The Charlie Kirk Show - August 20, 2023


Christianity and Cluster Bombs: My Conversation with Tucker Carlson at ActCon


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Tucker Carlson sits down with Turning Point USA President Charlie Kirk to discuss the 2020 Democratic primary race and what it really means to be a conservative in 2020. Tucker also talks about his recent trip to Iowa to attend a pro-choice rally.

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00:00:52.000 Here we go.
00:00:54.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:55.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:57.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:01:01.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:01:04.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:01:05.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:01:06.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:14.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:23.000 That's why we are here.
00:01:26.000 So we're here with Tucker Carlson talking about carbohydrates.
00:01:31.000 I was going through a list of my favorites.
00:01:32.000 Yeah, people are going to say, what do you mean, carbohydrates?
00:01:34.000 Tucker, good to see you, man.
00:01:35.000 Thanks for coming.
00:01:36.000 Yeah.
00:01:36.000 Great to see you, Charlie.
00:01:37.000 So where were you?
00:01:38.000 Where were you just?
00:01:39.000 Where was I just?
00:01:40.000 Uh, I was, I was just sitting now with Megan Kelly talking about how men pretending to be women are.
00:01:46.000 No, you were outside greeting all the guys. 0.99
00:01:47.000 Oh, that's, that is, that is true.
00:01:48.000 Yes.
00:01:49.000 In person in the heat in Florida.
00:01:51.000 In a parking garage.
00:01:52.000 Taking responsibility for the, for the mess.
00:01:52.000 Yeah.
00:01:52.000 Yeah.
00:01:54.000 I shook every hand and took selfies with all of them.
00:01:57.000 So no, I, I hate, it's kind of like you.
00:01:59.000 I hate disorder and I hate lines.
00:02:00.000 Lines, lines for me, I think are the worst.
00:02:03.000 And I, we, we try to pursue excellence at turning point and making people wait in a parking garage is totally unacceptable.
00:02:08.000 And so I've, uh, I've gone pretty totalitarian, like fascist dictator the last hour and a half.
00:02:14.000 I mean, they're trying to fix it.
00:02:15.000 Fascism is worthless if the trains don't run on time.
00:02:17.000 Well, all you really get is the perks for the leaders at that point.
00:02:21.000 I totally agree.
00:02:22.000 There's got to be some upside.
00:02:24.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:02:24.000 Like a function, like a clean society would be nice.
00:02:28.000 Great, great summit in Iowa.
00:02:29.000 What's your reflection on all that?
00:02:34.000 I mean, just the, you know, I don't have any especially deep thoughts other than what I've thought for six years now, which is that the disconnect between Republicans in Washington and their voters is like not getting narrower at all.
00:02:47.000 It's really wide.
00:02:49.000 The issues that Republicans in DC care about just don't seem connected to what voters think.
00:02:56.000 And that's never truer than on foreign policy.
00:02:59.000 Their obsession with Ukraine and fighting Russia.
00:03:03.000 I just don't think the average Republican voter, I don't think the average Democratic voter, honestly, has any interest in going to war with Russia, but they're all dead set on it.
00:03:12.000 Did you feel that from the crowd?
00:03:13.000 Did you feel the disconnect in real time?
00:03:15.000 I mean, you interviewed five or six candidates.
00:03:17.000 Oh, absolutely.
00:03:17.000 Yes.
00:03:18.000 Oh, I felt it.
00:03:19.000 And, you know, it's very tempting to play the demagogue in situations like that and, like, what do you think?
00:03:24.000 You know, and I don't want to do that.
00:03:26.000 That's what I would do.
00:03:26.000 Or I do want to do that.
00:03:27.000 I do want to do that, but I stopped myself from doing that.
00:03:29.000 I would have done that in 20 seconds.
00:03:31.000 I can't.
00:03:32.000 But anyway, yes, of course.
00:03:34.000 I mean, there's no appetite among normal people of either party for a war with Russia.
00:03:40.000 There are an awful lot of people who feel sorry for Ukraine.
00:03:42.000 And I'm definitely, you know, in that group and who feel compassion for refugees from war and have normal human and decent human rights.
00:03:49.000 Responses to suffering.
00:03:51.000 But, you know, the Mike Pence's and Nikki Haley's and Joe Biden's and the people pushing this stuff, they're not interested in the suffering of the Ukrainian people.
00:04:01.000 They're using them, of course, and they're dying on their behalf.
