The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie vs. The Students on Immigration

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00:01:17.000 Let's talk about the border.

00:01:18.000 We have brought in 5% of the population of Haiti.

00:01:21.000 I don't see the issue with that, though.

00:01:24.000 You don't see the issue? 0.67

00:01:26.000 Allowing immigrants into our country, I mean, is that not the foundation of illegal immigrants? 1.00

00:01:32.000 People seeking refuge for the best country in the world.

00:01:34.000 Isn't that the whole point of your organization?

00:01:36.000 The U.S. is the best country in the world.

00:01:38.000 Shouldn't we be obligated to help people that are suffering?

00:01:40.000 Yes, America is the best country. 1.00

00:01:42.000 Therefore, its citizens should come first, not foreigners. 1.00

00:01:45.000 So we have an obligation to our own people. 1.00

00:01:47.000 Yeah, so the pathway to citizenship should become easier. 0.99

00:01:51.000 No, we should deport them all back to their homes. 1.00

00:01:53.000 We should deport them all back to their homes. 1.00

00:01:55.000 All the immigrants, okay. 1.00

00:01:57.000 All the illegal foreigners, yes. 1.00

00:01:58.000 In Springfield, Ohio, in one town, English as a second language speakers in one high school went from 250 to 1,500 kids in two years. 1.00

00:02:06.000 These communities are being overrun.

00:02:08.000 Go down to Aurora, Colorado, right down the street here. 1.00

00:02:10.000 Entire apartment complexes are now being run by Venezuelan gangs. 0.99

00:02:13.000 Not to mention every day an American citizen is being killed.

00:02:16.000 From Lakin Riley to Rachel Morin to 11 year olds that are being killed in DUI accidents.

00:02:22.000 We have a belief that our founding fathers had, which is if your government does not fulfill its obligation to its own people first, its government is not legitimate.

00:02:29.000 And that's what's happening right now.

00:02:31.000 Our government is now providing taxpayer funded cell phones.

00:02:35.000 Hotel rooms, benefits, airplane rides, cash for foreigners, but not for Americans. 0.62

00:02:41.000 If you guys, as an American citizen, want a free cell phone, they'll laugh at you. 0.88

00:02:44.000 As a foreigner from Venezuela, you get one on the southern border.

00:02:47.000 You get a flight to any city that you want.

00:02:48.000 You get a luxury hotel in New York City.

00:02:50.000 You get taxpayer funded health care.

00:02:52.000 That is the inversion.

00:02:53.000 That is elevating somebody from a distant land over our own people. 0.96

00:02:57.000 When our own kids can't afford homes, when our own people are seeing an increase in crime, homelessness, and we have over 50,000 homeless vets in this country, it's a breakdown of the social contract.

00:03:06.000 Wait, so the government should support veterans, support citizens more?

00:03:10.000 We should do.

00:03:10.000 Yeah, so.

00:03:11.000 Yeah.

00:03:12.000 So we should spend more on our people with better health care, better social programs.

00:03:16.000 That's literally what you just said. 1.00

00:03:19.000 We should spend it on veterans and not on foreigners. 0.51

00:03:22.000 Sure, and American citizens with cheaper health care. 0.91

00:03:24.000 That's what you just said.

00:03:25.000 Well, hold on.

00:03:26.000 Free phones, airplane rides, public transit. 0.53

00:03:28.000 That sounds great for Americans.

00:03:30.000 No, it sounds terrible, actually.

00:03:31.000 For Americans?

00:03:32.000 Yes, government should not be giving free phones to anybody, okay?

00:03:34.000 You said the citizens should come first in those programs.

00:03:37.000 You know how they should come first? 0.99

00:03:38.000 By not having to compete against a foreigner for your job. 1.00

00:03:41.000 But I don't think that's the case, though, when mostly. 0.96

00:03:44.000 How about this?

00:03:45.000 If your own perspective was correct, would you feel comfortable going in an Uber right now to Aurora, Colorado and going to those three apartment complexes?

