The Charlie Kirk Show - China's 'Elite Capture' with Peter Schweizer

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk show.

00:00:01.000 Peter Schweitzer, author of the new book Red Handed.

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00:00:09.000 If you have any concern that the Chinese are taking over America, listen to this entire episode. 0.97

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00:00:16.000 Peter Schweiser goes into great detail how the Chinese Communist Party is purchasing the American elites, how they're getting rich, and they're helping China win. 0.80

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00:01:56.000 I am just so excited and honored to have the next guest we have on here, and he's someone that i've been wanting to talk to for quite some time, someone who I think is one of the last journalists in the country who has this unbelievable new book out called red handed, how American elites get rich helping China win, by Peter Schweitzer.

00:02:16.000 I have so much respect for this man.

00:02:18.000 He's courageous and clear.

00:02:19.000 Peter, welcome to the Charlie Kirk show.

00:02:22.000 Well, thanks so much, Charlie.

00:02:23.000 I appreciate that kind introduction.

00:02:25.000 It's great to be here with you.

00:02:26.000 Thanks so much for having me.

00:02:28.000 You have probably, you're probably the most effective investigative journalist of this generation.

00:02:33.000 You are willing to go after both sides and we're going to talk about that throughout this conversation, because it's not just about the Democrat Party, it's about the elites in general.

00:02:40.000 Tell us about this book and then let's dive into some of the details.

00:02:44.000 Yeah, this book is really looking at the question uh, that China has said, really for more than a decade, that the Chinese Communist Party uh, they are determined to surpass the United States and defeat us.

00:02:55.000 And the question is, what is our leadership class doing about it?

00:02:58.000 Uh, and what really the book concludes and demonstrates, I think with a lot of evidence, is, uh, what our leadership class is doing is selling us out.

00:03:06.000 Uh, they're getting sweetheart deals from China. 0.83

00:03:09.000 This is part of China's strategy. 0.54

00:03:10.000 They call it elite capture. 0.95

00:03:13.000 And it's really pretty simple, Charlie.

00:03:15.000 Rather than go toe-to-toe with the United States, they figure, let's just, in a sense, cut off the head of the snake.

00:03:21.000 Let's buy off the elite class in Silicon Valley on Wall Street and in Washington, D.C., and then we can do what we want.

00:03:28.000 And we are perilously close to being in exactly that situation where the United States is not going to do anything to resist China.

00:03:36.000 And if we're in that situation, God help us.

00:03:39.000 You know, I thought you were going to say something.

00:03:41.000 You said, well, the answer is they're doing nothing.

00:03:43.000 Actually, if they were doing nothing, it'd be better, right, Peter?

00:03:45.000 It's worse than that.

00:03:46.000 That's true.

00:03:47.000 If they were just kind of ignoring it, that'd be better than what they're getting paid off.

00:03:52.000 Right.

00:03:52.000 Yeah, they're aiding and abetting the enemy.

00:03:55.000 You're exactly right. 0.70

00:03:56.000 Not only are they not doing something to challenge what China is doing to us, they are actually actively helping them. 0.50

00:04:03.000 I mean, you've got Titans in Silicon Valley, people like Bill Gates, companies like Google that literally are sponsoring research and providing resource for research in China into artificial intelligence with laboratories that are linked to the Chinese military. 0.83

00:04:20.000 So they're aiding and abetting a military that is pointing its weapons at us.

00:04:24.000 And you can find similar examples elsewhere.

00:04:27.000 So you're quite right, Charlie.

00:04:28.000 It's not just that they're not doing nothing. 0.93

00:04:30.000 They are actively aiding and abetting China in their race against us. 0.87

00:04:36.000 So you call this in your over quarter of a century of being an investigative journalist and a good one, I might add. 0.89

00:04:42.000 This is the scariest investigation you've ever conducted.

00:04:45.000 Tell us about that.

00:04:47.000 Yeah, it's the scariest for a couple of reasons.

00:04:49.000 First of all, the breadth and the depth of it.

00:04:53.000 You know, I've done exposés in the past on insider trading in the stock market, which causes a problem, but I don't think puts the country in peril.

00:05:01.000 I've obviously done investigative work on the Clintons in my book, Clinton Cash.

00:05:06.000 Again, that was focused on that one political family.

00:05:10.000 But in this case, we're talking about something that's all pervasive.

