The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie vs. The Students of Riverside

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00:01:09.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:02:07.000 What's up, Charlie?

00:02:08.000 Hey, dude.

00:02:09.000 So first out, welcome to California, Riverside.

00:02:13.000 What's up, Riverside?

00:02:14.000 How's everyone doing so far?

00:02:15.000 Yeah?

00:02:16.000 All right, cool.

00:02:17.000 So I'm going to get started.

00:02:19.000 Typically, I agree on a lot of stuff that you state.

00:02:22.000 So literally in everything.

00:02:24.000 The only reason I came up to debate was about abortions and rape abortions. 0.99

00:02:30.000 And so recently I was kind of for abortions, pro-choice.

00:02:35.000 I recently had a daughter.

00:02:36.000 She's seven weeks old.

00:02:37.000 And I can't imagine living without her.

00:02:40.000 So I appreciate it.

00:02:41.000 And my only concern as I was thinking about it, it's just hard for girls that do happen to get raped, you know, whether they're unconscious and drugged or just whatever happens, incest or whatever.

00:02:53.000 Would you be able to just defend just any abortion or non-abortions on rape?

00:02:59.000 And if I could just hear your point of view on that.

00:03:01.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:03:01.000 Thank you for the good faith question.

00:03:03.000 And praise God that you welcome the daughter into this world.

00:03:06.000 That's the best thing you said.

00:03:08.000 Look, needless to say, rape is a tragic thing, and it's terrible.

00:03:13.000 We believe that abortion is the taking of a life, which would be murder. 0.63

00:03:16.000 Can I do a thought exercise with you?

00:03:18.000 Is that okay?

00:03:19.000 Yeah, of course.

00:03:20.000 Okay, so I actually have a picture.

00:03:21.000 I brought it here because I do this so many times.

00:03:22.000 So I have two ultrasounds here.

00:03:24.000 You know what ultrasound is. 0.99

00:03:25.000 Yeah, this isn't the dolphin, is it?

00:03:27.000 No, these are two human beings.

00:03:28.000 Okay.

00:03:29.000 No. 0.91

00:03:30.000 One of these two ultrasounds is a baby conceived in rape. 0.77

00:03:33.000 Which one is it?

00:03:35.000 I'm assuming the one on the left.

00:03:38.000 No.

00:03:40.000 No, okay.

00:03:41.000 Oh, you know what?

00:03:42.000 I don't know.

00:03:44.000 You get the point?

00:03:45.000 Yes.

00:03:46.000 They're both human beings.

00:03:47.000 Okay.

00:03:47.000 Regardless of the method of conception, they're both human beings.

00:03:50.000 Awesome.

00:03:50.000 Okay.

00:03:50.000 And it's not a gotcha.

00:03:51.000 I just want you to think about it because these are both human beings made in the image of God.

00:03:56.000 The process of conception does not give you more or less rights.

00:04:01.000 Of course.

00:04:02.000 And so we also do not believe that an evil action after an evil action is the right course.

00:04:09.000 And so we believe that a human being must be protected.

00:04:11.000 We must be consistent in that.

00:04:13.000 And I've met thousands of people now across the country, hundreds I'll say, of people that were conceived in rape.

00:04:19.000 And the mom was courageous enough to bring that baby to term.

00:04:22.000 And now they're able to live amazing lives.

00:04:24.000 And so we must be consistent that human beings are made in the image of God.

00:04:28.000 They have a soul.

00:04:29.000 And that just because of the method of your conception, you don't get to have your life taken away from you.

00:04:34.000 Yes, sir.

00:04:34.000 Now, what about the trauma that it may or may not bring the mother?

00:04:40.000 Just kind of living on like her own self, maybe can't defend having the baby just because she wasn't ready in the first place. 1.00

00:04:48.000 And now her whole life just got switched around.

00:04:51.000 If you can explain that for me, please.

00:04:53.000 Yeah, so it's a little bit of a false choice because an abortion can also be very traumatic as well.

00:04:58.000 To say that abortion is just like getting a haircut, that's nonsensical.

00:05:01.000 It's not just a cosmetic procedure.

00:05:03.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:05:04.000 And so we acknowledge, of course, that there can be trauma, but trauma is never an excuse for taking a life.

00:05:10.000 If you say, I have a mental health issue, are you allowed to take somebody else's life?

00:05:14.000 Of course not.

00:05:15.000 That's never morally defensible.

00:05:16.000 Under no moral framework are we able to say that that is true or correct.

00:05:20.000 Cool.

00:05:20.000 I appreciate it.

00:05:20.000 Also, I have a second question real fast.

00:05:22.000 Really quick.

00:05:23.000 I'm sorry.

00:05:23.000 So we're five months into the President Trump's presidency, and a lot of Democrats will state, you know, like, oh, he's doing this wrong and this, this, this.

00:05:31.000 The gas prices are still up.

00:05:33.000 The food is still up.

00:05:34.000 When do you think we will see change?

00:05:36.000 Well, gas prices in California are up.

00:05:38.000 Actually, across the country, they're going down dramatically.

00:05:41.000 One of the reasons is that Gavin Newsom and Democrats have intentionally done this.

00:05:47.000 The way that, again, it's a little wonky, but it's a refinery issue.

00:05:51.000 You guys have made a decision here in this state to have intentionally high gas prices.

00:05:56.000 And because of that, your leaders here in California, they basically almost wanted to make it impossible to own a petroleum-based petroleum-fired vehicle.

00:06:06.000 And we want to try to bring gas prices down for all Americans.

00:06:10.000 One of the reasons why I hope that you guys get a new governor in 2026.

00:06:13.000 Bianco, baby!

00:06:15.000 Awesome.

00:06:15.000 Would you mind?

00:06:16.000 Thank you.

00:06:16.000 Can I come shake your hat?

00:06:17.000 Yeah, sure, of course.

00:06:17.000 You would like a hat, too.

00:06:18.000 Yeah.

00:06:19.000 God bless you, man.

00:06:20.000 Thank you.

00:06:20.000 Here's your hat.

00:06:21.000 Thank you.

00:06:22.000 Next question.

00:06:22.000 Great.

00:06:23.000 Thank you.

00:06:23.000 All right.