00:03:54.000 I mean, according to the Aurora police, I probably would.

00:03:56.000 They say the apartment complexes are not overrun.

00:04:00.000 You should get in the car and go talk to anybody here and go knock on the door and they'll extort you for cash because we're a country that is open for looting right now.

00:04:12.000 For the entire world, over 118 countries have entered the southern border.

00:04:17.000 That we know of, at least 99 people on the terrorist watch list have come across the southern border.

00:04:22.000 We're talking about people from Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, from Iran, people from Pakistan that are coming here and mean harm to the interior of the United States.

00:04:31.000 Not to mention, we're breaking down what it means to be a citizen. 1.00

00:04:34.000 A citizen should be put first above anybody else.

00:04:37.000 If a government does not do that, then a government is not fulfilling its basic obligation.

00:04:41.000 And the number one obligation is to make sure that its people can have.

00:04:46.000 A pathway to a better life and a good life. 0.97

00:04:48.000 Not a variety of free stuff, but not have to compete with somebody from Brazil for a home. 1.00

00:04:55.000 But not sure. 1.00

00:04:55.000 The way that we're not doing that is that we're importing the third world and we're quickly becoming the third world. 1.00

00:05:00.000 So, why don't we use our resources to improve the third world so they're not coming here rather than just spending their money? 0.98

00:05:04.000 Because that's not the role of the American government. 0.95

00:05:07.000 You think we should be concerned about Central American politics. 0.59

00:05:10.000 I don't care.

00:05:11.000 I care about our own people. 0.94

00:05:12.000 You don't care about those people that are sex trafficking children.

00:05:12.000 So, then you care about the poor.

00:05:16.000 Of course, I care about it.

00:05:17.000 You say you don't want to spend the money to make that change happen.

00:05:20.000 Number one, we spent hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:05:22.000 It doesn't do anything any good.

00:05:23.000 Number two.

00:05:24.000 Number two, it is not the role of the American government to solve the problems of Panama, El Salvador, and Honduras when our own citizens are suffering and are crying out for help.

00:05:33.000 So, why has the billions of dollars spent on Central American aid over the last four years been effective at slowing the rates of sex trafficking in Central America?

00:05:41.000 Yeah, it hasn't slowed anything.

00:05:43.000 No, it's been effective.

00:05:44.000 It hasn't affected anything.

00:05:46.000 What you're talking about is bribing these governments where they then go give it to cartel leaders and say, hey, this month send 20,000 people instead of 40,000.

00:05:53.000 That's not what that money is going towards.

00:05:55.000 Going towards NGOs and bottom up stabilization.

00:05:57.000 You think NGOs spend the money correctly?

00:06:00.000 Okay, not NGOs.

00:06:00.000 That's so naive.

00:06:02.000 By the way, more people are crossing the Darien Gap than ever before.

00:06:04.000 Not to mention, they're coming across on the CBP1 app across the border into the interior of the United States in every single state. 1.00

00:06:11.000 You cannot continue to have a country if you import an unfamiliar third world this quickly into America. 1.00

00:06:18.000 So there should be a path to immigration. 1.00

00:06:20.000 No, we should have no immigrants in this country right now. 1.00

00:06:22.000 No immigrants in this country. 1.00

00:06:23.000 We need a total, complete shutdown of immigration in this country until every single Gen Z person can afford a home. 1.00

00:06:29.000 And can get their act together and be able to afford the American dream. 1.00

00:06:32.000 So, what's your path to Gen Z getting homes? 1.00

00:06:34.000 Is it just kicking all brown people out? 1.00

00:06:36.000 Not brown people. 1.00

00:06:37.000 I think we should. 1.00

00:06:37.000 I mean, immigrants, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:06:39.000 Anyone that's here illegally should be deported back to their country of homeland. 1.00

00:06:43.000 By the way, it's a moral position. 1.00

00:06:44.000 H1B visas that generate and stimulate the economy, kick those out. 1.00

00:06:48.000 That's interesting. 1.00

00:06:49.000 Who here is studying computer?