00:05:13.000 We're talking about the biggest names on Wall Street, the biggest financial institutions there, certainly the biggest names in Silicon Valley, and the most powerful people in Washington, D.C., certainly in the White House with the first family, but also with the Speaker of the House, leaders in the Senate.

00:05:31.000 So it's all pervasive and the stakes are so high.

00:05:34.000 China's made clear.

00:05:36.000 The Chinese Communist Party is made clear.

00:05:38.000 Their objective is to seize what they call the commanding heights so that they can dominate and supplant us as the world's most powerful country in the world. 0.78

00:05:48.000 And that is something we ought to be concerned about.

00:05:51.000 Well, definitely.

00:05:51.000 And it's not that their ambition is anything new.

00:05:54.000 The Soviet Union wanted to do the same thing.

00:05:56.000 It's their strategy and their patience that is different.

00:05:59.000 Peter, talk about that.

00:06:00.000 The Soviet Union, they were obviously very antagonistic towards the West.

00:06:04.000 They tried many proxy experiments in Rhodesia and Cuba and other places.

00:06:08.000 But the Soviet Union might have had some success that McCarthy was trying to uncover in infiltration, but nothing close to what the Chinese Communist Party has been able to do, where they said, hey, we're going to use the market system, the love of money of the West against them.

00:06:22.000 Tell us about that.

00:06:23.000 No, that's a very, very important point, a brilliant point that you're making.

00:06:28.000 You know, during the Cold War, the Soviets had a strategy like this.

00:06:32.000 They couldn't execute it because they didn't have the money.

00:06:35.000 I mean, remember, it was Vladimir Lenin who, you know, basically said the capitalists will sell us the rope by which we'll hang them. 0.79

00:06:43.000 And at the same time, he said that the capitalists will be deaf, dumb, and blind in the face of what we're doing. 0.91

00:06:50.000 Brilliant strategy.

00:06:51.000 The problem is they didn't, you know, nobody in the West wanted rubles, and they simply couldn't pay them.

00:06:57.000 The problem is China does have the money, and you add to that elements of sort of the Maoist strategy that they've employed, and we have a real problem.

00:07:08.000 Sometimes what people will say is they'll look at a politician like Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi and they will say, well, you know, look, they're being critical of Beijing. 0.73

00:07:17.000 They're criticizing them for their treatment of the Uyghurs. 1.00

00:07:21.000 China's fine with that. 1.00

00:07:22.000 They have a strategic concept that loosely translated to English means big help with a little bad mouth. 0.94

00:07:31.000 And what it basically means, Charlie, is, you know, if you say a few bad things about us.

00:07:35.000 We don't really care. 0.99

00:07:36.000 The main thing is if you're giving us the main elements of what we want, which is access to Western capital, access to Western technology, if you don't interfere with the flow of those things, you can criticize us about the Uyghurs from time to time. 0.97

00:07:50.000 We don't care because you're giving us, you know, big help with a little bad mouth. 1.00

00:07:55.000 It's a genius strategy and it's working.

00:07:58.000 Well, it's brilliant also because then it gives them cover to go back to their constituents and say, oh, no, no, I sent a tweet out actually two months ago.

00:08:05.000 Okay.

00:08:06.000 Exactly.

00:08:07.000 Exactly.

00:08:07.000 It helps maintain some semblance of credibility.

00:08:11.000 I'll put that in quotation marks with these elected officials because they point to it all the time.

00:08:16.000 It's meaningless. 0.98

00:08:17.000 Beijing doesn't care if Nancy Pelosi holds a press conference and slaps them on the wrist for the Uyghurs. 1.00

00:08:24.000 They really don't care. 1.00

00:08:26.000 So you mentioned something interesting, which is that China has money.

00:08:29.000 And something I want to explore with you as we dive into the details of this book is how that actually happened.

00:08:34.000 Because China was kind of in a catch-22 in the 90s where we allowed them into the World Trade Organization.

00:08:41.000 And that was kind of the beginning of their entrance into the Western markets. 0.98

00:08:45.000 And China was, you know, they're not creators. 0.94

00:08:48.000 They're not inventors.

00:08:50.000 Instead, they have a lot of people.

00:08:51.000 And they basically became this massive, this place where labor re-domiciling could occur.

00:08:58.000 They have money now, but there were some decisions made in the 80s and 90s to allow China into the market. 0.84

00:09:05.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:09:06.000 Look, there was a promise we were given by American elites, and this is Republican, Democrat presidents, people on both sides of the aisle.