00:06:24.000 Well, good afternoon.

00:06:26.000 I've been a long time fan.

00:06:28.000 Thank you.

00:06:28.000 Just talk right into the mic if you can, please.

00:06:30.000 Okay.

00:06:32.000 The topic I want to discuss with you today is it's on reparations, but more so why there's a bias towards black Americans when it comes to reparations.

00:06:44.000 Now, I understand that no black American alive has ever been a slave.

00:06:50.000 I acknowledge that.

00:06:52.000 However, sorry.

00:06:58.000 The point I wanted to make is that reparations have been given to other ethnic groups, Asian Americans for their incarceration during World War II, Native Hawaiians.

00:07:11.000 Sorry, I wrote it all down, but even former slave owners, specifically the ones in the North that had to give up their slaves, they were compensated for former slaves.

00:07:22.000 However, why is it that when it comes to black people receiving reparations, there seems to be a lot of pushback to the point where now, you know, there's, you know, now it's almost laughable to even think about black people getting reparations for something in the past.

00:07:40.000 Well, for any of those examples, was there intergenerational reparations given?

00:07:44.000 No.

00:07:45.000 So they're not necessarily applicable, right?

00:07:47.000 So those were the actual people that received it because a wrong was done to them.

00:07:52.000 Correct.

00:07:52.000 We're talking about something 150 years removed.

00:07:55.000 And also, not every black person is a descendant of slaves.

00:08:00.000 Some are, some are mixed race, some are able to prove that. 1.00

00:08:04.000 But I think more importantly, we should ask the question, have we spent a lot of money on the black community the last 50 years?

00:08:11.000 And if so, has it worked?

00:08:14.000 It's a good question because, I mean, obviously there are certain communities in black America that are not so great.

00:08:22.000 You know, some of them, some of the traumas and problems they have are of their own making.

00:08:28.000 I acknowledge that.

00:08:29.000 Thankfully, I was raised away from all that, two loving parents.

00:08:41.000 That is a ticket to success.

00:08:43.000 Please continue.

00:08:44.000 But the example I wanted to use was the two Tulsa survivors.

00:08:49.000 They tried to, you know, they're aged, you know, over 100 years old.

00:08:53.000 They've tried to sue the Oklahoma government for reparations for their lost property.

00:08:58.000 And they were actually denied reparations.

00:09:01.000 And to me, when I read about that, because to me, that was kind of the test to see, like, okay, they say reparations shouldn't go to people who weren't directly affected.

00:09:10.000 Well, here we have two people who were directly affected, who were there, and they were still denied reparations.

00:09:16.000 So to me, that kind of confirmed that it was never about who was directly affected or not.

00:09:22.000 To me, it just sounds like there's a bias towards black Americans.

00:09:26.000 Okay, I don't know about that incidence.

00:09:28.000 I'll look into it.

00:09:29.000 But more broadly, I do want to just repeat the point and something to think about.

00:09:34.000 You don't have to answer it, that we've spent trillions of dollars on trying to improve the well-being of black Americans since the 1960s.

00:09:40.000 And actually, black America is poorer per capita and on average in relation to other groups than it was in the 1960s.

00:09:47.000 So I would argue it's actually not a resource or a money thing.

00:09:50.000 It's a values thing.

00:09:52.000 And the values, unfortunately, that are predominantly in the black community right now are quasi-suicidal. 1.00

00:09:59.000 Fair point.

00:10:00.000 But yeah, basically, I just wanted you to, I didn't know if I was going to change your mind, but it's something I wanted you to think about.

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00:11:16.000 Hi, good afternoon.

00:11:18.000 So my sense today is honestly on immigration.

00:11:20.000 So I think...

00:11:22.000 Okay.

00:11:26.000 I think that immigration contributes a lot to America.

00:11:29.000 So my parents did come here legally, and they right now are in the process again.

00:11:33.000 And it takes a long time.

00:11:35.000 No, they came here legally.

00:11:36.000 Like they came with their visa and now they're renewing it and it's a different process right now.

00:11:40.000 But so I'm really religious.

00:11:42.000 I'm Catholic.

00:11:43.000 My parents grew me up that way.

00:11:45.000 And in Matthew 2, 13 through 15, it talks about how Jesus had to flee Nazareth or no, Bethlehem, sorry.

00:11:51.000 He had to flee because someone was going to die.

00:11:53.000 And they were looking to kill him.

00:11:55.000 And he had to flee his own country and leave everything behind because the angel spoke to Mary and Joseph that they should leave.

00:12:01.000 So a lot of people do that.

00:12:04.000 That's why they immigrate to the United States. 0.99

00:12:06.000 A lot of people have to leave everything behind because not everyone just wants to pack up all their things and leave.

00:12:11.000 Right now, I personally would hate if I had to sell my car, my house, leave my parents, leave my friends, and leave everyone.

00:12:17.000 So I just want to know what your stance is on that, just because in the Bible it talks about that.

00:12:22.000 Right.

00:12:23.000 So first of all, Jesus actually didn't emigrate.

00:12:24.000 He stayed within the confines of the Roman Empire because Egypt was actually under Roman jurisdiction.

00:12:30.000 That's a separate point.

00:12:31.000 But there are plenty of verses that says you should welcome the stranger.

00:12:34.000 And so I will grant you that.

00:12:36.000 I guess the first point I would have to ask is, should immigration always benefit the home country?

00:12:43.000 I think so, yes.

00:12:44.000 And that is one thing that I looked into.

00:12:46.000 So there are immigrants right now working here, correct?

00:12:48.000 And they get some of their paycheck cut off, right, because of Social Security and all those benefits.

00:12:53.000 But they don't get those benefits because they're illegal immigrants. 0.99

00:12:55.000 So do you mean legal or illegal immigrants?

00:12:57.000 That distinction is very important.

00:12:59.000 Illegal.

00:13:00.000 They don't get those benefits.

00:13:01.000 So let's just be clear.

00:13:02.000 If they have a Social Security number, how'd they get that?

00:13:05.000 The right way.

00:13:06.000 They stole it.

00:13:08.000 You don't get a Social Security number as an illegal, period.

00:13:11.000 It does not happen.

00:13:12.000 They stole it.