00:06:49.000 H1B.

00:06:50.000 Anything?

00:06:51.000 Computer engineering?

00:06:51.000 Anybody?

00:06:52.000 You guys have to compete against a foreigner for a job. 1.00

00:06:55.000 That's wrong. 1.00

00:06:55.000 Every. 1.00

00:06:56.000 Yeah, American.

00:06:57.000 Well, I actually care about the country more than the free market.

00:06:59.000 So, colleges should better prepare.

00:07:01.000 Students and better utilize government resources.

00:07:04.000 Well, college is a scam, but yes, we did that earlier.

00:07:06.000 For computer science, they shouldn't go to college.

00:07:08.000 Well, actually, you don't need to go to college for computer science.

00:07:11.000 You don't need to go to college for computer science?

00:07:13.000 You could do a coding class in a couple months.

00:07:14.000 You could do a coding class.

00:07:16.000 Alphabet is hiring right now.

00:07:16.000 Yes.

00:07:19.000 You could get a job at Alphabet, Google, taking a C class?

00:07:23.000 Correct.

00:07:23.000 Yes.

00:07:24.000 They're hiring coders after a 60 day coding class. 0.89

00:07:27.000 To answer your question, A country that ceases to secure its own sovereignty and does not think I care more about my own people than the foreigners ceases to be a country. 0.93

00:07:39.000 You're a colony and you're something else. 0.79

00:07:41.000 And we are seeing our generosity be taken advantage of.

00:07:44.000 I am all for American charities going down to Panama and helping out.

00:07:48.000 I'm all for people giving to charity.

00:07:50.000 So we should reallocate U.S. spending towards things that are actually effective for people in and outside of our borders.

00:07:57.000 So then we don't have people coming into our borders and then we can help our people.

00:08:00.000 Well, no, the way, again, if they come to the border and the border is closed and you say, Hasta la vista. 0.87

00:08:05.000 Go back to Nicaragua. 0.89

00:08:07.000 We spend in Central America. 0.92

00:08:08.000 They don't have to come to the U.S., and then we have a better U.S. Same amount of spending.

00:08:11.000 No, no, it's, first of all, to solve the problems of the third world would cost trillions of dollars, and that would all be laundered and not even work. 0.72

00:08:19.000 And again, it's not the position of the American government to go throw money around in the Southern Triangle. 0.76

00:08:24.000 Instead, it's our country's closed.

00:08:26.000 We're not open for looting anymore.

00:08:28.000 Go make Nicaragua great again. 1.00

00:08:29.000 Or go do what El Salvador has done.

00:08:31.000 El Salvador is now a safe and stable country, and they're seeing their GDP go up.

00:08:35.000 And it's not because of us.

00:08:36.000 Yeah, it is.

00:08:36.000 We put $4 billion into South Central America.

00:08:38.000 Hold on. 0.94

00:08:39.000 And, you know, Bukele barely took the money.

00:08:41.000 Bukele has turned El Salvador safe because he locked up all the criminals.

00:08:41.000 You know why it's safe?

00:08:45.000 He locked up 40,000 criminals and put them in prisons. 0.58

00:08:48.000 And El Salvador is now safer than America. 0.68

00:08:50.000 El Salvador was the murder capital of the world.

00:08:53.000 And now El Salvador is much safer than America.

00:08:55.000 I think it's wrong if you guys are afraid to walk the streets of Denver at night.

00:08:58.000 I wouldn't walk the streets of Denver at night.

00:09:00.000 Would you guys?

00:09:00.000 No.

00:09:01.000 That's a breakdown of the fundamental role of government.

00:09:04.000 Would you guys walk the streets of LA at night?

00:09:07.000 No.

00:09:07.000 The streets of San Francisco?

