:43.000 God bless you.

00:36:47.000 Hey, how's it going?

00:36:48.000 I was curious, how would you go about fighting Marxist indoctrination on college campuses and high schools?

00:36:55.000 Just more of this.

00:36:55.000 Turning point USA has got to grow.

00:36:57.000 I got to tell you.

00:36:58.000 We've got to keep on fighting, do more videos, do more content.

00:37:01.000 I think that, look, as far as when it goes to Marxist indoctrination, which is a very, very real thing, and it's a very big threat to our society.

00:37:10.000 I'm a big believer in, obviously, truth and spreading it.

00:37:15.000 And actually, a piggyback on the previous question, because I could connect the two.

00:37:18.000 This is where education, I think, gets blurred a little bit.

00:37:22.000 So some people will misunderstand when I talk about free speech and freedom of dialogue.

00:37:27.000 And they say, well, Charlie, then why don't you want to teach a fourth grader critical race theory?

00:37:32.000 Because freedom of speech.

00:37:34.000 An educational setting is not the public square.

00:37:38.000 It's not, especially for third, fourth, and fifth graders.

00:37:40.000 You're there to teach them something.

00:37:42.000 You're there to instruct them something.

00:37:44.000 You're not there to hear about their opinions.

00:37:46.000 I couldn't care less what a third grader has to tell me about politics.

00:37:49.000 I couldn't care less.

00:37:50.000 And you shouldn't either, okay?

00:37:52.000 Like they got to do some work and they got to read something that they didn't write that was written by somebody smart and wise.

00:37:58.000 And then I could hear about maybe when they're in high school.

00:37:59.000 I all hear about third, fourth, and it's like, oh, well, you know, the fourth graders really understand climate change.

00:38:04.000 They don't understand anything.

00:38:06.000 They need to be taught something.

00:38:06.000 Okay?

00:38:08.000 And so when it comes to the instruction of Marxism, I think we have to be very clear what is the purpose of education.

00:38:16.000 The classical interpretation of education is to lead forth.

00:38:20.000 It's what the Latin word literally means, to lead forth towards enlightenment or to truth.

00:38:24.000 If you're familiar with Plato's allegory of the cave, the word education actually means that story, to bring you from assimilation into enlightenment.

00:38:32.000 That's what education is supposed to be.

00:38:33.000 But also it means that you're supposed to have a specific destination in mind, which the Greeks would call the teleological or telos, the direction.

00:38:42.000 It's not supposed to just be a hodgepodge where we throw a bunch of things at kids and they get to decide.

00:38:47.000 And so then you say, okay, Charlie, then what do you decide?

00:38:50.000 What do you want to do?

00:38:51.000 I want kids to understand good, true, and beautiful things.

00:38:55.000 I want them to know the best society has to offer.

00:38:58.000 That's what I want them to know.

00:39:00.000 I want them to know why is it that this civilization has been as successful as it has been?

00:39:08.000 That's a good thing for society.

00:39:11.000 I don't need them to hear about the garbage or the propaganda about why this country is awful and evil, misogynistic, and colonialistic.

00:39:18.000 It's not what education is for.

00:39:19.000 It's not.

00:39:20.000 Someone would disagree.

00:39:21.000 Like, that's exactly what education is for.

00:39:22.000 Okay?

00:39:24.000 Well, only one side can win, I suppose.

00:39:26.000 And they say, well, I want to hear both sides.

00:39:28.000 And I always hear, they say, like, so you have a fourth grader, right?

00:39:30.000 Limited attention span, increasingly so because of TikTok.

00:39:33.000 You only get so much.

00:39:34.000 TikTok is garbage, by the way.

00:39:35.000 It's a terrible thing.

00:39:36.000 You only get so much attention with a kid, right?

00:39:38.000 You only get so much time to talk to them.

00:39:41.000 So let me get this straight.

00:39:42.000 Do we talk about both sides of the flat earth theory?

00:39:48.000 Yeah, so you say, okay, let's teach the kids equal time that the earth is flat and equal time that the earth is circular.

00:39:57.000 Okay.

00:39:58.000 Or spherical.

00:39:59.000 I'm sorry, spherical, not circular.

00:40:01.000 Do we do equal time?

00:40:03.000 Of course not.

00:40:03.000 It's silly.

00:40:03.000 We know that.

00:40:04.000 Do we do bloodletting?

00:40:05.000 Seminars?

00:40:06.000 Like, you know, there's an interesting theory that used to exist where you could get rid of your viruses by slitting your wrists.

00:40:12.000 It's rubbish.

00:40:13.000 You don't teach things that aren't true.

00:40:16.000 You have to know what is true before you ever step foot into an education setting.

00:40:21.000 And if you're afraid to say that there's objective truth, you should not be a teacher.

00:40:25.000 You should be a student.

00:40:26.000 Thank you.

00:40:27.000 I appreciate that.

00:40:33.000 So as I was walking through the walk of shame, I think that's what they called it, I started getting called from them, like being yelled at.

00:40:43.000 And then eventually I got called Brown.

00:40:45.000 So I don't know what that means because they were saying how they were like white supremacists, how we are right supremacists.

00:40:51.000 Then they called me Brown and I shouldn't, and I was on the wrong side.

00:40:53.000 That's what they were saying.

00:40:54.000 So then it started making me think about it, because then you also mentioned it in your opening remarks: how they're always attacking us, but they're never doing this.

00:41:04.000 Right?