00:13:13.000 So that's an act of theft.

00:13:16.000 So they stole an American Social Security number to be able to work here, which drives down wages, which drives down opportunity costs.

00:13:23.000 But even beyond that, we just have to look at their action.

00:13:26.000 They were not invited to come to this country. 0.95

00:13:28.000 They broke in line.

00:13:29.000 They cut in line.

00:13:30.000 And we should not reward line cutters or border jumpers.

00:13:34.000 We should reward people like your parents that actually came here legally to this country.

00:13:42.000 Yeah, I understand that point.

00:13:43.000 I really do.

00:13:45.000 But sometimes people generally need to leave their country.

00:13:47.000 Because in like my mother's case, for instance, there was like a terrorist attack on my family.

00:13:52.000 And that's the reason my mom had to come.

00:13:54.000 And thankfully, she did get it immediately.

00:13:56.000 But now I've heard of so many stories where people have to wait like 10 years, 20 years, even 30 years.

00:14:01.000 Like my grandma right now is trying to get the process. 1.00

00:14:03.000 And thankfully she is now.

00:14:04.000 But it's taken her about 10 years now.

00:14:07.000 And she makes enough money in her country. 0.94

00:14:08.000 And she just wants to come here as a tourist.

00:14:10.000 That's the main reason.

00:14:12.000 And I do understand that.

00:14:14.000 I think that my main point is that how we should implement more money into the immigration system.

00:14:18.000 Because Trump's zero tolerance policy, that just felt cruel because there's a lot of people here that are doing well and zero tolerance.

00:14:26.000 They just have to leave the country.

00:14:27.000 I feel like that was inhumane of him.

00:14:29.000 Yeah, but it's not their country, though.

00:14:31.000 And that's the, so let me just, here's a, if I went to Mexico without being invited or allowed and I took a job and the Mexican government found out, what would the Mexican government do to me?

00:14:44.000 I'm not sure.

00:14:45.000 They would send me back to America. 0.89

00:14:47.000 And why was there a reason you left the U.S. first?

00:14:50.000 Well, again, so the, okay, as far as the audio guys, we're going as loud as the university allows us.

00:14:54.000 There's a decibel count, so we're going to keep pushing the amount as much as we can, okay?

00:14:59.000 So if we get in trouble, I'll blame all of you.

00:15:02.000 So reason, that's an interesting thing.

00:15:04.000 Is there ever a legitimate reason, in your opinion, to commit a crime?

00:15:09.000 No.

00:15:10.000 Well, then the reason doesn't matter.

00:15:12.000 Because under that say, so let's look, can you rob a bank because you wish you had more money?

00:15:16.000 No, you work harder.

00:15:18.000 Then why doesn't that moral standard apply to immigration?

00:15:21.000 Because the system isn't doing its job.

00:15:24.000 That's why I think we should implement more money.

00:15:26.000 Because there is some people, like I do get it, you know, some people come here and then I do admit some of them commit crime, but not all of them.

00:15:32.000 No, no, but they're all criminals if they came illegally.

00:15:34.000 That's the distinction.

00:15:36.000 By definition, they're breaking federal law, 8 USC 1312.

00:15:40.000 Just their presence here is against the law.

00:15:43.000 And let's say you're here in the U.S., okay?

00:15:46.000 You have, from what I think I've heard, I think you have two daughters, correct?

00:15:49.000 A daughter and a son.

00:15:50.000 Daughter and a son.

00:15:51.000 Okay.

00:15:51.000 You have a daughter and a son.

00:15:53.000 Let's say someone is attacking your family, like targeting you guys.

00:15:59.000 You love your children.

00:16:00.000 I'm a son.

00:16:00.000 Hold on.

00:16:01.000 I actually, someone, every day we get death threats, so this is not an abstraction.

00:16:05.000 And I'm not leaving America.

00:16:07.000 That makes sense, but because the United States, the co.

00:16:11.000 I mean, so it's actually very real. 0.63

00:16:12.000 Every day someone says they want to murder me and kill my family.

00:16:15.000 I'm staying.

00:16:16.000 But has anyone genuinely ever driven to your house, done like a driveway?

00:16:20.000 I'm not going to get into the details, but plenty of people have been arrested trying to kill me.

00:16:24.000 So, I mean, but here's the idea.

00:16:26.000 And by the way, if we apply this, if we apply that logic that if somebody is in danger, they're allowed to come to America, would you be okay welcoming 500 million people into America?

00:16:37.000 That's why we should implement the system to understand each other.

00:16:39.000 No, no, you got to answer.

00:16:40.000 Do you think 500 million people would be too many people?

00:16:43.000 500 million?

00:16:44.000 I don't even think that would fit the United States.

00:16:45.000 I agree.

00:16:46.000 And that's the point, is that if everyone all of a sudden declared that their life was in danger, we'd have to let in like all of Nicaragua, all of Honduras, almost all of Venezuela. 0.97

00:16:55.000 The standard all of a sudden starts falling apart.

00:16:58.000 And we find that people lie about this, they deceive it.

00:17:00.000 Here's my perspective.

00:17:03.000 Why don't we try to empower those people to make the countries they're coming from greater and stronger, else this problem will actually never be fixed at the root level?

00:17:11.000 That makes?

00:17:12.000 It does make sense.

00:17:13.000 And I wish it was that easy.

00:17:15.000 So for instance, I am part Peruvian and in Peru.

00:17:19.000 So they were having a presidential election.

00:17:22.000 And the president who was going to win was better for the country and would help out a lot more.

00:17:27.000 But since it's corrupt, they made the other president win.

00:17:30.000 They sent him death threats, nearly almost killed him.

00:17:32.000 He had to fake his death and leave and they jailed her.

00:17:36.000 They jailed her completely and they let the guy win. 0.94

00:17:38.000 That is why it's corrupt.

00:17:39.000 It's hard to fix a country when there's no help towards it.

00:17:43.000 So Peru was, they were rooting for the good president.

00:17:46.000 They were rooting to build their system back up.

00:17:48.000 But the other president, it was rigged.

00:17:50.000 It was completely rigged.

00:17:51.000 So does it make it better or worse if millions of people leave that country?

00:17:56.000 For Peru.