00:09:08.000 No. 1.00

00:09:09.000 We can't walk our own greatest cities at night, and we want to bring in more people from the third world? 1.00

00:09:14.000 In the case of immigration, if you hard restrict it and make it harder to get in, the only people who are going to make the attempts to get in, or generally going to make the attempts to get in, are more likely to commit crimes. 1.00

00:09:14.000 Hell no. 1.00

00:09:25.000 Well, that's just not, there's no data or evidence to suggest that at all.

00:09:30.000 When we've had the strictest immigration policies, crime was at its lowest in this country.

00:09:34.000 Well, that's not a correlation.

00:09:36.000 Well, no, it's actually direct causation.

00:09:39.000 Right now, we have wide open borders.

00:09:41.000 DNA background testing from over 120 different countries.

00:09:41.000 Correct?

00:09:44.000 Sure, but I don't think that has to do with the process of getting into the country.

00:09:49.000 Well, it has to do with the process of getting in the country because if it's extremely difficult to get in through legally, people are going to resort to coming through illegally.

00:09:57.000 Is that not true?

00:09:58.000 But we should just prevent both.

00:10:00.000 That's the point.

00:10:01.000 You should prevent people getting in in any way? 1.00

00:10:03.000 Yeah, well, we should have a total immigration moratorium in this country. 1.00

00:10:06.000 We have the lowest unemployment we've had in a long time. 1.00

00:10:10.000 Wouldn't we want more workers?

00:10:11.000 No, we want wages to go up for American workers.

00:10:14.000 It's the opposite. 0.63

00:10:15.000 So you want to restrict the labor pool so that you guys get the jobs first, not some competitor from Korea or Japan that comes in and steals your tech job? 0.87

00:10:23.000 Shouldn't we invest in American workers first before foreigners? 0.96

00:10:26.000 We should. 0.99

00:10:27.000 Why do you think wages are not keeping up with inflation?

00:10:30.000 Because we're bringing in millions of people into this country every single year that you guys have to compete against, and they don't have student loan debt.

00:10:37.000 So they're able to undercut wages every single year.

00:10:39.000 If we're bringing in so many people, I don't think we would have as low unemployment as we would right now, would we?

00:10:39.000 Yeah, continue.

00:10:45.000 There's two types of unemployment there's structural unemployment, and then there's specialized unemployment.

00:10:50.000 Specialized unemployment is very, very high, which is about 8% to 9%, which is more computer science, data engineering.

00:10:57.000 But we have millions of people that have entered the disabled roles too.

00:11:01.000 But to your point, We do have millions of people coming into the.

00:11:04.000 I mean, it's not even a question.

00:11:06.000 But how many of those people do you think that are coming in or would come in if we made it faster and more easy are going to be taking these high specialized tech jobs?

00:11:14.000 Well, very few.

00:11:15.000 But the point is that then.

00:11:16.000 So then the point about.

00:11:17.000 They undercut the muscular class, which is the very people that pay the biggest burden for all these policies.

00:11:23.000 You said that the high unemployment is in specialized, not in general unemployment.

00:11:26.000 So if general unemployment is so low, then why does it.

00:11:26.000 Correct.

00:11:30.000 Like, why are we worried about people coming in taking the jobs of like the big tech jobs?

00:11:33.000 Well, that's not the only reason why we're worried.

00:11:35.000 We're worried because many of them are. 0.68

00:11:36.000 Coming in illegally, and they're criminals, every single one of them.

00:11:39.000 So they break our laws.

00:11:41.000 I think you're proving my point here, though.

00:11:42.000 But no, you're just making one sliver of economics, though.

00:11:45.000 Numbers aside, how many of you guys have seen things get so expensive in the last year and a half?

00:11:48.000 Okay, so that's just.

00:11:49.000 I agree, but I think we have different reasons because I see that major companies.

00:11:53.000 Why are prices going up?

00:11:55.000 I see major companies are owning different things like cereal brands.

00:11:58.000 There's like two companies that own all cereal brands.

00:12:00.000 And when they can increase the prices continually and say, hey, look, guys, it's inflation, when they're making record profits that they've never made.

00:12:08.000 Yeah, if that's the case, then why are small businesses raising their prices?

