The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie’s 4th of July Flashback + Larry Arnn on the Founder’s Key

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00:01:17.000 Okay, everybody, happy 4th of July.

00:01:20.000 Happy Independence Day, as they say.

00:01:23.000 And we have here two amazing co hosts, Blake Neff and Tyler Boyer.

00:01:26.000 Say hello, guys.

00:01:27.000 Who's the second one?

00:01:28.000 Exactly.

00:01:29.000 Blake Neff, Tyler Boyer.

00:01:31.000 By the way, I'll just let you guys take the show from here.

00:01:33.000 We're on radio stations across the country.

00:01:35.000 Growing up, Independence Day is always my favorite day of the year.

00:01:38.000 You know, it's only one of two days I have dessert.

00:01:41.000 Really?

00:01:41.000 Is that right?

00:01:41.000 What is the dessert?

00:01:43.000 Oh, it's a mint chocolate chip from Handles.

00:01:46.000 Oh, Handles is good stuff.

00:01:48.000 I pride myself on discipline and self control.

00:01:50.000 Two days a year, my birthday, and on July 4th, I have ice cream.

00:01:54.000 All right.

00:01:55.000 Do they have Handles in Scottsdale?

00:01:56.000 Oh, it's the best.

00:01:57.000 Yeah, they've got Handles down in Gilbert.

00:01:58.000 It's incredible.

00:01:59.000 It's unbelievable.

00:02:00.000 I've never heard of this place.

00:02:01.000 I've never heard of it.

00:02:02.000 They run circles around Ben Jerry's and what's the other one?

00:02:05.000 Governor Coldstone.

00:02:08.000 Oh, Coldstone.

00:02:08.000 I might just go get some as soon as this conversation's over.

00:02:11.000 No, Handles is like legit stuff.

00:02:12.000 It's like, It's real ice cream.

00:02:15.000 When Erica was pregnant, she would have it like every Friday.

00:02:17.000 I went and got handles.

00:02:19.000 It's like insanely caloric.

00:02:20.000 It's made with all the, you know, the real stuff, all the real good stuff.

00:02:24.000 So happy Independence Day, everybody.

00:02:26.000 This is an Independence Day special, and we're going to go through some of your questions that you guys email us here while we're on air, freedom at charliecrook.com.

00:02:32.000 But most importantly, we want to make sure you guys get into the mindset because this Thursday, today, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, we have an opportunity to expand our base and to make this not a weekend of just.

00:02:47.000 Celebration, debauchery, and fireworks.

00:02:49.000 A little bit of that, if you want to do that, I guess is fine, but is also of action.

00:02:53.000 Tyler is here.

00:02:54.000 He runs the largest organization in the conservative movement, not the largest in the country, because there's some left wing ones that are still bigger, right, Tyler?

00:03:00.000 We're getting there.

00:03:02.000 And our call to action right now, and we're going to get to some questions too, is make the Independence Day, make July 4th weekend matter.

00:03:09.000 Yep.

00:03:10.000 What does that mean from a political action standpoint?

00:03:13.000 We need you to get involved.

00:03:15.000 You can start doing that by downloading the Turning Point Action application.

00:03:18.000 You can find that wherever you get your apps.

00:03:20.000 So the Google, Play Store, the Apple App Store.

00:03:23.000 Also, tpaction.com has a hyperlink to it, right?

00:03:25.000 Very easy.

00:03:26.000 tpaction.com, tpaction.com.

00:03:28.000 You can go on there.

00:03:29.000 You can press the button, right?

00:03:30.000 There's a button in the top right hand corner that says, yeah.

00:03:31.000 That should hyperlink you to the App Store, right?

00:03:33.000 That's exactly right if you do it on your phone.

00:03:36.000 Second thing is just registering voters, being ready, like you said.

00:03:39.000 So, what does that mean?

00:03:39.000 Someone says, what does it mean to register voters?

00:03:41.000 Well, this is why you need the app, because we make it easy.

00:03:44.000 Once you get in and you get into the activism tools section, the arrow in the top left hand corner, there's a nice, easy button that you can push that says, register to vote.

00:03:53.000 If you want to go to our website, it's tpaction.com slash vote, which I use all the time.

00:03:58.000 Which Charlie sends me every week like two to three new votes.

00:04:02.000 I've been a monster in Scottsdale, man.

00:04:03.000 And this is what our full time reps are doing, right?

00:04:05.000 This is what everybody's doing at Turning Point Action we're registering people everywhere we go.

00:04:10.000 But tpaction.com slash vote helps the easiest way to do this because it's just like the tools the left are putting together.

00:04:18.000 So it gives you a form, you fill it out quickly.

00:04:20.000 That way we can follow up with people in case they don't actually register to vote.

00:04:23.000 Press go, and then it takes you over to your state's website to do that.

00:04:26.000 The only thing you basically need to have ready is that state ID or driver's license.

00:04:32.000 So the biggest question that people always have is, Do I have to have an ID in the state where I'm registering?

00:04:37.000 Yes, you do in most cases, almost every case.

00:04:39.000 Do you have to be the full time resident of that state?

00:04:42.000 So the laws differ.

00:04:45.000 So how they identify.

00:04:46.000 So what we do know is in every state, you can't be registered in two places, right?

00:04:52.000 You can't vote in two places, is mostly the law.

00:04:54.000 But sometimes you can be registered in two places, but you shouldn't be.

00:04:57.000 Yeah, I mean.

00:04:57.000 And you should, like when I leave a state, I call them and say, get me off the voter rolls.

00:05:00.000 Yeah, get me off the voter rolls.

00:05:02.000 I did that in Florida and Illinois.

00:05:03.000 But even if you made a mistake, you forgot to do that, and you re registered, just don't vote in both places.

00:05:07.000 That's illegal.

00:05:09.000 If you get re registered in the new place that you go, register and then vote where you live, right?

00:05:14.000 Vote where you're going to be.

00:05:15.000 I had somebody just reach out to me today.

00:05:17.000 They said, Tyler, I'm in Wisconsin.

00:05:19.000 I'm moving to Arizona.

00:05:20.000 Which state should I vote in?

00:05:21.000 I said, It doesn't really matter because as long as you need you in both, in either one is like the two most important states in the country, probably.

00:05:27.000 But if you do get here, and he said, I'm moving here in August.

00:05:31.000 Me and my fiance are moving.

00:05:33.000 How do I do it?

00:05:34.000 I said, Just get registered right away.

00:05:35.000 You'll be fine.

00:05:36.000 And you can vote here in Arizona.

00:05:37.000 But if you don't, then your ballot is going to be in Wisconsin.

00:05:41.000 Potentially, you need to go back and vote.

00:05:43.000 So, then let's say you're going to a big barbecue this weekend.

00:05:46.000 Yep.

00:05:46.000 I mean, Chicago, it's a big deal.

00:05:48.000 Huge.

00:05:48.000 Phoenix, it's more, I don't know, nighttime.

00:05:50.000 Hey, we pull Q.

00:05:52.000 Yeah.

00:05:52.000 We barbecue by the pool.

00:05:53.000 They're looking at 117 then.

00:05:55.000 Yeah, that's beautiful.

00:05:56.000 So, what we do is we grill inside the house and then we go outside and we get the pool.

00:06:03.000 So, let's say you're going to a friend's house.

00:06:04.000 They got 30 or 40 people.

00:06:05.000 Blake, what should they do?

00:06:07.000 What should they wear?

00:06:08.000 You're going to a barbecue.

00:06:09.000 It's a pro American celebration.

00:06:11.000 What does that look like?

00:06:13.000 What does a pro American citizen do?

00:06:14.000 So, meaning, how does one work that party for the betterment of the country?

00:06:19.000 Well, it's like this.

00:06:19.000 What does one do?

00:06:20.000 One, it helps if you're willing to wear the hat.

00:06:23.000 Wear the hat.

00:06:24.000 Right now.

00:06:25.000 Everybody, right now, this should be the day to wear the MAGA hat.

00:06:28.000 If there's ever a day, it is today.

00:06:30.000 Following that debate, that's going to be a lot of discussion.

00:06:33.000 And then, like, it's going to come up.

00:06:35.000 People will talk about it.

00:06:36.000 People, like, you know, you can maybe wait for someone if they have, like, the wrong beer brand and people start razzing them for it.

00:06:42.000 You can use that as an opportunity.

00:06:44.000 Always find little.

00:06:46.000 Yeah, like ways in, right?

00:06:47.000 There will be a chance where it will come up, and then you can find you can kind of deduce if someone is sympathetic if you didn't know already.

00:06:53.000 So, you're saying don't bring the wrong beer brand.

00:06:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:56.000 If you do that, yeah.

00:06:57.000 And then if it happens, then you can follow up.

00:07:00.000 Are you registered?

00:07:01.000 If they are not registered, can I help you register?

00:07:04.000 And then right now, the app comes in handy.

00:07:05.000 And you know, a lot of people it's like they fear awkwardness.

00:07:09.000 If you really put them on the spot and you're like, no, I can help you do it right now, they'll probably go for it, especially if you're kind of like bro y about it.

00:07:17.000 Yeah.

00:07:18.000 Like, hey, come on, let's get this done.

00:07:20.000 Oh, you know, it's July 4th.

00:07:22.000 I'm flipping burgers.

00:07:23.000 Like, okay, I'll fill it in, you know, for you.

00:07:25.000 Now, what are the laws?

00:07:26.000 Are you allowed to fill it in for them?