00:09:13.000 Wall Street certainly pushed this idea.

00:09:15.000 Big tech pushed this idea.

00:09:17.000 It was pretty simple.

00:09:18.000 If we open up our markets, if we provide capital to them, if we give them access to technology, if we let them buy our blue jeans, they're going to become more like us.

00:09:29.000 The government's going to become less repressive.

00:09:31.000 They're going to become basically a quasi-United States.

00:09:36.000 Well, of course, that didn't happen.

00:09:37.000 In fact, the opposite has happened.

00:09:39.000 Under President Xi, they are far more repressive than they were before.

00:09:43.000 They're far more aggressive than they were.

00:09:45.000 So the ruling class, the elite class in the United States that pushed this idea was flat out wrong.

00:09:51.000 Well, guess what?

00:09:52.000 They don't care because they might have been wrong, but they got rich doing it.

00:09:57.000 The biggest banks on Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, they actually went over to China in the 1990s and said, here's how to set up your system to allow the Communist Party to stay in control, but to have these elements of capitalism that will allow your economy to grow. 0.86

00:10:12.000 So we now have an increasingly rich China, an increasingly aggressive China. 0.86

00:10:19.000 And it is a China largely of our creation because we bought into this myth, this lie that they would become more like us. 0.89

00:10:26.000 And that has not happened. 0.67

00:10:28.000 No matter the people that were pushing that line got rich along the way.

00:10:32.000 So honestly, they don't seem to care all that much.

00:10:35.000 I bought into it too.

00:10:36.000 First couple of years I was doing this when I was 18 or 19 years old.

00:10:38.000 I remember going to think tanks in DC and I asked questions about China and they would give me these papers that were obviously funded by McKinsey where they said, no, no, it's actually a really good thing.

00:10:47.000 You get access to cheaper goods and it keeps inflation down and it's this wonderful thing and they're going to be like us.

00:10:52.000 Like eventually it's not going to be Beijing.

00:10:54.000 It'll be Brooklyn and we'll all live in this kind of harmony together.

00:10:58.000 And it was, it was, I was young, obviously, but the elites should have known better, but they did probably know better.

00:10:58.000 And I bought it.

00:11:04.000 That's what I want to ask you.

00:11:05.000 want to explore that is how much of this have they really kind of um admitted to themselves they're betraying the west and how much of this is kind of like i'm just going to make money and i don't you know really care about the consequences i want to ask you about the psychology of it because i'm really interested in it peter we could get into this you know as we go case by case because i do want to get into the specifics of the book it's just such an important contribution what you've done here and courageous by the way because people are so afraid to touch this topic how much of this kind of selling out of the America to China,

00:11:35.000 how much of this is just kind of seeking profits?

00:11:38.000 You know, what's the psychology behind here?

00:11:41.000 How do these elites that you have on the front cover here, John Boehner, Elon Musk, Nancy Pelosi, LeBron James?

00:11:46.000 I think that's Henry Kissinger, if I'm not mistaken.

00:11:49.000 And then Bill Gates and then Joe Biden, how do they justify this?

00:11:53.000 It's a great question, Charlie.

00:11:55.000 I think for some people, the motivation is profit and money, particularly those that don't have a lot of it.

00:12:01.000 You know, if you're in public life and you're a guy like Joe Biden and you want to accumulate assets or your family wants to accumulate assets, it's going to be very tempting and you're going to be willing to play ball if you don't have moral problems with doing this.

00:12:18.000 With other people like Bill Gates, who's worth $100 billion plus, it's harder to understand.

00:12:24.000 And I think in a lot of cases, the motivation isn't simply just about money.

00:12:28.000 I think if you look at Bill Gates, I think if you look at Elon Musk, I think if you look at the guys at Google, there's a, you might say, authoritarian impulse or an authoritarian lust that they have.

00:12:43.000 That's a pretty strong statement to make, but they make these statements about China where they talk about the fact that decision-making in China is so much more efficient.

00:12:53.000 Some of them even say that the Chinese dictatorship is more responsive to the needs of the people than America's democratic republic.

00:13:03.000 It's a bizarre sort of position to have, but I think they actually believe it. 0.86

00:13:08.000 And I quote in the book from a computer scientist from MIT in the 1970s, a guy named Wiesenbaum, who makes a really interesting observation, Charlie.

00:13:19.000 He said, those that work in technology that are computer programmers, in a sense, they can develop a god-like complex.