00:17:58.000 Can you, like, what do you mean by this?

00:18:00.000 If 3 million people left Peru, does Peru get greater or weaker?

00:18:03.000 Stronger or weaker?

00:18:08.000 Neither.

00:18:08.000 I mean, it's in a weak state right now.

00:18:10.000 I mean, it's pretty obvious.

00:18:12.000 I'm trying to even say that mass immigration is bad for everybody. 1.00

00:18:15.000 It's bad for America, and it's bad for the country that people are leaving from. 0.99

00:18:18.000 The only difference is that they send back American money through remittances that actually subsidize this entire thing.

00:18:24.000 Let me ask one final question.

00:18:25.000 If somebody comes into America without invitation and they are illegal, what do you think the penalty should be?

00:18:33.000 I think it's humane to look at their case and why they had to leave everything they've ever known.

00:18:38.000 We believe that we should send them back to their country of origin. 1.00

00:18:45.000 I just want to make one more final point.

00:18:47.000 So I do understand that, but my final point is that do you agree that we should implement more money to the immigration system?

00:18:53.000 No, I think we should have no immigrants in the country for the next 10 years. 1.00

00:18:56.000 We have way too many people in this country, and I'll prove it to you here in California.

00:19:00.000 Your hospitals are overrun.

00:19:02.000 Your schools are overrun.

00:19:03.000 Do you guys agree that you have a crowded state right now?

00:19:09.000 California is a cluttered state with social services that are being strained.

00:19:15.000 And we need a pause on all immigration, in my opinion, to metaphorically digest the major meal that we just ate, or else we are going to have a major, major assimilation problem, cultural problem, Cohesion problem, all sorts of issues. 0.93

00:19:32.000 And I know this is a provocative thing to say, but immigration is something that you use as a way to benefit the homeland.

00:19:39.000 You don't have to have immigration.

00:19:41.000 But just as an example, my parents came here, like I said, legally, zero dollars, and they have benefited so much the country.

00:19:47.000 They have made so much, like hundreds and thousands of dollars.

00:19:50.000 Praise God, that's the American dream.

00:19:52.000 It is, and it's just like a hard thing to do.

00:19:54.000 And I want American-born young people from UC Riverside to also have that American dream and not have to compete against foreigners for that.

00:20:02.000 Thank you for your time.

00:20:03.000 Can I say one point?

00:20:04.000 We have a long line.

00:20:04.000 Thank you.

00:20:05.000 Really quick, though.

00:20:06.000 Okay, again, what is it?

00:20:07.000 Sorry.

00:20:07.000 Okay.

00:20:08.000 I understand.

00:20:08.000 The American dream is hard.

00:20:10.000 My parents, my mom was pregnant, working two jobs one day, and she sacrificed everything, and now she has more money than the average American. 0.99

00:20:18.000 Praise God, that is the American dream.

00:20:19.000 Thank you very much.

00:20:20.000 It's hard work.

00:20:21.000 Thank you.

00:20:23.000 And I'm glad she came here legally.

00:20:24.000 That deserves to be applauded.

00:20:25.000 Very much so.

00:20:26.000 Thank you.

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00:21:24.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:21:25.000 Hey, everyone.

00:21:26.000 How are you?

00:21:28.000 So, today, I'll be honest, good to meet you.

00:21:32.000 I'm not a very political person.

00:21:34.000 I'm here for the love of the game only.

00:21:36.000 And I want to see your views, you know?

00:21:39.000 So, my topic of discussion is going to be that college is not a scam.

00:21:43.000 And please hear me out till the end before I ask my question.

00:21:47.000 So it kind of makes sense.

00:21:49.000 So I understand everything you say.

00:21:52.000 You said college is a scam.

00:21:53.000 And the issue is because there is a lot of student loans.

00:21:56.000 There is people who drop out of college every year.

00:21:59.000 There is a lot of people who can't find jobs.

00:22:00.000 Government's funding it.

00:22:02.000 And why should taxpayers pay for it?

00:22:03.000 I understand.

00:22:04.000 It's a concern.

00:22:05.000 It's valid.

00:22:06.000 But at the same time, scam means fraud.

00:22:09.000 And fraud is not what college is.

00:22:12.000 Because colleges don't promise guaranteed success.

00:22:14.000 Colleges promise access to resources which they do deliver. 0.99

00:22:18.000 And it's up to the people to actually be accountable and use those resources correctly.

00:22:23.000 But what happens a lot of times is that a lot of people don't use it correctly and fail.

00:22:27.000 I do agree that there needs to be reforms.

00:22:29.000 I think especially the funding of colleges should be reformed, how the government funds may be limited, maybe more structured and with more oversight.

00:22:37.000 But at the end of the day, colleges do provide a lot of value to the society.

00:22:42.000 And also, people who do go to colleges, on average, statistically, earn higher income on average, have half the unemployment rate, and they have more opportunities.

00:22:52.000 So my question to you is, are you denying the data?

00:22:55.000 Okay, so let's define a scam.

00:22:56.000 What is a scam?

00:22:57.000 Well, I just defined it.

00:22:58.000 Fraud, right?

00:22:59.000 Yes.

00:22:59.000 So would you agree in a scam, you force a customer to buy something against their will?

00:23:03.000 Here's the thing.

00:23:04.000 Yes or no?

00:23:05.000 I let you talk.

00:23:05.000 Yes or no?

00:23:06.000 Yes, but here's the question.

00:23:06.000 Okay, how many of you have to take classes against your will that are wasting your time?

00:23:09.000 Look around.

00:23:10.000 Hold on.

00:23:10.000 Hold on, look around.

00:23:12.000 I let you talk.

00:23:12.000 Look around.

00:23:14.000 You haven't looked around yet?

00:23:15.000 I have taken classes myself.

00:23:16.000 Every hand is up.

00:23:17.000 Hold on.

00:23:17.000 You just agreed a scam would make people buy something against their will, and every hand went up in the audience saying they have to take classes against their will.

00:23:25.000 You just now agreed, using Aristotelian logic, that that's a scam.

00:23:30.000 Hold on.

00:23:31.000 Don't people choose to go to college?

00:23:32.000 Not always.

00:23:33.000 Well, of course they have the agency.