00:07:27.000 Or, like, what is the.

00:07:28.000 You can register.

00:07:28.000 Are you allowed to wear partisan stuff?

00:07:30.000 Totally.

00:07:31.000 Okay.

00:07:31.000 Arizona is really loose.

00:07:33.000 Oh, is that right?

00:07:33.000 Okay.

00:07:34.000 Most states, there's really not a ton of laws around registering.

00:07:39.000 They've deregulated it in recent years, right?

00:07:41.000 Well, the left has intentionally done that, right?

00:07:43.000 It used to be you had to be an official voter registration person.

00:07:45.000 Depends on the state, right?

00:07:46.000 So it depends on the state.

00:07:48.000 Florida is a little more hardcore.

00:07:50.000 The bluer states historically were a little bit more hardcore.

00:07:52.000 Now they've opened it up where it's like same day registration.

00:07:55.000 You don't need anything.

00:07:56.000 But look, I mean, this is why online, nobody knows who's doing it online, right?

00:08:01.000 So, you pull it up and you go to your online voter registration, which most states have.

00:08:05.000 And if they don't have it yet, they will soon.

00:08:08.000 You go right online, you register.

00:08:10.000 You just have to have that ID ready, like we said.

00:08:12.000 They have to be a resident of that state.

00:08:14.000 Typically, they need a state ID if they don't have a driver's license or a driver's license, however they say it in your state.

00:08:22.000 You need to have one of the two of those things to be able to identify yourself as an actual resident.

00:08:27.000 Once you input that, then you're good to go.

00:08:29.000 And if you're in Arizona or Wisconsin or Georgia and other places, this is a really easy process.

00:08:35.000 You upload it, you're good to go.

00:08:38.000 You're on the turning point system then if you go to tpaction.com slash vote or you go to our app and you press the button within the application.

00:08:46.000 The data, how many potentially sympathetic people are there in Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina that are not registered to vote that fit our demographic profile?

00:08:59.000 We're talking hundreds of thousands, Charlie.

00:09:01.000 We're talking literally maybe millions.

00:09:02.000 People don't believe that when you say that.

00:09:04.000 No, maybe millions.

00:09:05.000 In most cases in America, there are.

00:09:09.000 Substantial pockets of people who are not registered to vote.

00:09:12.000 You've seen this personally when you've gone to churches.

00:09:15.000 You were at churches this weekend.

00:09:16.000 Totally.

00:09:17.000 You ask people who here's not registered to vote.

00:09:19.000 And we were doing voter reg there.

00:09:20.000 And we're doing voter reg there.

00:09:22.000 We have teams that are constantly doing this, but you ask these groups of people who you would think they're a good community, but they go to church, right?

00:09:30.000 Or they own guns.

00:09:31.000 They own guns.

00:09:32.000 They participate.

00:09:33.000 They have kids that are in sometimes really important activities, Boy Scouts, other things, and they're not registered to vote.

00:09:43.000 And, you know, Wisconsin, this is like a huge deal is that hunters are not registered to vote.

00:09:48.000 In the South, we have evangelicals and churchgoers who are not registered to vote.

00:09:53.000 Here in Arizona, we have a lot of transplants who move here from other places and they just don't re register.

00:09:58.000 So their voter registration is still in California or somewhere else, but they moved here as a conservative because they wanted to get out of California. 0.59

00:10:04.000 Well, it only makes a difference if you show up and vote because they're chasing the psychos who want to turn Arizona into California.

00:10:11.000 They're chasing the crazies in Wisconsin who want to turn Wisconsin into Illinois, right?

00:10:16.000 That is our biggest task we've got to get people registered and willing to turn out to vote.

00:10:22.000 And you've got to take it upon yourself then to make sure that person does vote.

00:10:26.000 And that's step two.

00:10:27.000 But right now, they've got to be on the voting rolls.

00:10:30.000 And Blake, from a conversational standpoint, how should one talk about this current race given the dynamics of the debate?

00:10:37.000 Oh my gosh.

00:10:38.000 Well, so I think it's worth remembering.

00:10:40.000 You've got to bring it up.

00:10:41.000 You have to bring it up.

00:10:42.000 Yeah.

00:10:42.000 And I think it helps that a lot of people who probably are not super.

00:10:46.000 Who aren't really engaged with voting, they will get a lot of out of the sort of superficial, like, oh, Biden's a disaster.

00:10:53.000 He's too old.

00:10:53.000 He can't play into that.

00:10:55.000 Yeah, play into that.

00:10:56.000 Reinforce it.

00:10:56.000 Yeah, like get because people need to hear it from others too.

00:10:59.000 Yeah.

00:11:00.000 And like, I think they'll be more susceptible to like the ridicule of it, like pointing out how ridiculous it is that they're doing this.

00:11:06.000 You can compare it with the way they all lied about it for years.

00:11:09.000 Like, oh, yeah, the press covered this up for three years, basically, that Biden could not do all of these things.

00:11:15.000 And now they're all admitting it and they've lied about it.

00:11:18.000 And they're just thinking people won't pay attention and won't vote based on this.

00:11:22.000 But you can counter that by registering with me right now.

00:11:25.000 And you don't need to say it that way.

00:11:27.000 But normal people who don't vote super actively are going to be more open to arguments that are based on just these.

00:11:34.000 This is by far, and we have to go to break here.

00:11:36.000 This is going to be the most potential right wing July 4th we've ever lived through, where the left is the most ashamed.

00:11:43.000 Yes.

00:11:44.000 Lean into that, everybody, as you get your hot dogs, your burgers, and your celebration ready this July 4th.

00:11:52.000 TPAction.com slash vote.

00:11:54.000 So, Tyler, let's go through.

00:11:56.000 In 2020, Donald Trump, despite everything thrown at him, fell 10,000 votes short in Georgia, 10,000 votes short in Arizona, 11,000 ish in Georgia, 10,000 in Arizona, and 22,000 in Wisconsin.

00:12:09.000 Can we get this audience to register 42,000 new voters this weekend?

00:12:14.000 Easily.

00:12:14.000 I mean, think about how many people listen to the show millions.

00:12:16.000 We literally have millions of people that this show touches every week.

00:12:21.000 We've had tens of millions.

00:12:21.000 So even if just 42,000 people registered, one voter.

00:12:24.000 That's it.

00:12:24.000 You just got to register one person.

00:12:26.000 And that's the big story is.

00:12:28.000 Do not be thinking, oh, I have to register 10 people or 20 people or my entire neighborhood.

00:12:33.000 No, you need to register that one person your kid who is going to be 17, turning 18 before the election.

00:12:41.000 You have a spouse that may have just become disillusioned or just too busy.

00:12:46.000 There's plenty of people with spouses that just work really hard and they're like, ah, I'm so over it, right?

00:12:52.000 You have family members, extended family members.

00:12:54.000 Some of us have senior family members who have moved because they've retired and they just have said, You know what?

00:13:00.000 I'm just going to spend all my time on the beach, or I'm just going to spend all my time on the lake, or I'm just going to spend all my time in the country club or on the golf course, and I'm not going to worry about anything else, including voting.

00:13:09.000 All of these instances plus so many more have to be looked at, and it's just one person in your family.

00:13:15.000 It's one neighbor, one friend, that's it.

00:13:18.000 And that force multiplying effect is profound.

00:13:21.000 Huge.

00:13:22.000 So, Blake, now do we want to run against Biden?

00:13:26.000 Oh, that's an interesting question.

00:13:27.000 You know, I feel like we do in the sense that we know we can beat him at this point.

00:13:34.000 And why introduce uncertainty where if they replace him, it could blow up in their face and we get a big landslide?

00:13:39.000 Do you believe we can beat him at this point?

00:13:40.000 You say we know we can.

00:13:42.000 I mean, I don't say we're going to win 100%.

00:13:45.000 Obviously, that's why we're doing all of this.

00:13:46.000 Yes, but we have a good shot.

00:13:48.000 We have a very good shot.

00:13:48.000 We know he is weak.

00:13:50.000 We have evidence he will get weaker.

00:13:53.000 The party is all divided, they're flipping out.

00:13:55.000 They'll have to, I mean, assuming he's still running as the time people are hearing this.

00:13:59.000 But, like, we know we can beat him.

00:14:04.000 We know it's doable.

00:14:05.000 We're up in the polls.

00:14:06.000 We have all the ingredients we need to win.

00:14:08.000 So, why introduce uncertainty with a new candidate that the press can spin in a new way and people might go along with it or not?

00:14:16.000 I think it's good as long as the Democrats are freaking out and fighting with each other and they're doing that with Biden.

00:14:21.000 Well, and I'll say this on top of it the one thing that 2020 proved for the Democrats is that they can work with chaos.

00:14:29.000 And the chaos that proliferated because of how they leaned so far into COVID. made it possible for them to start pulling at strings and doing things that really changed the face of our elections.

00:14:47.000 And so your point is exactly right.

00:14:49.000 Giving them more opportunity to promote chaos right ahead of the election gives the Democrats more organizational, they have the organizational prowess, more ability to do that again.

00:15:02.000 And we shouldn't allow that.

00:15:03.000 We shouldn't allow that.

00:15:04.000 And Jack put out some tweets that said that we shouldn't allow it.

00:15:08.000 They need to move forward and stick with what the American public Yeah, wanted which was Biden on the ballot, and I think Republicans should support that and try to prevent chaos as much as possible.

00:15:19.000 You know, uh, it's kind of funny that there's this assumption that like they can't swap out for Kamala because she's brutally unpopular and will be even less popular than Biden.

