The Charlie Kirk Show - November 20, 2025


Charlie Was Right Again


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Trump and Musk reunite at the White House. Will it be the start of a Trump/Musk reunion? And what is the connection between the two of them? And why is it so important that they reunite after so long?

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00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.
00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.
00:00:11.000 My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.
00:00:14.000 If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable.
00:00:19.000 But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful.
00:00:24.000 College is a scam, everybody.
00:00:26.000 You got to stop sending your kids to college.
00:00:27.000 You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible.
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00:00:39.000 I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.
00:00:41.000 Most important decision I ever made in my life.
00:00:43.000 And I encourage you to do the same.
00:00:45.000 Here I am.
00:00:46.000 Lord Musemy.
00:00:48.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:49.000 Here we go.
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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:11.000 I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show, joined by Blake Neff, another one of the producers around here.
00:01:18.000 Blake, good morning to you.
00:01:19.000 Morning.
00:01:20.000 We're going to start today's show with a Charlie Kirk prediction that has come to pass, it seems.
00:01:28.000 Yeah, we saw this, and we know there's a lot going on, but we really wanted to flag this.
00:01:32.000 I think people would like it.
00:01:34.000 Yes.
00:01:35.000 It gets at a lot of what made people love Charlie so much, which was he was always focused on the future, on building the coalition, on finding the common ground, on beating the real bad guys, which is the insane communist anti-civilization left that wants to destroy us all. 0.80
00:01:52.000 The Red-Green Alliance, which is what he was focused on at the end of his life, and we will remain focused on because it remains the key threat, I believe, to the future of our civilization. 0.81
00:02:02.000 There's many threats, but that is the key one. 0.98
00:02:04.000 And of course, the prediction that we are referring to is the reunion, the reuniting of Elon Musk and President Donald Trump, which took place last night officially at a black tight dinner at the White House that was honoring Muhammad bin Salman. 0.89
00:02:21.000 I guess Red-Green.
00:02:22.000 Crown Prince.
00:02:23.000 Yeah, so we are...
00:02:23.000 We had a statement.
00:02:24.000 It was an investment.
00:02:25.000 Yeah, we had a state visit of the Saudi Crown Prince to their first state visit in, I think, seven years, announcing more investments of Saudi oil money into the United States, some strategic partnerships there.
00:02:38.000 This is, of course, part of his broader push to also bring peace to the Middle East.
00:02:42.000 But Elon Musk was there because Elon Musk is apparently going to be investing his own AI initiatives in data centers in Saudi Arabia.
00:02:50.000 Don't need to get into all of that.
00:02:51.000 The point is, it was the first time Musk was at the White House since he left back in May.
00:02:56.000 So, well, in June 2025, is where the feud really took off.
00:03:01.000 And, of course, Elon invested about $300 million into the election of President Trump in 2024.
00:03:07.000 He headed up the Doge Office of Government Efficiency in the White House.
00:03:12.000 Then they had this bitter public feud in a beautiful bill.
00:03:15.000 He said it was too much spending. 0.90
00:03:17.000 He said it was, he basically said it was a dastard.
00:03:20.000 He said Trump would be in the Epstein files.
00:03:22.000 He was saying lots of pretty low-blow stuff.
00:03:25.000 He ended up deleting that one.
00:03:26.000 Yes.
00:03:26.000 And he admitted it was probably a bit too far.
00:03:28.000 And so that was all blowing up.
00:03:30.000 I remember the day it happened, we went live on Thought Crime.
00:03:34.000 I think it was the normal night for it.
00:03:36.000 But if it wasn't, we may have gone live just because it was so dramatic.
00:03:39.000 And that was June 5th.
00:03:41.000 And during that show, Charlie made this prediction.
00:03:44.000 Let's play Clip 241.
00:03:46.000 Donald Trump's in a feud.
00:03:48.000 Men fight.
00:03:49.000 Big news, big deal.
00:03:50.000 Get over it.
00:03:51.000 Focus on the policies.
00:03:52.000 Focus on the victories.
00:03:54.000 And they will continue.
00:03:56.000 It's all going to be okay.
00:03:57.000 Again, I will stay right here.
00:03:58.000 You can mark it down.
00:04:00.000 By Christmas, maybe before that, there will be like a surprise.
00:04:03.000 Elon Musk comes for dinner, comes for dessert at Mar-a-Lago.
00:04:08.000 You know, leaked New York Times, Elon Musk spotted at Mar-a-Lago.
00:04:12.000 I'm just saying.
00:04:13.000 If you nail that one, I guess I'll just be really impressed.
00:04:19.000 I could be wrong.
00:04:20.000 I'm just saying, by Christmas.
00:04:22.000 Don't be shocked.
00:04:24.000 Well, here we are.
00:04:25.000 It's not even Thanksgiving yet.
00:04:27.000 My favorite part of that is you chiming in.
00:04:29.000 And by the way, I barely recognized you because you got a pretty clean, clean shaven at the time.