00:23:36.000 A lot are pressured by parents.

00:23:37.000 Time out.

00:23:38.000 Of course they have the agency to do that.

00:23:40.000 But there's a cultural expectation to get that piece of paper.

00:23:43.000 Secondly, to your point about earning more money, do you know half of the kids in this audience, if they get a job, they'll get a job that does not require a college degree?

00:23:52.000 I've actually fact-checked your data.

00:23:54.000 It's from the Department of Education.

00:23:55.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:23:56.000 The reality is that's true only for entry-level roles.

00:23:58.000 Later in the career, that's not the case.

00:24:00.000 Average college graduate earns 80% higher income compared to high school graduates.

00:24:05.000 If they graduate.

00:24:06.000 See, that's a deceiving statistic.

00:24:08.000 I wrote a whole book on this.

00:24:09.000 It's very deceiving.

00:24:10.000 Let me tell you why.

00:24:11.000 Because you're taking the top income earners of doctors and lawyers and engineers, and it brings the average up even more.

00:24:16.000 When in reality, you look at people who study the humanities.

00:24:19.000 You have a big humanities school at UC Riverside.

00:24:21.000 They will, on average, earn maybe $50,000 or $60,000 a year.

00:24:24.000 Secondly.

00:24:25.000 Even liberal arts graduates earn $15,000 to $40,000 more than high school graduates.

00:24:29.000 Incorrect.

00:24:30.000 That's old data.

00:24:30.000 That's correct.

00:24:31.000 That's correct.

00:24:32.000 How many people here would be thrilled earning $70,000 a year right now?

00:24:35.000 That's higher than the average.

00:24:36.000 Wrong.

00:24:37.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, hundreds of thousands of high school juniors, high school juniors getting $70,000 a year job offers for not going to college to become plumbers, welders, and electricians.

00:24:48.000 They don't have to go to college.

00:24:49.000 They don't have to get student loan debt.

00:24:51.000 I let you talk, let me talk.

00:24:52.000 So they don't have to go into debt.

00:24:54.000 They don't have to get any degree.

00:24:55.000 I'm sure almost everyone in this audience would be like, boy, I would kill to earn 70 grand a year.

00:25:00.000 And yet how many people in this audience were told a fair hearing, hey, you don't need to go to four-year college.

00:25:05.000 You could earn $70,000 as a high school junior to become a welder.

00:25:10.000 That is not a truth that is.

00:25:11.000 Labor statistics says that on average, the college graduates earn about 30% higher than trade school graduates.

00:25:20.000 And I agree, there are alternatives.

00:25:22.000 College is not for everyone.

00:25:23.000 I totally agree with you.

00:25:24.000 People could go to trade school.

00:25:25.000 They could start a business.

00:25:26.000 But everything comes with risk.

00:25:28.000 We got to look at what is college promising the students.

00:25:30.000 College is promising access to resources and it provides them.

00:25:34.000 Incorrect.

00:25:34.000 Colleges, implicitly and explicitly, through their website and their promotional material, tell parents that if you come here, you will have a better life.

00:25:42.000 That is the sales pitch.

00:25:43.000 Can you show me that?

00:25:44.000 I guarantee you if someone does that.

00:25:47.000 I've looked all over the place.

00:25:48.000 I haven't seen a single university that guarantees success or happiness.

00:25:51.000 Hold on a second.

00:25:52.000 They promise resources.

00:25:52.000 I just said implicitly and explicitly, almost every single college has on their website preparing leaders for a better tomorrow.

00:26:00.000 Preparing leaders for an ever-changing world.

00:26:02.000 And if you go through that, they have all these deceiving statistics that if you come to this college for four years, allow me to finish talking, okay?

00:26:11.000 Again.

00:26:12.000 For four years.

00:26:13.000 Yep, someone.

00:26:15.000 We're going to keep going.

00:26:15.000 Don't stare.

00:26:16.000 We tried to warn about that.

00:26:17.000 Get them some water, too.

00:26:20.000 Yeah, and you get a signed hat.

00:26:21.000 Don't faint just for the signed hat.

00:26:23.000 Of course, I acknowledge that some college graduates do better.

00:26:27.000 That window is increasingly closing.

00:26:29.000 Now, let me ask you another argument that you might not be prepared for.

00:26:33.000 Almost everybody in this audience is studying something that will be irrelevant because of artificial intelligence.

00:26:38.000 Do you think at this school, every single course and every degree is really prepared for the AI revolution that is coming next?

00:26:46.000 Now, let me ask you a question.

00:26:48.000 You have to answer mine.

00:26:49.000 What are your alternatives?

00:26:51.000 Oh, I have plenty.

00:26:52.000 So actually, you know, there's 11 million job openings right now that pay you more than $75,000 a year that don't require a college degree.

00:26:58.000 Right now.

00:26:59.000 But did you not?

00:27:00.000 11 million.

00:27:01.000 Over 95% of U.S. employers still require a college degree from mid to high roles.

00:27:06.000 And about 40% requirements.

00:27:09.000 Again, you didn't even answer my question.

00:27:10.000 You're dodging it.

00:27:11.000 But again, that number's coming down.

00:27:14.000 Secondly, 11 million jobs that pay more than $75,000 a year that don't require a college degree.

00:27:20.000 My alternative also is this.

00:27:22.000 If you want to get something specialized, of course go to college.

00:27:25.000 The vast majority of kids that go to college are studying the humanities, soft social sciences, psychology, or communications.

00:27:31.000 They're not studying to become engineers or doctors or nurses, all of which I totally understand.

00:27:35.000 And what you're basically saying, your argument, which is true, but it's fraudulent, come here to get a piece of paper because once you get the piece of paper, then you'll get a job.

00:27:43.000 That's not true.

00:27:44.000 No one is promising that.

00:27:45.000 College promises access to resources.

00:27:48.000 Access to preparation, to leadership doesn't mean guarantee.

00:27:51.000 It only gives access.

00:27:52.000 You are the one responsible.

00:27:53.000 I think it should be merit-based and people should take accountability for their actions.

00:27:57.000 If they come to college and be like, oh, they don't have classes, they are going to have nothing.

00:28:01.000 Do they have job preparedness at the school?