00:12:11.000 Small businesses are raising their prices because the products that they're getting in from these major two, three companies are.

00:12:16.000 Okay, so how does inflation work?

00:12:18.000 Inflation works by having more money in the system, and generally, because of that, your dollar is worth less, and then your wages don't really increase.

00:12:29.000 And because your wages don't increase, everything's costing more to you.

00:12:31.000 So, true or false, we have injected around $10 trillion of new money in the last three years.

00:12:36.000 Okay, so yeah, that is the number one reason why we're seeing prices increase.

00:12:36.000 Absolutely.

00:12:40.000 Absolutely.

00:12:40.000 But I think it's slowed, the inflation itself.

00:12:42.000 Has slowed down a lot and the prices themselves.

00:12:45.000 It depends on what good or service you're talking about.

00:12:47.000 And I think the reason it's what good or service is because the goods or services that are in control of borderline monopolies are able to raise their prices more and more.

00:12:47.000 I agree.

00:12:56.000 That's why when you go to the grocery store, the big issue is a bunch of things are going up that are controlled by major companies that are supplying all these grocery stores, right?

00:13:04.000 Yeah, but a lot of them have competitors.

00:13:06.000 And so, I mean, I can list five or six examples where there's robust competition and prices are still going up.

00:13:11.000 But we have too many dollars chasing too many, too few goods and services.

00:13:16.000 That's the big problem.

00:13:17.000 Our worker base isn't really churning as it should because we have such low unemployment, which is why I'm saying immigration should be easier to come in.

00:13:23.000 Because when your workers aren't moving through positions and stuff, wages aren't going to increase that often because you're more likely to get a wage increase by switching to another job that pays you more.

00:13:33.000 Yeah, so wouldn't it make, if you want to get wages up, shouldn't you want to?

00:13:37.000 Restrict the amount of workers in the workforce?

00:13:40.000 I mean, it's pretty.

00:13:41.000 So, if you have 200 people you could hire to fix a window or 30 people to hire to fix a window, which pool is going to have the higher average wage?

00:13:52.000 I think the smaller pool would.

00:13:54.000 Okay, we agree.

00:13:55.000 The issue is a lot of people right now aren't wanting to go switch to other jobs all the time.

00:14:00.000 And when you get more people and more jobs, you're likely to have more churn through there.

00:14:04.000 Okay, yeah, I don't think we disagree on that.

00:14:06.000 Okay, cool.

00:14:06.000 So, that's why I'm saying that.

00:14:08.000 Yeah, but you don't have me convinced on the immigration issue, though.

00:14:11.000 Because if you restrict immigration across the board, then you have a prioritization and a lesser pool of competition for foreign born American labor.

00:14:21.000 Sure, but I think, am I wrong in saying your issue is that you have issues with specialized labor coming in and taking the positions of higher paying, more specialized?

00:14:31.000 Yeah, I mean, to be fair, it's specialized muscular class labor, which is conflated.

00:14:37.000 So there's advanced manufacturing too, which does not require a college degree.

00:14:41.000 But can take six to nine months of apprenticeship.

00:14:44.000 Or, for example, being an auto mechanic.

00:14:46.000 That's not exactly being a coder, but that's tough work, right?

00:14:50.000 Or, you know, even more simply.

00:14:52.000 I just don't think that that's the majority of labor that is going to come in if we allow more people through.

00:14:57.000 And it's not like a blanket, oh, we're letting everybody through.

00:15:00.000 But right now I see my biggest issue with the right is that, like, why are we restricting more immigration other than, like, illegal immigration?

00:15:07.000 But why are we not proposing ways to loosen immigration to fix the jobs that aren't like that?

00:15:12.000 Because there's.

00:15:13.000 Like most jobs aren't generally in those classes.

00:15:16.000 You're coming after this in good faith.

00:15:17.000 My response would be we need a national training program to get Americans properly trained before we try to import foreign labor to fill those positions.