00:41:04.000 And so I wanted to kind of know your thoughts on that, on why is it that they don't have stuff like this, how they're always focused on just trying not to let us do this, but they're not focused on doing it themselves.

00:41:19.000 Thank you for being here.

00:41:20.000 That's a wonderful question.

00:41:21.000 They don't believe speech is a value.

00:41:24.000 Their viewpoint is that speech is white supremacy.

00:41:29.000 If you read Jacques Derrida, who is one of the most cited, yeah, thank you.

00:41:37.000 That's well said.

00:41:38.000 He's one of the most cited and influential postmodernist thinkers of the last 50 or 60 years.

00:41:44.000 He had a term that I kind of blitzed through, okay?

00:41:47.000 Where he said the West is fallow-logo-centric.

00:41:52.000 Phallow, meaning the phallus, it is dominated by men.

00:41:55.000 Logo, logos, in the Greek, truth, speech, reason, rational dialogue, all those things are replacement terms.

00:42:02.000 Centric.

00:42:04.000 And he said, this is the problem with the West.

00:42:07.000 Men talking, that's the center.

00:42:11.000 And so, therefore, in the postmodernist view, and you can read One Dimensional Man by Herbert Marcuse, you could read Intro to Critical Theory by all of the by Derek Bell didn't write intro to critical theory.

00:42:25.000 But anyway, they talk about how speech is not something that we should embrace.

00:42:30.000 That it's dangerous, that it's a trick, that actually all of you are being fooled by being here.

00:42:35.000 That the fact we're talking is actually Charlie being a white supremacist and hoodwinking you to believe that everything should remain the same.

00:42:46.000 I find that to be laughable and objectionable.

00:42:49.000 That's a growing view in America.

00:42:52.000 That's what used to run Twitter.

00:42:53.000 It doesn't anymore, thanks to Elon Musk.

00:42:55.000 Elon Musk believes in speech.

00:42:56.000 Praise God he does.

00:42:57.000 It's a big deal.

00:42:59.000 Because every single totalitarian regime has two things in common: they must shut up people who disagree with them, always.

00:43:08.000 From Lenin to Mao to right now in the CCP, to what Twitter used to be.

00:43:12.000 And number two, they think they're doing good.

00:43:15.000 If you interviewed Hitler a year before he committed suicide and you said, do you think you're doing good?

00:43:21.000 He's convinced he was doing the right thing.

00:43:26.000 Everyone out there thinks they're doing the right thing.

00:43:28.000 You know how you find out?

00:43:29.000 You got to defend your position against someone who disagrees.

00:43:32.000 Speech.

00:43:33.000 If you don't talk, you get radical very quickly.

00:43:35.000 And that's what's happening in our country.

00:43:37.000 Thank you for being here.

00:43:38.000 Appreciate it.

00:43:38.000 And thanks for fighting through that.

00:43:43.000 So you talked a lot tonight about things that are good and true and beautiful.

00:43:47.000 And so this brought to mind one of my favorite questions, which is: what does it mean to be good?

00:43:53.000 It's a great question.

00:43:53.000 What does it mean to be good?

00:43:55.000 I would say, first and foremost, to glorify God, to protect what is eternal, that which always lasts.

00:44:03.000 We could spend two hours talking about two semesters talking about what is good.

00:44:08.000 I think Aristotle got it closest to right.

00:44:10.000 The first line of Aristotle's ethics is that every art, every inquiry, every action points towards some good.

00:44:15.000 So what Aristotle is saying is the same thing I've been saying, which is if you take out the kind of mentally insane, okay, outside of the equation, okay?

00:44:24.000 Every person, including a bad person, thinks they are doing good.

00:44:27.000 Therefore, the most important question that you can wrestle with a young person is what is good?

00:44:34.000 That's the most important thing.

00:44:36.000 Because right now, you have an entire movement on the left that is committed, they are doing good.

00:44:42.000 And then you have an entire movement on the right that thinks they are doing good.

00:44:45.000 Somebody has to be right.

00:44:46.000 Somebody has to be wrong.

00:44:47.000 Or they both could be wrong.

00:44:49.000 But the point is that they're both convinced that their actions are leading towards a good.

00:44:52.000 So what is the good?

00:44:55.000 Best way I could say it in my own metaphysical view is to glorify God, to bring people closer to Him, to conserve the best and the beautiful.

00:45:04.000 And you might say, Well, Charlie, give me an example.

00:45:06.000 What is beautiful?

00:45:08.000 Well, I could go through natural beauty.

00:45:09.000 You're surrounded by it in New Mexico.

00:45:12.000 I could go through the beauty of how incredible it is to create life.

00:45:17.000 We just welcome the daughter into the world.

00:45:19.000 Very beautiful thing, by the way.

00:45:26.000 The good needs to be protected with courage.

00:45:31.000 And one of the reasons why people say there's no good in the world, which is just not true, is the courage of allowed evil to overtake good far too often.

00:45:38.000 So that's the best answer I could give to that.

00:45:41.000 Thank you.

00:45:45.000 Hey, Charlie, thanks for coming.

00:45:48.000 It's not God's will that any should perish, but come to repentance and have eternal life.

00:45:52.000 Many Democrats are quick to label Bible believers as homophobic and transphobic if we don't tolerate or denounce it as sin.

00:45:59.000 So how do we bridge the gap and share the truth with them?

00:46:03.000 Yeah, it's a great question.

00:46:05.000 So bridging the gap, I can't really help with that, I'll be honest.