00:15:29.000 But like Biden's approval numbers are really, really low, like substantially below Kamala, substantially below Hillary Clinton at her worst.

00:15:38.000 People really do not like Brandon at this point, and by the way, Trump called him Brandon.

00:15:42.000 Did you guys catch that?

00:15:43.000 Everyone's calling him Brandon Judge.

00:15:44.000 I think he was referring to Brandon, who was the.

00:15:48.000 Oh, Brandon Judd.

00:15:49.000 Judd.

00:15:49.000 Got it.

00:15:50.000 But everybody, but it was kind of funny because everyone thought he was referring to him as Brandon.

00:15:54.000 But he was talking about Brandon Judd.

00:15:55.000 Just call Brandon, as he was saying, or call Brandon Judd.

00:15:58.000 Yeah.

00:15:59.000 So I want your take on this.

00:16:01.000 So, watching the debate, I was quarantined off to the side, like watching myself.

00:16:07.000 We knew Biden did bad, but I don't think he did as bad as some of his other gaffes that we in conservative media cover on a daily basis.

00:16:14.000 Yeah.

00:16:15.000 Would you agree with that?

00:16:17.000 I don't.

00:16:18.000 It was pretty bad.

00:16:19.000 I think the mumbling over, you know, beating Medicare, that's in the top five.

00:16:23.000 I think that clip is.

00:16:24.000 I think that clip is moments.

00:16:25.000 Yeah.

00:16:26.000 For sure.

00:16:26.000 Yeah.

00:16:27.000 There's been a few other ones.

00:16:27.000 There's definitely been the one where, like, when he gets lost, kind of wandering around the Rose Garden, I think was one of them.

00:16:33.000 No, but I'm saying most Americans never saw the other.

00:16:36.000 Like, this is their first exposure.

00:16:38.000 This is the propagandist network that is the mainstream media.

00:16:41.000 But this is the great talking point for Fourth of July, right?

00:16:44.000 Is like, if you thought that was bad, you should start doing that.

00:16:47.000 No, that's what I'm saying.

00:16:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:16:48.000 You should realize this is a pattern.

00:16:49.000 This is a pattern.

00:16:51.000 And your government has been lying to you, and the media has been covering this up repeatedly.

00:16:56.000 The media lying is such a thing to emphasize that.

00:16:58.000 They've known this for years, and suddenly over the weekend, we have Axios comes out, Wall Street Journal comes out, WAPO comes out, and it's all these very detailed stories about how the White House personnel shielded the president from other Democrats.

00:17:11.000 And they have these extremely detailed stories on everything they did to hide how bad it was.

00:17:16.000 And you're just like, all of them knew about this.

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00:19:31.000 All right, Tyler, have you heard my theory that they might swap Joe with Jill?

00:19:36.000 Yeah, I think they already have.

00:19:37.000 I mean, yeah, I think that she has a certain term.

00:19:39.000 I didn't respond back in the chat on that, but I was going to say.

00:19:42.000 It's not the craziest idea, right?

00:19:44.000 She's already there.

00:19:45.000 She has the last name.

00:19:46.000 I really think that if you took a public poll of that, people would be very upset.

00:19:52.000 How are they not upset about what's going on right now?

00:19:54.000 That's what I'm saying, that they like the puppeteering.

00:19:56.000 I mean, they don't realize the puppeteering, right?

00:19:59.000 And so they get away with it.

00:20:01.000 If that came out in public, that would be almost, I almost think that would be worse than Kamala.

00:20:06.000 There's this great Wall Street Journal piece I have to read from here by Gerard Baker, who's very, very fair.

00:20:11.000 It's this The Democrats gaslit and deceived us for four years, all in the name of democracy.

00:20:19.000 That collapsed on Thursday.

00:20:22.000 There is something fitting about the disarray in which the Democrat Party finds itself.

00:20:26.000 A fearful symmetry in the now fraught relationship between President Biden and panicking friends and colleagues.

00:20:32.000 Biden succeeded because he made towing the party line his life's work.

00:20:36.000 Like all politicians whose egos dwarf their talents, he ascended the greasy pole by slavishly following his party wherever it led.

00:20:44.000 In the 70s and 80s, Democrats were a party of post Vietnam peacenik activists, so he followed them for that.

00:20:50.000 And in the 90s, they were tough on crime, so he followed them on that.

00:20:54.000 After 9 11, the party fell in behind George W. Bush.

00:20:57.000 And of course, Biden was right there too, leaning from the middle, backing the war on terror and the invasion of Iraq.

00:21:02.000 So it goes on to this.

00:21:02.000 And finally, but now, 81 years in, things have gone horribly wrong.

00:21:07.000 Much of his party has no use for him anymore.

00:21:10.000 They're trying to desperately jettison him and, in a remarkably cynical act of bait and switch, swap him out for someone more useful to their cause.

00:21:18.000 Do you think they're going to pull Biden?

00:21:19.000 Ultimately, I mean, we've gone through this.

00:21:22.000 We talked about this at length on Thought Crime.

00:21:25.000 I just don't know where they would go unless they have a plan that has been set in motion already for months and months, which it doesn't seem that that's been the case.

00:21:34.000 This is not planned.

00:21:35.000 There is no plan.

00:21:36.000 People are still saying, all this chaos is intentional.

00:21:38.000 You are so wrong.

00:21:39.000 This is a bad look.

00:21:40.000 When you don't have a plan in place, it's really hard to herd cats, right?

00:21:45.000 It's really hard to get everybody on the same page.

00:21:48.000 And even if it was someone like Michelle Obama, which it is almost super transparent that this is not her MO.

00:21:57.000 You know, that's why Obama came right out and was like, Joe's good, right?

00:22:00.000 Like, Joe's part of the Obama control mechanism.

00:22:05.000 I just don't see how this ends well at all trying to swap him out.

00:22:10.000 Everything points to the direction of leaving him in, even without brain function, is probably going to be the best bet for them.

00:22:19.000 And then they can blame him, by the way.

00:22:21.000 And to that point, they can blame him for a long time.

00:22:24.000 I mean, I hear that.

00:22:26.000 Blake, are they going to give up the White House that easily?

00:22:29.000 Not saying that we automatically win, but the odds are not in there.

00:22:31.000 I mean, they're sub 50% right now.

00:22:35.000 I still get our 50%.

00:22:36.000 That's for sure.

00:22:36.000 It's really crazy to think about that.

00:22:38.000 We've never in really our lifetimes had a presidential election where, well, George Bernie a presidential election where a Republican is up in the polls in a big way.

00:22:48.000 But I mean, look, I mean, the last time there was a sacrificial lamb was John McCain Obama.

00:22:52.000 Yeah.

00:22:53.000 That was the last time where it was like it wasn't competitive, get the old guy in line.

00:22:58.000 We're done.

00:22:58.000 Even then, I think they tried pretty genuinely to win that one.

00:23:01.000 No, I mean, they're going to try with Biden to this day.

00:23:04.000 But how about George McGovern in 84, right?

00:23:09.000 I guess, yeah.

00:23:10.000 Or Mondale and.

00:23:11.000 Yeah, no, that's the Mondale.

00:23:13.000 I don't know.

00:23:15.000 The Clinton Dole election was pretty ugly.

00:23:22.000 Yeah, 96?

00:23:23.000 That was ugly.

00:23:24.000 96 was ugly.

00:23:25.000 It was like, that was really that, you know, old guy.

00:23:29.000 Sorry, it was 1972 with McGovern.

00:23:30.000 Yeah, yes.

00:23:30.000 The 96 election was like, Clinton's pretty popular.

00:23:35.000 Perot's at it again.

00:23:38.000 You know, Bob Dole is just like the next man up.

00:23:40.000 He deserves this.

00:23:42.000 Like, he has to be the nominee because he's so well respected and just old bull type stuff.

00:23:47.000 I think that's the last time.

00:23:49.000 And this is, and you know what?

00:23:51.000 There are a lot of comparisons, maybe between Trump and Clinton on our side and Bob Dole and Joe Biden.

00:24:01.000 So, at what point, this will be the.

00:24:04.000 I'm, Tyler, I'm fascinated by your take here.

00:24:06.000 At some point, we are going to have a bottom up crisis where the Gallegos, the Jackie Rosens, and the Tammy Baldwins, if Biden keeps on descending, They're the ones that are going to either show distance themselves or demand a new candidate.

00:24:23.000 Can you talk about that?

00:24:24.000 Yeah, and they're going to have to start demanding a new candidate publicly in Wisconsin and Arizona and other places.

00:24:33.000 You can already see some of that circling the wagons happening in Michigan where they're like, holy guacamole, we don't have nearly the same type of support that we did organically.

00:24:46.000 And again, 16 revealed this, right?

00:24:48.000 Because they thought organically they could just wipe the floor with.

00:24:51.000 Trump and Trump just won't go away.

00:24:55.000 Well, no, what I'm saying is that, for example, let's take Arizona.

00:24:57.000 Yeah.

00:24:58.000 If Carrie Lake gets within, I mean, she's within two points right now. 1.00

00:25:01.000 In the latest tracking poll, if she's like tied her up on Gallego. 0.99

00:25:01.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:25:05.000 All it takes is Trump then to win by more than five for her to have a real shot, right? 1.00

00:25:12.000 Like for her to.

00:25:13.000 Oh, for sure. 1.00

00:25:14.000 For the manipulated shot that is.

00:25:15.000 And again, I'm not saying that we don't believe in Carrie.