00:04:35.000 But I love that you have to chime and be like, if you nail that one, I'll be really impressed.
00:04:40.000 And I'm really impressed.
00:04:41.000 I am really impressed.
00:04:42.000 And another part of it that I think a lot of people have already realized, and you mentioned leaked New York Times.
00:04:48.000 So this is the article, The New York Times, two days ago.
00:04:51.000 And they say, quote, September appeared to be a turning point in Mr. Musk's relationship with Mr. Trump.
00:04:58.000 Musk said that he had been invited to a high-profile dinner with tech executives hosted by Trump.
00:05:02.000 He sent one of his aides in his place.
00:05:05.000 But then Mr. Musk approached Mr. Trump at the memorial service for Charlie Kirk.
00:05:11.000 They had an animated conversation for several minutes.
00:05:14.000 Yeah, we're seeing it there, that conversation they had, that was captured on television.
00:05:19.000 Mr. Musk, who friends say was very emotionally affected by Mr. Kirk's death, posted a picture online of the exchange.
00:05:27.000 That image of that exchange, I believe it got, I think he said for Charlie, and I think it got 76 million views.
00:05:34.000 283.
00:05:35.000 There it is right there.
00:05:36.000 For Charlie.
00:05:37.000 Yep, 76 million.
00:05:39.000 So I just want, like, that picture, I remember I was backstage at the memorial, and somebody showed me a picture of them, and I posted it, and I said, I hope that they're looking at each other saying, for Charlie.
00:05:55.000 And about an hour later, Musk tweeted that for Charlie.
00:05:58.000 And I can't prove it, but I like to think that Elon saw that tweet and thought, you know what?
00:06:05.000 Let's do it.
00:06:06.000 And it makes my heart happy because I knew, I know, and you know how much this meant to Charlie.
00:06:12.000 And it's not that they're aligned on everything.
00:06:12.000 Yes.
00:06:14.000 It's that it's what Charlie would care about.
00:06:16.000 It's being aligned on the core things.
00:06:18.000 He said there was another bid he did in July when they were still fighting.
00:06:20.000 And he said, I think they're going to realize that they maybe disagree on spending.
00:06:24.000 They may disagree on particulars of immigration policy.
00:06:28.000 And this was, you know, Musk was talking about starting his own party, running third party.
00:06:32.000 And he said, I think Musk will realize that if I just allow Zorhan Mamdani or these other radical left-wing lunatics to come back into power, I'm going to not get any of the changes I want on spending.
00:06:44.000 And I'm still going to get all of their, you know, radically anti-industry, anti-free market, anti-American, anti-white people values. 0.87
00:06:54.000 They're all going to come flooding back and will destroy this country because of some personal beef that we have. 0.66
00:07:01.000 And he really he nailed that one, that we have to move on from those things.
00:07:06.000 We have to be able to build our alliances, maintain those alliances, even when it's difficult.
00:07:11.000 I want to play another Charlie clip here.
00:07:12.000 Let's do, I think we have, let's do clip 254.
00:07:16.000 Now, it might seem as if this is irreconcilable between President Trump and Elon Musk.
00:07:23.000 How could they ever come back together after all this back and forth?
00:07:28.000 It's just as nasty as you could imagine.
00:07:30.000 And it seems as if that it's only going to increase.
00:07:33.000 But President Trump has in front of us a rather dramatic and telling track record of being able to reconcile and work with people that were otherwise considered to be sworn enemies of MAGA.
00:07:51.000 He nailed it.
00:07:52.000 We got a great email here from Kevin.
00:07:52.000 He nailed it.
00:07:55.000 He says, This fulfilled prediction by Charlie is precisely the reason I said for years that Charlie was the true heir to the wisdom of Rush Limbaugh, his favorite radio host.
00:08:06.000 Yes, he was.
00:08:06.000 And prayers as you continue to fight for what Charlie was fighting for.
00:08:10.000 Thank you.
00:08:10.000 Thank you, Kevin.
00:08:11.000 And anyone else who has thoughts, please email us.
00:08:13.000 Freedom at Charlie.
00:08:14.000 We're going to try and get our email reading game back on track.
00:08:17.000 Yesterday, we didn't get to as many as we wanted to.
00:08:19.000 So today, please send emails, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:08:22.000 You know, this all reminds me, by the way, I have not stopped thinking about Helen Andrews, our interview.
00:08:27.000 If you haven't seen it, please check it out on the podcast, wherever you get your podcast, Apple, Spotify, wherever.
00:08:33.000 It was a really important conversation.
00:08:35.000 I love that it was coming from a woman because one of the things she taught. 0.95
00:08:38.000 It needed to come from a woman. 1.00
00:08:40.000 We'd have been in trouble. 0.75
00:08:41.000 But so she writes in this article, it was the great feminization.
00:08:44.000 And this is a particular skill set of men.
00:08:47.000 Now, we love you, women.
00:08:48.000 You guys are truly important.