00:15:26.000 And that goes back to my college is a scam type postulization.

00:15:30.000 So we have oversupplied the credentialing, which is for your college degree, and we've undersupplied the six to nine month specialization vector.

00:15:39.000 And because that, we have massive job openings.

00:15:41.000 I want to get to the next question.

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00:17:11.000 So, I just had a question because you talk a lot about protecting and securing our southern borders.

00:17:16.000 But as the granddaughter of immigrants, I think that we get into a lot of complicated disputes with the idea that immigrants are criminals, are drug dealers, and things like that.

00:17:28.000 So, I just want to hear what your opinion is on those expectations or those stereotypes that are put on Hispanic communities, Latino communities, and how they change the way people perceive immigration.

00:17:42.000 Sure.

00:17:44.000 Thank you for the question.

00:17:45.000 So, you said you're the first generation student or first generation American?

00:17:48.000 I'm a first generation student.

00:17:50.000 Cool, great.

00:17:50.000 Second generation American?

00:17:51.000 Did I hear that right?

00:17:52.000 Third generation American on my mom's side. 0.94

00:17:55.000 Great. 0.79

00:17:55.000 Second on my dad's. 0.79

00:17:56.000 When your grandparents, then, is that right, came to this country, did they do so through the legal process that was involved?

00:18:03.000 So, my father got married to my mother.

00:18:06.000 So, he's a legal resident of the United States.

00:18:08.000 She's been here her entire life.

00:18:09.000 But did she enter legal? 0.96

00:18:11.000 My great.

00:18:13.000 She did.

00:18:14.000 She's born here, yeah.

00:18:15.000 Got it.

00:18:16.000 My grandpa on my dad's side entered in illegally.

00:18:20.000 Okay.

00:18:20.000 So I'm not here to like insult your grandpa, right?

00:18:24.000 Yeah.

00:18:25.000 Yeah, but we must be very clear that the type of immigration that we support is when you follow our rules and you come on our terms. 0.81

00:18:33.000 And that you do not break into a country uninvited and you try to cut and cut.

00:18:38.000 Can I add something to that?

00:18:39.000 The reason why he left, and a lot of people in Mexico do, is because of the political state, especially in the 70s and 80s.

00:18:46.000 When they decided to move, they have a government that isn't supportive of their constituents.

00:18:51.000 And because of drug problems, their only choice was to move.

00:18:57.000 Yeah, I totally sympathize.

00:18:58.000 That's not true.

00:18:59.000 It's never the only choice to commit a crime.

00:19:02.000 And we should not put up with it. 1.00

00:19:03.000 And so it is an insult to other immigrants from Vietnam and Laos and Pakistan that have to wait decades in line to morally equivalent people that come in and just break in. 1.00

00:19:16.000 Oh, I have an unstable country. 0.87

00:19:18.000 Like half of the world's countries are unstable.

00:19:19.000 So we just have to be very clear with this is that if you come into the country uninvited, you have committed a crime and you are a criminal.

00:19:27.000 And we could decide that we're not going to enforce our laws, or we can say that when you are a criminal, you should then be punished for that crime, aka sent back to your country of origin, because you were not invited. 0.55

00:19:38.000 And it is an insult, again, to the Poles and to the Czechoslovakians and from the Senegalese and people all across the world that don't have the proximity or the luxury just to waltz into America.

00:19:48.000 You call it a luxury to leave a country that has political tyranny and come into a country with opportunity?

00:19:54.000 Yes, to live in Mexico, to be able to go 100 miles north and break into America.

00:19:59.000 Do you know how many people in Pakistan would kill to be on that border? 1.00

00:20:02.000 That's why we bring them in. 1.00

00:20:03.000 Well, we shouldn't, right?

00:20:05.000 That's the point.

00:20:06.000 And secondly, do you think that you have a right to immigrate to America?

00:20:13.000 I think that I didn't have a choice.

00:20:15.000 My grandparents made that decision for me. 0.67

00:20:17.000 And I'm not trying to attack your grandparents, but no one has a right to go to anybody else's country.