00:25:17.000 We love Carrie.

00:25:18.000 We believe it.

00:25:19.000 Trump will outperform Carrie.

00:25:20.000 That is a fact of the game.

00:25:21.000 They're going to come to Arizona not campaigning on behalf of Joe Biden.

00:25:25.000 At this point, it's going to be trying to just squeeze in Ruben Gallego.

00:25:28.000 Do Trump Gallego voters.

00:25:29.000 Which is just going to be like, they're just going to be like, just vote for Ruben.

00:25:32.000 You don't have to worry about anything else.

00:25:34.000 Don't care if you vote for Trump.

00:25:35.000 This is what they do.

00:25:36.000 This is what they did with Mark Kelly.

00:25:37.000 No, no, I'm just saying that is a huge victory for the Trump campaign, though.

00:25:43.000 Yeah, but this is the reason why they're nervous, right?

00:25:46.000 Because it's like, we got to win by enough to pull, to combat that, which I think we totally can.

00:25:52.000 The work that we're doing here in Arizona.

00:25:53.000 I mean, I hope we win by one, but I mean, I have no idea.

00:25:56.000 Yeah.

00:25:57.000 I mean, but we're going to have to do everything we possibly can through the kitchen sink at the left to win.

00:26:01.000 But this is, again, Eric Hovde in Wisconsin has a role.

00:26:04.000 I'm saying if all of a sudden these incumbent Senate Democrats were their whole life, they're going to get sunk by Biden.

00:26:10.000 Do you hear what I'm saying here, Blake?

00:26:11.000 This could get wildly out of control for them.

00:26:11.000 Right.

00:26:13.000 Because think about this.

00:26:14.000 If Trump survives July 11th, which is a week from today, July 11th, the sentencing, which he will, the week after that, his numbers are going to skyrocket because it's the RNC.

00:26:25.000 And I think it's going to be a great production.

00:26:26.000 You have full monopolization.

00:26:28.000 You have a really good look for the party.

00:26:29.000 It's going to be great.

00:26:30.000 We'll be there in Milwaukee, be doing our show.

00:26:33.000 So you're looking at early August, then the Olympics happen, and everyone forgets about politics for like two weeks, basically, and the Trump campaign.

00:26:39.000 So you basically post the last bad thing on the calendar will be sentencing for Trump.

00:26:46.000 You're looking at a baked cake until the DNC, which is the next opportunity they have to do the comeback kid narrative in mid August.

00:26:53.000 Is that enough time to bring his numbers back?

00:26:54.000 Because presidential politics move at a glacial pace.

00:26:57.000 Spit it the other way.

00:26:58.000 That's enough time for him to meaningfully decay even more.

00:27:02.000 No, seriously, though.

00:27:02.000 Think about that.

00:27:03.000 That's a good point.

00:27:04.000 He looks substantially worse than he did at State of the Union.

00:27:07.000 No, 100%.

00:27:08.000 No, I mean, so is he going to be, what will he be like health wise by Chicago?

00:27:13.000 And what's crazy is they, one more time, and it's like all over.

00:27:18.000 He basically can't have another really bad moment.

00:27:20.000 He can't have a major speech where he mumbles through.

00:27:22.000 No, I think he mumbles through.

00:27:23.000 Even if it's not on a big stage.

00:27:24.000 And supposedly he's going to get through another debate in September.

00:27:27.000 So he's going to have to disappear.

00:27:29.000 But, Charlie, to your point, think about this.

00:27:32.000 Think about if those people start pulling out of the DNC convention.

00:27:36.000 Think of oh, I'm so Gallego doesn't show up, or Jackie Rosen doesn't show up, or Tammy Baldwin doesn't show up, that's right, or Senator Casey doesn't show up.

00:27:45.000 One of those people is not going to show up.

00:27:47.000 One of those people is not going to speak at the DNCC.

00:27:49.000 This is fascinating stuff, though.

00:27:51.000 Or Ken Allred doesn't show up.

00:27:52.000 He's not going to win anyway.

00:27:54.000 But these, or John Tester doesn't show up.

00:27:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:58.000 For sure.

00:27:59.000 But one of those people at least is not going to show up.

00:28:01.000 A lot of them may not show up.

00:28:03.000 They may go, I mean, again, this is where a lot of conspiracy theorists start diving in and start going, something's got to give here.

00:28:13.000 They're going to shut down the DNCC.

00:28:14.000 Like, there's going to be some kind of like massive like uprising or like controlled like burn of like Chicago that's going to shut down the whole convention.

00:28:24.000 So then people have an excuse not to come.

00:28:27.000 Like, something's like this is where everybody's talking about this.

00:28:29.000 Cause, like, to your point, Charlie is exactly right.

00:28:32.000 These people aren't going to want to have any proximity to Joe Biden by that point.

00:28:36.000 The, I was just looking at this amazing rally he had in Virginia, which is so smart.

00:28:41.000 He did it in southern, southern Virginia, right near the North Carolina border.

00:28:43.000 And it just like trolled.

00:28:44.000 It was a very smart move.

00:28:45.000 Yeah.

00:28:46.000 Because it was like campaigning in North Carolina, but it's really shoring up.

00:28:50.000 But then he trolled the left, and Young can give a great speech.

00:28:53.000 And it's really great because the left is now pouring money into Virginia because of this.

00:28:57.000 That's super smart, right?

00:28:58.000 It was right on the Chesapeake, is like right on the border.

00:29:00.000 You know, I had more North Carolina attendees than Virginia attendees.

00:29:03.000 It's like it was actually a troll maximally hard, do a rally in like Tahoe, and it's really like Reno.

00:29:08.000 Oh, no, that's what I'm saying.

00:29:09.000 No, no, you go to Washoe County, but it's kind of also California.

00:29:11.000 Yeah.

00:29:12.000 And so it's great.

00:29:14.000 So the, when the lower, so let's talk about the House.

00:29:18.000 Hakeem Jeffries is supposed to for sure take the House.

00:29:22.000 Yeah.

00:29:23.000 If that starts to get put in jeopardy after all the Speaker Johnson McCarthy nonsense, what does that look like, Tyler Blake?

00:29:31.000 I mean, how do they navigate this atmospherically?

00:29:34.000 Well, let's think about the places that the Republicans are most at risk for the House, okay?

00:29:40.000 So the Democrats are expecting to take back seats in New York and California, right?

00:29:46.000 Right.

00:29:46.000 So they're expecting that.

00:29:48.000 They had a rewrite of districts in Georgia.

00:29:52.000 Which doesn't change much.

00:29:55.000 There's a couple that could be picked off in other places that they were hoping for, like Lauren Boebert's seat in Colorado, like one in Arizona, one or two in Arizona, they're hyper targeting.

00:30:08.000 But I mean, look, outside of that, there's not a ton of places for them to pick up seats.

00:30:13.000 So the question is you look at these deeper blue areas where the left isn't investing as much, California, New York, for example, and you basically have a repeat of 2022 because of the Joe Biden narrative.

00:30:27.000 Yeah, I mean, you're putting them at potential risk of not having the House.

00:30:31.000 And even worse, a House that's controlled either by the Freedom Caucus again or by our good friend AOC. 0.88

00:30:40.000 So, the latest poll from Pennsylvania, Signal, C Y G N A L. Are they a right leaning firm? 0.89

00:30:48.000 No. 1.00

00:30:49.000 I think they're pretty fair, right?

00:30:51.000 They're towards the middle, but I think they're center left.

00:30:53.000 Has Trump up four in Pennsylvania post debate.

00:30:56.000 Yeah.

00:30:56.000 Outside of the margin of error in this poll.

00:30:59.000 Yeah.

00:30:59.000 And both with multiple candidates, to your point, actually, multiple candidates does not help or hurt Donald Trump in Pennsylvania.

00:31:06.000 So there's actually, when multiple candidates are there, some of them break down into other constellations.

00:31:11.000 I still think more candidates help because turnout, you're not going to see that reflected with higher turnout.

00:31:15.000 Do you agree?

00:31:16.000 And more candidates is really important, too.

00:31:18.000 And not just this race, but all the races, harder to chase.

00:31:21.000 So the Democrats can't chase when there's multiple candidates.

00:31:23.000 When it's binary, it's like, okay, just get them in this bucket or that bucket.

00:31:26.000 But all of a sudden, you start knocking on doors of 28 year old women, and they're like, well, I think I like that RFK guy. 0.80

00:31:30.000 They're like, no!

00:31:31.000 Yeah.

00:31:32.000 Like 30 seconds.

00:31:33.000 Well, I just think.

00:31:34.000 This actually, all these bad polls almost make it, it's almost like more likely they'll just have to stick with Biden.

00:31:39.000 Why?

00:31:39.000 Because, well, if they blow up, right now they can just say Biden is weak because he's old, but like the party's otherwise united.

00:31:46.000 If you throw out Biden and try to like replace Kamala, now there's a party civil war, and that's how you risk getting blown out.

00:31:52.000 By the way, McCormick was within the margin of error of Casey in Pennsylvania.

00:31:56.000 Yep.

00:31:57.000 He was down 12 points a month ago.

00:32:00.000 He's within the margin of error in the latest poll in Pennsylvania.

00:32:05.000 Download the app.

00:32:06.000 Get to work.

00:32:07.000 Less beer, more voters.

00:32:11.000 Blake, do you want to incorporate what you're going to say?

00:32:13.000 I think it's very important to one of the questions here.

