In this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk is joined by Turning Point USA President Charlie Kirk to debate abortion, rape, and abortion rights. Charlie and I debate abortion and rape, abortion rights, and rape culture in America.
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00:02:41.000And my only concern as I was thinking about it, it's just hard for girls that do happen to get raped, you know, whether they're unconscious and drugged or just whatever happens, incest or whatever.
00:02:53.000Would you be able to just defend just any abortion or non-abortions on rape?
00:02:59.000And if I could just hear your point of view on that.
00:05:23.000So we're five months into the President Trump's presidency, and a lot of Democrats will state, you know, like, oh, he's doing this wrong and this, this, this.
00:05:36.000Well, gas prices in California are up.
00:05:38.000Actually, across the country, they're going down dramatically.
00:05:41.000One of the reasons is that Gavin Newsom and Democrats have intentionally done this.
00:05:47.000The way that, again, it's a little wonky, but it's a refinery issue.
00:05:51.000You guys have made a decision here in this state to have intentionally high gas prices.
00:05:56.000And because of that, your leaders here in California, they basically almost wanted to make it impossible to own a petroleum-based petroleum-fired vehicle.
00:06:06.000And we want to try to bring gas prices down for all Americans.
00:06:10.000One of the reasons why I hope that you guys get a new governor in 2026.
00:06:32.000The topic I want to discuss with you today is it's on reparations, but more so why there's a bias towards black Americans when it comes to reparations.
00:06:44.000Now, I understand that no black American alive has ever been a slave.
00:06:58.000The point I wanted to make is that reparations have been given to other ethnic groups, Asian Americans for their incarceration during World War II, Native Hawaiians.
00:07:11.000Sorry, I wrote it all down, but even former slave owners, specifically the ones in the North that had to give up their slaves, they were compensated for former slaves.
00:07:22.000However, why is it that when it comes to black people receiving reparations, there seems to be a lot of pushback to the point where now, you know, there's, you know, now it's almost laughable to even think about black people getting reparations for something in the past.
00:07:40.000Well, for any of those examples, was there intergenerational reparations given?
00:08:44.000But the example I wanted to use was the two Tulsa survivors.
00:08:49.000They tried to, you know, they're aged, you know, over 100 years old.
00:08:53.000They've tried to sue the Oklahoma government for reparations for their lost property.
00:08:58.000And they were actually denied reparations.
00:09:01.000And to me, when I read about that, because to me, that was kind of the test to see, like, okay, they say reparations shouldn't go to people who weren't directly affected.
00:09:10.000Well, here we have two people who were directly affected, who were there, and they were still denied reparations.
00:09:16.000So to me, that kind of confirmed that it was never about who was directly affected or not.
00:09:22.000To me, it just sounds like there's a bias towards black Americans.
00:09:26.000Okay, I don't know about that incidence.
00:10:00.000But yeah, basically, I just wanted you to, I didn't know if I was going to change your mind, but it's something I wanted you to think about.
00:10:07.000I'll research the example that you gave.
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00:14:29.000Yeah, but it's not their country, though.
00:14:31.000And that's the, so let me just, here's a, if I went to Mexico without being invited or allowed and I took a job and the Mexican government found out, what would the Mexican government do to me?
00:15:18.000Then why doesn't that moral standard apply to immigration?
00:15:21.000Because the system isn't doing its job.
00:15:24.000That's why I think we should implement more money.
00:15:26.000Because there is some people, like I do get it, you know, some people come here and then I do admit some of them commit crime, but not all of them.
00:15:32.000No, no, but they're all criminals if they came illegally.
00:16:26.000And by the way, if we apply this, if we apply that logic that if somebody is in danger, they're allowed to come to America, would you be okay welcoming 500 million people into America?
00:16:37.000That's why we should implement the system to understand each other.
00:16:46.000And that's the point, is that if everyone all of a sudden declared that their life was in danger, we'd have to let in like all of Nicaragua, all of Honduras, almost all of Venezuela.