00:20:22.000 You are invited.

00:20:23.000 It is a privilege, not a right, to come into America.

00:20:25.000 So it's a privilege to live a life that requires you to have clean water, clean food, clean air.

00:20:31.000 Yes, of course it is.

00:20:32.000 And you have to fight for that?

00:20:33.000 Yes, it is not.

00:20:34.000 But we didn't?

00:20:35.000 Hold on a sec.

00:20:36.000 Born here, we didn't fight for that?

00:20:38.000 Well, my ancestors did fight for that, actually.

00:20:40.000 And I'm a very thankful recipient of many generations of Americans that fought for the greatest nation ever to exist.

00:20:47.000 Coming here?

00:20:48.000 Illegally?

00:20:49.000 Wait, what did my ancestors do? 1.00

00:20:52.000 They came here illegally.

00:20:53.000 They came over here in 1620. 0.86

00:20:55.000 Fought in the Revolutionary War, fought in the Civil War, fought in World War II.

00:20:57.000 So, because my grandpa didn't come here in 1620, it gives him no right to have a gun.

00:21:01.000 No, he can fill out paperwork and wait in line like the rest of the world.

00:21:05.000 And then we can see whether or not it's in our best interest to allow him to come in.

00:21:09.000 And so we have to weigh costs and benefits. 0.99

00:21:11.000 Do you think that the American government should first have an obligation to citizens before foreigners? 0.97

00:21:20.000 Okay, I think we have an obligation. 0.99

00:21:22.000 Here's the thing.

00:21:23.000 Yeah, we're obligated because we're citizens.

00:21:26.000 To have the rights that we have, but that doesn't mean we can't open up our borders and have the process to do so.

00:21:30.000 You, being a younger American and everyone in the audience, is the first generation in American history to have it be worse off than your parents.

00:21:38.000 So the social, and you agree with that, social contract, poor, more expensive.

00:21:42.000 So wouldn't it be rational for the American government to say we're going to prioritize younger generation Americans that are American passport holders and citizens before those in another nation?

00:21:53.000 I don't think, I don't want to say anything that offends people.

00:21:57.000 But no, go ahead.

00:21:59.000 I've already said it, right?

00:22:00.000 I've already said it.

00:22:01.000 Whatever.

00:22:01.000 I think that the way we're going about it is wrong.

00:22:05.000 And that if we don't have a clear path to citizenship, we won't open up those opportunities for people to come and seek a good life.

00:22:11.000 But I also think that, yeah, we are required to have those rights ourselves.

00:22:14.000 Seeking a good life is fine, it's a nice added benefit. 1.00

00:22:17.000 Our government does not exist to improve the life of foreign citizens. 0.99

00:22:22.000 A government should be open to the idea of accepting it. 0.99

00:22:24.000 Of course, we are, if we have our own house in order.

00:22:26.000 We are in chaos right now.

00:22:28.000 We have the most depressed, suicidal, anxious generation in history.

00:22:31.000 Our birth rate is collapsing.

00:22:32.000 Kids can't afford homes.

00:22:34.000 You guys are drowning in debt. 1.00

00:22:37.000 You have to compete for jobs against foreigners. 1.00

00:22:39.000 Our country is a mess right now. 1.00

00:22:41.000 And so, when your country is a mess and your home is in disarray and bedlam, your own government should say, Time out.

00:22:47.000 I have a heart for the people of Haiti.

00:22:49.000 I have a heart for the people of every country.

00:22:50.000 But you're not coming here until this generation at least has it as good as their parents.

00:22:56.000 And that is a very simple moral statement. 0.71

00:22:59.000 If when you bring people in, They make the life worse for the people that were already here.

00:23:03.000 Should we stop letting those people in?

00:23:06.000 Do they, though?