00:32:15.000 Oh, sure, sure, sure.

00:32:17.000 Well, we had Joshua who said, How do you and your team celebrate the 4th of July?

00:32:23.000 Sometimes it feels like Americans get too frivolous with the festivities.

00:32:27.000 It feels like we forget the 4th of July should make us want to work harder, not just have fun.

00:32:32.000 What do you guys do?

00:32:33.000 Did I write that question?

00:32:34.000 I guess, yeah, maybe.

00:32:36.000 I spend time in the sun, go for a long walk, then once it gets to be like 115, I go inside, and then I have ice cream.

00:32:43.000 One thing of ice cream, I only have dessert twice a year.

00:32:45.000 That is one of the days.

00:32:46.000 All we're going to say is the founding fathers were not grilling on the original 4th of July.

00:32:51.000 They were putting in work.

00:32:53.000 But eventually, John Adams had this beautiful essay.

00:32:56.000 He said that the 4th of July will be celebrated with cannons being fired and fireworks and huge celebrations.

00:32:56.000 You know this.

00:33:04.000 So they give you a green light to celebrate.

00:33:05.000 Yeah.

00:33:07.000 It is a day that I support people to go a little bit crazy.

00:33:09.000 I eat as much ice cream as you do in a year in about a 24 hour period with my kids.

00:33:14.000 So I.

00:33:16.000 I don't share that, but I do celebrate salting a really great room temperature steak.

00:33:22.000 Oh, it's the best.

00:33:23.000 And you just salt it all day long, just salt and pepper.

00:33:25.000 That's it.

00:33:26.000 Let it sit out, grill it to perfection, get it right at that, you know, what we call rare plus, you know, right there.

00:33:34.000 Yeah, bleeds a little bit.

00:33:35.000 And then you go register a voter.

00:33:38.000 I will be around a lot of voters, and I'm wearing the MAGA hat all day long.

00:33:42.000 All day long.

00:33:43.000 Here's another one you might like Jorge, are there any facts about the 4th of July or the history of America's founding you wish more people knew?

00:33:51.000 It actually wasn't on July 4th.

00:33:54.000 You know that one.

00:33:55.000 It was actually July 2nd.

00:33:57.000 It was actually the true founding.

00:33:59.000 Just waited for that signature.

00:34:00.000 That's right.

00:34:01.000 And so July 4th was when all the signatures were complete.

00:34:04.000 Thomas Jefferson's age when he wrote it was super young.

00:34:07.000 He was like 26 or 27.

00:34:10.000 Most of them are very young.

00:34:11.000 They're super young.

00:34:12.000 There was only one Catholic.

00:34:13.000 Do you know who was?

00:34:13.000 There was one from Maryland.

00:34:15.000 I'm going to stump him again.

00:34:16.000 I can't remember the name.

00:34:16.000 Charles Carroll.

00:34:17.000 You should know that.

00:34:18.000 Charles Carroll, yeah.

00:34:19.000 Blake, you got to sharpen up.

00:34:21.000 I keep on running.

00:34:22.000 No, the point is this.

00:34:23.000 We know you know a lot.

00:34:24.000 He wasn't a very good Catholic, if I recall.

00:34:25.000 Do I know anything that Blake doesn't know? 1.00

00:34:27.000 That's fair.

00:34:28.000 That's fair. 1.00

00:34:28.000 Well, good Catholics would have stayed in Europe. 1.00

00:34:30.000 Yeah, probably. 0.93

00:34:32.000 But he was from Maryland.

00:34:33.000 You're right. 1.00

00:34:35.000 I'm just teasing on a Catholic one. 0.59

00:34:36.000 Or how about 50 years after July 4th? 0.68

00:34:39.000 Yep, they both.

00:34:39.000 Yep.

00:34:40.000 Adams and Jefferson.

00:34:40.000 That's the creepiest of all the things.

00:34:42.000 Both Adams and Jefferson both died on the same day, 50 years to the day after the signing of the Declaration.

00:34:48.000 That is crazy.

00:34:49.000 That's, I think that's.

00:34:50.000 1826.

00:34:51.000 That's God's stuff.

00:34:52.000 July 4th, 1826.

00:34:53.000 Yeah.

00:34:53.000 All right.

00:34:54.000 What else you got?

00:34:55.000 Let's see.

00:34:57.000 With all the negative news, what are some things you still love about America?

00:35:01.000 Obviously, there's a lot of serious ones, but is there a fun thing you still really love about America?

00:35:06.000 I still love that.

00:35:08.000 I have not found this anywhere else in the world that there's a subset of crazy entrepreneurs in this country.

00:35:13.000 I think that's really cool.

00:35:15.000 I think that there's a small group of ballsy risk takers that are willing to.

00:35:20.000 It really is. 0.50

00:35:20.000 When you read like threads on the internet where they ask foreigners, what do you notice about America? 0.50

00:35:25.000 One of the things they talk about is America.

00:35:28.000 Has this insane go getter energy where they're like, yeah, let's go do that thing.

00:35:32.000 And I mean, and that's what we're doing like, go out, register voters, don't just complain.

00:35:35.000 Like, it's not in the France, they're like, I don't understand.

00:35:38.000 Me, work, I do what I'm told.

00:35:41.000 It's such a foreign concept.

00:35:42.000 I've not found that replicated anywhere around the world.

00:35:46.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:35:47.000 I just haven't.

00:35:48.000 It's amazing.

00:35:49.000 What else do I love about America?

00:35:50.000 I mean, I love football.

00:35:51.000 I like free refills.

00:35:52.000 No one else does that stuff.

00:35:53.000 That's true.

00:35:54.000 And ice and drinks.

00:35:54.000 They don't do that.

00:35:55.000 Yeah, free refills.

00:35:56.000 You don't get free refills.

00:36:00.000 No.

00:36:00.000 You don't get free refills.

00:36:02.000 And if you get water, it's like a little tiny thing and there's no ice in it.

00:36:05.000 It's true.

00:36:06.000 Yeah, total atrocity.

00:36:08.000 Ice and air conditioning is like.

00:36:10.000 An unbelievable, you know, first world air conditioning.

00:36:14.000 They do not have air conditioning in Europe.

00:36:16.000 And when I first experienced this, I stayed at a five star hotel once in London.

00:36:20.000 They have no air conditioning, no AC.

00:36:22.000 They have like a little mini fan.

00:36:24.000 It's unbelievable.

00:36:25.000 It's, yeah.

00:36:26.000 Europe is poor.

00:36:28.000 No, no, no.

00:36:28.000 They're environmental.

00:36:29.000 That's a separate issue.

00:36:30.000 These are in the nicest. 1.00

00:36:31.000 Charlie, you have to understand it's way more fun to call Europeans poor because they are.

00:36:35.000 They're not that poor.

00:36:37.000 They are.

00:36:38.000 The combined GDP of all of Europe is the same as America.

00:36:40.000 Yeah, but if you go like the UK is like, oh, we're such a rich country.

00:36:43.000 And then they're like, GDP per capita is lower than the poorest US state.

00:36:46.000 Is that right? 1.00

00:36:46.000 Yeah, Europe sucks. 1.00

00:36:47.000 Germany is not a poor country. 1.00

00:36:49.000 It's not, but it's fun to say they are.

00:36:50.000 Okay.

00:36:51.000 Germany's like legitimately rich and they don't have air conditioning, they don't have Taco Bell.

00:36:56.000 That plays right into the entrepreneurship.

00:36:58.000 They can have it.

00:36:59.000 The entrepreneurialism.

00:37:01.000 I think it's incredible.

00:37:02.000 Like all of the ideas that come out of America, that without those ideas, the world would be like a shabby place.

00:37:08.000 We used to have this and Trump's trying to bring it back.

00:37:10.000 I like that we hate to lose.

00:37:11.000 Yeah, I love the confidence that America has.

00:37:14.000 I will never cheer for us in soccer.

00:37:16.000 America has confidence.

00:37:18.000 Losing is more important because it keeps soccer unpopular.

00:37:21.000 We must never allow soccer to become great in America. 0.99

00:37:23.000 Well, good news the American team lost to Panama like last week. 1.00

00:37:28.000 Thank the Lord. 0.98

00:37:29.000 Sorry. 1.00

00:37:30.000 Panamamians. 1.00

00:37:30.000 They invade our country and they're the one exception. 1.00

00:37:32.000 I'll cheer for anything else.

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00:38:43.000 Yes, it's July 3rd, but it's a special July 4th episode.

00:38:48.000 And I will tell you, we have an absolute Legend for you guys today, and that is, of course, Dr. Larry Arn, president of Hillsdale College, one of Charlie's dearest friends, and truly an icon of our age who runs one of the most important institutions in the country.

00:39:07.000 Dr. Arn, welcome back to the show.

00:39:09.000 It's so good to have you.

00:39:10.000 Good to be with you guys.

00:39:12.000 You guys are like kids to me.

00:39:14.000 I think of you as family.

00:39:17.000 Thank you, sir.

00:39:18.000 Well, we look up to you in some pretty incredible ways, and I think you deserve every ounce of our respect and admiration.

00:39:24.000 And I can't think of a better person to have on the show as we look toward the 250th anniversary of the creation of the United States of America, the greatest nation in the history of the world.

00:39:38.000 What does this mean?

00:39:39.000 What kind of accomplishment does this actually represent in the history of humanity?

00:39:45.000 A self governing republic making it to 250 years of age.

00:39:50.000 Well, start with the fact that it's the first one that was never before.