00:46:10.000 Because, I mean, I say that because I say these things and I get protests, right?

00:46:14.000 Look, I believe marriage is between one man and one woman.

00:46:16.000 And I believe this trans thing is one of the most insidious and poisonous movements happening in America right now.

00:46:22.000 And you might have your own personal opinions about this, but if you think that it's okay to teach an eight-year-old that you could change your gender or your sex, I think you're completely wrong.

00:46:30.000 I think it's immoral to put an 11-year-old into surgery because they think that there's something they're not.

00:46:36.000 The whole point of being a child is you're more fascinated with imagination than reality.

00:46:40.000 That's what being a child is.

00:46:43.000 You grow up, you say, well, you know, people say, grow up.

00:46:45.000 You know what you say when you grow up?

00:46:46.000 It means get back to reality, is what it means.

00:46:49.000 So, look, as far as bridging the gap, this is one of the reasons why the education system has done so much damage in our country, is you have to stay true to the natural law.

00:47:00.000 And then this is why understanding the Bible is so important.

00:47:03.000 And by the way, any of you can propose a better guide than the Bible.

00:47:06.000 You're welcome to come up at any time and tell me what book you think is a better manual for humanity.

00:47:11.000 I mean that.

00:47:12.000 I'm open to any other book, which is distinctions.

00:47:16.000 Life makes sense when you have distinctions.

00:47:19.000 It just does.

00:47:21.000 The Bible is so clear about the need of separation and distinctions.

00:47:26.000 The distinction of good and evil, man and woman, animal and human, which is a very big one, by the way.

00:47:33.000 We don't talk enough about that.

00:47:34.000 And this is one of the things that the radical animal activists are involved in.

00:47:40.000 By the way, if I asked, just by a show of hands, those of you that have dogs that you care about, if your dog was drowning or a stranger was drowning, who would save your dog?

00:47:49.000 Raise your hand.

00:47:51.000 Okay?

00:47:52.000 A couple of hands.

00:47:53.000 Who would save the stranger?

00:47:54.000 Okay.

00:47:54.000 It shouldn't even be close.

00:47:56.000 No offense, you should let your dog die because your heart is misleading you.

00:48:00.000 The dog and the human are not on equal moral footing.

00:48:05.000 You may love your dog, but your heart is misleading you.

00:48:07.000 It talks about that all throughout the Bible.

00:48:09.000 The human is made in the image of God.

00:48:11.000 The dog is not made in the image of God.

00:48:12.000 The human has a soul, the dog does not.

00:48:14.000 I could go on.

00:48:14.000 Okay?

00:48:15.000 How do we convince them?

00:48:17.000 You got to try your best in a short period of time to talk about the natural law.

00:48:22.000 Good luck.

00:48:22.000 It's not easy, right?

00:48:24.000 I totally understand that my position is deeply unpopular in an ever-secular society.

00:48:31.000 Thank you.

00:48:31.000 Appreciate it.

00:48:36.000 Again, if you disagree, feel free to hop on in.

00:48:39.000 Go ahead.

00:48:40.000 Hey.

00:48:41.000 So I got my undergraduate degree in public health, and through my whole college experience, it seemed like one answer, like one opinion was being pushed.

00:48:50.000 Outside of college, most of these public health organizations and departments, department of health organizations, are putting all their money, time, effort, resources into what I would say are like the wrong places to put our resources.

00:49:01.000 Like, for example, COVID is one example, shutting down schools, businesses for safety, but the public health organizations don't seem to care about the effects of their actions.

00:49:12.000 What are your thoughts on how could we change our focus to real important issues?

00:49:18.000 And I don't want the degree of public health to be seen as this hopeless degree in the eyes of conservatives and Christians.

00:49:25.000 For example, my aunt a couple weeks ago apologized for being the reason why I went and got a degree in public health.

00:49:33.000 So I just wanted to get your thoughts on that.

00:49:34.000 Well, first of all, I want to encourage you.

00:49:36.000 We need good people in all fields.

00:49:37.000 We do.

00:49:37.000 And we need good people to make sure Anthony Fauci never happens again.

00:49:40.000 So that's your job, okay?

00:49:42.000 To make sure we never get Anthony Fauci again.

00:49:46.000 I could go on at length about why the lockdowns were one of the worst decisions ever made.

00:49:52.000 And it goes back to a theme of this speech, which is what is your morality?

00:49:57.000 And our morality as a society was to sacrifice the young for the old.

00:50:05.000 That's what it was.

00:50:05.000 There is no other way to explain the closure of schools, period.

00:50:09.000 We are going to make this generation miserable because we want the old to be able to be protected.

00:50:14.000 It should be the other way around, to be perfectly honest.

00:50:17.000 It should be the old trying to sacrifice their own livelihood for their children.

00:50:22.000 Instead, now we have the most suicidal, alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted generation in history.

00:50:27.000 As far as going to public health, we need you.

00:50:29.000 We need you to fight for a restoration of science, not scientism.

00:50:34.000 You know, they always say, you know, follow the science, is what they commonly say.

00:50:38.000 They never meant that.

00:50:40.000 They meant follow the scientists they like.

00:50:43.000 Scientism is completely different than a moral exploration into the natural world.

00:50:51.000 There's two ways to think about science: the right way and the dangerous way.

00:50:55.000 The right way is that we're going to look into the natural world, see what it has to offer, see how things work, explore it, educate ourselves on it, and appreciate it.

00:51:04.000 And then if we have to make innovations or experiments in reaction to that, praise God.