00:13:27.000 Because unlike any military commander, political leader, when they are doing their work as a programmer, they are God.

00:13:35.000 They get to configure the program, the universe, the platform, the way that they want to do it.

00:13:41.000 That's what Mark Zuckerberg got to do with Facebook.

00:13:43.000 He got to, in a sense, reformulate the way in which people interact.

00:13:49.000 And his concern was that this leads people in the tech space to think that they should start reorganizing the rest of the world.

00:13:59.000 So I think it's money, certainly in the case of a lot of politicians.

00:14:03.000 But I think when it comes to these very wealthy elites on Wall Street and Silicon Valley, there is this respect and admiration that they have for dictatorship that's very troubling.

00:14:16.000 And I think is part of the reason they say such wonderful things about Beijing.

00:14:20.000 It's not just getting access to the market.

00:14:22.000 They actually really believe some of this stuff.

00:14:25.000 That's such an important point.

00:14:26.000 I mean, you remember Mike Bloomberg said that when he was running for office.

00:14:29.000 He's like, well, come on, you're trying to tell me that Xi Jinping isn't responsive to the needs of his people.

00:14:33.000 And you're right.

00:14:34.000 I mean, Mark Zuckerberg, it's not just a matter of being God and configuring a new universe.

00:14:37.000 It's even worse than that.

00:14:38.000 It's like, I can see what other people think as well.

00:14:40.000 Like, I can go see their private messages.

00:14:42.000 I can see their thoughts and their sentence.

00:14:44.000 I can manipulate them.

00:14:45.000 I can actually incentivize them to buy certain products and feel certain ways and to get really depressed or really excited. 0.58

00:14:51.000 And I can control dopamine flows and teenage girls, like really creepy. 0.95

00:14:54.000 You're right. 0.65

00:14:55.000 It's beyond any sort of control that Alexander the Great ever would have possibly ever had.

00:14:59.000 When you did this research, were you shocked at the extent of the connection between the American ruling class in every single industry to the Chinese Communist Party?

00:15:11.000 Yes, yes, I was. 0.61

00:15:13.000 I expected there to be more big names in big tech and on Wall Street who would refuse to play the game with Beijing.

00:15:20.000 That's the reality.

00:15:22.000 I mean, if you look at the Titans of the tech world, you're talking about Bill Gates, you're talking about the founders of Google, you're talking about Mark Zuckerberg, you know, a few others that I mentioned in the book. 0.51

00:15:32.000 Every single one of them has deep, troubling, and serious ties with Beijing.

00:15:37.000 Same thing on Wall Street, BlackRock, Blackstone, Ray Dalio's, Bridgewater Associates, the biggest hedge fund in the world.

00:15:44.000 All of them falling over themselves, saying wonderful things about President Xi, turning their gaze elsewhere when it comes to serious human rights violations or the national security threat that China poses.

00:15:58.000 Every single one of them is doing this.

00:16:00.000 So it is all pervasive.

00:16:02.000 There are a few courageous voices resisting this in the tech world.

00:16:06.000 I talk about Peter Thiel, who has sounded the alarm bells on this very effectively.

00:16:12.000 But yes, I'm alarmed by the extent.

00:16:15.000 I'm also alarmed by the fact, Charlie, that nobody asks them these questions.

00:16:19.000 When they go on CNBC, when they go on ABC News, they never get asked questions about the things they say about China.

00:16:25.000 Never.

00:16:26.000 Red-handed, how American elites get rich helping China win.

00:16:30.000 And I think, Peter, you could correct me.

00:16:32.000 Harper Collins, is that the imprint here?

00:16:35.000 They're saying they've never had such pre-orders of a book ever.

00:16:39.000 That's what I heard.

00:16:39.000 Is that right?

00:16:40.000 That's right.

00:16:41.000 That's right.

00:16:41.000 Yeah, the book is selling great.

00:16:43.000 I'm very thankful to everybody who's got interest in this.

00:16:46.000 And Charlie, I'm sure you'd probably say the same.

00:16:48.000 It gives me hope that there are millions of people out there that are concerned about these issues.

00:16:52.000 And I got to be thankful for that.

00:16:54.000 I totally agree.

00:16:55.000 My goal is for you to beat To Kill a Mockingbird.

00:16:57.000 Nothing against that book.

00:16:58.000 I actually kind of like it, but that would actually save Western civilization.

00:17:01.000 I think Harper Collins ends the rights to kill a mockingbird.