00:08:49.000 We have a bunch of ladies that work on this team, and they are amazing. 1.00
00:08:53.000 But this is one of the pieces she wrote in this.
00:08:56.000 And she talked about how men over time have developed customs and approaches to war.
00:09:02.000 And this reminds me of Elon and Trump.
00:09:04.000 And Charlie understood this.
00:09:06.000 She says, the point of war is to settle disputes between two tribes, but it only works if peace is restored after the dispute is settled.
00:09:12.000 Men, therefore, develop methods for reconciling with opponents and learning to live in peace with people they were fighting yesterday.
00:09:19.000 Females, even in primate species, are slower to reconcile than males.
00:09:23.000 This is a guy thing.
00:09:25.000 And Charlie, he genuinely understood.
00:09:28.000 I think it's because he went through so many of these.
00:09:30.000 So many, we'd see some of those that were behind the scenes.
00:09:33.000 Just you'd have the grind, the fighting, you'd have these attacks, and it'd be a fake out.
00:09:38.000 Oh, no, actually, we don't want this fight.
00:09:41.000 And he saw that, and he was, you know, he told the audience about it.
00:09:44.000 Yeah, and you could tell it was two alphas like, you know, raging against one another.
00:09:49.000 You know, Trump's threatening to hold down.
00:09:50.000 They might rage against each other again.
00:09:52.000 They might fight again.
00:09:53.000 They might.
00:09:54.000 This doesn't have to be forever.
00:09:56.000 But here's the thing: what did Elon said?
00:09:59.000 We must hang together because if not, we will surely hang together.
00:10:01.000 We'll hang separately.
00:10:03.000 And that is absolutely true.
00:10:05.000 The movement needs each other.
00:10:05.000 We need each other.
00:10:07.000 I think there's a purging.
00:10:08.000 I'm going to make my own prediction here.
00:10:10.000 There's a lot of talking about the infighting on the right, especially in the wake of Charlie's death.
00:10:15.000 We will come back together.
00:10:17.000 There is a purging.
00:10:18.000 There is a flexing.
00:10:19.000 There is a consternation happening.
00:10:21.000 And that is sometimes really healthy.
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00:11:29.000 So, Elon Musk and President Donald Trump are reunited.
00:11:32.000 I think this is a very good sign.
00:11:34.000 So, as we're talking about all of this, you know, I would say distractions when we're talking about the things that are separating us or dividing the coalition on the right.
00:11:43.000 You know, I hear this all the time, time, Blake.
00:11:46.000 I'm sure that you do as well, that we are sort of a mess in the wake of Charlie's assassination, that there is, we're lacking that leading voice, that guiding light.
00:11:56.000 A lot of people think JD Vance could be that.
00:11:58.000 And he's actually at an event this morning with Breitbart that they're doing in D.C.
00:12:05.000 And he's talking about a lot of these things.
00:12:07.000 He's saying, hey, don't let this distraction get us in the way of understanding who the real enemy is, right?
00:12:14.000 Because if the Democrats get power again, which right now we are on track for that to happen, I want everybody to be very clear that we are, if you look at all the polling, all of this, Trump's not doing as bad as Obama was in his second term.
00:12:26.000 That's true, or even George W. Bush, but we are, we're at a nader.
00:12:32.000 There's a lot of bad vibes out there.
00:12:33.000 Would you agree, Blake?
00:12:34.000 Yeah, it's just that people are, certainly within our own coalition, people are frustrated with the election results we just had.
00:12:41.000 People are worried about the economy.
00:12:44.000 I think some of this is just stuff that's been continuing for several years, and it's not going to be fixed overnight.
00:12:51.000 And there are people frustrated with the courts have blocked a lot of the most ambitious things Trump wants to do.
00:12:57.000 People, a lot of people want there to be more deportations.
00:13:01.000 There's a lot of, and people can pick things to be aggrieved about.
00:13:04.000 And one thing that happens when there's a bad vibe, as you say, is people decide to fixate on whatever they want to be aggrieved about rather than positives.
00:13:13.000 And there are positives.
00:13:14.000 I think it's always worth re-emphasizing to people: this is all happening in an environment where we have shut down people crossing the U.S.-Mexico border.
00:13:24.000 We had this open wound that a million plus people were pouring over, 2 million, maybe, pouring over every single year, no limit, no intention to ever stop it.
00:13:35.000 And we stopped it cold practically overnight.
00:13:37.000 There used to be that Darien Gap.
00:13:39.000 We'd have people go there and do documentary episodes of the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people pouring over into Panama from China, Africa, Southeast Asia, like all these places.
00:13:50.000 And it's just gone.
00:13:51.000 No one's doing it anymore.
00:13:53.000 Yeah, no, and this is, I totally agree.
00:13:56.000 And we're also rooting out a lot of the visa issues.
00:13:58.000 We put a $100,000 basically fee on H-1Bs.
00:14:02.000 So we are making progress. 1.00
00:14:04.000 Everybody needs to just remember that.