00:39:58.000 They made some radical innovations as against England and the continent and as against all previous political experience.

00:40:07.000 They set out to devise a country that would be stable and strong and free and governed entirely by the consent of the governed.

00:40:17.000 Never before. 0.59

00:40:19.000 If you read your Aristotle, he will tell you that the mixed regime is the best way to get stability. 0.88

00:40:26.000 And what is that regime? 0.96

00:40:28.000 If you're an aristocrat, you get a special.

00:40:32.000 Measure of power because of that.

00:40:34.000 If you're the monarch, you get a special.

00:40:36.000 And then the many, the deems, the democracy, they get some special power.

00:40:42.000 Now it's everybody.

00:40:43.000 And to make that happen and to think that through and do it for the first time, and remember the people who signed that document thought they were signing their death warrants.

00:40:54.000 They thought they had no choice.

00:40:56.000 One of the founders, and I'm not remembering the names of the two guys right now, it's in a movie we made lately called Revolutionary America.

00:41:05.000 One of them was fat and short, and one of them was tall and skinny.

00:41:09.000 And the fat, short one said to the tall, skinny one, You have the advantage of me. 0.99

00:41:15.000 When they hang us, I'll die quickly. 1.00

00:41:17.000 You might dangle for an hour. 0.99

00:41:19.000 So that's how it began.

00:41:21.000 And it's beautiful.

00:41:23.000 It is beautiful, and it's special, and it's precious.

00:41:26.000 And one of the reasons we want to celebrate 250 here on the show and in the country and make a big deal about it is because we believe that's the right interpretation and understanding of history and understanding of our country.

00:41:38.000 You wrote a book, Dr. Arne, that I mean, I think you wrote this 13 years ago, and it is just as critical for understanding our current moment as ever before, if not more so than when you wrote it.

00:41:52.000 And that's The Founder's Key.

00:41:54.000 Subtitle is The Divine and Natural Connection Between the Declaration and the Constitution and What We Risk by Losing It.

00:42:04.000 I have so many questions.

00:42:05.000 Did you realize you were writing such a timeless book when you did this?

00:42:09.000 Did you hope that we would have made more progress by now?

00:42:12.000 In restoring that, but just give us the fundamental thesis of the case in the founder's key.

00:42:20.000 What is the argument you're making and why is it so important right now?

00:42:23.000 Well, I'm too busy to write long books or any books except things that last a long time.

00:42:31.000 You know, in other words, if the Declaration of Independence was true when it was written, then it's true today.

00:42:39.000 That's what it says.

00:42:40.000 If it isn't true today, it wasn't true then.

00:42:43.000 So the first step is to understand it.

00:42:45.000 I set out to explain it.

00:42:48.000 What do we mean by the laws of nature and nature's God?

00:42:50.000 What do we mean, all men are created equal?

00:42:53.000 What are these rights with which we are endowed?

00:42:55.000 What are they?

00:42:58.000 The second thing I tried to do was show that it's a very commanding document, it's a revolutionary document.

00:43:04.000 It demands things of us.

00:43:06.000 And one of the things it demands is the Constitution, a Constitution like ours.

00:43:13.000 I wanted to show that those two documents are inseparable, there's overlap in the people who wrote them.

00:43:19.000 And why are they?

00:43:20.000 And so, there was this at the time that I wrote the book, there was a scholarship still around, and it says the Declaration of Independence, we really like it.

00:43:29.000 It's a very radical document.

00:43:31.000 The Constitution comes along later, and it's a conservative document.

00:43:35.000 It differs in spirit from the Constitution.

00:43:38.000 Well, what's the connection between the two documents, apart from the overlap in people who wrote them?

00:43:44.000 They come 11 years apart.

00:43:48.000 The middle of the Declaration of Independence.

00:43:51.000 The structure of the Declaration of Independence is 1,400 words long, a little less than that.

00:43:55.000 You should read it, it's really great.

00:43:58.000 Read it and read it.

00:44:00.000 The beginning is very universal, the end is very particular.

00:44:03.000 It's we in this room pledge to each other our fortunes, lives, and sacred honor.

00:44:09.000 In the middle are the reasons that justify the revolution, and those reasons are a list of things the King and Parliament have done to us.

00:44:18.000 And those things include violating the separation of powers, which gives the structure to our Constitution, Congress, courts, the executive.

00:44:31.000 Another is failures of representation.

00:44:36.000 He has not respected our elected rulers.

00:44:41.000 He himself is meant to, Thomas Jefferson writes in 1774, in a sentence that I've always loved.

00:44:49.000 It's sort of the American spirit, it's sort of Charlie Kirk.

00:44:52.000 Spirit too.

00:44:55.000 The last paragraph of this essay called A Summary View of the Rights of British North America begins Let those flatter who fear, sire.

00:45:06.000 It is not an American art.

00:45:10.000 And then he goes on to say, You and your ministers are servants.

00:45:16.000 Well, he had violated that, which is the consent of the governed.

00:45:20.000 And so the point is just think backwards.

00:45:23.000 If it's a cause for rebellion that these high principles of constitutionalism are violated, then we need a constitution that doesn't violate them.

00:45:33.000 And ours was so devised.

00:45:35.000 It has changed in some ways that I think are very regrettable.

00:45:40.000 And one of them is the Congress doesn't make the laws anymore.

00:45:43.000 And it's made in a permanent administrative state, which, by the way, a Supreme Court case just affirmed that the president can fire those guys, which is very good because.

00:45:55.000 It's not that I like the president better than the bureaucrats.

00:45:58.000 Sometimes I do, and sometimes I don't.

00:46:00.000 It's that we elect the president.

00:46:03.000 He has the consent of the governed behind him.

00:46:06.000 So you see, the Constitution is implied by the Declaration.

00:46:10.000 And remember, when I say that it's a revolutionary document, it's also a challenge document because it says if you behave in this way toward your fellow man, you are in the right.

00:46:23.000 And if you do not, you are in the wrong.

00:46:26.000 And that means that it requires of us.

00:46:29.000 That we live a certain way and govern ourselves a certain way.

00:46:34.000 And that's why the document is so revolutionary.

00:46:38.000 Because think of this crazy thing.

00:46:41.000 If I ask you, you're an educated man, what is the birthday of Great Britain or France or China?

00:46:52.000 It's kind of hard to say, isn't it?

00:46:54.000 Those days they developed over time, those countries, long periods of time, by the way.

00:47:00.000 We have a birthday.

00:47:02.000 There was a day, July the 3rd, 1776, and there was no United States of America.

00:47:08.000 And then the next day there was one.

00:47:10.000 It's our birthday.

00:47:12.000 And the document that constitutes the birthday gives the reasons for the country and how it should be governed in fewer than 1,400 words.

00:47:22.000 That's pretty good.

00:47:23.000 That is pretty good.

00:47:24.000 Well said, Dr. Arn.

00:47:25.000 You have a way of putting things that makes you see them from a whole new vantage point.

00:47:30.000 Hang right there, Dr. Arn.

00:47:31.000 We'll be right back with you.

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00:48:36.000 You know, it strikes me, Dr. Arne, there's a lot of people out there that want to be doomers, they want a black pill on America.

00:48:45.000 But Charlie had a rule and it was very, very firm.

00:48:49.000 And Blake will attest there is no black pilling on this show.

00:48:53.000 We have so much reason to be, I think, hopeful based on our past and based on the promise of the future.

00:49:01.000 Like a really personal question for you, Dr. Arn.

00:49:05.000 I am personally very upset about the Supreme Court ruling on birthright citizenship this week.

00:49:12.000 But why should we be grateful and why should we have hope?

00:49:16.000 Why do you have hope for the future of America?

00:49:19.000 Well, I think everything is doomed.

00:49:22.000 I think it.

00:49:28.000 One of my great teachers in life, I had to, one of them was named Harry Jaffa.

00:49:33.000 And he's writing a beautiful book called Crisis of the House Divided.

00:49:37.000 In 1956, he wrote that book.

00:49:40.000 And in a key chapter, he says, it is the hope that inspires, that is inspired, and is inspired by the Declaration of Independence.

00:49:52.000 Of opportunity for all that provides the energy to America.

00:49:57.000 Hope, right?

00:49:59.000 America is a challenge.

00:50:02.000 I grew up in Pocahontas, Arkansas, and my dad was a school teacher.

00:50:07.000 He never made any money to speak of.

00:50:11.000 Somehow, I grew up thinking I could do anything.

00:50:17.000 And, you know, I did a few things, right?

00:50:20.000 And look at Charlie's career.

00:50:24.000 Charlie is 17 and 18 years old, and he gets this idea and he starts sleeping on people's sofas and he builds a great organization.

00:50:35.000 Who told him he could do that?

00:50:37.000 Right?

00:50:38.000 He just thought he could.

00:50:40.000 And that's America.

00:50:42.000 Other countries do not have that in the same measure because they don't begin the way we begin and they're not organized the way we are.

00:50:51.000 The danger to the country, you didn't like the birthright citizenship.

00:50:56.000 Decision, nor did I very much. 0.99

00:50:58.000 I did not like it.

00:51:00.000 But that's partly because they don't, they missed the point.

00:51:04.000 The reason you're a member, you're a subject of England or France, if you're born there, is because you are subjects.

00:51:15.000 You're here, you're born here, you are responsible to the king. 0.88

00:51:20.000 The king tells you, right?

00:51:22.000 Here you are a citizen.

00:51:24.000 It requires an active step.

00:51:27.000 And the active step is either two people who are citizens or one give birth to you.