00:16:55.000The standard all of a sudden starts falling apart.
00:16:58.000And we find that people lie about this, they deceive it.
00:17:03.000Why don't we try to empower those people to make the countries they're coming from greater and stronger, else this problem will actually never be fixed at the root level?
00:19:03.000Do you guys agree that you have a crowded state right now?
00:19:09.000California is a cluttered state with social services that are being strained.
00:19:15.000And we need a pause on all immigration, in my opinion, to metaphorically digest the major meal that we just ate, or else we are going to have a major, major assimilation problem, cultural problem, Cohesion problem, all sorts of issues.
00:19:32.000And I know this is a provocative thing to say, but immigration is something that you use as a way to benefit the homeland.
00:19:41.000But just as an example, my parents came here, like I said, legally, zero dollars, and they have benefited so much the country.
00:19:47.000They have made so much, like hundreds and thousands of dollars.
00:19:50.000Praise God, that's the American dream.
00:19:52.000It is, and it's just like a hard thing to do.
00:19:54.000And I want American-born young people from UC Riverside to also have that American dream and not have to compete against foreigners for that.
00:20:10.000My parents, my mom was pregnant, working two jobs one day, and she sacrificed everything, and now she has more money than the average American.
00:20:18.000Praise God, that is the American dream.
00:22:14.000Colleges promise access to resources which they do deliver.
00:22:18.000And it's up to the people to actually be accountable and use those resources correctly.
00:22:23.000But what happens a lot of times is that a lot of people don't use it correctly and fail.
00:22:27.000I do agree that there needs to be reforms.
00:22:29.000I think especially the funding of colleges should be reformed, how the government funds may be limited, maybe more structured and with more oversight.
00:22:37.000But at the end of the day, colleges do provide a lot of value to the society.
00:22:42.000And also, people who do go to colleges, on average, statistically, earn higher income on average, have half the unemployment rate, and they have more opportunities.
00:22:52.000So my question to you is, are you denying the data?
00:23:17.000You just agreed a scam would make people buy something against their will, and every hand went up in the audience saying they have to take classes against their will.
00:23:25.000You just now agreed, using Aristotelian logic, that that's a scam.
00:23:38.000Of course they have the agency to do that.
00:23:40.000But there's a cultural expectation to get that piece of paper.
00:23:43.000Secondly, to your point about earning more money, do you know half of the kids in this audience, if they get a job, they'll get a job that does not require a college degree?
00:24:37.000According to the Wall Street Journal, hundreds of thousands of high school juniors, high school juniors getting $70,000 a year job offers for not going to college to become plumbers, welders, and electricians.
00:25:34.000Colleges, implicitly and explicitly, through their website and their promotional material, tell parents that if you come here, you will have a better life.
00:25:52.000I just said implicitly and explicitly, almost every single college has on their website preparing leaders for a better tomorrow.
00:26:00.000Preparing leaders for an ever-changing world.
00:26:02.000And if you go through that, they have all these deceiving statistics that if you come to this college for four years, allow me to finish talking, okay?
00:26:52.000So actually, you know, there's 11 million job openings right now that pay you more than $75,000 a year that don't require a college degree.
00:27:22.000If you want to get something specialized, of course go to college.
00:27:25.000The vast majority of kids that go to college are studying the humanities, soft social sciences, psychology, or communications.
00:27:31.000They're not studying to become engineers or doctors or nurses, all of which I totally understand.
00:27:35.000And what you're basically saying, your argument, which is true, but it's fraudulent, come here to get a piece of paper because once you get the piece of paper, then you'll get a job.
00:30:04.000I'm talking about some people who have the abilities.
00:30:06.000Like, for example, I'm going to use the SAT as an example.
00:30:10.000Like, let's say two people took the SAT at the same, a practice SAT at the same day.
00:30:15.000One person scored 100 points higher than the other person.
00:30:18.000But that same person who scored 100 points higher doesn't have the same resources to maintain studying while the other person has the resources.