00:14:05.000 But here's the reason why we wanted to talk about Elon Musk: because sometimes there's these critical initiating events that happen.
00:14:13.000 And you can look back on them later and you can say that was the moment that we started turning the corner and getting back on track.
00:14:18.000 And I don't think it's a coincidence that this morning JD Vance is also talking about some of the same things.
00:14:24.000 Keeping the main thing, the main thing, and bringing it back to what happened to Charlie is a really important clip.
00:14:29.000 287.
00:14:30.000 So I think my attitude is: let these debates play out, but don't let the debates that we're having internally blind us to the fact that we're up against a radical leftist movement that murdered my friend a couple of months ago and that would throw many people in the Trump administration in prison, not for doing anything illegal, but for not following the far left's agenda.
00:14:52.000 And then, as if we were already not spoiled for good news, I just took this as a personal sign, Blake, because sometimes I call you contrarian Blake.
00:15:02.000 It's true.
00:15:03.000 It's why we love you.
00:15:05.000 But then you just depends on the day.
00:15:09.000 There's always love.
00:15:10.000 There's always love.
00:15:10.000 But sometimes it's like, oh, come on, Blake.
00:15:14.000 Throw up image 285.
00:15:16.000 So Blake goes, Hey, did you see that Homeland Security?
00:15:20.000 That's a really good one.
00:15:21.000 It's really good one.
00:15:22.000 And I was like, wait, so it's not cringe, Blake?
00:15:24.000 He's like, yeah, well, it's a cringe.
00:15:25.000 Sometimes they go a little too far.
00:15:27.000 But this is a perfect one.
00:15:28.000 This is perfect.
00:15:29.000 So this is a tweet that went out from Homeland Security.
00:15:32.000 I happen to like their Twitter feed, but they say rent is too high.
00:15:35.000 There are tens of millions of criminal illegals in our country. 0.52
00:15:37.000 Groceries cost too much. 0.96
00:15:38.000 There are tens of millions of criminal illegals in our country. 0.99
00:15:41.000 There aren't enough jobs. 0.75
00:15:42.000 There are tens of millions of criminal illegals in our country. 0.73
00:15:45.000 And on and on, it goes.
00:15:46.000 Women don't feel safe. 1.00
00:15:47.000 Traffic is terrible. 1.00
00:15:48.000 Healthcare is too expensive.
00:15:49.000 That's a big one, a very big one.
00:15:51.000 Welfare spending is through the roof.
00:15:53.000 I can't afford a car.
00:15:54.000 I can't afford a house.
00:15:55.000 And it ends with: there are tens of millions of criminal illegals in our country, many problems.
00:16:00.000 A simple answer.
00:16:02.000 And it really is for so many of them.
00:16:03.000 Healthcare expensive.
00:16:05.000 There's this entire shadow world of millions of people where they get free single-payer health care through the system of show up at an emergency room, get treated, blow off any payment attempts, often never give your name.
00:16:20.000 And oh, it's just paid for by taxpayers.
00:16:22.000 And they get, obviously, they bloated up the housing market.
00:16:25.000 They do so many things.
00:16:27.000 And yeah, there's a simple switch. 0.99
00:16:29.000 Have the criminal illegals who have come into your country go home. 0.88
00:16:34.000 Yep.
00:16:34.000 And by the way, there's another piece to this where they get all mad at the criminal raids or these illegal aliens, the raids that are going on in LA, Memphis, now Charlotte, North Carolina, Chicago.
00:16:46.000 And there's a very simple solution to this, Democrats.
00:16:49.000 If you don't like the raids on the streets, cooperate with ICE when you pull these people over and you've got them in custody already, hand them over when there's a detainer.
00:16:58.000 It's as simple as that.
00:16:59.000 If you don't want ICE raiding your streets, cooperate with them in the safety of your own confines, custody.
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00:18:20.000 Tyler, we're talking about redistricting.
00:18:21.000 This is a fight that's going on in the country right now, and a lot of people are unaware of it.
00:18:25.000 I mean, we hear about Prop 50 in California and the Texas redistricting fight made a lot of news, but there are other states that are really important.
00:18:34.000 Give us the update.
00:18:35.000 Where do we stand right now?
00:18:36.000 Yeah, Andrew, it's been actually crazy in the background right now because there's a lot of states that are wholly Republican dominant that are not being helpful whatsoever in the fight against Gavin Newsom and what they've done in California.
00:18:50.000 So as a recap for everyone, Gavin Newsom, we know they just passed the prop for redistricting.
00:18:57.000 They're going to take away essentially five plus Republican seats off the table pretty clearly.
00:19:04.000 And the only way that you can combat that is with our big Republican states and then a bunch of these other smaller Republican states that can kind of cobble together to help offset this really manipulative hijacking of the electoral system that Gavin Newsom has entered into.
00:19:19.000 And this is all important because remember, Gavin is doing this in part because this is helpful to him in looking like the savior for the Democrat Party as he tries to run for president in 2028.