00:51:10.000 Scientism is we're going to change the natural world.

00:51:13.000 Totally different.

00:51:14.000 When I say, Charlie, give me an example.

00:51:15.000 Okay.

00:51:16.000 Medically mutilating a 14-year-old that is born a boy and wants to be a girl.

00:51:21.000 That's trying to change the natural world.

00:51:23.000 That is using the force of man over what I believe is God-created nature.

00:51:29.000 And that shouldn't be done.

00:51:30.000 But boy, do we need you in public health?

00:51:32.000 And then I would recommend that we have a much broader view of what is public health because what is happening with our nation's young people when it comes to psychiatric drugs and depression, it is a greater damaging long-term effect than COVID ever could have been to this generation.

00:51:51.000 And a lot of it was preventable.

00:51:53.000 Thank you.

00:51:53.000 Appreciate it.

00:51:54.000 Thank you.

00:51:58.000 Hello, Mr. Kirk.

00:51:59.000 My name's Kaylee.

00:52:01.000 So you talked a lot about freedom of speech.

00:52:03.000 How do you suggest we protect the freedom of speech?

00:52:06.000 How are we supposed to do that?

00:52:08.000 Yeah, that's a really important question.

00:52:10.000 So this is where it gets a little bit tricky, right?

00:52:13.000 So it's not just the freedom to have events like this.

00:52:16.000 So let's kind of go into a constitutional moral question, right?

00:52:20.000 Which is, okay, the really sad people out there, they have a right to protest.

00:52:27.000 We all acknowledge that.

00:52:28.000 You have a right to come to the event.

00:52:29.000 I have a right to speak, right?

00:52:31.000 So what happens then when they prevent you from coming into the building?

00:52:35.000 Right?

00:52:36.000 Do they have a right then to forcibly block the doorway?

00:52:40.000 I say no.

00:52:41.000 I say they don't.

00:52:42.000 I say at that point they're using force to prohibit your ability to attend an event.

00:52:47.000 So at some point, you have to be willing to use force to then protect the ability to speak.

00:52:52.000 Now, I actually think the deeper and the more consequential argument on speech is happening online.

00:53:03.000 And I have to say, one of the most unexpected and courageous things I've seen is Elon Musk buying Twitter.

00:53:11.000 It is bigger than any election, than anything I could put my head around.

00:53:14.000 If Twitter legitimately gets liberated, which it looks like it is in real time, the left is going to have a very hard time continually pushing these fake narratives on us.

00:53:23.000 Imagine a free and open Twitter when they told us that the virus came from a bat at a wet market.

00:53:30.000 You got kicked off.

00:53:31.000 Imagine a free and open Twitter when they said the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation.

00:53:36.000 Imagine a free and open Twitter when they told us that Iver Mecton was horse-paced.

00:53:43.000 All of those stories got you kicked off of Twitter, every single one of them.

00:53:46.000 A free and open Twitter will prevent the next big lie from ever happening.

00:53:52.000 So that's a big deal.

00:53:53.000 But I think the bigger threat is Apple and Google.

00:53:57.000 I think that they have far too much power to police our speech via YouTube and also the App Store.

00:54:03.000 I'm not enthusiastic about using government power.

00:54:07.000 If you would have asked the question six months ago, I was extremely pessimistic about the status of free speech.

00:54:15.000 But Elon has changed the game.

00:54:17.000 I got to tell you, he has been an unexpected entry into this entire dynamic.

00:54:23.000 Because I used to say, you know, we got to have Section 230 reform and do all these different things.

00:54:28.000 I still believe that.

00:54:30.000 But man, him spending $44 billion to go purchase a company, to go restore Donald Trump's Twitter account and let all these people back online and these prisoners of war from the meme wars.

00:54:40.000 I mean, it is.

00:54:41.000 So they are.

00:54:42.000 They're POWs.

00:54:43.000 God bless them.

00:54:46.000 That's a big threat to the regime.

00:54:47.000 I will say this.

00:54:49.000 I hope Elon is ready for what they're about to do to him.

00:54:52.000 I don't think Elon is naive.

00:54:54.000 I don't.

00:54:55.000 But this is a provocative thing to say.

00:54:59.000 Who has more powerful enemies than Elon Musk right now?

00:55:02.000 I can't think of anybody.

00:55:03.000 Donald Trump, maybe.

00:55:05.000 I got to tell you, I think Elon beats Trump for right now, though.

00:55:08.000 I got to tell you.

00:55:09.000 Because Elon is an active participant in making it harder for them to take over the world.

00:55:15.000 That's what he's doing.

00:55:18.000 Man, I think he's always one move ahead of everybody else.

00:55:24.000 And I sure hope he knows what he's doing because what he's doing is liberating speech.

00:55:28.000 Anyway, to answer your question, you should be able to speak freely, and there should be laws that reflect that.

00:55:34.000 And it's time, I think, some of those laws get to the public square.

00:55:37.000 Thankfully, we're in a much better spot because of Elon.

00:55:40.000 Appreciate the question.

00:55:41.000 Actually, I have one more.

00:55:42.000 Okay, really quick.

00:55:43.000 And we only have time for a couple.

00:55:44.000 How can we pray for you?

00:55:45.000 Oh, thank you so much.

00:55:48.000 Pray for endurance.

00:55:50.000 We didn't stop at all post-election.

00:55:54.000 Boy, that was a mess.

00:55:56.000 And so we're running a pretty high clip right now.

00:55:59.000 And pray that Turning Point USA continues to flourish.