00:04:05.000 And I think most voters know that.
00:04:07.000 It's just, and it's enormously frustrating when you see the differential in emphasis.
00:04:14.000 Like, oh, we got to seal our southern border.
00:04:16.000 Really?
00:04:17.000 Well, we actually have a U.S. military for that.
00:04:18.000 No, they're needed in Lithuania.
00:04:20.000 I mean, one of the candidates, I don't want to embarrass anybody, but said to me last night, you know, well, off camera, if he came up after to say, you know, well, we disagree, but, you know, I still like you great, which is, I appreciate. 0.57
00:04:32.000 But, you know, we need to stop Putin here or else we're going to have to stop him somewhere else. 0.54
00:04:36.000 And I'm like, what, in El Paso?
00:04:38.000 Oh, that's already been invaded.
00:04:38.000 Sorry.
00:04:39.000 But, or Nahalis?
00:04:41.000 What are you talking about?
00:04:42.000 Exactly.
00:04:42.000 And he said, well, they could roll into Lithuania, for example, and they're a NATO ally and we'd be obligated to defend them.
00:04:48.000 And I was like, well, let's break that obligation.
00:04:49.000 How's that sound?
00:04:50.000 Because I've got kids and I don't want them to die for Lithuania.
00:04:53.000 And I don't think any other American wants them.
00:04:55.000 That maybe Bill Kristol, but no normal person wants that.
00:04:58.000 And like, we should just exit NATO.
00:05:01.000 If the cost of being in NATO, I have no idea what the upside is, I don't see any, but if the cost is fighting for the sovereignty of Lithuania, like that's insane, it's just not worth it.
00:05:12.000 And why don't you tell me how it is worth it?
00:05:14.000 Well, it's worth it because we have an agreement, really.
00:05:18.000 Well, let's exit the agreement.
00:05:19.000 Like, I don't, I don't understand.
00:05:20.000 Are we a slave to some treaty signed 50 years ago? 0.91
00:05:23.000 Like, what are you even talking about, you nutcase, or a slave to an ideology?
00:05:26.000 And that's what. 0.98
00:05:27.000 I can't quite figure it out.
00:05:28.000 So, what you've pinpointed was the confusion I had watching the summit, which was typically politicians are accused of saying to the audience what they want to hear just to get political power.
00:05:37.000 Yes.
00:05:38.000 They're not doing that.
00:05:39.000 No, it's such a smart point.
00:05:41.000 They're actually not pandering, but they are pandering to their donors.
00:05:45.000 To their donors.
00:05:46.000 And I actually talked to one of the candidates who I know fairly well, who I think a lot of.
00:05:50.000 I'm not going to embarrass him by saying his name, Vivek Ramaswamy, but he confirmed what I knew, which is he's lost a lot.
00:05:58.000 Of support, you know, he comes out of biotech and finance, so he knows he was a darling of the billionaire class, 100%.
00:06:02.000 The anti woke almost in the billionaire.
00:06:04.000 Here's an Indian guy who talks really fast.
00:06:06.000 We love him exactly.
00:06:07.000 How couldn't you not love him?
00:06:09.000 But he told me point blank, you know, I haven't raised a ton of money because the people who supported me initially found out that I was opposed to the Ukraine thing, not because I hate Ukraine or I'm pro Putin, he's not, but because it doesn't serve American interests.
00:06:21.000 And they're like, oh, well, we're out.
00:06:23.000 And he made such a smart point, he said, I don't, they're not taking money from Raytheon, there's no VIG here, they're not getting rich from supporting the war in Ukraine, they really believe it.
00:06:31.000 It's, it is a cult.
00:06:32.000 They've been captured by it. 0.80
00:06:34.000 And as he pointed out, he's not a Christian, he's a Hindu, but he makes a point that I, as a Christian, agree with completely, which is there's a vacuum at the center where meaning should be. 1.00
00:06:42.000 And in that place flow in all these insane ideologies from the race craziness and the trans thing, tranny stuff. 0.98
00:06:52.000 And like every bad idea fills that void, including Ukraine. 1.00
00:06:57.000 So the other part about the neoliberal project invade the world, invite the world.
00:07:02.000 Is that it?
00:07:03.000 If you disagree, it's unbelievably totalitarian in their response.
00:07:08.000 In the name of democracy, it's like to preserve a free society.
00:07:12.000 Right.