00:30:25.000Is there any way you propose that both people have the equal opportunity?
00:30:29.000Because in theoretical, a meritocracy says that person with 100 points higher at the start will eventually be at a higher position?
00:30:36.000The only solution would be an IQ test, and the left hates IQ tests.
00:30:40.000IQ tests are a great way to bring back true meritocracy because IQ tests are study and preparation agnostic.
00:30:47.000Are you familiar with an intelligent quotient test?
00:30:51.000but they don't like it because the left says they're racist because, I mean, you can read Charles Murray's bell curve why they don't like it.
00:31:00.000I believe in the IQ tests have validity, but I don't think it should be the defining factor.
00:31:18.000And certain companies should, again, companies got away from IQ tests like 20 years ago because they were all called racist, but fair enough.
00:31:24.000I think IQ tests are a great way to cut through preparation.
00:31:27.000And I will even acknowledge that if you could pay for a really good tutor and get it higher, we took the ACT where I'm from, the Midwest.
00:31:33.000We didn't take the SCT, but you could get a higher ACT score with proper preparation and if you spend money on it.
00:31:39.000Yeah, so the thing is, I've always been brought up with the idea that a meritocracy will bring me my American dream.
00:31:47.000And outside of an IQ test, if the left is so against it, would you propose or would you suggest any other ways that we can theoretically do it without still being true to the meritocracy that brings the American dream what it is?
00:32:00.000I'm looking for it, but I mean, again, I think an IQ test is a great colorblind preparation-agnostic way to find out people that have the acumen to be able to do the task.
00:32:11.000And when we go to the IQ test, would you suggest that there's different types of IQ tests for different sure?
00:32:16.000I mean, of course, there's variety, but the generally agreed upon IQ test that was developed in the late 80s is pretty good.
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00:35:22.000So are you someone who's a follower of the Bible?
00:35:24.000I am, but that's not relevant to this discussion, but we could talk about it if you'd like.
00:35:28.000I find it relevant because when I'm going to talk about abortion, there's quotes in the Bible that I think support pro-choice, in my opinion.
00:35:44.000Exodus 21, 22 through 25, when men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her child come out, so miscarriage, but there is no harm to the woman, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine.
00:36:02.000But if there is harm to the woman, you shall pay life for life, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
00:36:10.000So I know that that can be interpreted different ways.
00:37:28.000However, what I will say is that it says that it's the judges determine, the husband determines.
00:37:34.000So God's not making the choice for us what to do with the person who does that to someone's child, does that to their own child.
00:37:43.000But it does say that if the woman is harmed, her herself, not the child, then they are liable by God, their life for her life, their foot for her foot.
00:37:52.000So what I'm saying is, if somebody needs an abortion for health care, let's say a woman, baby's not going to make it, and if the baby stays in her womb, she will die.
00:38:03.000And they refuse her an abortion, they refuse her that health care and she dies, should the doctor be liable under God?
00:38:11.000First of all, those instances don't happen.
00:40:47.000So my biggest question is, I'm not saying that all abortion is valid.
00:40:52.000I feel like that's up for everyone to decide.
00:40:54.000But in the most, even if it's very small percentage, in the very small percentage that a baby is alive, but it has to be aborted for the sake of the mother, what do you think?
00:42:28.000In the neonatal intensive care unit, there's miracles that happen every day in NICUs.
00:42:32.000And I agree, there's definitely, they don't know 100% for sure, but there's definitely probability through science, through biology, that they know, hey, this is more likely going to happen.
00:43:12.000Once you reach the level of no more human interventions can improve this person's life or bring them back to a full life, that is a separate moral decision than not yet.
00:43:22.000When a human being is at not yet, which they are in the womb, you must do everything you can to make sure they get life.
00:43:27.000When a human being is at no more, it's a completely separate moral dimension and decision to make.
00:43:31.000No more and not yet are the ways to look at pro-life decisions.