00:56:03.000 But more importantly, pray for our students.

00:56:05.000 They get persecuted every single day.

00:56:07.000 It's very, very important.

00:56:08.000 Thank you for asking that.

00:56:09.000 And pray for our family, too.

00:56:11.000 Thank you.

00:56:11.000 Appreciate that.

00:56:17.000 Hi.

00:56:17.000 I'm a sophomore at La Cueva High School and the co-president of our chapter.

00:56:21.000 And so since we started the chapter, I've had a lot of people come up to me and say, so why do you even care about politics?

00:56:29.000 Because obviously I'm not old enough to vote yet.

00:56:31.000 And so they ask, why I even care?

00:56:32.000 Because they think that it doesn't affect my generation and people that are my age, even though it very clearly does.

00:56:39.000 So how would you explain that?

00:56:40.000 What actually, paradoxically, affects you more than anybody else, actually.

00:56:44.000 Every decision actually affects the next generation even more than the current generation, from the debt, from the southern border, from the drug use.

00:56:51.000 First of all, what you're doing is you're fighting cynicism, right?

00:56:55.000 And you're not the first one to do that in society.

00:56:58.000 But I think you should challenge whoever says that is, well, then what do you care about?

00:57:03.000 And they might say nothing, and that's a very common Gen Z answer, right?

00:57:07.000 I care about nothing, and I'm proud of it.

00:57:09.000 I want to tell everyone I care about nothing on TikTok.

00:57:12.000 Weird?

00:57:13.000 Like, okay, see, like, my whole TikTok is I care about nothing.

00:57:15.000 Now follow me.

00:57:16.000 Because I care about nothing.

00:57:17.000 Okay, well, you obviously care about something.

00:57:19.000 Anyway, it's like this weird badge of honor, like I'm too cool, so I'm cynical type thing.

00:57:24.000 Like, yeah, okay, pal, we've seen it all before.

00:57:27.000 So you got to fight against the cynicism.

00:57:28.000 And then I think you have to give an answer.

00:57:30.000 Like, I love this country.

00:57:32.000 And I'm old enough.

00:57:33.000 I'm not old enough to vote, but I'm old enough to think.

00:57:36.000 You should try doing that, is what you should tell them.

00:57:38.000 But be nice.

00:57:38.000 You're in high school.

00:57:41.000 But honestly, I hope adults that are voting age draw inspiration from you because you're not even able to vote and you're fighting very hard and you're trying to build a better life.

00:57:51.000 And that's what you should say.

00:57:52.000 You should say, I want a better life.

00:57:53.000 It's never too young to start to try to build a better life.

00:57:56.000 There's not all of a sudden like a magical bell when you hit voting age.

00:57:59.000 Like, now I could start to care.

00:58:02.000 No, that's not the way it works.

00:58:03.000 You want a better world.

00:58:04.000 And by the way, those very same people, I guarantee you, have like BLM stickers on their laptop.

00:58:09.000 And like, yeah, okay, so you care about that, but you don't care about this.

00:58:13.000 Or they're really big into Greta Funberg or whatever, right?

00:58:15.000 So God bless you.

00:58:17.000 Thank you for your leadership.

00:58:18.000 Thank you.

00:58:22.000 I'm also from the La Cueva chapter.

00:58:24.000 And recently I got in a debate with this girl at school.

00:58:28.000 And she claimed that in the U.S., women have it harder making money.

00:58:33.000 And I wanted to see your argument to disapprove that opinion.

00:58:37.000 Yeah, so thank you for the question.

00:58:39.000 It's great.

00:58:39.000 So it comes from a specific left-wing lie.

00:58:43.000 I actually haven't talked about this in quite some time.

00:58:45.000 Because first, I just want to, I think you should just ask him because he's just hilarious.

00:58:48.000 Ask him, what is a woman?

00:58:49.000 Okay, just like just you just got to get that out of the way, right?

00:58:53.000 Because you got to have it.

00:58:55.000 You got to pick one, right?

00:58:56.000 It's either womanhood is not a thing or women earn less than men.

00:58:59.000 Like you got to, this is like the inherent civil war that I'm just waiting and waiting and waiting between feminism and the alphabet mafia.

00:59:09.000 Like I just can't wait.

00:59:10.000 Like please go to war eventually because they're inherently at odds with each other, right?

00:59:14.000 Which like womanhood is amazing.

00:59:16.000 We're under attack.

00:59:17.000 There is no such thing as a woman.

00:59:18.000 Anyone can be a woman.

00:59:20.000 There's only one answer to that.

00:59:23.000 So in a weird way, I actually totally agree with the feminists.

00:59:25.000 Like womanhood is a very real thing.

00:59:27.000 Women are real, and there are a difference between men and women.

00:59:31.000 Okay, to your question, though.

00:59:32.000 Okay, so Gloria Steinem feminism would argue that women are oppressed and they're oppressed in the workplace.

00:59:39.000 It's part of this whole victimology nonsense.

00:59:42.000 So I'm going to say some numbers.

00:59:43.000 They're going to be imprecise because I haven't done this in a while.

00:59:45.000 But basically, they say that women earn like what, 82 cents of every dollar of a man.

00:59:49.000 That's the number they usually spout.

00:59:51.000 Is that correct?

00:59:52.000 It might be 78 or 84.

00:59:54.000 So anyway, so what they're not doing, though, is a couple things.

00:59:57.000 They're not factoring in what did they study in college, how long have they been in the workforce?