00:17:04.000 I could be wrong.

00:17:05.000 I think you're right.

00:17:05.000 Okay, Peter.

00:17:06.000 Let's get into the specifics of Joe Biden.

00:17:09.000 He's right on your cover.

00:17:10.000 The floor is yours.

00:17:12.000 I mean, you know, I first reported on the Biden family's commercial ties with China back in 2018 and believed it to be a story about cronyism and corruption and self-dealing and Chinese influence peddling.

00:17:12.000 Yeah.

00:17:26.000 But Charlie, with new evidence that's come out from the laptop, from emails from some of Hunter Biden's business partners, we got access to their email accounts.

00:17:36.000 The story has taken a significant and I think very troubling change.

00:17:40.000 And that change is we are now talking about a story that enters the realm of the intelligence world and possibly espionage.

00:17:50.000 What do I mean by that?

00:17:51.000 Well, we decided to look back and trace who actually made those commercial deals happen in China for the Biden family.

00:17:59.000 And what we found is that the Biden family and their companies, Hunter's companies, got some $31 million from Chinese businessmen in deals.

00:18:10.000 And every single one of these deals was put together by a Chinese businessman who had ties to the highest levels of Chinese intelligence.

00:18:20.000 So what do I mean by that?

00:18:22.000 Well, there's a $20 million deal where Hunter Biden gets an ownership stake in a financial management company that's financed by the Chinese government, of all things.

00:18:33.000 He, of course, has no background in finance or anything like that, but he gets this deal.

00:18:38.000 Who makes that deal happen?

00:18:40.000 Who gives Hunter Biden this windfall of money? 0.69

00:18:44.000 Well, his name is Cha Fang.

00:18:46.000 And Cha Feng, at the same time he is helping this deal happen for Hunter Biden, is business partners with the Vice Minister for State Security in China. 0.75

00:18:56.000 This is their spy agency, their KGB.

00:19:00.000 And that person's job at the Ministry for State Security is recruiting foreign nationals to spy for China. 0.58

00:19:07.000 He's also reportedly responsible for North American intelligence operations.

00:19:13.000 There's another businessman that helps make that deal happen.

00:19:17.000 And in another instance, transfers $5 million to one of Hunter Biden's companies.

00:19:23.000 And that guy, Mr. Zhao, is business partners with the family of the former minister of state security, the guy who runs the entire spy apparatus in China.

00:19:34.000 So what you see, Charlie, is this concentration of people connected to Chinese intelligence who are throwing deals at the Biden family.

00:19:43.000 And the Biden family are taking those deals.

00:19:47.000 And the question everybody has to ask themselves, I think we both know the answer to this, is is the Chinese intelligence service, is the Chinese state, are these businessmen just philanthropists?

00:19:58.000 Of course not.

00:19:59.000 Of course not.

00:20:00.000 They are doing this because they expect something in return and the deals kept flowing.

00:20:05.000 So my belief is that they got certain things in return.

00:20:08.000 And we have to now entertain the notion that the Biden family is compromised.

00:20:13.000 It's a crime syndicate.

00:20:14.000 The CCP is running.

00:20:16.000 The mob doesn't give money to the local charity because they care about the orphans or the disadvantaged.

00:20:20.000 They want something out of it.

00:20:22.000 How much money has the Biden family received from the CCP?

00:20:27.000 Yeah, so we believe it's some $31 million.

00:20:30.000 That's based on the deals we know.

00:20:32.000 There could possibly be other deals.

00:20:35.000 And what's important to point out here, Charlie, is that people that will, you know, on the political left say will acknowledge that Hunter Biden did these things.

00:20:44.000 They try to sort of siphon it off and say, well, you know, that's Hunter Biden.

00:20:48.000 That's a Hunter Biden problem.

00:20:50.000 The problem is the other thing we point out in the book, and there's numerous examples of this, Hunter Biden and Joe Biden, throughout the time he's vice president, probably still today, as far as I know, have intertwined finances.

00:21:04.000 We know that during the vice presidency, Hunter Biden was paying Joe Biden's bills.

00:21:11.000 Some of those are kind of rudimentary, that he'd pay a $300 phone bill.

00:21:14.000 So Joe Biden could have this kind of strange back channel private telephone line.

00:21:20.000 But he also paid for renovations on his home up in Delaware and there are other expenses.

00:21:25.000 So when Hunter Biden is getting these foreign deals and collecting this money, one of the beneficiaries is Joe Biden himself.