00:23:08.000 Yes, they do. 1.00

00:23:09.000 Illegals every day are doing DUIs and kids are dying across the country. 0.98

00:23:12.000 But if Americans are doing this, it's fine? 0.98

00:23:13.000 Well, it's not fine. 0.54

00:23:14.000 They should go to jail. 0.89

00:23:15.000 But this is the red herring Americans are invited guests, foreigners are people that broke into the country that shouldn't be here, and none of those crimes should be happening at all. 0.99

00:23:26.000 One of them is a crime of choice, the other is just a crime because that's part of what happens when you have a society. 0.91

00:23:31.000 So, when you have Americans that are murdered by illegals, that is because we have decided and chosen we're okay with them being here, and if they kill our people, no big deal. 0.91

00:23:43.000 I know we're not going to agree on this. 0.99

00:23:44.000 That's why I came up here and got this place.

00:23:46.000 Are you okay with deporting every illegal person that's here?

00:23:50.000 No.

00:23:50.000 Why?

00:23:51.000 Because there are some people here that are not represented well by the media. 1.00

00:23:55.000 There are a lot of illegal immigrants here that are working their butts off for the life of the people. 1.00

00:23:58.000 I don't care if they're working hard. 1.00

00:24:00.000 But the point is, what should the punishment be for breaking into a country?

00:24:04.000 Depends on the crime you commit after you break into it.

00:24:07.000 Okay.

00:24:08.000 That's it.

00:24:09.000 I'm talking about just the crime is breaking in.

00:24:11.000 What should the punishment be?

00:24:13.000 I break into somebody's home.

00:24:15.000 What should their punishment be?

00:24:18.000 Can you repeat that?

00:24:18.000 Oh, so if you behave after you get here, that's fine.

00:24:21.000 So to play that out, if someone comes into your dorm room uninvited and they do the dishes and laundry, they can stay?

00:24:28.000 If I'm not going to do my own dishes, heck yeah.

00:24:31.000 They're doing my dishes for me?

00:24:33.000 Cool.

00:24:33.000 If they don't kill me, I'm not dead.

00:24:34.000 It is what it is, man. 0.98

00:24:36.000 Well, they are killing a lot of Americans, but. 0.53

00:24:39.000 You say they. 0.96

00:24:40.000 Like they are.

00:24:41.000 Yes, they. 1.00

00:24:42.000 All illegal immigrants kill people. 1.00

00:24:44.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:24:45.000 Many illegals do, actually.

00:24:46.000 No, but it's just interesting. 0.88

00:24:47.000 The punishment for the crime of breaking into a nation should be what it is in Switzerland and Israel and Hungary.

00:24:54.000 Every person who breaks into a nation uninvited goes back to their country of origin, period. 0.70

00:24:59.000 So, why is there an emphasis on the southern border?

00:25:02.000 Because most people come illegally through the southern border?

00:25:05.000 The point I'm trying to make is that we categorize all illegal immigrants under the same thing sex traffickers, drug dealers.

00:25:13.000 By you saying all illegal immigrants have to be deported, you're implying that all of them are doing these terrible things, and not a small percentage of them. 0.51

00:25:21.000 If you come into a Country uninvited, definitionally, you are a criminal. 0.50

00:25:27.000 We're just not going to agree.

00:25:28.000 It's fine.

00:25:29.000 Then, final question What is a criminal?

00:25:33.000 What is a criminal?

00:25:36.000 No, no.

00:25:36.000 What is it?

00:25:37.000 Would you agree with the definition that a criminal is someone who breaks the law?

00:25:44.000 Here's where I'm thinking.

00:25:48.000 Here's the thing I don't know how he's going to turn it.

00:25:53.000 And I don't believe it.

00:25:54.000 It's not a matter of turning it.

00:25:56.000 It's a very ABC sequence.

00:25:58.000 If they're not criminals, then tell me what a criminal is.

00:26:00.000 And a criminal is obviously someone who breaks the law.

00:26:02.000 Someone who comes across the southern border broke federal law, therefore, they are a criminal.

00:26:07.000 Okay, then we can just disagree.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 18, 2026

Charlie vs. The Students on Immigration

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