00:19:32.000 So everything's interconnected.
00:19:35.000 It's all possible.
00:19:36.000 Right now, Indiana, who has Republican state senators in districts that Trump won by 20 to 30 points, that are pushing back on redistricting to get net two seats.
00:19:49.000 So Indiana, you know, one of the historically most Republican states in the country outside of the sad Obama blip that happened in 2008.
00:19:59.000 But that was a, that was a, they swear that was not normal.
00:19:59.000 Yeah.
00:20:03.000 Yeah.
00:20:04.000 It really has been one of the most Republican states that we have in the nation.
00:20:08.000 Really has also very Republican metropolitan areas.
00:20:12.000 And there is real justification for a solid through and through red state plan map, if you map it out very fairly, very squarely for that.
00:20:26.000 But because of the way the process that redistricting works on, and everybody that's a listener needs to become very familiar with this terminology, majority minority districts.
00:20:36.000 So what the Democrats have been doing now for many decades is they've been pushing this concept through lawfare of remapping every state around majority minority districts, meaning that they have to consequentially gerrymander districts to include populations that have their large populations in your state of minority communities.
00:21:00.000 This would be Hispanic. 0.70
00:21:01.000 This is the classic Voting Rights Act thing. 0.79
00:21:02.000 This is the Voting Rights Act argument that's being discussed.
00:21:05.000 We won't probably get into the details of it now, but we will probably start to tear this apart over the next year.
00:21:11.000 But essentially, the big ones in America, obviously, are the Hispanic communities, black communities, and Native American communities in certain areas. 0.79
00:21:19.000 Now, Native Americans haven't made up too many, so you haven't seen too many of that. 0.94
00:21:22.000 But here in Arizona, you have an argument for one. 0.95
00:21:25.000 Oklahoma.
00:21:25.000 You have state level a lot.
00:21:26.000 You see the state level.
00:21:27.000 That's right.
00:21:28.000 That's right.
00:21:28.000 State level, it happens a lot more frequently.
00:21:30.000 But the black community argument, Hispanic community.
00:21:33.000 Now, as Democrats are starting to lose Hispanics, they become much less interested in Hispanic communities.
00:21:39.000 And this is where it's becoming, well, a lot of Hispanics are actually saying, like, yeah, we don't need to do this.
00:21:44.000 We don't need to just incumben. 0.96
00:21:46.000 They use this to cheat to essentially just gerrymander more Democrat voters that just happen to be from those minority communities. 0.82
00:21:55.000 So where is that process at now? 0.51
00:21:57.000 Because Texas enacts a new map that was basically going to wipe out all the gains they're going to get in California.
00:22:05.000 But then a judge blocks them.
00:22:08.000 Right.
00:22:08.000 And so that is now, maybe Blake, I don't know either one of you can answer this.
00:22:12.000 What is the next step in that process?
00:22:14.000 Because this just broke this week, that a federal government.
00:22:17.000 So can we throw in the Florida piece real quick?
00:22:20.000 So while this is all going on, Florida stepped in and are like, no worries, guys.
00:22:24.000 We're going to actually add another five Republican seats.
00:22:26.000 So they're in the process of this.
00:22:28.000 This gets really risky.
00:22:29.000 Like if you're adding, once you, the thing about gerrymandering that a lot of people don't get is if you stretch it too hard, you're basically making it so, let's say, for example, let's say in Texas, you made it so every single district exactly matched the state's vote in the last presidential election, just hypothetically.
00:22:47.000 Well, okay, that means, yeah, you won.
00:22:49.000 We won Texas pretty handily, but there are elections where you only win Texas by five points or six.
00:22:55.000 And you can imagine the situation where you would just lose Texas.
00:22:58.000 Like, it's plausible if you get in a really bad wipeout, you could lose Texas.
00:23:01.000 Yeah, like a 2008 Obama.
00:23:03.000 Yeah, 2008 Obama, and then like you do really bad in the House or something.
00:23:06.000 And suddenly you'd get to that point where what happens is you win more seats until suddenly you start losing them and then you can lose a lot.
00:23:15.000 So you always lose more seats too.
00:23:15.000 Yeah.
00:23:17.000 Well, because there's more seats.
00:23:18.000 Because they're taking, for the viewers at home, the listeners at home, is that you're taking districts that are 10 to 15 points on average plus for Trump or plus Republican.
00:23:30.000 You look at it two different ways.
00:23:32.000 How many points did Trump win by, the last presidential, or whoever's the last presidential candidate?
00:23:37.000 And then how many more Republican voters do you have than Democrat voters?
00:23:41.000 The real thing that's in the air is in a lot of these states, Texas included, is you have a lot more independence now than you ever did before.
00:23:49.000 And actually, I own a phone call back to a North Carolinian.
00:23:53.000 North Carolina is a good example of this.
00:23:56.000 Historically Republican state, tons of independent voters.