00:21:35.000 So on page 37 of your book, Red Handed, that everyone should go buy at least five copies of and give to your loved ones.

00:21:43.000 And honestly, give to your elected official if you see them in hand and be like, what are you doing about this?

00:21:47.000 Don't just tweet about it.

00:21:48.000 You mentioned someone that I was going to ask you about, Peter, which is Tony Bobulinsky.

00:21:53.000 Tony Bobulinsky seemed to be a very ethical person.

00:21:55.000 He had no reason to do what he did.

00:21:57.000 Tucker Carlson aired his interview as viewed by 10 million plus people.

00:22:00.000 And then he got memory hold, to use an Orwell term.

00:22:03.000 We just kind of stopped talking about him.

00:22:05.000 What's the latest with Tony Bobulinsky?

00:22:07.000 Because he told us very explicitly, in no uncertain terms, 10% for the big man.

00:22:13.000 The big man is Joe Biden.

00:22:14.000 We met in like the back of the Beverly Hilton Hotel or something, right?

00:22:18.000 In this kind of weird, like clandestine meeting.

00:22:20.000 And Joe Biden came and he was like, happy, go lucky.

00:22:23.000 But it was very clear that he was being factored into the deal with the Chinese.

00:22:26.000 Tell us about the curious case of Tony Bobulinsky.

00:22:30.000 Yeah, you know, Tony, I think, is somebody who's a private person.

00:22:35.000 I mean, he's not a political person at all.

00:22:38.000 And he saw this happening and decided to alert the public to it, let the public know what was going on.

00:22:44.000 And everything he said has been confirmed by the documents in the laptop and elsewhere.

00:22:51.000 That deal, the 10% for the big guy phrase, involved a Chinese company called CEFC.

00:22:58.000 CEFC was run by a Chinese businessman named Yi, who before taking this job had actually run an organization that was funded and directed by Chinese military intelligence.

00:23:12.000 This company, CEFC, was located in a section of Beijing that is controlled by the Chinese military.

00:23:21.000 So there's all kinds of red flags.

00:23:22.000 And, you know, as Tony Bobolinski recounts, he found out pretty quickly who he was dealing with on the Chinese end, which troubled him.

00:23:31.000 But he also saw that what this was for Hunter Biden was not any kind of legitimate business.

00:23:36.000 This was about him collecting money and that Joe Biden was intimately involved.

00:23:42.000 So I think Tony Bobolinski, as far as I know, really has decided to return to private life.

00:23:49.000 Hopefully he will make an appearance again and discuss further some of his findings.

00:23:53.000 But to me, he was very, very credible because he was not political.

00:23:58.000 He was brought into this deal because of his expertise.

00:24:01.000 He's a patriot.

00:24:02.000 He loves his country.

00:24:03.000 And he saw red flags all over the place when he got involved.

00:24:07.000 It's interesting to point out, by the way, Charlie, that the CEFC that has all these ties to Chinese intelligence, the plan was for Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, and the representatives from CEFC to actually share office space in Washington, D.C. In the emails, Hunter talks about getting signage put up to that effect.

00:24:30.000 The only reason that does not happen is one of the company executives from CEFC gets arrested by the FBI on espionage and bribery charges in New York, and that blows the whole thing up.

00:24:42.000 So it just tells you this fundamental question of the Biden family being compromised has to be looked at.

00:24:49.000 I believe they are, and I believe that there's substantial evidence that they are.

00:24:53.000 So let me ask you a technical question that I'm just curious.

00:24:56.000 And you don't have to, you know, divulge your trade secrets.

00:24:59.000 So you say $31 million that you know of.

00:25:02.000 Peter, how do you find this information?

00:25:04.000 I mean, it's not like you could type it into Yahoo or Bing.

00:25:07.000 I'm just curious.

00:25:08.000 Can you just kind of give our audience a little bit of an inside peek?

00:25:10.000 Like you have a team I know that works on this.

00:25:12.000 I'm super curious about that.

00:25:14.000 Yeah, you know, the challenge a lot of times you face in research today is not too little information, but too much.

00:25:19.000 So the 31 figure is very straightforward.

00:25:23.000 20 million comes from the deal that he did with BHR, which is that private equity fund.

00:25:30.000 And that information comes from a University of Chicago business school professor who looks at the size of the fund that Hunter was brought into, his 10% ownership stake, and says, this is what this is worth by sort of industry standards.