00:07:13.000 We're going to imprison some priests.
00:07:16.000 I said to Pence, I was like, all right, you know, first of all, I'm not that interested in what happens inside Ukraine because I'm not Ukrainian or Russia, for example. 0.92
00:07:24.000 I'm not saying Russia's a better society than Ukraine, though I'm totally open to that possibility. 0.56
00:07:28.000 I just don't know the answer. 0.99
00:07:29.000 It certainly could be. 1.00
00:07:30.000 Ukraine's pretty awful. 1.00
00:07:32.000 What I object to is, The lying around it.
00:07:35.000 We're doing this because we believe in freedom.
00:07:38.000 Well, okay, the people we're funding are putting priests and nuns in jail, raiding convents. 0.83
00:07:42.000 But he said it wasn't true because he talked to some shill on payroll of Zelensky. 0.99
00:07:46.000 He's lying, and he knows it's true. 1.00
00:07:48.000 Of course, it is true.
00:07:49.000 And if you pulled a little more, he was like, well, actually, they're saying bad things.
00:07:53.000 They've got the wrong opinions.
00:07:54.000 It's like, all right.
00:07:55.000 But you're allowed in a free society to have the wrong opinions. 0.82
00:07:59.000 And by the way, I would say this if they were rabbis or imams.
00:08:02.000 Like, if you support religious freedom, you can't put clerics in jail for having different views.
00:08:07.000 Like, period.
00:08:08.000 And by the way, especially if you're a Christian leader, I mean, come on, Mike Pence.
00:08:11.000 I think Pence says he's a sincere Christian and I believe him.
00:08:14.000 But like, these are Christian leaders being imprisoned by the government and you're on the government side.
00:08:20.000 I mean, it's just like, wake up. 0.95
00:08:23.000 And by the way, if you're a Christian leader and you're, you know, what we really need is more cluster bombs. 0.98
00:08:27.000 I sort of missed that part of Matthew, the cluster bomb part. 1.00
00:08:30.000 Yeah, to turn the other cheek and send them cluster bombs. 0.82
00:08:32.000 Listen to yourself.
00:08:33.000 I've gotten in arguments with people I love.
00:08:36.000 And I remember one in particular where the person said, you know, listen to yourself.
00:08:39.000 Like if there's a videotape of this, you'd be ashamed of what you're saying.
00:08:42.000 And I really shocked.
00:08:43.000 I was like, you're absolutely right. 1.00
00:08:45.000 I'm behaving like a total jerk. 1.00
00:08:46.000 And I thought that yesterday, Mike Pence, in the name of Christianity, more cluster bombs. 1.00
00:08:51.000 Okay. 0.83
00:08:52.000 Hear yourself.
00:08:53.000 Blessed are the peacemakers and those who send cluster bombs.
00:08:55.000 Of course.
00:08:56.000 Exactly.
00:08:57.000 That's the annotation in the original Aramaic.
00:08:59.000 So, you're hitting on something that they're captured by their donors, but I think they're also just captured just by high society opinion.
00:09:06.000 Of course.
00:09:07.000 Which is what is their backstop if they don't become president, which is almost certainly what they want.
00:09:11.000 You were with them behind the scenes and in public.
00:09:11.000 So, then why are they running?
00:09:14.000 They're not pandering to voters.
00:09:16.000 This is a question I get a lot because, I mean, let's just be honest.
00:09:19.000 Mike Pence is not probably going to be the Republican nominee under any circumstances.
00:09:22.000 So, then why are they running?
00:09:23.000 Is it vanity, ego, pride, revenge?
00:09:25.000 And I don't think, by the way, I don't think Pence is like the worst person.
00:09:28.000 No, I'm not saying that.
00:09:29.000 And so I felt, you know, and I. Woke up early yesterday and I said to myself, You're going to be in a room full of neocons.
00:09:34.000 Be polite.
00:09:35.000 You know, I am triggered by it.
00:09:36.000 I'll admit it.
00:09:37.000 That's my weakness.
00:09:37.000 I'm very offended by the program, which I once supported, because it's just, it really hasn't borne fruit for America at all.
00:09:44.000 It's hurt the country.
00:09:45.000 So I'm mad about it.
00:09:47.000 And I tried not to get mad, but that, like, turning to the crowd and saying, They don't have enough tanks in Ukraine.
00:09:54.000 Prepare yourself, ladies and gentlemen.