00:24:00.000 So if you start messing with the districts too much, like Blake's saying, you might end up in a situation where you have a new community of a lot younger people who aren't registering Republican.
00:24:11.000 They're more independent that are harder to target, and then they're harder to turn out.
00:24:16.000 Yeah, and Florida is a good example, actually.
00:24:19.000 Florida right now feels very red to us.
00:24:21.000 It's moved red over time.
00:24:23.000 Plus one million.
00:24:24.000 2012, it voted Democrat in a presidential election.
00:24:28.000 The first time Ron DeSantis ran, he beat Andrew Gillum by 36,000.
00:24:33.000 36,000.
00:24:34.000 Extremely narrow.
00:24:35.000 Think about how much history ended up changing on those 30,000 or whatever votes. 1.00
00:24:40.000 Holy shit. 1.00
00:24:41.000 This is why Bally Chasing matters. 1.00
00:24:43.000 That's why Ballet Chasing matters for you.
00:24:44.000 Because you win by a little bit.
00:24:46.000 You can swing a state for decades.
00:24:48.000 What did he win on his second election?
00:24:50.000 It was like almost 2 million votes as well.
00:24:52.000 Yeah, he wanted massive landslide.
00:24:54.000 Yeah, huge landslide.
00:24:55.000 And so you were asking what's next in this Texas case.
00:24:55.000 Yeah.
00:24:58.000 So yeah, so this panel said Texas is illegal, racial, gerrymandering, whatever.
00:25:04.000 Now it's a sort of special one.
00:25:06.000 Usually when you have these court cases in the federal level, it would go district, circuit, supreme.
00:25:12.000 With these specific election law-related cases, they have an accelerated process.
00:25:17.000 So the appeal is directly to the Supreme Court.
00:25:20.000 I've talked to some people familiar with the Supreme Court who've been clerks and such.
00:25:24.000 They think the Supreme Court would probably side with us, but it's a matter of speed because your filing deadlines in Texas, for example, are coming up here in just a couple of weeks.
00:25:35.000 So you would need the Supreme Court to weigh in very quickly, or they might just be stuck with their old house map for matters of practicality, which that's a lot of what this is about.
00:25:45.000 This Texas house map was because they specifically wanted it for this midterm cycle.
00:25:50.000 And if it only kicks in in 2028, well, then you're only two years away from a census anyway.
00:25:55.000 Yeah, throw up this image, by the way.
00:25:57.000 This is a 291.
00:25:59.000 This is the state's considering congressional redistricting.
00:26:02.000 You can look on my computer here if you want, Tyler.
00:26:04.000 But so we've got California.
00:26:06.000 They passed Prop 50.
00:26:07.000 How many, do you approximately how many seats are they going to get?
00:26:10.000 Right now, the estimation is five.
00:26:12.000 So five.
00:26:12.000 They're going to get five.
00:26:14.000 How many would Texas get if we get this in time for the midterms?
00:26:17.000 The plan was five, I believe.
00:26:19.000 And Florida, five.
00:26:20.000 His argument for that.
00:26:21.000 So we would be, if we get Texas corrected, we're going to be net five versus Texas and Florida together would be plus ten.
00:26:31.000 Indiana is plus two.
00:26:33.000 Ohio as well, right?
00:26:34.000 It's not on this map.
00:26:35.000 So Ohio is probably not going to change.
00:26:40.000 But I've heard talk that they can get two more seats.
00:26:43.000 Yeah, there's an argument for it that they can.
00:26:46.000 Going back to Blake's point, the question is, should they?
00:26:49.000 Especially with Vivek running even or maybe slightly behind his temporary state.
00:26:52.000 Because they're not in a safe of a spot in some of these states.
00:26:56.000 What's the story?
00:26:57.000 What's the story with Missouri?
00:26:59.000 They already passed new maps?
00:27:01.000 Yeah, I don't have the total update.
00:27:04.000 I'll touch up base with our Missouri people.
00:27:05.000 We can do a follow-up this next week on Missouri and how that's going.
00:27:08.000 And then I saw that at a Maryland house map there.
00:27:11.000 I know that that's a Democrat state, of course.
00:27:13.000 I think they usually have one Republican seat, so it would probably be an attempt to zero that one. 0.59
00:27:17.000 Yeah, it's one.
00:27:19.000 So then there's Nebraska and Kansas.
00:27:21.000 So Kansas could redraw their maps.
00:27:23.000 Nebraska could get the winner-take-all kind of energy and maybe.
00:27:27.000 Which we have no faith in.
00:27:29.000 Well, there's still one shot.
00:27:32.000 There's still three Republicans right now, right?
00:27:35.000 I don't think we'd get new seats.
00:27:36.000 It would just be securing.
00:27:37.000 They're worried about Don Bacon.
00:27:39.000 Yeah, they would be.
00:27:40.000 It's basically assumed.
00:27:44.000 Well, it's not a red seat, so it's a plus like three or four Dem seat that Don Bacon just has won because he's a moderate.
00:27:50.000 But Don Bacon's retiring.