00:25:45.000 It could be worth more, but that's what it's worth.

00:25:48.000 So in some cases, it's getting expert analysis, serious expert analysis.

00:25:53.000 In other instances, for example, the other $11 million, you have $5 million transfer to one of Hunter Biden's companies, another $6 million that's transferred to Hunter into some of his companies.

00:26:04.000 That actually comes from so-called suspicious activity reports or SARS reports that are filed with the Treasury Department.

00:26:12.000 Anytime a U.S. bank sees money flowing from a, let's say, sketchy source or a troubling source to what is regarded as a politically connected figure, and Hunter Biden would be one of those, obviously, it gets flagged and it goes to the Treasury Department.

00:26:29.000 Those reports relating to Hunter Biden were released by the Senate last year.

00:26:34.000 So we went and looked at those reports.

00:26:36.000 We then went to Chinese corporate records and we looked at Chinese business publications and other sources to trace who were involved in these companies.

00:26:46.000 And then we, of course, find out found out through the Hunter Biden laptop who were the people that made those deals happen.

00:26:53.000 And then we did a detailed research analysis on Chinese sources on who those individuals are.

00:26:59.000 Every bit of information that we use is footnoted in the back.

00:27:03.000 Unlike some sources that were used in the steel dossier, we do not use any.

00:27:09.000 Yeah, we don't use any anonymous sources.

00:27:12.000 As far as I'm concerned, anonymous sources are basically worthless.

00:27:16.000 You should be able to show them and share them, and people should be able to replicate them on their own.

00:27:20.000 And you can do that with this book.

00:27:22.000 I have the book in front of me, and I am not exaggerating.

00:27:25.000 There are 100 pages of notes and citations.

00:27:28.000 I'm just kind of estimating.

00:27:29.000 That's about right.

00:27:29.000 Yeah, 100 pages.

00:27:30.000 If you count the index and you count the notes, the Fusion GPS dossier definitely did not have that.

00:27:35.000 And I think that's so interesting.

00:27:36.000 And your answer is straightforward, which is like, we just did the work.

00:27:39.000 Like, we just looked at what was out there.

00:27:40.000 We went into the documents.

00:27:42.000 You know, it's amazing.

00:27:43.000 We have multi-billion dollar media companies that wouldn't touch this stuff.

00:27:46.000 But if an investigative journalist says, okay, well, what would this be?

00:27:49.000 What would that be?

00:27:50.000 $31 million to the current president of the United States.

00:27:53.000 You think that would concern some people?

00:27:55.000 Certainly did when Trump wanted to do a hotel deal or something in Moscow.

00:27:59.000 This is really important for people to realize that the rise of China has been fueled by our decisions.

00:28:05.000 We made this happen. 0.88

00:28:06.000 We have subsidized it.

00:28:07.000 We facilitated it.

00:28:08.000 We've covered up for it. 0.96

00:28:10.000 And the Chinese Communist Party is on pace to eclipse us in every single capacity, militarily, technologically. 0.93

00:28:17.000 And they believe that their view of civilization is superior to ours.

00:28:20.000 These people do not mess around.

00:28:22.000 They want global conquest.

00:28:23.000 Peter, I want to go over two topics in the five minutes we have remaining.

00:28:26.000 Number one, I want you to talk about any one of the other elites.

00:28:28.000 And then finally, I want to just you to hit what can be done here.

00:28:32.000 How can we bring justice to all this?

00:28:34.000 Because this stuff is so obviously either illegal and definitely immoral.

00:28:39.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess I would say let's talk about LeBron James a little bit.

00:28:43.000 Obviously, he's very outspoken on a lot of issues.

00:28:47.000 I think says a lot of outrageous things about the country and whatnot. 0.93

00:28:52.000 But he has a long history of kowtowing to China.

00:28:55.000 People are obviously familiar with the case a couple of years ago in the NBA where the Houston Rockets general manager tweeted something out about Hong Kong and LeBron James said, oh, you know, he's speaking out of ignorance.

00:29:08.000 The fact of the matter is LeBron James has been doing this for years.

00:29:12.000 And he does it because in addition to his massive deal with Nike, he has deals in China.

00:29:18.000 He has a line of shoes that are made only for the Chinese elite.

00:29:22.000 These have ancient Chinese symbols on them.

00:29:26.000 They're very coveted by the Chinese elite.

00:29:28.000 Some of the Nike shoes that are released in the United States get released in China first.