00:28:03.000 Yes, there is a career preparedness center.

00:28:05.000 I've went to it.

00:28:05.000 Hold on, wait, they have a whole center about career preparedness, so they're selling career preparedness.

00:28:09.000 Yes, and you got to go to the next one.

00:28:10.000 You're just making my point.

00:28:12.000 Wait, hold on.

00:28:12.000 So they're selling preparedness.

00:28:14.000 I'm out.

00:28:14.000 You keep interrupting me, man.

00:28:15.000 Again, do they teach you to interrupt in college this much?

00:28:18.000 It's like you ought to let the other person talk, okay?

00:28:20.000 Let me be honest, I respect you, but no one interrupts more than you.

00:28:22.000 And career preparedness centers.

00:28:25.000 Career preparedness centers are implicitly and explicitly telling you you're getting something of value.

00:28:30.000 And again, half the people in this audience, if they get a job, they'll get a job that doesn't require a college degree.

00:28:36.000 They'll be burdened with debt.

00:28:37.000 It's four years of wasted time, talent, and treasure.

00:28:40.000 And finally, and most importantly, almost every one of your careers will be rendered obsolete by AI in the next 10 years.

00:28:46.000 Hold on, are you denying the data that $1.2 million higher earnings in median for college graduates?

00:28:52.000 I've already explained that.

00:28:53.000 That's not the mean.

00:28:54.000 You were talking about the average.

00:28:55.000 What about the median?

00:28:56.000 I've already explained it's not degree specific.

00:28:59.000 Also, one other stat.

00:29:00.000 Do you know that four out of 10 kids that go to college do not graduate?

00:29:04.000 Four out of 10 kids that go to college do not graduate.

00:29:06.000 That's not true.

00:29:07.000 It is.

00:29:07.000 59% is the national graduation rate.

00:29:09.000 Okay, again, I can't have a conversation if you deal in different factions.

00:29:13.000 I'm just trying to say the same degree.

00:29:15.000 If you're talking about dropout rates, I totally agree with you. 1.00

00:29:17.000 There is a lot of people dropping out.

00:29:18.000 That's an issue.

00:29:19.000 We should find ways to fix that.

00:29:21.000 Hello.

00:29:22.000 I just want to say first, thank you for debating and coming to UCR.

00:29:26.000 And my main question is, all of us, I don't want to speak for everybody, but most of us here believe in the American dream.

00:29:33.000 And one of the core aspects of the American dream is a meritocracy.

00:29:37.000 Am I right in saying that?

00:29:39.000 And so one of the true fundamental points of a true meritocracy is equal opportunity for people.

00:29:46.000 Is there aspects of...

00:29:49.000 Why do you say that?

00:29:50.000 Well, because that will never be achieved.

00:29:52.000 It could be a goal, but it will never be reality.

00:29:54.000 For example, do you and I have equal opportunity to play in the NBA's LeBron James?

00:30:01.000 No.

00:30:01.000 Okay, so that's what I'm saying.

00:30:02.000 It's never going to happen.

00:30:04.000 I'm talking about some people who have the abilities.

00:30:06.000 Like, for example, I'm going to use the SAT as an example.

00:30:10.000 Like, let's say two people took the SAT at the same, a practice SAT at the same day.

00:30:15.000 One person scored 100 points higher than the other person.

00:30:18.000 But that same person who scored 100 points higher doesn't have the same resources to maintain studying while the other person has the resources.

00:30:25.000 Is there any way you propose that both people have the equal opportunity?

00:30:29.000 Because in theoretical, a meritocracy says that person with 100 points higher at the start will eventually be at a higher position?

00:30:36.000 The only solution would be an IQ test, and the left hates IQ tests.

00:30:40.000 IQ tests are a great way to bring back true meritocracy because IQ tests are study and preparation agnostic.

00:30:47.000 Are you familiar with an intelligent quotient test?

00:30:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:51.000 but they don't like it because the left says they're racist because, I mean, you can read Charles Murray's bell curve why they don't like it.

00:31:00.000 I believe in the IQ tests have validity, but I don't think it should be the defining factor.

00:31:06.000 Okay.

00:31:06.000 I mean, then you don't believe in a meritocracy.

00:31:08.000 But the thing is, an IQ test has specific types of intelligence which is being tested.

00:31:13.000 People have different types of intelligence which are more suited for different professions.

00:31:17.000 Yes, I agree.

00:31:18.000 And certain companies should, again, companies got away from IQ tests like 20 years ago because they were all called racist, but fair enough.

00:31:24.000 I think IQ tests are a great way to cut through preparation.

00:31:27.000 And I will even acknowledge that if you could pay for a really good tutor and get it higher, we took the ACT where I'm from, the Midwest.

00:31:33.000 We didn't take the SCT, but you could get a higher ACT score with proper preparation and if you spend money on it.

00:31:38.000 I totally acknowledge that.

00:31:39.000 Yeah, so the thing is, I've always been brought up with the idea that a meritocracy will bring me my American dream.

00:31:47.000 And outside of an IQ test, if the left is so against it, would you propose or would you suggest any other ways that we can theoretically do it without still being true to the meritocracy that brings the American dream what it is?

00:32:00.000 I can't think of one.

00:32:00.000 I'm looking for it, but I mean, again, I think an IQ test is a great colorblind preparation-agnostic way to find out people that have the acumen to be able to do the task.

00:32:11.000 And when we go to the IQ test, would you suggest that there's different types of IQ tests for different sure?

00:32:16.000 I mean, of course, there's variety, but the generally agreed upon IQ test that was developed in the late 80s is pretty good.

00:32:22.000 Okay, that was a great question.

00:32:23.000 Great question.

00:32:24.000 Thank you very much.

00:32:25.000 Yes, thank you.

00:32:27.000 Yeah, I'll sign it.

00:32:29.000 Hello.

00:32:30.000 Hello.

00:32:31.000 Great to see you, Charlie.

00:32:33.000 So maybe I really am just Uncle Tom's favorite nephew, but I do have a quick question.

00:32:38.000 What is so wrong with mass incarceration if the only way to be incarcerated is to commit a crime?

00:32:45.000 There's nothing wrong with mass incarceration.