00:51:35.000 An implicit obligation of citizenship to raise your child to know and support his country, or you take the legal steps that are necessary to attest to it.

00:51:47.000 Just born here doesn't, in America, it can make you a subject wherever you're born.

00:51:52.000 It can't make you a citizen.

00:51:54.000 And that's another thing that's so hopeful and wonderful about the Declaration of Independence, so important about it, right?

00:52:01.000 Any nobody can be an important American, but America is a set of practices and beliefs.

00:52:10.000 And one must subscribe to those.

00:52:11.000 You know, the citizenship today's test today that is administered to millions of people, hundreds of thousands for sure, every year, it actually is excellent.

00:52:23.000 And what it requires them to do is to commit to the principles of the nation and the laws of the nation.

00:52:29.000 And those principles, see, remember, we are responsible for those.

00:52:33.000 We are the source of the immediate laws and our entitlement to do that.

00:52:41.000 Is under laws that no one makes except God, under the laws of nature and of nature's God.

00:52:47.000 And that, you see, that system, it's Lincoln says very beautifully once.

00:52:54.000 Well, I'll tell you about Lincoln.

00:52:56.000 Lincoln never gave, didn't give an important speech on the 4th of July in his life, which is an oddity.

00:53:02.000 But on the 10th of July, 1858, in Chicago, he gave one of the greatest speeches anybody ever gave.

00:53:08.000 And here's the, I'll paraphrase the speech for you.

00:53:12.000 He says, We get together on this day and we celebrate the greatness of our country.

00:53:19.000 It's grown so much, it's so big, there's so many of us, we produce so much, we grow, we build.

00:53:27.000 Awesome.

00:53:29.000 He says, but then we look back to those fathers who built the Declaration of Independence and we think that they were iron men.

00:53:39.000 I've always loved that.

00:53:40.000 I can almost hear Lincoln say, iron men.

00:53:44.000 Then we see a problem because we don't really come from them.

00:53:51.000 Many of us have come from other places, and later we are not blood of the blood and flesh of the flesh of the fathers who came before us.

00:54:02.000 Hear the Bible?

00:54:04.000 Then he says, But then we look at the Declaration and we see what it says, and it says that all men are created equal.

00:54:14.000 He said, That is the electric cord, he said, that unites the hearts of liberty loving men everywhere on earth.

00:54:23.000 That is the father of all moral principle in us.

00:54:27.000 You see?

00:54:28.000 And remember, there's a direct appeal to God as he is known through faith and through reason in that document.

00:54:36.000 It begins with that.

00:54:37.000 That is the authority under which they risked their lives.

00:54:41.000 And remember what they did to England, right?

00:54:45.000 It was nobody took them seriously.

00:54:49.000 And they thought the cause was probably hopeless when they started, right?

00:54:55.000 What they did was take a territory away from George III that was as large at that time as the Roman Empire at its peak.

00:55:04.000 That's what a victory they won. 0.70

00:55:06.000 And they won it in the name of these things.

00:55:09.000 You see, those soldiers at Valley Forge, what were they thinking?

00:55:15.000 They were thinking, these people can't tell us what to do.

00:55:19.000 We have to live our lives, and we didn't elect them.

00:55:24.000 That means that it was in the heart of everyone, and they suffered for it and died for it, many.

00:55:31.000 You see, that's inspiring.

00:55:33.000 And you asked me, What is the cause for hope?

00:55:35.000 There is the cause for hope for our country.

00:55:39.000 The ultimate cause for hope is God.

00:55:41.000 The hope for our country is that set of arrangements that are unique to us.

00:55:47.000 I love what you said, and I can't remember if you were quoting somebody, but you said it was the.

00:55:52.000 The opportunity for all people that provides the energy to the country.

00:55:58.000 And then you related that to Charlie's own story.

00:56:01.000 It's like nobody gave Charlie permission to build Turning Point.

00:56:05.000 It was imbued into his character, into his spirit by an underlying understanding of his relationship to the country, his relationship to God.

00:56:16.000 And so he went out and he took it and he built it.

00:56:19.000 And I think that is the single most hopeful thing I've heard anybody say.

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00:57:45.000 I think about a couple different things, but I get back at we're at 250 years.

00:57:51.000 That's the oldest constitution that's still in effect anywhere in the world, I think by quite a long shot.

00:57:59.000 And we've gotten through a lot of crises as a country.

00:58:01.000 You were talking about the Civil War before. 0.99

00:58:04.000 But I feel like we're going through another great crisis, which is America as we know it has taken in a larger number of people from all over the world than any country has ever done in its history. 1.00

00:58:17.000 And we see the stress that it's putting on our traditional constitution. 0.98

00:58:22.000 We have people running for office right now who just say America was founded on evil.

00:58:29.000 It's an innately wicked country.

00:58:31.000 And this is a platform that can win a primary, that can win an election, that can win almost half of Congress, it seems.

00:58:39.000 What can we do as a country, I think, to digest what we've taken into this and build a coalition that actually continues to admire the Declaration and the Constitution as what you argue are basically divinely driven documents to keep America the blessed country that it is?

00:59:00.000 Because it seems a lot of people are very eager to disavow that, and it's going to be a great struggle.

00:59:05.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:06.000 Well, yeah, so how to answer that?

00:59:11.000 You might even say it's a vulnerability of the country that it's founded with an argument.

00:59:19.000 You know, these are the propositions, and this is why we're doing what we're doing.

00:59:25.000 So, what if people come not to believe those propositions anymore?

00:59:29.000 What will happen?

00:59:31.000 That's death itself.

00:59:35.000 I think that in American history, there have been many, many challenges to the ideas in the Declaration of Independence among Americans.

00:59:43.000 The two main ones are.

00:59:45.000 The Civil War and now.

00:59:48.000 And what was the doctrine of the Civil War?

00:59:50.000 It was the idea that men are not born free, they evolve.

00:59:57.000 Some evolve faster than others.

00:59:59.000 Those who evolve faster should rule those others.

01:00:02.000 You can identify those who've evolved farther and those who've evolved not so far by the color of their skin.

01:00:13.000 God, dehumanizing that is. 0.82

01:00:16.000 Because if skin color is essential to the human being, then that means the soul, which needs to be an immaterial thing and the motivator of the whole being of the human being, is not the thing. 0.93

01:00:29.000 And if a thing doesn't have matter, it doesn't have color. 0.93

01:00:33.000 So there's that.

01:00:33.000 That's a fundamental thing, right?

01:00:36.000 Among us today is something akin to that.

01:00:40.000 It's the idea that we can master nature.

01:00:47.000 You have to start with the mature version of this doctrine, which is in German historicism.

01:00:55.000 And that idea is that everything changes with time, and we, our societies, change with time, and what is true in one time is not true in another time.

01:01:06.000 And our time is the compelling thing our situation, our context, where we live, how we work.

01:01:13.000 In Marx, it's the tools we use to produce.

01:01:18.000 In Hegel, it's more general than that.

01:01:21.000 And so we're victims of our time, except they write, because human evolution is going to a place at the end of history, we can at last see and command the whole process ourselves.

01:01:34.000 We can get control of the process of history.

01:01:39.000 That's how natural science comes in.

01:01:41.000 It gets converted into not a way of knowing, but a way of manipulating.

01:01:48.000 And we can re engineer the society.

01:01:52.000 The progressives in America, John Dewey and Woodrow Wilson and Herbert Crowley and Frank Goodenow, are my favorites.

01:02:02.000 What they write is we've reached a new stage of history.

01:02:04.000 The Constitution is an outdated mechanism now.

01:02:07.000 Remember, I have said that under the terms of the Declaration, the structure of the Constitution of the United States, which is the most important thing about it, is dictated by the laws of nature and nature's God.

01:02:17.000 That is to say, it's an eternal claim that this is the right way to make a Constitution, just like the Declaration.

01:02:23.000 Makes an internal claim about the right way we should be governed, govern ourselves.

01:02:29.000 So, they say that now we have new truths and we can use the tools of modern science in public policy to perfect the society, which is effectively saying that we can be our own creators.

01:02:45.000 We can replace God.

01:02:48.000 We can remake everything.

01:02:51.000 A little illustrated there's a Frank Goodenow, my favorite passage in the whole corpus.

01:02:57.000 These guys, by the way, are kind of technical writers.

01:03:00.000 To get the cadence of the Declaration of Independence into oneself is to encounter beauty, simply lovely.

01:03:07.000 You know, makes you want to write like that.

01:03:09.000 Hard to do.

01:03:11.000 If you read these guys, you're reading like a manual for putting a tool together or something.

01:03:17.000 Very technical, right?

01:03:18.000 But Goodnow says he was a teacher all his life.

01:03:21.000 He's founder of the American Political Science Association.

01:03:25.000 He says, We teachers take ourselves too seriously sometimes.

01:03:29.000 We think that we're teaching the students things that will.

01:03:34.000 Direct their lives.

01:03:35.000 No, economic conditions that prevail in the future will decide what they think.

01:03:40.000 So, in other words, not the student and not the teacher, but the situation in the future will govern what we think.

01:03:49.000 Well, what do you do about that?

01:03:50.000 How do you escape that slavery of being controlled by the conditions around you?

01:03:57.000 The answer is get control of the conditions, make the society according to your own will.

01:04:06.000 Then you can control everything.

01:04:07.000 You can be the maker of all.

01:04:10.000 That argument is elaborated in a wonderful book by C.S. Lewis called Abolition of Man.