00:09:56.000 The Ukrainians don't have enough American tanks. 0.73
00:09:58.000 When he said that, I could just feel my self control just evaporated and I snapped to them and I'm sorry that I did. 1.00
00:10:03.000 No, no, it was right.
00:10:04.000 But Tucker, it should give you hope.
00:10:05.000 They booed him and they weren't buying what he was selling.
00:10:07.000 Of course not.
00:10:08.000 No normal person could.
00:10:09.000 The GOP 10 years ago would have been like, yes, war with Ukraine.
00:10:09.000 Hold on.
00:10:12.000 And while we're at it, let's colonize Sierra Leone.
00:10:14.000 Like that was the.
00:10:16.000 Holy.
00:10:17.000 That was the neoliberal orthodoxy.
00:10:19.000 But something has changed.
00:10:20.000 Trump helped change it.
00:10:21.000 I think you helped change it on television for five years.
00:10:23.000 You moved, at least in my opinion, did it for me.
00:10:25.000 You moved the Overton window in the zeitgeist.
00:10:28.000 You sense that from the voters?
00:10:29.000 It's.
00:10:30.000 I would say this is not false modesty.
00:10:32.000 It is the easiest argument to make because it's just so obvious.
00:10:36.000 It's like one of so many things.
00:10:37.000 I mean, It's like, why do I have a moral obligation to take your COVID vax?
00:10:43.000 Why is that?
00:10:43.000 That was Asa Hutchinson.
00:10:44.000 Yeah.
00:10:44.000 Why is Russia my enemy?
00:10:45.000 I mean, maybe it is, but like, tell me how.
00:10:48.000 How many Americans, how many of my friends have been killed by Russia?
00:10:50.000 Zero.
00:10:52.000 How many people do I know who've died from fentanyl that came from Mexico?
00:10:54.000 Well, in my case, two.
00:10:56.000 In Maine, there's a lot.
00:10:57.000 Yeah.
00:10:57.000 Well, these people weren't even in Maine.
00:10:59.000 Both of them are sort of upper income, but whatever.
00:11:00.000 I mean, everyone knows someone.
00:11:02.000 And so who's my enemy?
00:11:04.000 The country that's killed two people I know or the country that's killed nobody?
00:11:08.000 I mean, I don't know.
00:11:09.000 Like, think for yourself, okay?
00:11:11.000 That's what I just, and I think what you do start to think for yourself, reach your own conclusions.
00:11:16.000 That's the promise of America.
00:11:17.000 I'm a free man, I can reach my own conclusions.
00:11:20.000 These are not hard places to reach.
00:11:23.000 Like, it's, and again, it's not about taking sides in the war, Ukraine versus Russia.
00:11:28.000 It's like, what are we getting out of this?
00:11:29.000 How will we know when we've won?
00:11:30.000 What's the point of it?
00:11:32.000 If you can't answer three simple questions, then you're not really making an argument, are you? 0.95
00:11:36.000 You're just beating me over the head with epithets Putin lover, traitor, until I submit.
00:11:42.000 And as long as we don't participate in that ritual, it's like you can call me whatever you want, but I'm a free man and I'm not gonna be intimidated. 0.88
00:11:49.000 Like, that's all it takes to make them go away.
00:11:51.000 Okay, now you've called me a racist, you call me a Putin lover, a transfer, whatever, call me whatever you want.
00:11:56.000 I know who I am and so does God.
00:11:57.000 So I don't care what you say.
00:11:59.000 At that point, like, they don't have an argument. 1.00
00:12:01.000 So it's like, okay, shut up, racist, Putin lover. 1.00
00:12:05.000 All right, you know, I don't care. 0.99
00:12:07.000 Like, you really, like, David Frum doesn't like me?
00:12:10.000 I'm going to be hard to sleep.
00:12:10.000 Ugh.
00:12:13.000 Don't tell my wife.
00:12:15.000 Like, what?
00:12:18.000 And Billy Crystal.
00:12:19.000 So, the type of person, though, that, like, the most aggressive neoconservatives, I'm not saying there was necessarily one of these people on stage, they have really messed up personal lives.
00:12:27.000 Do you find that that is true in the sense of their, I mean, I just think of a certain senator from a certain state, but I'm not going to say, you know.
00:12:34.000 Well, it all flows outward, doesn't it?
00:12:36.000 But there's a cope, it feels as if, as if, like, I have to recreate some other border while our own is invaded.
00:12:36.000 I mean.