01:00:02.000 Okay, how often have they asked their boss for a promotion or a raise?

01:00:06.000 And what did they do in their late 20s?

01:00:08.000 Okay, these are four things.

01:00:09.000 So let's go through this.

01:00:10.000 Women, because women are different than men, we agree, I hope.

01:00:14.000 They're more likely to be nurturing, empathetic, compassionate.

01:00:19.000 They gravitate more towards childhood education, more towards psychology.

01:00:24.000 They study things that pay less, and they study, have degrees that, by definition, are a lower pay scale.

01:00:31.000 Men are more likely to study engineering, finance, business.

01:00:36.000 Okay, so if women study the same thing as men, and if they enter into a field, and if in their late 20s, which by the way, your late 20s, you'll learn this: 27 through 32 is the big exponent on your career.

01:00:48.000 It's where all of a sudden you get the most promotions, the most responsibility, the kind of the biggest uptick.

01:00:53.000 Most young women, for good reason, praise God, exit the workforce voluntarily to go have children.

01:01:00.000 Okay, that removes them from a lot of promotions, a lot of raises, and things of that nature.

01:01:04.000 Men keep on working through.

01:01:06.000 And so it looks as if, wow, men are earning so much more than women.

01:01:08.000 Now, do you know it's actually against the law to pay women less than men?

01:01:11.000 It's against the law.

01:01:13.000 What they're saying, though, is, well, look at this macro data.

01:01:16.000 Hilariously, in 14 out of 15 of the top cities in America, women earn more than men in their late 20s.

01:01:23.000 If you actually look at when women study the same thing as men and they do not, they make the decision not to have children and they stay in their career to their early 30s, something I don't recommend.

01:01:31.000 I actually think it creates really miserable women, they actually end up earning more than men.

01:01:35.000 So it's just a flat-out lie.

01:01:37.000 I'm happy to send you podcasts, articles, and research and data to support that.

01:01:43.000 But they can't have it both ways.

01:01:45.000 And there are a lot of several professions, by the way, where women earn more than men.

01:01:49.000 Nursing, for example.

01:01:50.000 Women earn more than men in nursing.

01:01:51.000 It's a fact.

01:01:52.000 No one ever talks about that.

01:01:53.000 All right, thanks so much.

01:01:54.000 Appreciate it.

01:01:55.000 All right, we'll do a couple more.

01:01:59.000 Hello, Charlie.

01:02:01.000 My name is Ricardo.

01:02:02.000 I am a Hispanic, young Mexican-American.

01:02:06.000 So I come from a family who consists of radical Chicanos, mostly on my father's side.

01:02:15.000 And I feel like it's kind of been a challenge lately because I feel like with me kind of shifting, becoming more conservative lately, I've kind of like tried to just like it's been hard.

01:02:28.000 It's been hard to try and like talk him and just make, I mean, I'm not trying to change his opinions or anything.

01:02:32.000 I'm just trying to make him understand.

01:02:33.000 So I just wanted to get some advice from you.

01:02:35.000 Like, what do you think is the best way to help other Mexican-Americans or other young minorities like myself, like who are in this same position?

01:02:46.000 Like, what do you think is the best way to help them?

01:02:48.000 Like, maybe make them understand a little bit.

01:02:50.000 So, let me ask you a question, and it'll be a generalization.

01:02:53.000 How many people in your community think that men can become pregnant?

01:03:00.000 I haven't really got any insight on that, but I don't think, I would say maybe some, maybe not.

01:03:08.000 Not all, but I think there would be some.

01:03:10.000 I would guess it's probably not a popular viewpoint in the Mexican-American community.

01:03:15.000 My point is that white woke liberalism Is incredibly incongruent with Mexican-American values.

01:03:29.000 Big family, lots of children, life begins at conception.

01:03:32.000 Not every, obviously, Hispanic Mexican family believes that, but that is a widely held belief.

01:03:37.000 Or how about just traditional gender norms?

01:03:40.000 Without diving too deep into it, Spanish is literally built on the conjugation of verbs based on gender.

01:03:48.000 Right?

01:03:49.000 That's a good place to start.

01:03:51.000 The most widespread, pernicious, and popular movement in America is to believe something along the lines of that men can become pregnant, women and men have no differences, and you could change your gender at will.

01:04:05.000 You might not be able to convince Mexican-Americans, or in your word, Chicanos, to believe in free market economics immediately.

01:04:15.000 But I bet you can get them to believe that the nine, 10, 15, 20 generations that they could probably trace their lineage back to, everything that they've believed with gender norms is about to change if they embrace the American left.

01:04:28.000 And they're all white and they all hate them.

01:04:30.000 That's how I would start.

01:04:32.000 Perfect.

01:04:32.000 Thank you.

01:04:33.000 Thanks.

01:04:36.000 Okay, two more questions.

01:04:39.000 So with the 2020 election, there's some people on some side that are saying there was truckloads of fake ballots.

01:04:47.000 And then there's some that say there was absolutely no cheating.

01:04:51.000 Where do you stand on that?

01:04:53.000 And who, in your opinion, is the best presidential candidate for 2024?

01:04:58.000 I've never been asked that question.

01:04:59.000 No, I'm kidding.

01:05:00.000 I get it all the time.

01:05:01.000 Very informative.

01:05:02.000 So I look, I try not to dwell too much on this topic, but there are legitimate ballot harvesting operations across the country.

01:05:10.000 I call them mules.

01:05:11.000 It's been proven in a variety of different ways.