00:32:47.000 In fact, we need more prisoners in this country, not less prisoners, and we let prisoners out of jail way too quickly in America.

00:32:52.000 But isn't it racist to have mass incarceration? 0.87

00:32:55.000 You know what?

00:32:56.000 I don't think it's racist because I've been black for 28 years and I've yet to go to jail or prison. 0.96

00:33:04.000 But come on, the justice system is rigged against black people. 0.99

00:33:07.000 You're a white supremacist. 1.00

00:33:08.000 You know what? 0.96

00:33:09.000 I still don't know how white supremacy would benefit me, but I love it here in America.

00:33:13.000 Amen.

00:33:14.000 God bless you, man.

00:33:14.000 Thank you.

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00:34:24.000 Hello, so I want to talk about the debate of abortion.

00:34:29.000 So I know that it's something very controversial.

00:34:32.000 Some people are pro-choice, some people are pro-life.

00:34:36.000 Before I start, I want to make sure that I understand your opinion fully so I don't take what I've heard online.

00:34:42.000 What is your stance on abortion?

00:34:44.000 Life begins at conception.

00:34:46.000 Okay, so where do you, Is that during sperm?

00:34:51.000 When new DNA is formed.

00:34:53.000 Okay, when new DNA is formed.

00:34:55.000 So the egg by itself, you don't think, is anything?

00:34:58.000 Sorry?

00:34:58.000 The egg of a woman by itself, do you think it's anything?

00:35:01.000 It's something, but it's not a life, correct?

00:35:02.000 Okay, that's, okay.

00:35:04.000 So my question is, when you talk about abortion and why you think you said, why you support it, why you don't support it, sorry.

00:35:12.000 Why you don't support it, what do you use as your evidence?

00:35:14.000 You use scientific evidence?

00:35:16.000 Do you talk about the Bible?

00:35:17.000 Do you use both?

00:35:18.000 Mainly scientific and self-evident reason.

00:35:21.000 Okay.

00:35:22.000 So are you someone who's a follower of the Bible?

00:35:24.000 I am, but that's not relevant to this discussion, but we could talk about it if you'd like.

00:35:28.000 I find it relevant because when I'm going to talk about abortion, there's quotes in the Bible that I think support pro-choice, in my opinion.

00:35:40.000 Bible, Exodus.

00:35:44.000 Exodus 21, 22 through 25, when men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her child come out, so miscarriage, but there is no harm to the woman, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine.

00:36:02.000 But if there is harm to the woman, you shall pay life for life, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

00:36:10.000 So I know that that can be interpreted different ways.

00:36:12.000 The Bible is interpreted many ways.

00:36:14.000 There's different types, different interpretations.

00:36:17.000 But this says if a person causes a miscarriage through a woman, that they will pay for the abortion.

00:36:26.000 So they will pay.

00:36:27.000 Another one will punish them.

00:36:29.000 That is not what this law says, but let me just ask, are you a Christian?

00:36:33.000 Yes.

00:36:33.000 Okay, then continue.

00:36:37.000 Do you believe in the inerrant word of God?

00:36:39.000 Yes.

00:36:39.000 Okay, good.

00:36:40.000 Yes.

00:36:41.000 So it says that, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine.

00:36:47.000 So the judges determine, and it's talking about the husband, so therefore it's talking about a person, not God himself, not his judgment.

00:36:54.000 So it's saying if someone has an abortion, we have the right to choose what to do to them. 0.91

00:36:59.000 Can you say it was a miscarriage, not an abortion?

00:37:02.000 It says when man strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that's causing her to lose the baby.

00:37:08.000 That's outside cause.

00:37:10.000 Outside cause.

00:37:11.000 Therefore it could mean abortion.

00:37:12.000 Because some people find that abrasive abortion is through violence, such as hitting, because not everyone has access to medical.

00:37:20.000 Was it the intent for them to kill the baby?

00:37:23.000 It's unclarified, so that I cannot tell you.

00:37:26.000 It's unclarified.

00:37:28.000 However, what I will say is that it says that it's the judges determine, the husband determines.

00:37:34.000 So God's not making the choice for us what to do with the person who does that to someone's child, does that to their own child.

00:37:43.000 But it does say that if the woman is harmed, her herself, not the child, then they are liable by God, their life for her life, their foot for her foot.

00:37:52.000 So what I'm saying is, if somebody needs an abortion for health care, let's say a woman, baby's not going to make it, and if the baby stays in her womb, she will die. 0.99

00:38:03.000 And they refuse her an abortion, they refuse her that health care and she dies, should the doctor be liable under God?

00:38:11.000 First of all, those instances don't happen.

00:38:13.000 So let's just be clear.

00:38:14.000 No, see, you guys are so propagandized by this.

00:38:16.000 That only happens in a very rare case of the breaking of the uterine.

00:38:19.000 So it does happen.

00:38:20.000 But no, but where the baby is already dead.

00:38:22.000 And that's what the point is that the baby is already dead.

00:38:24.000 That's a removal of a carcass of a baby.

00:38:27.000 Is it really still medically?

00:38:28.000 No, it's not.

00:38:28.000 That's incorrect.

00:38:29.000 No, it's not.

00:38:30.000 No, it's not.

00:38:31.000 A removal of a carcass of a baby is not an abortion.

00:38:34.000 Those are two technically different things.

00:38:36.000 It is not a DNE.

00:38:37.000 It is not.

00:38:38.000 A DNE is something completely different.

00:38:40.000 But then, if you want to talk about scripture, do you think we are bound to all 613 Levitical laws?

00:38:48.000 Yes, if you're a follower of the Bible, you cannot pick and choose what you follow.

00:38:51.000 Oh, so do you eat kosher?

00:38:53.000 You cannot pick and choose.

00:38:54.000 Do you eat kosher?

00:38:55.000 No.

00:38:55.000 Well, I thought you were bound to all 613 laws.

00:38:58.000 I'm not perfect.

00:38:59.000 I'm a sinner.

00:39:00.000 Everyone here is a sinner, but if you...

00:39:02.000 Do you think Christians should eat kosher? 1.00

00:39:04.000 If you cannot choose to follow the Bible, you cannot pick and choose what you follow.