00:12:42.000 And I love a man in uniform.
00:12:43.000 For sure.
00:12:44.000 No, I mean, yeah, there's, look, there's a psychosexual explanation for a lot of things. 0.77
00:12:48.000 And I think there's a lot of truth in all of that. 0.53
00:12:52.000 What?
00:12:53.000 No, I totally agree.
00:12:53.000 They're laughing because it's true.
00:12:54.000 Oh, sorry, sorry.
00:12:55.000 No, I'm sorry.
00:12:56.000 Yeah, no, I totally agree.
00:12:57.000 A laugh response to a human being is a recognition of a deep, deep truth.
00:12:59.000 There's something truth.
00:13:01.000 Like if you're kind of a, look, here's how I think in very simple terms.
00:13:05.000 If you have a happy life, happiness is not a mystery to you.
00:13:09.000 I mean, just balance.
00:13:11.000 No one has a perfect life and there are always problems.
00:13:13.000 But if you're like, Kind of happy sitting in your living room with your wife and dogs, then you have a clear sight picture of what happiness looks like.
00:13:19.000 And when you're trying to help other people, you see that as the goal.
00:13:23.000 And it's peaceful and orderly and calm and stable.
00:13:27.000 It's like pretty much the same tomorrow as it was today.
00:13:29.000 Like you're extrapolating forward from your own life.
00:13:34.000 But if there's nothing at the center of your life, if you live your life online, if you don't really have real relationships with anybody, you've got a really distorted view of what the future should look like.
00:13:43.000 I mean, I do think.
00:13:45.000 It's that simple.
00:13:47.000 But I will say, I'm totally fixated on this.
00:13:49.000 And I thought this last night. 1.00
00:13:50.000 It's like, I'm probably in the top 10 worst Christians you ever met. 1.00
00:13:55.000 So why is it? 0.99
00:13:56.000 And I'm literally like a talk show host.
00:13:58.000 So why does the plight of priests and nuns in Ukraine fall to me to point out?
00:14:03.000 So I said that last night.
00:14:04.000 It depends on this completely reasonable question.
00:14:05.000 You're an advocate for religious liberty, you're a Christian leader, self described.
00:14:10.000 They are putting priests and nuns in jail in Ukraine, and you support it.
00:14:13.000 How do you square that?
00:14:15.000 National Review wrote a piece immediately accusing me of bigotry.
00:14:18.000 That was one of the sickest.
00:14:19.000 Things are unbelievable.
00:14:21.000 Rich Lowry.
00:14:22.000 I don't really care what National Review says, of course.
00:14:25.000 I don't think anyone reads it, and I don't, but someone sent it to me.
00:14:28.000 But I was thinking to myself, again, listen to yourself.
00:14:33.000 You're attacking me for pointing it out?
00:14:36.000 Well, now you're on to something I want to mention, which is the crime of noticing.
00:14:39.000 And you mentioned this with Bobby Kennedy, right?
00:14:41.000 And you got me thinking very deeply about that is the thing you're not allowed to do, which is notice the obvious.
00:14:48.000 No, no pattern recognition.
00:14:50.000 No pattern recognition of urban crime or As you say, public filthiness or adverse events to a vaccine or a public, you know, open border.
00:14:59.000 Well, you, I mean, not only no noticing, you know, punish the people who do.
00:15:04.000 What's crazy is we're so sensitive about people's physical and psychological infirmities.
00:15:10.000 I've got PTSD or I've got, you know, whatever, all these syndromes, ADHD, which means you have trouble paying attention sometimes.
00:15:19.000 Like, yeah, that happens to me every night when I write my script.
00:15:22.000 Anyway, but we're very, very sensitive about these things.
00:15:25.000 But then you've got someone who's like, well, actually, I took the vax you made me take and I can't walk.
00:15:30.000 Like, it killed my uncle. 0.95
00:15:32.000 They say you're a QAnon. 1.00
00:15:33.000 Shut up! 1.00
00:15:34.000 Shut up! 1.00
00:15:35.000 No talking! 0.99
00:15:36.000 Well, so the vaccine thing is interesting because I think people know that if all of a sudden there's a real discussion on vaccines, it's what I call a limiting belief.
00:15:45.000 What else might not be true?
00:15:46.000 Well, exactly.
00:15:47.000 Exactly.
00:15:48.000 Well, that is true of so many things.
00:15:49.000 Ukraine is one of those things, too.