00:27:52.000 And so the fear is that they're going to lose.
00:27:54.000 If they don't redistrict, they're going to lose that seat.
00:27:59.000 So go zero in on Indiana now.
00:28:02.000 Indiana, there is a push to, because they had a chance to redistrict, they failed.
00:28:06.000 One minute left.
00:28:08.000 Yeah, so right now, the state senate, I mean, they still can do it, but there's essentially holdouts of about, it depends on the day, but we have about five or six state senators that are holding out.
00:28:18.000 The White House came out really strong.
00:28:20.000 The president came out really strong, like, hey, we're going to find people to challenge these people.
00:28:26.000 And there's good conservatives in Indiana across the state.
00:28:28.000 I mean, we're talking in each of these districts.
00:28:31.000 You're going to, we need the audience to start to get to know these people because we need to replace them.
00:28:37.000 So we're talking, we're not talking districts where Trump won by five or six.
00:28:41.000 We're talking districts that Trump won by 30 or 40 points.
00:28:44.000 Jeez.
00:28:44.000 And so the president feels very strongly that we can find the right people.
00:28:49.000 Turning point action will help him.
00:28:52.000 We'll help the president and identify some of these people and get the word out.
00:28:55.000 All right.
00:28:55.000 So we need to know how to help and what to do next.
00:29:00.000 Well, Indiana could still fix this.
00:29:02.000 They could still get the redistricting done, avoid all of that conflict, and just get it over with.
00:29:07.000 So if you are an Indiana legislator that stood in the way of the redistricting fight, there's still time to save your political future.
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00:30:38.000 We've got a first one.
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00:30:40.000 We have Ellie, and she says to Tyler, my question for you is a pretty common one.
00:30:45.000 How would you recommend a Gen Z who's not in high school or college get involved with TPUSA or TP Action?
00:30:51.000 And she adds, unfortunately, I can't travel right now, and I live in a very liberal blue state where people don't want to talk about Charlie.
00:30:57.000 So I think that is a question we get a lot.
00:30:59.000 Blue state, not actively in college, can't travel.
00:31:03.000 What can I do to help out?
00:31:04.000 There's always two answers.
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00:31:16.000 First, starting with downloading the Turning Point Action app so that we can start to engage you.
00:31:21.000 Obviously, if you can't travel, you can do a lot remotely from there.
00:31:25.000 We're starting to work on putting bodies in more states, more full-time staff, and hiring full-time staff, even in what we call our secondary and tertiary states, so that we can help manage coalitions.
00:31:40.000 So, if you go to coalitions.com, we own coalitions.com.
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00:32:03.000 If you're more senior, our classic Americans, so we're bringing together our more senior activists together as well. 0.56
00:32:11.000 Do we ever get them all together?
00:32:12.000 Yeah, so we do events in the coalition of coalitions.
00:32:16.000 So, our coalitions, that's part of what they do, is they spend all the entire election cycle getting together, building relationships.
00:32:22.000 So, then once we're ready to go, they deploy and go out and help us chase ballots in close target precincts.
00:32:27.000 Question from Sonny, Tyler.
00:32:28.000 She says, Several weeks ago, Steve Bannon was talking about Georgia and how it could pick up five seats.
00:32:33.000 Is that true? 0.95
00:32:34.000 So, this is part of the problem with majority-minority districts. 0.53
00:32:37.000 So, again, Georgia's at the epicenter of that problem, which is that you have the law fair that's been used in the electoral process to give majority, minority, in this case, and in Georgia, black districts. 0.54
00:32:54.000 So, keep this in mind that with the law fair, so if the Trump administration is able to undo that, then the answer to that question is yes, you could actually gain back. 0.52
00:33:04.000 Well, I will add some caution because right now, Georgia is nine Republicans, five Democrats, 14 total seats.
00:33:11.000 So, if you were to gerrymander every single Democrat out, you'd be, like I said, you'd basically be looking at the state average.
00:33:18.000 Well, the idea lost Georgia in 2020.
00:33:21.000 Yeah, the idea would barely want it in 2020.
00:33:23.000 So, that'd be where you'd be very close to that risk point of they flip all 14 seats.
00:33:28.000 That's right.
00:33:28.000 So, even if you redistricted, you know, you got rid of majority minority districts, which you could make the opposite argument that the Democrats are gerrymandering some of these districts, that you shouldn't have five Democrat seats there.
00:33:40.000 It should be more like three or four. 0.51
00:33:42.000 Yeah, you could get it to, I think you could get it to four.
00:33:43.000 You could get it to one or two would be great.
00:33:46.000 Um, Arizona is a similar situation where we have like a pretty conservative state for the Republican side.
00:33:54.000 If we get 11 congressional seats here this next election cycle, you can make the argument that Arizona is a 9-2 seat, but it's the safer, more realistic is 8-3.
00:34:06.000 Yeah, uh, Kristen says, Hi, guys, I'm an Indiana resident.