00:39:08.000 Of course, but we do believe in a new covenant, an old covenant.

00:39:11.000 So there's three types of Old Testament laws, right?

00:39:13.000 There's ceremonial, there's civil, and moral.

00:39:16.000 So ceremonial laws we do not honor.

00:39:18.000 Civil we consider, moral, we actually do.

00:39:20.000 Why do humans decide what to follow in God's word?

00:39:23.000 Because Christ actually it's not us, it's not humans.

00:39:25.000 So Paul actually authored in the book of Colossians.

00:39:28.000 That's a human. 0.92

00:39:30.000 Right.

00:39:30.000 Inspired by the Holy Spirit, which wrote the Bible, the ordinances of Moses are nailed to the cross.

00:39:37.000 Secondly, Christ our Lord repeated nine out of ten of the Ten Commandments.

00:39:42.000 And he said, all the laws of the prophet hang upon the two teachings of Leviticus 19 and Deuteronomy 6.

00:39:47.000 But now I equally have to challenge you with scripture.

00:39:50.000 In Luke 1, when Elizabeth came in contact with Mary and both were babies, what did it say that John the Baptist did?

00:40:01.000 I cannot tell you that.

00:40:03.000 He leapt.

00:40:04.000 Okay.

00:40:05.000 Do non-babies leap? 1.00

00:40:10.000 I don't understand the question.

00:40:11.000 I'm going to be honest.

00:40:13.000 Isn't it a baby then worthy of protection if they're leaping?

00:40:17.000 I suppose?

00:40:19.000 Yes.

00:40:19.000 And it was the Greek word brephos, which literally means baby, intentionally used throughout.

00:40:24.000 Hold on.

00:40:24.000 In Jeremiah, it says, I knew you before you were in the womb.

00:40:27.000 In Psalm, I think 139, it's one of the most intricate verses about the detail of our formation process as human beings.

00:40:34.000 And finally, because of science, because of biology, we know that human life begins at that spark of new DNA.

00:40:41.000 And God says, do not murder.

00:40:43.000 And it's incumbent on Christians to therefore protect that life. 0.85

00:40:46.000 Okay.

00:40:47.000 So my biggest question is, I'm not saying that all abortion is valid.

00:40:52.000 I feel like that's up for everyone to decide.

00:40:54.000 But in the most, even if it's very small percentage, in the very small percentage that a baby is alive, but it has to be aborted for the sake of the mother, what do you think?

00:41:04.000 C-section.

00:41:05.000 What is a C-section?

00:41:07.000 A C-section is when you cut a mother's. 0.97

00:41:09.000 Why don't they do that instead of the abortion? 1.00

00:41:11.000 Because it could be equally as dangerous.

00:41:13.000 Wrong.

00:41:13.000 It's much safer than an abortion and quicker.

00:41:15.000 Do you have evidence?

00:41:16.000 I mean, yes, it's self-evident.

00:41:19.000 Can you tell me?

00:41:20.000 I mean, again, there's plenty of people.

00:41:22.000 He has evidence.

00:41:23.000 Plenty of people that are in medicine can tell you, but like, to be very clear, think about it.

00:41:28.000 Every hospital is equipped to do C-sections.

00:41:31.000 You have to go to a specific place for an abortion. 1.00

00:41:33.000 And a C-section, one-third out of everyone in this audience was born by C-section.

00:41:38.000 C-sections save lives.

00:41:39.000 They do not terminate lives.

00:41:41.000 And so when they say, we must abort the baby, thanks to modern technology, that's actually a false choice.

00:41:46.000 You could take the baby out of the environment and try to save its life as a cesarean section.

00:41:51.000 What if when the C-section happens, the baby's not able to survive on its own no matter what?

00:41:55.000 Okay, well then that's a separate circumstance.

00:41:56.000 It's like saying if the baby has a heart attack after the C-section, that's not a reason not to terminate it.

00:42:02.000 What do you mean?

00:42:04.000 You have to give everybody a chance at life.

00:42:07.000 You don't kill the baby in the womb just because you think that it's going to, well, it could hurt the mother.

00:42:12.000 You take it out of that environment.

00:42:14.000 Okay, but what I'm saying is if they take the baby out and they know it's not going to survive regardless.

00:42:20.000 How do they know that post-22 weeks?

00:42:22.000 You don't know that.

00:42:24.000 There's miracles that happen every day in the neonatal.

00:42:26.000 That's true.

00:42:27.000 Hold on.

00:42:28.000 In the neonatal intensive care unit, there's miracles that happen every day in NICUs.

00:42:32.000 And I agree, there's definitely, they don't know 100% for sure, but there's definitely probability through science, through biology, that they know, hey, this is more likely going to happen.

00:42:40.000 We don't do morals on probability.

00:42:44.000 I'm not saying it's morality.

00:42:45.000 I'm saying probability of a baby's going to survive or not.

00:42:48.000 It doesn't matter.

00:42:49.000 You don't terminate a life based on a probability of survival.

00:42:53.000 Oh, you do?

00:42:55.000 Interesting. 0.94

00:42:56.000 You guys murder people based on probability of survival? 0.92

00:43:00.000 Interesting. 0.97

00:43:01.000 So somebody on a ventilator should just be murdered?

00:43:04.000 I mean, it's such incredible morality.

00:43:05.000 Would you keep someone on a ventilator for the entire of everything else then?

00:43:09.000 It depends.

00:43:10.000 There's two different things.

00:43:11.000 There's no more and not yet.

00:43:12.000 Once you reach the level of no more human interventions can improve this person's life or bring them back to a full life, that is a separate moral decision than not yet.

00:43:22.000 When a human being is at not yet, which they are in the womb, you must do everything you can to make sure they get life.

00:43:27.000 When a human being is at no more, it's a completely separate moral dimension and decision to make.

00:43:31.000 No more and not yet are the ways to look at pro-life decisions.

00:43:34.000 That makes sense?

00:43:35.000 Yes, that makes sense.

00:43:36.000 Well, thank you for debating with me.

00:43:37.000 Thank you very much.

00:43:38.000 Agree to disagree.

00:43:39.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:43:40.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:43:43.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:43:44.000 God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 28, 2025

Charlie vs. The Students of Riverside

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