00:29:35.000 He has deals with Chinese state media companies for the distribution of his films and other video products in China.

00:29:42.000 So these are very deep ties, and it's been that way for a long time.

00:29:47.000 You might be too young to remember Darfur back in 2007 and 2008.

00:29:54.000 But this was a terrible situation where the regime in South Sudan was slaughtering hundreds of thousands of black Christians in the South.

00:30:02.000 That regime was backed by the Chinese government.

00:30:06.000 And there was a petition drive launched in the NBA to condemn China for supporting this regime, this kind of Arabic regime that was slaughtering Black Christians in the South.

00:30:18.000 A lot of people in the NBA signed it.

00:30:20.000 LeBron James refused to sign the petition.

00:30:24.000 The only other person on the Cleveland Cavaliers that didn't sign it was a guy in the back bench who had a shoe contract with a Chinese company. 1.00

00:30:31.000 So to me, that speaks volumes and it indicates that, you know, in this particular case, certainly to LeBron James, these black lives did not matter. 0.95

00:30:40.000 And I think it really damages his credibility because he's been this way for a long time. 0.97

00:30:47.000 And I don't think it's going to change.

00:30:48.000 The money is more important to him than the positions he claims to stands for.

00:30:53.000 No doubt.

00:30:54.000 What can be done to hold these people to account?

00:30:56.000 Let's just say, let's just take the Bidens.

00:30:57.000 We're getting so many emails, Peter.

00:30:59.000 Hundreds, thousands of emails.

00:31:00.000 Where's the justice?

00:31:01.000 Where's the FBI?

00:31:02.000 Where is this?

00:31:03.000 Is there any hope for justice?

00:31:05.000 Yeah, I think there is.

00:31:07.000 You know, look, I'm not going to give up on this until the American people give up on it.

00:31:11.000 And I kind of have viewed my role and this organization that I run's role to be kind of a Paul Revere for America, certainly not comparing myself to Paul Revere. 0.86

00:31:21.000 But our job is to sort of spread the word and to let people know that in effect, the British are coming. 0.55

00:31:27.000 And now it's up to the American people to gather the Continental Army and fight for it.

00:31:32.000 So one of the things you mentioned earlier, we have to alert our elected officials and tell them we care about this stuff.

00:31:39.000 That's absolutely vital.

00:31:41.000 The second thing I would say is, you know, these companies, these big tech companies, they have shareholder meetings.

00:31:47.000 Buy a couple of shares of stock of Google and go to the shareholder meetings and read some quotes from the book of what these executives say about China and ask them to explain it publicly.

00:31:59.000 I think shame is still a very powerful tool that can be used.

00:32:03.000 And then finally, in the last part of the book, I certainly have some things I recommend our policymakers in Washington should do.

00:32:10.000 Advocate for those, push for those.

00:32:12.000 It can make a difference.

00:32:13.000 And finally, exercise your commercial vote.

00:32:18.000 Don't buy the products of companies that are engaging in these damaging behaviors.

00:32:23.000 And certainly don't buy products from Chinese companies like Huawei that are trying to undermine the United States.

00:32:31.000 Well, you won't compare yourself to Paul Revere, but I will. 0.91

00:32:34.000 You're doing an equivalent moral good to what Paul Revere did, truly, because the Chinese are here.

00:32:39.000 They're not just coming. 1.00

00:32:40.000 They've infiltrated every single part of American society. 0.95

00:32:44.000 We talk about China quite often here on this program. 0.87

00:32:46.000 But just to be able to have a piece of literature, research is what this really is, that goes through in an incredibly thorough manner, citing how every vertical of American culture and finance and business has been corrupted by the Chinese Communist Party. 0.83

00:33:01.000 It is no mistake. 0.89

00:33:03.000 It is a strategy. 0.93

00:33:04.000 It's a military strategy, a lead capture, whatever you want to call it, of what I believe is an enemy of the United States, the Chinese Communist Party, that is one by one trying to pick off people that could potentially stop their rise to global power. 0.91

00:33:17.000 And Peter, you've exposed that, and it's a great moral good and takes a lot of courage. 0.89

00:33:21.000 Thank you.

00:33:21.000 Red-handed by Peter Schweitzer.

00:33:22.000 Peter, thank you so much for joining us for this hour.

00:33:25.000 I enjoyed it.

00:33:25.000 Thanks, Charlie.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 29, 2022

China's 'Elite Capture' with Peter Schweizer

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