00:15:50.000 Ukraine, but all this stuff.
00:15:52.000 It's like.
00:15:52.000 Vaccines are the big one, though, because that one really has been.
00:15:55.000 For sure.
00:15:55.000 And that was like 20 minutes ago, and everybody's implicated in it.
00:15:58.000 But all Christian leaders who conspired with the government to convince their churches to take this stuff, people like Asa Hutchinson, the governor's Republican and Democrat, who got up there and did like public service announcements, vax propaganda.
00:16:11.000 When they had no idea what its long term effects would be and they haven't apologized? 0.85
00:16:14.000 Kicking people out of the military.
00:16:15.000 It's unbelievable, but nobody's apologized. 0.92
00:16:17.000 That's what blows my mind.
00:16:19.000 I've made a ton of mistakes, probably haven't apologized for all of them, but the ones I haven't apologized for are the ones I don't remember because I think it's absolutely essential, not simply to your relations with other people, but to how you feel about yourself, to have enough dignity, to have enough self respect to acknowledge when you're wrong.
00:16:33.000 Like that's the root of your moral power.
00:16:36.000 And not one person has gotten up and said, you know, I told the people of Connecticut, Arkansas, Delaware, pick the state to take the vax.
00:16:45.000 And, like, some small but meaningful percentage of them were gravely injured by it.
00:16:49.000 They didn't need it.
00:16:50.000 They followed my instructions and it really hurt them.
00:16:52.000 In some cases, it killed them.
00:16:54.000 And that weighs on me.
00:16:55.000 If some person would do that, I don't care if it's a Democrat, Republican, socialist, I don't care.
00:17:01.000 I would revere that person for his honesty.
00:17:03.000 But not one person has done that.
00:17:05.000 That's against one of the 10 commandments of the American ruling class, though.
00:17:07.000 Like, thou shalt never repent for the mistakes.
00:17:10.000 When was the last time a bureaucrat, billionaire, anyone would acknowledge responsibility or take responsibility?
00:17:16.000 Well, how about the Iraq War?
00:17:18.000 I mean, you can just go through the.
00:17:20.000 Yeah.
00:17:21.000 Yeah.
00:17:21.000 No one in the Bush administration ever acknowledged that, like, maybe we should have seen 9 11 coming.
00:17:25.000 It's like no one apologizes for the meaningful things.
00:17:28.000 But why?
00:17:28.000 Why?
00:17:28.000 What they do is they apologize for their ancestors' behavior.
00:17:32.000 I'm really sorry about the riot in Oklahoma in 1922.
00:17:35.000 I'm really sorry about taking your land, some Indian tribe whose name I don't remember.
00:17:38.000 You know, it's like they apologize on behalf of other people. 0.77
00:17:40.000 We're going to apologize for slavery.
00:17:42.000 Let it end in 1865.
00:17:43.000 How many culpable parties are still alive?
00:17:45.000 Let me check zero.
00:17:46.000 So now it's safe to apologize because nobody needs to pay the price for that.
00:17:50.000 But how about the mistakes in the last 20 years in America?
00:17:52.000 Like big history changing mistakes.
00:17:54.000 And the people who made them are not only still around, they've ascended in the hierarchy. 0.96
00:17:59.000 And so, like, the lady running our Ukraine policy at the State Department was one of the driving forces behind the Iraq War.
00:18:08.000 Like, how did that happen? 0.53
00:18:09.000 Another guy who ran the Iraq War wound up running the World Bank.
00:18:12.000 I'm not saying they should be in prison.
00:18:14.000 I mean, I feel that way.
00:18:16.000 But I think we should be very hesitant to send people to prison.
00:18:18.000 But we certainly shouldn't give them.
00:18:20.000 Raises and better jobs.
00:18:22.000 Like that is truly nuts.
00:18:24.000 And that tells you that the system itself is broken in a way that's dangerous.
00:18:29.000 And the people who refuse to acknowledge responsibility of any sort of humility, which is a virtue that nobody has in DC at all.
00:18:38.000 I mean, it's to be able to acknowledge that.
00:18:41.000 Humility empowers you.
00:18:43.000 It's also, that's the sad thing, they miss when you say, I'm sorry or I was wrong.
00:18:48.000 Makes you happier too.
00:18:49.000 100%.
00:18:50.000 When you say, When you tell the truth about yourself, you know, to the extent you can see it, it's kind of hard to see ourselves and like we're not always accurate in the way we understand ourselves.
