00:00:00.000Hey, everybody, happy Sunday with the breaking news that Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump are going to be conversing instead of Donald Trump debating.
00:00:07.000We thought it was time for us to air our exclusive conversation.
00:00:10.000Well, part of our conversation with Tucker Carlson.
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00:02:34.000I mean, just the, you know, I don't have any especially deep thoughts other than what I've thought for six years now, which is that the disconnect between Republicans in Washington and their voters is like not getting narrower at all.
00:02:49.000The issues that Republicans in DC care about just don't seem connected to what voters think.
00:02:56.000And that's never truer than on foreign policy.
00:02:59.000Their obsession with Ukraine and fighting Russia.
00:03:03.000I just don't think the average Republican voter, I don't think the average Democratic voter, honestly, has any interest in going to war with Russia, but they're all dead set on it.
00:03:51.000But, you know, the Mike Pence's and Nikki Haley's and Joe Biden's and the people pushing this stuff, they're not interested in the suffering of the Ukrainian people.
00:04:01.000They're using them, of course, and they're dying on their behalf.
00:04:20.000I mean, one of the candidates, I don't want to embarrass anybody, but said to me last night, you know, well, off camera, if he came up after to say, you know, well, we disagree, but, you know, I still like you great, which is, I appreciate.
00:04:32.000But, you know, we need to stop Putin here or else we're going to have to stop him somewhere else.
00:05:01.000If the cost of being in NATO, I have no idea what the upside is, I don't see any, but if the cost is fighting for the sovereignty of Lithuania, like that's insane, it's just not worth it.
00:05:12.000And why don't you tell me how it is worth it?
00:05:14.000Well, it's worth it because we have an agreement, really.
00:05:28.000So, what you've pinpointed was the confusion I had watching the summit, which was typically politicians are accused of saying to the audience what they want to hear just to get political power.
00:06:09.000But he told me point blank, you know, I haven't raised a ton of money because the people who supported me initially found out that I was opposed to the Ukraine thing, not because I hate Ukraine or I'm pro Putin, he's not, but because it doesn't serve American interests.
00:06:23.000And he made such a smart point, he said, I don't, they're not taking money from Raytheon, there's no VIG here, they're not getting rich from supporting the war in Ukraine, they really believe it.
00:06:34.000And as he pointed out, he's not a Christian, he's a Hindu, but he makes a point that I, as a Christian, agree with completely, which is there's a vacuum at the center where meaning should be.
00:06:42.000And in that place flow in all these insane ideologies from the race craziness and the trans thing, tranny stuff.
00:06:52.000And like every bad idea fills that void, including Ukraine.
00:06:57.000So the other part about the neoliberal project invade the world, invite the world.
00:07:16.000I said to Pence, I was like, all right, you know, first of all, I'm not that interested in what happens inside Ukraine because I'm not Ukrainian or Russia, for example.
00:07:24.000I'm not saying Russia's a better society than Ukraine, though I'm totally open to that possibility.
00:08:57.000That's the annotation in the original Aramaic.
00:08:59.000So, you're hitting on something that they're captured by their donors, but I think they're also just captured just by high society opinion.
00:11:32.000If you can't answer three simple questions, then you're not really making an argument, are you?
00:11:36.000You're just beating me over the head with epithets Putin lover, traitor, until I submit.
00:11:42.000And as long as we don't participate in that ritual, it's like you can call me whatever you want, but I'm a free man and I'm not gonna be intimidated.
00:11:49.000Like, that's all it takes to make them go away.
00:11:51.000Okay, now you've called me a racist, you call me a Putin lover, a transfer, whatever, call me whatever you want.
00:12:19.000So, the type of person, though, that, like, the most aggressive neoconservatives, I'm not saying there was necessarily one of these people on stage, they have really messed up personal lives.
00:12:27.000Do you find that that is true in the sense of their, I mean, I just think of a certain senator from a certain state, but I'm not going to say, you know.
00:12:34.000Well, it all flows outward, doesn't it?
00:12:36.000But there's a cope, it feels as if, as if, like, I have to recreate some other border while our own is invaded.
00:13:11.000No one has a perfect life and there are always problems.
00:13:13.000But if you're like, Kind of happy sitting in your living room with your wife and dogs, then you have a clear sight picture of what happiness looks like.
00:13:19.000And when you're trying to help other people, you see that as the goal.
00:13:23.000And it's peaceful and orderly and calm and stable.
00:13:27.000It's like pretty much the same tomorrow as it was today.
00:13:29.000Like you're extrapolating forward from your own life.
00:13:34.000But if there's nothing at the center of your life, if you live your life online, if you don't really have real relationships with anybody, you've got a really distorted view of what the future should look like.
00:15:36.000Well, so the vaccine thing is interesting because I think people know that if all of a sudden there's a real discussion on vaccines, it's what I call a limiting belief.
00:15:55.000And that was like 20 minutes ago, and everybody's implicated in it.
00:15:58.000But all Christian leaders who conspired with the government to convince their churches to take this stuff, people like Asa Hutchinson, the governor's Republican and Democrat, who got up there and did like public service announcements, vax propaganda.
00:16:11.000When they had no idea what its long term effects would be and they haven't apologized?
00:16:19.000I've made a ton of mistakes, probably haven't apologized for all of them, but the ones I haven't apologized for are the ones I don't remember because I think it's absolutely essential, not simply to your relations with other people, but to how you feel about yourself, to have enough dignity, to have enough self respect to acknowledge when you're wrong.
00:16:33.000Like that's the root of your moral power.
00:16:36.000And not one person has gotten up and said, you know, I told the people of Connecticut, Arkansas, Delaware, pick the state to take the vax.
00:16:45.000And, like, some small but meaningful percentage of them were gravely injured by it.
00:18:50.000When you say, When you tell the truth about yourself, you know, to the extent you can see it, it's kind of hard to see ourselves and like we're not always accurate in the way we understand ourselves.
00:18:58.000But to the extent that you can to say, this is who I really am, once you stop lying, you're filled with this weird supernatural power.
00:20:41.000Whereas the people who think they're forgiven or think they could be forgiven or see things on a grander, you know, on a cosmic scale, they're like, you know, I screwed up like people do.
00:20:55.000I'm actually not a huge Martin Luther King fan or whatever, super flawed guy.
00:21:00.000But I was watching the last, the audio, I was listening to the audio of the last speech that he gave the night before he was killed, April 3rd, 1968.
00:21:54.000The second you have to feel the need to pretend that you're perfect, you become a liar and you become paradoxically even less perfect, in my opinion.
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