01:05:13.000 It's what happens when you get universal vote by mail.

01:05:16.000 And it happened definitely in Arizona.

01:05:18.000 We know that happened in Georgia.

01:05:19.000 It happened in Pennsylvania.

01:05:20.000 I think it happened again in this last election, by the way.

01:05:24.000 Massive manipulation of vote by mail and all that nonsense.

01:05:27.000 Okay, so I'm happy to get into that.

01:05:30.000 I think that it's a mistake to mail everybody a ballot.

01:05:32.000 I think it's a mistake to have universal voter registration.

01:05:34.000 I think it's a mistake to have voting month.

01:05:36.000 I'd love to get back to voting day, precinct by precinct voting.

01:05:39.000 I think that you should vote in person if possible.

01:05:41.000 I would love to restore all those different things.

01:05:43.000 Unfortunately, everything I just articulated is losing awfully.

01:05:47.000 Like in every state, it's becoming mass vote by mail, which I think opens the door in that way.

01:05:52.000 Happy to go through the numbers with you and that.

01:05:54.000 To answer your second question about 2024, I've answered this quite some times.

01:05:58.000 I'm going to back Donald Trump in 2024.

01:06:00.000 It's my own personal endorsement, not on behalf of Turning Point USA.

01:06:03.000 I know the president very well.

01:06:04.000 I've known him for years.

01:06:05.000 He's been very good to me, and I'm loyal.

01:06:07.000 With that being said, I am an outspoken fan of Governor DeSantis.

01:06:12.000 I think he's spectacular.

01:06:14.000 I think he's America's greatest governor.

01:06:17.000 And I will say this: I did not like it when Donald Trump attacked DeSantis.

01:06:21.000 I hope he stops that.

01:06:22.000 I say that as a friend and as a supporter of Donald Trump.

01:06:24.000 I don't think it actually helps him.

01:06:26.000 I think it hurts him.

01:06:27.000 I think Ron DeSantis has a chance to be a once-in-a-generation political leader.

01:06:31.000 I really do.

01:06:32.000 But Donald Trump was the best president of my lifetime, and I'm a loyal person, and that's where I stand for 2024.

01:06:38.000 Thank you.

01:06:39.000 Appreciate it.

01:06:39.000 Thank you.

01:06:40.000 This will be the last question.

01:06:42.000 Sorry, guys.

01:06:42.000 Last question.

01:06:45.000 So I had two questions.

01:06:46.000 Is that okay?

01:06:47.000 Let's do it.

01:06:47.000 All right, I'll make it quick.

01:06:48.000 So first one is a little bit of a more lighthearted one.

01:06:51.000 So my partner, she's extremely religious.

01:06:54.000 I'm not super religious myself.

01:06:56.000 However, I've got a ring on my finger now, so I want to change that.

01:07:00.000 So she got me a daily devotional I've been reading.

01:07:03.000 We've been going to church and trying to dig into that because I do have a Christian background.

01:07:08.000 What would you say are some day-to-day things I can help support her and be a more religious partner?

01:07:13.000 That's a beautiful question.

01:07:14.000 I just want to make a church recommendation.

01:07:15.000 Go to Legacy Church here locally.

01:07:17.000 They're terrific.

01:07:18.000 So I think you'll really be blessed by that.

01:07:21.000 That's a really important question about how, I mean, I've actually never been asked that question.

01:07:26.000 How can I be a better religious person?

01:07:29.000 Wow.

01:07:30.000 Partner two.

01:07:31.000 Yes, pray together.

01:07:33.000 The Bible is the greatest book ever written.

01:07:36.000 It's actually a contemplation of books.

01:07:38.000 I believe it is the word of God, inerrant, and endlessly helpful to humanity.

01:07:44.000 And I would try to read the entire Bible in a year.

01:07:48.000 My wife has a whole ministry that helps you do that called Bible in 365.

01:07:52.000 If you really want to dive deep into it, I'm a big believer in fasting.

01:07:56.000 I also believe that one of the great Christian failings of the last of this generation is not honoring the Sabbath.

01:08:03.000 And so I would highly recommend honoring the Sabbath.

01:08:05.000 I'm not saying that in a Christian context you are commanded.

01:08:09.000 It is the only one of the Ten Commandments Jesus did not explicitly repeat.

01:08:12.000 In fact, he added some interesting nuance and context.

01:08:15.000 However, God honored the Sabbath when he created the world.

01:08:18.000 So that's my best counterargument to that.

01:08:20.000 I think it would actually bless you.

01:08:21.000 I have a whole speech where I think actually honoring the Sabbath is the commandment that makes the other commandments possible.

01:08:28.000 I think that if every human being honored the Sabbath, there would be less murder, less stealing, less infidelity, less cheating, less envy.

01:08:35.000 I think the Sabbath calms your spirit and your soul down away from the materialistic, hyper-crazy world.

01:08:41.000 I'm a big believer in the Sabbath, so I'd recommend that.

01:08:44.000 And then I would recommend just finding someone who takes their faith very seriously and asking a lot of questions and go to church together.

01:08:56.000 And you're going to grow deeply in your faith.

01:08:59.000 I really believe that.

01:08:59.000 You have a second question really quick?

01:09:01.000 Yes.

01:09:01.000 First off, thank you for that.

01:09:02.000 That was a huge help.

01:09:03.000 Second one, not as lighthearted.

01:09:06.000 Over the last two years, we've seen an increase in militancy on either side of the political spectrum where...