00:18:58.000 But to the extent that you can to say, this is who I really am, once you stop lying, you're filled with this weird supernatural power.
00:19:06.000 That is totally true.
00:19:08.000 And they should try that because you're not hiding all the time. 0.74
00:19:11.000 Oh man, I hope they never find out I'm an alcoholic or secretly gay or was behind the Iraq war. 0.86
00:19:17.000 It's like everyone already knows. 0.96
00:19:19.000 Just say it out loud.
00:19:20.000 Like the people who love you will love you anyway.
00:19:21.000 It's not.
00:19:22.000 Do you know what I mean?
00:19:23.000 Yes.
00:19:23.000 And they're so afraid.
00:19:25.000 That's what I see when I see someone like Tony Blinken, the Secretary of State.
00:19:30.000 Obviously, he's not up to the job.
00:19:31.000 He's not intellectually qualified to be Secretary of State.
00:19:35.000 He's probably not an evil person, and I'm not saying he is, but when I look at him, I'm like, that guy's terrified.
00:19:39.000 You know, you hear the term imposter syndrome?
00:19:42.000 That guy's living it. 0.98
00:19:43.000 And so are all of these other people.
00:19:45.000 They're super small people with no record of achievement of any kind that ever built anything.
00:19:50.000 And all of a sudden, they're running the world and they're scared out of their minds that someone will reveal how small they are.
00:19:57.000 Yes. 0.58
00:19:57.000 And I feel like if they would just admit it and be like, man, I can't believe we did that in Iraq, or I'm sorry we tanked the US dollar. 0.58
00:20:03.000 Do you know what I mean?
00:20:04.000 I'm sorry we.
00:20:05.000 Printed all this extra currency for the benefit of the finances.
00:20:07.000 Sorry, all these kids are killing themselves, right?
00:20:10.000 Just say that.
00:20:11.000 And then people would look at them and be like, oh, wow, for the first time, I believe you.
00:20:15.000 But then what is in their psychology?
00:20:16.000 Where does it come from?
00:20:17.000 What do we know about the type of person that refuses to apologize, only goes forward with, as you say, hyper aggression?
00:20:22.000 Well, they don't because they don't believe in God.
00:20:24.000 So they don't think there's the possibility of forgiveness.
00:20:26.000 It's a zero sum game to them, right?
00:20:29.000 So, like the person who admits weakness is immediately killed.
00:20:33.000 There's no possibility of forgiveness in a God free world, period.
00:20:39.000 And that's what it is.
00:20:40.000 That's where their fear comes from.
00:20:41.000 Whereas the people who think they're forgiven or think they could be forgiven or see things on a grander, you know, on a cosmic scale, they're like, you know, I screwed up like people do.
00:20:51.000 The greatest people screwed up.
00:20:54.000 I was watching the other day.
00:20:55.000 I'm actually not a huge Martin Luther King fan or whatever, super flawed guy.
00:21:00.000 But I was watching the last, the audio, I was listening to the audio of the last speech that he gave the night before he was killed, April 3rd, 1968.
00:21:08.000 He was killed the next afternoon.
00:21:10.000 And he gave this speech, and he had just been like cheating with a bunch of different women.
00:21:13.000 Okay.
00:21:14.000 Yeah, he had a tendency to cheat.
00:21:15.000 Oh my gosh. 0.99
00:21:16.000 No, he was like a ridiculous sexually out of control. 1.00
00:21:18.000 But he gave this speech in which he clearly predicted his own death. 0.99
00:21:22.000 Like, there's no doubt if you listen to this that God is speaking through Martin Luther King.
00:21:27.000 And again, I don't like Martin Luther King's program, I don't like his behavior.
00:21:30.000 There's a lot of, you know, worshiping Martin Luther King is absurd to me.
00:21:34.000 But I gotta say, if you listen to that speech, God is speaking through Martin Luther King.
00:21:38.000 There's no other explanation for that.
00:21:41.000 And you're like, well, that's kind of consistent with what we know.
00:21:44.000 We're all flawed.
00:21:46.000 The people in charge tend to be more flawed, but it doesn't mean that they're not capable of greatness.
00:21:52.000 So let's just be honest about it.
00:21:54.000 The second you have to feel the need to pretend that you're perfect, you become a liar and you become paradoxically even less perfect, in my opinion.
00:22:05.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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