01:04:16.000 Well, look what's happened to the government since those doctrines gained the sway that they have, which is not complete but extensive.

01:04:24.000 In 1930, these ideas first got a political majority in America in the 1932 election, the election of Franklin Roosevelt.

01:04:36.000 And he was not entirely a bad man, by the way.

01:04:39.000 But he thought these things.

01:04:42.000 Well, in 1930, if you look at the census of 1930, the statistical abstract of the United States, you will see that the government of the United States, all government, state, federal, and local, was about 12% of the gross domestic product.

01:04:56.000 Now, if you count the regulatory costs, that's a little over 50%.

01:05:00.000 That's an enormous adjustment from the public, from the private to the public.

01:05:08.000 The public is much stronger now.

01:05:11.000 And the government is much more numerous in its body count and what it controls.

01:05:18.000 It's harder for us to control it, right?

01:05:21.000 Another thing that's changed in 1930, over 60% of the money that was spent in the public sector was raised and spent inside cities and counties and towns.

01:05:33.000 Now that number is under 20%.

01:05:35.000 The federal government in 1930 was about 23%.

01:05:38.000 Now that number is mid 60s.

01:05:41.000 So, we have made the government much larger as a percentage of the total pie, and we have centralized where the money is.

01:05:51.000 And we now make our laws through administrative agencies, and we make many, many more than we used to be able to make.

01:05:59.000 So, the point is that's a crisis.

01:06:02.000 And at bottom, it's a crisis of ideas.

01:06:06.000 And because you guys want me to be hopeful, I will say that we know the solution.

01:06:12.000 We should question those ideas.

01:06:15.000 We should study the ideas against which they are opposed, and we should learn.

01:06:21.000 And then, if we do that, we can pick intelligently between the claims.

01:06:27.000 And there's nothing more important than the restoration of civic education in America, which means human education, finally.

01:06:35.000 So, if we do that, because if Thomas Jefferson is right, and Aristotle is right for that matter, then they have the truth on their side.

01:06:48.000 And that means those arguments will prevail better.

01:06:51.000 If they are made because they have the advantage of being actually so.

01:06:56.000 So there's the future.

01:06:57.000 That's what we have to do.

01:06:59.000 Whether we can do it successfully or not, we all think things on earth ultimately pass away.

01:07:07.000 The Roman Empire passed away.

01:07:10.000 800 years, long time. 0.99

01:07:15.000 Everything on earth, Christians think, will pass away. 0.91

01:07:18.000 But what do you do while it goes? 0.98

01:07:23.000 The answer is what I just said.

01:07:25.000 Understand the laws of nature and nature's God, there's the salvation for our political system.

01:07:32.000 Amen, Dr. Arn.

01:07:34.000 I think we want America to last as long as possible because it's been a great country.

01:07:40.000 And I think the only way we can possibly do it is we have to make people love this country.

01:07:45.000 And the best way to love it is to love what created it.

01:07:49.000 I think that's where civic education comes in.

01:07:52.000 You're exactly right.

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01:08:54.000 All right, Dr. Arn, this is the final segment of the final show before we.

01:09:01.000 We welcome in 250.

01:09:03.000 I mean, we've got the Founders Key, we've got Hillsdale, we've got Turning Point.

01:09:08.000 There's so much we could talk about in this segment.

01:09:12.000 But what do you think is the most important thing that we leave our audience with before they go into the weekend and the 250 celebration?

01:09:19.000 Well, they need to have a good day tomorrow.

01:09:22.000 They should remember, by the way, at the time that we're talking 250 years ago, the signing of the Declaration of Independence had already started.

01:09:31.000 They didn't sign it all on the 4th.

01:09:33.000 They would go in, I think, from the second to the fifth.

01:09:36.000 This is while they signed it.

01:09:37.000 So we're busy reenacting their signing ceremony today.

01:09:43.000 Yeah, you should have a good day tomorrow.

01:09:44.000 And I would suggest that you read.

01:09:46.000 We're having a big picnic at Hillsdale College for the whole community.

01:09:49.000 We'll have hundreds of people here.

01:09:51.000 We're giving them all hot dogs and hamburgers, which were, as you know, invented by the founding fathers as the national food.

01:09:58.000 And they were not vegan.

01:10:00.000 So it wasn't pizza?

01:10:02.000 It wasn't pizza.

01:10:03.000 No, that came later.

01:10:04.000 But that was an important benefit of immigration to America.

01:10:07.000 There have been many benefits of immigration to America, too.

01:10:12.000 So, we're going to have the patriotic readings, we call them.

01:10:16.000 And I've been reading them every declaration, every July the 4th since graduate school.

01:10:23.000 And they should read the declaration, should read it out loud.

01:10:29.000 Then they should read the first two pages of Abraham Lincoln's July the 10th, 1858 speech in Chicago with the electric cord in it.

01:10:40.000 And they should remember then that our country was founded by ironmen and that they established principles.

01:10:48.000 That makes us blood of the flood and flesh of the flesh with those fathers, although we are not related to them, except some of us.

01:10:58.000 They can think about that.

01:11:01.000 And then that, I urge them, they should embark upon a study of the proper arrangement of government.

01:11:10.000 Because that and the, you know, things have causes, right?

01:11:15.000 In classic philosophy, therefore, things are made out of stuff.

01:11:20.000 The cup is made out of glass.

01:11:24.000 Somebody made them, whoever made this cup.

01:11:28.000 It has a form.

01:11:31.000 Well, it has a final cause.

01:11:32.000 The final cause is to drink from it.

01:11:36.000 That's the final cause of the cup.

01:11:38.000 The final cause of the country is the protection of the inalienable rights of all of its people.

01:11:46.000 And the cup has a form.

01:11:48.000 The form is it's shaped like something you can pick up like that.

01:11:51.000 If it's too hot, you can still have the handle that keeps it, you know, and then you drink from it.

01:11:56.000 The form of the United States of America is provided by the Constitution of the United States.

01:12:02.000 And you can't identify America unless you identify those things.

01:12:08.000 And then people should embark on learning what they mean.

01:12:11.000 Why are they the way they are?

01:12:14.000 What is the argument for them?

01:12:16.000 Because we meet the argument against them every day, right?

01:12:20.000 You can't watch the news.

01:12:22.000 One of the reasons people watch this show, thank God many do, is because they're not getting that standard stuff, right?

01:12:30.000 And so you should put together in your mind, forget about what anybody claims about it today.

01:12:37.000 You want to understand the Constitution of the United States, read the Declaration of Independence, read the Constitution, and then read the Federalist Papers.

01:12:46.000 We have an online course on those too.

01:12:48.000 Those were written by three guys who helped, you know, and they helped make the Constitution.

01:12:55.000 And they wrote those, by the way.

01:12:57.000 The Federalist Papers is 85 newspaper articles.

01:13:00.000 Published in New York in 1787 88, Hamilton and Madison, key to the writing of the Constitution, and John Jay, first Justice of the Supreme Court, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

01:13:15.000 Those guys wrote those papers, and they're written as newspaper articles to tell people how to vote.

01:13:22.000 You will see that they are beautiful, and that means that they were addressing a population that could read and think.

01:13:30.000 We need to get back to that right now.

01:13:33.000 And you guys are hoping to do that.

01:13:36.000 Charlie, our friend, he called me up one day and said, I'm going to publish a book telling people not to go to college.

01:13:45.000 And I said, He knows what line of work I'm in.

01:13:48.000 And I said, Okay.

01:13:49.000 He said, I'm going to exempt Hillsdale College.

01:13:54.000 Oh, there you go.

01:13:55.000 And I said, Okay, you don't have to do that.

01:13:58.000 He said, I have to do that.

01:14:00.000 That's the one that you go to.

01:14:02.000 So the point is, Charlie, why'd he call me?

01:14:08.000 Right.

01:14:09.000 It's, it's, I love that boy.

01:14:12.000 Why did I love him?

01:14:14.000 He loved to learn.

01:14:15.000 He wanted so hard to get it right.

01:14:18.000 I was just on a board call with the Claremont Institute, where I used to work and where I'm on the board now.

01:14:27.000 And we were talking about one of our programs and what kind of people, this is within the last two hours, what kind of people should come to the program.

01:14:37.000 And one guy said, Yeah, people who are going to get PhDs and college professors.

01:14:41.000 Everybody said, Yeah, that's really fine.

01:14:43.000 And then Charles Kessler, who's the editor of the Claremont Review, said, Well, One of the best students we ever had was Charlie Kirk, and he does not even have a college degree.

01:14:53.000 And that boy learned very much.

01:14:54.000 I remember.

01:14:56.000 Isn't it?

01:14:57.000 You know, I just remember when you.

01:14:58.000 And Charlie, I'm the one who recommended him.

01:14:59.000 I said, yeah, go do that thing, right?

01:15:01.000 And I wrote him a letter for Charlie.

01:15:03.000 Dr. Arn.

01:15:04.000 And yeah.

01:15:05.000 God bless you for that.

01:15:07.000 Dr. Arn, we have to wrap it.

01:15:08.000 This was amazing.

01:15:09.000 Okay.

01:15:10.000 We are like sponges when you teach us, and we are so grateful for your time, Dr. Arn.

01:15:15.000 God bless you and happy 250th.

01:15:17.000 Bless you.

01:15:18.000 Thank you, you guys, Andrew and Blake.

01:15:24.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 03, 2026

Charlie’s 4th of July Flashback + Larry Arnn on the Founder’s Key

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