01:09:11.000 We know.

01:09:11.000 Well, I mean, like, it used to be just, you know, you'd see these right-wing militias where it was like four-year-old fat dudes who were like LARPing in the woods.

01:09:19.000 And now it's...

01:09:20.000 Well, I mean, seriously, now you're seeing guys like my age where it's like they're practicing small unit tactics, reading Army field manuals.

01:09:27.000 And the same is happening on the left where, you know, now you're seeing these Antifa flags on plate carriers and ARs.

01:09:32.000 You saw one of those family-friendly drag shows.

01:09:37.000 There were armed Antifa members outside.

01:09:39.000 Pardon my pun.

01:09:40.000 Do you feel like there's a turning point of no return where that militancy is there and there's no stepping back from it, even if it is just a simmer?

01:09:51.000 That's a great question.

01:09:52.000 And I think it actually ties a lot of our themes here.

01:09:54.000 Why is that happening?

01:09:55.000 It's happening because people can't blow off steam by speaking.

01:09:59.000 That's why.

01:10:00.000 When people can't speak, they go to the next thing, which is force.

01:10:03.000 It's what happens.

01:10:04.000 And so, I mean, look, you people doing small unit tactics and stuff.

01:10:08.000 I mean, look, they feel as if they've been disenfranchised, suppressed, shut up, censored, smeared, slandered.

01:10:14.000 That's what I'm not speaking for.

01:10:15.000 I don't know.

01:10:15.000 I'm generalizing, right?

01:10:17.000 But if I were to meet them, I guarantee they'd go up to the microphone.

01:10:19.000 You say, why are you doing that?

01:10:20.000 Well, this, and this.

01:10:22.000 And then how do they get treated by their government and get treated by everybody?

01:10:25.000 They get called all the worst names in the world.

01:10:27.000 Now, I want to just re-emphasize this.

01:10:29.000 You have to stay peaceful.

01:10:30.000 I am not a fan of going to force or conflict at all whatsoever.

01:10:34.000 At the same time, I think it's important to add the context that if somebody's doing that, we should ask the question, why?

01:10:40.000 Like, why is it that there's a growth of militias?

01:10:43.000 Why?

01:10:44.000 Now, CNN and the FBI, because they're white supremacy.

01:10:47.000 Okay, shut up.

01:10:47.000 You're an idiot.

01:10:48.000 Okay?

01:10:49.000 Maybe it's because you're trying to always call them names and not allow them to talk.

01:10:54.000 And then you kick them off Twitter and kick them off Facebook and kick them off Google and then you take their kids and you want to put them on Lupron and you hyper-radicalize them now I'm not I'm not justifying in any way violence or any of that But I think it is a teaching moment which is if you're going to keep on going the way we're going right now, you've just seen the beginning of radicalism.

01:11:13.000 I don't want to go there and I don't think you either.

01:11:15.000 I think it's actually really concerning.

01:11:18.000 How do you fix that speech?

01:11:19.000 Leaders that listen to their voters.

01:11:23.000 Actually, leaders are like, oh, wow, my voters want me to do this.

01:11:25.000 So I'm going to do that.

01:11:26.000 Therefore, they don't feel so disconnected from their government.

01:11:29.000 Like, not raiding Mar-a-Lago.

01:11:31.000 Like, that would probably de-radicalize the country, right?

01:11:35.000 They're probably going to indict Donald Trump.

01:11:36.000 Can't imagine that's going to be a way to simmer down tensions, right?

01:11:41.000 Like, oh, yeah, let's go indict Donald Trump.

01:11:43.000 That's really going to calm down the temperature in the room.

01:11:45.000 We'll do the opposite.

01:11:45.000 They know that.

01:11:46.000 And that's the final thing I'll say, which is a little bit controversial.

01:11:51.000 I believe they want to stoke the flame of the militias.

01:11:56.000 I think they actually want an excuse to go full Patriot Act, full anti-SADM on us.

01:12:04.000 Don't give them that excuse.

01:12:05.000 Do not all of a sudden do something uncharacteristic, violent, forceful.

01:12:12.000 Speech is all we have, guys.

01:12:13.000 It goes from speaking to force.

01:12:15.000 There is no middle ground.

01:12:17.000 But I think that context is important instead of just preaching up here and acting as if every single one of those people that are doing that is happening because of white supremacy.

01:12:28.000 Maybe it's because the regime has made it their goal to hate them.

01:12:31.000 God bless you.

01:12:32.000 Thank you, man.

01:12:33.000 Thank you.

01:12:33.000 Defun the ATO.

01:12:34.000 Thank you.

01:12:35.000 All right.

01:12:36.000 We'll end with this.

01:12:37.000 So, guys, thank you again for being here tonight.

01:12:39.000 I want to thank our amazing Turning Point USA chapter.

01:12:41.000 You guys are terrific, honestly.

01:12:43.000 Speech is the answer, and that's exactly what we did tonight.

01:12:46.000 And let it be told to all the collectivists and the authoritarians.

01:12:50.000 They tried to shut up Turning Point twice, and the third time they failed miserably.

01:12:54.000 And that's a big deal.

01:12:55.000 God bless you guys.

01:12:56.000 God bless this university.

01:12:57.000 And thank you for all the help, the police that made this happen.

01:13:00.000 God bless you guys.

01:13:01.000 Thank you.

01:13:04.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:13:05.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:13:08.000 Thank you so much for listening.

01:13:10.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 10, 2022

Charlie Under Siege At UNM

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