00:34:09.000 I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to help with the redistricting push.
00:34:12.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:34:13.000 We actually have links that are going out.
00:34:16.000 We had a link that was up for turning point action.
00:34:20.000 It's tpaction.com slash, I believe.
00:34:25.000 Hang on here.
00:34:26.000 I'll pull the link in just one second.
00:34:28.000 All right.
00:34:28.000 Well, while you get that, James says, you guys are forgetting Spanberger has already said she will redistrict Virginia to go to 10 blue seats and one red seat.
00:34:35.000 Do we know what that's about?
00:34:37.000 So that is a proposal.
00:34:38.000 I think they've even claimed they can do it.
00:34:40.000 Now, I believe if they don't 100% rig their courts, which they could, it is difficult to redistrict in Virginia because I think they went to a nonpartisan system by constitutional amendment and they'd have to vote like two times in a row and hold a referendum.
00:34:54.000 They have to do a lot if they were going to do it by this next election, but they're going to try.
00:34:59.000 They are very inventive about these things.
00:35:01.000 I do have a non-redistricting question that I want to get to while you pull up those links, Tyler.
00:35:07.000 This is from Kelly.
00:35:08.000 It's a fair question because I know there's confusion about it.
00:35:10.000 It says, Hi, guys, listening to the show today about the reunion between Musk and Trump and wondering why TPSA is not doing the same with Tim Poole.
00:35:18.000 That is an interesting question, I understand, because Tim has said that he's not coming to Amphest.
00:35:23.000 Actually, we're in the process of making sure that we could do it from a production standpoint.
00:35:28.000 I was literally, we were about to give him like the green light.
00:35:31.000 We want to do this on the day that he posted a video saying he wasn't coming.
00:35:34.000 So, we're trying to work with him to get that fixed because we had every intention of wanting to do that and moving forward.
00:35:42.000 You know, he's got a very busy schedule.
00:35:44.000 I think he was hoping for the answer sooner than we were able to give it to him.
00:35:48.000 But we certainly want him to be there.
00:35:50.000 We've had a three-year run with him at Amfest.
00:35:52.000 It's been very successful.
00:35:53.000 So, we want to do it.
00:35:54.000 And we're working on seeing if it was not a calculated snub.
00:35:57.000 It was not a calculated snub.
00:35:58.000 Well said.
00:35:59.000 It was not intended to be any type of snub.
00:36:01.000 What happened was, as soon as Charlie was assassinated, I'm sure everybody can understand this, tickets sold out at Amfest.
00:36:08.000 And everybody in the conservative movement said, I want to speak at Amfest.
00:36:11.000 And so we got overbooked, even from a speaker standpoint, very, very rapidly.
00:36:15.000 And so, in order to do Tim's show, which happens at a very specific time every day on a Friday, we would have had to sort of kind of figure out how we were going to do it.
00:36:26.000 And actually, we had a good plan.
00:36:27.000 I think Tim would be down with the plan.
00:36:28.000 So hopefully, we can get it done.
00:36:30.000 And we're going to be able to do that.
00:36:31.000 And we all support it.
00:36:32.000 I had texted you.
00:36:33.000 I was like, we got to get Tim Poole there.
00:36:35.000 And then that morning.
00:36:36.000 And I said, I'm working on it.
00:36:38.000 Yeah.
00:36:39.000 I mean, obviously, we've had a lot going on.
00:36:40.000 And I want to say this too: we've had a lot going on with everybody.
00:36:44.000 We have more people that were actually telling no to for America Fest because literally there's going to be like 50,000 people there, plus everybody wants to speak.
00:36:55.000 Not that many wants to.
00:36:56.000 We're going to probably have I'll do the Charlie Kirk thing.
00:36:59.000 We're probably going to have 100,000 people.
00:37:00.000 You're going to freak out our events, too, if you say that.
00:37:02.000 No, but there's a million people in and around in and around, maybe.
00:37:07.000 Yeah, okay.
00:37:08.000 Here's another one: Indiana redistricting.
00:37:10.000 Trump threatened those Republicans in Indiana against redistricting that if they don't change their vote, they will get primarily.
00:37:15.000 Governor Mike Braun is doing an excellent job.
00:37:17.000 He has the Dems in Indianapolis to contend with, but he's staying the course.
00:37:21.000 That's from Carol.
00:37:22.000 Good for you, Carol. 0.96
00:37:25.000 Oh, census.
00:37:26.000 William, Bill says, any updates on running a new census?
00:37:30.000 I was literally thinking about that.
00:37:31.000 Well, so the difficulty with a new census is you can't just snap your fingers and do a census.
00:37:36.000 It's actually like a thing it costs $20 billion to do the census.
00:37:39.000 You have to hire a bunch of people.
00:37:41.000 So unfortunately, you would need Congress to actually vote to do it.
00:37:44.000 So it's one of many things.
00:37:46.000 I guess you could do it if we, for example, if we abolish the filibuster and rammed it through, then maybe.
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